Steven,

It makes NO DIFFERENCE that 26 states are calling Health Care Reform uncocstitutional and are suing. The Supreme Court will decide...NOT the states.

skip

Health care is a humanitarian issue and not a for profit issuelike you stated. Until the American people realize this, our health care will continue to plummet into 3rd world nation status.

Problem is the insurances companies have change this view around 108 degrees in this country to the point that people believe the only way to get medical services and treatment is through an insurance company.

They no longer see the insurance companies for what they are. Middlemen that drive up the cost of health care. They provide no medical services or treatment, yet their cost of doing business is reflected in every medical service or treatment you pay for.

The only way for inurance companies to help meet and help solve this country's health problems is if they were non-profit.

If this doesn't tell you how wrong Obuma's health care reform is. Shame on the people who support it.

Skip -

Liberals like to cry about the children not getting needed health care, but there are resources out there for them - Children's Hospitals, St. Jude's, Shriners' - Physicians often donate time to treat these kids and the hospital does not charge if the family cannot afford it. I know this because my daughter's son was in the hospital numerous times in his first year due to asthma (once it was diagnosed, it's triggered by milk products). Not once did she receive a bill for services.

Nearly every large city has a one of these hospitals, and in those areas that don't the organizations work with local doctors and hospitals to get care to the children who need it.

By the way - where do you think most of the kids brought in from overseas for medical care for their serious conditions get their care?

How is being charged more for health care and for health insurance 'helping the middle class'?

Charged more? Tammy - if you are a republican, you are not going to be able to understand health care reform. Newt Gingrich is thought to be an intelligent republican and he couldn't understand a simple statement that the white house made about the Federal Marriage Act. A republican understanding somethng as complex as health care reform isn't going to happen.

sounds like whining to me and second hand info also

Speaking truth is not whining. Have you anything of substance to say hoxie?

Now Ted Kennedy. He was a real man alright. He left that gal in the pond to die while he ran home and drank water to dilute his alcohol. A real American hero to cowards just like him.

You must have hit a nerve Fire.

Jamie R

Sorry that you're so misinformed about the health care reform. You're not alone. All the Democrats who supported it don't have a clue either. Even the Democrats who voted on it don't have a clue what they voted on. There was so much back room dealing for yes votes, the bill became an abortion to accomadate the deals.

For example if you ask people off the steet about it, the people's reply would be that they are getting free health care. And you know and I know that isn't going to happen.

The statement from the White House was that it was one of the flaws in the bill that need correcting. But still isn't corrected. No. I'm not mistaken.

Jamie -

All Obamacare does is exchange one group of people without health insurance (who will become subsidized by the taxpayer) for another (who will be unable to continue to purchase their own health insurance due to skyrocketing costs, but will earn too much to qualify for subsidies). The democrats even admitted this prior to final passage of the unconstitutional debacle and anyone who was willing to listen, heard the message.

50 million have no insurance now. 23 million more will be covered under HCR. See here: http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1737-How-Does-the-Reconciliation-HCR-Bill-Compare-on-the-Numbers-

And if you want to see how the subsidies work, see here: http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx

Agreed Doberman. This former Obama supporter has dedicated much time stating my disappointment in our President. It's not that I dislike Democrats all of a sudden. I just have more in common with the right regarding fiscal responsibility and smaller government. I'm looking for some Democrats that are not led by the nose by special interest groups and old guard Democrats. There aren't any that I have see yet. We do need a two party system.

For the past 40 year or so I've watched as both parties have been destroying this country. Its reach a point that they both parties have borrowed trillions of dollars from foreign nations to pay for their folly. They've created a debt that is surly going to destroy this country, like the debt that destroyed the U.S.S.R.

The sad part is I've had to sit by and watch the American people allow it to happen.

The post here on Newsvine tell me our destruction is eminent; the American way of life will soon be a fond memory lost in some future history book.

The American people have lost the ability to reason and thus think for themselves.

Not all of us, Doberman.

FYI - I didn't vote for either Bush or Obama, but for one of their opponents.

Bush was never able to explain his AWOL status in the reserves (I was active duty Air Force) and seemed like an idiot. I also felt that the electoral votes for Texas should have gone to the opponent due to Cheney (residency requirements for the average American is 6 months, isn't it, when moving to another state?).

Obama has too many ties to the Daley political machine, and having grown up in Illinois, I know just how crooked they can be.

As a result, I felt I couldn't trust either of them and voted for a lesser 'evil'.

One thing I did feel about the 2008 election, though - I knew that the democrats would take Congress and that we needed a republican or some other party to balance things. I was right - the country's in even worse shape today than it was during the 2008 elections.

Doberman, what are you talking about? here we gho with facts again....but didn't Clinton( a DEm) leave Bush baby a surplus to start his adminstration.....A surplus mean NO debt Doberman! Then in * years under Bush what did Obama inherit Doberman? Let me tell you.....10 trillion dollars in debt.....2 wars never paid for and never showed up in any of Bushes budget he submitted to congress.....and he spend all the surplus TOO!780,000 people loosing their jobs each month when he took office...the worst recession since the great depression....businesses not spending.....consumer not spending.....and lets not for get those 2 large tax cut for the riches 2% of american and did not pay for them either.....

Doberman, unless you were born in the last 2 years, and I doubt that or had amnesia the last 10 years or was in a coma... how can you say both party contributed to the dedicit....and let's not forget the prescription drug law for elderly passed by repubs and they(repubs) squeeled lile PIGs when the dems tried to add bargaining of prices to low costs......

Doberman I could go on.....this is just the beginning.....how about the 3000 jobs a month bush created during his whole presidency...300k vs over 20 million created during clintons 8 years?????/

facts are tricky things Doberman, but should be ignored! I don't know what party you belong to and couldn't care less.....just speak the truth man!

Are you really that ignorant?

It sets a baseline that the states cannot afford to cover. Why? Because anyone with a lick of business sense will dump employees into the pool which will be nothing more than Medicaid .... then you'll be really happy when private pay hospitals crop up all over and you, sir, are not welcome.

sorry stevie....read the law!!! the law doesn't allow businnesses to do that! No picking and choosing allowed by the dems....we made sure of that because they knew repubs like you would try every slimy way possible to game the system in their favor!

did you finish grade school? CAn you read? facts are sometime hard to swallow stevie.....

A.b.

If you didn't know it, you've learned it here. Loophole. Companies can offer cash to their employees to purchase the required health insurance for themselves. And you can bet they going to do it. I would. It will save a ton of paper work and money as the cash payout wouldn't be as great as the benefit payment.

But that still won't stop the companies from raising their prices to cover the cost. We the consumers are getting screwed it both way if this law takes effect.

so I ask you Doberman...what the answer? leave 45 million uninsured to use the emergency room for free and have everyones cost go up each year.....cost have gone up so much most workers with a family of 4 are already paying $1700/month to insure their family.....this is what the business charges them now....and how about the 45000 who die each year because of no insurance....maybe your one of the wealthy few who didn't need to worry....but I believe the law has income subsidies to help people pay depending on their level of income...not including all the other benefits it offers...like no preexisitng conditions....and not being kicked off when you get sick and the insurance co doesn't want to pay or insuring you kid until he 25 if he/she's in school...you don't know what you are talking about and have not read the law....

And what's your parties solution stevie? Do nothing!!!!! leave 45 million uninsured to use the emergency room for free and pass the costs to everyone who has insurance or pays!!!!.... or just let the 45000 who die each year continue to die for lack of health insurance! you're a real piece of crap Stevie and a real symbol for the party of NO!!!!!!!

Move over and let those with a brain lead! You're are the poster child of the results that have come from the dumming down of our education system the last 25 years!

A.B.

One solution would be non-profit insurance companies. Its the insurance companies profit margins that have cause all the problems in this country's health care system.

I find that the Democrats catering to that profit margin rather than the humanitarian issue is amazing. You would think it would be the other way around. The Republican would catering to the profit margin issue.

doberman...wrong again....the reason insurance companies are in the law is because repubs wanted them....dems wanted all public and repubs squeeled like pigs in support for the insurance industry.....if you ask 99% of dems they would say ALL ...I repeat ALL health care should be not profit.....go look at the insurance lobbies, drug lobbies and hospital lobbies and see who they donated money to in 2010 and I bet 80% of their money went to the repubs and they don't give that money for free...they expect the repubs to do their dirty work and help them such the middle class dry....and middle class like you fall for the sh_t!.....just the donations of the rich like the billionaire Kohl brothers gave their donations to the repubs.....repub governor of Wisconsin sure took the call fast when he thought he was talking to D. Kohl...he sounded like a baby piggy sucking on his sow moms' tit...only it was the MOney tit!!!!!

WRONG!

It is very easy to prove that you are lying as well. Just look up US national debt, you will find all sorts of factual information that you can take your pick from. Also, keep in mind that CONGRESS controls the purse strings and the House of Representatives is responsible for originating spending bills - not the president. In fact, the statistics for Congress are as follows:

Since 1945 -

Republicans have controlled the House for only 14 years out of a total of 64 years which means that the democrats controlled the House of Representatives for 50 of those years or 78% of the time.

Republicans have controlled the Senate 20 years out of 64 total years, meaning that the democrats controlled the Senate for 44 years or 69% of the time.

The presidency has been nearly 50-50, with the republicans holding the edge here by just 4 years.

As to the debt - While a president may recommend a budget, he does not write it - the House does, and then the Senate ratifies it. The only thing a president can do is veto it, and if Congress has the votes, they can override a veto.

So, keep this in mind when considering the debt. By the way - the last time Congress sloughed off on a budget was under Carter - another democrat president with a supermajority in the Senate for a time.

The debt was $5.7 trillion when Bush took office (the debt continued to grow on Clinton's watch, just not as fast). In the first 6 years of Bush's presidency, the debt rose to just under $9 trillion (with the wars included).

Then democrats gained control of Congress by running on a platform of reducing government spending, bit between 2007 to when Obama took office the debt climbed to $11.9 trillion, an increase of just under $3 trillion in just 2 years (Democrat Concress, republican president). Keep in mind that part of the 2009 debt is due to the stimulus that was added onto the FY 2009 budget by Obama and the democrats, supposedly to keep unemployment under 8%.

Under the democrat Congress and Obama the debt has grown to where it is today $14.2 trillion.

As for Reagan and Bush1, I would estimate that the debt grew by about $2.5 Trillion, estimating for 2 years of the 12 year span. Even under Clinton, the debt grew by about $2 trillion.

your right Lucas.....hatch saw what happens when you speak the truth to the Utah tee party.....he's a low life and doesn't deserve to be re-elected.....I hope the tee party runs a person....at least you'd know what your getting.....not a low life...tuck your tail....scumb bag politician pretending to be a devote tee partier!

So did Hillary, Kennedy, and how many democrats? keep in mind - Congress declares war, not the president.