"Take our country back - to 1861"!

With women barefoot & pregnant in the kitchen no less...

All this does is buy another 2 weeks to 'negotiate' a much tougher spending plan.

With Harry Reid's announced plans to avoid any substantive spending cuts, I doubt that this will make much difference, and the REAL crunch will come in another 17 days.

The Democrats have increased spending above the level of Bush's last fiscal year in office (2008) by $1.28 TRILLION over the last two years. The idea that they can't find even $61 Billion (4.7%) to cut from that huge spending increase is ridiculous.

It's time to get serious about spending cuts, for the sake of our children and grandchildren.

With women barefoot & pregnant in the kitchen no less...

They are willing to compromise on the barefoot part and allow for the use of sandals. However, heels are out of the question . . . they go against the moral fabric of our country, leading to sexual desires that will send you straight to the devils house.

No one listening libby, this is it, this is the only freebie you ever get again.

Two weeks from now, all the freebies stop.

Look for "relearn to work " classes, we have exhausted all of the patience, if you have been living off of the taxpayers, you are about to get hungry.

I'm fine with a woman's right to choose, just not on the taxpayers tab.

What's the matter Fiesty old gal, you jealous of Palin's CFMs?

wilburn1942, do you feel big now?

I'm fine with a woman's right to choose, just not on the taxpayers tab.

Have you ever heard of the Hyde Amendment?

If not I suggest you Google it and stop making a fool out of yourself!

Feisty Redhead...Popcorn?....Really?.....You seriously need to get a life!

@ Spanky

Perhaps if the conservative group didn't run everything by maintaining ignorance and improperly distributing funds us 'libbies' wouldn't have to fight for every ounce of basic civility. Where do you think all the debt has come from? Isn't maintaining the past the mantra of the conservative group, the past sure is serving us well today. The difference between liberals and conservatives is the ability to observe the past, see another's point of view and compromise; that is something conservatives, or as I like to call you 'Con-ies', cannot seem to do. Oh, by the way, it is 'buck up' not "buckle up", basic literary skills are necessary.

Yes Roy...but it was because they inherited such a mess.. .don't forget...from Bush...they have had to keep spending.

Yeah.. I dont get it either.

There is a simple way to reduce the deficit, raise taxes. For those that are unaware, Federal taxes are the lowest they have been in 80 years. That's right boys and girls; Federal taxes are the lowest in 80 years. Do you think that might be one of the reasons the Federal deficit is the highest in history?

Everyone wants low taxes but the tax cuts enacted by Reagan, Bush I and Bush II were never paid for. The economic activity, the cuts sparked, was no where near enough to make up for the lost revenue. So, here we are facing a massive deficit and wanting to cut the benefits of the least of us while giving the rich even more money to spend overseas on factories that employ everyone but Americans.

It is impossible to cut spending enough to cover the deficit. To repeat, it is impossible to cut enough to cover the deficit. To even attempt to do so would plung the US and the world into a depression unseen by humanity.

There is no other choice but to raise taxes on those that can afford to pay them: the rich. There is no sound reason to wait because it is inevitable. Congress will figure it out shortly after an economic disaster occurs; just like it always does after the fact.

@roywilson... yes they did increase the spending. they also put both wars on the books unlike President Bush did...

Randi.. that is classic!! Sounds very Jon Stewartish. Why don't you try OBSERVING the past 2 years to get an idea of where our economy is going? Fix those mistakes and then maybe you can look further back to the Bush years.

Believe me.. the libs has plenty to do with the last 4 years of the Bush term. Have you observed any of that?

Lebowski... what really bites is they put both wars on the "books"...however continued to spend. Raise taxes.. humm...lets see. We should let the government spend more of our money. I am not reading a lot of intelligent thoughts out of the realm of economy 101. I would be fine with a tax increase.. .ONLY when the budget is balanced. Otherwise its like lending more money to the jobless man who just purchased a new home with an adjustable rate mortgage.

ngeneral

"I'm fine with a woman's right to choose, just not on the taxpayers tab."

Then you and I are in good shape. It is not on the taxpayers tab.

By the way- what ever happened to all the 'keep gubmint outta our lives' yammering?

As I'm from King's district I am not surprised by his ignorance. As for Obama's increase in the debt - where were the conservatives when Bush was running up the debt by starting a war with Iraq. I remember working wiht conservatives who thought it was OK as long as they got their tax cuts. One of them even stated "So my grandkids will have to pay for this spending." The conseratives need to look at the cuts they want to make and if they will CREATE JOBS or do away with more jobs.

Or maybe one of you big brained Libbies can come up with a way to reduce the deficit and start to pay down the debt.

Suspend the Bush tax cuts until the debt is paid, direct ALL revenue caused by the suspension of the cuts to the debt as an above and beyond payment. When the debt clears, reinstate the tax cuts.

Yeah, Spanky, and you know it too: raise taxes on the wealthy back to sustainable levels. The right is just too cowardly to do that and jeopardize their campaign war chests.

Republicans offer health care reform ideas like the mandate, then reject it if Dems embrace it. Or they take Obama's budget proposals and pretend like it is their idea. The reason Dems are on board with these cuts is because these are the cuts Obama proposed and are the cuts they want. But Republicans are trying to take credit for all this, of course.

Real life - great suggestions. Give your senators a call and get them done.

Randi2 - Observe the past = $14 trillion. Now what do you suppose the debt will be this time next year? I presume you can also see, and/ or predict the future, so what do you got?

And Randi, dear - you do need to buck-up, but you libbies [tit suckers] are in for a bumpy ride. You therefore need to buckle up. K now, run along and work on your cognitive skills. :)

@Spanky:

we get to have this fun every two weeks. Or did you really not think amassing obscene debt would have consequences? Huh, kinda short sighted, no?

Or maybe one of you big brained Libbies can come up with a way to reduce the deficit and start to pay down the debt.

How about this, cut spending (every agrees on that) AND INCREASE REVENUE. KILL THE tax cuts to the top 10% of income earners, originated by President George W. Bush and reenacted by President Obama. However, in the area of CUTS include ALL AREAS: farm subsidies, oil subsidies, Defense, foreign subsidies. You name it, put it on the table. How many "Bridges to nowhere" are still out there ? If it costs $100,000, does it create at least 1 job. If not, kill it. Don't just target the areas big business hates (EPA, Housing, labor, education.)

Cue772 "Yes Roy...but it was because they inherited such a mess.. .don't forget...from Bush"

I seem to remember that the Democrats controlled Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's Presidency (the two years when the economy went to pot).

That gave Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid complete control of all legislation, the budget, financial oversight of Wall Street, the deficit and spending for those two years. There was nothing that Bush proposed to help the economy over those last two years that went anywhere except Pelosi's wastebasket.

As for raising taxes on the 'rich' (who already pay over 70% of all income taxes paid), I have no problem with that after the economy really starts recovering, but that will make little difference (maybe $60 Billion per year). To make a serious dent in the deficit, we'd have to also rescind the tax cuts for the middle class, which would save perhaps $300 Billion per year, but no politician has the guts to suggest that.

There was never going to be a shut-down. Both parties were afraid of the fall-out. See what a health dose of fear can lead to; Pragmatism.

Until we make our elected representatives address the 88 percent of the budget we aren't talking about, it's a game of 3 card monte and the taxpayer will NEVER pick the red queen...

I seem to remember that the Democrats controlled Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's Presidency (the two years when the economy went to pot).

You want to guess who held the VETO pen??

@Duh...

Agreed. Anyone who simply thinks we can tax our way out of this has no clue what the deficit or the national debt is. Cut spending, increase taxes..both must happen.

Roy.. that was my poor attempt at sarcasm and I agree with your statement. I dont feel Bush did much during those last 2 years except ANYTHING to prevent the nation's elected officials from starting what we are seeing now.

All righty boys and girls, time for a fact. The Hyde Amendment prohibits federal funding for abortion. It has been attached as a rider to spending bills since 1976. Mike Pence is playing the reactionary right wing like a two-bit harmonica.

What he is trying to do is wipe out Planned Parenthood. Here's another fact or two. At one time or another, one in five - THAT'S RIGHT, ONE IN FIVE! - women will visit Planned Parenthood at least once in her lifetime. Planned Parenthood is the number one provider of health care for women in the United States. Only three per-cent - THAT'S RIGHT, 3%! - of Planned Parenthood's funding goes for abortion.

Yet Mike Pence, lover of little children, is leading the charge to deny poor mothers medical care. Mike Pence, lover of little children, is leading the charge to wipe out WIC. Mike Pence, lover of little children, is more than tickled to see women have babies, and then run away from the costs of having little children.

Mike Pence, lover of little children, is the face of the hateful mentality that pervades the Republican Party. Mike Pence is a true RINO. No honest Republican would ever starve a child. Mike Pence is a vile, evil creature. True Republicans, when are you going to take your party back?

Spanky:

Or maybe one of you big brained Libbies can come up with a way to reduce the deficit and start to pay down the debt.

It doesn't take a big brain to recognize the obvious fact that the deficit cannot be brought under control unless taxes are increased from the current rates. And please, no teabaggery about how we're Taxed Enough Already. Tax rates are the LOWEST they've been in 60 years, thanks to the tax cuts Obama has made in addition to the Bush tax cuts.

A good place to start increasing tax revenues is to get rid of the tax cuts for the rich, which have done nothing to stimulate the economy and are adding $70 billion a year to the deficit. The president had to go along with keeping them in order to preserve the middle class tax cuts, which have had some stimulative effect but were held hostage by the Republicans.

While it doesn't take an unusually big brain to understand that taxes will have to be raised to prevent the US from degenerating into a banana republic, unfortunately the Banana Republicans don't have much in the brains department at all.

@Houston!

We have a problem. Obviously your brain is not quite big enough. You plan to tax our way out of the national debt? Nope.. sorry. You cannot increase spending and then increase taxes thinking increased revenue will not be eaten up by the excessive spending we have not covered.

wow.

Dennis-816242 "Or maybe one of you big brained Libbies can come up with a way to reduce the deficit and start to pay down the debt....Suspend the Bush tax cuts until the debt is paid, direct ALL revenue caused by the suspension of the cuts to the debt as an above and beyond payment. When the debt clears, reinstate the tax cuts."

Unfortunately, that might save only about $350 Billion per year, while the deficits are more than a $Trillion higher than that, and it would also likely drag out the 'recovery'. It will take substantial spending cuts as well, and as I noted in my Post #1.4, there is plenty to cut.

Hmmm, Democrats don't want to cut spending. Wisconsin teachers union don't want to end collective bargaining, and help balance the state budget. Is there a pattern here?

Yeah, let's cut the defense budget, so that we can become a weaker nation. A 1.25% pay increase for our troops in fiscal 2012 budget. Lowest in 50 years. Way to go to support our troops, those same troops who fight for your freedom of speech.

Slice all social programs to the bone. Dept. of Education, just what exactly does it do? Get rid of all the special commissions the administration has appointed. WTF? Dept. of Energy. Repeal NAFTA!

Slice foreign aid. Stop the tax initiatives to big oil, unless the consumer benefits.

But the libbies don't want to cut spending, except for defense, to make our nation weaker.

Another "Dog & Pony" show .... for any American that will listen .... this is like going to a "Rigged" casino ..

The are not enough collective "Balls" in the entire congress of our nation to follow through on the threat! A bunch of "woofers" talking about a fight ...that they will never have; then go lift their leg on the nearest fire hydrant, and leave their scent ....

"I'M A BIG DOG!" ...

What a laugh ....

Unfortunately, that might save only about $350 Billion per year, while the deficits are more than a $Trillion higher than that

I agree. But it is a solid start. Coupled with reduced spending, this would be a better solution, IMO.

just print more money and payoff the debt. The dollar is worthless anyway. Just need to keep the system running untill new system is ready to go.

You can still and always will be able to buy a gallon of gas with a silver quarter and a loaf of bread with a silver dime.

Funny how mudslingers like wilburn and spanky refer to "libs" as taxpayer-sucking leeches, but I'd be willing to bet they BOTH live in red states that suck more tax money from the feds than they pay in. Here's the list of the worst offenders - hey, boys, any of these look familiar?:

SUBSIDISED STATES: (Dollars received for every tax dollar paid)

North Dakota (2.03), New Mexico (1.89), Mississippi (1.84), Alaska (1.82), West Virginia (1.74), Montana (1.64), Alabama (1.61), South Dakota (1.59), Arkansas (1.53), Hawaii (1.52), Virginia (1.47), Oklahoma (1.47), Kentucky 1.46), Louisiana (1.44), Idaho (1.34), South Carolina (1.32), Missouri (1.32), Maine (1.31), Tennessee (1.24), Iowa (1.22), Arizona (1.20), Maryland (1.20), Nebraska (1.19), Utah (1.14), Kansas (1.14), Vermont (1.12), Pennsylvania (1.08), North Carolina (1.07), Rhode Island (1.06), Wyoming (1.05), Ohio (1.02), Georgia (1.01). (26 Red States, 6 Blue States)

So you libbies still want to raise taxes?

You did see the neat little story this morning about the $200 billion that is wasted through government redundancy? I suppose we are to ignore that? Just not impportant, nothing to see there, eh?

You all get your house in order and then come back and we can discuss raising taxes on the "rich." And FYI your man O agrees with me - raising taxes on the "rich" is dumb.

Or are the Obama tax cuts for the rich just a sign of his failure to lead? Come on, pick.

I know it hurts you libbies, but life is hard and unfortunately many make poor choices. Time to back away from the tit.

And my man RealAmerican - I live in beautiful and totally insolvent Cali and I assure you I pay signifigant taxes, both through my business and personally. How about you Real? You pay taxes? Have you hired anyone lately? What are you doing to make it all better? Blogging?

Geesh...If I have to see that list of states one more time there RealAmericanFirst, how long have you been repeating this now?

I live ina blue state that sucks business..and the government...for all it can. One of the highest unemployment rates in the country and the tards still voted blue in Nov.

And newsflash... if you were to look at the federal dollars received in most of those states, the majority of the ones who received those dollars are not paying taxes and voting liberal. Fortunately they are just outnumbered by common sense.

I will allow those 85 Democrats who voted against this measure take my job (that they are trying so hard to get rid of) and I will trade my wages ,that I can't make a living with, for their outrageous salary.

They can also figure out how to care for the thousands of handicapped young people that our group cares for every day. Let's see what kind of a storm that brings in when they drop this ball.

There's your 'fair deal', dirty politicians.

Guys,

You all are joking right? It's time we take back what our forfathers left us. USA!! If we ran our businesses the way they run our country we would all be homeless. They forget one thing that is extremely important. We are not here for them. They work for us and everyone seems to forget this little thing. Enough is enough

Some GOP House members opposed the bill because it did not include more controversial measures to defund Planned Parenthood and the implementation of the Obama-backed health care plan.

But, the rethugs would rather vote in lock step to give tax cuts to big oil!!!

Where are the tea baggers when they need to be fiscally conservative?

That was one clear reason for its existence. Whoops, that is a dirty little secret. Things go better with Koch (pronounced coke) since the Koch brothers needs Tea baggers to continue to build the support for tax cuts.

@NS: Take it back where ? Are you one of those who believe we should go BACKWARDS ?

@Please: look at the vote count. Some of these idiots didn't want to vote for it because it did not punish women enough.

Hopefully de-funding of Planned Parenthood (a misnomer since they only deal with "unplanned" parenthood) will be included in the complete budget.

You want to kill your child, I think you're a sick selfish person but go ahead.

Put it on a credit card, that way you can be reminded of what you did with every months statement!

Punish Women huh? The whole agenda is to punish women? Please get a grip. It's our tax dollars that are being questioned...not women's rights.

And I would'nt go as far as Paine Sense has. I definately don't want these women to feel ongoing pain, shame, hurt, or anything else. I would hope we can find a way to help people deal with the decisions they have made and the outcomes of those decisions. But it is not up to the tax payers to provide support for those decisions.

@Duh101 who wrote:

@Please: look at the vote count. Some of these idiots didn't want to vote for it because it did not punish women enough.

Didn't know that having a Child was "Punishment", Hmmmm........ Your poor parents!

Take it back!!! we the people BY the people!!! NOT we the people for the Goverment. We need to stop all of this garbage. They have a part time job, they make more then all of us and the get retiremnet after that. get real!!! We need to stop paying for all of this. Why do you think we left England the first place? To find new land? Get serious. Read the Constituion Its the one thing they do not want us to do

Tea. The unions/teachers, etc did agree to a cut in beneifts, etc, just not the part of cancelling bargining rights. No money can be saved in cancelling the rights. But, because you do not have a tea leaf, you listen to what a "human" named Walker says. He Lies and Lies and Lies.

First, he should give up his State Government Health Care....Next he should give up his pension or at least pay into them.

When Mr. Walker downsize his own pocket, then maybe the people will listen. I wonder how many Republicans are crying in their milk that he was elected. Believe it or not, teachers are Republicans too.

If we had JOBS (as promised in 2010 electiions), tax money would go into the Federal Government. That just one way we could downsize our debt.

"They are willing to compromise on the barefoot part"...hahaha...good one from Cali

hahaha...and the libbies are fine with women being on their knees under desks with cigars handy...I wonder what Fiesty thinks about that treatment of women?...hmmm

Cue772

We have a problem. Obviously your brain is not quite big enough. You plan to tax our way out of the national debt? Nope.. sorry. You cannot increase spending and then increase taxes thinking increased revenue will not be eaten up by the excessive spending we have not covered.

Your problem is that you are an illiterate moron. Try learning how to read. The tax rates are the lowest they've been in 60 years and the tax cuts for the wealthy are adding $70 billion to the deficit annually. That's just arithmetic. But since you can't read, you probably can't count once you run out of fingers and toes, either.

But the libbies don't want to cut spending, except for defense, to make our nation weaker.

Weaker against who? We spend more than 4% of our GDP on defense; other developed nations spend 2.5% or less. None of them is likely to go to war against us. Al-Qaeda? For every dollar we spend, they kick in maybe half a cent.

Reducing defense spending to, say, 3.5% of GDP won't make our nation weaker. It will, however, make it stronger since we could use that money to pay down the debt or invest in a more productive job sector. By happy coincidence, that would be the hundred billion arbitrary dollars you cons (an apt term if there ever was one) want to cut from the budget.

But what I really don't get is why you care in first place. As near as I can tell, the cons hate about 75% of the country anyway. What difference does it make to you if we're strong or weak?

Randi2 - no, conservatives don't want to live in the past, but you FR liberals sure do like to dwell in the past. Just think of all the billions you could spend on social giveaways if you didn't spend all those billions on servicing interest payments on our debt.

We see opportunities ahead while you poor misguided individuals close your eyes to the future.

Paine Sense -

Only 3% of Planned Parenthood's budget goes to abortion . . . and NONE of that comes from tax-payers. Do your research and deal with facts instead making things up.

The majority of what PP does is provide health care and contraceptives. You get rid of that, less contraceptives go out. Are you willing to take care of the flood of unwanted babies? Come on, man up . . . are you willing to take care of them? Of course not, you will tuck-tail and cower away while passing judgment on others. Why don't you try coming up with a solution for all the unwanted children, and how we will pay for them all? Oh that's right, you have NO SOLUTION.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness... Not happiness, not health, not education, not retirement, not abortions, not a$$-#ucking, not collective bargaining.

And newsflash... if you were to look at the federal dollars received in most of those states, the majority of the ones who received those dollars are not paying taxes and voting liberal. Fortunately they are just outnumbered by common sense

I hope they are not using the same "common sense" logic as in your post. Do you really expect us to believe that small minority of liberal consituents in the overwhelmingly Republican, and more sparsely populated, states at the top of that list still manage to use more Federal tax dollars than the majority of liberal states that pay more than they receive?

At least we can agree on the problem if not the reason. I'm all for cutting the states loose and letting each make their own decisions as they see fit. I'm over trying to convince people who don't listen to reason and live thousands of miles away from me to act in their own best interest. The patronizing and moronic ramblings on the political right have done their job. I care less about other people now and I am sick and tired of living with the outcome of their poor decisions.

The Federal governemnt can provide for the common defense and states can make their own decisions on all social or spending issues. We'll go our way and you go yours. Good riddance to you and don't come back...

hahaha...and the libbies are fine with women being on their knees under desks with cigars handy...I wonder what Fiesty thinks about that treatment of women?...hmmm

It was her CHOICE - you already know how us libruls feel about choice don't you?

Matter of fact - she enjoyed it so much she decided to keep her little blue dress as a momento!

ROY WILSON-336103 Theres a good reason the budget is greater than Bush's...Bush didn't include funding for two wars in the budget (all emergency supplementals). Subtract the spending for two wars at the level they were at from Obama's budget...it looks a whole lot better.

Well put,"Fisted Roadhead",well put!

what's deal with a womans choice to be barefoot and pregnant?...just wondering...do you still get to "defend" her?...trying to understand the rules

and it was her "choice"?...how do you know that ...were you in the room?...just wondering...after all no woman was ever "coerced" or "convinced" to do something against her will by a libbie

TK-2141973

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness... Not happiness, not health, not education, not retirement, not abortions, not a$$-#ucking, not collective bargaining.

In short, my corporate masters want you desperate and poor so you'll work for anything, and my party wants you to have only "party approved sex" with a "party approved partner"...and for you women...the party wants to control your uterus...with a smaller government of course.

Paine Sense:

You're an idiot and an ahole.

Planned Parenthood DOES stand for CONTRACEPTION...only 3% of its services are LEGAL abortions, most is for health screenining, std screening, and contraceptives. How about doing a little fact checking, moron, before opening your ignorant mouth. Additionally, dumb@ss, federal dollars haven't been used FOR OVER 30 YEARS. Time to get an update, ahole.

You don't like abortions, fine, don't have one.

The vast majority of women who do make that sad choice don't have credit cards to put the cost on, they don't have the extra money lying around to pay for another mouth to feed.

But you keep spreading misinformation and lies, honey. There are a lot of idiots who DO believe your bs.

@Cali who wrote:

Paine Sense -

Only 3% of Planned Parenthood's budget goes to abortion . . . and NONE of that comes from tax-payers. Do your research and deal with facts instead making things up.

The majority of what PP does is provide health care and contraceptives. You get rid of that, less contraceptives go out. Are you willing to take care of the flood of unwanted babies? Come on, man up . . . are you willing to take care of them? Of course not, you will tuck-tail and cower away while passing judgment on others. Why don't you try coming up with a solution for all the unwanted children, and how we will pay for them all? Oh that's right, you have NO SOLUTION.

While your percentage is correct, the 3% is in reference to percentage of visits for an abortion, not 3% of their budget. Percentage of the budget for this would probably be a little bit higher but not much, maybe 5-6%.

While it's true that they are prohibited from using federal grant dollars for abortion services, the Hyde Amendment is meaningless as federal dollars are still going to an organization that performs abortions and once those funds are deposited in their accounts there is no difference between them and private donor funds.

I Have a solution, since you care so much about this organization why don't YOU, as you say.. "Man Up" to keep it in operation. We have sex education in schools!, provide free condoms if you like, I have no problem with that, It's just that all services provided by this organization are available elsewhere with the exception of Abortion.

In regards to the "Unwanted Babies" remark, I have solutions, First everyone of these Babies has a Mother and a Father, they are the ones who REALLY need to "Man Up"! Secondly, Do the right thing and carry your Baby to full term and put them up for adoption. If the birth parents can't provide a stable home for these Babies then they should at the very least do what Good Parents do, put the interests of their kids first and allow them to be placed in a home where they are wanted. I know Personal Responsibility is mean, right?

Oh I LVOE this... everybody commenting sounds like a buncha spoiled brats who got called on their misdeed, and are now blaming each other BWAAAhahahaha losers on both sides of the argument. All the brats from The Mickey Mouse Klub... Spanky's socking Darla in the eye, Buckwheet just kicked Alfalfa in the nadz and Buckwheet is doing his Victory Danse, Porky drop-kicked Weezer from behind... no problem gets resolved, and it's all being televised for the whole World to see and shake their heads in shame at the mighty 'merka...

If memory serves, there wasn't anything 'little' about 'that woman, ms Lewinski's' blue dress. Plus, I think he was slapping at the 'Prez' not the whore.

why hasn't Sally or Tyler acted on #1.65?...just wondering

@ wherescommonsense

Keep looking, it will come to you some day.

P.S. You made that poor decision, now take responsibility and live with it and stop lashing out at everyone for judging you.

It's an offense worthy of judgement!

true that Laura

Ol_Doc "ROY WILSON-336103 Theres a good reason the budget is greater than Bush's...Bush didn't include funding for two wars in the budget (all emergency supplementals). Subtract the spending for two wars at the level they were at from Obama's budget...it looks a whole lot better."

I made no mention of a Bush BUDGET. I was comparing actual expenditures in fiscal year 2008 (which INCLUDED all war spending in that year) with Obama's actual spending for the last two years (which also included all war spending), so the comparison I made is actual 'apples vs apples'.

Nice try at a 'spin' though.

Research people!

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036

Repealing the Bush tax cuts WILL not only solve the deficit but yield a surplus in 10 years.

Want more? 1.2 trillion dollars are traded every day on Wall St. Tax 5% or 6% just like they do any other item in th U.S. and see the trillions add up...

...wait, I just said to put taxes back they way they should be and tax wall street like everyone else... I gotta lock my doors and hide. Some extremist is bound to want me dead.

Bare foot and pregnant for the women and bare foot and no job for men, if these good ol boys don't cut the budget to the bone and turn things around.

This debt will drive the US broke and at the mercy to our enemies.....you all choose!

Democrat or Republican makes no difference...they both suck! they all lie and get paid off, while we the people get screwed big time....wake up America you will pay and pay.....and still no job.

.....says a man apparently alright with government passing a multi billion dollar obamacare bill while not knowing what 3/4 of it was. I'm glad you can stand on principle....

"While our politicians are playing politics the American people are still unemployed."

FTFY

Has anyone heard even ONE GOP'er explain how cutting 700,000 teachers, firefighters, police, garbage collectors, road workers, social services workers and meter readers from public employment will REDUCE unemployment? Sounds like some alternate universe theory of trickle-down from trickle-down from Koch-trickle to me.

Totally - because it was those EEVVILL Koch brothers that got us into this debt, right?

$14 Trillion is unfortunately in our universe. You get that right RAF? Of course you do.

RealAmericansFirst: Where did you get that information? Who's going to cut these jobs? I believe you should not report anything like this unless you can quote the source.

I do believe you made this up.

WANPIPE---------- You irrational types still don't get it do you?

We will get cuts, lots of cuts, if the conservatives have to shut the governmnet down to get them, fine.

We quit listening to you parasite enablers, you will, still, vote dem, if Obama announces tomorrow he is a practicing pedophile, you will still vote dem.

We don't have to consider you, at all.

Rubee -- I can't post links on here yet, but look at Ezra Klein's blog on the Washington Post. Trust me, it's not made up.

Rubee, are you THAT myopic? Part of the money being reduced goes to employees salaries. Those employees spend that money in their towns supporting their local businesses.

You don't need a source, common sense and general knowledge of how our government works would have lead to that conclusion. Freaking Teabaggers...

For God's sake, Rube, if you're going to support these rubes you should at least have some idea of what the outcome will be:

From Moody's Analytics' chief economist Mark Zandi:

GOP plan would cost 700,000 jobs

In order to help them in their goal to unseat President Obama in 2012, the GOP knows it MUST maintain unemployment above 8%. Look at everything they are doing and you see nothing but job killers. They have a Plan!

Spanky-

"Totally - because it was those EEVVILL Koch brothers that got us into this debt, right?"

ALright- whichever of you posted that it was those EEVVILL Koch brothers that got us into this debt please f'ess up? I just can't seem to find it anywhere.....

@ wanpipe and the rest of the liberal kool aid drinkers. Look to Obama's budget and you will see $150 billion in new spending for the defense department. Whew, sure glad the president can grow a backbone when needed and please the base. I hope the people I read comments from everday on this site actually work. Oh thats right, just got another extension on your unemployment benefits no need. Thank you democrats. You people are unreal. Look out your window the time for actions has come and the time for rhetoric is over.

Of course the left wing would never use scare tactics to further their agenda

Real American First, I know that Zandi reported that figure yesterday. But today Bernanke refuted them. It was on an earlier First Read today.

What's up DBO? You seem so distant lately. If I didn't know better I'd say you are ignoring me.

Is it me, or the MAN got you down and working you hard?

As an independent, I have to agree with Dennis-816242.

Remember, republicans will try to unseat Obama at any cost. It's a shame the cost will be American families and jobs.

Look, I cannot find a kind word for many politicians on either side of the court here. Let's see realistically, what we should cut? Hmmmm, let's cut education, police, firefighters, infrastructure construction, while giving billions to corporate welfare, because we all know they need the money, right?

That's the part that cracks me up about this debate, it's OK to continue funding for defense (which is a type of corporate welfare), and it's OK to continue subsidies to large corporations (oil, farms, banks etc...), and it's OK to reward US corporations who send our jobs overseas by giving them tax breaks. But, to help US citzens in need is a bad thing?

Look, I'm all for getting people off the dole somehow, I mean really, they have random drug and alcohol testing for many of us (you know, the actual working people, not executives) to be able to work and collect a paycheck, I'd be more than happy to let them drug and alcohol test the people on welfare, the ones many complain about that are on the dole.

Moving on, where does it say the new healthcare plan will fund abortion? If it does somewhere, OK, let's knock that out! I'm Ok with cutting that funding.

Now, those are the two major complaints of conservatives, if we fixed those, what are the real complaints now? (Besides there's a black guy in the White House)

Spanky:

Totally - because it was those EEVVILL Koch brothers that got us into this debt, right?

No, greedy Wall Street executives did that. The Koch brothers are just exploiting it in order to complete the devastation of the middle class.

Way too easy, Spanky. And also true.

Scott Walker: Closed to people. Open for business. If you're in the tank for the Koch brothers, you're "one of us."

Uhhh, Anna Molly - that was a great line the first 7-8 times you swang it around.

Straw man, it was wall street? Not entitlements? Huh, I guess I really missed that one. COme on Anna M, you are better than that. Besides the Kochs would not even recognize a middle classer if they were right in front of one, heavan forbid!

Question - how many electronic devices until you are no longer part of the "middle" class? Does a flat panel tv, family cell plan, xbox, cable (with premiun channel and NFL package) and three late model cars qualify as "rich?"

Tomorrow I demand that you come up with another equally witty slogan. But alas, it's time to retire this one. K?

Those "employees" losing their jobs and losing pay, are terrible at what they do, but the unions, who are basically a legal mafia, protect them. Here in Oregon, if you aren't a union shop for ANYTHING having to do with construction, you don't even get considered for the good jobs. It's basically the unions holding jobs hostage for dues. Good riddance to them all. Bust the unions. This isn't the 1910s where unions were required so people weren't working in sweat shops anymore. This is the "Give us money or suffer" unions of today.

You want to put 1/3 of the 9% unemployed back to work? Make marijuana legal! Creates jobs and also allows people who are discriminated against in the job market to not be viewed by employers as criminals.

Yup, cuz that's what I want....a waiter who can't remember my order or takes bites of my food cuz he has the munchies, or some idiot stoner driving my kids to school ala Otto....or some moron anything who is too high to perform said job. Weed...making the world come to a grinding halt since......what were we talking about?

Mark and Dennis are correct.

The GOP plan is to maintain or increase unemployment, then point the finger at Obama in 2012. Every Republican budget plan will requires hundreds of thousands of layoffs.

Gharms -

You fail at logic. Do you constantly have to deal with drunk waiters? Is the guy driving your kids to school drunk? Are you working with a bunch of alcoholics?

Remember, alcohol is legal . . . and according to your retarded logic, if it is legal then everyone will be doing it. Not everyone drinks. Not everyone smokes tobacco. Come on, Gharms. Explain to me how BOTH alcohol and tobacco are legal but not everyone uses it. According to you, EVERYONE will use weed if it is legal. So why doesn't everyone smoke and drink? I can't wait to hear your rationale.

hmmm... 61 billion divided by 700000 lost jobs equals $87142/job. Who said government paid workers weren't better paid than the private sector.

Zandi also says that for every dollar spent in unemployment will provide a return of $1.64 into the economy. Don't believe the multiplier just ask US navy. Figuring unemployment pay at 70% of ones gross pay of $87142.00 comes to $60999.00. This would mean that since the unemployment extension will allow these government workers to collect for about 1 year.

Based on zandi's unemployment economic stimulas multiplier this means that the $$$ cost to the economy would be 60999.00 x 1.64 x 700000 or > 70 billion dollars. The government would come out ahead by $9 billion dollars. Not exactly chump change for us private sector taxpayers

Maybe we should pull out of the garden Debbie Reynolds, Perry Como, Bob Hope and Marilyn Monroe to entertain you all on TeeVee so's to make you brats stop worrying about the crappy state of this country for a little while, eh Baby Boomer kidz? You received what you wanted in the past 40 years ; this economy is what you got. So watch yer TeeVee and shove Funyuns in your PieHoles until you fall asleep. Do that every single night forever. Brats.

Mark, ty for your post, the first BALANCED commentary, but I'm sure they'll be calling you a liberal because you didn't just parrot the approved 'anti-OBAMA/Democrat/liberal/progressive/any other expletive' talking points.

Re. Zandi's assessment of the 700k jobs lost...and Bernanke's response...given what I've seen of Bernanke, I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt...

There was an article out oh...in the last couple of weeks that revealed who was making bank processing the EBT cards...and lo and behold, it was JP Morgan Chase...yup, one of the banks who were bailed out...see they make money PER CARD they supply and service, so the corporate strategy would, logically, be to keep their bottom line in good shape via high unemployment.

Private contracts which take money from the government to provide services and facilities...sounds good on the face of it, doesn't it? Private companies can run things more efficiently and economically because they don't have to follow bureaucratic rules, their proponents suggest. However, because they ARE a private, FOR PROFIT business, do you think that perhaps their business model may include keeping their contract healthy by ensuring whatever facility or service they're providing remains stable or GROWS?

Arizona's immigration law was lobbied for and written by people who own a private prison...their business model suggested that locking up immigrants was a huge untapped source of income. Do you suppose their concern was for our debt? or their bottom line? And if you want to know why the Republicans want to defund NPR, well...NPR broke that story...

Just this week a Judge and others were convicted in a scheme to jail youths for profit. For real.

Soooooo Gov Wilson and all the other geniuses that want to outsource such services thanks to pressure from their wealthy contributors...

They aren't working in your best interest, or that of the offenders, the unemployed, the state's, or the nation's...give me a bureaucracy any day over the rampant greed of the people pushing for privatization...

Apparently banks are worthy of help, but not ordinary citizens who lost their jobs...I guess it really is who (which politician) you know (read: pay off)

Are you people kidding me? Or don't you people understand economics? I cannot figure it out. Libbies say tax conservatives cut cut cut.

If you Liberals out here believe anyone is going to do with less, because you tax them more, Alice is looking for you in Wonderland. All that is going to happen is the cost increase is going to be passed along to the consumer. Cut the subsidies to the OIL companies and WE ALL WILL PAY AT THE PUMP. INCREASE TAXES ON OIL COMPANIES AND THE CONSUMER WILL PAY THE DIFFERENCE. START TAXING EXEMPT ITEMS AND WE WILL ALL BE PAYING MORE FOR EVERYTHING.

Point is people company profit margins will stay the same regardless of taxes. The only thing that will change is the amount of money the consumer pays for goods and services. Which increasing taxes will only take more money out of our pockets.

Grow a brain people. I grow tired of reading threads that this is all Bush's fault. Buffalo Biscuits on that The lazy back siders that have learned to play the system for generations through entitlements. then turn around and beg for more. I do not have a problem helping anyone out but living off of the government is not helping matters one bit. A perfect example of this is S/S I have paid into this system for over 30 years and now I am being told my benefits will be cut to 75% of previous numbers and I have to wait longer to receive any of it. Most of this is due to the government's mismanagement of the funds in the 70's and 80's.

I have had it with the lies that come from DC and then to read a bunch of uneducated statements defending the very party most responsible for the wasteful spending. This puzzles me most of all.

And all the libs who want to cut the tax breaks for the wealthy. Let's cut them for everyone and then cut the war budget and bring the troops back home in 2012 like Bush wanted not 2014 like Obama extended it to. After that we can cut this long term unemployment benefits and lets just clear the housing market all at once for the people who are heading to foreclosure. Take the hit and get it over with and let's rebuild the Country. Repay the money that Clinton took from SS to make it look like he balanced the budget and had a surplus.

Let's make it one hard hit for everyone because if we lose the position of being the world's currency we are in real trouble. Get out of the ME and let them fight it out amongst themselves. Everyone is focusing on China as the next World power when you should all be watching India.

Exactly right. Planned Parenthood has prevented countless young women from having to get abortions for unwanted children. The GOP should be including PP in their prayers every night.

Logic doesn't matter one way or the other for them. They just don't care.

Right on...

Oh sure, let's make it possible for PP to let all the young girls drop their pants for anyone and then come running back for an abortion when they get pregnant. Yup, you libs really have the answers..........

There isn't a rational argument. The Pope thinks it's wrong to even use a condom. Religion isn't rational. So what it is in common with religion? Something supernatural. And what is that? Well, the supernatural part isn't in common. Among various religions we have: one God, gods, no gods; creation, no creation; heaven, no heaven; an eternal soul, no eternal soul; reincarnation, no reincarnation; Christ, no Christ. There isn't any evidence supporting one of those beliefs over the others. The Christian Bible gives Adam's age when he died, and when he had his kid that was part of the lineage to Christ. Every name in that lineage is there. That finishes up in Mathew 1. Christian scholars are stuck with around 6,500 years where there could have been humans. Oops. So much for the infallible word of God. Religion ISN'T rational.

Oh i get it no imigration bill.Yeah,not here in indiana(the real land of taxes)either,special intrest for my goffy govenor mitch.

usa1967

Oh sure, let's make it possible for PP to let all the young girls drop their pants for anyone and then come running back for an abortion when they get pregnant.

The question was whether anyone had a RATIONAL argument. Your Lolita fantasies don't count.

houston - haven't seen a rational argument on either side.

USA1967--

I find it interesting that you mention the girls and not the boys who are encouraged to bang as many girls as possible.

PP hands out condoms, and also offers contraceptives for girls...in case you didn't know, the contraceptives prevent pregnancy...I am sure you weren't aware of that little fact, so now you can support their work to PREVENT unplanned pregnancies and PREVENT abortions...

actually...it would say that if you want use your "choice" and have sex anytime you want then YOU can pay for the contraception method of your choice...why am I paying for your (collectively) daughters and sons to be stupid ...I don't care what people do in that regard , but as far as I am concerned they go down to the street corner and sell booty to get their OWN money to buy contraceptives.

Because the cost to society is far greater for the babies than the contraceptives...and i don't mean through welfare, I mean through jail, education services, foster care, keep adding to the list...

Contraception SAVES us ALL money...

Keep whining, overtaxed...you sound like bank of america, the oil companies, and the Koch bros. a lot of cutesy sound bites and pseudo rational commentary with little reality to support it...

Brilliant suggestion re. selling their booty to fund contraceptives...you want a little more fresh meat for your selections?

na...your not my type...but good luck on your favorite corner

Are you serious? Do you hear yourself, how clueless are you!!!! Wake up please the GOP cares about no one but the rich and themselves.

Perhaps you should read my comment again.

how clueless are you!!!! ... the GOP cares about no one but the rich and themselves.

are you two twins?

"Wake up please the GOP cares about no one but the rich and themselves."....hahaha

this only begins to shoot holes in that pathetic statement...thanks for throwing up the "softball"

"Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:

-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition."

then of course there is the fact that more democrat Senators are "rich" than republican Senators...hahahaha

@Over Taxed Again - That nonsense was thoroughly debunked on an older thread. They are talking about Republicans who donate to churches. Republicans are MUCH more religious. Republicans also think the church should take care of the poor - they don't want taxes to make it fair for everyone to have basic needs met like Democrats do. Democrats don't believe you should have to beg at a church, or participate in a religion that is not your own.

Democrats are pro-social programs, and Republicans hate them. Republicans want their money in their pockets or in their church.

The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

perhaps you should read the book...I thought libbies were the "intellects"

Walkers probably started to worry about the recall.

January 2012 cannot get her fast enough.

@Spanky: and how much is wasted on giving subsidies to oil companies which have been earning record profits ? How much on subsidies to farms which have an annual profit in excess of $100,000 ? How many times can we continue to build bridges to nowhere ?

duh101 - you forgot to mention high speed rail that doesn't have the ridership numbers to support its costs

hence the word "duh"

Some of us work AND care. That's why we're not Republicans.

Some of us work AND care. That's why we're not Republicans.

I couldn't have said it better myself! Thanks!

With everything going on in this country - that's what's most important to a bagger!

Great. So Real American and Fiesty how about helping out and hiring some folk?

That'd be very helpful, thanks.

FIESTY-------- Well sunshine, get ready, you libs still haven't realized, you have become immaterial.

Look for "relearn to work",, classes, if you have been living off of the backs of taxpayers, you are about to get hungry.

speakling of hiring some folks, where are the jobs- creating bills in relation to all the interest in unborn fetuses??

Wilburn, I have it from a reliable source that when the cuts come you will be the first one to go.

Not our Fiesty.

Fight it as hard as you can Fiesty - more posts, more hatred, more spewingof nonsense.

Only you can stop you Fiesty. Keep on keeping on. You are a ray of amusement.

So, wilburn, we're waiting for your explanation of where all the jobs created by the Bush tax cuts are. Waiting....waiting....

RealA and Drive By: "government help us. Please, we can't get along without you. Save us Obama!"

I know DBO has a job - his boss even let's him post while on the job, how about you RealA? You employed? Were you able to do that without help from the government?

`Fiesty may have a night job, or she maybe she can't sleep. Or maybe she is retired (I am) and gets up early to watch the sunrise. Maybe she is tired of the GOP (I am) and I hope she continues on and on and on.

Best of everything to you Fiesty.

Maybe she is tired of the GOP (I am) and I hope she continues on and on and on.

Thank you for the kind words slightly old!

Rest assured, I'm not going anywhere! ;o) Someones got to keep the righties on their toes!

Funny they can't comprehend the premise of multi-tasking! lol

you are correct! Most women are practical and not driven by the need for power due to an over abundance of hormone called testosterone. Men have not noticed but women do almost everything within the house hold. Budgeting, babysitting, cleaning, cooking, school, practice, work ect... Maybe if a woman was put into the Presidential role, things would be done correctly.

It's sad that you think this is a 1 party issue.

I am sorry that you feel the need to generalize party's However in my community we are having an abundant amount of people trying to adopt and get kids out of foster care and in to a home. Its not an easy processes and is like banging your head against a wall at times. However I see many family's willing to turn there life upside down to help. They are out there standing against the executioner trying to make a difference and they are on all of the different party sides not just Dem. or Rep.

Paul S and anyonomus: Paul, no one is rushing out to adopt the children that are not blue eyed and blonde hair and a baby.

anyonomus: Why do you people against abortion think you have to adopt to help. Go to a clinic and ask a woman to let you help with raising the child (no adoption) sign a contract that you will help as long as that child is under the age of 21. That that child will have a good education, will eat every day and will have clothes to where and a place to live with its mother.

So, unless you are willing to do this, shut up about other woman's body/ovaries.

I like you, slightlyold :) What a practical suggestion...

However, the states with the most restrictive abortion laws also have the least money available to help the women who have these babies or to support adoption of the 'unwanted' babies or those with special needs...

The interest, obviously, stops at birth...

"Obama care" has been ruled CONSTITUTIONAL in federal court. By more judges than the couple of GOP-appointed ones who ruled otherwise. Wishful thinking by a few Tea Partiers who don't know what the Constitution says doesn't change anything.

RealA - so I take it yo are not a constitutional law scholar?

Anna Molly, a little help here please. You know - "your" side and all.

The court that ruled Obama care constitutional has no more, or less, weight than the one that ruled it unconstitutional. As far as who appointed the judge... it's really of no consequence... all the judges involved are real federal judges in real courts with real jurisdiction. The fact they disagree simply means the Supreme Court gets to decide.

Not letting the SUPREME court settle this matter fules anger on both sides of the issue... which is in my mind absurd because once the Supreme Court rules... the issue is 100% over and that's that. My position on this would be exactly the same regardless of who authored the law and regardless of my political leanings... I am an AMERICAN first and AMERICA is built on the constitution. Any administration that loses sight of that is on a dangerous course REGARDLESS of political affiliation.

whether or not its constitutional is not really whats important! it's whether its the right thing for the people to have health coverage! insurance companys are out of controll and will keep going until something is done to controll costs. most think we should import it from China like everything else! i think every human being deserves good health! most middle class think only the well to do deserve good health! one day they may be on the same playing field as the rest of the poorer folk. good luck getting votes than!

Absolutely they should not have given any funding to this fiasco. It is most definitely unconstitutional because the federal government has no power to force anyone to participate in market product. In addition they used their stretch and a big stretch it is of interstate commerce to excuse this. That is beyond rediculous since health care insurance can't even be bought over state lines, that is one of the changes that should be made. The government has very limited power in this arena and have used it in the past to expand the federal government size and power. This is exactly one of the bad things that got us to where we are and now we face a bill that the majority of the people who are supposed to be the power in our country did NOT want. This whole thing is a bad joke and a disgraceful attempt to move forward a socialistic society. Someone should remind Harry it didn't work in Russia and it won't work here. Now there is a plan afoot for the government to try to force banks to lower the principal owed on houses of those who are upside down (owe more than their house is worth) because they took out a loan they can't pay and borrowed too much on the house. So, here we go again, punishment for working hard and having any kind of success. If you saved and put down a 20% down payment on your home and kept the cost of the home down to what payments you knew you could afford. You may be back to square one and lose any additional money you put in your house as the value has been pushed down by all the foreclosures, but the current administration doesn't give two hoots about you. Only those that did wrong in the first place or just took advantage of the stupid push to make everyone able to get a house will profit and the rest of us can pick up their bills for them. When did it become the job of those that try to carry those that don't? The real joke will be on them when those that work hard, the majority of which will be retiring in the next few decades, die off because Obama care pulled the plug on thier health care and there is no one left to pay for those that just look for handouts.

Health care reform is certainly within the realm of "promot[ing] the general welfare" (preamble to the Constitution) and "provid[ing] for the common Defence and general Welfare" (Article 1, Section 8). You need to learn the difference between the CONSTITUTION and your personal biases.

And offpath is right - our current system is illogical, expensive and inequitable. Why would anyone play semantics instead of fixing it?

Offpath 194??????

Dude(ette) what you just said is about as un-american as you can get. Sadly, I suspect you have absolutely no idea of that. Sader, is the fact that Obama does understand, he just doesn't care.

My goodness.

To allow insurance to be sold over state lines is to completely go against state rights. How would you feel about a company in Arkansas selling insurance in, say, New York and New York having no control on what the insurance covers or even if it covers anything. And suppose the Arkansas company refuses to pay benefits or goes bankrupt who would force them to pay?

jnap...I get my car, and home insurance from a state different than the one I live in , some of the companies in my state went to haggling with them and they came up with the lowest rate and best service...states are already looking at the details of opening the market

"refuses to pay benefits or goes bankrupt who would force them to pay?"...easy your liberal brothers in the "tort law" world would have a field day, you wouldn't want to take food out of their childrens mouths would you?

YEAH!! A person who finally sees the problem! Public officals should not be paid to hold office, they chose to run. It is a voluntary position therefore one should not be paid to represent. We all need to have a history lesson! Our country is on the verge of a revolution. This time we will not be fighting the King and his Intolerable Acts we will be fighthing against ourselves and our government. Looks like Egypt in the making. FYI, I do not care what any of you think, I will not be responding to any stupid comments.

Let the military raise its own money as well then.

Let me paraphrase that for you, Tom -

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"Let the military raise its own money"?? That's a pretty stupid comparison, defund Planned Parenthood and the military, how long do you think our country would last if we didn't have a military to defend it? Or is that you goal?

Amen to that! Planned Parenthood makes Billions from baby killing... Why do we let this go on, and on, and on... someone will be called into account for this ...

Funding for the military is in the Constitution, PP is not.

I don't know where you live but here in the South, they would love nothing more than an invading army to storm the beaches. I guarantee there are probably more guns in a 10 mile radius than any military installation.

RICHARD---- Let me see if I can give you a hint.

You are correct it's mine, I earned it and I'm keeping it

Youn want to give them your money, feel free, you want mine you will have to pay the price to get it.

We are sick of the thieves and parasite enablers, just keep on, see whta happens.

Planned Parenthood kills more black babies than any other race. Why do you think Democrats want to fund it? In fact if you want to donate to the cause, you can give money to any of the local clinics and set a condition that it go to abort black children only.

See blackgenocide.org.

DelFairchild - see post #15.1

Vivian, darling, step away from whatever it is you're smoking or drinking.

Honey, Planned Parenthood is a NOT FOR PROFIT 501c-3 corporation. You anti-choice people are so ignorant it would be laughable if you weren't so pathetic...

Not true at all, Mike.

From Parenting Magazine:

• Of all Planned Parenthood health services, 35 percent are contraceptive services, another 35 percent are STI/STD testing and treatment, and 16 percent are cancer screening and prevention (including Pap tests, HPV vaccinations, and breast exams), while abortion services account for just 3 percent (another 11 percent include other women's health services like pregnancy tests and prenatal visits as well as primary health care for women and men and adoption referrals to other agencies)

• Planned Parenthood provides sexual and reproductive health care and education to over 5 million women, men, and adolescents every year—and of those, approximately 3 million are in the U.S.

• Planned Parenthood estimates that its contraceptive services help to avert 612,000 unintended pregnancies and 291,000 abortions each year

• Eighty-three percent of Planned Parenthood health care clients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy

• Almost 80 percent of Planned Parenthood health care clients are age 20 and older

• Seventy-five percent of Planned Parenthood health care clients have incomes at or below 150 percent of the federal poverty level

• Twelve percent of Planned Parenthood health care clients receive abortion services

And do these 12% pay for their abortions or do we TAXPAYERS pay?? I think I know the answer.

I'd rather pay for an unwanted kid, than one who grows up in a dysfunctional home, learns about drugs and other street activities, then shoots some fool. Then I have to foot the bill for 30- 50 years of life imprisonment. Awaiting next stupid comment...

Go right ahead, pay for it.

We are tired of telling you enablers, next time you try to stick your hand in our pockets you may well draw back a wrist.

You would think the Tea Party folks would be happy to pay for fewer Liberals being born...

usa1967:

Late last week, as part of a plan to reduce the federal deficit, Republicans in the House of Representatives voted to end federal funding to Title X, a 40-year-old federal grant program that provides aid to low-income Americans for family planning and reproductive health (but does not directly fund abortions). It cost about $317 million in 2010.

As part of that bill, Representative Mike Pence, a Republican from Indiana and longtime foe of abortion, had introduced an amendment banning Planned Parenthood from receiving any federal funding at all, thus putting into jeopardy its approximately $75 million share of the Title X funding. Because federal funding of abortions is already disallowed by law, this funding ban would mean that Planned Parenthood could no longer receive any federal funding, including Medicaid, to provide affordable cancer screenings, HIV testing, STI/STD testing and treatment, or birth control.

Planned parenthood annual report: Southwest Ohio Region

New Patients 14,128

Sexually transmitted disease tests 34,016

Pap Tests 7,681

Pregnance tests 12,682

Breast Exams 8,805

Emergency contraceptives 1,649

surgical abortions 2,719

medical abortions 170

hiv tests 1,303

Colposcopies 292

Facts: read them and understand Planned Parenthood does alot more than provide abortions! .

Planned Parenthood is not making money from abortions, federal funds have been disallowed for this since 1977...please, get your facts straight, it just makes you look dumber than you already are.

And PP is a 501c-3 NOT FOR PROFIT corporation.

I am young but am trying to learn and understand politics, laws our leadership, the goverment etc....

I have a question if someone can pls answer....Why do we have to pay for people on section 8 when they have a significant other living with them who makes ALOT of money yet know one knows and why is it that wellfare allows you to be unemployed and uneducated and allows you to still produce more children? I stress I don't know the facts thats why I am asking...But I would think if someone aka the taxpayers are paying for you you would be limited to how many years you can be on it and you would need to show some sort of accomplishment while being on it and def were limited to your amount of children you have until you are supporting yourself....would any of this help our economy?

uhhh...can PP PROVE that no federal money goes to fund abortions ?...the money goes into the pool and gets "lost" ...so PP and YOU should have to prove that no federal funds go to abortion, and believe it , smarter people than you have already asked them to actually prove it and they can't and dare I say niether can you....and it just makes you look as dumb as you are

Mjaym

Facts: read them and understand Planned Parenthood does alot more than provide abortions! .

Love to, but you didn't post the link where you got this from.

Over Taxed Again

uhhh...can PP PROVE that no federal money goes to fund abortions ?...the money goes into the pool and gets "lost" ...so PP and YOU should have to prove that no federal funds go to abortion, and believe it , smarter people than you have already asked them to actually prove it and they can't and dare I say niether can you....and it just makes you look as dumb as you are

Ok Einstein, prove that it does.

You can't

sonny...I haven't posted yet where I say it does...I have simply refuted the claims that "it doesn't" that seem to be written in stone in the heads of libbies...nice try and thanks for playing the game...

Bill Clinton was President - he didn't have a vote in the budget process. Remember?

(Nice historical revisionism)

Who cares, who, shuts it down, The inept lying quasi socialist in the white house can't spend any money if the governmnet is shut down.

That is as good as it gets as long as Emperor Barry I, is in office.,.

LOL

Vivian, are you teaching social studies down in Texas?

Yes Washington needs to cut their bills!! They are living high off the hog. We have to face reality in cutting our costs to survive I think it's time they do too!! AND something needs to be done with BP too, they are millionaiers taking all of us for a ride with the hefty gas prices! This is in sane and they started this crap at the beginning making our country go into a resession. It is getting worse!! Not better!

Unhappy Tax Payer:

AND, the sad thing is, Congress votes for all their benefits themselves. Shouldn't the taxpayers have the right to make that decision for their Congressman/Senator?

Add in the fact that myself and all military retirees I know just got rduced checks because of increased FICA tax deductions. How about that top 10% and congress???

You are correct.

And here's a vote from the center... agreed. Freedom of choice is paramount.

I give of my time and money to Planned Parenthood, Hospice, and a shelter for homeless teens. Where do you donate YOUR time and money?

Oh, right, it's yours and you're keeping it...I forgot...

Tom,

Yes, by all means. Let's do it on tax returns.....

On your tax return you fill in a blank which requests your political affilation. Those who fill in Liberal automatically have $500 deducted as their contribution to this worthy cause which they support. Seems fair to me.

I like it.

lol Hillary gave what to who ? She spent her own money ? . Its impossible for her to have spent ours npd . She doesn't control government spending.

You ask too much. Just look at public sector unions - no need to generate profit, no matter how incompetent you get promoted and get a pension.

You ask for a clue from those who have no concept of the real world, you know where performance matters and actions have consequences.

You do realize that all your teabag heroes will continue to get their paychecks even if they shut the government down for the rest of us, right? Are you on their case to give those up?

Well schucks since they are my "heroes" then it must be all right with me.

I take it you were not captain of the debate team in college?

By the way since you are a "real american" and all, and since we clearly disagree, am I not a real american? Just how does one qualify to be a "real" american?

Broad statements like "20% paycut for all federal workers" is just flappin your jaws without knowing any facts. Not all federal employees make outlandish salaries! I work in the private sector, my husband is a civil service employee for a federal air force base. We support our family, paycheck to paycheck and could not take a 20% cut in pay! I assure you we do not live above our means. Not to mention the fact that we are Republicans. I agree there needs to be many other budget cuts but making broad statements such as this is just stirring the pot. Lets find a real, workable solution!

Yes, all Federal Employees...including the House of Rep. The Military. All of them.

all this jing janging about planed parenthood and all the other minute issues are all about politics and not about the budget. hello, social security, defense and medicare take up most of the budget. its either tax more AND mssive cutbacks, or continue these games year after year. these three wont go away, and niether will the people affected by the "solution". nobady wanting to get re elected is even going to bring this up. so untill they do, everything else is just bull grease.

I know, bonaroo. I wish the bunch of them (both parties) would stop posing for snapshots and issuing soundbites and would just get down to business. There's enough hot air in Congress to float the hindenburg