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With frustration mounting at the Senate’s failure to pass a long-term federal budget bill, House Republicans are planning another symbolic vote this week in the attempt to force the upper chamber to propose a viable plan to keep the government open beyond an April 8th funding deadline.
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House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and others look on as House Majority Leader Eric Cantor speaks during a news conference on Capitol Hill today.
The House is expected to pass their newly-touted “Government Shutdown Prevention Act” - essentially a repackaging of H.R.1, the $61-billion in spending cuts already passed by the House - this week. The new bill would also add a provision that would prevent members of Congress from being paid during a federal shutdown, a proposal originally made and passed by Senate Democrats.
Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) said passing this new version of the bill "will say to the American people [that] the Senate's got to act prior to the expiration of the [current continuing resolution.] If it does not act, H.R. 1 becomes the law of the land ... it reiterates, again, the deadline."
(During the announcement of the new/old bill, the circling press questioned how this could become "law of the land" if the Senate already rejected H.R.1 and is sure to do so again. Cantor's office put out a statement that read in part, "We are hopeful that this proposal will urge the Senate to act instead of play politics with a shutdown. Funding the government at the levels passed by House Republicans might not be what Senator Reid wants, but surely even he would agree that it's a better alternative than shutting down the government.")
Symbolic votes aside, the GOP’s exasperation with the Democratically-controlled Senate's lack of momentum appears to be at a boiling point with just over a week left to cut a deal.
“Pass the damn thing, alright?” House Speaker John Boehner urged Senate leaders in a press conference Wednesday. “And send it over here and let's have real negotiations.”
Boehner accused President Barack Obama, who has largely deferred to Congress in the budget negotiations, of abdicating a leadership role in the erratic budget talks.
Asked if he had an idea of what kind of bill the president would agree to sign, Boehner said, "No. No way. I have no clue."
Cantor added, "The President is M.I.A. on this issue."
Off camera, the Boehner's office has confirmed that GOP leaders and the White House have been in discussions but hs not provided any concrete numerical cuts that are being discussed or the status of the controversial policy riders that are contained in H.R. 1.
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More political theater from the party of NO.
Uh...funding bills originate in the House of Representatives....not the Executive Branch. Uh...who's the leader in the House? Oh yeah. Tan Man. So who's actually "abdicating a leadership" role here?
Signed, your pal, Bob.
bilweeler
You are exactly right. The bills originate in the House. They then go to the Senate. It is the Senate that is not doing the job required. The Senate is run by the Democrats. What don't you understand? The Democrats have been caught red handed making statements that their plan is just demonize the opposition. They have offered NOTHING.
This particular bill should have been written and passed last year when the Democrats controlled both chambers.
Bilweeler:
There you go with the usual Liberal exaggeration of EVERYTHING.
The House is doing exactly what they are suppose to do. All Boehner is asking Obama to do is speak to those Liberals in the Senate.
This comment is nothing but right-wing moonbattism.
And don't give me any guff. I know moonbattism when I see it. Bob said so.
biweeler:
The House passed a budget. It just wasn't the one that Obama proposed in December. Seems Boehner did his job and got a budget through.
From yesterday's article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42327062/
Who is the party of NO?
So Harry Reid's 'solution' is more 'stall, stall, stall'.
The Democrats had all of last year to pass this year's budget (which began 6 months ago), and still he just 'stalls' and abdicates his responsibilities.
bilweeler "Uh...funding bills originate in the House of Representatives....not the Executive Branch. Uh...who's the leader in the House?"
Well duh! The House DID pass the funding bill - it's the Democrats that are holding it in the Senate.
What part of the process don't you understand?
Yeah, c'mon guys just pass the bill laden with every GOP legislative priority in one fell swoop... maybe it wouldn't be so difficult to reach an agreement if this was just a spending bill and didn't also include the provisions gutting regulation across a wide swath of the spectrum. Everything from protecting for-profit schools (who receive billions of dollars in Federally backed loans) to allowing more pollution (mercury no less) from the cement industry. Not that the Democrats are doing any better... Now it sounds like they are more inclined to allow some of these despicable policy riders to pass (which will hurt the common person) as long as they don't have to cut all that much spending (which will help the common person). You always know that something is a bad idea when all of the politicians agree...
I just choked on my coke on that one! You have got to stop Anna! My sides are starting to hurt! You've got Bob down to a tee (with a touch of Nixon!).
Bilwheeler, I appreciate your support for the President, but you have slightly mixed up the details. So here's a clarification for all who partake in this discussion. Roy wilson, you pay close attention, too.
1. Budget proposals ORIGINATE in the Executive branch.
2. LEGISLATION on the budget - and any other spending measures - must originate in the House.
2a. there are two different kinds of spending bills - appropriations, which sets aside money for specific purposes, and authorizations, which separately permit the funds to be used. Often, there are considerable differences between appropriations and authorizations.
3. Once sent by the House to the Senate, the original bills are subject to amendments that include adding or removing elements from the House version,. it is this step of the process now underway in the Senate, where there is considerable scrapping going on about amendments. The original version of the House bill, and this "symbolic" second edition, have no chance of getting past the Democratic Senate majority.
And given the purely ideological elements of the Tea Party-guided version of the House budget, that's a good thing.
This is a lot of mindless babble. The House did what the House does, react to popular sentiment. The Senate is doing what they do, obsfucate and slow down the process. The President is doing exactly the right thing. He has already told eveyone that he is not going to defund his priorities and remember he was elected by 53% of all the people, not 60,000 extreme right winger from dumpsite Alabama and Sinkhole Florida. So when everyone realizes that no one has a monopoly on right, they can sit down and try to make our system work and address our country's problems together. However, I'm not holding my breath.
Who would be in favor to reset the budget and the tax rates back to the last time it was good. Say Clinton's last year in office.
wmoore
If you want to talk about elections please don't forget last November. I think the American people spoke quite loud about changing the direction we are headed. We fired a whole bunch of lefties. I agree with you that both sides need to sit down and try to make our system work but I don't see any compromise on the left. They just demonize the right. Schumer said it out loud. Even though he didn't mean to let us know his true agenda.
The GOP was swept into the house in 2010 on a chorus wave of Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Since then; Not one job bill yet...
Yes but we sure have got a lot of job killing ones at both the State and Federal level. How's your boy Rick working for you?
Repost from the #5 thread below:
Some folk here need a reminder:
The 2010 election did NOT represent a mandate to enact the Tea Party agenda. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Election day exit polls showed 83% of voters were primarily concerned about jobs and the economy.
Those voters - 76% of them - were worried about the breakdown of the political process in D.C.
Only 22% said they were motivated by the Tea Party agenda, while 56% said they paid no attention whatsoever to the TP.
And those numbers have held relatively steady ever since.
This budget battle, which is based on a lie to begin with - "America is broke" - has not addressed a number of the categories in which the special commission report recently said cuts, adjustments, and in some cases outright elimination of government spending could be made.
Nope, nuh-uh. Instead, the Tea Party's rigid ideological agenda has driven it. Programs and departments hated for decades by the ultra-right are the targets. They're pushing so hard because they know this group of moonbats (thanks, AM) will never again get a chance to lay hands on those programs and agencies. They have the political lifespan of a mayfly.
Has anyone read the "amendments" to HR - 1. The Teapublicans should just simplify the bill: Pay the Republican congressman, pay our Corporate sponsors, don't pay anyone else, unless you can prove it keeps us in power.
Effectively HR-1, as passed by the House, defunds everything that the Teapublicans don't like, EPA, Dept. of Education, FCC, you name it. There will be no enforcement of any laws. CHAOS REIGNS!!!!
These Teapublicans are a joke. I hope all of you idiots who voted for these morons are happy.
Over SEVEN THOUSAND REPUBLICAN legislators were ELECTED in November of 2010.
Historians state that it was the largest "SINGLE PARTY LANDSLIDE" in over EIGHTY THREE YEARS!
Can't say if that is, or is not a mandate... but it sure says the American voters voted OUT thousands of Democrats :-)
Anyone wonder why?
Has anyone asked, "How is that Hope and Change working out ?
Oops :-) I guess we're not supposed to ask :-)
Anyone wonder why? Isn't it SO OBVIOUS?????
The Democrats have controlled BOTH houses of Congress since January 2007... : -(
Obama has been in office for over 2 of those years too... : -(
Anyone who "is afraid" to admit WHO is STALLING is either LYING or just a pathetic fool !
The Good News is, Obama's "former supporters" are running from him like rats from a burning building!
That's the kind of "Hope and Change" America really needs :-)
peace :-)
bilweeler
your handlers the Jethrocrats were supposed to have gotten a budget done last October...that's your party of "NO" (which is a pretty stupid and tired and played sound bite)
wake up and smell what you are shoveling...
inciteful post John A. albeit not for the resons you think...
And, just as an aside, a new CNN/Opinion poll came out today. Tea Party: Favorable 32%, Unfavorable: 47%. Hello tea baggers, your popularity reached it's peak last Nov., and you are sliding deeper and faster every week. Keep up the idealogical rhetoric, it's tanking your numbers. lol, roflol,
You noticed at the end of the article it stated:
Off camera, the Boehner's office has confirmed that GOP leaders and the White House have been in discussions but hs not provided any concrete numerical cuts that are being discussed or the status of the controversial policy riders that are contained in H.R. 1.
So here they accused Obama of being MIA while in fact they had talked to him "The White House", they got caught in another lie it seems,
Harry Reid is holding out so they don't distroy Social Security and I for one am happy about that, I worked all my life and I PAID into it. It is Mine and I don't want it privatised so they can invest it into the stock market, we all know what happened in 2008.
And no, they shouldn't get paid if they shut down the government, but they also should loose their health insurance, look at all the taxpayers who lost their jobs and insurance,
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Sorry - chuckled at that. Tea baggers dont own fiscal conservatism. Also - I have yet to see a good thing come out of the tea party so... yeah. LOL!
wwaugh
Who would be in favor to reset the budget and the tax rates back to the last time it was good. Say Clinton's last year in office.
I would go for that in a minute. Just looked up the budget Clinton's last year in office. It was under $2 trillion - 0bummer wants $3.6 trillion for 11 and 2012. I don't think you will get your liberal friends to go along with this.
@bb3, If we went back to the Clinton tax rates, and eliminated the 2 (or is it 3 now) wars we are fighting in the middle east, our budget could go to under 2 trillion. Two weeks, no "boots on the ground" yet we've probably spent close to a billion on Libya.
War is expensive. Foolish, needless war, more so, in terms of gold, blood, and spirit. It is past time to get fully out and let the middle east settle itself. They will continue to sell to us. As the consumer of 20+% of the worlds oil, they will have no choice, unless they don't care what they get for their oil.
devie
our king and your hero was "swept in" claiming that 1 trillion dollars was all it would take to create jobs , you know , those shovel ready jobs that he had to admit that didn't exist , basically lying to America...oh, and that unemployment rate of 8%...another bold faced lie that you slobbered over
nice work with the Bill Maher , Michael Moore stupidity and babble
Symbolism over substance completely sums up the modern Republican agenda and politician.
In years to come, we will remember this period fondly for it's 1970's disco revival --
-- The Era of the Shiny Object.
Oh Yeah........We all know the Democrats have never chose symbolism over substance.
If you would take your Liberal blinders off, you would see that it is only politics. Stop with the Republican agenda crap. Both sides are full of POLITICIANS and not statesmen/women.
Crazy right-wing moonbat.
Yeah, well I'll take the Dems any day of the week and twice on Sunday there ITM. The GOP Leadership is all about shifting the blame when things they did go wrong and and taking the credit when things the Dems did are going right (as in well not conservative). Face it the GOTP blows!
I am sure you would devie, we already know that pelosi just wants democrats to raise their hands and say "aye". According to her a democrat doesn't even have to know how to read. Just believe what obama dribbles.
I'll take dribble over spew, any six days of the week. You crazy moonbat.
Okay UNamerican whatever you say! Those Dems how dare they oppose the GOTP agenda! If they would only listen to Bonehead, Can'tor and Bachmann! Now there's a group you can trust! To GOP Corporate Lackies and the Tea Party's Golden Girl. Thanks but noooo thanks!
anna - quite the moonbat kick you are on today. Sorry I am not elitest enough to come to your dinner party, can you ship me some whoopie pie?
Devie - if that is the best you got, pelosi and obama chose you wisely.
BTW - it is not nice to refer to obama as a corporate lacky, even though he handed off job creation to his corporate buds. Interesting on how he has embraced the republican mantra of "business is our friend" and that he read reagans biography to learn how not to dribble. He does deserve credit for wanting to learn, just to bad he has to learn 'on the job'
Anna I noticed you have a fascination with the Term "Moonbat". Have you ever looked it up on the web?
I'm just curious how someone can be a "right wing moonbat"?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moonbat
"An unthinking or insane leftist -- in other words, most modern leftists"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbat
"Moonbat is a term used in United States politics as a political epithet referring to progressives or leftists."
So if someone is a "right wing moonbat" then I gues that would make them a Centrist?
It seems obvious to me that Anna's constant and repeated use of the term "moonbat" is done satirically, to show the idiocy of the word and how little it does to add to the discussion. The implication is that once you throw out a meaningless "insult", any further conversation is stifled.
I never understood what a moonbat is, but in my mind it looks very pretty. Kind of a small, fuzzy fruitbat flying under a full moon, glowing with a peaceful, internal, firefly-like light.
David - well played and so apropos for annas dinner party.
Okay David, How's Dingbat sound?
Tea Baggers and Republicans are understandably frustrated. The Republicans are fighting with Tea Baggers because they can't agree on what century to return America. Sometime when robber barons had influence would be preferable but those good ole days prior to any progressive votes in congress (civil rights, women's right to vote, social security, what have you) would be quite fine, indeed.
Anna Molly
"Crazy right-wing moonbat."
what's with the personal attacks?...what about the COH?...you don't have to follow it because you are a libbie?...a similar post would be saying you are an ignorant libbie Jethrocrat...but that might violate the COH if one was a conservative
devie...how does clueless poster sound?
Please pay attention, or someone may think that YOU"RE nothing but a clueless poster.
In case you're wondering, that would be me.
Clotho's post got it exactly right, right down to the fireflies. Didn't see it? Look up.
Your post just reinforces my point, you clueless poster rightwing centrist moonbat.
Hey, what's the big deal? I'm just practicing what I've learned from your side.
How does it feel?
@ Clotho -- thanks, and maybe we'll see you sometime under the moon.
Sorry to hear that, but whoopie pies don't ship all that well. Eat in and carry out, only.
Delivery is also available, but it's WAY extra. Not fiscally prudent, at all.
How about President Obama, reelection chances are drifting away. Farrakhan is berating him for Libya, (while I disagree with Obama on many issues, I do agree with his decision on Libya) and will take that group of votes away. Next group of votes going away are those with the New Black Panther party when their leader called him a Buck something Tom a lackey for the white man and urged his wife to leave him. Wow I never thought I would witness that and let us not forget Jeremiah Wright and his band of fools.
Of course AG Holder can't help since he relegated himself to defense attorney for a muslim teacher who got hired and then decided in the middle of the school year to take a haj (3 week off) which can be done anytime during their life and at any time during the year and got herself fired. He is defending her on the grounds that she was discriminated against. How stupid and usless is he going to be when he loses this one.
You go with your bad self Anna. Love it, keep it up.
We don't give Bill Clinton any credit for balancing the budget, why should Obama bother to get involved?
Clinton should not get credit for balancing the budget, he had a Republican Congress.
By your "logic" this years deficit is then the product of the Republican House.
Paul
Sorry bud, the Dems own this years budget mess. The Republican House has been stymied by the Democrat Senate. Pretty simple to understand, for most people. I know a liberal might get a little confused but keep trying to understand. No "logic" required, just common sense.
That's because we're all moonbats. Bob said so; therefore, it must be true.
By the way, show me the comprehensive House budget bill, please.
Anna
There isn't one to show you because the Democrats didn't bother to write one when the should have. Moonbat! Bob knows what he's taolking about.
The House needs to pass legislation that the Senate will approve. It doesn't do much good to pass something through the house if you know that the Senate isn't going to go along with it. The House bill is therefore unrealistic. They have no leverage to make the senate pass their "turkey" of a budget bill.
Two things, First Politicians are the problem. It doesn't matter what party they are. Second, given the first statement, Republicans are by and large are greedy and selfish wanting everything for themselves and screw everybody else. Democrats are greedy, but are more willing to share their largess with others.
I see. And from this, may we left-wing moonbats infer that Republicans are incapable of writing their own?
I think we might. But then, I'm just a liberal loon.
After all, they do seem capable of writing mean-spirited bills to defund NPR and Planned Parenthood. So the rest of the budget should be a piece of cake for them.
Shouldn't it?
Well, maybe not. But they could always get Bob to help them.
Anna - why worry about any discretionary program facing cuts? Once revenues return and the debt is reduced to a sustainable level. Program funding can be resumed, hopefully at a sustainable level.
Remember discretionary spending is optional spending, not mandated.
@american: its all discretionary spending. We could, if we chose, pay off all of the debt, immediately. Therefore there would be no interest required to be paid. Everything else CAN be eliminated. The only things mandated are the pay of Congress, the courts and the executive officers who had been in Congress (see the Constitution about increases/reductions in pay.)
Everything else is by law. Laws can be changed. Its what Congress does. Nothing is permanent. Difficult to change, yes, impossible, no.
Even the payments mandated by the Constitution can be changed.
dirp101...."We could, if we chose, pay off all of the debt, immediately."
What a bizarre statement, Like you think we just have $14 Trillion dollars hanging around.....or do you think we can just crank up the printing presses at Treasury and print up $14 trillion worth and the Chinese, et al, would take the worthless paper and give us our Treasury bonds back ?? Every Dollar the Treasury prints right up now makes every dollar you have in your pocket worth even less....that's the evil behind QE2....and I don't mean the Luxury Cruise Ship
It would devalue the currency to just "print away" our debt, but that doesn't mean that we can't or couldn't choose to do so. As long as the Saudis still only take dollars for their oil, American dollars will remain a reserve currency.
Paul-977599...That's a big IF.....
Last Month:
"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The International Monetary Fund issued a report Thursday on a possible replacement for the dollar as the world's reserve currency. "
http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/10/markets/dollar/index.htm
"Move to replace dollar as world reserve currency hastening, IMF suggests SDR"
"
China, Russia, even the UN have all suggested that it is time to replace the U.S. dollar as the world reserve currency. On Thursday CNN reported that the IMF is now joining the bandwagon.
Apparently, with the current worldwide financial crisis, all of the bailouts, and the high debt load that the U.S. is carrying, the leaders of many countries are losing confidence in the dollar and want to see something that is more globally oriented."
http://www.examiner.com/christianity-politics-in-national/move-to-replace-dollar-as-world-reserve-currency-hastening
Coming to a World near you soon.
Don't make me laugh. You KNOW that some of them will be destroyed long before any possibility of funding returns, and I know that that's what conservatives are hoping for.
Otherwise, why not just propose temporary freezes on oil company subsidies, for example. They're not going anywhere in the meantime. But I'm not hearing that, american.
The choices being proposed for cuts are more than a little ideological, and that's a fact.
You know, american, maybe you should be careful what you wish for. For example, what if the democrats retake the House in 2012? The way republicans are acting, it seems entirely possible to me. Would you make the same argument then about YOUR pet programs? I doubt it.
@Mike: I wonder how long the IMF would survive without the US dollars. My understanding is that the US contributes almost 20% of the budget. If the rest of the world suddenly decided "we don't like dollars," we could easily say, "Fine, we'll keep 'em at home, where their needed."
And please note, I said this is something we COULD do. It might be akin to international trade suicide, but it could be done, just as we COULD cut off all "commitments" from our government, again, political suicide, but technically possible.
If the US Dollar ceases to be a reserve currency, we can pay off our debts with "'worthless" money printed soley for that purpose. We could be debt free in an instant.
Paul: Unfortunately, we'd have to have shopping carts of cash just to go grocery shopping. If we keep piling on debt, we may just end up doing that, and then having to devalue our dollars, much like Mexico had to do.
If you can not lead, then accuse others of your failure.
Your pal, Bob
I have tough skin. They can call me anything they want as long as they call me to dinner.
Dinner at 7. We're having moonbat, but being culturally elite, only the left wing.
Anna Molly, the great thing about eating the moonbat - left wing or any other part - is it has no calories because it's just made up of moonbeams and hot air.
Of course, that's better than eating at the Chinese-German takeout down the street, which after two hours leaves you hungry for power.
Ah well, at least we're not having dinner at Bob's place - he's eating crow.
Well you can't eat the right wing it's to bitter!
As long as it is not a Fox meat burger from bob's burgers
Get ready for a government shut-down folks. Boehner alternatives are to compromise with the Senate, which he won't do: or not compromise and stick with his Tea Party base. Which he will do. Don't expect any leadership from Boehner. Better you file your income tax early, because refunds will get caught in the shutdown.
You betcha Ron!
The art of compromise appears to be DOA these days in DC!
I predicted last November that the tea baggers were going to be responsible for the Weepers demise!
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy! lol
LoL Who's getting a refund? But maybe that will delay processing of my checks.
Good idea, my friend. Thank you.
Ron, It is hard to compromise when the Senate dem puppets haven't changed their voice recording since the election. All we hear out of puppet Schumer and Reid when the string on their back is pulled is "Tea party bad, Tea Party extreme." The caucus needs to install new voice recordings if we are going to get anywhere.
I already got my $32 tax refund.
I'm with you Ron, please shut down the govrnment, leave it shutdown, and end congess's right to collective bargain with themselves. The only job/place in America you get to set your own wages, retirement, health coverage, and other benefits, and these KOOKS walk around saying they're serving their country...hahahahahaa, how 'bout you jerkoffs carry a rifle and a pack around on your back for 4 years, and then don't take away my GI benefits after I did, then come talk to me about serving your country......the congress is a sad, short sided, and holier-than-thou piece of OUR government....what does it take to get elected: the desire to screw or fu*k people without a consience, do nothing at all and get paid for it (slacker), and how to talk out of your ass!!....."WHAT A JOKE YOU ALL ARE".....TEA Party = Tax Evading Americans Party and you best leave your hands off my Social Security, bitches!!
Some folk here need a reminder:
The 2010 election did NOT represent a mandate to enact the Tea Party agenda. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Election day exit polls showed 83% of voters were primarily concerned about jobs and the economy.
Those voters - 76% of them - were worried about the breakdown of the political process in D.C.
Only 22% said they were motivated by the Tea Party agenda, while 56% said they paid no attention whatsoever to the TP.
And those numbers have held relatively steady ever since.
This budget battle, which is based on a lie to begin with - "America is broke" - has not addressed a number of the categories in which the special commission report recently said cuts, adjustments, and in some cases outright elimination of government spending could be made.
Nope, nuh-uh. Instead, the Tea Party's rigid ideological agenda has driven it. Programs and departments hated for decades by the ultra-right are the targets. They're pushing so hard because they know this group of moonbats (thanks, AM) will never again get a chance to lay hands on those programs and agencies. They have the political lifespan of a mayfly.
johnA - and without government fiscal responsibility why would business hire in the face of uncertainty? Better deals can be found elsewhere. BTW - as goes the economy so goes jobs, or do you chose to ignore what started in 2007 and still hangs on today?
If America is not broke, why do we have a debt that requires us to be paying interest on? Interest I might add that will go up as the FED increases the rate at which the government borrows.
All that money paid out in interest that could have been targeted elsewhere in times of need.
American: The problem we have in America today did not start in 2007 it just escalated in 2007...because things came to a head. This problem has been in the works for many years. But just keep believing that the dems caused this starting in 2007. Just keep believing that.
The seeds that brought 2007 were sowed in 2001.
Uh. Doesn't almost all lended debt rqeuire interest to be paid on?
So, to make sure I understand.
Credit card, mortgage, car payment, small business loans, those all equate to being broke? Or do you only refer to America itself, which borrows money and has to pay it back at interest? Does that mean everyone we lend money to is broke as well?
Please help me to understand.
Hey left, I just wrote the IRS a check for my 2010 tax return, so I hope you spend it wisely.
You got that right. The seeds of just about everything that happens in the 21st Century will have been sowed in 2001.
Talking of refunds, we always have to pay, small business, mom and pop type of thing, over paid and the IRS sent us a check for
get this 19cents, whoopeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, it cost them 42cents to send it. Government waste at its best, maybe they should look into that, and all the paper they use.
You should have used the allowable rounding and you could have elected for direct eletronic deposit to you bank account. You could have saved the tax payer money and chose not to do so.
"LoL Who's getting a refund? But maybe that will delay processing of my checks"
hahaha...get a job and you will pay taxes and then you can play the game of getting a refund check...and also you won't have to worry about the delay in processing your welfare checks...hahaha
and your halfassed lame libbie talking points retort (which you got from Bill Maher) is?...
Nothing like a "symbolic" vote to....what?
I now open the "forum" to decrease in credibility from this point on...
Everyone knows that Government borrowing and printing money DEVALUES the dollar and causes INFLATION so Obama and his SPIN DOCTORS simply renamed it "QUANTATIVE EASING"
Problem with this brilliant leftist scheme is that no matter WHAT you call it Government borrowing and printing money STILL devalues the dollar and causes INFLATION
Lies and spin from Obama and the Left are DESTROYING HARD WORKING CITIZENS with skyrocketing fuel and grocery prices, even kids' piggy banks are worth less under Obama
They've been keeping the total money supply number a secret long before Obama got into office. Spare us your "FAUX" outrage now.
Obama's STILL busy PRINTING $600 billion AT LEAST THROUGH JUNE
Too bad this money COMES RIGHT OUT of the POCKETS of HARD WORKING CITIZENS in the form of INFLATION
Buy any gasoline or groceries recently, notice the highest PRICE INCREASES reported since 1974?
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Inflation: democrat stealth taxes. Do democrats think hard working citizens are too stupid to notice?
Inflation: democrat stealth taxes
I like that, Madison the Brilliant!
I'm not sure you really understand how inflation works Madison. Yes, printing more money does cause inflation but the effect of inflation on most people is mixed, not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. The real value of debt (mortgages) declines and the relative competiveness of US goods in the global market actually increases with a weaker dollar. There are negative consequences also, people with a significant amount of their money in low-interest investments and those on fixed incomes will lose some purchasing power and wages don't always increase as quickly as prices. It's not the end of the world though, your post is overly dramatic... we don't have penny candy or nickel soda fountains any more and I don't see the sky falling around us.
Madison: who was printing all the money during the unfunded wars the unfunded tax breaks and the unfunded Medicare Part D.. Was that the Dems. You don't have a very good memory do you. Or does your hatred blind you?
We are paying these "BUMS" over....." 1200 dollars a day ".... for the days worked for them to carry on this BuLL Shxt... Vote everyone out in 2012 !!! starting with the weeper of the house "the hormonal fool" !
Folks on this blog need to get out more. Do you folks really believe the stuff you say??? I can see having some issues with the other party but you guys just roll with whatever the Democratic Party tells you! Do you know how much the Democrats want to cut? Do they even want to cut anything? Please enlighten Me!
Folks on this blog need to get out more. Do you folks really believe the stuff you say??? I can see having some issues with the other party but you guys just roll with whatever the Repulican Party tells you! Do you know how much the Republicans want to cut? Do they even want to cut anything? Please enlighten Me!
How condescending you are. This is certainly not the way to win over anyone's opinion.
The Democratic Party tells me nothing. I think for myself.
But ... methinks you protest -- or was that project? -- too much. What does Fox tell YOU?
And no, I don't get out much. I'm at work in my professional private-sector job. You?
Your "professional private-sector job" must not be too taxing with all the time you have to post here.
You may think for yourself, but seemingly not too deeply. So, why not drop the nasties and contribute something on a more intelligent bent?
Huh? huh? Huh?
I want one of those jobs where I get paid to post snide hateful comments on First Read all day and pretend I'm a progressive liberal that gives a damn about my fellow man. Where do I sign up?
That just goes to show what you are, you goofy right wing moonbat.
I dunno. you ridiculous right-wing moonbat. Ask your pal, Bob. I learned it all from him.
As for "nasties" and "snide, hateful comments "... had enough?
Don't like it when the table's turned, do you? Authoritarians never do.
Good.
Actually that is both for both of you RC and What?. Get an education and maybe you too can have an office job.
Gee Ms. Molly I don't know Bob at all. Just called it like I see it. You obviously are for some reason immune from the code of honor since you consistently break it day in and day out yet you are still here spewing your hate daily. I almost feel sorry for how pathetic you are wasting your days posting hate on the internet. Get a life lady. You are one very ugly, miserable bitch.
Shut it down... !!!
Its reasonable cuts now or massive ones later. Need an example? look at what the states are doing. Reasonable cuts for them in the past would have prevented the union busting, layoffs, tax increases, etc... that is occurring now.
I seriously can not understand the mental block of democrats on this one. Do you really think Trillion dollar deficits can go on forever?/.... really? Sorry to break the news to you but there are only 375k Americans who make over a million per year, and if you haven't been paying attention their taxes were raised for Obamacare, and States have been raising their taxes for years (see Illinois). The rich can't pay all the bills... it is simply not possible
As far as Bush's wars causing the deficit:
1. Dems voted to fund this from the beginning
2. Obama as Commander and Chief can bring home the trps from Iraq and Afghanistan at ANY TIME! Just as he committed our military to Libya
3. We have already spent over a 1/2 Billion on Libya (can't blame bush for this one)
4. Obama INCREASED trps in Afghanistan, and total war spending is now MORE than when Bush was in office.
Faced with facts the next thing some moron will spout is how GE (one of Obama's biggest supporters) and other business doesn't pay any, or enough taxes. All the while apparently forgetting that no business has ever, since the beginning of time paid taxes....THEIR CUSTOMERS DO!! No customers, no revenue... pretty simple concept. Want GE to pay billions? Guess where they are going to get that money?, yep, your green wind turbine just cost your community a million more... opps your bonds just got a little more expensive... your property taxes are sure to rise. I suppose they could just charge more for jet engines... yep,,, your vacation flight just got a little more expensive. Cause and affect.
Only citizens pay taxes... the only choice is directly, or indirectly.
Fellow union guys... how much is that pension worth if unrestrained spending leads to hyper inflation?
Rodney - Did it ever occur to you that excessive tax cuts created this deficit? It's not the spending....it's the aggressive tax cuts on top of a recession whereby not enough tax receipts are coming in. Once the recession ends and if the Republican tax cuts were recinded we won't even be having this discussion.
Laurie - I am all for going back to the Clinton era tax rates but you better think about what you are asking for. Under the Clinton era tax rates the top 2% would pay in $70 billion per year more - the other 98% would be paying in an additional $330 billion per year. The lefties would have you believe that the tax cuts were only for the rich when in truth the bottom tax payers got the vast majority of the cuts. Lets raise the tax on everyone - you will guarantee that 0bama is a 1 termer.
Since many, many, many, many americans have had their personal incomes fall (like to zero) and most of the worst loopholes, tax breaks, give aways were enacted under President George W. Bush, reversing many of those things would not necessarily be a bad thing.
I would actually favor Taking America Back, to the tax rates, and regulation of the financial industry before Bill Clinton. The restrictions under Glass-Steagul should be reinstated. Also, the delivery requirments in the futures market should be reinstated.
I know that many would not approve, but the gambling house that is "Wall Street" should be reigned in.
This 60 billion is a drop in the bucket relaive to the entire budget. If you lefties are whineing now when you're own party couldn't pass a budget having complete control of both houses and the whitehouse ... wait till the the house submits next years budget with far greater cuts... thats when the real battle begins.There is no room for compromise as we as a nation are going bankrupt. You complainers are being careless and foolish. There is no leadership from the whitehouse. Let the shutdown begin.
Except that 61 billion is coming from only 12% of the budget!!! Be more honest in your arguments and perhaps you'll be taken seriously.
And the outrageous amendments added to the budget. Can't fund planned parenthood, that might make it possible for poor women to get health care. Can't fund the FCC, they might actually enforce laws. Same applies to the EPA, Dept. of Education, ICC, Dept. of Mine, Forest service and anything else that Teapublican, Inc. does not like.
Laurie and dirp,
Every aspect of government needs to be cut. Many redundent services need eliminated. All governmental tasks need evaluated and pared down to essentials. We don't need to fund PP as duplicate health services are available to those willing to search them out. The Dept. of education never educated a single child. The EPA while necessary can be reduced in size and power. Bloated bureaucracy with overpaid, underworked bureaucrats can no longer be tolerated. We need a fundamental restructure of government and it's rule in our lives. Not reducing the size and scope of government is almost like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. We are sinking fast.
This whole conversation is laughable...
The democrats are balking at making even teeny tiny cuts and the republican proposal despite all the hot air to the contrary isn't much better...neither party is serious about changing anything, they are just shuffling the deck chairs to their side of the ship while the whole ship sinks under them...
If these goobers aren't propsoing massive cuts to the real pigs of the budget then this is an exercise in futility...think about it, 60B out of a 3.2 Trillion budget..its a sick joke
Rick Ws - When you look at $61 billion in cuts compared to the 2010 totel it is really sickening. $61 billion is just 4 tenths of a percent.
It is a matter of what has been chosen to cut rather than the amount.
End the tax cuts and go back to the tax structure under President Clinton. The problem is too aggressive tax cutting by Republicans for the top 1-2% and generous deductions and loopholes for corporations.
Paul - as far as discretionary spending goes (the 12% of the budget), I don't have a problem with a straight across the board cut. As long as veterens benefits are not cut, they earned them.
Laurie - I can live with not extending any of the bush tax cuts in 2012.
@american, its all the BS at the end of the bill that the Democrats are objecting to. How about cutting $61billion from the tax benefits given to big oil, farms, pharms, and companies like GE.
I understand they received $3billion from the government last year, that's almost 5% of what Teapublican, Inc. wants cut.
Laurie - I am all for going back to the Clinton era tax rates but you better think about what you are asking for. Under the Clinton era tax rates the top 2% would pay in $70 billion per year more - the other 98% would be paying in an additional $330 billion per year. The lefties would have you believe that the tax cuts were only for the rich when in truth the bottom tax payers got the vast majority of the cuts. Lets raise the tax on everyone - you will guarantee that 0bama is a 1 termer.
Republicans want to cut 61 Billion...not sure the amount for Democrats. Please let me know the answer Wolffchad. Thanks!
john - obamas dream budget for FY 2012 includes cuts of $73 billion/year. Maybe someone didn't tell him that 73 was more than 61.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/business/2011-02/14/c_13731928.htm
http://cedartownstd.com/view/full_story/11387354/article-Obama-unveils--3-73-trillion-dollar-budget-for-2012?instance=home_news_1st_left
For more links just do an internet search of obama + trillion dollar cuts
This whole exercise is a joke. $61 million in cuts to the current budget is no where near enough. The deficit is bleeding like a ruptured artery and both parties are offering a band-aid. At some point a real leader needs to address the real issue. Getting the deficit under control will require the govenment work force to be cut but at least 15%. All departments real budgets need to be cut in varying degrees but all should strive for a minimum 10%. It's not the Tea party the Republicans or the Democrats, it is stupid polotics as usual. Every one of them that has been there more than 10 years needs to be replaced and now.
We need a leader who will be willing to serve one term to get the spending under control. We're broke! We have no money. We can't afford basic services without borrowing. It MUST stop.
Kev - Do you even know why the "deficit is bleeding like a ruptured artery"? Give me you answer.
$1.5 trillion in deficit spending. Tax receipts are $2.1 trillion - we need to create a budget that doesn't exceed that number.
I don't think Democrats are worried so much about the amount that is cut from the budget - I think they are more concerned WHERE it is being cut from.
If the house chose to cut $50B from the defense budget, I doubt there'd be half the outrage. Trying to cut funding for Planned Parenthood and NPR isn't about saving money - It's pure political drivel.
You nailed it, and Boehner as much as admitted that it's not about cutting the budget for the Republicans, it's about political agenda, so everyone on the right can just stop the mantra about cut, cut, cut, if it's not simply cuts you're looking for..."House Speaker John Boehner said the two sides were not close to a deal because, aside from the amount to be cut, they differed on where the cuts should take effect...Republicans want to deny funding to many of President Barack Obama's priorities...."Nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. It is just not cutting spending," Boehner said at a news conference."
The Republicans can't help themselves. Every time they get in power they over reach thinking that people actually like what they're selling. Problem is they don't tell anyone what they're really selling until they get into power. They're very sly about not revealing their real agenda. Witness the fiasco in Wisconsin and Ohio and that nut in Michigan that just signed legislation giving him the authority to dissolve entire towns.
Good move, Mr. Boehner---when you can't get anything ACTUAL done, try for the symbolic---it will probably fool a lot of people. Then they can try to say they didn't shut down the government. Sadly, some folks will believe that.
The House passed a budget for the rest of this fiscal year - doing the job that was actually the responsibility of Pelosi and gang during the 111th Congress - but Harry Reid has not even scheduled a debate or brought it to the floor. I would say passing a budget is something that was ACTUALLY done.
Steeler fan - kinda like pelosi saying that the hcr was good, no need to read it, right?
What part of negotiation do you not understand? I know it is a big word, but the tea party can afford a dictionary. Actually running a counry is not about grand-standing and ultimatums. They need to be willing to sit down and negotiate with all the other parties. Continuing to push purely political cuts they know will not be accepted is not a real effort at producing a budget.
Do they want a meangingless budget from the dems that cuts every piece of republican pork? It's time for all of them to sit down and do their jobs. Let's start with cutting all of their salaries to zero until they have passed a budget, as well as dropping all of their medical benefits and pensions. Eliminate their perks, cars, office budgets, so they can not travel to boondoggles and golf. Anyone opposing healthcare is morally bankrupt to take healthcare from the government while denying it to American citizens.
Why do you start your comment by disparaging an entire group of Americans?
Eliminating travel money would not keep them from traveling or playing golf. Like the rest of us who travel and play golf, they are able to pay for that themselves.
The House passed a budget for the rest of this fiscal year - doing the job that was actually the responsibility of Pelosi and gang during the 111th Congress - but Harry Reid has not even scheduled a debate or brought it to the floor.
bad harry!
Uh, the House passed a budget, all right: A budget they knew had no chance of going any further.
That may make them heroes in your eyes, but it is pretty obvious to most others that they aren't remotely serious about actually doing their jobs, even during the two weeks out of every three that they actually work since Can't or's new rules.
When you continually pass a budget that you KNOW has no chance of being enacted you are still the party of NO. The prior house passed budgets that where of course automatically filibustered in the Senate regardless of thier content.The House and Senate are in fact negotiating but the Weeper is hamstrung by a bunch of children. He stated to the press that the President was MIA on the negotiations then admitted that they where negotiating daily with the White House once the cameras where off.The Senate democrats in fact have offered the amount of cuts that the Republicans have asked for at every step,to thier shame i might add.
Political Fence Sitter,
So is the democrats proposing 50 billion in cuts?
The Republicans are doing the same thing they have been doing for years; grandstanding and complaining.
Spending bills originate in the House, so the House originated spending bill HR 1. It went to the Senate who did their job and rejected it when the majority in the Senate did not approve of the bill. Now it is up to the Republican controlled House to devise a new bill (maybe even a compromise bill as an example) to submit to the Senate but the House Republicans are thoroughly unable to do this and are passing the buck of responsibility to the president (who really has nothing to do with it officially) and blaming the Senate Dems (who actually did their jobs). The House Republicans are being useless and are now just trying out how they can yell "No" more and pretend they are righteous.
The responsiblity currently lies with the House to send another spending bill to the Senate. Simply re-sending the same exact bill they already sent that was already rejected is not doing their jobs! It really is not doing anything.... Same old republicans, do absolutely nothing and find a way to blame anybody else. HR 1 was rejected,so rather than try to create a new spending bills the Repubs are just going to complain and blame and stall as long as they can so they don't actually have to stick their necks out there in any actual attempt towards progress.
A "symbolic vote" is a total waste of everything. That's all these Repubs are good for: "symbolic votes" that symbolize not having a clue and avoiding any actual progress.
Again, the House passed a budget for the rest of this fiscal year - doing the job that was actually the responsibility of Pelosi and gang during the 111th Congress - but Harry Reid has not even scheduled a debate or brought it to the floor. I would say passing a budget is something that was ACTUALLY done.
redhoffer - why does the senate just say "it will be my way or the highway"?
They all(both parties) need to be fired. They are NOT doing their jobs.
Why does the House say "My way or the highway" and then yell it over and over?
The House sent over a spending bill they knew 100% would never pass, and now they are re-sending a bill they know 100% will never pass. Is that even an effort? It is up to the House to try to come up with something that may have a chance of passing. I don't think they are capable. If the House even tried to compromise their constituents would get so confused they would instantaneously self-lobotomize.
And all the senate says to the house..."not acceptable, and I won't say why"
"Cantor added, "The President is M.I.A. on this issue."
That is pure political B.S. It is for the Congress to hash these things out. That is THEIR job. They want him in on the fighting so they can blame him for their failures.
It works both ways Cantor: The democrats bill is may not be what the republicans in the house wants, but its better than a shutdown. If the Republicans refuse to compromise on anything, they can not govern. I see concessions all of the time from the Democrats, never from the repugnants. Their way or the high way. F them, wit a capital F !
What are the odds the Tan Man will get in 18 holes on the day the money runs out in April? How many Head Start facilities will have to be closed just to equal the unpaid-for $600,000,000,000 Tax Cut that was extended for two more years? Some states are cutting unemployment benefits by 75%. The Republican list of potential candidates is beginning to look like the "Circus of the Stars", and the one serious GOP candidate is literally afraid to step out on the thin ice, Newt is probably the best of the bunch. But!!! When he was crying for impeachment of Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinski incident, Ol' Newt was doing some boinking of his own. I'm just dying to hear the logic put forth by the religious right of why "Bubba" Clinton was a sinning bastard but it was OK for Newt to have an indiscretion at the same time. You just have to stay focused on the real problem here. The lily white GOP wants that Nigg-- out of the White House. It's as simple as that. - Mike (Oka-Mohawk Indian Democrat and USMC retired)