Paul-977599

The time has come for complete and total transparency in the Senate. Every freaking word spoken between any of them amongst themselves and anyone else should be required to be recorded and held in an archive available for public scrutiny.

Is Michelle Bachmann walking around aimlessly like a hypnotized zombie with her fraudulent 150 billion dollar sign she wants to attach to the bill? That would interesting to see.

You know in order to represent her t-bagger caucus she has to carry a sign.

I heard her say she wants it given back to the people so she will attach it to the bill.

Your spelling is slipping Beverly but I'm thinking more in the lines of 200 Billion. But then again I actually looked at the federal budget and specific contracts. We do not need duplicate federal departments who do not even communicate with each other costing us billions doing the SAME job. We also do not need some of those IT contracts where we are paying three times as much then we should be.

Gee beverly what a worthless post, repeat what paul says and say nothing of value afterwords. How sad.

No real input Feisty? I thought so.

fiesty - change your diaper then or quit dragging it across the floor. Geezz!

She hadn't finished.

Awe Feisty you mean like YIPO reneging on GITMO? LOL

Jake J

Your spelling is slipping Beverly but I'm thinking more in the lines of 200 Billion. But then again I actually looked at the federal budget and specific contracts. We do not need duplicate federal departments who do not even communicate with each other costing us billions doing the SAME job. We also do not need some of those IT contracts where we are paying three times as much then we should b

Un huh, I'm thinking you memory has failed. Nothing in the bill was hidden since funding begins in the House it was read. And the bill was online for 3 days.

Continue to let that zombie hypnotize you and american.

You have been duped like most low information t-baggers.

If you take away the insults Feisty literally has nothing else to offer.

Bev., in addition to spewing insults, is also a star at cutting and pasting to MoveOn and Media Matters. So, also nothing of substance to offer.

But for god's sake don't be too mean to them or they might stop. And what would the world be like [and that of course is the finite world of MSNBC] without them? I don't know, but it sure would be far less amusing.

All right old gals - prove us all wrong a dazzle us with you insight and intelligence. Feisty that means a post with no insults or booze references, and Bev. not cuts or pastes.

Now get to it!

Fiesty - *queue the circus music* I can smell the elephant cr@p from here...

Could be you are the one producing it all.

The same can be said for the Republicans posting on this board Spanky. If Not for the Lies, then they'd have nuttin to say.

BTW, doncha have a Business to run, or is that business, Internet Monitoring of left leaning websites?

When will the GOP admit that Bush/Cheney kept everything Off the Books, just so they could say, they did'nt Run the defecit/debt up astronomically?

When will the GOP admit that they did'nt give a RATSA$$ about Our kids & Grandkids haveing to payoff future debt, when Going to War on Lies in Iraq or Medicare Part D just for VOTES?

When they admit such things, maybe Progress will be made, but not until then!

Hey Spanky, keep the insults - they are funny childlike responses I haven't heard since grade school. As for the balance of the retort, well, in it not relevant to the discussion.

Feisty, perhaps you need to move from UNDER the elephant to avoid the spills that create the odor you smell.

No Fiesty, you are a progressive/liberal, don't insult democrats. You never have anything good to say or any real input to the discussion. Just repeat after Maddow. And just for your information, you may want to look up who exactly stopped your President from closing GITMO. It was a bipartisan thing. Don't you get tired of the lies from this administration?

Feisty don't you mean donkey not elephant? YIPO Young Inexperienced President Obama, I know above your pay grade. I was just wondering why the liberal left is not all mad about GITMO? Listen I am not an Obama fan because I think he is clueless and really off track with the American people, to clarify that middle America as a whole. What bothers me most is the man stands before his followers and lies, lies and lies some more, when caught he is never accountable. Listen we barely made it through Bush, lets not do the same. As the days go on there really isn't that much difference between Obama and Bush.

I would be willing to bet if you and I sat down like two grown adults we could hammer out a budget that would work. Why, because we have the best interest of the American people and our country and not some porch sitter with their hands out or Big Business with their hands out. We could careless about the Unions, lobbyest and God know who else is buying these politicans.

Beverly - seems that your post went to zombieland or do you consider yourself above reproach?

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

In the meantime, it WAS the righties who fought closing GITMO tooth & nail, now they have the audacity to demand WHY isn't it closed already!

I am surprised that you are suprised. That is their way. It's kind of like the Republicans asking why we continue to outsource jobs when every single one of them voted against the bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to create American jobs and to prevent the offshoring of such jobs overseas.

I must admit; it takes b@lls to block something and then point blaming fingers....

rick in ky - how sad will it be when your kids realize that all you did about our countries debt was to keep on spending, dwell in the past and parked your azz down doing nothing but whine.

Lynn-300649

I am not an Obama fan because I think he is clueless

You are absolutely right that he is not as experienced as George W. was because unlike our GWB, Obama has not bankrupted 2 companies and a country. That is a great experience! He also does not have a great businessman for a VP like ex-VP Cheney who was excellent at directing all no-bid contract to his company that made a nice profit for him and his buddies. Also, Obama is not as good as the Bush/Cheney duo at using public fears to push through their agendas (Iraq=9/11 terrorists, Iraq=WMD).

Here are other statistics that GWB "earned" as the governor of Texas (state ranking):

Number of executions, #1

Greenhouse gas emissions, #1

Pollution released by manufacturing plants, #1

Highest homes insurance rates in the nation, #1

Highest % of children without health insurance, #1

Highest % of poor working parents without insurance, #1

Highest number of people stripped of Medicare benefits, #1

Highest % of population without health insurance, #2

Highest teen birth rate, #5

Teacher salaries at beginning of 1st term , #36

Teacher salaries at beginning of 2nd term, #38

Home ownership, #44

SAT scores - 1996 combined math & verbal: 995, #44

SAT scores - 1998 combined math & verbal: 995, #44

Child support collections, #45

Mothers receiving prenatal care, #45

Public libraries and branches, #46 (isn't his wife a librarian?????)

Spanky-

Bev., in addition to spewing insults, is also a star at cutting and pasting to MoveOn and Media Matters. So, also nothing of substance to offer

Look ole dude,

Do you think your sixty million queries are substantiative?

bayllie

Who controlled Congress in October of 2009? If you can answer that question you will know who blocked spending for the closing of GITMO. You and Fiesty should get together and attend some night classes to catch up on current events. But you might be very upset if you actually learned the truth.

Your list of Bush is real cute. Did you think of that all by yourself? And please remember that all the democrats talked about WMD's while Clinton was in office and then they just forgot about them when Bush mentioned them. Clueless libs are scarey.

Lynn, in case you are not satisfied here are more from the great GWB resume that screams experience:

Delivery of social services, #47

Spending for police protection, #47

Spending for the arts, #48

High school completion rate, #48

Best place to raise children, #48

Spending for parks and recreation, #48

Per capita funding for public health, #48

Spending for the environment, #49

Teacher salaries plus benefits, #50

Teen smoking - down nationally, flat in Texas,

Teen drug use - down nationally, up 30% in Texas

Lynn, you must be sooooooooo proud!

bayllie: Here are other statistics that GWB "earned" as the governor of Texas (state ranking):

You forgot to source your copy-and-paste. Here let me help you:

Source: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1885887&mesg_id=1887177

And how'd Obama do as governor of Illinois? Oh, wait, . . . . . .

Well, at least Obama will hold the record for U.S. deficits (Holds the top 3 deficits if his 2012 budget gets passed) and will soon hold the most debt accumulated by one President record.

So-Called American, one thing my Kids Know Right Now is That I aint No Damn HYPOCRIT! Can You say That with a Straight face? Somehow I kinda doubt it!

Dwelling on the past, Lies, Lies & More Lies, is that OK with You?

1 Trillion dollars for Saddams Pistol, over 4000 Dead Troops, countless Iraqis Dead, all Off the Books. The Past administartion RAPED our Economy & the Worlds Economy, & all we here from the likes of You, is Obammy, Teleprompters, Marxist, Communist, etc.

As i've posted before, when All you self-righteous Hypocrits come falling from the Skies with a Big THUMP, i'ma gonna walk over toya & say "I toldya what was gonna happen"!

Like I said, you & other's who think the same were'nt worried about My Kids or Your Kids(if you have any) when the Past administration was Ruining everything!

Spend somemore $$$ overseas, while yall Bitch & Moan about $$ for Headstart, Education, Highways, etc.Take your self-righteous BS & talk with with the rest of your Buddys about how yall tried to do whats Right, but OBAMMY Stopped ya.

BTW Feisty, keep swatting all these socalled Grownmen(some women) back to Reality. It Truly is COMICAL watching 1 Woman keep so many men Comein back for More!

You Betcha!

And how'd Obama do as governor of Illinois? Oh, wait, . . . . . .

Ummm... Last time I checked President Obama was NEVER Governor of IL!

Thanks for proving once again what an idiot you are JS1! LMFAO!

Hey safecracker - I believe it's a violation of the Newsvine COH to copy something and not give proper credit to the author!

It's referred to as plagerism, at least according to your right wing counterpart JS1.

Keep em coming will ya...?

JH,

let me spell this out to you. Lynn posted this:

Lynn-300649

Awe Feisty you mean like YIPO reneging on GITMO? LOL

which Feisty replied to Lynn that (I paraphrase) if Republicans wanted GITMO closed they should have voted YEAs, they didn't and now Lynn is claiming that Obama renaged. So.... we were not addressing the issue of WHO voted against Gitmo getting closed but the fact that Lynn is trying to point fingers at President Obama for something that the entire Senate voted against. Get the point?????

Your list of Bush is real cute. Did you think of that all by yourself?

no actually I did not -the information is out there; you just have to do a little search. I was also replying to Lynn's post about how important experience is (I even agreed with her!).

And please remember that all the democrats talked about WMD's while Clinton was in office and then they just forgot about them when Bush mentioned them.

there is a small difference between talking about it, and using false info to convince the Congress and the American people that it is a FACT. And I might be wrong but to say that Bush "mentioned" them is dimissing what really happened.

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons. George W. Bush September 12, 2002

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. George W. Bush January 28, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have. George Bush February 8, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. George Bush March 18, 2003

Couple of "mentioning" quotes for you.

Rick,KY..........

I like your style. Don't feed into the incessant ramblings of a few paid right wing posters here. They will inevitably call you names, insult your family and assert you are stealing from your employer. Because at the end of the day, that's all they got. Redirection, smoke and mirrors. Just like the republicants in Congress.

Americans need to give serious thought to where we are in this country right now. The debt and deficit are way out of control. We're spending ourselves into oblivion; the credit card is maxed out and yet our elected officials are still calling for more spending. Why? What could be their motive? Do they still not get it?

Our children and grandchildren will pay huge taxes to pay the interest on the debt and the money for social security, medicaid and medicare - well, it'll be gone if we don't make changes now... You know, Americans say they want better for their children than they had. Well do you or don't you?

Stop the madness; stop the spending. Call or e-mail your Senator today.

rick in ky - that's the best you got sweety? Don't have much respect for your POTUS do you?? Obammy imdeed!

And how'd Obama do as governor of Illinois? Oh, wait, . . . . . .

"Ummm... Last time I checked President Obama was NEVER Governor of IL!

Thanks for proving once again what an idiot you are JS1! LMFAO!"

I think that might have been the point of that sentence. You might have been able to gather this from the "Oh wait..." part of it, implying "Oh wait, he never was governor of IL, meaning he really had no experience."

But I can see how someone of your intellect might have missed that.

Joanna,

that is not the website that I got it from but thanks for spreading the message. That just mean that more people copy and paste that info so the more people that see it the better.

Well, at least Obama will hold the record for U.S. deficits (Holds the top 3 deficits if his 2012 budget gets passed) and will soon hold the most debt accumulated by one President record.

yes, there is no denying that our country is in $hit. it took 8 years to get here so I don't expect to improve in 2 years. until we stop spending $6-9 billion a month on a war and continue to allow businesses to pay 0% in taxes, we will be in $hit. when we continue to allow outsourcing AND reward companies with tax breaks and loopholes for doing so, we will be in $hit. Until we allow the gigantor companies to make bad investment decisions AND bail them out with taxpayers money, we will be in $hit. We gave away a $700 billion dollar check with no stings attached in 2008. We continued to ALLOW banks to continue business like nothing happened. Obama gave the choice to the failing automakers – take the money BUT fire the very person who made the decisions that brought you down to your knees or don’t take the money. They took the money and now they are doing better – what do you people do? Scream that Obama fired a CEO illegally. GM fired an incompetent employee. I guess we should continue to allow these huge companies to make bad bad decisions that brought this country (the most powerful country in the world) to its knees. Do you people want different or the same of the very policies that failed us?

Brutus - Thank you for taking the time to attempt to translate JoAnna's gibberish...

If it's all the same to you, I'll stick with my original observation, JoAnna's works of fiction are legendary around these parts...

Most Americans don't want another Gov't shutdown. If we really want to accomplish something maybe we should be e-mailing the Senate. They need to vote on both bills. Then shut themselves in a room and come up with a compromise. I will e-mail my Senator's right away.

bayllie: Do you people want different or the same of the very policies that failed us?

You tell us bayllie. Do you think running a $233 billion deficit in one month, last month, is the fiscally sound thing to do? Do you think submitting a 2012 budget with $1.65 trillion dollars of deficit spending is the correct thing to do? Do you think whining about $60 billion in cuts in 2011 spending for a budget of $3.5 trillion is the right thing to do? Or is that the "different" you support?

True American -

FYI, I debunked your "They won't post my link!" theory on the previous thread. I even re-posted your link for you. You're ever so welcome.

By the way, am I the only person on here wondering about this particular part of the story?:

"Republicans push back hard on that claim, saying the vote will happen -- either today or tomorrow -- but that the Senate has to finish a pending patent reform bill first."

Not the budget.....not jobs......we're holding things up over PATENT REFORM??????

Brian, I was Born a Democrat! So i've known for a longtime, that Republicans don't give a RatsA$$ about anyone but themselves. They aint Never done nothing for the Working Men & Women of America in all my years in this World. I've seen it 1st hand! When they try & talk Religon to me, i tellem where to go & how to get there. Self-Righteous BS aint never payed the bills & it Daum sure aint gonne getem where they wanna Go.

As you can tell, all they Holler about Now is How much $$ President Obama is using trying to Correct the Rape from the past administration! They should take Chicken George's advice & "Go Shopping".

JS1 is the best example on this board, she post Nonsense about where we Are, but Never says how we got here!

If anyone beleives her Nonsense, they need thier Heads examined!

lmfao...... When I saw the feisty/ elephant comparison I about choked....... Im betting he/she/it has a Calliope in the living room with a popcorn machine.

Joanne in Pa - chose to believe the following or not as I am sure if you do your own research the same conclusions will hold true.

There is quite the backlog at the patent office for filing patents so that the inventors will be protected while they bring their inventions to market. We are not talking weeks or month or two but much longer.

Many of these patents may just be the innovations needed for the private sector to create or maintain jobs. Remember obamas state of the union message about innovating?

If patent reform speeds up patent throughput go for it! Hurray for innovators!! Hurray for jobs!!

True American -

As I said.....it's on the previous thread (the Manchin one) where you first tried to post it - there's a working link to it at my post, #2.25.

Your courtesy is underwhelming.

American-2051576 -

I have nothing at all against patent reform that I know of. I'm just asking if it couldn't have waited another day or two.

So-Called TrueAmerican, it matters because the GOP when thier in control "Borrow & Spend" and nothing gets said from the SelfRighteous. Then when Democrats are in control & talk about what we haveta do to Fix it,"Raise Taxes to fix the previous problems", all your bunch hasta say is "We can't afford it now", so we need to CUT,CUT,CUT!

Did President Bush take the Chinese Credit card withem to Dallas?

O wait, the Oil in Iraq is gonna Pay for this mess! At least thats what Bush wanted us to beleive, OOps, My bad!

True American, are you Indian? Because the rest of us are Immigrants!

Want to save real money? Stop send billions overseas in military assistance to places like Egypt, Israel and Pakistan which we do every year.

Israel wants more for example:

"Defense Minister Barak said Israel might request an additional $20 billion in military assistance from the United States in order to prepare for possible threats, given the recent unrest in the Middle East.

If we're going to have allies, let have some that carn carry their own weight and pay their own bills.

How many troops and bases do we need in Europe? You think they're free? How many carrier task forces do we need to defend our border with Mexico?

How many billions in agricultural subsidies do we need need to pay agribusinesses and tobaco farmers?

The really big government bucks are going to the folks who bribe politicians with campaign contributions.

$200 billion in cuts? Totally doable. All it takes is politicians with guts who can think outside the box.

TA, what part of reducing the deficit over a period of years, so as not to destroy any economic recovery with swift and meaningless cuts, don't you understand exactly? Took Bush 8 long years to get us into this mess, give President Obama more than a couple of seconds to undo it, m...kay?

Why is it that the fiscal crisis that could have been avoided in the first place has to be solved yesterday, when it was yesterday that the republicans were enjoying the spending? Hypocrites. Every one of you.

So that's the Code

That's AWESOME PIM Thanks!

Now let's hope that american, John, Tuscon, jollyoldfart, safecracker, untrue american and the rest of the right wing 'do as I say NOT as I do club' get the memo!

Thanks again for sharing! ;o)

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Hey safecracker - I believe it's a violation of the Newsvine COH to copy something and not give proper credit to the author!

Well thank you for that information piece Feisty. New to this site I did not know that there were rules........it was not my intention to do an Obama and plagerise an article, I thought I would throw it out there for discussion. But in the future I will credit the author, as you do, lol.....

Now as to Item 1 in this code, are there double standards for you and others? When you go on your personal attacks on someone with opposing views, who do we all report your progressive civility to?

Are these the basic rules, or do additional rules of conduct appear anywhere? Also, to whom do we report violations to?

In case you're not aware... I'm a Democrat not an Elephant...

The correct thing to say is "In case you are not aware... I'm a jackass, not an elephant..."

I dont think you would hear much of argument.

Oh, I just got the memo right after I posted that so it starts...now.

Joanne in Pa - I understand and thanks for your reply.

I just hate it when someone comes up to me insisting that I stop doing something and to immediately do what they want me to do. I find it rather rude and pompous of the one demanding. Unless of course there is an immediate deadline involved. Again, thanks.

True American 2367375 rememeber why we had a stimulus,because ,lies from bush starting war with lies,no regulation over wall street .Obama pulled us out the best he could.And i don't care how many times you repeat a lie it's still a lie.Don't be fooled by talk shows,fox news that canada won't allow them to come to their country because of the lies they spout thanks to ronald regan 1987 changes to fcc laws.Republicans have cost us so many rights,Who do i have to thank when I have to piss in a jar to get a job why someone watches my privte parts.thanks to[ mrs. Dole.rep] during the Bush and regan era..list goes on and on.Why can't republicans go after money being sent over seas to people that don't even like us .Pull out of Iraq.stop 30 year drug war we lost send dea to border patrol or lay them off keep the teachers .Make all congress and senators pay their own health and penison.State and federal.repeal tax breaks for rich, Trickle down economies never help anybody but the rich.Repeal all subsidies for companies that has showed over million in profit.How about stopping companies laundering money through other countries not paying taxes.But no they want cut entitlements to americans.That's first thing out of republican leadership after the elections lets start talking about entitlements.My father sumed up like this, Big comanys and their Republican buddies want you poor and educated. that way they can control you.Even in the 80's the first thing they went after was education and wages.No telling how long it was before min. wages went up, years,Guess what regan and bush sr. left us in one hell of a mess, sound fimiailar? The republican machine stared lying as soon as Clinton started running for president. he manage get us back work.Now maybe Obama can you know he's going be best pres. yet.And the lies are coming to light .But if you refuse to see the truth ,I fell sorry for you.

Believe it or not there are a couple of Dems that value the future of the country more than being party-obedient, mindless, drones:

"A freshman Democratic senator accused President Barack Obama on Tuesday of failing to provide leadership on a worsening national deficit.

Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., called on Obama to lead "tough negotiations" on wrapping up last year's unfinished budget work and said that "right now, that is not happening."

One such Democrat, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, said the Democratic measure "doesn't go far enough," but she hadn't decided whether to support it.

"Democrats are going to have to do a lot better than this if we stand a chance of getting our nation's fiscal house in order," McConnell said. "Frankly, it's embarrassing."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110308/ap_on_bi_ge/us_spending_showdown

No they are just worried about re-election in a red stae

Bryan E - Seem to recall obama and company wanted to "ease down" the deficit over a ten year period. Perhaps I am mistaken in the number he used but it seems that he wanted to draw the deficit down by 1 trillion dollars over ten years.

according to elementary school math that works out to 100 billion dollars in cuts each year for ten years.

Seems like the republicans 61 billion in cuts is a little bit shy of what obama and company want.

What? Obama and company only want to cut $6 billion where have you been?

Bev, "Is Michelle Bachmann walking around aimlessly like a hypnotized zombie with her fraudulent 150 billion dollar sign she wants to attach to the bill? That would interesting to see."

bev is ratored because she is the darling of newsvine.

Fiesty is censored because he is fiesty.

Reality is than newsvive is prejudice most of the time.

Reality is that the budget of both the fed and the states need drastic cutting. That public employees produce nothing should not be an issue, except for taxpayers.

That the debt of the fed and state is not manageable is not a concern to leftists.

That Obama and the left are trying their best to destroy America.

Can hardly way for Mad Max world. Unfortunately for him he didn't stock up on ammo. I'll bet Bev doesn't know what that means. Probably will when she is lying in the desert wondering how it happened when it comes down around her for a bit of petrol.

That's easy it's 99 in Senate and 435 in the House. That poll accuracy is with a plus or minus of 1 to 3%.

Come on really? Just watch C-Span (if you dare) and check voting records of your local politiciansthat is the best way to change things that effect you. Remember all Politics are local.

The time for change in the Senate rules for the new 112th Congress has passed. The Democratic majority is pretty much happy with the current Senate rules, and they proved it by not making any notable changes...probably because they're likely to be the minority after the 2012 elections.

The hated (really?) rules regarding the filibuster and cloture remain in effect, as Majority Leader Reid wanted all along.

Nice try, Paul.

But...just a "try", eh?

The only unbought congress critter is Ron Paul. But the left and right hates him because he speaks the truth.

saving that for FY 2012 budget, no cuts required, just straight allocations

So cut EPA and SEC to allow more looting and polluting. Their "hidden" agenda is obvious.

sigh... it is the houses responsibility to generate the budget, the senate to modify and the president to approve. Why such negativity?

A major part of Harry Reids ideas on how to balance the budget depends on the Democrats winning the lottery.

I think Sen. Reid means that the GOP sledgehammer seems to affect mostly women, minorities and poor people, without actually addressing the issues of defense spending and health and human services. 61 billion dollars doesn't do anything to help reduce the deficit, just helps corporate interests.

And also, I think he is saying that, since the working poor spend money and contribute to the economy, hurting them will spiral our recovery back into another recession (which most of us want to avoid.) Which is why President Obama's budget doesn't reduce the deficit this year, but will reduce it by 1 trillion dollars over 10 years (once the economy has become more stable.) And yes, we all understand how a good economy in 2012 will help Obama's reelection. We're more concerned about jobs right now.

clotho - bernanke has already debunked that theory of spinning the economoy back into recession while he was going through congresses inquisition last week.

Will there be job losses, of course. Lower GDP, maybe.

Our estimated 2010 economy is $14.7 trillion, $61 billion is just 0.41% of that 2010 economy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

Repugnant retorts from both of you. Any job losses equate to lost tax revenue. Don't you get that? Less money in the hands of those who spend it on goods and services is a reversal of the good fortune we've had lately. Is that a way to instill confidence in the economy? Confidence that is necessary to get companies hiring when noone is buying their products and services? Seriously, wake up.

Bryan E - take a cold shower and wake up. By the democrats own numbers of 700000 lost jobs because of $61 billion in cuts and perhaps those being unemployed for a year will create an additional $9 billion into the economy. Numbers, I might add can be verified by FR liberals own arguments.

Sure a job loss sucks, think that those 15 - 20% currently without jobs think that life is swell? Think that they understand the attitude of a government that always wants to spend, spend, spend. Think that they don't understand (by first hand knowledge) that one can't spend their way out of debt? Think that they care about the government carrying on business as usual.

What kind of confidence does a government project to businesses and the individuals that by continually spending more and more there will never come a time when the citizen and business will have to pay for it. The price to pay will always be greater the longer the can is kicked down the road.

A cut of $61 billion is roughly .4% of todays economy. Spread all the fear you want but for someone earning $30000/yr .4% is just $120, think that individual couldn't cut back $120/yr without catastrophic results?

Reid can't even sell the Dems pathetic "plan" to his own party:

"A freshman Democratic senator accused President Barack Obama on Tuesday of failing to provide leadership on a worsening national deficit.

Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., called on Obama to lead "tough negotiations" on wrapping up last year's unfinished budget work and said that "right now, that is not happening."

One such Democrat, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, said the Democratic measure "doesn't go far enough," but she hadn't decided whether to support it.

"Democrats are going to have to do a lot better than this if we stand a chance of getting our nation's fiscal house in order," McConnell said. "Frankly, it's embarrassing."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110308/ap_on_bi_ge/us_spending_showdown

You mean like YIPO and healthcare?

Or perhaps the Obama promise on closing Gitmo?

You can blame Gitmo on Congress (Republicans and Democrats), which refused to allocate the $350 million necessary to close the base and relocate the prisoners. Contrary to what the Koch Brothers' Tea Party says, Obama is neither a King nor a Dictator. He can't make everything happen by himself.

US navy - and you believe reid??? lmao!

So what is the relevance of your statement in regard to his promise that he would shut down Gitmo in his first year in office with both a Democratic majority House and Senate? Surely he could have accomplihsed that promise within his first of office if he truly intended on keeping that promise, no? Additionally, President just signed the new defense budget which prohibited the use of defense department monies from being used to transfer prisoners. So again, if that was the case, why did he wait 2 1/2 years to now change his mind?

I'll believe Senator Reid any day over McConnell.

Imagine that, the right is blaming President Obama for Gitmo not closing. Let's see, which republicans were busy telling voters that bring the detainees into the US would mean terrorists released in a neighborhood near you, maybe next door. Which republicans were busy spreading the anti-Muslim fear mongering that continues today? Which republicans established Gitmo in the first place? Which republicans used water boarding (torture) to interrogate detainees making any testimony they gave inadmissable? Some GOP names: Peter King, Dick Cheney, G.W. Bush, John McCain, Steve King, Michelle Bachmann. All anyone needs to do is review FR archives around mid 2009 for the answers. Sadly, some democrats in Congress bought the repackaged fear sold to them by the GOP in the lead up to the Iraq War and would NOT unite to pass the funding requested by President Obama. A new prison in Illinois sits empty as it has for years because Fear won again. Shame on Congress and shame on those who use fear and 9/11 to play politics.

Of course he does......he is a liberal. They believe everything Reid, Pelosi and Mr Obama tell them.

Jody - are you dizzy yet?? With all the spinning you are doing (post6.6) you should be falling down. Rather humorous that you condone other FR liberal rails against the right (as well as your own) but not when the right does the same. Do so keep it up sweety.

Navy, I know this may be over your head, But, I really wonder what you will post when the day comes that one of our creditors wants cash for some of the paper they hold. We will have to borrow the money in order to provide this creditor with the cash that they are asking for. Get the picture? You can say this won't happen, and you would be just fooling yourself. You need to think about this real hard. Or you can just continue to bury your head in the sand along with some of these Democrates that you seem to believe have the answers. Obama may not want to count the interest on our national debt, but the interest is real.

Maybe Michael Moore will send you that retirement check? You think?

Where did Obama tee it up?

Andrews Air Force Base golf course.

Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/147655-obama-hits-golf-course-for-first-time-this-year

A four minute helicopter ride from the White House. Much can be accomplished in this day and age while on the course. Did the world fall apart on Saturday?

JoAnnaSmith1

To sum this all up. The GOP led House has passed legislation that cuts $60 billion from current 2011 spending levels (There is no 2011 budget to cut from thanks to Nancy and Harry just not being able to get around to writing one).

So how do you account for the money then since it will be in the budget; get it?

Think of it this way Gov Walker gave tax cuts to his rich cronies equivalent to what would not have been a deficit.

Never said the world did fall apart Paul. What is being said though is that Obama has not provided any leadership either on the remaining 2011 government spending, nor on the 2012 budget. Obama said the following last summer at the G20 summit in Canada:

"And we have set up this fiscal commission who will provide reports starting in November -- and one of the encouraging things, although there was resistance, ironically, on the part of some of the Republicans who originally had been co-sponsors of legislation to create the fiscal commission and they, in fact, ended up voting against it -- what's been encouraging, based on what I'm hearing both from Democrats and Republicans, is that there's been a serious conversation there. People are looking at a whole spectrum of issues to get at what is basically a structural deficit that preceded this financial crisis."

"I'm doing it because I said I was going to do it. And I think it's the right thing to do. And people should learn that lesson about me, because next year when I start presenting some very difficult choices to the country, I hope some of these folks who are hollering about deficits and debt step up, because I'm calling their bluff. And we'll see how much of that -- how much of the political arguments they're making right now are real, and how much of it was just politics. "

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So Paul, do you think the President has called the GOPs bluff by challenging them about the deficits and the debt? This after Obama proposed a 2012 budget with $1.65 trillion in deficit spending. What "difficult choices to the country", as Obama says, did Obama make when coming up with that budget?

And who is playing politics on this issue? The GOP who proposed $60 billion in cuts? Or the Democrats who are demonizing the GOP for doing so?

Source of Obama quotes: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-obama-g-20-press-conference-toronto-canada

Bevvy - the topic is the federal budget, not Wisconsins budget. That's a different thread dearie.

Obama submitted his 2011 budget to Congress last year; completely inaccurate to claim he has no opinion.

I would remind the GOP that it was THEY who blocked passage of the 2011 budget last fall. They filibustered and threatened so Reid decided he wouldn't play that game and the Senate went on to pass the most legislation in a lame duck session in years. Lindsay Graham declared that democrats had eaten the GOPs lunch.

Jody, the 2011 budget submitted by Obama was not even taken up by congress. The republicans did not filibuster the president's 2011 budget. It was up to the democratic controlled house to write a budget, pass the budget with majority votes (which they had at the time) and send it to the Senate. So you see it was Nancy's responsibility to bring a budget to a vote but she and the rest of the liberal democrats failed to do their duty which was one reason they lost the house in the last election. So get your facts straight before spouting off.

sfcret - Jody, the 2011 budget submitted by Obama was not even taken up by congress. The republicans did not filibuster the president's 2011 budget.

This was completely explained to her weeks ago. She elects to be in denial about it.

Also, Paul, do you have any response to Obama's words from his G20 trip, and his actions concerning the budget? Anything? Anything at all? Or should we just talk about golf?

Jody - COOL! Finally admitting that the democrats don't want compromise, just my way or the highway. It does answer the question on how FR liberals always want the conservatives to compromise.

I quess bill oin fairfax summed it up quite neatly a week ago last friday. most FR libs are clueless! lmao!!

I wonder if Bev and Feisty have been smoking from the same pipe today. Neither one of them any makes sense or can spell for elephant......Crap!

Oh, brother, talk about twisting comments to suit a narrative. No, I did not say democrats don't want to compromise but perhaps the righties here can explain how the GOP ever compromised with the words NO, NO, NO. BTW, they did take up the Obama 2011 budget last year. I would also remind posters that on several occasions in 2010, the republicans requested postponing the budget debate claiming they needed more time to study it, democrats granted their requests. What was apparent to Senator Reid when it was finally scheduled for debate--the GOP had hundreds of amendments to delay, obstruct votes on everything else. Senator Reid then decided that getting everything else done was crucial. While republicans were guilty of playing games with the budget, they then proceeded to point fingers at democrats and cry foul.

As for "clueless", well now isn't American clever.

jody - when you can't muster the votes to force compromise why is it NO, NO, NO?.

Wouldn't the mere fact of a filibuster occuring make the majority party want to see what kind of a compromise might be available? Seems that the democrats refused compromise a lot in 2009 and 2010.

Lmao! Your words, not mine...

They filibustered and threatened so Reid decided he wouldn't play that game...

I suppose reid was right to push, push, push, after all there was much debate on if the democrats would lose control of congress.

The President went golfing on Sat, March 5th as many do, he doesnt work on the budget neither does the Vice President, you really know how to polish a pebble of info into what you think is a diamond. Get a life JS1, you are petty and pathetic.

gingerbread - you better hope that obama works on the budget at some point in time. His signature is required to pass it. Voters aren't going to let him ignore it the way pelosi and read ignored reading obamacare.

Obama leading? Even some of the Dems are getting tired of being embarrassed by him:

"A freshman Democratic senator accused President Barack Obama on Tuesday of failing to provide leadership on a worsening national deficit.

Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., called on Obama to lead "tough negotiations" on wrapping up last year's unfinished budget work and said that "right now, that is not happening."

One such Democrat, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, said the Democratic measure "doesn't go far enough," but she hadn't decided whether to support it.

"Democrats are going to have to do a lot better than this if we stand a chance of getting our nation's fiscal house in order," McConnell said. "Frankly, it's embarrassing."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110308/ap_on_bi_ge/us_spending_showdown

Bob: "cuts effect on the economy" ? This infinitesimal trim of the gi-normous monstrosity?

It's quickly becoming apparent that the remaining Democratic Senators just didn't get the message that was delivered on Nov02/2010. They appear to be just a bit confused on that little matter. They seem to have this over-inflated self worth of the themselves and how important they think they are. They think $60 billion in cuts will somehow lose 700,000 jobs. Well, that means the $787 billion they spent in 2008 on their so called stimulus plan should have created 9 million jobs. So, when exactly did that job creation happen?

The Senate Democrats: Over-inflated bags of wind.

JoAnnaSmith1

Bevvy - the topic is the federal budget, not Wisconsins budget. That's a different thread dearie.

I did not stray off topic I gave you an example so could understand better. At least I thoughr you would.

Bevvy - you're in the wrong thread again dearie. Go back to thread #7 honey.

american-2051576

Beverly - seems that your post went to zombieland or do you consider yourself above reproach?

No, you witches and warlords righties who leave your bat caves to migrate here do.

Anyhow here it is scary cyber bully.

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Paul-977599

The time has come for complete and total transparency in the Senate. Every freaking word spoken between any of them amongst themselves and anyone else should be required to be recorded and held in an archive available for public scrutiny.

Is Michelle Bachmann walking around aimlessly like a hypnotized zombie with her fraudulent 150 billion dollar sign she wants to attach to the bill? That would interesting to see.

You know in order to represent her t-bagger caucus she has to carry a sign.

I heard her say she wants it given back to the people so she will attach it to the bill.

Beverly, I understand that you are left wing progressive and that MSNBC leans that way but what is accomplished by insulting people. Some people on this vine are very right winged but calling others witches, warlord, or zombies just pushes people in the middle away from you. I'm not criticizing you i'm trying to understand. Please take this in the spirit it's meant.

Oh boy -0l bev has to repost her comment that anyone can read by clicking on the little box. And such hatred bev, witches and warlack oh my. Cyber bully indeed. How hubristic of you to point out all of this.

Lisa....thats all they do...... the only one that doesn't swear or spew hatred is Navy boy all he does is spew the liberal party line. Which I have no issue with. Its his life to live!

Somebody needs a nap.

Joanna - seems that ol bev is really confused today, looks like Amy b nailed it.

Bloomberg tv mentioned this exact same thing last week, the short answer was basically that a politician thought it was necesary to fund and that they would look bad if it was eliminated. Sad on how ego trumps fiscal responsibility.

If they cut the duplicate programs where would they appoint their friends and campaign contributors to "work"?

i just called our two senators from Delaware, and asked them to vote FOR the plan to cut $61 Billion.

Good for you!

But how do you think they'll vote? And how do you think Christine O'Donnell would have voted?

true joanna, i had to insist the office of chris coons take down my name and address! not allot of confidence instilled! of course, as the "pet", he just asks harry how he should vote.

as to my dear christine, she may even have rejected the 61 bill as too little!

mitchj: as to my dear christine, she may even have rejected the 61 bill as too little!

That she would have. You see, elections have consequences, and for all the mocking by places like FR and the MSM have for people like O'Donnell, she would have been in Washington fighting the good fight for the taxpayer, you know, the one group of people the Democrats forget about all the time.

But how do you think they'll vote? And how do you think Christine O'Donnell would have voted?

With the rest of the money grubbing GOP trolls in the Senate of course. That woman is a dim bulb. You guys screwed up when you voted for her in the primary. Thanks for the laughs!

JoAnnaSmith1

That she would have. You see, elections have consequences, and for all the mocking by places like FR and the MSM have for people like O'Donnell, she would have been in Washington fighting the good fight for the taxpayer, you know, the one group of people the Democrats forget about all the time.

I think she'd be begging for election contributions like Scott Brown to pay her bills instead. I doubt if Christine would be fighting the good fight. Cristine would be running "a gangster government. You know like Bachmann and Issa say she''d be walking around with the money in her pockets.

Scott Brown Begs David Koch For Money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnkipn-gJK4

devie:With the rest of the money grubbing GOP trolls in the Senate of course

"Money grubbing"? Isn't it the Democrats plan to spend $1.65 trillion in deficit spending for 2012? Do you think that amount spending might in some way be a problem? If so, what exactly is the Democrats plan for deficit reduction? If not, should we just pass on that debt to the children of today and let them deal with our massive spending when they become taxpayers tomorrow?

So who would have been for a plan to reduce the deficit? Christine O'Donnell or Chris Coons?

Beverly Scott Brown is the Senator from Mass. I don't believe he is asking D. Koch for money.

Christine O'Donnell. Where do these people find these trolls.

Lisa and Joanna...... they can not help them selves for they know not what they do! You will get nowhere with any of them. Bev Feisty and Jody are liberal shrills! They spew hate and show their limited intelligence at every turn. I know they can not possibly have real jobs because any boss would see their limited ability to complete work and they would be fired...... wait unless they were unions members then they would be protected...which makes more sense.

If the $61 billion in cuts results in between 500-700,000 lost jobs, how much additional debt will be incurred to cover the cost of unemployment benefits, to cover the lost discretionary spending into the economy by people who no longer have jobs? If more people end up losing their homes because they lost their jobs, how does that impact the economy?

Cutting spending sounds grand but because the economy is still fragile and still recovering, the deficit and the debt will increase rather than decrease. That's not a liberal saying that, it's right and left-leaning economists saying that.

jollyoldsoul1

They spew hate and show their limited intelligence at every turn. I know they can not possibly have real jobs because any boss would see their limited ability to complete work and they would be fired

I'll bet that you do not see your own hypocricy in what you said.

Cutting spending sounds grand but because the economy is still fragile and still recovering

So, Liberals are for spending cuts, but now "just isn't the right time". So Liberals believe the economy is getting better, they have to, otherwise Obama would be a failure (hint: it isn't, and he is), but as for cutting spending now, it "just isn't the right time". So stealing from the next generation, loading them up with our debt of today for them to pay tomorrow, we can just tell that next generation "We tried to stop our spending, but, it just wasn't the right time". They'll just be so happy with us, don't you think?

Beverly nice hidden camera trick for taping an unintelligible conversation. Don't you think think progressive was doing an illegal wire tap?? The garbled audio and waist shot video sure makes it seem that way!

Jody of iowa - under intense interrogation last week by congress bernanke saw no reason that a $61 billion cut would pose a serious setback to the economy. After all a 0.4% cut is all it is based on an estimated 2010 $14.7 trillion economy.

Even taking reids numbers of 700000 jobs lost and FR liberals own numbers about unemployment the economy will grow by $9 billion within a year. Gotta luv FR lib numbers!

Bayllie - pointing out anothers comments thru observation is not hypocracy. From wikipedia...

an alcoholic's advocating temperance, for example, would not be considered an act of hypocrisy so long as the alcoholic made no pretense of constant sobriety.

I am sure that if you wait long enough you can catch anyone being hypocritical.. You may call jollyoldsoul opinionated and judgmental but hypocritical, not likely.

JAS1,

"Money grubbing"? Isn't it the Democrats plan to spend $1.65 trillion in deficit spending for 2012? Do you think that amount spending might in some way be a problem? If so, what exactly is the Democrats plan for deficit reduction?

So who would have been for a plan to reduce the deficit? Christine O'Donnell or Chris Coons?

Well Christine O'Donnell could even run her own budget at a surplus. What's that phrase you GOTPers like to use... Oh yeah, "EPIC FAIL" That just about sums up your candidate Ms. O'Donnell.

You know as well as anyone else who post here that cuts alone and drastic ones at that are not going to balance the budget. That sixty one billion dollars in the GOP spending bill is just window dressing for their base. They know that there is no way in hell that their spending bill is going to pass muster. I know that you and the rest of the FOX Huggers that post here don't want to admit it but the government has to (dare I say it? Yes, I must!) raise revenues through taxes and fees. So with all of the business acumen you so call conservatives espouse on here daily, maybe you can tell me how a business can survive if they are only willing to make cuts in spending but refuses to raise their prices? Sorry JoAnna, you talk a big game about how the GOTP has all the answers but they seem to have lost their way. Even Reagan knew when he had to face facts and raise taxes. Time to wake up.

JAS1:

otherwise Obama would be a failure (hint: it isn't, and he is)

Is Obama's term over? Let's reserve judgement until his second term is finished, m..kay J? Thanks!

Is Obama's term over?

For all practical purposes it is. Chronic unemployment, massive deficits, no clue on world affairs, not engaged with the budget process, unconstitutional health care plan, bought and paid for and beholden to the Unions and the Greens, it just doesn't end with this guy.

Obama best start getting the outline done for his memiors and get ready to hit the rubber chicken circuit.

devie: That sixty one billion dollars in the GOP spending bill is just window dressing for their base. They know that there is no way in hell that their spending bill is going to pass muster.

What a pity. When do you suggest we tell the next generation that they'll be paying for the mores of our generation, before or after they get done with their juice boxes after school today?

devie: Time to wake up.

So, just what is the Democrats plan for deficit reduction? Cutting spending doesn't seem to be an option for them. Raising taxes is out too, Obama didn't even mention doing so in his 2012 budget. So are we to believe the Democrats plan for fixing our deficit spending problem, is more and more deficit spending?

What this wad said about young voters is myopic and indefensible. That said, students whose parents live elsewhere and are there for the school year need to vote in their home districts by absentee ballot. they are not residents where they go to school in the accepted and legal sense of the word.

They can vote with an absentee ballot from their home state. Most times the students are not considered residents of the state they attend college in but that which they reside. If you are young and not a liberal you have no heart. Once they start earning their paycheck and see what is taken in taxes they sing a little quieter tune. Hey we all did it.

So Job1, what do you think of the wealth transfer from the young people of the country to the older generations? What do you think the government should do to support the SS and Medicare needs of the elderly as more and more of the Baby Boomers become eligible for those programs and there are less and less young people to support paying for those benefits?

Also, what do you think of the government forcing young people to purchase health insurance policies, policies they may not want, or they may nnt need, with most of that money used to purchase those policies going again to the health care needs of the older generations? Do you think it's fair that wealth transfer from the young to the old should be forced on the young by the government?

And seeing you are so concerned for the young job1, what do you think of the massive deficits both the federal and state governments are racking up to pay for the needs of older folks today, while the payment of those debts will be taxed from our children when they become adults tomorrow?

job1 we are waiting!

I don’t believe in voter suppression. If you are 18 and want to vote, you should be allowed to vote your choice. Don’t try to change the law because people don’t vote the way you would like.

I also, believe in the mandate that all people should be insured with health insurance. In time they will need insurance.

Facts show that social security is solvent with a surplus of 2.5 trillion, so let forget about cuts there. It’s an old Republican argument that doesn’t fly.

I believe that we need to bring back the Clinton era take levels on the rich and quit playing these games. Then do away with the 46 billion tax subsidies that the tax payers give big oil in which no Republican in the house voted to do.

It was proven by FDR that we have to spend money within our country for growth. So, where do you cut spending? To listen to the right it is social programs and cut taxes. Well, again more bull crap. We have the super rich and the dirt poor, with the middle class being pushed to the category of the dirt poor and well the rich get richer, with their perks and level low taxes they pay.Sharp budget cuts mean job cuts and at a time when we can't afford to lose them.

And still we have the argument that the American People have spoken. Well the American people spoke in 2008 and President Obama won the White House.

Then you look at the 2010 election and you really can’t say that the majority of the American people have spoken considering that only 37% of eligible voters turned out for 2010 US election day compared to 56.8% of eligible voters turned out for 2008 US election day.

The good news is, progressives always end up succeeding in the long run. Ending slavery, passing civil rights, social security, caring for our elderly, women's rights, same sex marriage, health care reform, etc. The regressives can drag their feet and try to slow down progress (and they often do), but ultimately the country will continue its march toward the future. We can all take comfort in that.

So job1, you are all for the wealth transfer from the young to the old. You are perplexed why the GOP House didn't pass a bill that eliminated subsidies to the oil companies, and yet the Democrats owned the House for 4 years and never even brought a bill like that up. Your tax policy is to raise taxes back to the Clinton era tax rates, but again the Democratic controlled House and Senate for the last 4 years did nothing to move the tax policy in that direction. You think our government can spend our way to prosperity, but yet we continue to leave more and more debt for our young to pay. And you think our elections are not legit.

Quite a laundry list.

"New Hampshire House Republicans are pushing for new laws that would prohibit many college students from voting in the state - and effectively keep some from voting at all."

This part is a flat out lie. Students (who usually aren't counted as residents anyway) would simply have to vote with an absentee ballot from their home town instead of in the school town. This is pretty standard. College students across the country do it at every election.

Beyond that, if calling them 'foolish' for voting liberal is a 'War on young voters', then the liberals (politicians and pundits) need to be tried for war crimes and atrocities. They say far worse than this on a daily basis about anyone who opposes their opinions. Thankfully, both they and Speaker O'Brien have something called 'Freedom of Speech'.

C.Smith,

I suggest that you get the facts. Perhaps you can look at today's Washington Post and see for yourself.

Can you say one trick pony? This is at least the 3rd thread I've seen this post on today- off topic on every one. I'm all good with making a point but seriously, this borders on spam.

job1 - you quote from a source but provide no link to that source

You make allegations about restricting the right to vote, but again post no links, I suspect that you are not even of age to vote for your lack of knowledge on the right to vote is appalling.

As for SS being solvent, of course it is, revenue still exceeds outflow, unfortunately for those seniors collecting the trust fund itself is made up with treasury IOU's not cash. only the constant influx of cash is what keeps the SS checks flowing.

FDR was quite right, unfortunately for you he was referring to the US taxpayers (both business, private and government employee). Not government spending. The 2009 stimulas package gave a temporary boost to the economy and then the economy died back down when the funds were spent.

Those that chose to vote make up the majority, the overall population eligible to vote but don't have no standing to express an opinion.

Does anyone really think the young voters value being on their parents healthcare until they are 26 more than having a job, a secure country, or future? If they are foolish enough to be fooled again then they will get what they deserve and have nobody else to blame.

A $61 billion cUt in a multi trillion dollar economy? I am with benanke on this one as having minimal impact on our economy.

Even if I took the democrats scenario of 700000 jobs loss, by FR libs numbers it can be shown that the economy will grow by $9 billion over the next year. What is so bad about that steeler fan?

The CBO isn't democrats and I'd hardly call Goldman Sachs as bastion of liberal policy.

Can we come up with a new descriptor- moderate republicans and conservative democrats do exist in the real world, but in DC every one of 'em is pure politician regardless of any claims they make as to their own conservative-or-democrat-ness. It's all a flaming pile of cow dung. We are where we are because politicians of every stripe have made reelection their primary duty during their time in office. I was entirely thrilled in the 2010 election cycle to have a part in voting out a long time toe the party line senator for some fresh blood with a promise to not concern himself with reelection. Thanks for reminding me that I need to start keeping tabs on him to make sure he's doing that.

Call it what you want. But, there is an attempt going with the right to have voter suppression.

jody of iowa - as quoted by harry reid...

· It will fire 700,000 Americans – including 6,000 Nevadans. Our budget should create jobs, not cost jobs.

http://ynative77.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/harry-reid-senate-democrats-in-the-newsroom-60/

The only jobs government seems to create nowadays are government jobs, not private sector jobs.

Jobs are jobs and the Republicans don't care.

What's the best scare tactic for trying to keep the spending spree going? Yep, "it will cost jobs"... and this is from the administration that raised unemployment from 7.4% to 10% WHILE wasting $1 TRILLION.

Sounds like another B@tsh!t Bauchmann supporter.

Sure you're not job #2?

Gas should cost $7.00 per gallon.

The lefties ranted endlessly about high gas prices during the Bush Administration. They were the fault of the President ; a conspiracy by texas oil tycoons and Saudi Arabia, gutting the poor working class, favored the rich , etc etc.

Now.....silence.

Bob of course silence, just like GITMO and a laundry list of other issues. Sad really, I have found that a lot of conservative republicans were not happy with Bush and said so. Obama followers are much like their leader, talk, talk, talk and then claim a misspeak or oops.

thats ok, remember your history, and who it was that turned against the true Messiah (His own people) NOTE: this is not a slant against any religion

Hey Paul, how about you send me $3.50 for every gallon you buy so you can clear your social conscience and I can continue to afford my commute. Everybody wins!

Artificially cheap gasoline is what got you to "choose" to live too far from where you work to be able to afford the commute when that artifice is removed. Typical American who can't see the forest for/from the trees.

anyone ever think about what gas would cost if oil wasn't valued in $$$.

I'd call $61B a good start. Never going to get to $500-800B if we don't start somewhere.

Every poll shows that the American people (Democrats, Independents, everyone but the Koch Brothers Tea Party) is more concerned about job creation than reducing the deficit. The election in November was a mandate to create jobs. We are not ready to deal with the deficit (as Cheney said, "deficits don't matter.") until the American people have gotten back to work.

Everyone (again, with the exception of the Koch Brothers Tea Party) understands that the stimulus and bailouts saved the country, and conversely cutting the budget now would be disaster for our fragile recovery. I know conspiracy theorists are saying this is so obvious, that the Boehner-led House is actually trying to create a depression in order to hurt Obama.

I, however, don't think even Boehner and his ilk are that hateful of the American people. I just think they are putting politics ahead of the country.

Wrong Clotho....... in a wide array of ways!

clotho - it is always about the health of the economy, jobs are just but a part of it.

I do not normally watch Morning Joe, but I heard their discussion of the budget today. Interesting; one of the panel members mentioned that all the things they are discussing only represent 15% of the government expenditures, so that actually, if they cut them all out, or cut them to the bone, it won't fix the debt problem. They shook their heads as if they agreed and understood, and then continued to discuss those small, but politically hot topics. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE let the word "military" escape their lips. Why, oh why, are these expenditures sancrosanct? We are being bled to death, the "military industriel complex" continues to grow, but we all turn a blind eye. I guess people only see what they want to see. If you are one of those people that thinks we are going to solve our debt problems by cutting education, I can only say to you that mankind has three real enemies, disease, poverty, and ignorance. Spend your energy fighting these three things and the rest will take care of itself.

frag, you should watch the show more often then, typically they ALWAYS mention cutting the military in same breath as "having an adult conversation" blah blah blah

The military represents one third of the US budget. Part of it goes to support regimes throughout the world, some of which are exploiting their own or other peoples. The USA spends more per capita on defense than any other nation. It still has military bases in Germany and other areas that have been free of conflict for well over sixty years. This is foolishness. Both Republicans and Democrats continue to allow this to happen because they refuse to be weaned from the campaign contributions of defense contractors and countries like Israel.

WGN-595618

The military represents one third of the US budget. Part of it goes to support regimes throughout the world, some of which are exploiting their own or other peoples. The USA spends more per capita on defense than any other nation. It still has military bases in Germany and other areas that have been free of conflict for well over sixty years. This is foolishness. Both Republicans and Democrats continue to allow this to happen because they refuse to be weaned from the campaign contributions of defense contractors and countries like Israel.

Bingo you hit it on the head but defense is a sacred cow and the Repubs as well as some Dems have helped corps as they have privatized every thing under the sun. This the Repub plan going into the staes get rid of unions and privatize everything. Welcome to the United Corporations of America.

its not only Nancy P. but most economist say putting money in the hands of those most likely to spend it (like food stamps) not to those would save it(big tax breaks for the riches 2 %) would help create jobs....

And your not concerned all this spending cuts by repubs...would slow the recovery and hurt job creation just as the economy is starting to recover????

of course your not concerned! You have other motives for seeing the economy fail and your leaders have not been shy about saying this!Hippocrits! be a man and state your real motives!

a.b - Never met a wealthy person who wouldn't put money to work

yeh a.b., A .4% cut is really going to tank our economy.

Using zandis numbers (held to be true by many FR libs) anyone can demonstrate that the loss of 750000 jobs by a $61 billion cut will stimulate the economy by over $9 billion dollars.

as for the rest of your post your facts are rather well screwed up. BTW - the FED is supposed to be nonpartisan.

Exactly! But as most democats already know....repubs aren't interested in the truth or JOBS! they like the republican lies and jobs will re-elect President Obama!

There job, as Mitch McConnell has stated is to make Obama a 1 time President and to hell with JOBS, the EConomy, the Recovery and the American people! And the sad thing is most right wingers and tea partiers agree with him!

I am sure that our senior citizens appreciate the fact that what they paid in cash contributions into SS is now mainly treasury IOU's

What a considerate reward we give them for feeding us, clothing us, paying for primary education and for some even higher education. Then how about the manufacturing fundamental they provided so that we could have safe transportation, cell phones, flat screen TV's. Yessir the liberals really want to reward those who made the US economy what it is today.

BTW - what party not in power wouldn't want the party in power to te gone?

Does look like greed and power are alive and well in our democratic party today.