Obama whacks Romney on health care -- again

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro and Athena Jones
Hillary Clinton used to get this kind of treatment from the opposing party, circa 2007.

President Obama this morning took another swipe at presumed 2012 candidate Mitt Romney for his health-care plan today at the president's speech before a bipartisan group of governors at the White House.

"I know that many of you have asked for flexibility of your states under this law," Obama said. "In fact, I agree with Mitt Romney, who recently said he's proud of what he accomplished on health care in Massachusetts and said he supports giving states the power to determine their own health care solutions. He's right. Alabama's not gonna have exactly the same needs as Massachusetts or California or North  Dakota. We believe in that flexibility, so right now under the law -- under the Affordable Care Act --  Massachusetts and Utah already operate exchanges of their own that are very different -- operate them in their own way, and we made sure that the law allowed that."

Zing.

Then the president touted his plan to move up the date that states can request waivers from 2017 to 2014.

"The same applies for other requests like choosing benefit rules that meet the needs of your citizens, or allowing for consumer-driven plans and health savings accounts," Obama said. "And this recognition that states need flexibility tailor their approach to their unique needs is why part of the law says that beginning in 2017, if you can come up with a better system for your state to provide coverage of the same quality and affordability as the Affordable Care Act, you can take that route instead.

"Now some folks have said well that's not soon enough, so a few weeks ago Oregon Sen Ron Wyden, a Democrat, and Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown, a Republican, and Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu, they proposed legislation that would acclerate that provision, so it would allow states to apply for such a waiver by 2014 instead of 2017. I think that's a reasonable proposal. I support it. It will give you flexibility more quickly while still guaranteeing the American people reform. If your state can create a plan that covers as many people as affordably and comprehensively as the Affordable Care Act does, without increasing the deficit, you can implement that plan and we'll work with you to do it."

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I live in Mass. and the mandatory health care sucks! The state is so far in debt trying to pay for all the people that can't afford it that our local aid is cut to nothing because of it. My son makes just too much money to get the free health care but can not afford to pay for the mandated care or through his work so he pays for the penalty through his taxes( it gets penalized through our state taxes) because it is cheaper. People have gone before the health care board because they technically have money according to the state(because the state is not taking into account all of your bills you pay to figure out your income) to show they can't afford paying for it, but the state say, "Oh yes you can!" It is a total nightmare for so many people. This is just the beginning of this mess if it goes through.

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Reply#55 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:44 PM EST

don't worry Diane - it is unconstitutional and if SCOTUS hasn't ruled it so by then the people will take things into their own hands when they elect a Repub Senate and replace 0bama after only 1 term. The American people are tired of this experiment and aren't worried about the Dems playing the race card or any other typical tactic that they use.

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#55.1 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:19 PM EST
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You have to start at the bottom. There are educated Republicans. The problem is that the majority of the republican party are lower socio-economic Americans that right wing media has stupified with brilliant propoganda. They have convinced people who really have no substance to be a republican to convert. They use trite issues like gun ownership, fear, and taking away the understanding that our society will not work for them if taxes are removed for common goods and services. I'd equate the comparison of them being republicans to a Jew saying Hitler wasn't that bad; maybe just a little angry. And where did the republicans who ought to be republicans go, why they went independent. We really have a problem with mis-information and misunderstanding. This collective bargaining crap. Its all part of a bigger agenda. And if you make less than $100,000 a year you are part of the agenda; and it don't look good for you. Please my republican friends, please educate yourself. ANd educating yourself can start at looking at where your opinions come from, right wing agendas that will leave you behind. Wanna start?>>> Look up the documentary, "Orwell rolls in his grave". You will see how the media is stifled and only gets info that the higher powers that be want them to have. And please, come back and lets have some common sensible discussion about all these issues, but please don't use Glenn,(I sleep with my Mother)Beck as a reference.He a twitless whining blowhard. Ever see the guy debate anyone with even limited intellectual capacity? Nope, cause he's doesn't want to be eatin alive. Its like eating dung, there's no nutritional value.

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Reply#56 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:44 PM EST

Well said.

    #56.1 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:14 PM EST

    Check out what you're saying, sir; in this past election nearly 60% of the lowest education bracket voted for the democratic party.

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    #56.2 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 12:09 AM EST

    Wonder,

    I didn't say that there are not of lower socio-economic folk on the democratic side. I'm saying that a lot of them make up the republican ticket also.

      #56.3 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 2:41 AM EST
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      President Obama is beginning to find himself, for the first time we're starting to hear the voice of true leadership. He's sounding like the leader of the free world. Pres. Obama is beginning find his voice and speak out against the inequities of the priviliged few(millionaires/billionaires) and their sycophants who've railed against the middle-class. Finally he's speaking in defense of all working class americans. Whether you be non union or union the libetarians and their necons' servants(glen beck,republican governors,rush limbaugh,bill o'reilly; etc.) are out to drive the middle class workers of america back to the stone age w/ their antiquated economic policies( supply side ) of trickle down theory, along w/ wrong -headed legislations geared to strip away workers' rights in the name of balancing state/federal budgets.

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      Reply#57 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:35 PM EST

      Hey Michael, in case you didn't know, he's already running for re-election in 2012.

      Remember, he's the one that will say or do anything to get re-elected!

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      #57.1 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:44 PM EST

      Hey MrTexas: the difference is that for the President to be re-elected, he needs positive results. The way the Republicans are angling for 2012, they're depending on the exact opposite.

        #57.2 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:19 PM EST
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        President Obama is beginning to find himself, for the first time we're starting to hear the voice of true leadership. He's sounding like the leader of the free world. Pres. Obama is beginning find his voice and speak out against the inequities of the priviliged few(millionaires/billionaires) and their sycophants who've railed against the middle-class. Finally he's speaking in defense of all working class americans. Whether you be non union or union the libetarians and their necons' servants(glen beck,republican governors,rush limbaugh,bill o'reilly; etc.) are out to drive the middle class workers of america back to the stone age w/ their antiquated economic policies( supply side ) of trickle down theory, along w/ wrong -headed legislations geared to strip away workers' rights in the name of balancing state/federal budgets.

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        Reply#58 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:40 PM EST

        Doesn't Obumma realize that Obummacare is almost identical to Romney's? Both are copies of what Hilary Clinton and Ted Kennedy wanted to force on us when Bill Clinton was president.

        It sure looks like they know the Supreme Court Justices are going to strike down the "unconstitutionality" of the entire mess!

        This crap we have now will only make healthcare so expensive and limit coverages where not even the government can afford it. I wish the people that tout that piece of crap would educate themselves on what the Obummacare really is and what it would cost before they start promoting it.

        Remember, How many "free" things do you think the government is going to give and how successful do you think they will be in managing it? Stop and think, the "government" is you and me and I for one don;t want to finance a zillion people healthcare while they sit on their butts and do nothing!

          Reply#59 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:43 PM EST

          MrTexas,

          It's no coincidence that Health Care Reform (which you so lovingly call "Obummacare") is modeled from Romney's vision. I would call that a bipartisan bill, wouldn't you? Do some research regarding what parts are Republican ideas...you may be surprised.

          As far as the Supreme Court ruling Health Care Reform unconstitutional, that just isn't going to happen, so don't get your hopes up.

          Read on:

          http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

          http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/more-malarkey-about-health-care/

          http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/12/10/truth-about-health-care-waivers

          We are all entitled to our own opinions, but we areNOT entitled to our own facts.

            #59.1 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:51 PM EST

            I don't care who "dreamed" it up, it is still a pile of crap!

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            #59.2 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:57 PM EST

            0bamcare will be ruled unconstitutional by a 5 -4 vote. You guys forget about how the POTUS dissed the SCOTUS in the State of the Union and that there are 4 reliable conservative votes. The additional piece that you forget is that Kennedy has said he will not retire while 0bama is POTUS because he doesn't want him appointing his replacement. Do you think Kennedy is going to find 0bama's signature legislation constitutional??? No way in h3ll. Besides - when the Repubs take the Senate and WH in 2012 - whatever remnants of 0bummercare that are still around will be gone - just like him.

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            #59.3 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:09 PM EST
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            Prez. B.O. could do more for the health of this country just resign from office . Or wait until Jan 20,2013 when the national error ends !!

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            Reply#60 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:49 PM EST

            We already had An End Of An Error....January 20, 2009.

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            #60.1 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:55 PM EST

            The 0bama legacy - first black POTUS, 1 term President, signature legislation ruled unconstitutional or repealed by next Congress. $8 trillion in new debt.

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            #60.2 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:13 PM EST

            Obama will be reelected in 2012...and the Supreme Court is not going to rule the Health Care bill unconsitutional.. Repeal will never happen...Obama is still president and with that comes veto power...nice try, though...E for effort...your brain must hurt now.

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            #60.3 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:31 PM EST

            Hey MIckey, I'm glad you are so confident. It will make it hurt that much more when the SC rules 5-4. The only justices who will rule in favor of ObamaCare will be Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsburg and Kagan. He would have a chance with Kennedy, but he has an ax to grind with Obama after he embarrassed Kennedy at the state of the union regarding campaign finance. Remember it was Kennedy who wrote the majority opinion on the ruling. He hasn't forgotten.

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            #60.4 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:39 PM EST

            Well, he better forget...If Kennedy is doing his job, he won't let a little pissing match interfere with his judgement. Remember, Supreme Court members are supposed to be unbiased, right? It's that whole "blindfolded lady holding the scales of justice" thingie...You should have more faith in our judicial system.

              #60.5 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:45 PM EST

              Kennedy has said he will not retire while 0bama is in office because he doesn't want him to replace him. You really think he is going to be the pivotal vote to uphold 0bamacare when there are 26 states in the FL case plus, OK, MO and VT who have gone it alone and NJ is just waiting for the free ride. That is 30 states that for sure do no want this mess. Mickey - I am willing to make a sizable wager with you on this if you have the balls.

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              #60.6 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:47 PM EST

              Mickey, I don't know what planet you live on, but the SC has been partisan ever since Thurgood Marshall took the blindfolder off. Every major case has gone 5-4 in the last ten years.

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              #60.7 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:51 PM EST

              It makes NO DIFFERENCE what the states say or do...SC has the final ruling. A Supreme Court justice will nolt be swayed by such nonsense.

              It saddens me to think there are so many out there that have no faith in the Unoted States Judicial System.

              ...and I don't "internet bet"..but I will thumb wrestle you...

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              #60.8 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:52 PM EST

              "That is 30 states that for sure do no want this mess."

              You do realize that in a number of states, the Republican AGs filed the lawsuits specifically AGAINST the wishes of their constituents, don't you? Like mine, in VA. He has already had an earful from me and and many others.

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              #60.9 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:15 PM EST

              I am in VA too, and until this issue, I voted Republican. Now, I cannot.

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              #60.10 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 10:24 AM EST
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              Obama aways makes concilatory statements then does nothing. Kind statements with no action mean nothing. He has an agenda and he will do anything it takes including lie or evading to reach his goal. He feels he is smarter than you and I. He says he moves to the middle and does not. I might have disagreed with some of our Presidents but I always felt they had the best interest of the country at heart. His guy I am very unhappy with. With Obama in a boat with me I would be the only one rowing. Ken Krieger Cape Coral, Florida

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              Reply#61 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:55 PM EST

              Romney is old hat. Then again, it only took a really old hat named Ronald Reagan to beat another incompetent president Jimmy Carter, by a margin of 44-6 states.

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              Reply#62 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:58 PM EST

              Republican candidate 37 states. 0bama 13 states + DC.

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              #62.1 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:14 PM EST

              LOL... you better start looking for your new Reagan quick. Who ya gonna pick? Ya gonna pick Palin?

                #62.2 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:39 PM EST
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                If 0bamacare were to actually make it into law I would shut down our 65 person surgi-center and lay off all the Dr's and nurses. I would head off to my ski house and work about 4 days per month for cash and/or barter and enjoy life. Being a Plastic Surgeon you have the benefit that all your patients are paying cash and will continue to do the same thing. I just get rid of the headaches of running the biz I built up with a bunch of other specialties included. My 58 year old cardiologist just told me he is leaving at the end of the year. You people will need to get used to Indian and Chinese speaking Dr's. because a lot of us over 50 will retire. (I am 53) I didn't spend 4 years of college, 4 years of Med school and 7 years of residency to have a community organizer telling me how to run my business. Like I said - I am not alone.

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                Reply#63 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:44 PM EST

                [If 0bamacare were to actually make it into law I would shut down our 65 person surgi-center and lay off all the Dr's and nurses.]

                I call BULL@!$%#...

                And yes...you are ALONE...so very ALONE...

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                #63.1 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:48 PM EST

                Wanna to take a bet on that Mickey - what part of NY do you live in? I can make it there to see how much you call BS when you realize what you are up against.

                You may want to go read some of my previous posts before you take me up on my challenge.

                  #63.2 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:52 PM EST

                  Or you can come on out to beautiful Colorado and see how the other half lives - your choice.

                    #63.3 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:57 PM EST

                    You can check out the surgi-center. Maybe you want to buy it and run it. It is quite nice - modern equipment and room for growth.

                      #63.4 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:02 PM EST

                      Personally, I could care less about your previous posts...makes no difference. And you're going to come all the way out to NY? Again, I call bull@!$%#...and you are it.

                      And I know how the "other half" lives...I spend quite a bit of time in and around Boulder...got a little place near Nederland...and in a couple of years when I retire from my job working for the good old State of New York, I'm out of this @!$%# hole. And after 35 years it will be worth every drop of blood and tear shed.

                        #63.5 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:10 PM EST

                        [You can check out the surgi-center. Maybe you want to buy it and run it. It is quite nice - modern equipment and room for growth.]

                        Sorry, can't make it...I have better things to do with my money...

                          #63.6 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:14 PM EST

                          See ya and take your Ferrari with you.

                            #63.7 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:17 PM EST

                            I have spent a lot of time in Manhattan and I get back there often. It's not bad when you know that you don't live there and are only there for short stays. I stay away from the Republik of Boulder - Greenwood Village is quite aways from there. You will have a nice pension if you have really spent 35 years working for NY. You should be leaving soon. If you move to Nederland we will practically be neighbors - the ski house is in Summit County.

                              #63.8 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:23 PM EST

                              Don't take the bet Mickey. I believe black_belt3 is everything he says he is.

                              I know a couple of plastic surgeons and they are total douche bags who brag about things like their ski houses. I also know more than a few black belts, and the ones who are dick-ish enough to let anyone know they have a black belt are the first ones to threaten to "come over and show" people what they're talking about.

                                #63.9 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:58 PM EST

                                Jay T:

                                [I believe black_belt3 is everything he says he is.]

                                At least one of us does...this is why I called black_belt's post bull@!$%#...

                                  #63.10 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 7:32 AM EST
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                                  So obama wants the states to come up with their own insurance plan that that will not add to the deficiet, if the states want to opt out of obama care, what about obama care, its projected to add 20Billion to the deficiet in 10 years, so how can this bill be cost effective. obama and his croonies are taking the american people for another ride. Not sure what obamas ajenda is, but I'm sure he once again is up to no-good

                                    Reply#64 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:45 PM EST

                                    Mitts TOAST already! The traditional GOP is already in trouble with the teabaggers and now the #1 boy is done. ouch!

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                                    Reply#65 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:15 PM EST

                                    0bama's approval ratings went down 10 points in 1 week to 37% - I wouldn't exactly break out the champaign yet. There are a half dozen Repub challengers who can likely beat 0bama and this time he has to run on his record and the "Hopey - Changey thing won't work again. Neither will the race card - we have elected a black man by 8% points last time so that card won't work again.

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                                    #65.1 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:35 PM EST
                                      #65.2 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:18 PM EST

                                      And the Tea Party Screamers are still holding those of us in the middle in contempt. Republicans need t make a lot of headway before 2012, ar at least keep unemployment above 8%.

                                        #65.3 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 10:26 AM EST
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                                        MSNBC is so confident in their ability to manipulate their followers that they figured a biased headline followed by "zing" would be enough to for most of their readers to ignore the actual quote. Anything to prevent the masses from seeing the "exalted one" admit that his opposition is correct.

                                        "Obama gives props to Romney on health care"

                                        "In a moment that Mitt Romney's future GOP opponents couldn't have scripted better themselves, President Obama Monday issued a full-throated embrace of the former Massachusetts governor's stance on health care."

                                        http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/28/obama-gives-props-to-romney-on-health-care/#more-148397

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                                        Reply#66 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:16 PM EST

                                        It was leaving it to the states that created this mess in the first place.

                                        Can anyone explain to me why I should have to buy my insurance from only a couple of companies operating here in WA when there's a plan in say MA that'll be more suitable for me?

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                                        Reply#67 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:35 PM EST

                                        To Steve-505729

                                        I really don't understand your posting when you blame President Obama with the hike in gasoline/gas prices. Please

                                        elucidate

                                          Reply#68 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:34 PM EST

                                          So let's see.. the GOP is gutting health care and everything that they can find to try to balance a budget that will only be balanced when they revisit tax cuts, SS, Medicare and Medicaid... and meanwhile Obama tries to get better health care for all of us.... It's easy to see who is working for the American Public and who is working for Koch Industries..... the GOP is toast, but the don't realize it as yet....

                                            Reply#69 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:57 PM EST

                                            Yes, obama is working for G.E. and the unions, not the average American taxpayer!!!

                                              #69.1 - Wed Mar 2, 2011 7:57 AM EST
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                                              Not having insurance would just be completely crazy. I am an accountant and in my local area Wise Health Insurance is the best health insurance finder I ever had. Yes my insurance does cover dental and eye insurance which is a big help to my life.

                                                Reply#70 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 1:58 AM EST

                                                Actually ObamaCare is worst then RomneyCare.

                                                RomneyCare doesn’t have a regressive middle class tax hike (the so called “Cadillac tax”) designed to lower the quality and increase the cost of employer provided health insurance.

                                                Currently RomneyCare costs are soaring and MA is trying to return to the failed 1990s capitation and managed care in an attempt to control it. The real problem is the failure of the underlying principle of both RomneyCare and ObamaCare. Trying to provide universal health care through the private insurance market DOES NOT WORK

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                                                Reply#71 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 8:27 AM EST

                                                Healthcare reform here in Mass only worked for those who do not actually pay for it. If you think it will not cost you you are wrong. Same health insurance plan larger deductable and I am now paying 1300+ a month for a married couple. I repeat the only reform was to redistribute my healthcare. Soon I will be paying taxes for having what the annointed one considers a cadillac plan. Because being self employed I will not have the waivers that he gave to the unions and large companies.

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                                                Reply#72 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 8:27 AM EST

                                                DUH, you think insurance companies are efficiciently run organizations?

                                                  Reply#73 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 9:14 AM EST

                                                  According to LT Gov David Dewhurst of Texas, a Tea Party favorite and probable candidate for Kay Bailey Hutchison’s senate seat, per capita health care costs in the US are at least 2 1/2 times more than every other country on the planet.. That is the problem, not Medicaid, Medicare or even Obamacare.

                                                  Per the CIA World Factbook, the US ranks 46th in infant mortality at 6.26 deaths per 1,000 live births…..yet the Republicans claim we have the best health care delivery system in the world.

                                                  But..but...but

                                                  Don’t foreign people come to America all the time to have medical services performed? Absolutely, if they have the money. But these days more Americans travel to foreign countries for medical services at 1/3 the cost than come to America for similar services.

                                                  But all these countries pay more taxes than we do, right? Yep, but their taxes also pay for universal quality health care. Add what we pay in taxes to what we're paying for health care (which is 2 1/2 time more than anyone else) and we're still paying far more for taxes and health care than anyone else does.

                                                  But all these other countries are going broke, right? Well, guess what, America is going broke too.

                                                  All the state, local and national budget problems would vanish in no time if we adopted the health care systems used by most countries in the EU as well as Canada and Australia.

                                                  So why don't we?

                                                  Some think it's because the rich folks don't want to share their doctors .....or have their gall bladders removed in anything less than a 5 star resort hospital.

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                                                  Reply#74 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 1:15 PM EST

                                                  Romney would have a good campaign slogan on the healthcare- "I tried it, it failed-cost the state too much" have to find a better way. I lived in Europe and I seen first hand the socialist healthcare where people waited for MONTHS to see a doctor and some up to a YEAR for an operation and some operations were needed MONTHS before they got them. It WAS a rationed system and has broke the healthcare system over there. Let each person take care of theirselves and if they can't their state should be the one to help them NOT the goverment. The goverment has their nose stuck in to many states business now. We could have health vouchers for the dead beats that don't have insurance. Why don't they have insurance? Because they are here illegally or the NEVER worked a day in their life and mooched off the taxpayers back and now need help. I know some people like that, infact this one family is a TWO generation family that has NOT worked a day in their life-have drawn welfare, food stamps and every kind of program available. I don't know of anyone that has worked and/or paid into medicare and social security all their lives that DOES NOT have health care-except of this one family and I'am sure there are scores like them!!!

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                                                  Reply#75 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 4:03 PM EST

                                                  There are many employers that do not offer insurance. My last job did offer insurance for myself but I would have had to pay $700 a month to add my children. As a single parent I could not have afforded that cost and still paid all of my bills. I think that this should be taken into consideration. Many people who work hard and take care of their families cannot afford to pay for insurance. I still qualify for Medicaid in Alaska but I want to move to Texas and I don't think I will qualify there if I make the same money I do now. I also have pre-diagnosed medical conditions. I hope that they can come up with a plan that will work for everyone and improve access for families. Many people have had to go bankrupt because of medical bills. I would hate for that to be me.

                                                    Reply#77 - Tue Mar 1, 2011 5:49 PM EST

                                                    Here is some
                                                    information with which to warm your hearts:

                                                    YOU ARE NOT GOING TO
                                                    LIKE THIS: ObamaCare Highlighted by Page Number

                                                    THE CARE BILL HB3200

                                                    THIS IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL

                                                    Judge Kithil of Marble Falls , TX - HB3200
                                                    highlighted pages most egregious

                                                    Please read this........ especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

                                                    JUDGE KITHIL
                                                    wrote:

                                                    ** Page
                                                    50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S.
                                                    residents, even if they are here illegally.

                                                    ** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an
                                                    individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic
                                                    fund transfers from those accounts.

                                                    ** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the
                                                    government) for all union members, union retirees and for community
                                                    organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for
                                                    Reform Now - ACORN).

                                                    ** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not
                                                    be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up
                                                    with that?)

                                                    ** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of
                                                    specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.

                                                    ** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to
                                                    the patient's age.

                                                    ** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital
                                                    expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

                                                    ** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning
                                                    consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an
                                                    "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death
                                                    counseling..)

                                                    ** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which
                                                    doctors can write an end-of-life order.

                                                    HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:

                                                    "Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to
                                                    members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the
                                                    Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers
                                                    their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe
                                                    they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for
                                                    their future."

                                                    Honorable David Kithil

                                                    Marble Falls, Texas

                                                    All of the above should give you the point blank ammo you need to
                                                    support your opposition to Obamacare. Please send this information on to
                                                    all of your email contacts.

                                                      Reply#78 - Wed Mar 2, 2011 7:41 AM EST

                                                      Deborah - You have fallen for a viral email hoax. This has been attributed to two different men, one an anesthesiologist from IN, and the other you cite here. Most of the line-by-line critique is inaccurate or misleading, and many parts are not even present in the law. See here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp

                                                      As far as what is on p. 58-59, it's not there in any form. See here: http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/111_hr4872_amndsub.pdf

                                                      Please verify as accurate what you post before you post it as fact.

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                                                      #78.1 - Wed Mar 2, 2011 10:02 AM EST
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                                                      Most Americans are looking for a thoughtful debate to solve what is possibly the most expensive item in the national budget..Healthcare! Here is a simple question for us all:

                                                      When an American without Health Insurance gets sick and visits the ER who picks up the tap?

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                                                      Reply#79 - Wed Mar 2, 2011 11:57 AM EST

                                                      It's the same people who pick up the tab for Illegal Aliens.

                                                        #79.1 - Wed Mar 2, 2011 9:38 PM EST
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                                                        The Difference Between Obamacare and Romneycare

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                                                          Reply#80 - Wed Mar 2, 2011 12:40 PM EST
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