Warning to the pidgeons on the park benches in DC - watch out for McNasty - he's sure to be in a fouler mood than usual after hearing the news...

What with this idiot war hawks wanting a WWW111? Oh how silly of me it's the military industrial compound. It would fatten the war hawks and their sponsors assets.

These people are too slavishly crazy. Increase the war budget and destroy this nation by decreasing the agency which would warn the West Coast within minutes after a devastating wave like what triggered an earthquake in Japan.

These eager beavers are apt to destroy the world; that's another reason the GOP/T-baggers will lost even more credibility.

Warning to the pidgeons on the park benches in DC

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Nasty, which of the pidgeons were you speaking to??

Pidgeon is a surname from an archaic spelling of pigeon. Notable persons with the surname include:

• Caroline Pidgeon, Liberal Democrat politician in the United Kingdom and the leader of the Liberal Democrats in the London Assembly
• Emily Pidgeon (born 1989), English athlete
• Eugene Pidgeon, American dwarf actor/writer/activist
• George C. Pidgeon (1872–1971), Canadian religious minister
• Harry Pidgeon (1869–1954), American sailor, was the second solo person to circumnavigate the world by sailing ship or boat
• Jeff Pidgeon, American writer and actor
• John Pidgeon, Australian contractor and property developer
• Lloyd Montgomery Pidgeon (1903–1999), Canadian chemist who developed the Pidgeon process
• Rebecca Pidgeon (born 1965), Scottish actress, singer, and songwriter, and the wife of the playwright David Mamet
• Valmai Pidgeon, Australian philanthropist and construction contractor
• W. R. Pidgeon, English inventor and developer of the Pidgeon machine
• Walter Pidgeon (1897–1984), Canadian actor who became a citizen of the United States
• William Pidgeon, (1909–1981), Australian painter
• William Pidgeon (archaeologist) (ca. 1800 - ca. 1880), American antiquarian and archaeologist

Careful Joe, they''ll call you a Nazi.

Fiesty:

How do you know what Obama would do? Does he consult you before making decisions?

He realized it is easy to talk a good game when you are not the POTUS but once you're in that seat, reality hits you.

PIDGEON....lol...if you are going to disrespect someone at least learn the correct spelling.

Beverly:

IT IS THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX......you talk a lot of shyt and don't even know what the hell you are talking about 99% of the time. Just because you take up half of the bandwidth it still does not equate to knowledge.

YEAH YEAH..I know.......I'm a Nazi, Racist, Homophobe, bigot, uncle Tom, ............

How do you know what Obama would do? Does he consult you before making decisions?

Why thank you for asking ITM - as a matter of fact he does... lol

You know you've won the argument when the other side resorts to being the 'spelling' police!

GOT NOTHING?

Bev - What with this idiot war hawks wanting a WWW111

WTF is a WWW111? Some sort of new liberal website that is about to open? ...or it can be just plain ignorance.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

How do you know what Obama would do? Does he consult you before making decisions?

Why thank you for asking ITM - as a matter of fact he does... lol

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So, THAT'S why he gets everything wrong!!!

Thanks for clearing that up.

BTW, Nasty, does squab taste anything like crow??

Feisty......you want to know how you'll pay for the war? Give TAX CUT to the rich and companies shipping job overseas then somehow, yes somehow they'll create this illusionary job. then try balancing your book on the back of the MIDDLE CLASS, the punching bag. AHA

Feisty......you want to know how you'll pay for the war? Give TAX CUT to the rich and companies shipping job overseas then somehow, yes somehow they'll create this illusionary job. then try balancing your book on the back of the MIDDLE CLASS, the punching bag. AHA

OH you BETCHA! Notice how not a one of them answered the question? Instead they twist and spin about a simple spelling error...

Like I said - THEY GOT NOTHING?

They're waiting on Beck, Palin & Teabaggers INC to give new lines to follow. Clueless.

Beverly in Chicago. It's referred to as the 'military industrial complex', not compound. Also, the earthquake caused the 'wave' (tsunami), not the other way around. Your comments are creating a wave of embarrassment compounded by your ignorance. Start thinking on your own, please.

What with this idiot war hawks wanting a WWW111? Oh how silly of me it's the military industrial compound. It would fatten the war hawks and their sponsors assets.

These people are too slavishly crazy. Increase the war budget and destroy this nation by decreasing the agency which would warn the West Coast within minutes after a devastating wave like what triggered an earthquake in Japan.

These eager beavers are apt to destroy the world; that's another reason the GOP/T-baggers will lost even more credibility.

Joe, LOL.

I don't mind us not getting involved. But I don't want to hear any more about how we are some awesome nation of good in the world. I only want to hear about how our citizens want our military to be used to make slaves so we can all pay less than $4 a gallon for gas, and to get revenge on those slaves when they get pissed off.

I also don't mind hearing about how we like to pretend we like either Republicans or Democrats and hate the other one, as if what they say or do matters, and how what we say or do, matters about it.

Did I say I don't like this country? Hell no? I love our greed. Gets me food, an xBox and a lot of good movies I can tune out with! And I do love my special effects :D

How does anyone know what Obama would do? Staying out of the Fray, No Drama Obama. Disconnected, Aloof, he stands only for one thing His Own Re Election...Bush may have been an idiot but $5.3 trillion in on the job training and we cannot even get this man to participate.

Leaders are born and being elected does not make you become one.

Win The Future, Move Forward, Hope and Change empty slogans from an empty suit.

I thought the left was all about protecting human life?

Obama said something along the lines of Gaddafi's lost the Gvmnt and should step down. ( I'm not going to google it to get the exact thing he said ) basically said Gaddafi's is done.

Obama's intelligence chief said that Gaddafi was going to win over the rebels and he is censored by the White house for not being on the same page. Something like, those words should of been said behind closed doors, not in open Congress.

SO Everything Obama and company have said, supports the rebels.. We have seen reports of the ancient planes Gaddafi has under his control bombing their own people. WHY, if Obama supports the rebels, does he not put up a fly zone? Your answer is in the article... Russia and China..

I get that we don't want the USA to get sucked in to another war. However, it seems wrong to let Gadhafi slaughter his people. Someone has to stop this and bring Gadhafi to justice. I'd like to see Obama be more vocal in encouraging the international community to do more in Libya. It would be nice if the Arab League, the UK and EU would take the lead for a no-fly zone. Someone needs to put the Mad Dog down.

Also our "allies", Bahrain, Yemen and the Saudi's are committing similar crimes aganst humanity, although not to the same magnitude (YET). It feels like the USA is impotent in the Middle East.

You could join Mccain and his merry band of warmongerers in the ME...pick a country to help...there's plenty

On Libya, too many questions

By George F. Will

Tuesday, March 8, 2011

Today, some Washington voices are calling for U.S. force to be applied, somehow, on behalf of the people trying to overthrow Moammar Gaddafi. Some interventionists are Republicans, whose skepticism about government's abilities to achieve intended effects ends at the water's edge. All interventionists should answer some questions:

• The world would be better without Gaddafi. But is that a vital U.S. national interest? If it is, when did it become so? A month ago, no one thought it was.
• How much of Gaddafi's violence is coming from the air? Even if his aircraft are swept from his skies, would that be decisive?
• What lesson should be learned from the fact that Europe's worst atrocity since the Second World War - the massacre by Serbs of Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica - occurred beneath a no-fly zone?
• Sen. John Kerry says: "The last thing we want to think about is any kind of military intervention. And I don't consider the fly zone stepping over that line." But how is imposing a no-fly zone - the use of military force to further military and political objectives - not military intervention?
• U.S. forces might ground Gaddafi's fixed-wing aircraft by destroying runways at his 13 air bases, but to keep helicopter gunships grounded would require continuing air patrols, which would require the destruction of Libya's radar and anti-aircraft installations. If collateral damage from such destruction included civilian deaths - remember those nine Afghan boys recently killed by mistake when they were gathering firewood - are we prepared for the televised pictures?
• The Economist reports Gaddafi has "a huge arsenal of Russian surface-to-air missiles" and that some experts think Libya has SAMs that could threaten U.S. or allies' aircraft. If a pilot is downed and captured, are we ready for the hostage drama?
• If we decide to give war supplies to the anti-Gaddafi fighters, how do we get them there?
• Presumably we would coordinate aid with the leaders of the anti-Gaddafi forces. Who are they?
• Libya is a tribal society. What concerning our Iraq and Afghanistan experiences justifies confidence that we understand Libyan dynamics?
• Because of what seems to have been the controlling goal of avoiding U.S. and NATO casualties, the humanitarian intervention - 79 days of bombing - against Serbia in Kosovo was conducted from 15,000 feet. This marked the intervention as a project worth killing for but not worth dying for. Would intervention in Libya be similar? Are such interventions morally dubious?
• Could intervention avoid "mission creep"? If grounding Gaddafi's aircraft is a humanitarian imperative, why isn't protecting his enemies from ground attacks?
• In Tunisia and then in Egypt, regimes were toppled by protests. Libya is convulsed not by protests but by war. Not a war of aggression, not a war with armies violating national borders and thereby implicating the basic tenets of agreed-upon elements of international law, but a civil war. How often has intervention by nation A in nation B's civil war enlarged the welfare of nation A?
• Before we intervene in Libya, do we ask the United Nations for permission? If it is refused, do we proceed anyway? If so, why ask? If we are refused permission and recede from intervention, have we not made U.S. foreign policy hostage to a hostile institution?
• Secretary of State Hilary Clinton fears Libya becoming a failed state - "a giant Somalia." Speaking of which, have we not seen a cautionary movie - "Black Hawk Down" - about how humanitarian military interventions can take nasty turns?
• The Egyptian crowds watched and learned from the Tunisian crowds. But the Libyan government watched and learned from the fate of the Tunisian and Egyptian governments. It has decided to fight. Would not U.S. intervention in Libya encourage other restive peoples to expect U.S. military assistance?
• Would it be wise for U.S. military force to be engaged simultaneously in three Muslim nations?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/08/AR2011030803149.html

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I think that Mr. Will has covered the Question much better than I ever could.

WWW111 I believe means World Wide War? and the 111 is 2+109. didn't you ever do the 1 - 2 - skip a few... so it would be WWideWI + II + skip a few CXI <-- 111 in roman numerals. That being said, I am with the let's not get involved crowd on this one, even if we know nothing of roman numerals or how many W's are in World War. At least we know how to spell insults to people, that disagree with us on the means by which to achieve the same ends as us, correctly... ... ... oh come on!! she spelled tea bagger wrong?.. I give up!!

But still I'm all for not getting involved in another quagmire like that boondoggle Afghanistan(those are 2 of my most favorite words mind you). Why do we need to spend American money, lives, and recourses on a people that is a few months away from hating us and using our resources against us once we leave. What is it they say about history? Those that forget it are doomed to repeat it? History that is.

Bev - looks like you've picked up another troll who follows you every where! LOL

Funny how the same people whining about us having a smaller government, still expect our government to be big enough to babysit other countries.

Read what the constitution says about a standing army. Support for a no-fly-zone in Libya, is unconstitutional.

Once again President Obama has failed to answer the call; I hope the people of Iran are watching, because if they try to rise up we will let a Dictator slaughter them just like we have done in Libya.

Chris: You got it right: "Your comments are creating a wave of embarrassment compounded by your ignorance. Start thinking on your own, please." Feisty and Bev seem to me to be paid Dem posters that are given talking points and then blast everyone that disagrees with them. I'm not on here a lot but the two of them stand out as early posters (they have to earn that paycheck from the Dems) that don't have their facts straight and are quick to name-call. If they're not paid and they just live on this website - so sad! They really need to get a life!

Leaders are born and being elected does not make you become one.

I absolutely love that line. Well said.

So Bev,

Who told you about the Koch Bothers and turned them into a talking point? It was about two weeks ago... Cause I will be honest with you, untill you Lefties started spouting their names in reference to everything that is unholy I had no clue who they were.

Just trying to figure out exactly who pulls your strings.. Be it another leftie here on 1st read, or a specific news source. Though I highly doubt you will answer the question.

Do you people in Illinois ever work or do you just suck off the teet of what few taxpayers you have left? Eventually, your state will run out of money and won't be able to borrow due to a poor credit rating. Better brush up on your resume writing and interviewing skills. You may actually have to get real jobs.

"Feisty and Bev seem to me to be paid Dem posters"

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They obviously don't have other jobs... They must be on Gov welfare.

bev (post 1.20) - I know you are better than that, settle down or take your meds.

Fiesty, fiesty, fiesty - you hit the nail right on the head...

You know you've won the argument when the other side resorts to being the 'spelling' police!

It is simply amazing at the arguments you and your Chihuahua gang have lost by playing spelling or grammar police. lmao!!

Who told you about the Koch Bothers and turned them into a talking point? It was about two weeks ago... Cause I will be honest with you, untill you Lefties started spouting their names in reference to everything that is unholy I had no clue who they were.

Well then Jeremy I guess it's a good thing you know who they are now, afterall, they are the ones pulling the strings that affect your future as well as their bought and paid for politicians that you so clearly love. You would think that one would be aware of who is buttering their bread so to speak, but then again the right has never been all that interested in knowing the facts, just how to whine the loudest.

Obama tells Gaddafi - Time for you to go.......

Kinda reminds me about that time he went to peddle having the Olympics in the U.S.

Funny how the world that was supposed to love us because he got elected ignores his demands.

The silence from the Barry administration on what to do about Libya is deafening. He sure can keep his mouth shut when he does not have a clue on what to do next. Which seems to be happening a lot lately.

we didnt get SUCKED into any wars in the middle east, bush the moron dragged us into a war that he created the drama for.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with democrats that we should stay the hell out of this.

WHY, if Obama supports the rebels, does he not put up a fly zone? Your answer is in the article... Russia and China..

Actually it's the entire UN security council (USA, Russia, China, England and France...if I remember correctly). What I did find interesting is the bit about a possilbe NATO resolution. If you remember Kosovo, the UN did not sanction military involvement, but Bill really wanted that war so he strongarmed NATO into calling for it.

I hope that the US stands firm regardless of what NATO or the UN say. If they resolve to enforce a no fly zone...fine, let the UN go hire some soldiers, buy some planes and do it then. Quit looking to the American taxpayer to protect your (Europe's) oil supplier.

Do you people in Illinois ever work or do you just suck off the teet of what few taxpayers you have left?

Saw the migration numbers from Illinois did ya Waterdog? It's going to get worse too....with the new spend-tax-spend-tax democratic governor we got (thanks for the 66% tax hike democrats).

Either Bev and Feisty are so rich they don't care about taxes or they pay none at all like the rest of the welfare recipients in this state

drano-2462756

Who told you about the Koch Bothers and turned them into a talking point? It was about two weeks ago... Cause I will be honest with you, untill you Lefties started spouting their names in reference to everything that is unholy I had no clue who they were.

Well then Jeremy I guess it's a good thing you know who they are now, afterall, they are the ones pulling the strings that affect your future as well as their bought and paid for politicians that you so clearly love. You would think that one would be aware of who is buttering their bread so to speak, but then again the right has never been all that interested in knowing the facts, just how to whine the loudest.

You know I can say exactly the same the same thing you said, and replace Koch brothers, with Geroge Soros and it would still be factual. I could say the same thing and again replace Koch Brothers with Unions and it would again be factual..

Though you didnt answer my quesion. Who was it that pointed to the Koch Brothers a few weeks ago that turned them into a leftist talking point? You get your marching orders from someone, just trying to figure out who pulls YOUR string. Since I highly doubt that the likes of Bev, Fistey and yourself knew about the Brothers before someone used them as a talking point.

Do you really believe the President of the United States has not made a call, had conversation and weighed in one the situation in Libya? When things play out in the media the gripe turns to the President politicizing everything. Now that decisions that have to do with national defense are being handled discretely, the complaint is the President is not leading. If leading is landing on an aircraft carrier and announcing mission accomplished while my brothers and I are still on the ground, I'll pass.

Some individuals refuse to support our current President regardless of his actions.

Good thing we aren't going to spend tax dollars to help prevent people from getting slaughtered. That would just be a waste of money. We are better off spending it on bailouts for banks and other too big to fail companies.

As a staunch Republican that believed in going into Afghanistan and Iraq was necessary at the time, I say we do not go into Libya, Egypt or any other country in the MiddleEast as the Sunni and Shiites are in a Religious Civil War. I don't like how President Obama is trying to play both sides. It only shows his weakness.

This Religious Civil War has been going on for some time now and we finally have been shown the light with the world's most recent events like Shiites bombing Sunni and vice versa in Iraq. With the Jihad in Afghanistan bombing their own people to implement Sharia Law. With the Sunni Saudis going into Bahrain for the Sunni King against the Shiite rebellion.

To be on one side or the other is not an option and neither is trying to play both sides. We don't need their oil as we have our own oil and gas and should be using it today.

We need to let them decide their own fate and when one side wins if they decide to be our friends, then let it be so. If not our friends, then we will know they are our enemies.

This is the time to allow these people to fight their war and have a clear victor. It's been coming for 1500 years when Mohammad died. This is a war about Religious Leadership succession.

Quite frankly, I cannot believe the United States would even consider another war. While we are at it, let's get our military out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Our soldiers are tired, mentally and physically exhausted. Yes, they signed up for the military but, no war has lasted this long. Well, no American war!

It appears the big boys on Wall Street, are worried about a sell-off and possible crash. Since I have already lost my 403b, I would not be affected, (anymore.) I would love to see, the Koch bros. loose every last cent of their wealth. Along with about 400 other billionaires. I would give them a job. Since the snow has melted, I need to scoop the dog poop, in my back yard. I'd give them 5 cents a turd. If they were unionized, I would give them a buck for each fecal deposit. GO WISCONSIN!

Wake up: Do you really think a no-fly zone is going to defeat Khadaffi? Obama is a smarter than that--

And Bev proves me right...

"It's time for Gaddafi to go."

"The noose is getting tighter"

Ya'see Obama, you just can't go running around saying these things without backing it up. Leaders in other nations take note of your rhetoric without any action, and they're starting to figure out what we here in the USA already know, you're full of crap.

But at least Gitmo is closed.

Go where?

The guillotine! Thats one that can be brought back for this slime ball. Or, even better, how bout a big fat guy with a black hood and a giant axe, sometimes it took a few swings to get the job done.

.I am not a war monger.......But....it is beneath American principals to stand by and let a tyrant massacre his people..................Forget a UN resolution, it is not a requirement, America and most of the free world recognize the interim government, not Gadhafi as the official government, and it is up to them, not the UN, to give permission to create a no-fly zone, even so far as allowing participant planes, SAMs and radar being based in and around Benghazi. Other than logistic support no boots on the ground are necessary.

All the anti-aircraft defenses under Gadhafis' control are in and around Tripoli,.... so.... why not establish a longitudinal no-fly zone just east of Tripoli out of rage of Gadhafis' air defenses and let the French and British who have offered, patrol the skies with America providing the logistic support........Best way to level the playing field for the Rebels an minimal risk

Baumgartner, you are right. One doesn't have to be clarevoyant to see that waiting for the UN to get its act together and get aid to the revolutionaries will result in their being wiped out by Ghadaffi. Everyone recognizes the Benghazi "government" as rightful and they have asked for help. A C-123 full of armored vehicles, anti-tank guns, and perhaps a few helicopters would be able to land at Benghazi. Pilots for the helocopters? Maybe among the defected Libyan air force people?

If we fiddle around waiting for "legal" approval from the world, the rebellion will be put down and this dicatator will have won. He will then thumb his nose at the world and continue to sell us his oil

Cinclods You said it for me. it is a mistake for the Obama administrtion to give up its power to the

UN. And have you heard anything about the Dutch? That a Dutch military plane to land in

Tripoli. Unconfirmed but I heard it. Phyllis

..Yes Cinclodesfuscus.............Americans so deplore 'genoside' but sit by and watch one materialize before their eyes........Once Gadhifi regains control, he will hunt down everyone suspected of opposing him and have them executed, then Americans will protest, "oh how awful!".........This situation is not about war from Americas' perspective, it is about humanity and protecting a people from a tyrant........yes....we should provide the rebels with capable weapons, including helocopters and air cover, and if they do not have capable pilots, they can hire war tested mercenaries like Gadhafi has.........This thing needs to be addressed quickly, something the UN and Washington are not capable of.........The Libyian interim government is the recognized government and they have given there permission for a no-fly zone........the debate of whether it is legal, is over, time for action

Phyllis.............Yes......I also heard Gadhafi is allowing a Dutch military plane to land at Tripoli to recover the three Dutch marines, their helocopter and a Dutch diplomat that was captured by Gadhafi forces while attempting a rescue mission of the Dutch diplomat..........This really has nothing to do with the revolution, just a gesture on the part of Gadhafi to gain sympathy for his cause

For all of you calling for American action and intervention in another middle eastern country I have one question.

At what cost?

The military does not save lives in war time, we take them in great amounts. If American troops or American firepower is used in Libya the death toll would triple within a week. Calling for air cover for a untrained militia in enemy territory is just asking for our pilots to be shot down. I don't care how great a pilot you have if they are not deploy properly they chances for mission accomplishment are slim. We have to stop putting our warriors in no win situations. If we don't plan on making a colony out of Libya we need to leave it alone. Let the U.N. do what it is supposed to do. Enough American lives have been spent overseas.

For all of you who are calling on military intervention I'd like to know which one(s) of you are in the military, be it active duty or reserves, and if you're not in the military then when are you going down to enlist?

War hawks do love to TALK LOUD but they rarely back that up with personal action. You war hawks seem perfectly ready to commit someone elses loved one in the name of your personal principal and then turn around and cry about how many lives the President lost or how much money we spent on some middle east country.

Gadaffi, Kadaffi, or however you spell his name just didn't turn into a ruthless dictator overnight. He's been at this along time. Just because the spotlight is on his actions now the war hawks are ready to GET ER DONE!

You really want military intervention into Libya? Are you willing to pay for the costs with at WAR TAX? Are you willing to back your call with personal action by enlisting in the military? If not, then you you're just another LOUDMOUTHED, WAR LOVING IDIOT willing to sacrifice someone over your ideology.

And just so you know, I served already and believe me once you've seen the reality up close and personal you think twice before calling for another fellow American to experience it.

Al,

Exactly, repeal the tax cuts for the top bracket to pay for it. I bet the Republicans would be howling from the rooftops because war deficit spending is perfectly okay. But it is not okay to deficit spend to try to help this country and its people. I still do not fathom that line of thinking. I just do not think we need to be in another military operation. It is worn thin as it is. Let the UN and Europe take the lead on this. Must we stick our nose into everything. Tell McCain to take his lead some place else.

Let's face it. Barry won't take any military action against his people of Muslim origin. We can see that time and again. Know why? America is the Big Satan. The big bad wolf who has many times done bad things against the other smaller nations.

Your statement is ridiculous, even John McCain said that the President is not Muslim during the campaign. Stop with the twisting of truth. If you have an argument to make, at least let it be based on fact, not your undereducated opinion.

Al.. Al... come on Al.. tax the rich? oh no, heaven forbid.. they're out there creating jobs remember..no no no, don't tax the rich ! like Leona Helmsley once said, rich people don't pay taxes, little people pay taxes.

Congress can declare war. So why is the Congress not out in front on this issue?

ltjd.angle- Spoke like a true Teabagger.

Most of our money is spent on Medicare, Medicaid, and SS, so the cuts you suggest would keep adding to the debt.

The top 1% earn more than the bottom 50% added up, and they pay far less of a TOTAL percentage of what they earn.

The reality is we should tax the top 2% on every dollar earned at somewhere between 35%-50% rate including capital gains, salary, bonuses, and inheritances over 5 million.

Then we should look at extending the age of SS for everyone under 50 years old by a couple of years, along with cuts to other programs including Defense.

Also if we can require a rapist or pedophile to be castrated, why can we not tell women who have had child after child removed from the home for neglect and abuse, and men who breed like rats and take no responsibility sterilized? At the very least allow Federal funds to be spent for a legal procedure like abortions? We have to get the taxpayer off the hook for those that make one bad decision after another, and the child should not be the one who pays.

OR simply how about cutting Federal funding to all those Red Welfare States? Funny how it is the states with GOP leadership that receive far more money from the Federal Government than they ever pay into the system, it is the Red states that typically have the worst education systems, and whose fat uneducated population lead the nation in Type II diabetes.

Salt Grass, the last time Congess declared war was World War II. Since then we've gone to war in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq (twice), and Afghanistan. In my opinion all of these wars are and were illegal because there was no declaration of war by Congress. I'd also like to point out that the last time we won a war hands down was the last war declared by Congress...

pirates life for me - How strange...

Our top income tax rate already meets your minimum requirements, although congressional and presidential approved deductions does make it less.

You completely forgot about the military as also being a dig part of the budget. Must be that navt blood in you, arrrgh! although you seem to have included it later on.

Why sterilize just men? Why not women also?

Hmmmm... Spend federal $$$ for abortions because "the child should not be the one who pays"

Funny how it is the states with GOP leadership that receive far more money from the Federal Government than they ever pay into the system, it is the Red states that typically have the worst education systems, and whose fat uneducated population lead the nation in Type II diabetes.

quite a mouthful there pirate life, sounds like your crew locked you in the rum cellar for a might to long.

..Though I agree with a repeal of tax cuts for the rich, I do not agree with the rest of your post, air cover, not support are what is needed, it is the intimidation of the planes and bombs, plus eyes in the sky that currently give Gadhifs' forces a huge advantage, take that away and the rebels will be able to launch counter attacks without Gadhfi having prior knowledge..........You also have to remember Gadhafis' front line is a long way (at least 600 miles) from supplies, and he is already having a tough time resupplying front line troops, without his planes to provide cover, the rebels will be able to disrupt those supply lines and bring the advance to a hault

Pirate's Life for Me...

Easy there. The reason is because there is so much institutionalized poverty in the Red States. Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em religious, keep 'em without hope and we won't have to give them anything. More for the rich.

My favorite "joke" or comment in the last few days: a rich person, a tea partier and a poor person are sitting a table. someone comes by then puts down 20 cookies. The rich person immediately takes 19, then says to the tea-partier, "hey you'd better watch out for that poor person. They are trying to take half your cookie.

Didn't cut anything, they're both Muslims. Show me one instant where Barry has taken any action against Muslims in the world.

Juven,

The President has ordered more drone attacks than W. Bush did. Also, anyone like you who says that the President is Muslin is a proven IDIOT, that doesn’t know the facts.

@juvenBachan, you are an idiot. No SANE person will buy you load of BS

Job1,

JuvenBachan is not right in the head. Why do you answer a begged question? Why would we want to attack anyone for being Muslim? Americans don't want that. They want us to focus on helping our own and quit policing the world. I'm all for that.

@ Juvan & Richard, I just wanted to add my 2 cents. you both sound like idiots. also Juvan, I have a feeling you are a teabagger. you seem to have the mental requirements.

Hi Ana,

I agree. Thanks

Job1

Hi Ana,

I agree. Thanks

Job1

I am just glad he stop posting about this shovel he thinks the President is carrying around to scoop up America.

He has to be a mental patient, obsessive compulsive disorder, I would say because he says the same dump things over and over.

Notice he never even provides anything substantive; not even a link which would indicate he could do something else.

Juven is caught up in his own repetive weakness.

Hi Bev,

Amen to that.

Is it Richard or dick?

Job1 - hmmmm... sounds like you are promoting obama to be a war monger, along with (may I assume) bush, right. Hope you include bill clinton in that category as well, contracting hits during his presidency as well.

Golly bev - obama never mentioned promoting "shovel ready jobs"? that wouldn't be revising history would it?

Bush blundered with Iraq? These revolutions wouldn't be happening in the Middle East if they didn't see Iraq, with all it's horrible problems, at least have the freedom to decide their own fate. Our strategic goal in Iraq was to enhance U.S. security, but only by establishing a stable Iraq that can co-exist with its neighbors. Not to plunder their goods. Just to set up a government that wouldn't be in a constant state of war with its neighbors, and who would gas its own people. Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Bahrain, and others, God love them, want to be more like Iraq! Thanks, Bush!

chris - thanks for a fresh viewpoint on iraq, bush and democracy.

Seems that the ball is in the UN's court on the subject of democracy and the populaces freedom to choose. The real question will be if the UN lives up to its charter.

And who leads the UN?

We do not need another war in the Middle East over oil.

Iraq is better off without Saddam, but with the rise of Iran was our national security enhanced by his removal? Probably not, and certainly not worth the cost in blood and money.

An Islamic State run democracy is not in our national security interest either. For that matter no religous state is in our national security interest, including Israel and the Vatican.

pirates life - oil???? How so?? Obama said it was for democracy, you know Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain, Libya, etc.

Freedom for whom? War lords and ayatollahs?

We stood up for freedom in Vietnam and that led to trade agreements.

Go USA-851295.." I don't often agree with Cohen but this time he is dead on. You see, Cohen's daughter, Theodora was on Pam-Am Flight 103 that Gaddafi had shot down."

Is that what it takes for a liberal/progressive/democrat to get on the right/correct side of an issue ?? It has to hit them in their Family ??

When a Liberal Democrat Senator has their child raped and killed by an illegal alien....they'll find a new urgency to close the border ??

When a Liberal Democrat House Member has their wife blown to bits in the next successful jihadist attack....that they'll be calling for racial profiling and will want Rep.King to dig deeper into Homegrown terrorists.???

When it looked like the rag-tag rebels were winning in Libya, Obama puffs up his chest and tells Moomar Gadfly to get out. Now that it is lookin more like Clan Gadafly..is steamrolling the opposition....The silence from Obama is deafening....

By next week they'll be nothing left to fly over....And the UN will have accopmlished its goal of having meeting after meeting and fly here and fly there...that by the time they finish all that....there's nothing for them to do......except go out and have a nice gourmet dinner at the finest of restaurants.

"...the diplomatic community moves too slow to react to rapid events in the world."

Yes, Obama is still voting 'Present.' If he waits long enough, the situation will take care of itself, in whichever way it does, and Obama can say: "I knew that. That's why I did what I did." That's what you get when you elect a community organizer/agitator.

Mary - how true. Obama does seem to be in a tremendous hurry to get domestice bills passed through.

Drag his heels on foreign policy but push hard with little debate or thought on domestic affairs.

You are wonderful guys. If he takes action he becomes a war monger. If he doesn't he's soft. So no matter what to do, he'll be wrong to your eyes. My position is this: The French and the British want to implement a no-fly zone, be my guest. I am fed up with this country taking up conflicts with another nations and then we end up portraying the bad guy in history. The English wanted to get rid of the Afghan problem, they shove it to the Russians and we then pick up the garbage. The French didn't want to manage Indochina and we ended up inheriting Vietnam. They want to take a position, be my guest, send the RAF and the FAF to Lybia and enforce it, but don't push our troops to more conflicts. We have plenty with the ones we're carrying right now.

Ah, another clueless keyboard commando. You obviously have absolutely no idea what is involved here, nor any idea of the cost involved.

You can't just fly in one day and shoot down the Libyan air force. Did you listen to what Secretary of Defense Gates had to say? No, I didn't think so, because you are so much more knowledgeable than he is.

You would have to identify and destroy all Libyan's command and control systems first and trust me, I have first hand knowledge about how difficult that is. And, let's just ignore the fact that while we are attempting to do that they may be shooting SAMs at us.

You would have to have extensive command and control assets overhead to coordinate all the activities, and that costs a great deal of $$$.

Plus it would be an act of war against a sovereign nation, But, hey no big deal.

So I have a suggestion for you. Why don't you stop rattling your little plastic sabre and go do something constructive like read a book, or watch the military channel. You just might learn something

Mike-The Air Scouts train every day for missions like this, the systematic suppression and destruction of enemy air defenses. And for the past sixty years our units in Europe have prepared to fly into higher concentrations of fighters and trip A than Libya can muster on its best day.

Furthermore there is already one carrier group lurking in the area, another combat air wing in Germany, two more on alert(they can be there in roughly a day, combat ready in a day), and the entire air power of NATO.

But you didn't think of any of that did you?

Mikeo,

Not sure what I would do in this situation. I do know that it would be hard to ignore pleas for help from fellow humans who are fighting to be free of a nasty dictator.

Since our military's job is take out command and control assets, and they seem to be very good at it, I believe that it would not be a big deal for them to get that done (especially in Libya with their antiquated air force).

The way I see it, it could turn out to be a good way to help be rid if yet another brutal dictator in an area of the world that could use fewer brutal dictators. Perhaps, in this situation, the small cost ($$$) would be worth the outcome?

Thinking aloud: And what do you think that is going to happen if by any chance they shoot down one of our planes? You're going to leave the pilot on the ground? Now sending a rescue mission to pick him/her up will imply that we're going to have to put the boots on the ground. And from there it will escalate. And if you are so naive as to think that they cannot shoot down of our planes, you're living in la-la-land.

Justice-Stop playing stupid. "Boots on the ground" is an accepted phrase for sending in major combat forces, not a rescue mission. Considering that since the end of Vietnam there have been less than a hundred American shoot downs(I can't think of fifty), and we have sent rescue missions after each and every pilot and accomplished many of these operations without ending up in the country with a few divisions.

I am not playing stupid thinking aloud. You assume that we're invincible (same stupid assumption we had in Nam, same stupid assumption that we have in Iraq, and same stupid assumption we have in Afghanistan). You know what? Let Nato handle this one out, why we have to get involved again? We get involved, the French and the Brits do an about face and then we look like idiots trying to cover their sorry asses, like we have been doing for the last 70 years. They propose and we go blazing guns in the air...

We're very good at bombing things. We've proved that over and over again. Libya's air force and air defenses are not a tenth of what Saddam could muster during Gulf War 1(Baghdad was considering the most heavily defended city in the world, surpass Moscow that among other things has dedicated nuclear ABM batteries).

I've never assumed we're invincible, I know we're better than the other guy and that's what counts. Will some American blood be shed? Of course, being a soldier is never what one considers a safe occupation. Will a few casualties be worth preventing a blood bath? Yes, yes it is.

Oh, really? You know what? Send the French and the Brits so they are killed. I want my troops home, they deserve a rest from going to two wars. The Italians have more interest in their relations with Lybia, send Italian troops. But, no... we have to spread our almighty so our defense contractors can keep rolling armament from their factories and keep the economy running. It does not matter if our troops die in the process. And no, I don't want anymore US casualties.

The single greatest number of American troops under my command I've lost was in a helicopter crash. It was a training accident in the Carolinas, very messy. Being a soldier is not a safe occupation.

Furthermore the British and French are very interested in helping out, but the United States is the expert when it comes to deploying an overwhelming amount of air power very quickly.

Thinking aloud: My fear is that the other two are going to do an about face and we're going to inherit another mess, and frankly, we cannot afford it. They want to help out? Good, take the lead, and let us be...

As of now the majority of combat aircraft actively engaged are French. And to be honest this operation will not continue for that long, a political settlement will spring up sometimes soon.

Did you ever consider how a no-fly zone being imposed over Libya and lead by the United States would look to the vast Middle Eastern community or what kind of logistics it would take to enforce?

not to mention that the people of Libya have no desire to have anything like past colonial rule overtake their government (either in qaddafi form or democracy)

Yeah, Sono it would look like it did in Kosovo, we help people regardless of Religion become free from dictators.

american...blahblahblah.. where the hell does the colonial rule come into play? We have not taken control of any country to take their riches.

If we get any oil out of Iraq after we finally leave we will pay for it and that is not the definition of colonialism!

Think of the good will, "passive" American support for a movement popular amongst the vast majority of citizen in the Middle East.

Oh...the horror.

Yeah, Sono it would look like it did in Kosovo, we help people regardless of Religion become free from dictators.

That's fine, but I'd have to disagree in light of this being a completely different situation...one that is noticeably bereft of human genocide on a scale similar to the ethnic cleansing that occurred in Kosovo. This is a civil war between a dictator and civilian/military rebels and to be quite honest, I don't see anyone from the international community interfering at this point unless Chemical weapons are used or wide spread ethnic cleansing begins to take place.

What about the logistics of the no-fly zone, do you know what goes into that kind of operation when it would hypothetically cover such a vast area? It sounds easy on paper, but it's really quite complicated and costly to actually undertake.

So we sit idly by and passively support the dictator. So we have become inept as a world leader we can't pull it off because the great sono says it can't be done. Reminds me of the argument the idiot ultra liberals use about drilling. "CAN'T DRILL BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TEN YEARS TO GET ANY OIL OUT OF THE GROUND'. Here we are 20 years later and we still are not drilling and the price of gas is sky rocketing.

We stood by when Hungry was being taken over and they were under the thumb of the Soviet Union for decades.

We stood by when Hitler threatened the world and we ended up with more casualties that may have been if we acted sooner.

By the Constitution only congress can declare war.

Salt Grass. I take your point about declaring war and everything, but how come America has been at war somewhere since 1945, without declaring war? Not saying involvement wasn't necessary on most occasions, but wouldn't you be way better off if you declared war instead of getting your finest youth killed & wounded for little or no gain? As it turns out.

Ghost-In some manner or form the United States has been involved in combat for its entire history. Most of that time we did not bother to declare war.

Obama loves to talk the talk (or read the teleprompter), but he can't walk the walk!

The anti Obama crowd here would be critical if he did implement a no fly zone. I will stand by my statements that for the USA to get out in front on this issue would a losing gamble. Even if Obama does propose a no fly zone, I stand by my statements.

I do not dispute your statements at all. I dispute President Obama's statements. Those statements of his should ever have been made if he planned to do nothing. It makes him look weak in front of the whole world.

Mary, seeing as how GWB could barely speak the English language taking shots at Obama for his perceived public speaking problems puts your ignorance on display! It is no secret that the last two presidents who showed remarkable intellect and a true talent for public speaking are Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama. Yeah Reagan could speak, but he didn't lie very well and so everyone knew when he was reading the stars. Anyhow, stop watching Fox News and educate yourself - you sound like every other tea bag half whit that thinks Glen Beck has given them a graduate level education.

read between the lines - interesting that you brought up reagan. Reagan spoke well enough to make the soviets believe America had an effective "star wars" system when we didn't.

Obama spoke well enough on "shovel ready jobs", "laser focus" and business is bad for America in 2009-2010 only to see him switch tactics by sayind after the Nov 2010 elections that business is now good and we need to extend tax credits to them as well as turning over to business the task of creating jobs. Something the conservatives always knew, but the left denouncing business and bankers evil (at least by many FR libs here on FR).

US, and the whole world is and will be paying for inaction in Libya. just look at the recent prices of gas at your pump station. The ones who are short sighted like horses with blinkers on can only see one way. To let the mastermind killer Ghaddafi of Lockerbie bombing and the current genocide currently displayed as if it's an action movie WILL come back to haunt everyone.

Although I am glad the administration has decided not getting involved in this one, I have to agree with dnimerick. Why make such statements if your not going to follow through with them? I've had an "in or out" attitude about this whole situation. Either we should get "in" and impose a no-fly zone, or we should get "out" and sit on the sidelines for this one, but this half in-half out position that our government has been taking up until now has been frustrating as all crap! Talking big and bad, but not really doing anything. Either let your words follow your actions or let your actions coincide with your words. I only really supported the idea of a no fly zone if it meant the rebels could take over their own country and establish a new government anyway, which now it doesn't look like that would ever have happened.

At last the US government picked a side of the "door" to be on: "out". Our relations with Lybia are now done, fin, finneto, finished. We're not getting any more oil or anti-terrorism support from them no matter which way this plays out, so we need to drop the artificially inflated gas prices and get on with our lives. This whole time the administration has been posteuring and talking big has been nothing but as waste of time and money. The US gov has thouroughly dropped the ball on this one, even though they made the right decision, they dropped the ball. How? They should never have made it look like we were going to get involved in the first place, that's how.

Now we need to focus on helping Japan, who is an economic powerhouse that actually likes us, and is our greatest Asian ally.

You guys are making stupid ASSumptions about what Obama meant with his comments about Gadhafi. Case in point:

I saw 2 homeless dudes fighting each other the other day, and I said to my friend "The fat one's about to go down, it's his time for him to go. It's only a matter of time". We watched the fight, the fat guy won when he shot the other guy in the head with an RPG. But nobody called me a pu$$y for not intervening in the fight I didn't give two $hits about in the first place.

Only stupid cavemen jocks speak like it's important to follow up your s**t talking with a punch to the head. Grow up.