Hi Feisty:

Homeland Security and the FBI are doing their job.

And right below us is Bob who forgot that mass alert warnings were created in the Bush era and discontinued about 2 months ago under President Obama. He likely forgot that Bush raised the warning levels to scare and frighten Americans.

Exactly, Ron and Feisty. Exactly. We didn't need a war in Iraq to catch this guy. Just good basic police work.

As long as we're taking a walk down memory land today - who will ever forget the color coded days of 'be SO scared you'll sh!t yourself'?

LoL Republicans will never let us forget, Feisty. Always carry extra undies.

Who wooda thought BinLaden is still trying to Kill former President Bush? Good that he was caught before some kinda EXPLOSION happened in Texas! Like that never happens!

I'm got enough Dauuuuuum Ducttape & Plastic saved up to build a House!

Thanks once again to law enforcement, the only avenue that has ever actually stopped a terrorist attack.

I wonder how much governor Perry wants to cut the public safety budget now?

"Thanks once again to law enforcement, the only avenue that has ever actually stopped a terrorist attack."

LOL, really Deacon John B? I understand you don't know the current, lets say "Laws" on what can be bought. When a person purchase, ummmmmm let's say a certain item a red flag is raised. It's not typical law enforcement, it's way beyond your logic.

You live in Iowa, go to a store that sells fertilizer and buy a couple hundred pounds and let me know who shows up to your front door wearing masks.

I fail to see how you're saying anything different.

I'm not, it goes beyond law enforcement. If you think that law enforcement is the ONLY avenue of fighting terrorism, you're sadly mistaken and I'll leave it at that.

Reporting large purchases of things that can be made deadly by people without a legitimate purpose is a part of the law enforcement function. Here in Iowa purchases of products containing pseudoephedrine are limited by quantity and reported to a central registry. Sudafed is a great decongestant, but these purchase were important to killing what was once a substantial home-grown meth trade.

Do you need a warning, darling Bob?

Bob-1887910

Attorney General Holder is all over this, no doubt; soon he will issue a mass public alert, warning against:

"Islamophobia"

Actually, Booby trap;

It's being done over at FEAR Network aka FOX NEWS CHANNEL, the Republican/Tea Bagger Campaign Headquarters, inspired by bin Laden's speeches.

http://www.israelunitycoalition.org/video/big_20110201_glenn_beck_muslim_brotherhood_in_america.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/GlennBeckTreeOfRevolution.jpg

The Holder will let him go and Obama will issue an apology.

Steve-2081387

The Holder will let him go and Obama will issue an apology.

You're just spouting more conservative sewage. The WaPo Fact-Checker awarded the "apology tour" lie 4 Pinochios, their highest "honor," equivalent to the "Pants-On-Fire" award that Sarah Palin got from Politifact for her "death panels" lie.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/obamas_apology_tour.html

Bob,

Bush did that many times not Obama. Remember? I'll find you the link and video if you don't have time to look it up yourself.

Just a suggestion. If you want posters on newsvine to take you seriously don't spout Fox News talking points. Takes us a nanosecond to catch them.

No, he wasn't caught because of the diligence of the chemical company. The chemical company shipped the stuff to him!!! The trucking company refused to deliver it and shipped it BACK to the chemical company....then the chemical company called the authorities.

Islamophobia???? Better think about it!!! Not saying live your lives in panic and fear, but just remember folks............these people do NOT and NEVER will like you or accept you. Unless you convert, of course.

I'll be sure to tell my former neighbors, the Orthodox Christians that you're just looking out for them. Being Egyptian they were accosted and harassed repeatedly after 9/11 and for a time were afraid to leave their home.

Look dude. AGENTS are civil and do not change with elections. There is no equating what these career agents did to Bush or Obama. They do a job irregardless of who is POTUS. This is not some kind of raid that has to be ordered by the POTUS.

WTF does FOX has to do with this? You just could not keep that name out of your litttle rant.

I realize that sir, everyone has a job to do, but FOX has no problem blaming the current president for anything that happened before he was president and even things that are beyond his control. If anything FOX would be plastering any alledeged attack toward Bush or Chaney for 18 hours straight

ITM -

Surprise! I'm going to agree with you on this one. The credit should always go to the agents in the field. I seriously doubt that they change their devotion to duty with each change in the White House. And what's really important here is that we stopped this guy. Can't we all just be glad and leave it at that?

Policy changes...

True, Steven.....and depending on the policy, that can either help or hinder the guys on the ground. But either way, I suspect they do their jobs the best they can. And sometimes maybe we just get lucky.

I agree whole-heartedly JoAnne :)

Christians. Wanting to commit "Acts of Terrorism." Timothy McVey, Shelly Shannon, and Scott Roeder, just to name a few.

Go figure. Who would have thought that could happen?

You can usually tell the People that Dont really Care about Muslims Terrorist wanting to Kill people .. Instead of them Condeming these Crazy Muslim Terrorist.

They EXCUSE it by pointing the Finger at Crazy Christians that Commited an act of Terror. As for me Anna I condem them all. . Why did you Take Offence to the Fact i Pointed out it was a MUSLIM.

are you a Muslim and take offence to people attacking yoru religion. As for me. I am neither. a Muslim or a Christian....... However i do beleive in God. I just Think Organized Religon is a Problem.

If it had been a Christian that was Ploting this. I would have Said he was a Christian Terrorist. Would you have then Retorted. with all the names of Muslim Terrorist? Just saying..

Because you insinuated that all Muslims are terrorists. Why not say oh good we caught another PERSON trying to kill people.

Here's something to chew on. They believe they are doing the right thing. The same way, we believe putting someone to death for their crimes is the right thing, or bombing a different country is the right thing.

We are terrorists to them and they are terrorists to us. We just happen to be on THIS side.

Steve-505729

A muslim . Wanting to commit Acts of Terrorism. Go Figure. Who would have thought that could happen..

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qnkkIdVB4mw/TU1f9g5trfI/AAAAAAAAe4M/HSd-vkMji8U/s400/SNAG_Program-0260.jpg

Steven.

Please show me in my Post where i said ALL muslims were Terrorist. the Fact is the Guy is a MUSLIM. and wanted to Commit an Act of Terror. And Steven. Because he is a Muslim.

You know Anna Molly... if you are so fond of those Muslims perhaps you should go live with them for awhile. I would LOVE to hear how they treat you... I mean women are put on a pedestal with those guys .... RIGHT?

Have you guys Ever Noticed that they NEVER EVER EVER comdem Muslim Terrorist. Anyone else find that Weird.

I said insinuated, I didn't say you said it.

True Steve-505729... but they make up for it in how they treat republicans!

I didnt even insinuate it. but i understand your need to Claim i did. and i still havent heard you Condem this Muslim Terrorist for the Acts he wanted to commit. Why is it you Defend his actions by Accusing me of Claiming all Muslims are Terrorist?

Bev.. Anna..

Do you comden this Muslim for wanting to Commit Terrorist Acts?

I codemn the person not his religion. It's not my place to do so.

Steve-505729... notice the silence...

Queue the crickets!

(as for Steven... I would have expected no less. It is SOOOOOOO difficult to admit that 99% of the 'people' out there committing acts of terrorism are... dare I say.... muslim shhhhh......)

Steven.

The FBI arrested 20-year-old Khalid Al-M Aldawsari, a Saudi Arabian college student in Lubbock, late yesterday. Agents say he was in the process of buying chemicals that could be used to make a powerful bomb. They say a search of his home found documents indicating that he has been planning a terror attack in the U.S. "for years" and was inspired by bin Laden's speeches.

so one MUSLIM inspried by another MUSLIM that wants Jihad Against America doesn't concern you. do you think his religion had anything to do with why he wanted to do this?

SickOfTheBickering...

That might be the most ignorant post I have ever seen on these boards. Congratulations!

You can say the same about all religions Steve. Get rid of religions and you'll get rid of this type of 'holy' terrorism.

Steven, Highlands Ranch, CO

SickOfTheBickering...

That might be the most ignorant post I have ever seen on these boards. Congratulations!

Gee thanks Steven!

Coming from someone who obviously know about ignorance I will take that as a compliment!

Steven, Highlands Ranch, CO

You can say the same about all religions Steve. Get rid of religions and you'll get rid of this type of 'holy' terrorism.

Yeah... then it will just be straight-up terrorism which we can all agree is just terrible. (talk about ignorant statemets!)

Hey Steven.

I condem all Religions that want this type of Actions (terrorism) . but to me Around the World it seems to be the Muslim Religion by 100,000s to 1 Agaisnt any other Religion. Wouldn't you agree?

Wait a minute Steve... You better be careful...Steven says that kind of statement is 'IGNORANT'.

You dont want to be considered IGNORANT do you?

Here's a scenario for you... A Muslim country thinks we as a Christian nation are going to imminently attack them, even though there is no proof of it, so they bomb the crap out of us murder our men, women and children, throw our country into complete chaos for years to come, that's terrorism, right?

NO. That's the reality of the world we live in today. And based upon the comments you have been posting here is sounds like you think we should just take it.

(and by the way... they're not even worried that we are going to attack them... fact of the matter is that they just don't like us.)

No.

We had Every Right to go to Iraq. they were in violation of 28 of 33 UN Sanctions. They had Shot at our Planes in Violation of their Surrender to us. They were Thumbing their Nose at us. So we had every Right to Remove a Dictator that was Agreeing to his end of the Agreement.

Our Congress gave the President of the United States at the Time to USE Force agaisnt iraq. so you can try and spin it there Steven. but your little act wont fool most of us.

Steven Are you a Muslim? Do you take offence to it when people Call out someone that is A Muslim that wants to Commit an Act of Terror?..

I am not any religion. I actually take personal responsibility for my own life and actions not justify them by a fictitious entity.

I don't care who gave anyone permission to do anythng. We as represented by our government, created an act of terrorism against Iraq, plain and simple. If they had done the same to us it wouldn't be any different. It would be an act of terrorism. So when you say 99% of the terrorists in the world are muslim, I called that an ignorant statement (not you as a person btw). Because we are nation of terrorists, right from our not so humble beginnings.

And... we're not muslim. :)

So What about Muslims that use their Religion to commit Acts of Terror. do you condem that part of the Muslim Religion . Because let me tell you If i saw Christins using their Religion to use acts of Terror i would condem whatever Sect of Christianity they used to justify those Attacks? Just like i condem every Sect of the Islamic/muslim Faith that uses Terror to justify there Attacks..

I actually agree with your last post Steve. I do condemn anyone that uses some false or ridiculous concept to hurt other people because of it, be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Satanism, Facism, Capitalism, Communism, etc. They are all just beliefs and they should be believed in by the individual not used a means to commit hurt or codemn other people just because they don't believe in them.

One reason that many of the Islamic extremists have been caught before they could carry out their attacks was that other Muslims in this country turned them in. If hate mongers like Steve-505729 succeed in alienating the entire American Muslim community from the rest of the country, that crucial source of anti-terrorist information could dry up.

poor Houston.

Man i guess because i called a Muslim man that wanted to commit acts of Terror that makes me a Hate Monger. Are you a Muslim that takes offence to a Muslim being called out on this.

I guess since Anna Molly called christians Terrorist. She must be a Hate Monger too.

I remember when George W. Bush was asked if he consulted his father prior to the war in Iraq. His response was that he consulted a higher father.

So in essence... he used his faith to justify the Iraq war.

Man i guess because i called a Muslim man that wanted to commit acts of Terror that makes me a Hate Monger. Are you a Muslim that takes offence to a Muslim being called out on this.

No, I just take offense at jerks trying to stir up hate. The man is a Saudi Arabian, so obviously he is a Muslim. The only reason you bothered to waste electrons posting your crap was to smear Muslims in general with the terrorist stereotype. G.W. Bush strolled around his ranch holding hands with the KING of Saudi Arabia, who is also a Muslim. Does that mean that Bush was palling around with terrorists?

Steve:

Why did you Take Offence to the Fact i Pointed out it was a MUSLIM.

Why did you point out he was a Muslim in the first place?

If I misinterpreted what you said, then I apologize.

By the way, I also think organized religion is the problem. Nowadays, they're often breeding grounds for ignorance, bigotry, and hatred. Most wars are fought over religion in one way or another.

Killing in the name of God. Must be that "jealous" God I've heard so much about.

If He's God, I wonder what He's jealous of.

Sickofthebickering ~

You know Anna Molly... if you are so fond of those Muslims perhaps you should go live with them for awhile. I would LOVE to hear how they treat you... I mean women are put on a pedestal with those guys .... RIGHT?

Oh, and no so-called Christian man ever mistreated a woman? OMG you ARE ignorant, aren't you?

I can't remember which of your fellow ignoramuses it was who said yesterday that he would much rather sit next to a Christian wife-beater or child molester than a gay man offering love. Revealing, I thought.

But hmmm ... now that I think about it, we never did get around to what he would do if the gay man offering love was a Christian.

Well, anyway. I never said I was fond -- or not fond -- of muslims, so you are blatantly mischaracterizing me. Deliberately, too, I should think, from the way you've made a leap from where we started to the treatment of women, which was, as I recall one of George W. Bush's alternative justifications for going into Iraq.

Reminds me of someone, but I just can't put my finger on it right now.

Anyway, I was merely pointing out to Steve that it's not just Muslims who commit terrorist acts. Christians do it, too, in the name of THEIR God. Ever hear of the Crusades?

And Christians also abuse women. Regularly. In fact, conservative Christian doctrine is partly built around the subordination and subjugation of women, because God said so.

What do YOU say about that?

Because he is a MUSLIM i guess pointing otu someone is a MUSLIM is just as bad as Pointing out that Obama is a Half White man. Correct

the Only hate is from Crazy leftwing People The guy is a MUSLIM that wants to create TERROR what part of the statement isnt true. You guys are Pathetic.............. Even TRUE statements are concidered Hate. Incredible.

Being a Muslim is a choice. It is also matter of faith that you believe that anyone has chosen the "faith" which they publicly claim to abide. Your race is chosen for you.

Houston,

Show me where i ever said all Muslims were Terrorist? Pathetic................

Steve

Show me where i ever said all Muslims were Terrorist? Pathetic

You sure are pathetic, as was your post. If you didn't intend to smear Muslims as likely terrorists, then what was the point of stating the obvious fact that this guy was a Muslim? Answer that. I'll interpret your silence as an admission that you were just doing a little casual hate mongering.

Houston,

The SCUM BAG IS A MUSLIM. you are the only one hate Mongering here. Because you can't handle the Fact the guy was a MUSLIM and was ARRESTED FOR TERRORISM offends you I am sorry you are not Secure enough in yoru own Religion to call this PUKE MUSLIM OUT

"Secure enough?" I'd say you have it backward. My home area has an interfaith group that meets regularly to promote food banks, clothing banks, homeless shelters, and a host of other help to the needy. The "Scum bag Muslims" are welcome and regular participants. Even when the meetings are hosted at one of the local Synagogues.

I could care less that this guy is a Muslim. I care a lot that he intended to inflict harm on others. Beyond that nothing else matters.

Hmmmmm.............I see you never set foot in SW Asia. See, you can't say Muslim Terrorist because Obama can't say it. Pitty, really it is. You, just like Obama wants to give terrorist a hug, thinking that, "hey, if I'm nice to you, you're be nice to me". Sorry, that logic doesn't work.

Putting words into my mouth isn't going to work. The full force of the law should come down on this guy--because he intended to blow people up, not because he's Muslim.

Even Michael Chertoff has said it...focusing too much on the people we stereotype as criminals can actually get in the way of stopping crime.

I know that gets in the way of the Conservative narrative whipping up fear of scary brown people, but that's reality.

What this really comes down to is how law enforcment officials catch these terrorists BEFORE they strike. In short (whether or not you like it) they profile and I am ok with it.

Profiling is a technique that is used becasue it works and right now the profile for terrorists is heavily weighted toward MUSLIMS. Sorry, but the profile is what it is becasue of the current trends in terrorism. If you were in Ireland in the 70's you would have been looking at a different group in the profile of a terrorist... remember the IRA?

Heaven forbid that we should be considering if a person is muslim when attempting to identify potential terrorists against the U.S. Unfortunately the terrorists themselves (typically Muslim Jihadists) are the one's that placed this at the doorstep of all Muslim people. If you are unable to face that simple fact then you need to grow up.

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BTW Anna Molly...

My comment about your fondness for muslims and how you should go live with them was to remind you of the way that may Muslim-based societies operate and how, in may of them you would not have been allowed to attend school or even learn to read.

Maybe you should think of that the next time you are compelled to enlighten us all on how they are just regular people.

A reasonable-sounding argument that's wrong. Profiling just doesn't work.

Little attention has been paid to the fact that racial profiling just doesn't work, say David Cole and John Lamberth. Cole is author of "No Equal Justice: Race and Class in the American Criminal Justice System." Racial profiling studies uniformly show that police stops yield no significant difference in so-called hit rates -- percentages of searches that find evidence of lawbreaking -- for minorities and whites. If blacks are carrying drugs more often than whites, police should find drugs on the blacks they stop more often than on the whites they stop. But they don't.

• In Maryland, for example, 73 percent of those stopped and searched on a section of Interstate 95 were black, yet state police reported that equal percentages of whites and blacks who were searched, statewide, had drugs or other contraband.
• In New Jersey, searches in 2000 conducted with the subjects' consent yielded contraband, mostly drugs, on 25 percent of whites, 13 percent of blacks and only 5 percent of Latinos.
• A study of stop-and-frisk practices in New York City in 1998 and 1999 found that while police disproportionately stopped young black men, the hit rates were actually marginally higher for whites than for blacks or Latinos.
• And while 43 percent of those searched at airports by the Customs Service in 1998 were black or Latino, illegal materials were found on 6.7 percent of whites, 6.3 percent of blacks and 2.8 percent of Latinos.

Race and ethnicity are simply not useful criteria for suspicion. A generalization linking race or ethnicity to crime will therefore inevitably sweep in many innocent people. And police will miss guilty people who don't fit their stereotypes.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=8312

As pointed out above, even former Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff is against it. Resources are already limited and terrorist groups are shape shifters, always looking for ways to avoid detection. Your targets are arab-looking men? Recruit women. Or Muslims who don't look like arabs. Or find some way to get a bomb carried without the "mule" realizing it. Or just switch to a different tactic.

The only thing it does is to feed Conservative's desire to scare us with the "other."

John.... old buddy...

You can quote all the nay-sayers you want... but the fact of the matter is that profiling DOES work or the people using it would not waste their time developing these profiles.

I seriously doubt that our law enforement officials are developing profiles (racial or not) because they simply want to 'pick on' someone. NO... they are facing very difficult battles where the bad guys typically have more resources at their disposal than the cops do. The cops don't have the time or money to waste resources on efforts that don't yield results.

What those who oppose profiling can't seem to deal with is that sometimes people of a 'like kind'... be it a racial group, religious group, etc... do similar things becasue of similar beliefs or circumstances.

For example... people in a lesser economic classification may lets say, deal drugs becasue they have no other means to earn a living. Should we ignore that fact when looking for drug dealers?

Another consideration is that profiles are not based upon a single trait. Rather they are a composition of traits that, when found together tend to indicate that an individual may fit what the profile is attempting to identify.

That drug dealer was not pulled over becasue he was... lets say hispanic... he was pulled over becasue he was hispanic, 25 years old, driving through a known drug corridor at a certain time and at a certain speed in a certain type of car. Any one of these traits may not be a reason to look at him... but together they are a strong indicator. (again this is only an example).

Finally, profiles do change as trends change. Yes your point that the bad guys change their tactics form time to time is true.... but they do that because profiling has worked in identifying them and they now need to not fit the profile.

No. I think there is a reason profiling is used and that reason is it gets results.

Former US AG Gonzo is an instructor at Texas Tech, up in Lubbock...could it be something he said that propelled this madman?

I called and asked him. He forgot what he said.

That's a good one Anna Molly!

Anna Molly

Former US AG Gonzo is an instructor at Texas Tech, up in Lubbock...could it be something he said that propelled this madman?

I called and asked him. He forgot what he said.

You've cracking me up all morning.

I saw that headline and thought they finally arrested GWB!!!

*spits out Diet Coke all over computer screen* LMAO! Thanks!

How would shooting down an airliner in the Atlantic cover-up a real estate scam in Arkansas?

Never forget 9/11 was an inside job, brought to you by PNAC and Dick Cheney and Al C.I.A.da.

hehehehehehe Paul, send me your sipr, I would love to talk to you................

Hey Salt Grass, if this guy was a white guy from NC, you think things would be different?

Not in my opinion. But you know opinions are like A Hole., everybodys got one.

LOL, alrighie then..........

If you understand the definition of the English word PROOF, you have to acknowledge that I am correct.

We don't need to debate, not that you actually could. But you do have to acknowledge the fact that a subpoena empowered security clearanced investigation into the claims of 9/11 has yet to be allowed. The 9/11 Mass murder of American citizens on American soil has yet to be granted the courtesy of so little as a grand jury investigation. Why would that be?

Sorry Paul, not jumping on the crazy train with you on this one.................

Nothing crazy about facts. 9/11, the mass murder of Americans, has yet to be investigated by anyone with subpoena power. That is a fact, and the sad truth.

So you are not disputing that the mass murder of your fellow citizens on 9/11 has yet to be legitimately investigated, and that fact doesn't bother you. Odd, that any American would feel that way about dereliction of duty by people who are obligated to provide the public with hearings and sufficiently empowered investigative panels.

Not every foreign student who is Muslim is a terrorist. That's the same as saying all Muslims are terrorists or all pro-lifers are Scott Roeders.

You know what's odd with this whole tread?? You liberials have more respect for terrorist than the GOP. What does that make you people? Hey, don't like their policies, but they're Americans, but you find ways to defend these terrorist has it's our fault. truly amazing on how and were your head is at.

Terrorists are our enemies, the "blowback" upon our nation and our allies for our collective policies globally. They are willing to die for their cause, misguided or not.

Conservatives are traitors to the American progressive cause against monarchy, Plutocracy, and Fascism.

Really Paul???? I'm a Conservative, that make me a terrorist? Or are you saying you believe in that the progressive cause should be a monarchry? If that's the case why don't you just say you're a Socialist? It's the same thing right?

Terrorist, no. Traitor to American progressive values, yes.

I said there has been no PROOF provided. Allegations have been made, uncross-examined circumstantial evidence has been disseminated into the public domain, but the unwillingness to allow these claims to be challenged while under oath gives intelligent people pause to question what is really going on in this "war on terror".

keep dreaming and please don't wake up