House GOP floats two-week stopgap bill with $4 billion in cuts

From NBC's Luke Russert
A GOP aide tells NBC News that the House GOP Leadership along with the House Appropriations Committee is working on a temporary funding measure for the nation's budget that would cut current spending levels and still have a real chance of passing the U.S. Senate.

The compromise would call for $4 billion in spending cuts from current fiscal year 2011 spending levels over two weeks from March 4th through March 18th.

Right now, the current continuing resolution (the funding of the U.S. government) expires on March 4th at 11:59pm.

Republicans contend the cuts would come from non-controversial areas of government and also touch on things that President Obama has said could be cut in the past.

"Senator Reid and Senator Schumer's position that they will force a government shutdown rather than cut any spending is indefensible," a GOP aide said. "It'll be very hard for them to oppose a reasonable short-term funding measure that will cut spending over a two-week period."

The aide also tells NBC News that the GOP leadership doesn't expect their 87-member activist freshman class to derail the two-week budget proposal. The timeline as to when it would be voted on in the House would be in the middle of next week.

Late last week the House passed at budget for the rest of fiscal year 2011 that included $61 billion dollars in cuts through September. That budget will likely not go anywhere in the Democratic-controlled Senate.

Speaker John Boehner has rejected any compromise from Reid that would keep current spending levels frozen temporarily until a longer budget bill could be worked out between the House and the Senate.

The bill being crafted by the GOP leadership is aimed at attracting support from moderate Democrats in the Senate. A GOP aide speculated that the compromise bill might appeal to Sens. McCaskill, Tester, Manchin, and Warner.

The hope of the GOP leadership is that the two-week compromise would prevent a government shutdown and give the House and Senate some time to agree on a budget that cuts spending for fiscal year 2011.

*** UPDATE *** NBC's Ken Strickland notes that the $4-billion two-week short term fix is equal to a pro-rated amount of the $61-billion worth of spending cuts in the long-term Continuing Resolution the House passed last week.

In other words, if you divided $61-billion into the remaining weeks of the fiscal year, it would be about $2 billion per week. For two weeks--the likely length of the short term stopgap bill -- that would be $4 billion.

That does not sit well with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who said in a statement:

"The Republicans' so-called compromise is nothing more than the same extreme package the House already handed the Senate, just with a different bow. This isn't a compromise, it's a hardening of their original position. This bill would simply be a two-week version of the reckless measure the House passed last weekend. It would impose the same spending levels in the short term as their initial proposal does in the long term, and it isn't going to fool anyone. Both proposals are non-starters in the Senate.

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All bluster - all the time with the Teapublicans!

The little charade is quickly crumbling right before their very eyes!

The American people VOTED for J O B S in November, not the BS games that are being played by the right!

BTW: Why did MSNBC cut off Governor Walkers 'press conference'? Did anyone BOTHER to ask him about the now infamous phone call?

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#1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:02 PM EST

Guess they figured out that this is an enormous loser for the GOPTP. $100 billion, $4 billion...it's all relatve anyway.

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#1.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:03 PM EST

In this very public game of chicken, it looks like the GOP/Tea Party is blinking...

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#1.2 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:10 PM EST

Ever think if Pelosi had the balls to a pass a budget last year when see was supposed to instead of running away from her responsibilities like the coward the Dem's have proved themselves to be, that the House could be focusing on jobs right now instead of the budget?

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#1.3 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:15 PM EST

Nasty Redhead..

Keep telling yourself whatever it is that makes you feel Better. I and most other Republicans and many Democrats and independents Voted on the Promise from REpublicans they would Repeal the HCR and get the Debt under control. We voted to get the Govt off the Backs of Business so Business can Create Jobs. We know that Govt doesnt Create Jobs. Govt only Created DEBT and Deficts.. What we are Seeing is the Liberals /progressives see it all Failing everything they are hoping for the American people are waking up to and REJECTING. Unions failing. Obama Failing. Liberal Democrats Failing. I can't wait til 2012 so we can REJECT you even more.

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#1.4 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:24 PM EST

Why is Rocco talking about Democratic Leader Pelosi when it is the Speaker and the House GOP/TP that is 'floating' this 'proposal'?

Why don't they just shut the government down like they said they would?

Could it be that the GOP/TP House members are... scared?

Finally, the House is SUPPOSED to be focused on the budget. That is their JOB!!

Gee, Rocco, can your post be any more uninformed than it already is?

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#1.5 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:24 PM EST

Keep telling yourself whatever it is that makes you feel Better. I and most other Republicans and many Democrats and independents Voted on the Promise from REpublicans they would Repeal the HCR and get the Debt under control. We voted to get the Govt off the Backs of Business so Business can Create Jobs. We know that Govt doesnt Create Jobs. Govt only Created DEBT and Deficts.. What we are Seeing is the Liberals /progressives see it all Failing everything they are hoping for the American people are waking up to and REJECTING. Unions failing. Obama Failing. Liberal Democrats Failing. I can't wait til 2012 so we can REJECT you even more.

Gee, Steve, you do not have the power to 'reject' anyone. At last look, the Dems have the White House and the Senate. You voted for a LIE, plain and simple.

I have no problem with spirited debate and no problem with those who have won implementing the things that they said they would. We have YET to see ANYTHING produced from the HOUSE other than symbolic passages that will NEVER be signed into law.

You are basing your whole existence - and ideaology on Promises from the Republicans/Tea Party that couldn't lead a brass band in a parade on a straight course. And you don't even care if the GOP/TP comes through or not.

Typical.

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#1.6 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:31 PM EST

Pietro, Very simple. If Pelosi passed the budget last year, as she was supposed to, there would be no discussion of a continuing resolution right now. Hello!! Continuing resolutions are needed because a budget wasn't passed in the house by Pelosi in the first place. Fisrt time that that has happened since 1974. talk about uninformed!!

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#1.7 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:32 PM EST
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Pietro,

They are doing what they Said they would. Thats all i can Ask. Because the Democrats wont vote on the Bill and or the Failed half White man in the White house wont Sign it is not the Point. They are doing exactly What they Told me that would do. and thats all i ask...... Come 2012 When we Take back the Senate and the White House. They will get done what they have Tried to do. The american People are TRIED of the GAMES the democrats are Playing. Keep believing whatever it is you want. Thats yoru choice.......... but in the end. its your side that is gonna LOSE

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#1.8 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:39 PM EST

Rocco, what does Nancy Pelosi have to do with a budget NOW when we have a GOP/TP Speaker of the House??

I thought that 'elections have consequences'. We hear that all the time on this blog!!

So what's the holdup? Why DON'T we have a GOP/TP budget?

I get it - you like blaming EVERYTHING on Nancy Pelosi.

Typical.

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#1.9 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:40 PM EST

They are doing what they Said they would. Thats all i can Ask. Because the Democrats wont vote on the Bill and or the Failed half White man in the White house wont Sign it is not the Point. They are doing exactly What they Told me that would do. and thats all i ask...... Come 2012 When we Take back the Senate and the White House. They will get done what they have Tried to do. The american People are TRIED of the GAMES the democrats are Playing. Keep believing whatever it is you want. Thats yoru choice.......... but in the end. its your side that is gonna LOSE

Gee, Steve, I am glad you mentioned the 'failed half-white man' in the White House.

That tells me all I need to know.

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#1.10 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:42 PM EST

Rocco, what does Nancy Pelosi have to do with a budget NOW??

Not much, and that's kind of why she's not Speaker anymore.

So what's the holdup? Why DON'T we have a GOP/TP budget?

I believe the House 2012 budget is scheduled to be ready in April, which I think is typical. Well, last year was an exception, Pelosi was too busy to bothered by such trivial things. It takes a little time, what with all the committee and sub-committee work and such. Just can't slap together a budget with a $1.65 trillion dollar shortfall like Obama and his team did in a couple of days.

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#1.11 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:46 PM EST

Pietro Pelosi has nothing to do with the upcoming budget. She had everything to do with failure to pass last years budget which takes us into this year. First time since 1974 that that has happened. The point you are missing is that if Pelosi did her job last year, there would be no discussion of a CR or a shutdown now. Get it? I am surprised by your misunderstanding of this. Past posts indicate you were more knowledgeable about the budget process.

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#1.12 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:55 PM EST

Pietro,

What. Isn't he a half White man. Isn't his mother White? i mean whats wrong with saying the Truth?

or are you just Offended by the Truth? My guess is thats the Deal...

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#1.13 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:56 PM EST

Rocco ~ Talk about disingenuous. If Nancy Pelosi had shepherded a budget through Congress in what was clearly going to be and eventually was a lame duck session, you would be here today complaining about that.

How dare she do that and undercut the republicans' chances of making fools of themselves?

Or wait. Maybe the lady had a strategy, after all. It seems to be working.

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#1.14 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:00 PM EST

Harry Reid, in an attempt to rush through yet another nearly 2000 page bill in a matter of days, tried to ram through a omnibus spending bill during the lame duck session. It had massive increases in spending that would have put the country future in debt. The bill was quickly disposed of by the few remaining sane people in Congress, and the current CR was put in place. And, in a quirk, the Republican Senators didn't just pick up and leave the Senate to hideout in another country, but instead remained in Congress to serve their constituents and to vote.

Source: http://www.cnsnews.com/node/79034#

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#1.15 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:06 PM EST

JS1

The article is from last Dec – it is the one that didn’t pass and how we got another CR

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#1.16 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:14 PM EST

Exactly Dennis. And now Speaker Boehner, realizing the Senate just can't get their act together quick enough to consider the House bill with the $63 billion in cuts, is cutting Reid and the Democrats two weeks worth of slack by passing the two week extension of the CR (with an appropriate amount of cuts of course) to see if Reid and his gang can manage to pull themselves together. Quite a magnanimous gesture by the Speaker.

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#1.17 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:21 PM EST

Boehner, magnanimous? Really? <chortle, guffaw> In all seriousness though, I actually gotta agree with Rocco. Pelosi and the dems shoulda got this done before the repubs got in.

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#1.18 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:27 PM EST

JS1

Boehner knew that both chambers had this week off – so actually he only gave the Senate 1 week to consider the bill and he knew full well the Senate would make changes allowing no time for the House to reconsider.

Extremely poor planning – Boehner is an epic fail.

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#1.19 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:29 PM EST

dennis - only one week, doesn't the senate keep track of what is happening in the house and vice versa? Would seem that talk of a shutdown would make everyones ears perk up looking for more details.

Is it only students that have homework?

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#1.20 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:47 PM EST

Pietro and Anna M are all over it. Pelosi failed to pass a budget. The result is the current need to a CR. So Pietro and Anna M, would there be any issue or need for a CR if there was a budget?

And Anna, we all know it was Nancy's job to pass a budget. She chose not too, leaving Obama at the mercy of the House in a way he would not have been had she done her job.

Ironic, no?

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#1.21 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:55 PM EST

american,

The house passed the bill at 5:00 am Saturday, after the Senate had recessed for the week.

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#1.22 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:01 PM EST

The Real Question then Dennis..

Is Why would the Democrat Controlled Senate Going on Vaction when there is work to be done. Oh yes. They left Town . Just like the Democrats in Wisconsin and Indiana. Guess if you dont want to get the Peoples work done. Thats the Democrats Solution....

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#1.23 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:06 PM EST

Steve,

Since you are so smart that you can answer your own question why did you even ask?

But then you did get the answer wrong.

But if you do as No Jo told everyone and use “critical thinking” you will figure it out all by your little self.

Have a great evening – Bye

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#1.24 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:18 PM EST

Steve-505729

The Real Question then Dennis..

Is Why would the Democrat Controlled Senate Going on Vaction when there is work to be done. Oh yes. They left Town . Just like the Democrats in Wisconsin and Indiana. Guess if you dont want to get the Peoples work done. Thats the Democrats Solution....

Just like the Repub controlled House...you know work one week off two weeks. Think I'm kidding look at their schedule for the year it's posted. They are off more than the Dem controlled house but why bother with the real details as longs as you think you are always right...typical Repub...go back to yawning

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#1.25 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:20 PM EST

Really rc, you find that to be equivilent? The House takes a lot of VACATION.

The Wisconsin sentae is currently in session, but you know that, right?

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#1.26 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:24 PM EST

its a fact the republicans did everything they could to keep the house and senate from passing a budget last year ..... now they complain that there budget is nessary because the dems didnt pass a budget

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#1.27 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:26 PM EST

But to the Repubs it doesn't count it's all about the lazy loafing Dems it is do as I say not as I do for these guys but they have awakened the sleeping giant and are in for another beat down in 2012

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#1.28 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:33 PM EST

And yes Spanky I know that. The conversation was about the US Senate and I interjected about the US House...keep up

    #1.29 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:43 PM EST

    I think I'm caught up rc and it sure looked like you conflate vacations with running away.

    So to be clear the Wisconsin democrats ran away, when the senate was in session, and the US House members are gone due to scheduled vacation.

    Am I up to date?

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    #1.30 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:47 PM EST

    Nutsy Pelosi may be liberal nutsy and detached from reality, but even she was aware that there was no way they could present a budget with that kind of spending before the election. After that the elections ..... it what it is.

    "Little charade", Feisty?

    What - like bringing puppets to the Capital steps?

    Nope, sounds reasonable, which explains why you guys have to play your games?

    Biggest deficit of all time and you on the left won't even let go of puppet pork.

    Don't get me wrong, although I don't watch puppets, I do like a lot of the stuff.

    Julia and Jacques get to show us how to do it - two ways! Julia likes her breasts washed and legs tied, Jacques likes to boot'er'fly zee chi'kin un'door da bro'lore. Sum'time de skin frum de neck ez too much (Please don't pan to Julia) ......... anyway

    And really, what were there, 4 channels when PBS came on the air? How many are there now? You guys are always talking about suffering - I'll do my part and give up Julia and Jacques. Give up Bert and Ernie - they are puppets.

    The left isn't going to budge anyway, two weeks will seem reasonable to the voters and after that the left will only look worse.

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    #1.31 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:54 PM EST

    Poor Studley Dudley - All I can say is you've repeatedly proven yourself to be a sloppy drunk and quite frankly, I'm more than a little embarrassed for ya!

    You might want to look into some professional help but in the meantime... I do believe the one trick pony is looking for a hard 'ride'!

    Bottom's up there little guy!

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    #1.32 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:10 PM EST

    JoAnna ~

    Harry Reid, in an attempt to rush through yet another nearly 2000 page bill in a matter of days, tried to ram through a omnibus spending bill during the lame duck session. It had massive increases in spending that would have put the country future in debt. The bill was quickly disposed of by the few remaining sane people in Congress, and the current CR was put in place. And, in a quirk, the Republican Senators didn't just pick up and leave the Senate to hideout in another country, but instead remained in Congress to serve their constituents and to vote.

    Spankster, you really need to read this comment by your friend JoAnna, which actually makes my point for me. Darned if you do, and darned if you don't.

    Now, as for republicans staying here to serve and to vote, I seem to recall that they didn't have the votes to do anything else, unlike the Wisconsin democrats. If they thought it would have done any good, I think we can bet they would have done it. From what I can see of public opinion right now, JoAnna, the Illinois branch of the Wisconsin legislature seems to be taking the more popular position. Heck, in Indiana, they've already conceded that ground and Governor Daniels has said he won't send the state patrol after the democrats. How about that? And in Florida, apparently the fiscal crisis isn't bad enough that abrogating the collective bargaining rights of public employees is really necessary. How about that?

    Now, if Walker hadn't been such a bully in the first place, the whole thing wouldn't have been necessary. However, after his extremely impolitic remarks during that faux telephone conversation with "David Koch," democrats have absolutely no reason to trust him ever again. On anything. He isn't even enough of a gentleman to keep a promise that had no possibility of hurting him. Instead, he had every intention of tricking legislators back into the state with a LIE, and then casually doublecrossing them. These are his OWN WORDS, JoAnna. Not mine. A real man of honor you're supporting there, JoAnna. You must be so proud.

    AND, while we're at it, did you hear Walker say he actually considered bringing out thugs to cause trouble during the protests but couldn't figure out a way to spin it? Huh! So that's why there wasn't any "riot," as falsely reported by FAUX News and Rush Limbaugh. Sort of blows all your little machinating theories to bits, doesn't it, oh wise one?

    And how about that trip to California that he actually accepted over the phone. All those worries about democratic legislators possibly taking lunches from union members just dashed to pieces in the face of that direct evidence that your revered Governor Walker actually accepts bribes and favors from the Koch brothers. NOW who should be investigated, JoAnna? Projection much?

    Way to make friends and influence people, Governor Walker. You too, JoAnna. Nighty night.

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    #1.33 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:34 PM EST

    Dennis - you evaded the question...

    doesn't the senate keep track of what is happening in the house and vice versa? Would seem that talk of a shutdown would make everyones ears perk up looking for more details.

    Is it only students that have homework?

    You make it seem that congressional thinking is only based on a nine to five, monday to friday agenda. I for one hope that our elected officials can multitask.

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    #1.34 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:30 AM EST

    american,

    When it came time to call the recess in the Senate the House was nowhere close having a spending bill passed. In fact they didn’t pass it for another 12 hours and by that time the Senators were already home.

    You or anyone can produce many reasons that something should have done but for me I have to wonder why the House didn’t start on the bill sooner or produce another CR in parallel knowing that even 3 weeks in the Senate would be enough time to allow amendments and debate. You have been around long enough to know how slowly the Senate works.

    • 1 vote
    #1.35 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:07 AM EST

    Great way to start the morning feisty....with all the same venom and vitriol as usual.........where is Wade from yesterday?................I would love to see him defend that first post of the morning.

    However, I will just state for the record here at MSNBC (The Progressive Network).......

    THERE ARE WAY MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF YOUR KIND......DON'T FORGET IT!!!

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    #1.36 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:35 AM EST
    Reply

    Obama is not Clinton.

    This is not 1995.

    Democrats are on the losing end of this one.

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    Reply#2 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:03 PM EST

    Democrats are on the losing end of this one.

    Odd...

    Then how come it's the Teapublicans who are doing the blinking?

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    #2.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:07 PM EST

    Sorry but there has been so much talk about Newt the Republican mistake in 95 everyone will point at the Teapublicans if it happens again this year with Boehner in charge.

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    #2.2 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:14 PM EST

    They are not Blinking. thats just the Narrative of the MSNBC article...

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    #2.3 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:25 PM EST

    Johnny, Johnny, Johnny. It may not be 1995, but if the gov't gets shut down, the repubs will get big shot of deja vu.

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    #2.4 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:33 PM EST

    FR: The compromise would call for $4 billion in spending cuts from current fiscal year 2011 spending levels over two weeks from March 4th through March 18th

    Well lets see, $4 billion in cuts for two weeks prorates out to $8 billion a month, actually a little more than the GOP wanted in the first place.

    Great job Mr. Speaker! That's called working together, something the Democrats aren't used to.

    Watch the Democrats in the Senate panic and run out of town and hide, just like their friends in Indiana and Wisconsin. Seems to be a growing trend with them.

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    #2.5 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:37 PM EST

    Well it worked in Indiana as they have backed down on busting the union there

    The Indianapolis Star reports that the state House and Senate GOP leaders have worked out with Gov. Mitch Daniels to kill the so-called "right to work" bill. Now, a legislative committee will study the issue.

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    #2.6 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:20 PM EST

    That'd be one out of how many other states currently considering similiar bills?

    No worries though, the states are totally solvent and all.

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    #2.7 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:00 PM EST

    guess again John the repebs are digging a hole to bury there whole party

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    #2.8 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:27 PM EST

    Here is a burning question- will Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi lead their troops through the woods to the democratic hide-out in Illinois?

    Will Obama join them there?

    I do not ask how they raise campaign funds while hissing out- they have the unions for that- but, do they really expect the average voter to support an entire political party that has, when faced with opposition, a policy that begins and ends with Running Away?!?

    Good lord.

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    #2.9 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:04 PM EST

    Well look at that.. here'e the one trick pony now!

    Giddy up old girl!

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    #2.10 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:11 PM EST

    POT Feisty.....there you go again........calling the kettle black!

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    #2.11 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:47 AM EST
    Reply

    I love the part on the Walker tape where he tries to tell the phony Koch that most of the protesters are being bused in from out of state.

    No, Scotty Baby, you've got your PHONY protesters, bused in by the Koch boys, mixed up with the REAL protesters. I'm sure Koch himself knows better than that. Sheesh.

    And how about that trip to California that you thought Koch was promising you, Scotty Baby? Looks like that's probably off. But we here in Wisconsin would all chip in to pay for it if you'd leave today and never come back.

    If you stay, you'll have to pay. You had your chance to play, and it's over.

    Bye bye. See you on Saturday Night Live. You've now OFFICIALLY become a joke.

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    Reply#3 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:24 PM EST

    And how about that trip to California that you thought Koch was promising you

    No doubt to that lesbian bondage club that's a favorite hang out of the RNC...

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    #3.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:27 PM EST

    Anna, Did you see SNL last week? Who was the joke then?

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    #3.2 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:40 PM EST

    Sure. But hypocrisy is good when it's in a good cause. ;-)

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    #3.3 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:53 PM EST

    I guess it just depends on whose good cause. :)

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    #3.4 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:57 PM EST

    You think? ;-)

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    #3.5 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:02 PM EST
    Reply

    Nice try to spin it that the Democrats are doing the shutting down when we all know it is the Republicans who are orchestrating the shutdown.

    What can they do in 2 weeks that they couldn't do now? Maybe they have another vacation scheduled after being off this week.

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    Reply#4 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:31 PM EST
    Reply

    The hope of the GOP leadership is that the two-week compromise would prevent a government shutdown and give the House and Senate some time to agree on a budget that cuts spending for fiscal year 2011.

    Isn't this a good thing? No shut down, possible compromise, 4 billion not 61 billion, and know one can see that its a good thing? Maybe you don't want to see them work together?

    I admit the response here is confusing.

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    Reply#5 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:47 PM EST

    Harry Reid said it best its just smoke and mirrors of the original "Just say no ' ANOTHER ATTEMPT BY gOP to shift blame as to whose fault it would be to shut the govt down.

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    #5.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:13 PM EST
    Reply

    Democrats should say fine buyt tell me first what you consider non-controversial areas to cut so that we can be specific in the Bill!

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    Reply#6 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:47 PM EST

    if you were a democrat what area wouldn't be contriversial. The senate can kill the houses cuts and even if it passed obama has said he will veto it. Regardless of how it plays the republicans will have the political edge.

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    #6.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:55 PM EST
    Reply

    If everyone is dealing with cut backs why isnt the congress/senate cutting their salaries to 42K and no benefits? Like most Americans get ...These "BUMS" have created everything that plagues America !They don't deserve a dam thing !

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    Reply#7 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:54 PM EST

    I'm waiting on the GOP Congress to say that they're including in this 4 Billion a week, the 2008 level of pay that they receive, since all the other Cuts are based on 2008 levels!

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    #7.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:51 PM EST
    Reply

    thetotas ~ Given the GOP track record, can you really blame anyone who doesn't trust them? After all, we heard Governor Walker say on that tape that he was planning to trick the democrats into coming back to the state just to talk and then pull the plug on the deal.

    What a leader. Who would ever trust him again?

    Republican integrity -- you can count on it. Not.

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    Reply#8 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:56 PM EST

    It really is a hoot that the governor has to trick the legislators to come back and do their job.

    Good golly Anna Molly where is the integrity of the Flee Party?

    Can't lead or have that adult conversation when you are on the lamb, now can you?

    I am shocked you take no issue with Wisconsin, but how about Indiana? There the dems want concessions on a host of other bills or they won't come back. Sounds ethical and right to you? I just bet it does.

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    #8.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:37 PM EST

    Spankster the Repubs already caved and killed the bill in Indiana...it worked and you Repubs lost. Now I hope that this arrogant loser in Wisconsin keeps it up and gets recalled, We americans didn't vote for the lies and deception. This is nothing new on the part of you Repubs say one thing and then do another. Real Americans are waking up to the BS

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    #8.2 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:59 PM EST

    rc - we'll have to see how it goes. We have Wisconsin and the several other states considering banning public employee unions. Then we'll have upcoming elections to see as well.

    Then of course we have the California/Ill./New York death watch - which one goes down first? My money is on Cali, where Brown is taking no actual steps to correct the $30 billion debt.

    But yeah, it just us Repubs that say one thing and then do another, right? Although I have to say I don't recall Obama saying he'd push through the "Bush tax cuts" and several other things, but hey, any port in a storm, right rc?

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    #8.3 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:16 PM EST

    You are right he didn't. He ....say it now "compromised" the thing you guys said you wouldn't do but did. And yes Walker didn't say he was going to get rid of the unions right to negotiate. He never would have gotten elected most of them wouldn't have been elected...it's the republican bait and switch...

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    #8.4 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:52 PM EST

    Spanky ~

    I am shocked you take no issue with Wisconsin, but how about Indiana? There the dems want concessions on a host of other bills or they won't come back. Sounds ethical and right to you? I just bet it does.

    I don't have to take a position on Indiana, Spankster. Governor Daniels already did that. He stated positively that he will not go after them. And economic conditions must not be all that dire because the bill is already dead. No deposit, no return. You lose.

    • 3 votes
    #8.5 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:40 PM EST
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    Did anyone doubt that agent orange would back down?

    He might be a terrible Speaker of the House but he's not stupid. The problem is he has a bunch of idiotic zealots that want to see the government burn.

    He's has been there long enough to know what will happpen if the shutdown occurs.

    There will be nothing done for next two years. No jobs bill - because the good ol boys know if the economy is still bad, it will make the President look bad. At first I thought they just had no ideas but now I see they want the economy to stay crappy.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#9 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:08 PM EST

    We need term limits on everyone .... 2 in a lifetime ! RETROACTIVE !!!!! This is how we will take back the government ....some states already have it ! And no RETIREMENTS for senate /congress theres a HUGE savings !

    • 4 votes
    Reply#10 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:23 PM EST

    You are 100 percent correct.

    • 2 votes
    #10.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:34 PM EST

    when the repubs took over while clinton was prez ... they ran on the promise of TERM LIMITS ..yes even RON PAUL... what happened to that contract on America... has any one heard of any republican that ran on that platform leave office at the end of the 4 year term... its always say one thing do another

    • 1 vote
    #10.2 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:36 PM EST
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    Steve-505729

    Getting a little testy there aren't you? People are seeing what damage you Repubs are doing. See my post above as Indiana has killed their bill to bust the union there.

    People are noticing that the Govs in Arizona and Florida (to mention a couple) are cutting billions in things like Medicaid and Education and then giving tax breaks to Corporations. People did not vote for this scam and you Repubs will be out on the street come 2012...Go back to yawning

    • 4 votes
    Reply#11 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:49 PM EST

    Possibly true rc, but what of the deficit and debt? Will it magically disappear and everyone will forget why these issues have arisen?

    Shall we increase corporate taxes? Might that not cause some to leave and head to places that tax less?

    • 4 votes
    #11.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:58 PM EST

    Well they are still getting tax breaks from the Bush tax cuts for supposedly creating jobs (and most of the creation is off shore). So leave but don't take the tax break. Of course that not what's been happening and that is totally un-american. So who are the ones looking for something for nothing and not paying taxes? Oh right its the poor and middle class....you are so full of it.

    PS...I have said this before to you most companies use the loop holes and corps pay less than 7% in taxes. If they are paying a lot in taxes they are stupid and need a new accountant.

    • 3 votes
    #11.2 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:11 PM EST

    No, no rc - that's Obama tax cuts, mister.

    And rc, my man corporate profits are taxed more than once. Also, you really need to blame the politicians for the existing tax code. Hey, who is in charge right now? Rangle got the boot right? But he was in charge for a long time. What did he do to fix them loopholes rc?

    • 4 votes
    #11.3 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:19 PM EST

    Oh Spankster he just continued them till 2012 so that people could get unemployment you know all those lazy Libs just looking for a hand out because there are so many jobs here....is this China, India oh wait it's the US and we make to much so until everyone capitulates to slave wages we won't create any jobs at home ahhh the Repub patriotism.

    • 1 vote
    #11.4 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:25 PM EST

    I'm glad to see you are getting it. He failed to stand up and kinda voted "present." It cool, I'm glad I got the continued tax rates. But the unemployment benefits sure are not helping the debt.

    But dude, that's why I work for myself - no worries about slave wages.

    But how about that tax code? Why no actual movement? Rangel has a long time, right? You think Rangel liked the loopholes?

    • 4 votes
    #11.5 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:51 PM EST

    Well at least he voted something and not just "no". And so do I but I am not a greedy b@stard and I don't pay slave wages. As for the tax code neither party has really wanted to reform it so what's your point? You guys were in control for years so what's the excuse...lol

    • 1 vote
    #11.6 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:56 PM EST

    I think you need to read the news- the report about Daniels was erroneously reported, as it was edited. He, and his staff, sent out transcripts of the ENTIRE statement, and it turned out he was talking about the protesters, not the democrats- who, by the way, are still at the hide-out.

    Meanwhile, in Wisconsin, the republicans are passing all kinds of laws that they do not need the democrats presence to enact.

    Things like ID's for voters- which, by the way, is a good idea, but one which the democrats actively despise. How can you bus people from polling place to polling place if they need to present ID? Do you even know how much phony ID's COST?!?! People will be limited to one vote!

    Make no mistake about it- these union rules will be enacted. Legislatures will set the amounts of employee contributions for pension and benefits- and workers will have the right to vote on whether or not they want union representation.

    The train has already left the station.

    • 4 votes
    #11.7 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:29 PM EST

    Not only am I reading it but watching it on many different stations and as usual you are wrong but I am not going to listen to your twisted BS as I see you on here everyday with all your misinformation and hate.

    • 4 votes
    #11.8 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:37 PM EST

    Rc, she has nuttin better to do. Her socalled hubby stays overseas 24-7, her Lil Princess is from lalaland, which is where NJNB lives. Valium is the CureAll for everything, kinda like Granny Clampetts Rumitism medicine.

    In otherwords, she lives in the State of Denial! Sad life to exist in, if ya know what I mean.

    Been reading this back & forth with Spanky & yourself & I see where Spanky fails to mention(Oopsy), that Charlie Rangel was'nt in charge between Jan-1995 & Jan-2007. He's still under the Impression that President Obama can hold the hand of the SaudiKing(of course with a lil Peck on the Cheek for good measure) to make them lower the Price of Oil. No wait, he thinks there's an infinite supply of Oil that is for Our own personal use, screw our Kids & grandkids.

    He's a MeFirster! Screw everyone Else.

    BTW Spanky, how come you never ask the Republicans on here what they do for a Living or if they're on the Company Dime, while still posting on 1st Read?

    Whazzzzzzup?

    • 3 votes
    #11.9 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:42 PM EST

    I'll be the first to tell you that I work for a small business and my boss is MORE than happy to have me spend a few minutes each day rebutting you lefty liberals......He is an actual PRIVATE SECTOR businessman who has been in business for almost 30 years; he has had to layoff people for the first time in all of those years and he will tell you that OBAMA's policies are the worst policies for business he has seen in all of his 30 years!

    • 1 vote
    #11.10 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:01 AM EST
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    Steve-505729

    Pietro,

    What. Isn't he a half White man. Isn't his mother White? i mean whats wrong with saying the Truth?

    And how does Race come into this at all?

    • 2 votes
    Reply#12 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:27 PM EST

    It is because Steve is trying to be 'witty', but his true feelings are made public.

    I guess it SUCKS to be Steve...

    • 2 votes
    #12.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:01 PM EST
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    Return with us to theterrible days of 1994 when the Republican were all in favor ofterm limts..Wasn't that intrepid and daring Newt Grincgich in favor of them?

    The suddenly he wasn't. And now he wants to run for President..a guy who simply couln't keep his word..and niether could Boehmer and others too.

    If you havea continuing resolution ever 2 weeks you can wiggle out $2 billion and claim victory. People will sayisn't onlya nother $2 billion- small change...a nice hook in the mouth I think. And desinate theamount, notthe cut-so you never have to say where...

    Actually Republican had a germ of an idea when the wanted to prioritize debt for repayment. Normally that would go from the most interest to least interest as they did under Robet Rubin. We mightwantto ask Rubinto come up with a similar plan with Paull Ryan.

    An other thing to think about is there's still a lot of counties that haven't paid up of their loans left from WWI and WWII. Over 60 years have gone by..surely something sould be repaid..look at Finland.. Then there's fforiegn assest from the Shah of Iran and others..they too could be converted and used to pay dowm.

    Also drug loard assets to be sold off and proceeds to retire debt.

    There a lot that could be done thatisn't-and should.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#13 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:38 PM EST

    Forbes had it right when he ran for prez... 10% flat tax ...no ifs ands or buts....but if anyone mentions TAX any kind of TAX the corporate world goes ballistic ..the republicans will always fight for Corporate profits against the middle class

      Reply#14 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:51 PM EST

      I dont know about that jim. A flat tax and elimination of the loop holes makes sense all the way around. The problem may be be with those that prefer a to keep 47% paying nothing and allowing deductions for things that favor particular industries. Home mortgage deduction comes to mind as one of the sacred cows.

        #14.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:05 PM EST
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        Reid calls saving $2Billion a week "reckless"?

        And it isn't going to "fool anyone"?

        WTF is he inhaling? Crack?

        That asswipe is insane.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#15 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:25 PM EST

        I do so love a civil discussion with no name-calling. Republicans never name-call. Only democrats do that.

        • 3 votes
        #15.1 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:42 PM EST
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        Give them hell Harry. It just more dirty tricks coming from the reckless Republicans-Tea People.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#16 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:44 PM EST

        Steve, You have shown yourself to be a racist idiot. You have also disgraced yourself. Grow up...

        • 4 votes
        Reply#17 - Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:29 PM EST

        Just cut the tax cut to big Oil 53 Billion

        Or 70 Billion tax cut to the Rich

        Or 140 Billion to Farmers

        Or 660 Billion to Defense Contractors

        • 2 votes
        Reply#18 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:40 AM EST

        660 Billion to defense contractors? That's the entire defense budget. I guess all those solders, sailors and airmen need to work for free. Right Lee?

        Even then you still cannot close the budget gap. So what do you propose next? Or did you forget that more than 50% of all spending is on entitlements?

        • 1 vote
        #18.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:08 PM EST
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        Wow can you believe that Scott Walker what a boob

        I guess that's what you get for Republican/Tea Party member maybe the Koch Brothers should have picked better

        wonder now if the Koch Brothers are going to get those two Power Plants, with the new law Walker is trying to push through the no bid and gives the Governor the right to sale State Property with no bids

        just another way to screw the taxpayers in Wisconsin , after giving tax cuts to the Koch Brothers and Rich 140 Million worth and putting the State DEBT

        Oh yea he's going to bust the Unions , take away their Rights, lower their wage, make them pay for their Health Care, and Pension and that should be enough to make up to pay for the tax cuts to the Koch Brothers and Rich

        Once Koch Brothers get to buy those two Power Plants for next to nothing that will be pay back for all that money the Koch Brothers made to Scott Walker election fund

        Way to go Walker

        How many election laws did you Break Walker

        Time to Recall Walker or at least impeachment him

        He's a lier , a Thief, Republican /Tea Party

        • 4 votes
        Reply#19 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:59 AM EST

        Amen Lee. Great Post.

        • 1 vote
        #19.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:29 AM EST
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        If the House GOP Leadership thinks the government is so broke, why is the military still operating and why are there still tax cuts for oil companies and why big corporation pay no taxes?

          Reply#20 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:01 AM EST

          I saw that fake interview and I find it disturbing that Walker would brag about his baseball bat, try to trick the Senators to come back into the state, try to incite riots, and he personally was talking about himself breaking laws. Looks like Wisconsin voted in a mobster instead of a Governor.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#21 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:17 AM EST

          Dems, I didn't know that your fat cat unions has been giving the Democrat Party billions of dollars for years. Now, we're going to bust up some of them. The country is broke Dems. BROKE. Your Barry is spending more that he makes. Typically of your mentality. The country is BROKE. BROKE. BROKE. BROKE. BROKE. How do you run your homes Dems? Do your fathers and mothers spend more than they earn? Do you spend more than what you earn? Now about JOBS. Typical of you Dems. Always moaning about this and that. Your Barry the Nobody Piece Prize winner won the election handsomely. He won the Presidency, the House, the Senate and the People. And the hell did he do? Everything went to hell. Instead of concentrating on jobs and the economy he played Russian roulette with the greatest economy in the world and lost. There are now no jobs , no anything but a lost Obamacare smelling of Stalinist manure. He gambled away everything including the economy with his stupid boasting of sharing the wealth. This man is not a politician. Any five year old can see that. Now, the American people are unemployed and you Dems are now asking for jobs barely two months into the Republican win and your Barry had nearly three years to make Americans gainfully employed but he has failed. He has gambled away and lost a continent like others in past history. The American people don't want this leader anymore. He has BROKE the country. It is up to the Repubs to bring back the economic background to make this country viable again. Dems your Socialist policies don't work yet you continue to elect men who are Socialists and who have no conception of the failures of Socialism. Classic example is Barry Obama and he tried to impose Socialism on us and it hasn't worked Dems. Give it up Dems your Socialism will never WORK in America. WE ARE BROKE.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#22 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:46 AM EST

          JuvenBachan.........

          The democrats don't care that this country is BROKE...

          What they care about is keeping the unions alive......you see, rank and file union members pay ALOT of money in for "DUES"....then the UNION BIGWIGS or FATCATS (whichever you prefer) give that money to Democratic candidates to push their socialist agenda.

          The rank and file members DON"T get a say in where their "dues" money goes....and they really don't care as long as the UNION FATCATS are getting them MORE. and MORE, and MORE of our TAX DOLLARS.

          • 2 votes
          #22.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:11 AM EST

          In case any of you didn't know, Wisconsin law allows compulsory unionism. That means public school teachers are FORCED to pay union dues to a private organization with a partisan political agenda - simply for the privilege of having a job. If you want a teaching job in Wisconsin it's - Pay your dues, sit down, and shut up.

          So, what is the WEAC (Wisconsin Education Assoc. Council) actually protecting?...it's members or it's source of income?

          In forced unions, the union speaks for the teachers even if the their view conflicts with the teachers own personal views. There are thousands of teachers in these forced unions that have no choice but to give their money to a cause that they don't even support just to keep their job.....sounds like the mafia to me.

          How is this democratic, transparent, or fair?

          • 1 vote
          #22.2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:14 PM EST
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          FR's own Baghdad Bob speaks.

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          Reply#23 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:52 AM EST

          The comments section of this article is a stark reminder that the education system is not working in America. From the uninformed opinions, gross misspellings, and the petty and immature personal attacks, it's really quite sad. I hope one of the Jersey Shore cast runs for President when they are old enough and then all will realize how silly American Politics has become. Furthermore I'm a Republican and please stop lumping me in with the Lipton Party.

            Reply#24 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:51 AM EST

            So....anyone have access to a line by line on the cuts the Teapublicans have made in their proposal? Or is it all hush hush because they haven't yet figured out how to spin it when Reid reads them out loud to the public to show why it will never be approved?

              Reply#25 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:38 PM EST
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