Health care -- one year later

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President Barack Obama signs the health care bill in the East Room of the White House in Washington, Tuesday, March 23, 2010. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

Health care -- one year later ... A nation still divided … and confused … Who’s left in Congress who voted for and against it … Where it stands in the courts … What’s ACTUALLY in effect … What will be and when … Bet you didn’t know … By the numbers

From NBC's Chuck Todd, Domenico Montanaro, Ali Weinberg, Carrie Dann, and Kevin Hurd
*** Health care -- one year later: Today marks the one-year anniversary of President Obama signing the health-care overhaul into law. That debate, the town halls, the process, and the late-night votes consumed every bit of the political oxygen for a year and were the subject of heated political rhetoric and spin (see: “Death panels,” pulling the plug on grandma, “government takeover,” socialism, and the public option). But look at what’s happened since (in order): the BP oil spill, the Greece riots, Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court, floods in Pakistan, Democrats’ “shellacking” in the midterms, Republicans take control of the House, Rahm Emanuel becomes Chicago mayor, Bill Daley replaces him at the White House, a new press secretary, no more Michael Steele, Tucson, Tunisia, Egypt, Japan, and Libya.

*** A nation still divided…: Back to the health-care anniversary … the needle hasn’t moved all that much on the health-care bill’s popularity. In the most recent monthly tracking poll conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation, 42% of respondents said they had a favorable opinion of the bill compared to 46% who saw it unfavorably. In April 2010, just after the bill was signed, the numbers were a similar -- but more favorable -- 46%-40%. In November 2010, when the midterm elections put the politics of health care front and center, those numbers were 42%-40%. The 2010 exit polls, which reflected an electorate that voted to sweep Democrats out of power in the House, showed an equally split country -- with 47% saying it should either be expanded or left as is and 48% saying it should be repealed. Kaiser’s numbers are similar to the ones shown by our NBC/WSJ poll. In March 2010, right before the legislation passed, 46% said they supported passage, 45% opposed. That’s exactly the same breakdown as NBC/WSJ found 10 months later in January 2011 on a DIFFERENT question -- on whether they supported or opposed its repeal.

 

*** …And still equally confused: Polling indicates Americans continue to be confused about how the bill will impact them, what’s actually in it, what’s been implemented, and whether it’s been repealed. Kaiser shows that, as of March, 53% say they are “confused” about their feelings on the law. In April 2010, 55% said they were confused. That dipped to 42% by June, but then spiked back up to 53% by September, dipped again to 43% by December and ticked back up at the beginning of this year; 52% say that they don’t know enough about the legislation to understand how it will affect their lives. That’s about the same as April 2010, when 56% said so. Incredibly, almost half in February of this year said INCORRECTLY either the bill had been repealed (22%) or weren’t sure (26%).

*** Congress -- who’s left: Of the 219 House Democrats who voted for the health care bill, 171 remain. The four House Democrats who voted for the health-care bill and ran for Senate all lost. Of the 34 House Democrats who voted no, 14 remain. One, Charlie Melancon (LA-3) ran for the Senate and lost. Of the 56 Senate Democrats who voted for it, 46 remain, 11 of whom won re-election in 2010. Of the three Senate Democrats who voted against it, two remain. Only one -- Blanche Lincoln (AR) -- was up for re-election last year. And she lost. (Republicans point out that NO Senate Democrats voted against the bill the first time around on the Christmas Eve vote.) *** UPDATE *** Republicans also point out that "six of the last eight Senate Dems to decide whether to support the health care bill will either not run for reelection or have been beaten. The seventh will be in a dogfight this year and the eighth will likely be reelected barring something dramatic in Vermont: Lincoln – lost; Ben Nelson – will likely lose; Lieberman – retire; Bayh – retire; Webb – retire; Conrad – retire; Feingold (because it wasn’t liberal enough) – lost; Brown (D - OH) (because it wasn’t liberal enough) – ??; Sanders (because it wasn’t liberal enough) – ??"

*** Where it stands in the courts: Nearly two dozen legal challenges have been filed in federal court over the law, NBC’s Pete Williams reports. And while most have been dismissed on technical grounds, five resulted in decisions on the central issue -- whether the law’s requirement that nearly all Americans buy health insurance is unconstitutional. The five cases are pending before federal appeals courts, and one may reach the U.S. Supreme court during its next term. In three of those cases, filed in Virginia, Michigan, and Washington, D.C., judges said the law is constitutional. In the other two, brought by the states of Virginia and Florida, judges said Congress exceeded its powers in passing the law. The lawsuit filed by Florida was backed by 25 other states. Adding Virginia, that brings to 27 the number of states challenging the law’s constitutionality. Six more cases are pending in the lower courts.

*** How is the law affecting you RIGHT NOW? There were cries of, “Have you read the bill?” and “What’s in the bill?” which led to a lot of the confusion. Well, here’s some of what’s ACTUALLY in the bill that’s taken effect already or will this year, per NBC’s Betsy Cline and others:

- Children allowed to stay on their parents’ health insurance plans until their 26th birthday.
- A 10% tax on indoor tanning services. (Sorry, Snooki.)
- Seniors receive a $250 rebate to help cover the so-called “donut hole” in Medicare drug coverage
- Free preventative care covered by Medicare and private plans. (So, when your company says, “Good news, you now get free health-care screenings, child well visits, physicals and other preventative care,” that comes from the health-care bill.)
- Nursing mothers to be allowed lactation breaks
- Insurance companies no longer allowed to discriminate against children with pre-existing conditions
- Government-run insurance plan set up for adults with preexisting conditions who are denied coverage
- Government-run long-term care program set up. For those who participate, people pay premiums for five years and then will receive benefits if they need them -- “whether they are 20-somethings in snowboard accidents or 80-somethings with Parkinson’s disease,” the New York Times wrote.
- Insurance companies barred from placing lifetime caps on benefits
- Insurance companies barred from dropping patients’ coverage when they get sick
- Insurance companies must prove they spend 80% to 85% of premium revenue on medical services.
- Insurance companies required to disclose rate increases (and the reason) of 10% or more
- Small businesses (with fewer than 50 employees) begin receiving tax credits covering 35% of premiums to help them buy coverage. (This credit jumps to 50% in 2014.)
- States receive billions in funding for community health centers
- Drug companies face $2.5 billion in fees (rises in later years)
- Creation of a government research institute created to examine the effectiveness of medical treatments
- Establishment of a Medicare Independent Advisory Board, which will be tasked with trying to keep Medicare spending down and submitting legislative proposals to do so. It will first submit recommendations in 2016.

*** How will it affect you IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS? If most of that sounds good (that is, unless you’re Snooki), Republicans will rightly argue the law was front-loaded with many of the positive parts. In 2013, new taxes and fees go into effect for individuals making more than $200,000 a year (and families making more than $250,000 a year), on dividends and interest, and on sales of medical devices. By 2014, the individual mandate goes into effect -- if you don’t have insurance, you have to buy it or face a fee. By 2016, that fee will be 2.5% of your income or $695 a year, whichever is more. (Kaiser has a helpful interactive timeline here.)

*** Bet you didn’t know…: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s office yesterday passed around a quote from Starbucks’ CEO, who said, “I think as the bill is currently written and if it was going to land in 2014 under the current guidelines, the pressure on small businesses, because of the mandate, is too great.” It’s true that by 2014, businesses with more than 100 employees will have to contribute to buying health insurance for their employees or face hefty fines (if at least one of their employees qualifies for tax credits, but not Medicaid). But, we bet you didn’t know that businesses with fewer than 50 employees NEVER have to buy health insurance for their employees, per the White House.

*** By the numbers: For all your quick facts needs, here’s a health care, by numbers (gathered from published reports, the Kaiser Family Foundation, government health-care Web sites, the Department of Health and Human Services, and White House “fact sheets”):

- $2.8 billion: Dollars distributed so far to states to implement the law.
- $241 million: Dollars given so far to six states and a “coalition of states” in “Early Innovator” grants
- $50 million: Dollars to go out this year for five-year medical malpractice grants to go out this year to states to “develop, implement, and evaluate alternatives to current tort litigations”
- $50 million: Dollars in grants sent to states to establish exchanges
- $46 million:
Dollars in grants so far to states to address insurance rate increases
- 4 million:
People received $250 because they hit the Medicare “donut hole” since the law passed
- 12,000:
People who were denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions since the law was passed and were added to the government-run Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan
- 1,040:
Waivers granted that allow companies to cap annual payouts at lower levels than the original law orders
- 219:
House Democrats voted for the health-care bill
- 171: House Democrats remain in Congress
- 63: House seats Democrats lost in the 2010 midterms
- 56: Senate Democrats voted for the bill
- 53:
Percent who say they’re still confused by the law
- 48: Percent who say they think the law has either been repealed (22%) or aren’t sure (26%)
- 46: Democrats who voted for the bill remain in the Senate
- 38:
States whose legislatures have proposed measures opposing elements of health reform
- 27: States have challenged the constitutionality of the law
- 26: Percent who say they’re not sure if the health-care law has been repealed
- 22: Percent who say incorrectly that the health-care law has been repealed
- 6: States -- Nevada, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, North Dakota, and Iowa -- all have applied for waivers and are being reviewed
- 6: Cases pending in lower courts challenging the health-care law
- 5: Health-care lawsuits taken up by the courts out of the dozens of cases that were filed -- most centered on the individual mandate, which requires all Americans to buy health insurance
- 3: Steps the Small Business Administration created for small businesses to apply for or see if they qualify for government subsidies. The SBA claims, “Four million of the nation’s six million small businesses that employ workers could be eligible for these credits.”
- 3: Court decisions in court in favor of the administration
- 2: Court decisions against the administration.
- 1: State -- Maine has undergone the full process to get approval for a waiver on the 80%-85% provision of the health-care law. It got the provision adjusted to 65% through 2012. The reason for approval, per HHS: “The main insurance company that provides coverage for about” one-third of the 37,000 people on the individual market “said they may leave the market if they are required to meet the higher standard.”
- 1: Other state -- New Hampshire -- is farthest along in its waiver process and has a hearing set for Thursday.

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The Pity is that we want a Health Care Reform Bill and got a "Democratic" Health Care Con Bill !

PS -- The 800 lb. Gorilla wants to know WHY we ALL cant have the SAME HEALTH CARE coverage members of Congress and their Families Enjoy at our expense ?

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Reply#53 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:11 PM EDT

The law is unconstitutional. The government does not have the authority to force anyone to buy anything ! Also, Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional. The federal govt has NO right to insert itself into the healthcare business. My insurance, my health, etc should be an entirely private matter, with no govt funding, or taxes, or oversight. The Feds should be involved at all. It's a nanny state, which will turn communist within 100 years. All assets of a nation controlled by a few powerful chosen party insiders.

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Reply#54 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:11 PM EDT

Little to wonder about. My insurance premium went up 17% my wife's premium went up 22%. Both policies were grandfathered, so we received no new benefits. I guess I'm paying for those under 26 who stay on their parents policies, and all those added preventative benefits people received. I have yet to receive a thank you.

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Reply#55 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:15 PM EDT

For the record, there was no health care reform in the bill.

Real healthcare reform would include items like removing/reducing FDA regs to bring new drugs to market, increasing the ability/amount that can be contributed to an HSA account, tort reform, etc.

The bill that passed merely told inusurers and businesses what they had to cover and how much they could charge to do it. (unless of course you are a union shop)

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Reply#56 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:16 PM EDT

My Insurance went up 15 percent because of Obamacare and I hope you stupid people that voted for this jerk are pleased because it will go up on you also.

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Reply#57 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:16 PM EDT

So how many people that really need help has this crap of a bill really helped? And will it ever help them? I really doubt it. obama crammed this down our throats for one reason, to help himself. That is the only reason he does anything. I am ashamed of the President we have now. And the bad decisions he is making. We are deeper in debt and in another war and less jobs than when he took {stole} office. Everyone in America knows the only reason he was elected is because he is part black. He had and still has no experience for the job. Millions of people made a horrible choice and we are all paying for it now...............

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Reply#58 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:17 PM EDT

I heard 2 black ladies talking at the grocery store just after the election. One said that now whites can sit at the back of the bus. Tell me race had nothing to do with that shame of an election.

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#58.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:27 PM EDT

That is not really true. After the surpreme court decision whites no longer take a bus. All are black even the drivers.

    #58.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:34 PM EDT
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    It's not that the left doesn't understand, they don't care. The lazy left only cares about someone else picking up the tab for them. It is always about give me, give me, give me. You have more than i do so give me half because i'm a lazy no good P.O.S. Don't argue with them, just know they're wrong and will be 90% of the time.

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    Reply#59 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:17 PM EDT

    You're exactly correct. It's called SOCIALISM; the Middle Class take care of the poor. SPREAD THAT WEALTH OBAMA!! VOTE ALL PROGRESSIVE/COMMUNIST DEMOCRATS OUT 2012.

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    #59.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:21 PM EDT

    LennyD - The real problem is the "I've got mine" crowd who tries very hard to deny access and privileges to the many so that the few can continue to enjoy theirs with the help of the government who gives them endless tax breaks. That's the real problem here.

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    #59.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:23 PM EDT

    There's annierich the henny penny of the hysterical right with her blame the poor it's all their fault mantra. LOL!!! Careful there annie, you might find a commie under every rock if you're not careful.

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    #59.3 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT
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    All I know is my company slashed our health care benefits and raised our rates.  In the process blamed it on the health care bill.  Our insurance has turned into a catastrophic plan.  I used to have ok insurance know I do not.

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    Reply#60 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:19 PM EDT

    53% confused; 25% college educated. hahahaha!

      Reply#61 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:20 PM EDT

      Hello America, sad sad times, Mass Grave, what else can be done? not only a Sunami but a country without electricity, but also without food, and now water, I missed the news the other day but someone said a low radiation cloud had now hit the state of Washington, and where was Obama during this crisis? no where to be found, somewhere in South America touring the country side, Now the next most important question must be asked, I saw the Japanese loading alot of waste rubble into a baseball stadium, where are the ships loaded with rubble going to? hopefully not to be dumped into the Ocean like so many trash barges from New York City, and what about the radioactive ocean waters now circulating the globe? why does Barrack Obama hide the facts of this terrible disaster from the American Public? and its potential health risks to all Americans, and when will General Electric be sued for these reactors? and will Barrack Obama recieve more campaign funding from G.E.? and what about the radiation survivors in the State of Washington and California, how much will Obamacare pay to the downwinders? not a dime, sincerely Fezzy Bear

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      Reply#62 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:20 PM EDT

      Obama is in Brazil giving them $2 BILLION of OUR money (Soros gave $9 BILLION) so that BRAZIL could do oil exploration and we'd be THEIR customer and of course it creates JOBS for the Brazilians. Now would someone please explain this idiot to me. To hell with America as usual.

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      #62.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT

      Hey, if you two keep telling each other these lies... they might become truth! Dream on.

        #62.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:30 PM EDT
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        The problem with all of this is that insurance companies shouldn't be in the for profit business of health care rationing. Our problems begin and end right there. Our country should go to a Medicare for all program with the younger healthier paying into the system supporting the older sicker folks. If we include the younger folks and adjust FICA taxes for persons under 65, it will shore up the Medicare system going forward. Most individuals would find they are paying far less in FICA taxes than what they are having to pay in insurance premiums. The problem is and always will be private for profit insurance companies as witnessed by the Medicare Advantage scheme Republicans dreamed up about 10 years ago and argued would be cheaper to administer than traditional Medicare administer by the government. Turned out that paying private insurance companies to administer Medicare cost the government 25% more than traditional Medicare. So there you have it.

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        Reply#63 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:21 PM EDT

        competition across state lines and tort reform...and keep the damn GOVERNMENT out of it!!!

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        #63.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:23 PM EDT

        that's funny, because that is what is in the Republican offering-are they not part of the government?

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        #63.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT

        I think for profit business cost us more for eveything we buy.

        If what you say is true we could be saving 25% on everything if the government controlled all our needs.

        I have suddenly became a socialist.

          #63.3 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:26 PM EDT

          They are not offering to RUN it as in OBAMACARE! How do you like living in our Obama United Socialist States of America?

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          #63.4 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:26 PM EDT

          but you are acknowledging that they want to do some of the same things, right anni? so is it the law that you are against or just the President?

            #63.5 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:28 PM EDT

            clearly you do not have a business background. private enterprise is responsible for nearly all innovation and efficiencies we enjoy now. a profit motive is the fastest, cheapest and fairest way to improve any business. fyi - healthcare is a business.

              #63.6 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT

              sjacobs123 - health care insurance is different from other business models. These insurance companies are in the business of denying coverage. Health care should not be under the auspices of a for profit company. There is nothing innovative about collecing money and denying claims.

              annirich - Please! Talk about a ponzi scheme. Insurance across state lines only means some insurance company offering an inferior product at the cheap rate can come in and sell in my state where the legislators have placed standards on companies that write their policies here in an effort to protect consumers. It's a Trojan Horse. Tort reform is limited at best and will not solve the rising cost problem. Besides, if some physician hurts a member of my family, I want the right to sue him for damages. The general public should not be denied the right to sue a bad physician.

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              #63.7 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:49 PM EDT

              Yes, healthcare is a business just like the oil companies.

              Annirich-"competition across state lines and tort reform...and keep the damn GOVERNMENT out of it!!!"

              You think I'll get a better deal when BC/BS of Tennessee can compete with BC/BS of Alabama?

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              #63.8 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:54 PM EDT

              clem459 - That's the fallacy of annirich's thinking. No you won't get a better deal from BS/BC of Tennessee or BS/BC of Alabama. You will just get a worse policy as there will be a race to the bottom of the insurance heap.

                #63.9 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:57 PM EDT

                100% correct Laurie. And that is where this bill also failed all Americans, by not providing a public option or access to Medicaid or Medicare. I would much rather sign up for a non-profit (Medicaid/Medicare) insurance where administrative costs run 7% vs. the cost of private insurance at 20-25%. Especially given that private company CEOs make $25 million per year to deny claims. This is where the republicans/baggers could have stood up to the challenge and offered amendments that strengthen the bill vs. their typical strategy of playing politics and tearing down the bill.

                  #63.10 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:08 PM EDT
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                  Here is an easy solution. Employees get health care from the company in which they work. Their dependents can get health care but not at the same rate. Why does it cost the same per covered person when only one person actually works at the company? Just for example, the employee rate would be $100 per month and dependents would be $500. If that is what it cost the company to provide insurance. Instead, we all pay $300 per person. Sounds a lot like communism to me. I have elected not to be married and have kids, so why am I paying for their health care, education, car insurance, etc? If you have dependents, that was your choice. Now belly up to the bar and pay your tab. Don't expect me to pay it for you.

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                  Reply#64 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:23 PM EDT

                  Did'nt someone pay it for you?

                    #64.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:29 PM EDT

                    Hard to buy employer provided health care if you don't have a job.

                      #64.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT

                      @jackoffjr - and that is why we are in the position we are in right now. pay your own fare.

                        #64.3 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:49 PM EDT

                        renegade - because you chose to be a member of the human race and with it comes collective responsibilities. Otherwise within a very short time you don't have a civilization at all.

                          #64.4 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:56 PM EDT

                          Been paying it long before you learned to hate.

                            #64.5 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
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                            The nation is divided that's for sure. Between those who will, through taxes or otherwise, have to pay for it (against) and the welfare culture that thinks it's free (for). But when it kicks in fully and the welfare culture doesn't get what it expects or has to pay for some of it, like it or not, there will be a different tune sung. Remember that socialism only works as long as you have other peoples money to spend. And increasingly the "other people" are running out of money too.

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                            Reply#65 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:24 PM EDT

                            Not the rich. Soak the rich. Take their wealth and give to us. We need it. We deserve it.

                              #65.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT

                              i really hope that is sarcasm, if not, you are not worth the oxygen you breathe.

                                #65.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:51 PM EDT
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                                My oldest grandson had a minor ACL surgery yesterday plus one night in hospital...40K...his parents insurance has a 2500 ded and after that it was all covered...just a question, how many of you could have afforded the 2500 let alone the 40K costs? Better pray for real HCR and soon or none of you will have insurance because it will too expensive...

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                                Reply#66 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT

                                all hosp costs are up because of the illegals cramming the hosps and er rooms for regular care. We're all paying for them. Same with the schools. And then you have states like NH I think it was, who wants to give the illegal high school kids a break on in-state college tuition. Of course the American in-state kids don't get a discount but what the hey...it's only our country....or was. Obama's taken care that it isn't any longer.

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                                #66.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:30 PM EDT

                                Rick...I have to pay more than $2500 in taxes on the health care my company provides me each year now that Obama care has passed. You might want to check your taxes this year. Your children will be paying more than $2500 yearly on taxes for their healthcare. BTW...Obama care is funded the first 4 years and takes affect after that. After 6 years Obama care will be a >$100Billion in deficit each year. Did you ever wonder why Obama had a 10 year plan? Simple, in the 11th year Obama care start so lose >$100Billion per year! Unfortunately, you are not educated like most of America. Go Libs!

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                                #66.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:36 PM EDT

                                My wife and I raised three children without insurance. We did'nt stiff the doctor or hospital at any time.

                                We made payments until our obligations were met. She was a stay at home mom. We had one car (used). Our home was a non-descript track house. Rental living before that. No WIC, no earned income credit, no welfare.

                                What you need from the government is what our constitution says you need. No more, no less.

                                  #66.3 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:47 PM EDT
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                                  I think the new "health care law" should do away with medicaid!!! Or start charing for it!!!

                                    Reply#67 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:27 PM EDT
                                    DenissrDeleted

                                    I agree with you 100% Jammer22. wallstreetcare, too funny!! But also true. By the way, this nation didnt just get divide dover healthcare, it has always been divided. This is just one more wedge issue with the rich on one side, the poor on the other and this "wedge" has become a gigantic hole for the middel class to fall in.

                                      Reply#69 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:29 PM EDT

                                      no the middle class are breaking their backs supporting the lower poor class. It's the ole' spread-the-wealth thing but it's our wealth.

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                                      #69.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT

                                      annirich - The Republicans have been practicing spread the wealth for decades. They've been taking from the middle class and spreading it up to their constituents; the wealthy and the corporations. Who are you kidding? As I recall, welfare reform took place in the mid 1990's and limited many poor people from collecting indefinitely. So get off you high horse and face the real facts about income redistribution and just exactly who that is really benefiting.

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                                      #69.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:53 PM EDT
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                                      ". Incredibly, almost half in February of this year said INCORRECTLY either the bill had been repealed (22%) or weren’t sure (26%)."

                                      That's a great number to indicate the level of ignorance in this country regarding the bill. The people who thinks this, are probably also to the people who don't understand the bill, and who wants it repealed. This adds up to 48% (depending on how the questions were asked), which is pretty much the same percentage that want's to repeal it or is against it.

                                      It seems clear more questions are needed to make a correlation, but it also seems clear that the repeal effort is led by ignorants.

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                                      Reply#70 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:29 PM EDT

                                      I agree 100%. The Republicans- Tea People just don't know what they are talking about. The bottom line, Health Care reform is here to stay.

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                                      #70.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:36 PM EDT
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                                      Of course we are divided. You have those who WANT the government to force them to buy insurance and you have those who DON'T. Not to mention, you have the people who like being taxed to death by their states and are still gong bankrupt and those who DON'T. Then of course there is the North versus the South thing that is still alive and well. And the biggest differences are those who love this country and Buy American and those who THINK they love this country and buy foreign. Then they cry because there is no money or jobs and they wonder why there is no money for our school systems.

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                                      Reply#71 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:29 PM EDT

                                      And this year we get to pay tax on our insurance.  Great Job Obama!  My premium goes up and I get taxed.  Most people don't even know that they have to pay tax on the amount their company puts in for their health care this year.  I guess we get to find out what is in the health care bill now that Pelosi passed it!  Congress, please don't fund this atrocious bill!

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                                      Reply#72 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:30 PM EDT

                                      I thought I read in the Kiplinger Letters that the taxed premiums wasn't in effect yet.

                                        #72.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:33 PM EDT

                                        Health care benefits are compensation no different than a car allowance or country club dues.

                                        Because government allows certain compensation to go untaxed, it essentially subsidizes the private health care industry for a few hundred billion a year.

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                                        #72.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:42 PM EDT
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                                        I think health care reform is great. I know my company health care is much better now than it’s been in years. The rates only went up by 4 dollars a month and now preventive care services are given to all employees with no co-pay. Before for a colonoscopy we had to pay a co-pay of 1500.00 for the test and now it cost nothing.

                                        Once America sees the benefits, the Health Care reform act will be here to stay.

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                                        Reply#73 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT

                                        Okay Job1; where do you live? How old are you? Are you middle or lower $$$? Answer my questions individually; you are obviously one of the 'paid' bloggers. You all sound alike; these are always very 'stilted' comments.

                                          #73.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:36 PM EDT

                                          ann, no doubt the healthcare bill added a couple percentage points to the 10-15 percentage point increase we saw this year, but only that.

                                          And it certainly had nothing to do with the 10-15% annual increases we've seen over the last decade.

                                          All in all, it was a good idea that produced a lot of benefits.

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                                          #73.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:50 PM EDT

                                          annirich

                                          You sound like a Republican-Tea Party paid A$$ H@le which sound alike. Health Care reform is here to stay. Live with it.

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                                          #73.3 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:01 PM EDT
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                                          If your definition of divided is a small sliver of the pie being for Obamacare...then yes, we are divided.

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                                          Reply#74 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:32 PM EDT

                                          I'll address Suzy'd comment.
                                          Congratulations Suzy, your family must be in the higher income %. I make 23k gross, annually. I am a Clinical Education Assistant. I have 2 adult children 22 and 24. Very happy I can continue to cover them.

                                          Suzy, if you run into financial difficulties, dip into your savings... not mine though. Hard to maintain savings as a single parent helping 2 adult children attend college.

                                          I like HCR. It has helped me now and it will in the future. Sorry, we didn't do what Hawaii has done with Health Care, would have been even better. You all remember Hawaii don't you? It's part of the USA.

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                                          Reply#75 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:38 PM EDT

                                          Instead of a 2500 page reform bill, allowing people to purchase insurance over state lines would have worked much better and that's not even in the bill.

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                                          #75.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:46 PM EDT

                                          fun

                                          So you're making $12 per hr.? My daughter works for Starbucks makes more then that. I'd find a better job ASAP.

                                            #75.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:58 PM EDT
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                                             Not once in this again biased peice did I see mention of facts about the added costs to those middleclass people who were originally covered on their own plans. Every study I have seen and the individual cases I know those prices have skyrocketed to now put in jeopardy those who always did and originally had heath care under their own plans.

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                                            Reply#76 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:39 PM EDT

                                            Unconstitutional.
                                            Oblamey wants single payer. He is forcing it on everyone in this country. This is his way of getting single payer, by screwing up the best healthcare in the world. The gov. does not have the right to force anyone to buy something. Get him out in 2012.

                                              Reply#77 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:40 PM EDT

                                              selfemployed - it's only the best healthcare if you can afford to avail yourself of it otherwise it's the worst.

                                                #77.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:12 PM EDT
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                                                Unfortunately, you are incorrect. Obama care mandates taxes on 2011 healthcare provided by employers to employees.

                                                BTW...Obama shows a $200B savings for the first 10 years. The first 4 years we pay in and get nothing back. the 5th year Obama care takes affect. The next 6 years we pay out. the 11th year is in defecit by >$100B. Just an FYI on Obama care and how stupid Obama thinks the voters are. In 20 years it will be $1 Trillion in deficit. I bet he never told anyone that. He and Pelosi pulled a fast one on everyone who supported his bill.

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                                                Reply#78 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:40 PM EDT

                                                and that's if the cost of doing business for medical facilities remain the same. You know it won't.

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                                                #78.1 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:50 PM EDT

                                                That is also counting $500 billion twice!

                                                  #78.2 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:02 PM EDT

                                                  Unfortunately you are incorrect.

                                                    #78.3 - Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:19 PM EDT
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