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Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) will sign the bill curbing union rights into law Friday afternoon.
Under Ohio law, the law goes into effect 90 days after being signed.
During that 90 days, Ohio unions plan to file language for a ballot referendum repealing the law with the Ohio Secretary of State and will try to collect the required 231,000 signatures from at least half of Ohio's 88 counties.
If they succeed, the law would not take effect, pending a statewide referendum on the November ballot.
It would undoubtedly be a huge political campaign, the main battlefront for the issue.
*** UPDATE *** Kasich will actually sign the bill tonight at 7:00 pm ET.
Wisconsin: Law put on hold
AP reports: “A Wisconsin judge ruled Thursday the state's divisive new collective bargaining law had not taken effect, and officials in Republican Gov. Scott Walker's administration say he plans to comply with the ruling and to halt preparations to begin deducting money from public workers' paychecks. … Two Walker administration officials who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because the governor hadn't publicly announced his plans said he would announce later Thursday that he would comply with [the judge’s] ruling.”
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Mr. Yang - it sure would have been helpful for you to have advised us just how many public union employees this effect in Ohio.
I know it's asking a lot, but it'd have taken you what, like an extra minute or two?
Or how about how much this law will save in the coming years, and what Ohio's current deficit is.
Governments are not businesses Spanky. So stop with all the blabbering about how they should be run like one.
There are 360,000 public union employees in Ohio.
devie - is NBC a business? Does it expect it's reporters to put forth product that is good?
When you read articles do you like it when they provide a complete picture of the subject?
But, just for fun, how should governments run? Do you think it is important for state governments not to run large deficits?
If they don't make these cuts, what cuts should they make?
Spanky,
Do you mean like Kasich did in Ohio by filling the budget deficit by selling bonds which, in effect defers the shortfall for several years? We are still in debt but the current two year budget is balanced.
Spanky
your talking about savings and deficit.......hey, take these steps.
1 reverse the tax cut for the top 2%
2 close all corporate tax loopholes
are you on board?
"There are 360,000 public union employees in Ohio."
So the good Governor of Ohio wants 360,000 public union employee's to take a hair cut to help balance the budget, not to mention giving up their collective bargaining rights so that future hair cuts can be handed out indiscriminately without valid cause. Why is it that all of the austerity measures that Republicans come up with exclude businesses and the wealthy? Far be it from me to accuse the Republicans of being the party of the rich and haters of the middle and working class but they always seem to require no participation from the wealthy in any austerity measures, ever. Probably just an oversight on the good Republicans part.
Unfortunately bonds seem to be the politicians default these days. California has issued billions, if not by now trillions of dollars in bonds.
Sounds like Ohio needs some more deficit reduction in the current fiscal year. So what gets cuts now Dennis, or should they jack your income taxes?
Two year ago we were told we need to "temporarily raise taxes. They did, but guess what? Those temporary taxes hikes not only did not reduce the deficit [they just spent more] but they are not temporary.
Good luck Dennis, you are going to need it.
Why shouldn't they? I work in the private sector for a (non-union) mining company and A year ago my company announced that there were no raises to be had (company wide - including exec's) in order to keep our mines working. We all took it on the chin due to a bad economy and to help keep our fellow employees working.
Why should public sector employees be any different.
(BTW... I would bet that if we WERE a union shop, many of those miners would have been laid-off because the union would rather lay off some guys in order to make sure others got a raise.)
SickOfTheBickering
Pius - them are Obama's "tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%." He's a smart guy, so I'm with him.
As for the corporate taxes rates: 1. corporations will just pass any increased costs through - to us, and stuff is already too damned expensive, and inflation has already started; and 2. Obama seems to be totally cool with corporations [or at least some] not paying any taxes. See, Immelt/GE.
So again Obama is a smart guy. I'm looking at what he is DOING, not saying, and he is saying "taxes are bad."
But tell you what you get Obama on board with you, then I'll reconsider.
In Wisconsin, for starters, it would make a nice good will gesture to cut those $140 million in new tax breaks that Walker and the republicans passed in January, at the same time they were saying we were flat broke.
After that, there would be plenty of other things to look at, if we really wanted to.
I don't know what you are talking about... but as I stated EVERYONE at my company (including executives) went without a pay raise last year. NOW... even if you consider miners to be among the rich, what the hell are you talking about? WE ALL WENT WITH NO RAISE... BUT WE ALL KEPT WORKING!
Man... some people just don't get it. It's ALWAYS some GRAND CONSIRACY by the rich or big business. GROW UP AND QUIT WHINING for CHRIST SAKE!
MAN!
SickOfTheBickering proclaims: "Man... some people just don't get it. It's ALWAYS some GRAND CONSIRACY by the rich or big business."
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Plutocracy not Democracy my friend, it's real.
dennis - doesn't bond sales fall into the realm of revenue? You know, help us out today and we will repay you with interest latter since our rough patch will be over.
Devie - it wouldn't be a bad deal for government to act and run more like a business, after all look at all the tax money business creates for the government. Government could learn a thing or too from business. Looks like that is what obama has in mind by embracing the republican concept of business being our friends.
american – I thought all Republicans hated deficits, debt and using accounting tricks to balance budgets.
This will affect all workers in Ohio, not just the 360,000 union memebers immediately affected. Anybody that works for a living, (whether they think they are pro union or not) should be very interested in defeating this at the ballot box.
This Ohio election in November will define 2012. I wonder if the referandum will pass. If it does then it is all over for all Republicans in 2012 except those in the deep south and midwest. If it doesn't it will shock lots of people and who knows what happens to congress for 2012.
Alos after November 2011 election in Ohio, comes Scott Walker's recall. If Wisconsin is effective with that then guess what. . .
Dennis - maybe I am not a republican or tea party..
Conservative yes, one capable of thinking, yes, been known to vote split ticket, yes. Agreeable to everyone? negatory but I will listen and verify points (if not outlandish).
it seems that the republicans idea is to cut the wages of the lowest wage earners wages and give to the wealthy 2 percent and to big corperations give big tax breaks .
hell will freeze over before I would vote for a republican and longer than that before I would vote for a teabagger . there is not a good congressman or congresswoman of the teabaggers or GOP in congress . they all are liars .
Thanks for giving Dems Ohio come 2012 election.
DAYUM!
And here I was so looking forward to seeing if prison 'orange' was a good color for the cross-eyed weasel! lol
Pius Emeka Nebo
Thanks for giving Dems Ohio come 2012 election.
Yeah, right then John Kasich can go back over to FOX NOISE where he came from and write all the bullcrap he likes!!!
In Maine, Tea Party Governor LePage told a TV reporter that people who objected to his removing a three year old, $60,000 mural from the lobby of the state's Labor Dept were "idiots."Mind you, he is only removing this piece of art to make some kind of point about Maine needing to be "pro-business."
All he is is accomplishing, however, is ginning up the Democratics, losing the support of working Mainers, and embarrassing the moderate Republicans. Maine will go deep blue in 2012.
Amy B. Portland, ME
In Maine, Tea Party Governor LePage told a TV reporter that people who objected to his removing a three year old, $60,000 mural from the lobby of the state's Labor Dept were "idiots
I'm not surpised Amy. T-baggers will do anything, ANYTHING to turn back the clocks of time; including smears. Smearing, denying facts, and lying is their expertise.
"Maine will go deep blue in 2012."
Amy, your wishes are father to your thoughts.
2012 will be a moonbat nightmare, nationwide.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL Comment collapsed by the community
DAYUM!
And here I was so looking forward to seeing if prison 'orange' was a good color for the cross-eyed weasel! lol
Isn't it great how Feisty keeps re-posting her same inflammatory, no-value posts over and over after the community collapses them?
Nice!
Ahh I see the PMS queen has once again slithered out from under her rock...
I'll tell you what honey, you quit collapsing them & I'll quit reposting...
Until then - DEAL WITH IT!
In the meantime go gulp down a handful of Midal and get back to us in the morning sweetie!
See I can shout too!
Isn't it also great how the posts that get collapsed attract even MORE readers than they'd have had before and continue to pile up votes even after they're collapsed?
John Kasich and Buckeyes two things I don't like about Ohio.
...and the Ohio State Police. They are ALWAYS runnig Radar or an airplane or something. Of course, if you drive a set of hotwheels like, say, an RV, I guess that's not a worry.
How fast does 60 come up on an RV, anyway- a minute-and-a-half? What's the skidpad G's one of them there barges can pull- .11? Hey, Spanks- can yo fill me in on just how much fun one of those things are, anyway? I bet they are positively exhillitating. I know I'm 'J' behind the whole deal!
No problem DBO -
RVs are the best when you are out in the boonies. Toilet, fridge, tv and dvd for the kiddies.
As for the skid pad the little missus drives a CLK 430, which is sporty, I'm holding out for the newest 911. That, amigo will certainly be fun.
But not for nothing but the QX56 has some HUGE nads. Not so great on the skid pad, but you put the peddle to the meddle and booms she gitty ups.
So DBO what kind of whip you got? Me I a total car guy. Got four, plus RV now, but that 911, she's a coming!
Of course he will or he will be found in contempt. This guy's got one year left before he is recalled and that isn't soon enough.
Shouldn't this read not deducting union dues from worker's paychecks?
Weird - No one can touch worker's paychecks without a court order, or worker's permission ......except unions.
Yet a liberal, biased judge rules the Governor has to provide the service of collecting dues for the unions.
The Governor is the union AR department. Well at least she hasn't ruled that the Governor has to do the account payables for the unions - paying their utility bills, rent, political kickbacks, phone bank bills, Illinois Hotel bills, .........
Hey idiot, they are talking about taking the additional funds for healthcare out of the teachers checks. You know the part they agreed with right off the bat? But the Govablabberpus just can't wait to get his hands on workers CASH to give to his KOCH masters.
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The article is poorly written and doesn't specifically say.
Regardless the big issue the unions are concerned with, the threat to their power, control and political influence is the issue I addressed - not the benefit deductions which you admitted were agreed to.
Hey John (Yang), Any word on Rick Snyder and the two GOP leaders give themselves high marks on their handling of the States Affairs. Now that's a laugh! The guy gets a "F"!
Hey devie nice to see you got the point of my first post.
Good job! Isn't information great?
I love the Govs in Ohio and Wisconsin, they are spot on. The Unions have destroyed the manufacturing industries in our great country. They deserve NOTHING. They are thugs, they are liars and all are corrupt. I hope they go down like the titanic. NUFF SAID.
I love the Govs of both Ohio and Wisconsin. They are true blue Americans. The unions have destroyed the manufacturing industries in our Great Country. They are thugs, they are liars, and all are corrupt. THEY DESERVE NOTHING. One day they will be gone and maybe we can get back to being number one again.
Total BS! More like true blue MORONS!
The manufacturing industries are fine, Unions did not destroy anything. Corporate greed destroyed American manufacturing, no American, union or non union can compete with foriegn wages. As long as profit is more important than a working, and self sufficient America things will never change. If republicans were really patriotic they would hold big business accountable not give them tax breaks to undermine American workers.
Be American Buy American.
Complying with a judge's order?
Well. I NEVER.
Will wonders never cease. There's hope for civilization yet.
Besides, Walker knows he doesn't have the votes to pass the bill again. This is his only shot.
And maybe not. Seems to me that since unions began to decline, we've done nothing but go in the wrong direction. Pay and benefits are flat or declining, the income gap is growing, and jobs continue to flee the country despite the destruction of private sector unions and all the tax breaks corporations and their shareholders can eat. We're nowhere near the top in health care, despite continuing to be the most expensive health care system in the world.
Number one is a long way up from here. You'd better be right, Davey.
Because this is all on YOU, and people who think like you, now.
Amen.
Thank you Anna Molly! Excellant post!
Anna,
With respect to pay declining... you may be right as I don't track/monitor that sort of thing. I'm an electrical engineer and I make a decent salary - more than I ever have. It may depend on the industry/profession.
The good news is that I took a new job (about a month ago) and did not get an offer of $3/hour. I even have weekends off.
I have to say that .. well, you know how in certain situations, no matter what a person or group seems to do, they always look bad. This is how I view public unions... all the way from the bus driver in Detroit to the barbarians in Madison. They make themselves look bad and they are very good at it.
From the 2008 Republican election platform (Under the section called "Protecting Union Workers", no less!) :
"We affirm both the right of individuals to voluntarily participate in labor organizations and bargain collectively"
Looks like yet another one who didn't get the memo.....
Dear moonbats: Your lame shallow childish absurd smears of the Koch Brothers are not shared by all labor unions.
Red State’s Labor Union Report reports a defense of the Georgia-Pacific owners from a very unlikely source: Jon Geenen, VP of the United Steelworkers union.
In a post entitled A Well Intentioned Bad Idea on the union’s website, Geenen points out that, among other things:
I thought ALL union bosses were corrupt, bob. How can you believe anything this one says, more than the others?
Or, I guess being a crazy right-wing batboy gives you -- and just you -- the right to pick and choose, doesn't it, bobby?
Or, maybe Geenen just sees it as being in the best interest of his members NOT to encourage the Koch brothers to take their act overseas. Or, maybe the products they produce are too expensive to produce overseas and ship back here.
Or, maybe he's in the Brothers' pocket, too. Ever think of that, bob?
Because, being a corrupt union boss and all, playing both sides of the fence is certainly NOT out of the question, is it?
Neutral is not Acceptable,
Members of the Wisconsin State Employees Union, AFSCME Council 24, have begun circulating letters to businesses in southeast Wisconsin, warning that they will face a boycott if they don't support collective bargaining for public employee unions.
The letters ask businesses to express that support by displaying union signs in their windows.
"Failure to do so will leave us no choice but (to) do a public boycott of your business," the letter says. "And sorry, neutral means 'no' to those who work for the largest employer in the area and are union members."
Anna Molly,
Are you OK with this?
Bob 188- I nominate you King for a Day, tomorrow! April 1 is just the right time for Kasich to sign the anti-union bill while the rest of the fools cheer him on.
Kasich needs to go back to broadcasting on Fox Noise and leave the important jobs to someone who knows what they are doing.
Good luck Ohio. You've got a little dictator on your hands. Why did you vote for him? Because big business matters and you don't?
This travesty of a bill will be repealed in November, and this travesty of a Governor will be recalled in January.
He ard teachers in OH will retire. WHO CARES! Let all of the greedy leave. They can be replaced with teachers who actually want to work and be accountable for their actions!
GET OUT!!!!!
Bust 'em up........
Oh well, it's repeal time. It will be repealed and a message sent to the Republican-Tea Baggers, that their stunts don't work.
Spanky... the cuts they should make is to take away tax breaks to the top 2%. The top 2 % have DOUBLED the % of U.S. wealth they hold in the last 30 years. The top 100 people alone hold as much wealth as the bottom 50% of people. They shouldn't be taking away salary and benefits from middle class America. That has happened enough in the past 30 years.
Also, this issue could have been tackled through negotiation; it didn't have to be tackled by taking away people's rights. If you look at the states that have done that in the past, they have the worst school scores, and aren't any better off debt-wise. That is just the excuse Republicans use to try to take away rights from government and people so corporations will get yet more power.
Just a matter of time till Kasich and all his other Republican governors will see what the voters in their states really think of them. Apparently the GOP apparatus thought "the american people" weren't very bright, or didn't care what was going on in their states--but they were wrong. That campaign rhetoric may have sounded good at the time, but actions always speak louder than words.