Dear moron....I mean Steve.

Per the Hyde amendment PP uses no federal funds for abortions.

This is all about the TEAGop War On Women 2011.

I bet every woman who posts here at one time or another went to a PP office.
Not for an abortion, but for a cheap pap or cheap BC pills or because of a nasty infection (in the days before we could get the good stuff over the counter) or for a "real" pregnancy test in the days before the at home ones were so good.

I've used PP over the years (I'm 48) whenever I did not have insurance or my OB/GYN could not fit me in (or was off delivering a baby and I was not going to wait for another damn appointment) or I did not have enough money for my deductible.

Now some people are lucky and their local health department does pregnancy tests or paps...but that is not the case everywhere.

Yawn,

Steve you idiot you probably have eight children out there that you don't know about because you "couldn't keep your legs closed." What a dumb-ass dude you are. Why so resentful of women having sex? It must always be a charity situation for you.

steve'slegs..........

can you say green-eyed monster?.........

it's ok, some just aren't as witty as others, I'm sure your strong suit lies.........somewhere else.

"True American." Good God I hope that isn't true.

steve'slegs

I have to agree with you about Steve's lick of common sense. If I may, I would throw true american into that group.

Yawn,,,,,

what a Laugh, As you can tell Women dont have a Responsiblity to keep their legs closed so they dont get pregnant. but you as Tax Payers have a Responsiblity to Pay for those unwanted Pregnancies because they couldn't keep their legs Closed..

See. Listen to them ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRR............. Its my Body its my Choice keep your hands off my Body. Well i say Keep your hands out of my Wallet................. BE Responsible and keep your legs closed if you dont want to get pregnant..

Except that a war on women would be more like the Iranian government not the tea party members, many of whom, in case you never noticed, are women who freely speak their minds.

i will not take the high road here.

Steve, it is people like you ruining our nation.

you are ignorant, egotistical and out of touch - i guess that would make you a member of congress?

jump in a lake and take all the prejudice, ignorant and pathetic excuses for democratic, compassionate human beings with you. you ignorant waste of space.

JS,

All i am saying is keep your legs closed. I mean really if you dont want to get Pregnant.. Whats so hard about that?....

Okay whats the real problem here because it sure isn't where the federal funds are going. Federal funds aren't being used to pay for abortions. Americans need health care and PP provides it like any other Medical office. Patients with Medical assistance (which is on the governments dime) walk into any doctors office and get the same care they would get at PP, So if this is not a personal attack on PP why dont we get real crazy and stop all government provided insurance or better yet close every Doctors office that provides abortions,BC and well woman's visit that excepts government insurance( being sarcastic).

Steve, while I don't agree with you in any way, at least that would mean no one would open their legs to you. It's the little things. . .

Nice, Steve. REAL NICE!!! Judging by your comment, it would appear that you don't think that MEN (unfortunateto include you) don't have a responsibility as well. Last time I checked, it takes TWO to tango. Punk-Assed Dead Beat Daddies like you sicken me, because you go about and think that women are something of a conquest (and unfortunately, so did I when I was in my teens and didn't know any better) and if she gets pregnant, you say "Hey, it's on you" and move on to the next conquest; NOT realizing her TRUE worth is more than just "The Kitchen And The Bedroom".

Steve,

One word is not good enough, because you're not showing that you have the intellectual capacity to back up that statement. Abortion services account for less than 10% of PP services, the rest include cancer screenings, family planning and other reproductive health care. If you care so much about saving money, then you'll be sad to know that this cut will result in a huge spike in the number of poor women having children, and needing welfare. So more of your tax dollars will go to supporting them. And why are Republicans so short-sighted always in relation to the environment? Does nobody think about the fact that our world's population is approaching 7 billion quickly? Where do you think all the food, jobs and other resources are going to come from to support all these people?

take a look at all the comments and notice that those who oppose abortion do simply that, they oppose abortion, not on a personal basis. those who support abortion not only support abortion, but they attack the mentality, morality, intelligence, of those persons who disagree with them, and they accuse them of anything they can conjure up that might show them to be inconsiderate, uncompassionate, immature, women hating morons. i always noted the the insecure, unintelligent, self-centered ill-informed bullies who were afraid to be exposed as such were the ones crying the loudest about the issues they knew little about, and simply wanted to look better than they really are. pro-abortion proponents need to change their tactics. they're exposing their backsides.

The main strategy from Republican leaders is to create uncertainty for the American people. They hope to bring us to our knees. Once there, they hope we'll have no choice but to relinquish a few more rights and protections.

We know that making angry, negative movies is easy to do and requires zero creativity. But it takes real creativity to convince folks that we don't need what we desperately need, ie, decent wages, health care and education.

Well, let's see....if the Republicans make a law that defines life as beginning at conception, then they may be able to circumvent abortion laws, but that would also present some other rahter serious problems. For if that happened then birth certificates would no longer be needed, but you would have to apply for a certificate of conception once a woman finds out she is pregnant and all the vital information that would be on a birth certificate will need to be filled out on the certificate of conception. I guess we'll have to install government cameras in every room of all residences in order to obtain accurate information on the date and time of the actual conception, then they'd have to go ahead and file for the social security number. Oh yes, and if the miscarry then you'll have to fill out an annulment form also, along with the death certificate. This would also help them circumvent the 14th Amendment. Yes, the child would have to be conceived here, not just born. Any takers???? LOL!!!

Please review. You will see how wall street continues to flip us all the bird.

We need to contact Fox/ MSNBC/every media you can, to get this mess straighten out. PLEASE REVIEW............

www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/

www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216?page=6

To get back to the subject of cutting programs and the effects on society:

Statistics showed that after cutting county teen programs for high school students' family planning options, teen pregnancy rose by 13%. Imagine how cutting nation wide health programs will affect our citizens. There is not enough access to care as it is, and cutting programs is creating bigger problems than the short sighted sort that would choose to strip funding to Planned Parenthood.

Just a couple of points here.... If the federal funding going to PP is paying the light bill, the rent on the room an abortion is done in, the medical supplies used in the procedure, but doens't pay the MD for the procedure, aren't they, by proxy, paying for abortions?

Why is it that government money is the solution for every problem we face? Why can't the rich, like Babs Streisand, or Steve Jobs or Bill Gates pony up some of their fabulous wealth to pay for things like this instead of tax payers?

If the Republicans are successful in taking the funding from Planned Parenthood, maybe there should be a push by those who support Planned Parenthood to raise funds to make up for the loss of federal funding. How many of you supporters would be willing to donate $1000 to Planned Parenthood ? How many would be willing to donate $100 ? How about $10 ? If the supporters can get enough people willing to donate their funds to this "necessary" entity together, the federal funding would not be missed. So, who among you is willing to head up this effort to keep Planned Parenthood afloat ?

Reason, by that same notion, how many corporations should give out money to pay for our defense budget? How many takers do you think they'd get? How many do think would leave the country instead? Maybe you should also ask, just how many individual supporters can actually afford to make donations, given the state of the economy? Corporations on the other hand, aren't hurting. They have been making record profits, and are sitting on tons of cash. Or maybe they should fund PP as well. Food for thought.

Concur!!

I didn't concur with Steve, but with Navy Veteran!!

yea,, Bonnie. You would rather have Young Girls Getting Abortions then actually being Responsible and not opening there legs to boys that wont wear Protection. Men can't get Pregnant. its the womans Responsiblity she doesn't end up in that condition if she doesn't want to be in that condition.....

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

And the attack on the reproductive rights of women is officially under way. The GOP/TP is showing their true colors on what they think about women. This is all about power and control over a segment of our population. They did it by denying equal pay for equal work now this. The GOP/TP continues to try and make women second class citizens. Repugnant.

Hi Navy

It's not just women they are repugnant about. It's their whole world vision; especially when it comes to life, liberty, social, and economic justice.

It's not just about abortion. It's about screenings for STDs, help with wanted pregnancies, HIV tests, and things that enrich life.

Taxpayers don't fund abortions under the Hyde Agreement, this cessation of funding is for family planning (birth control, sex education, STI/HIV testing, pap smears, adoption services, fertility services, cancer screenings, etc). Men use Planned Parenthood too.

It's not just about abortion. It's about screenings for STDs, help with wanted pregnancies, HIV tests, and things that enrich life

Guess not.

Well, not according to those who would push through their own agendas, or those who can't see beyond their own tunnel vision to see the larger picture. However, in the grand scheme of things, Planned Parenthood does far more than just the abortions that people spend their time getting up in arms about. It's just sad that they can't see that; that they can't see that there's already legislation in the works and (I believe, but I could be wrong) in the books that states there's no federal funding for abortions outside of incest, rape, or danger to the mother -- so if the funding can't be used on that, it would obviously go only to doing the myriad of other things that Planned Parenthood actually does to help the community.

Addy : . . . HIV tests, and things that enrich life.

Question. Whose life is enriched during an abortion? The mother's? Or the baby's? Or the people that work at Planned Parenthood who get federal dollars so they can make their payroll?

Planned Parenthood does not perform abortions. Another right wing lie.

Hey Navy Vet- thank you for fighting for our country first of all- but I have a question for you and all who agree with said "women's rights...."

WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHT OF THE GIRL IN THE WOMB?

haha and you think the GOP isn't for women, when you're actually FOR killing the woman inside of her??

Talk about bass akwards.

Question. Whose life is enriched during an abortion? The mother's? Or the baby's? Or the people that work at Planned Parenthood who get federal dollars so they can make their payroll?

I will simply operate under the idea that you did not read my entire post. Planned Parenthood doesn't ONLY do abortions. They also teach sex education, encourage safe sex, help women who are pregnant get the care they need to bring a healthy child to term, so perhaps all of those people they help are the ones who's lives are enriched? Abortions, now according to the Hyde Amendment bars the use of federal funds for abortions (save for in the cases of rape, incest, and danger to the mother's life) so in all reality, the claiming that they are stripping Planned Parenthood of their funding to stop the abortions doesn't hold too much water. Your questions as to who's life is enriched involving the mother or the child, is a moot one, as abortion isn't in question here, the other services Planned Parenthood is engaged in are.

And yes, I do believe that working for the betterment of the community and getting paid for it are things that enrich the lives of people on staff at Planned Parenthood, though I cannot speak from first hand experience.

Insult: Any of you people ever look up the word "melodrama" in the dictionary?

Did you?

How about the word compassion?

Having a right and having everybody else pay for it are two different things. Like the old saying goes, having freedom of the press doesnt mean presses are free. Same goes for all the rights. Have you ever noticed how none of the rights are "tangible" things? Founding fathers were very smart.

Well, anyone with half brain knows that the control nuts on the right have been trying to control women rights since day one. I hoping this dumb a$$ move by the house will be killed by the senate.

I stand today and say that the Republicans hate women that can think for themselves.

Steve,

Please stop watching FOX Noise. The studies are now showing that that network is making people stupid that watch it. Just a suggestion

Only 3% of planned parenthood's budget is allocated to abortion services. Beyond the issue of abortion, this bill is a direct attack on low-income women. As a scholarship student at Stanford University, I grew up using planned parenthood services for my essential needs: pap smears, birth control (so that I would NOT become another poor single mother) and testing. I cannot believe that the political party that decries single motherhood, teen pregnancy, and low-income families with large numbers of children simultaneously is chomping at the bit to remove the services that make young women feel empowered to make smart and healthy decisions about their bodies and relationships.

Matthew,

LOL Really?

plannedparenthood.org

It's on their web site!!!! WOW, you're priceless dude.

"Planned Parenthood does not perform abortions. Another right wing lie."

NO ONE has the right to dictate reproductive decisions for anyone else. That includes the choice to abort. Keep your God and your Bible thumping out of other people's lives. Anti choice people make the choice to not abort, to not use birth control, whatever, it is their choice as individuals, and it is no one else's business. PP has provided affordable HEALTH CARE to women (and men) for many years. This is another attempt to deprive health care to those who cannot afford or do not otherwise have access to other health care options.

Why is there no discussion about spending tax dollars on two loser wars? I object to any of my tax dollars being spent on war. I prefer my tax dollars support PP in the continuing efforts to provide affordable health care services to women, including safe abortions. Why are the noisy few allowed to dictate reproductive choice? Why are most members of Congress who so vigorously oppose women's health care White Men who Thump Bibles? Again, it is men stepping up to tell the little women what they can and cannot do.

I object to my tax money spent on murdering babies with abortions and also I prefer Bible reading then War but if War is needed then let it be. But I will pray God protects our soliders and brings them home to their loved ones. We are Victorious. In order to keep freedom alive so we do not have to live under regimes of ruthless radicall religious leader who cut peoples heads off or hands off or stone women. So yeah. you feel me.

@Navy, for once fellow i agree with you. A woman should have the right to do whatever with her reproductive organs. I have no argument.

My argument is with the funding. Should I have to pay, or should the woman who makes the decision pay for her decision? Personally, I pay for my personal health care, so should she.

And if the woman is of a social economic class, let the Obama HC package provide her the means not to conceive, dispensed through her doctor at a reduced cost or traded for services she should provide. After all, Obama does believe in community service.

WOMEN HAVE RIGHTS!!!

They include:

The right to cook my meals. The right to scrub my floors. The right to wash my clothes. And some other ones I can't mention on a public forum.

You wish. Especially as to the ones you "can't mention."

Think of the RIGHTS,

All people are entitled to the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The unborn baby can have neither of the second two rights without the first, making any provider of abortions, no matter how many they provide an institution which is non-constitutional and non-American.

Wisconsin should do the same.

@Evan. incase you missed it abortion is constitutionally legal in America. Look it up.

kjmcdonald13, What right do I, as a man, have to force a woman to carry something that she does not want?

Who the hell are you to say that she must carry the child of her attacker, be it a stranger or someone well known to her, I.E a family member?

What gives you the right to come between a doctor, the patient, and her treatment?

And if she pays for it out of HER pocket, what is it to you?

JH, Seattle, WA,

"abortion is constitutionally legal"

Roe v Wade (if that is the constitutional basis for your statement) was decided foremost on the basis of a individual's right to due process as interpreted through the 14th Amendment ("...nor that the state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law") and not on abortion per se. Later on the decision was interpreted that abortion rights were guaranteed through that Supreme Court decision. All it would take is for the court to redefine the Roe v Wade decision which would strike away the abortion rights interpretation (sort of like Brown v Board of Education striking down the Plessy v Ferguson decision).



The point here, for many citizens it is not enough that there is a legal authority to have abortions but there is no moral authority to do so. These same people may accept the law of the land to allow abortions but they'll be damned if they'll support abortions through these programs with their tax money. They feel this way especially since state budgets are tight and the feeling that many pregnancies are caused through negligence.

@Pine

Would it trouble you to know the Afghan and Iraq war were set up under pretense. Pretense that Mr Cheney, of Haliburton helped set up. And it really has nothing to do with oil because the oil companies have clean energy technologies, how do I know this, my uncle worked for them as a scientist. The US government kills its own citizens. Most of them do not care AT ALL and ESPECIALLY about women. This is MASCULINE destructive energy and its worst.

Cheney overruled the clean air and water act and his company is now drilling, fracking, poisonous chemicals into the US ground, posioning water supplies. 2/3 of the US has natural gas deposits and theyve tried, and have succeeded in killing animals and destroying wildlife, along with peoples lives. Though Iraqis people were poor it wasnt because Saddam was a threat anymore, it was because the US and UN has such sanctions on them. My own brother served. We got rid of him to put a puppet in place the US could control, it had nothing to do with the peoples freedoms.

There is an all out war on women and feminine energy going on. If these services were taken away youd see welfare, more overpolulation, and a mess. Ignorance IS NOT BLISS. Campassion however is.

My last trip to Washington I landed in the middle of a pro life ralley, the majority of the protesters were KIDS, teenagers!

There are tough choices in life, and its every persons right to choose themselves. This is even about abortiomn, its about hate, and anti women.

Steve- I am a woman and I actually somewhat agree with you. I have friends and relatives that keep popping out babies when they can't afford them so they go to the government for help- which comes back to us. Whether they get an abortion or not, we're still paying for their "help". Seems cheaper to me if they just get the abortion instead of feeding off the system for years and years... and yes I agree a lot of women, for whatever reason, do not worry about contraception. I have friends that "do not believe" in hormonal birth control- and apparently condoms as well..?? We are already suffering from overpopulation as it is... I say if you want an abortion, go get one- one less human in this world sucking up resources. I'm being logical which will of course be twisted into "being coldhearted, insensitive, blah blah"... it's hard to be a level headed, logical woman these days when most women think with their feelings..

What "right" was stripped away?

Or is this one of those pretend rights you Libs keep coming up with?

And Dr Ron: The score is 6-3.

JoAnne

They will NEVER be able to accept the fact that rights come from God alone and that Government in general and Barack Hussein Obama in particular are not god.

JoAnnaSmith1

What "right" was stripped away?

Or is this one of those pretend rights you Libs keep coming up with?

And Dr Ron: The score is 6-3.

Woman would you please get serious. Whose controlling your body? Never mind the GOP/TEA BAGGER crack pots have your body and mind.

That means since they give you crack pot talking points the score for you is a goose egg.

A real woman has control of her body.

What right was stripped away??????????

This hasn't even been signed into law, so basically nothing is stripped.

What RIGHT was stripped away????????

Well, let's see . . .

The right they are trying to strip away is the right to privacy established by the Supreme Court. Any other questions?

The ironic part is that Planned Parenthood does not perform abortions so taking away funding from them doesn't take money away from abortion providers. The idiots in the Republican/TP Inc. party can't even get a bad idea right.

Please Insult Me!

A real woman has control of her body

Not when I walk into the room, baby.

Are you walking upright on 2 feet; or do you need assistance?

Matty: The right they are trying to strip away is the right to privacy

And what privacy has a women lost if Planned Parenthood isn't federally funded? Details please.

Matty: The ironic part is that Planned Parenthood does not perform abortions

No, but they do facilitate them, no?

No, JS1, they do not. You really are an idiot with the reading comprehension skills of a 2nd grader, the first question is answered in the post, fool.

Hey Ron, it's a right, no issues there, I don't want to pay for it. How is the rights being stripped away? By not paying for it?

@ Bev,

Woman would you please get serious. Whose controlling your body?

Bev, for once I agree with you.....should the woman want to partake of the services that planned parenthood offers, they should. But, as I pay my way through the world for my services, so should they. But I am not heartless, if they for reason cannot pay for those services, then they can perform community service for payment. After all, President Obama believes in community service.

And really, to end the day:

Women control 50% of the finances in the country today, with 100% of sex.

Please Insult Me!

Not when I walk into the room, baby.

Only in my dreams, baby.

Oops. I meant YOUR dreams. ;-)

Please insult me You wouldn't in anybody's dreams unless it was a nightmare.

I guess that Sarah Palin is one of your heroes, I mean after all, she wants women who were sexually assaulted to pay for their own rape kit EVEN THOUGH rape is a crime in ANY state.

No,no,no,no... I take that back... YOUR REAL HERO is Sharon Angle, the woman who compares a little girl being raped by a family member to comparing lemons to make lemonade!!!!!

Geez if I get shot by some stranger they are still going to bill me for the ambulance ride....how about giving that to me for free?

But Joebuck, you deserve to be shot. Where's the crime in that? That should be called justice. We can always place a call to your hero Dick Cheney, I'm sure he'll oblige you if you buy the booze for him. LOL!!

wow. "contract killing" and "genocide". I can't believe you are comparing planned parenthood to blackwater and Saddam Hussein.

You lie, Larry! Planned Parenthood does not provide abortion services nor do they fund abortion services.

Can't you trolls even get basic facts right? Oops, my bad, facts don't matter to you. Never mind.

Then Larry, she was lied too or she lied to you or you are lying.

PP can not use Federal Funds per the Hyde amendment for abortions. They just can't.

This is about taking away an alternative, affordable reproductive health care option from poor, working and middle class women.

I bet every woman who posts here at one time or another went to a PP office.
Not for an abortion, but for a cheap pap or cheap BC pills or because of a nasty infection (in the days before we could get the good stuff over the counter) or for a "real" pregnancy test in the days before the at home ones were so good.

I've used PP over the years (I'm 48) whenever I did not have insurance or my OB/GYN could not fit me in (or was off delivering a baby and I was not going to wait for another damn appointment) or I did not have enough money for my deductible.

Now some people are lucky and their local health department does pregnancy tests or paps...but that is not the case everywhere. if only this effected guys with STD or lack of wood the GOP would (and the men here) would never cut the funding.

And Jules if those things were ALL they did then I wouldnt have a problem with tax dollars going to them....

Its the fact that a place that performs abortions (Hyde Amendment or not) is recieving tax dollars is the issue.

Only 3% of planned parenthood's budget is allocated to abortion services. Beyond the issue of abortion, this bill is a direct attack on low-income women. As a scholarship student at Stanford University, I grew up using planned parenthood services for my essential needs: pap smears, birth control (so that I would NOT become another poor single mother) and testing. I cannot believe that the political party that decries single motherhood, teen pregnancy, and low-income families with large numbers of children simultaneously is chomping at the bit to remove the services that make young women feel empowered to make smart and healthy decisions about their bodies and relationships.

I am surprised that NO ONE on the Right considered the fact that a PP CAN REFER a woman to see an abortionist IF SHE SO CHOOSES, judging from the comments on here!!!!!

Larry, whoever told you that the government gave Planned Parenthood money for abortions LIED TO YOU! Federal money cannot be used for abortions.

Planned Parenthood does more than provide women a SAFE place to have an abortion if she so chooses. Women can also get education, cervical and breast cancer screenings, STD Testing, and access to different types of contraceptives. But, by eliminating funding, these women will not have access to these services. Medicaid doesn't cover everyone, and Planned Parenthood provides a woman a place to go so she can keep her reproductive system healthy. Have you not thought that by cutting funding for Planned Parenthood, we are going to have to INCREASE funding for other welfare programs because of the pregnancy rate that will rise? In 2007 in Maryland alone, $5.2 billion dollars was spent on Medicaid. How much do you think that will increase because young women do not have a place to be educated about their sexual health and receive birth control? It's much cheaper to provide birth control than to provide welfare assistance to a child. Larry, how would you feel if tomorrow your wife or your daughter (or any other woman you care about) lost their health insurance and needed to use PP as a place to keep their sexual and reproductive health in check? Would you rather they didn't have that STD test that could save their fertility, or that cervical cancer screening that could save their LIFE?

There was a time in my life where I did not have health insurance. I went to my local Planned Parenthood office as a way to make sure I stayed healthy. During that time, they found cancerous cells on my cervix, and took the necessary steps to stop the disease before it spread. Without the option of Planned Parenthod, I would most likely not have gotten that annual screening, and who knows where I would be now. People oppose Planned Parenthood because they provide abortions, but they also save lives.

I fully believe in a woman's right to choose. Please note, this does not necessarily mean that if I found out I was pregnant tomorrow, I would go out and have an abortion. It means that I don't think it is anyone else's place to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body. You don't have to support abortion, I can understand why people don't and I can understand why people don't want to pay for it out of their paychecks, but please be open-minded enough to realize that Planned Parenthood is about way more than abortions.

Bob - So women have a right to make me pay for their abortions?

No, no, no! Don't give'em any hints. Let the Libs describe what "right" has been taken away. Their answers are always, shall we say, interesting, if not just outright bizarre.

Federal funding for Planned Parenthood goes for contraceptive funding and sex education. Do your research.

Then they're not doing a very good job, because young girls are still getting pregnant and having abortions by the thousands!

True American,

You have no idea what the prevention rate is based on young girls AND BOYS who have received information from planned parenthood and make better decisions because of it. Get a grip, do your research.

Do you?...............

No Bob they don't per the Hyde Amendment.

JoAnna ~

No, no, no! Don't give'em any hints. Let the Libs describe what "right" has been taken away.

The right to access services. Ding, ding, ding, ding ... ding.

Let me guess, True American: Your parents DIDN'T have "The Talk" with you while you were growing up, now did they?

I can only infer that you didn't have "The Talk" with your kids, and I would bet money that you were all too glad that they yanked Sex Ed out of high schools.

Let's get real: Kids are going to go out and get into situations that are compromising, and having sex is one of them!!!!

So, basically, you are down to TWO CHOICES: 1) You either talk to your kids, and let the schools teach Sex Ed, OR 2) Their friends WILL talk to them FOR YOU, and the way I see it, option 2 has been used way too damn much!!!

Yup. If we quit funding poor people they will just go away. Typical right wing logic. My money. MINE. MINE. ALL MINE!!!!!!

According to one study, the costs to the U.S. associated with childhood poverty total about $500 billion per year, or the equivalent of nearly 4 percent of GDP.

Pay now or pay later. But you WILL pay.

Matt in Houston, Planned parenthood does provide abortion service. They also provide RU487 and the morning after pill as well as many well-care services for women.

Well that would be none.

And just how many jobs is this going to create? I thought so!

A few will be lost, that's for sure. So be it, Donny.

well, its that much less that has to be borrowed for your kids to pay back later.

and if anybody thinks that abortions are not subsidized by your tax money is just delirious. Its all in accounting. Think about it.

And I would agree with you IF they werent also performing abortions with government nomey....

No matter how you slice it the Hyde Amendment means nothing..... Planned Parenthood recieves government money..... Planned Parenthood also performs abortions.....

ergo Government money (since it is all in the smae pot of money at Planned Parenthood) is going to fund abortions.

Larry-

if planned parenthood no longer exists, how do you propose low-income women (like myself) will receive these services? I do not have health insurance and have always been treated with respect and compassion by the women at planned parenthood. I do not trust anti-abortion clinics to provide me with respectful, comprehensive services. For the record, I do not have health insurance because the faith-based nonprofit I work for does not give it to me until 3 months of employment. I have never had an abortion but I used planned parenthood services regularly. Where do you suggest I go for compassionate services for my essential needs (so that I do NOT get pregnant)?

Larry ~

No matter how you slice it the Hyde Amendment means nothing..... Planned Parenthood recieves government money..... Planned Parenthood also performs abortions.....

You don't like it, keep it zipped, Larry. If you can. I hear Please Insult Me! is pretty hot.

After all, he said so.

Ahh hell, Ann Molly!!! Why did you have to go and say that?!?!? Now that's ANOTHER session at the VA!!!!!

I live to serve, Kevin. ;-)

Okay, maybe people like Steve, Insultmeplease, and Larry, should have to get castrated the old fashioned way if they get a woman knocked up and don't want to be responsible about it. By the old fashioned way I mean the method they used in the 19th century. You know the good old days.....seethinig hot steel, no local pain numbing........the good old days.

Alex,

If you really believe that...you are only kidding yourself. PP's other services only take up 1% of the money they spend.

Alex: "Abortion isn't murder, so the state isn't funding genocide."

Quite a few people in this country believe that it is.

Only damn fools vote Democrat.

Speaking of stupid Republicans...

Texas Liberal, I can't entirely agree with your point about stupid people vote Republican and then ITM and PIM chimed in and proved your point.

Correction, only a damn fools vote Republican.

So Texian Liberal,

So what do you call Indepentent voters that vote for both?

So what do you call Indepentent voters that vote for both?

Confused? Most likely misinformed or maybe just to much Fox. You pick. This ain't your father's GOP.

Actually, I would say that Independent Voters are in the most difficult position we could put a person in. Think about it Paul: You and NJNBNJ, ITM, etc. found it easy to pick your side; the same holds true for me, Fiesty, U.S Navy Vet, Bev, etc. The same can't be said for Independent Voters; they have to sort out what feels good for them. Try this simple analogy: You're at an "all you can eat buffet and everything smells good. QUESTION: What do you load up your plate with FIRST?

Not so simple, is it?

Damn, First the Tea Party SHARES a victory with Democrats on Boehner's pork project; now I'm talking about the difficult position Independent Voters are in with you, Paul-Florida.

Now, may I please get back to business at hand of NOT LIKING YOU?!?!?!?!?!?

Tex,

call me stupid then....but I take responsibility for myself...sorry if you always have to have big brother looking out for you

This is not a privacy issue. Conservatives don't care what goes on in the bedroom. They just feel that the consequences from what happens in the bedroom should not be shouldered by tax paying citizens.

There are actions and then there are the resulting consequences from those actions. So, one should take personal responsibility for one's actions and don't be a burden upon others.

Kat,

Girls can go down and Get Birth Control Pills at the local Health Department, free of charge. the boys they Sleep with could wear a Condom.. OR........... the Girls could make a Responsible Decision to not Sleep with Boys that wont wear Condoms........... If you dont OPEN your legs you can't get pregnant.. that in and of itself would stop all Unwanted Pregnancies.....

With the Exception of Rape and Incest, All other Pregnancies can be Prevented...

Kat: Federal funding for Planned Parenthood goes for contraceptive funding and sex education. Do your research.

Kat: So what, now women desperate to end unwanted pregnancies caused by an inability to access affordable contraceptives will have no choice but to shove a hanger into their uterus to try to abort the fetus themselves? I'm sorry, but the government funds a

Soooo, which is it? First you say federal funds are made to PP so they can supply contraceptives. Then you say women get pregnant because they didn't have access to affordable contraceptives.

Not all health departments offer birth control free of charge. And condoms can break, you know.

@ JoAnna If funding is removed, then women won't have access and more unintended pregnancies will occur.

@ Steve Sorry, I didn't know Health Departments might provide free contraception. I never received any sex education outside of Planned Parenthood to help me find affordable birth control. And you know, a lot of married couples go to PP as well. Not just slutty teenage girls, as you are portraying them.

Kat,

show me where i used the word Slutty. or perhaps thats just your Defintion of them......

Kat...did you skip High School.......or did you just skip Health class?

@ True American Sorry, my health class or sex ed sessions did not talk about birth control, condoms, or abstinence. Is that what you referring to?

What kind of school did you go to?

Public, in Indiana.

Then your TEACHERS were derelict in their job (no surprise there)............don't worry with Obamacare, everyone will have to buy "government approved" healthcare......so there will be no need for Planned Parenthood, right? That is, unless you would like to double-dip from the taxpayers.

or if you're concerned that pimps won't be able to get their forgein sex slaves STD treatment.

Kat

Maybe then these poor women who will have no other choice but to "shove a coat hanger in their uterus" will start acting like adults and realize that (as my dad always said) they had the 5 minutes of fun and now they have to do the 18 years of work?

But not in Obama's America by God..... absolutely not.... this is the same president that as a senator voted in favor of late term abortion and also said that he did not want hs daughters to have to "deal with" a pregnancy....\

But then again with Michelle my bell calling them fat all the time they will probably both end up getting pregnant coz their mom will have messed their heads up so bad.... so will they be the ones "shoving hangers up their uterus?"

Steve ~

With the Exception of Rape and Incest, All other Pregnancies can be Prevented...

Well, not the ones where the condoms fail, actually. Girls' legs don't cause pregnancies, Steve. Boys' ... (oh, never mind) ... cause pregnancies. If you're so worried about abortion, just keep it zipped. You have choices, too.

Only, you've already admitted that men are too weak to make responsible ones.

Really?! No argument there.

Anna,

Boys can't get Pregnant. Girls can.................. You seem to only want to take Responsiblity for your Bodies when it comes to having an Abortion. but.. Really Since it takes two to Tango. Shouldnt the Man have a say in the Abortion ?..

I already know your Answer. . NO its only the Womans Choice.............So there fore if its only the Womans Choice The Responsiblity Falls on her completely..

I guess I'm one of those fortunate ones, True. I went to public school, graduated in '93, and I can assure you, they were teaching Sex Ed, and given the fatality rate from AIDS between the mid early eighties up until my graduation, THEY COULD ILL AFFORD NOT TO!!!!

Shouldnt the Man have a say in the Abortion ?..

I'm not against personal responsibility, Steve. I've practiced it all my life. And I'm not "for" abortion. But the choice falls on women exclusively because the CONSEQUENCES fall on women exclusively in many, many cases. When men start sharing responsibility for birth control and consistently step up to the plate to support the children they've fathered, THEN we'll talk.

Liz,

The same could be said to to the 2007-2011 Congress' which had a Democratic majority.

You know Congress does not create jobs. It can only influence the economic climate of the country. It is the citizenry that create jobs whether through a small family business or a huge corporation. So look for Congressional actions that foster a pro-growth business climate. But you're right, I'm waiting for that pro-business growth legislation too.

Darn it, RR! Stop with the facts, already! Don't you know those mean nothing to the anti-choice people posting here?

(Pssst!, Hey girlie, I got a nice supply of coat hangers here. All sterilized and everything.)

Yeah, that was a sick statement but it what happens when legal abortion is not an option. Do we really want to go back to those days?

I have always felt that the best way to end abortions was to help end unwanted pregnancies--through education and birth control. So when the Republicans cut off the funds on an agency that does just that, seems to me they are voting for more abortions.

BUT---they can now check another item off their list of "campaign promises"----pass another meaningless bill that has no chance of ever becoming law. They'll get to the jobs someday!

Steeler Fan, you are trying to make sense where there is none. There is no logic to be found in the anti-choice camp. They believe things that are not true, base their beliefs on bad science and try to impose their views on everyone else while screaming about no one else should be able to impose their beliefs on them. My advice is to have fun with these people and get them all tied up in their own non-logic.

(Pssst!, Hey girlie, I got a nice supply of coat hangers here. All sterilized and everything.)

Yeah, that was a sick statement but it what happens when legal abortion is not an option. Do we really want to go back to those days?

Matthew, Houston, Texas: It not a matter of IF we really want to go back to those days; IF this passes in the Senate, THEN WE "ARE" BACK TO THOSE DAYS!!!!

you know you can donate all the money you want to PP....since you love it so much...if all liberals did, they would be fine

But keep in mind, Planned Parenthood gives people the chance to take responsibility for their own actions by making health care more accessible and more affordable. Not everyone has awesome health insurance with prescription drug coverage.

I agree but doesn't responsibility START with the action itself? Not do it first, then take action because it is cheap enough to worry about after the fact.

Plenty of people go to Planned Parenthood first. Plenty of people take action after the fact. We need to start with sex education, giving people the needed education to make responsible choices before making any choice.

Definitely agree with more sex ed. Problem is that parents are scared to do what they need to do. The schools are teaching it but if the parents don't back it up, it doesn't work.

Kayner: what are you liberal men whining about on here

Do conservative men not care about the women in their life?! That explains a lot. About conservatism in general.

I am sure they do fielden. However, based on the normal argument and votes displayed, the democraps are the ones whining on this topic. When it is a male, it is a fair assumption that it is a male democrap.

@Kayner Definitely agree. It's hard for teachers to do what they do if the parents aren't also supportive. However, all I got in sex ed was how babies are born and what my body will go through in puberty. Nothing about condoms, birth control, or how to make responsible decisions about sex.

I really appreciate your open and respectful conversation, a nice change from what is mostly going on in these comments.

fielden, that is also typical polical bullcrap as well. I like how you only posted the half of my comment that makes it seem anti man. Nice move. You should learn chess

@Kat - It is, thank you too

Kat, since when is calling people who disagree with them 'democraps' respectful? Kayner is very far from a respectful debater.

Cmon Matt, this had nothing to do with you. I also believe the republicants are full of crap too. However on this post, you are certainly the loud one that I would like to answer the question posed on this thread that if obamacare is already making everyone have it, why do you need planned parenthood if you aren't double dipping?

False choice there, Kayner. You conflate the HCR act with Planned Parenthood activities which are not covered under the HCR act. Therefore, I will not answer your question because it is unanswerable. Now go back to calling everyone names and proving yourself to be the fool you are.

fielden ~

Do conservative men not care about the women in their life?! That explains a lot. About conservatism in general.

Steve admitted it. It's not a man's problem. Who would dare ask a man to control his ... manhood ... in order to protect his woman. Not conservatives, evidently. At least, not Steve.

I'm sure if the subject was about men getting vasectomies BY FORCE, I think the Right would change their tune about interfering with a WOMANS' CHOICE in a heartbeat!!!!

Who wants some of that action? The odds are negotiable!!!

Keynar, I think it is disrespectful of you to assume that the only people who use the services Planned Parenthood offers are ones who spent "all weekend sleeping around." Plently of women in committed relationships and married women go to Planned Parenthood. PP is about providing services to women (and men) who wouldn't otherwise be able to afford those health services. I have been in a committed, monogamous for years, and have gone to Planned Parenthood for my sexual and reproductive health services. I have received birth control, cervical cancer screenings, and treatment when cancerous cells were found on my cervix. I have never been pregnant and never had an abortion. I understand that you do not want your money to fund abortions, but please understand that federal dollars cannot be spent on abortions (except in cases of rape, incest). Funding a place that provides reproductive health services is not the same as providing funding for abortions. I don't know if you have a wife or daughter, but I would hope that you would want them to have a place to go for education or low-cost health services if the need ever arose.

Oh, I would also like to state that in my high school, teachers were not allowed to teach anything other than abstinence. No birth control, no education beyond "don't do it" I went to a public school in Maryland. I was lucky that because I was diagnosed with endometriosis, I had to go to the ob/gyn starting at age 13, so I was always pretty informed. But other girls my age weren't as lucky, they never got the proper education. Some got pregnant and had babies before graduation, and only two years after we graduated, about 50% of my classmates had children. I think this could have been prevented with better education.

Also- not all STD's show symptoms, so know matter how much you may think you know the person, they may not know themselves that they have something. Is it more responsible to potentially spread whatever disease they may have or to go to Planned Parenthood to get tested? Not everyone can afford to "go to their doctor" a lot of people in this country don't have insurance to cover that. Guess what, Medicaid doesn't cover everyone, and Planned Parenthood offers a sliding fee scale for those without any coverage.

Of course you did Mary.

Because y0ou think Responsiblity is having an Abortion .. Instead of just keeping your legs closed..

I went to Planned Parenthood when I was in my twenties and they gave me gynecological services I could not have otherwise afforded, specifically, testing for exposure to DES. I am very grateful for their treatment, this is a wonderful organization, which was founded to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies and the ensuing tragedies that occur. Why deny funding to one of the good guys?

lol

Responsibility is educating people about safe sex/abstinence and where to find birth control. Maybe we need to begin here first.

Steve,

Responsibility is knowing the facts, being prepared for all eventualities, and doing what you as an individual think is right and reasonable for you. If you want to keep your legs closed fine. But its not a responsibility to "keep your legs closed," its a choice to remain abstinent. An effective choice as far as pregnancy goes, but one women don't have to CHOICE especially if they saaaaay enjoy sex with a significant other. I have a few other CHOICE words for you, but I'm going to make a choice to not get kicked off of the NV for your _________— comment. Way to take it back to the 15th century.

All but the birth control is done in schools isnt it? Birth control should be done with the parents at the doctor. What is wrong with that?

Amy, Haven't you been listening to the right wing diatribe being posted here? Organizations that help people bad. Slandering organizations that help people good.

Why try to reason with the unreasonable? They are hopeless.

Steve ~

Because y0ou think Responsiblity is having an Abortion .. Instead of just keeping your legs closed..

Sorry, Steve. Men, and men alone, control the instrumentality of pregnancy. Keeping legs open doesn't matter if men control the instrumentality. Which you obviously can't and/or won't.

I'm guessing won't. What, me worry?

Anna....

Again. You seem to only want the Responisibly of your Bodies when it comes to having an Abortion..

I guess since All men have the "instrumentatity to Rape. We should just get the Formaltites out of the Way and charge them all now. Correct?

Sigh. Where you got that conclusion from what I said is impossible to see. It takes two to create, but only women bear the CONSEQUENCES of pregnancy. That's why it's THEIR choice. You have already admitted that you feel no responsibility to use birth control. The same thing probably applies to supporting children you might "accidentally" -- I might say "recklessly" -- father. As long as that's true, then stay out of it. When it changes, call me.

You know Anna you are Truly an Ignorant Human.

no where have i ever stated that i wouldnt or dont use condoms.. I have continually Stated throughout post on this page that . The Responsiblity lies with Women. If they are Stupid enough to Get into bed with a Man that wont Use a Condom Whos fault is that. The mans? or the Womans. if she Continues on with a Sexual Act without Protecting Herself ITS not the mans Fault. Its hers........ Again You are a Liberal Human that always wants to Put Responsiblity for ones Action onto another Person. You make me sick............

The Women is the one that Can get Pregnant. It is Her Responsiblty to Make sure that man Puts a "Condom on . Or she uses Birth Control so she doesn't get Pregnant. If a man is Stupid enough to not Wear a Condom then he should bear the Responsiblity. . But Again. the End game is the woman. She is the only one that can get Pregnant. In the End its HER STUPIDITY FOR SLEEPING WITH SOMEONE THAT DIDNT PUT A CONDOM ON..

Steve, here's the bottom line. It takes 2 to have intercourse. Therefore, it is the responsibility of both participants to equally protect each other. Whether one of them has a condom or not, they are both responsible for the actions they participate in. If both are willing participants, then both have the responsibility, not just one or the other. Both also have the option of saying no. If you are a conservative, this should make sense, as it goes to the personal responsibility mantra. In any case, you'll probably want to go along with your own delusion, anyway.

Thats funny, even though I could care less about either set of bullcrap groups, why do Democraps insist that Republicants don't follow the publics interests? Yet Republicants keep getting voted into power by the people. Obviously these "sensible" people do in fact agree with the Republicant's. Ever think that maybe the Democraps are the ones that can't see the writing on the wall for what the MAJORITY of the people want?

"Republicans keep getting voted into power by the people"

And voted out again when they focus on social issues instead of the issues they used to get elected: creating jobs and reducing spending.

Ahh the typical argument. Guess what Amy, they say the same thing. The public isnt as stupid as Democraps think. They know what the republicants plan to do. They just want something done. Right or wrong doesnt seem to matter. Democraps dont do anything but talk about it while republicants make the decision. Some right, some wrong. At least its a decision. So it seems to me that this type of measure is one that possibly the majority agrees with. Isn't it all about majority, or is that only when it goes democraps way?

Strange... where were all these GOP people during the GOP/Bush bankruptcy years?.... piling it on to their corporate friends and millionaires.....

The public isnt as stupid as Democraps think.

Not true. I've read your posts, and you're exactly as stupid as I think you are.

And ruder than you need to be.

Republican governance -- arbitrary, but decisive decision-making. Makes a great bumper sticker.

Setting aside religious beliefs for a moment has anyone thought of the long term issues this will bring about? Primarily the women who will opt to use this service cannot afford an abortion and have determined they cannot or will not care for a child. So where does that leave our society? With unwanted children for our government to raise.

The people using services to screen for std's, cancer etc do so because they do not have adequate insurance or cannot afford to pay for them out of pocket.....and where does this leave us? Paying after the fact when its a problem out of control and many more to follow as far as the std's go.

I was just about to ask the same thing. Isn't this, or shouldn't it be covered under the HCR? PP should be cut off if thats the case. Otherwise this is just double-dipping on the tax payers.

Too easy, Too Trudy Doody ~ Nothing about giving people access to insurance insures that they will also have access to CARE.

@ CJS ~ Taxes, taxes, taxes. Everything is so simple in the right wing world, as long as you don't have to think further than your wallet.

Thanks Anna M. You decided it was easier to pass judgement on me, classify me, and not answer the question. You've shown your true colours and they are very typical. I need say no more.

You SHOULDN'T say any more, if it's just as stupid as what you said before. My answer to Trudy Doody answered your point, too. Or didn't you read it, being so personally affronted at having your REAL agenda on everything exposed?

Otherwise, how did taxes get into this argument in the first place? YOU brought it up. Or must I repeat it?

Sigh, I guess I must --

Otherwise this is just double-dipping on the tax payers.

It isn't double-dipping, CJS. It's the difference between insurance and access. Any village idiot knows better than that.

There. Now do you feel better?

As for true colors, my mood ring is deep blue-green. Yours?

There are some in this country who are so damn backwards and ignorant sometimes. I do not personally believe in abortion but I do believe in giving women access to affordable healthcare and education. Choice is something that is no one's business but the woman's and her family's and is between her and her doctor. I am willing to bet that those holier than thou's who would deny women any access to help or information would be the first to assit thier own daughters in the case of rape, incest or if their loved one's health was in peril. Some maybe would not but the majority would. If you don't want the poor to be a burden on society, than don't deny them access to birth control! Planned Parenthood does not do abortions but they do inform women (mostly young wormen) about pregnancy and how to stay healthy while pregnant. The red states have abortions as much as the blue states. We are talking about our young women in this country and their children.

I always love it when some Ignorant Human like you Kevin open your Mouth.

Tell what is not true about my statement. What is the Only way to prevent Unwanted Pregnancys?

For the Woman to keep her legs Closed, Unless she is Willing to Accept the Burden of her action of opening her legs since she is the only one that Can get Pregnant the Responsiblity then lies on HER and HER Alone TO NOT GET PREGNANT..

Can a woman get pregnant if she sleeps with a Man that doesn't wear a Condom. . YES

Can a Woman Get Pregnant if she sleeps with a Man that Wears a Condom.. YES. (if the condom breaks)

Can a Woman get Pregnant if she sleeps with a man and she is Not on the Birth Control Pill. YES

Can a Woman get pregnant if she sleeps with a Man when she is on the Pill. Yes. it happens..

So. Again What is the only way to prevent an Unwanted Pregnancy? Dont spread your legs.....

I bet your were not planned either buster. Get over it. Pleople do what people do unless they are devoid of any normal impulses. So they need to know about taking care o themselves for their health as well as the unborn child's health. While you keep your legs crossed if you think it works for you, the rest of the young people in the world will do, well you know...and it has been that way forever. I read in a book on statics that 70% of the population is premature??? Tell you what, we need our young to have some information available and medical care.

Nope Jennifer. I was Planned,, I was the Third of 3. I also have the Comfort of Knowig that even if i had been An Accident. that My Mother would not have Aborted me. which to me it sounds like your Mother should have done to you.

Yea and the Information that needs to be out there is that. If you spread your Legs. the Chances are you are gonna get Pregnant. and if you dont want the Responsiblity of taking care of that child.

Dont spread yoru legs............

Please review. You will see how wall street continues to flip us all the bird.

We need to contact Fox/ MSNBC/every media you can, to get this mess straighten out. PLEASE REVIEW............

www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/

www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216?page=6

Steve,

I should have said first born children in the US since statistics have been kept on marriage date and birthdate of the first born. I read it in a book called Generations several years ago. I do not wish any child aborted and I personally would try to discourage a women from having an abortion. I do know however that women will seek them for what ever reason and back room abortions kill and maim women. I would prefer that a women get good advice on contraceptives prior to getting to such a terrible place. As far as my mom having an abortion, I am the 4th child of 7 children and in today's world children would go hungry and be left alone because mothers must go to work just to survive. Why didn't you mom have more kids after you? Just wondered if she availed herself of birth control or some other method to keep from getting pregnant.

Jennifer,

My mother Wanted more. My Father thought that 3 was enough. he went down and Got Cut. .. So I guess my Father was a Bad man because this Decision had an effect on my mothers body. He made a Choice for her to not have any more kids......... What a bad man he is................ he usurped my mothers choice.............

Steve

No, he made a decision to have a good life for the ones already born in your family. That is a form of birth control and your dad obviously could afford to have the procedure done. Many young women do not have that luxury. Can you get past the end of your nose on this subject?