Inside the Boiler Room: The Role of First Read

Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro discuss the role First Read plays at NBC News. (We shot this before Mark went on vacation, but he’ll be back on Monday!)

Thanks to newdayDAWNING10 for the question!

Video was shot by Ali Weinberg and Alex Moe. Edited by Ali Weinberg.

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How about some actual reporting?

Come on fellas, it might be fun?

Say how about that GE tax thing-y?

I'd love, love, love it if you all did a little something on that. Come on it's Friday, and Immelt's Obama's boy!

Where the three people in your ad going to do a threesome? Awesome ad fellas.

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#1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:52 AM EDT

Or maybe report on Economic Growth over 3 %, or maybe the fact that over 190,000 New Jobs created!

Yep, thats the ticket, huh, Spank?

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#1.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:16 PM EDT

True that Rick - so you all [libbies in libbie land] now agree Boehner really is coming through with the jobs? Cool.

But again Rick, and I assume you were around back in 1979 and 1980. Inflation is a bad mofo. and it's hitting the roof.

Hey Rick, do you have any idea why the government's inflation indicators omit food and energy prices? Seems kinda silly to omit the two biggest factors if you really wanted to get an accurate picture, right?

They do want an accurate picture, don't they Rick?

Hey First Read - what you got on this? Oh sorry, ok, what's Bachmann up to today?

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#1.2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT

You really think Boehner did anything, doya Spank? If so, send some of that Cali stuff yall smoke out there, into Rural Ky.

Must be some good stuff, huh Spank?

I don't know much about that other stuff, but i'm sure ifya ask 1st Reads resident economist, & see'r of all things President Obama's done wrong, NJNB from jersey, probably can giveya the answer you seek.

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#1.3 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT

Good point Rick - let's all thank Boehner and Obama for those "tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% that will destroy the middle class."

Looks like those boys knew what they were doing, right Rick

Again: Obama=Bush-haircut. And as soon as he adopts a decent energy policy [you know like he just did in Brazil] we'll be all right. Well except the hardcore Liberals, like at Kos and Firedog, cause they are pissed at poor old Obama.

But not us, right Rick?

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#1.4 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:48 PM EDT

Those 'magic' tax cuts, you mean?. They sit dormant for 8 whole years, then 'magically' create jobs the next 2? Those tax cuts? Man, I need to lay off 'Weeper' Boehner- he's so much better than I give him credit for.

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#1.5 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT

Why is it so hard for you to give Obama credit, Drive By?

He signed the "cuts" into law. He knew what he was doing. Jobs are being created.

It that so hard for you to admit? Stop all the Obama bashing.

And come on it's tax time - those "cuts" are great, right?

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#1.6 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:05 PM EDT

newdayDAWNING10

great question!

I can't wait to get to the library after work today to hear this video as First Read in an important part of my day. It's nice to have at least one news source I can trust, and a dedicated bunch of co-readers who add insight to the mix.

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#1.7 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:08 PM EDT

I don't want anythign to do with any of 'em. That's why I decided to keep on living here.

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#1.8 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT

Here is a question that First Read should ask, Since Syria is now shooting its citizens, Is the USA going to firce a vote in the UN to establish a No Fly Zone and protect citizens ofSyria?

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#1.9 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:18 PM EDT

He signed the "cuts" into law. He knew what he was doing. Jobs are being created.

I thought he just extended them. The cuts are permanent, then? Didn't know that. You sitll haven't explained the mechanics of them, though, as to how they only work for 2 out of 10 years.

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#1.10 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:19 PM EDT

And he'll extend them again. He kinda has to now that they are working so well, right Drive By?

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#1.11 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:22 PM EDT

Let's hide and watch, shall we? IF he DOES extend them again because unemployment is declining SO MUCH, you DO realize he's a shoe-in for a 2nd term, right? But you are ok with that, I assume, knowing the alternative would be somone even more inept at governing than some community organizer, right?

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#1.12 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:26 PM EDT

Glad to see you admit that he is inept at governing DBO. There is hope for you yet!

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#1.13 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:41 PM EDT

I'd be ok, but again you are ignoring energy prices.

I don't care what he does about taxes - if gas hits $4.50, he's toast.

Now I know he knows that so I expect he's going to start doing things to really, really piss off ALGORE and friends. :)

Gotta go - it's triple double time.

This is fun, if only First Read would play along.

And let's not forget about that pesky debt thing-y. K?

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#1.14 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:42 PM EDT

Spanky-

Why is it so hard for you to give Obama credit, Drive By?

Hey Spankster we give all the credit to Mr Obama and none to Boner cause he has done nothing but you keep drinking that kool aid son.

Also don't be so lazy and ask dumb questions but here's the answer to your question:

Inflation can affect different parts of the economy at different times. For example, oil prices move up and down rapidly, because they are driven by the bids on the price of oil futures contracts. As a result, gas prices are also very volatile. This can drive up the price of food, which is usually transported long distances. For this reason, the price of food and energy is left out of the core inflation rate. This is used by the Federal Reserve as a better indicator of true inflation.

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#1.15 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:39 PM EDT

Thanks for the info rc.

Too bad my wallet is directly effected by gas and food. Too bad O's reelection bid is directly tied to those things as well. I bet you remember 1979 - it sucked, right?

Oh and I'll be as lazy and dumb as I want to be. But thanks for you concern. Mayhaps you should focus on, oh I don't know Drive By, Feisty of Bev.?

But really rc, are you saying the tax "cuts" were Obama's idea? That's a good one.

Oh and I'm sure Drive By thanks you for the assist. I suspect economics are not his strong suit.

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#1.16 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:01 PM EDT

So is my wallet but hey big shooter we can afford it right, at least I can. I don't have to focus on those folks as they do a great job on their own defending themselves from the fear over fact crowd that you are.

The president had to so he could get the UE for people and again he negotiated that and the 2% cut in SS.

PS......I guarantee you that when he's re elected he will not renew those cuts.

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#1.17 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:21 PM EDT

Wow, having just gotten a chance to hear the audio of this (at the library), I must say I am amazed to learn (after all these years) the breadth of roles First Read encompasses. I am impressed and awed by the size of the task you guys do. I had no idea this blog was a kind of memo, communicating news, analysis and stories internally, as well as to blog readers. It's cool to think us readers are getting the same scoop that the NBC employees are, in their different departments. I love it!

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#1.18 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:34 PM EDT
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You DID answer my question, Mark and Domenico, and many thanks for taking the time. Well, except the part of spring coming to the prairie, we did get another 9 inches of snow this week! Here is what I think: You are very successful in having FR be the first thing looked at. One only has to look at the first thread to know that. I know that I love to come in from the barn, get a cup of coffee, and sit down and read what you have to say about what is going on in the world. The best thing about First Read is the friends I have made. So, keep writing guys, I am a real fan.

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Reply#2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT

Did you ask them about the Muslim Brotherhood taking over the govt in Egypt? At least that is what the NYT thinks is happening. Seems to be a fairly serious development.

Here's a bit:

Islamist Group Is Rising Force in a New Egypt

By MICHAEL SLACKMAN [sic]
March 24, 2011

CAIRO — In post-revolutionary Egypt, where hope and confusion collide in the daily struggle to build a new nation, religion has emerged as a powerful political force, following an uprising that was based on secular ideals. The Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group once banned by the state, is at the forefront, transformed into a tacit partner with the military government that many fear will thwart fundamental changes.

It is also clear that the young, educated secular activists who initially propelled the nonideological revolution are no longer the driving political force — at least not at the moment

Another oops! from the Obama Administration. How can we trust his judgement concerning Libya when his decisions are not based on a coherent and cohesive foreign policy?

Where is FR on this story? Seems as if they are too busy analyzing other people's work to give them much credence as serious "journalist".

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#2.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT

Damn, not again. Another Muslim country run by Muslims! Where will it all end??

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#2.2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:56 PM EDT

All right Drive By - down with the Brotherhood.

How forwardthinking of you. Although I do have to say it does fit your comment the other day about the Tel Aviv bombing being justified by "illegal" settlements.

Oh and I suppose there is you answer - it ends in more acts of terrorism, but I suspect you know that, right Drive By?

Oh my!

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#2.3 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT

How quickly the apologists forget the words of Obama and the claims the Muslim Brotherhood made as Mubarak was being ousted.

But here's what we can expect from the "new regime".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369259/Egypt-protests-Women-forced-virginity-checks-arrests-Tahir-Square.html

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#2.4 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:02 PM EDT

So Drive By - since you are good with the Brotherhood, you equally good with the Libyan rebels?

You know the guys who are chopping up Black Africans?

These guys are totally worth all the Tomahawks, right?

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#2.5 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:07 PM EDT

Congrats NDD!

An EXCELLENT question, deserves an EXCELLENT answer! ;o)

Nice job Mark & Domenico! Chuck Todd may have joined the group, but, as far as I'm concerned, FR will always be Mark's 'baby'! lol

Maybe this will shut the NJ nut job UP once & for all...

Ooops! Guess I spoke to soon!!! For someone who has as much disdain as she does for FR, she sure spends an awful lot of time here doing nothing but b!tching!

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#2.6 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:30 PM EDT

Thanks, Feisty: I appreciated the detailed answer.

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#2.7 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:06 PM EDT
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Hey, yeah! The tax thing/Generous Electric. I second that emotion, counselor.

While I'm at it, I think I'll stir the ol' soup again, and make a bunch of the First Read posters come unglued again this afternoon.

Think I'll begin by posting a ficticious invite to a ficticious bar, say, the 'Dew Drop Inn', and request a song off a ficticious jukebox. Maybe talk about how much ficticious booze I'm gonna put away. Anybody wanna go along? It can get pretty funny, sometimes.

(but them ficticious hairs off them ficticious dogs are enough to make a guy clean up his act, sometimes!)

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Reply#3 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:58 AM EDT

Straight up Drive By - too bad GE's taxes are not fictitious, right. Kinda going to be an issue when Immelt, as Obama's economic liaison starts talking about corporate tax rates. You know, like having Rangel writing tax law.

But hey Drive By, as Immelt would no doubt tell you - it ain't stealing if they give it to you. So since Immelt's Obama's pick you all will stop complaining about those evil corporations not paying their "fair share" of taxes, right?

I mean for you to continue to complain about that would be an affront to Obama, right? Oh Yeah.

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#3.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT

Hey Drive-by---it is a birthday party today to celebrate the anniversary of HCR. I've heard rumors of special entertainment, a cake and I'm buying champagne for all!

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#3.2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:54 PM EDT

From the New York Times:

The [tax] shelters are so crucial to G.E.'s bottom line that when Congress threatened to let the most lucrative one expire in 2008, the company came out in full force. G.E. officials worked with dozens of financial companies to send letters to Congress and hired a bevy of outside lobbyists.

The head of its [GEs] tax team, Mr. Samuels, met with Representative Charles B. Rangel, then chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, which would decide the fate of the tax break. As he sat with the committee's staff members outside Mr. Rangel's office, Mr. Samuels dropped to his knee and pretended to beg for the provision to be extended — a flourish made in jest, he said through a spokeswoman.

That day, Mr. Rangel reversed his opposition to the tax break, according to other Democrats on the committee.

The following month, Mr. Rangel and Mr. Immelt stood together at St. Nicholas Park in Harlem as G.E. announced that its foundation had awarded $30 million to New York City schools, including $11 million to benefit various schools in Mr. Rangel's district. Joel I. Klein, then the schools chancellor, and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg who presided, said it was the largest gift ever to the city's schools

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

My, my. Mr Rangel certainly knows how to work the perks. And I don't doubt that the Republicans will pull off the same kind of deals, but maybe at least try to be somewhat slightly less blatant about it. You'd think this nonsense would somehow be illegal, but it is obvious that Washington DC is nothing more than a great big giant piggy bank, and if you learn to work the system, you get access to the piggy bank.

It's time to get the money out of one place, Washington DC, and back to the states and communities. Corruption like this needs to be stopped. Washington DC is too easy one-stop-shopping for lobbyists. If the money isn't there, in DC, the lobbyists will go away.

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#3.3 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:58 PM EDT

Will there be 'socialist' party hats and noise-makers, Steeler Fan??

Spanks- "It ain't stealing if they give it to you". I like that. Wonder if the recipients of health-care, or food-stamps, or un-employment have heard this good news?

Say, you going to the HCR birthday party? Hell, man- it IS Friday, and you need to take some time off and have some fun!

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#3.4 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT

Isn't it great DBO? But really what do you all expect when Rangel and Co. write the tax laws?

Funniest part is you all don't get it. All this crap about corporations paying more in taxes - the tax laws are written by idiots, and enforced by people who are even dumb-er. Of course how many of you have ever read the actual IRC?

It ain't stealing. They literally give it to you. As I have said before it really pays to hire a good tax attorney. Not a CPA, get you an atty. It's money in the bank. :)

But hey DBO - you all have fun at you little party. And do celebrate the HCR, it will not be around too much longer. :(

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#3.5 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:13 PM EDT
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Good question and answer newdayDAWNING. Why, if we have jounalism schools, do we not have a code of ethics for jounalism?

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#4 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:59 AM EDT

Thanks, Paul, I admit I have long been curious about how they see First Read.

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#4.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:02 PM EDT

We do.

http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

I TOLD you they were absent that day from Journalism 101.

By the way, while we are on "stories MBC missed"- besides the GE tax story, and the fact that Immelt is now not only top fundraisers, but top tax advisor to Obama, ( on a voluntary basis, of course- he gets remunerated in "other "ways- wink wink),

How about a story on Obama committed American tax dollars to drilling for oil in Brazil?!?

Given that, ya know, you guys set the agenda for NBC's reporting, and all, don't you think that maybe you should have some reference to this little item? Considering the jobs that could be created here- not to mention that, rather than spending money to drill, the government would be GETTING money in the form of royalties and tax receipts?

Geez.

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#4.2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:16 PM EDT

I don't know guys, what do you think? Is nojo the only possible person on the face of the earth that does not recognize a fee for service membership organization when she sees one? Do you think she knows that there are MORE organizations than that one that recruit journalists as members? Will she EVER learn what a proper citation is?

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#4.3 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT

I can only assume this is what Dominico and Mark had in mind when they made the video.

And it would be sad if this were where I went for news. But thankfully it's all about the comedy gold around here. Now where the heck is Feisty and Bev.?

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#4.4 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:36 PM EDT

How about a story on Obama committed American tax dollars to drilling for oil in Brazil?!?

This is what we call 'short-sighted'.

MAYBE if there were more opportunities in South America, the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS would STOP COMING HERE? That would solve the problem, wouldn't it? No more (OK, a greatly reduced amount of) money being spent on immigration enforcement.

MAYBE if there was oil production in South America, we could PURCHASE OIL FROM THERE instead of the Middle East, you know, where they HATE AMERICANS? I find it interesting that the same people who HATE the president have no problem GIVING their MONEY to the people who cannot stand us and want to see the 'infidels' killed. How does THAT make any sort of sense?

MAYBE if we partnered with South America to produce oil, we would get a BETTER PRICE than in the Middle East? That would mean that we could get what we needed imported for LESS money than what we pay now. Have you seen oil/gas prices lately?

Again, it is exceedingly obvious that many on here do not think long-term (especialyl the one I am referencing). The President was looking out for OUR - AMERICA's - interest and you want to bash him more?

Good luck with that.

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#4.5 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT

Or we could drill here. Cause I hate giving money to the middle east. I would way rather it go to American companies drilling here. You know like n the Gulf and Alaska.

Say, how much is Sorros going to make out of the Brazil offshore oil drilling that our money is facilitating?

Pietro is Brazilian oil better for us than US oil? What is the "lon-term" thought process there?

But I agree Pietro - Obama's plan is short-sighted.

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#4.6 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT

I'm with Spanky. Let's drill HERE, and use up ALL of our reserves ASAP. It's OURS, by damn, and like that one commercial says - 'we want it NOW!" Who cares how much we have to pay other countries for it once it's gone? Hell, we're tough- we can take 'em! Buncha pansies, anyway.

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#4.8 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT

Spanky - But I agree Pietro - Obama's plan is short-sighted.

The Greens, another major source of Obama/Democrats funding as well as the Unions, are probably delighted about Obama farming out oil drilling to Brazil. No way those oil slicks mess up our beaches if something goes wrong down there. The campaign checks started rolling off the presses (on recycled paper with bio-degradable ink) once Obama said the words the Greens told him to say about Brazil.

And as for illegal immigrants heading for Brazil, and not the US, well, that's kind of doubtful. With everyone else in the world building high speed trains, these illegals will be able to move around both north and south very quickly. Well, at least until they get to our border, then they'll have to take a '92 Buick the rest of the way.

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#4.9 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT

That's right DBO - and by then maybe there will be some viable alternatives, cause right now the old fairy dust and unicorn horns just don't power the RV.

Oh and DBO didn't you hear - t done found 22 MORE years worth of reserves. Surely [can I call you that?] the greenies will have it all dialed in by then.

And how 'bout those Volt sales?

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#4.10 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:16 PM EDT

"...maybe there will be some viable alternatives .......And how 'bout those Volt sales?"

Volts? Are they like 'Viable Alternatives" (once they are 'dialed in', of course)?

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#4.11 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:30 PM EDT

Why, if we have jounalism schools, do we not have a code of ethics for jounalism?

This might be a more complicated question than you think, Paul. Some of the networks have moved news into their entertainment divisions, indicating that they are not interested in traditional journalistic reporting standards. Whether this is for ratings and ad revenue reasons is not entirely clear. It may also have at least something to do with the fact that reporters and copywriters have sometimes been declared to be non-exempt employees under the Fair Labor Standards Act, which means they have to be paid overtime for hours over 40 in a week. "Entertainers" are exempt from these laws, as well as from the obvious ethical standards that might be applied to journalists. WIN-WIN.

I always love it when someone argues that journalists shouldn't have to tell the truth. It reminds me of the worst closing argument I've ever heard in court -- a well-respected (until that moment) attorney stood up and said: "This is not a case about liars and truthtellers." Everyone in the courtroom, including the jury, immediately knew which one of the parties was the "truthteller" and which was not. It took the jury less than 30 minutes to decide against that attorney's client.

You can pretty much tell the same thing about those who declare that truth is not a requirement for news reporting.

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#4.12 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:31 PM EDT

A Federal court judge in Florida ruled exactly that: News agencies are free to knowingly LIE to the public.

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#4.13 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:35 PM EDT

And who was advocating that position, if you know? Was it Fox, by any chance?

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#4.14 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT

DING,ding,ding,ding,ding......right again. It was over a story about carcinogenic lactose hormones being used in dairy milk production. Scary that a News organization could knowingly lie about that to the public.

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#4.15 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:23 PM EDT

Just a little contribution here:

Many individual news organizations as well as professional reporters' and editors' associations proclaim a code of ethics and they actually enforce them. For example, in most of these codes, reporters are no longer allowed to trvel for free on sports teams' planes, and buses. Reporters are no longer allowed to accept gifts, free meals, or outside work as paid spokespersons. There are many other examples - and they include standards for verifying content of their stories.

So many changes have been made in the past 13 years, since the last time I worked as a daily news journalist, that the ways we used to do things in the newsroom may have changed dramatically. But we used to have copy editors and fact-checkers review all articles, and then other editors above them review for tone, accuracy, and when about a controversial subject, fairness as well as potential libel, then finally the headlines were written and the placement made. All of this was in print journalism, but in both radio and TV I encountered similar processes.

It was and still is common for a news organization to have its own "slant" - leaning Republican, leaning Democrat, independent, or some other outlook. While a few egregious examples such as the Freedom Newspapers chain out of Orange County, CA, took this very deeply into their news pages, usually this was expresed mainly on the editorial page. And I might add, every time somone talks about the "liberal media," I laugh my head off. Republican to wild-eyed crazy right wing "slant" by far dominates all media today. As far as I can tell, CNN is the closest to neutral of any of the major media.

Editors used to, and still do, exercise a lot of influence over how stories are chosen, how much attention they get, and how they are presented. Editors always influence story assignments. I can tell you that for every piece that made the day's news, two dozen or more off the wires and from stringers were "spiked."

The basic principle underlying story selection and presentation also underlay the codes of ethics: Be honest, disclose conflicts when they come up, address your audeince's concerns, and by golly get there first. That's how the news organizations are able to stay in business.

Nowadays things are different. It's a wild parody that Fox refers to itself as "news" when they really have no code of ethics and willingly lie and distort almost everything, pandering to their audience. MSNBC TV sometimes crosses the line, too, but generally they aren't offering "news" as much as opinion and commentary. The cuts in newsroom personnell in all media and changes to the process of preparing and presenting stories seems to have eliminated many of the checkpoints we used to employ. And !@#$#@!! spell-check has allowed younger people coming up to ignore spelling and rules of usage.

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#4.16 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:58 PM EDT
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Wow - so you admit First Read was NBC's "jurno-list" to control the message. What NBC wanted to report.

Problem is fellas, the world wide webis big and as you can see from our comments we are not limited to what you think is important.

You know Dominico, like your infatuation last December with O'Donnell. Cause I would love to hear you rationalization as to why you chose to post two articles on Bachmann yesterday. Two, really? Because you actually think Bachmann drove the news yesterday?

Cause I was thinking the fact that the Libyain rebels, protected by our troops, are chopping up black Africans in a race war might have merited some note. How about today?

So How about that article on energy, gas, and Drill, Brazil, Drill?

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Reply#5 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT

New Day: That was a terrific question. It's always great when Mark & Domenico reach out to us. Because as they said, First Read is really about getting information out there for the political/news shows of the day. But for one brief moment, it's nice when they speak directly to us. Very classy.

And I know when I hear a story on Chris or Lawrence or Rachel's show - I do notice immediately that they're covering a story we read about here on First Read at some point during the day.

It's a great site, and we are given a great deal of freedom to voice our opinions to their articles. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. But I find it to be a very interesting place for back and forth conversations with people all across our country.

_________

I'm already asking myself - when is the book coming out? We've all read about JFK and what he was up against during the Cuban Missile Crisis; there were just so many in these meetings back then who wanted to bomb, invade, whatever - Cuba. But we all know what JFK's final decision was after careful careful contemplation. Tons of books have been written about this one moment in JFK's Admin. in October '62.

I've been wondering these past few days what it must have been like in the Obama Administration as they decided on what to do in Libya. We know Sec. Clinton wanted the No-Fly, Susan Rice did a tremendous job over at the UN.

But what about the aides to President Obama. Does anyone know where they stood on Libya? I know this is probably too much "inside baseball" too soon, but I'm curious what transpired before a decision was made inside the Oval Office.

Mark & Domenico: That's my question for the next month. haha. I'm dying to know.

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Reply#6 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:01 PM EDT

Thanks, Pat, wouldn't we miss the dialog if we didn't have FR? Your questions on Libya would be fascinating if they can answer them.

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#6.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT

I have noticed as well that articles posted on First Read show up all across the internets. I think this site is read by an awful lot of people all across the country.

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#6.2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT

Didnt you know Pat, the book is already out..."Momentous Decisionmaking" by Rachel Maddow..

The answer is on page 78..

"After days of intense argument and debate, the die was cast...Obama went with Duke in his bracket."

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#6.3 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT

Pat - I'd love to hear how you came to that conclusion. Care to elaborate?

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#6.4 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:37 PM EDT

Bob-1887910

Didnt you know Pat, the book is already out..."Momentous Decisionmaking" by Rachel Maddow..

The answer is on page 78..

"After days of intense argument and debate, the die was cast...Obama went with Duke in his bracket."

Ha Ha very funny Booby,

It least it was brackets and NOT rackets. I hear Boehner is good with the rackets like that time he was passing out checks on the House floor from the Tobacco Lobby.

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#6.5 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:00 PM EDT

Allow me to pull a Sheila Jackson-Lee and reference myself to offer a pov as to FR's journalistic skills. Which suck at best.

Where is FR on this story? Seems as if they are too busy analyzing other people's work to give them much credence as serious "journalist".

That sums up their skills rather nicely. Piggyback if you can't walk.

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#6.6 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT
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Congratulations newdayDawning. Great question. Thanks Mark and Domenico for the history lesson and clarifying your background and how you do your work. Now we know they are trained as journalists who sort through the events and other reporting to inform us and NBC what they think is most important politically and sometimes do their own reporting. Guiding the political focus of the network is no easy task considering the amount of material that must be read daily just to figure out what's important. Great job, First Read Hosts.

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Reply#7 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:16 PM EDT

What impact will the African Union have on Libya since they are only observers in the UN?

Can the AU be a mover and shaker in any respect?

If you decide to accept my question the next time thank you in advance Mark and Domenico

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Reply#8 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT

Bev. I think Chilled had an excellent response to that very question yesterday. Perhaps you missed it, but it's worth noting.

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#8.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:38 PM EDT
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Congratulations Newday

I made a big mistake I thought we were supposed to ask questions to the Boiler Room.

That's what I get for assuming things. Now, I'll go back and watch the video like a good girl.

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Reply#9 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT

Thanks Beverly, but your question is a good one!

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#9.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT

You're welcome newday

I love learning. I'm glad we have people like you to ask relevant intelligent questions instead of asking obnoxious questions just to be stupid. It's good we have Mark and Domenico to teach us and the FR crew to keep us informed.

I wonder what do they think when some questions get intentionally too silly and mock FR staff?

Maybe they just LOL at them.

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#9.2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
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These guys are TOLD what to report on!! The orders comes from above. Now that Comcast and the Republican Charlie Dolan own NBC/MSNBC, dont expect to see many stories on what Republicans are REALLY doing! For example: Do people know there is a provision in the GOP budget ( HR 1135) that cuts off food stamps to an entire family if any memeber goes on strike???

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/23/buried-provision-food-stamps/

They quote the passage of the law! It's outrageous!! First we have Fox, now we have MSNBC/NBC, who are a bit more stealthy about what they do, but do it nonetheless! Putting Ed Schultz on at 10:00 PM is another example! WHO'S gonna be watching then????

The media in this country if abdicating its responsibility to this country!!! And they are being allowed to get away with it!

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Reply#10 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT

Big Brother guilt by association.

    #10.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:56 PM EDT

    Tom - if someone has a job, you know one they can go on strike against, why are they on food stamps?

    And golly if I were on food stamps the last thing I'd ever consider doing is going on strike.

    Kinda seems like poor planning.

    And you know who's watching Big Eddy at 10:00? This guy.

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    #10.2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT

    Hate to burst your bubble Tom, but who was watching "Big Eddie" before his time slot switch? LOLOLOL

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    #10.3 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT

    Spanky.... dont change the subject or muddy the waters! The fact is that language in the bill removes food stamp eligibility if ANY member of the family goes on strike! And THAT is OUTRAGEOUS and union busting pure and simple. Americans are getting the message. It is what it is and nothing to do can chage that!

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    #10.4 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:26 PM EDT
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    Great question, New Day--congrats. And Mark & Domenico---thanks for your thoughtful answers. To me one of the great things you do at FR is to point us to more detailed stories about what is going on--you find the best summaries from all points of view for us. I understand you don't "vet" those stories-but you do streamline the process for us.

    You take a lot of flak from people with more graciousness than I could manage. Thanks for everything you do to make this site so great.

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    Reply#11 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:48 PM EDT

    Hi Steeler Fan-380417

    Mark & Domenico---thanks for your thoughtful answers.

    You take a lot of flak from people with more graciousness than I could manage. Thanks for everything you do to make this site so great.

    I'll drink to that.

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    #11.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:14 PM EDT

    Hi Bev---first round at the Dew Drop Inn is on me--hope to see you there!!

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    #11.2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT
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    Oh this is a Gem.

    What this points out is just so how out of Touch MSNBC and NBC are with what the American people want to know.

    You would think that after Years in the Rating BASEMENT of the Major Cable News Networks they would clearly start Believing that what they are actually Reporting on is not that Important as compared to the Other Major Cable News Networks, You would think that the CEOs and Producers of MSNBC and NBC would see that the Path they have taken is a total Failure, While we see CNN and FOX have there stations running 24/7 with minimal reruns on the Weekends , MSNBC has to give us a weekend full of to catch a Preditor or Locked up.. You would think that you would have Figured it out by now. Or perhaps you guys are just taking orders from your Masters at the Station..

    I dont know but if i was a station that could never come close to topping the Ratings i would seriously concider thinking about Changing the way i was choosing what i was reporting on. Oh. yes we understand that you only wish to Speak to a very small Crowd of people and that is yoru Target Audience you would think that you would want a Bigger Share of the market. It is obvious to most you dont really care about your Failure you just wish to press your Political Agenda.

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    Reply#12 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:05 PM EDT

    News, "real jounalism" isn't supposed to be about ratings. It is supposed to be about the public service of the fourth estate. Your values have been skewed.

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    #12.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:16 PM EDT

    And yet you are STILL here, Steve, spouting whatever it is you've posted.

    If you hate MSNBC that much, why don't you just TUNE OUT?

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    #12.2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT

    Hey,

    the post was the ROLE of first Read, When the Role of First read is putting MSNBC and NBC at the Bottom of the Ratings table for major Cable News networks. It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to figure out that the Role they are Playing is Dragging the Network down. I mean afterall. it had to be Sold to AOL

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    #12.3 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:42 PM EDT

    Again, Steve, that is THEIR business. Who CARES who it is sold to? You make such a stink about the 'ratings'. If low ratings are that important to you, why not go somewhere where there are higher ratings? MSNBC doesn't seem to be bothered by their 'ratings' as much as you are.

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    #12.4 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT

    Pietro,

    Why is it you are so worried about me Posting here, What you dont like to hear the truth about what people think about MSNBC, I understand that you wish to Silence opposing Voices. People that dont agree with you. but you see i will post where i want. and you dont have the power over me to tell me where to post.

    do you work for them? is that why you are so upset with my post? do you think i am attacking you? really dont take it so personal.

    My post was Clearly pointed at the host here at MSNBC, you see whether you think so or not.. THEY are worried about Ratings because they know it has a Direct effect on thier Employment in the End.

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    #12.5 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:03 PM EDT

    Pietro, Columbus, Ohio

    Isn't funny some think they are being silenced?

    Let's break it up a bit to show them who Hendrix dealt with it.

    Freedom by Jemi Hendrix

    Freedom, give it to me
    That's what I want now
    Freedom, that's what I need now
    Freedom to live
    Freedom, so I can give

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qezM-Ly5dYM&feature=related

    I'm a Jemi Hendrix fiend. I rocked during those turbulent times, platform shoes, bell bottoms and psychedelic lights. I think we're about to repeat history with this GOP.

    They can't touch us

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    #12.6 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT

    Why is it you are so worried about me Posting here, What you dont like to hear the truth about what people think about MSNBC, I understand that you wish to Silence opposing Voices. People that dont agree with you. but you see i will post where i want. and you dont have the power over me to tell me where to post.

    Steve - I am not telling you anything. Do I care where you post? No. If your voice was opposing something or ANY relevance, then I would want to see what you are posting. You are droning on an on about MSNBC's ratings. What RELEVANCE does that have with anything?

    Moving on, nothing to see here...

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    #12.7 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT

    Pietro,

    If you can't see the ROLE OF FIRST READ and them setting the Agenda for what MSNBC and NBC concider to be Important and the Effects on the Ratings of the Channel then thats your Fault not mine.

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    #12.8 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
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    I used to think conservatives were all about local government control. Or at least that's what they used to say, when that was a convenient hook to attract supporters by convincing them that centralized government is bad. In Michigan, however, a direct assault on all local government control, and not just the schools, has just been signed into law.

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(ujc125ims5u2gr202mkvglz3))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-Act-4-of-2011&query=on

    In Wisconsin, we have seen more of the same, first legislation that would remove all local control from "charter" schools, effectively privatizing them at public expense --

    http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/education/article_a685fc34-5426-11e0-bd7a-001cc4c002e0.html

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/SB-22.pdf

    And now, legislation that would tell local governments that they cannot adopt leave ordinances that are stronger than the state Family and Medical Leave Act (this one appears to be directly targeted at Madison and Milwaukee, who have had the audacity to consider such legislation) --

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/SB-23.pdf

    I'd love to hear the conservatives out here chime in with how they believe these attempts to limit the traditional authority of local governments square with their espoused conservative values. Substance only, please.

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    Reply#13 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:18 PM EDT

    "I'd love to hear the conservatives out here chime in with how they believe these attempts to limit the traditional authority of local governments square with their espoused conservative values. Substance only, please."

    When 'local governments' are under the iron grip of corrupt public employee unions, then the state government can and should draft laws which revert authority to the citizens, not the unions.

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    #13.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:50 PM EDT
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    Is it possible that Fox News has anything analogous to First Read? If so, what would that be?

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    Reply#14 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:21 PM EDT

    No doubt. But they'll charge you a fee to post and throw you out if you disagree. At least, as I recall it, Bill O'Reilly does that.

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    #14.1 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:50 PM EDT

    First Lie?

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    #14.2 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:01 PM EDT

    First lie and Fairly Unbalanced

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    #14.3 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:10 PM EDT
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    Anna Molly--- I guess that explains why conservatives do their rants here. Homeless and unhappy.

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    Reply#15 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:01 PM EDT

    Tom ,Yreka

    Anna Molly--- I guess that explains why conservatives do their rants here. Homeless and unhappy.

    Too funny, Tom

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    Reply#16 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:39 PM EDT

     A couple of stories caught my attention--a piece from McClatchey papers about fundraisers taking place at sporting events--nothing new of course--but EVERY pol mentioned hosting the lobbyists was a Democrat. Are they telling us No Republican is using sporting events as fundraisers? Hard to believe. then there was the one about the schoolteacher in Wisconsin who didn't turn into a bar but a thinking voter.  "I voted for Walker because he promised to curtail frivolous spending. I just didn't think he'd regard education as frivolous."

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    Reply#17 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT

     Sanborem? Now a foreign affairs expert because he spent 12 years as a senator with his major interest as the sexual habits and choices of the women of America?  PLEEEZE!

      Reply#18 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:09 PM EDT
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