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Subscribe to RSSRemember when Texas Democrats fled first to Oklahoma and then later to New Mexico? What's going on in Wisconsin today seems VERY similar. Of course, the Democrats were ultimately defeated in that battle over redistricting.
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:
Madison — Law enforcement is now searching for Democratic senators boycotting a Senate vote on Gov. Scott Walker's budget-repair plan Thursday in an attempt to bring the lawmakers to the floor to allow Republicans to move forward with action on the bill.
In a press conference just off the Senate floor, Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau) said that Democrats were "not showing up for work" and that police were searching for them to bring them to the floor.
"That's not democracy. That's not what this chamber is about," Fitzgerald said of the boycott to reporters.
Sen. Tim Cullen (D-Janesville) confirmed Thursday that Democrats are boycotting the Senate action on the bill in efforts to block a quorum and keep the measure from passing. Because 20 senators of the 33-member house are needed to be present to pass a fiscal bill, the body's 19 Republicans will not be enough to pass the budget repair bill without at least one Democrat present.
"They can't pass this bill if there's not a Democrat in the chamber," Cullen said.
Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller (D-Monona) released a statement calling on Republicans to listen to unions and protesters calling for changes to the bill, which would cut benefits and almost all union bargaining rights for public employees.
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Courage. That is the hallmark of the democrats.
no joe, no bo, nj
Courage. That is the hallmark of the democrats.
Yes Dr Jo, how true it is. What can you say about the spineless tea bagger governor who send out the Army and police for lawmakers who have not committed a crime?
That answer is cowardly.
It is an act of raw courage for the Democrats to stand in the face of tyranny to block a quorum so that the workers will be heard. A Governor is sending out law enforcement can only be seen as a further act of intimidation against the lawful action of the opposing party. All right thinking people, who love liberty will see this as an act of tyranny. Good for you, Dems, you make me proud.
Only Dem politicians would think playing "hide and seek" is an appropriate action for elected officials. And only a looney lefty liberal would call such nonsense "an act of raw courage".
Morons and clowns.
Going from voting "Present", to not even voting. It is the Democrat way.
You wonder why they even want the job.
bullsh!t. that is the hallmark of Republicans!
Cowards and deadbeats.
...and what crime are they accused of committing? Not showing up for work? What?
Hopefully Homeland Security won't be used (illegally) to 'hunt them down' like the Repubs used it to find the missing Democrats in Texas!
Good for you Wisconsin Democrats!
Their job is to represent their people. By hiding and running they will not be serving the people and therefore should be fired! Of course that is what happened to many of the democrats in November of 2010.
The same thing will happen to these democrats that happened in Texas--they will lose, sooner or later. And to top it off, their heroics won't help in the next election either. The people of Wisconsin voted these people in knowing this was going to happen.
Besides I kind of like the idea that employees of the state only get a raise that is a cost of living raise, without taxpayers voting on it. At least this way the people speak, not the representatives.
The Oath of Office each public official takes in Wisconsin:
I, (official's name), having been elected or appointed to the office of (title) swear (or affirm) that I will support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the State of Wisconsin, and will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties of said office to the best of my ability. So help me God."
Doesn't look like the Democrats are holding up their end of the "discharge the duties" part of the oath. Well, unless it somehow means literally running away from your responsibilities.
Its being reported that they all got on a Bus and left the State, I would hope they stay away.. Forever
You got it JAS1...
Constitution this, Constitution that...constitution, blah, blah.....
Obviously you are not in a union job......Stop hating those that are! They are, I guess, your fellow Americans!
Was it the Magic School Bus?
The Republicans should really mess with them while they're gone and steal their office supplies.
"Courage. That is the hallmark of the democrats."
No Jo, was a Freudian slip? Yes! Democrats are courageous!
Joanna,
Was it the Magic School Bus?
Short,,,,,,,,,,, and to the point. I like it..
Good catch Amy! And Big Bear, the Dems are representing their constituents by refusing to be a part of a quorum for a vote to take rights away from workers.
JoAnna.....Magic School bus....I LOVE IT!!!
Poor Bev, your seething anger over your beloved Obama being knocked off of his pedastal is showing! Don't worry there's a new pedastal waiting for him......the COWARDLY PROGRESSIVE pedastal (which comes with it's own Jimmy Carter JR. award)
I find it absolutely hilarious that the Republicans on this board feel that the Democrats are not fulfilling their duty by "running away". Walker and his proposed budget is a disgrace to what we pride ourselves on here in Wisconsin...collective bargaining and the numerous government workers who do our state damn well. If the debate on this bill wouldn't have been so one-sided and Walker and his posse would have actually listened to more of the opposing side then the Democrats would probably have put in their vote. They're delaying the vote so we call get a fair hearing...seriously republicans..I think this is genius.
Isn't that special?The children/Democrats in the Wisconsin Senate have run away by taking the short bus out of town. That's fine, let them have their whittle tantrum and maybe they'll show up and think about doing their job at some point.
Let's hope someone brought them some juice-boxes for them.
So with all the teachers out protesting, will they make those school days up in the summer, or will Wisconsin kids just be that much dumber?
Yeah, it takes a lot of courage to run away. I'm sure Obama will be bestowing medals of valor upon them.
The hallmark of idiots.
They are not elected to be boycotting. If you are an elected official and you don't agree, vote against it. If you want to boycott, give up your little legislative job and take your butt outside in the cold with the rest of those fools.
When they pulled that crap in Texas, it cost them dearly. Protesting and boycotting is not the job of legislatures.
Someone in here called that governor a tyrant.....Get the F out of here. If that was the case he would have the power to just pass it and not even worry about what others have to say. You Liberals over-exxagerate stuff.....it is not that serious.
Personally,
They are just taking a page from the GOP according to you liberals. Being Obstructionist:)
What is so wrong with some of the things being voted on.
Can't get more than a cost of living raise without voter approval. Why shouldn't taxpayers have a vote in how much government employees make? Gosh, couldn't be what happened in Bell, California that upsets people.
Why shouldn't a Union have to vote regularly to keep its organization--maybe not every year, but even every other year. And the votes should be secret, not open like some people want, that way people are intimated by their peers who think that the union is their only livelihood.
Who pays their leaders, and what kind of salaries to they make on the backs of the worker?
Let's move to a more democratic system, let the voters decide what the pay scales are. They should do the same for federal employees.
So running away from a vote (as long as its done by Democrats) is "courageous"....
Does that mean that since Republicans in the Senate actually stayed and fought for the people by trying to block as much of the regime's bills as possible need to have busts made of them and placed in a Hall of Fam since they actually STAYED and DID THEIR JOBS!
I hope the police catch them and throw all but one in jail and then haul that one remaining Dem to the Legislature building so the Republicans can vote to end the unions' rein of terror and get to the business of balancing Wisconsin's budget.....
But.... to be "fair and balanced"..... Ill pretend Im a liberal....
"How dare the state of Wisconsin actually expect the teachers (who get 3 months off....but lets not tell anyone that) to actually pay for some of their benefits???? Isnt that what the tax payers are for? I mean they are just poor government employees who ONLY make TWICE what the private sector employees that pay their salaries make....how can they POSSIBLY get by having to pay for part of their benefits themselves???? Oh whoa is them.... whoa is me..... I need the government to give me some money now because the racist / bigoted Governor of a state I dont even live in is being mean to people that I don't even know."
How was that impersonation of a liberal?? Pretty accurate yea?
By blocking a vote against the people they are doing the work of the people. When a law is unjust civil disobedience is in order not violence. Using force on a nonviolent protest is cowardly.
True American-2366567
".....the COWARDLY PROGRESSIVE pedastal (which comes with it's own Jimmy Carter JR. award)"
TA...I'd be happy to match a couple of former (D) Presidents: Carter, Clinton against former (R) Presidents: Bush, Bush.... ANY DAY....ANY DAY
I love it when you guys throw around Carter's name....because I can't think of another President who has continued to work so tirelessly (on our** behalf) in his post-President life. Clinton...the same. THIS is what exceptionalism looks like.
** ALL people of this world
And the Bush boys....exactly what have they done to help improve our country/world since out of office????
Vermont..... they did their job while in office?????
Where in the constitution does it say that after a president leaves office that they HAVE to do anything????
Let me know when you find that....
And by the way..... the way things are.... Carter and Clinton owe us a WHOLE lot of "work" after the way they screwed this country up.
Ah NewDay, Chilled and of course Fiesty and Bev. Losing is hard, but really? You are now advocating for senators to literally run away. I know you all particularly have a hard time thinking things through, but what is the end game to that strategy? Do they just stay away forever?
What happens next week when the other states that are about to do the same thing take their votes? More running? That's what you want?
But you already know that this will end badly. Get off the tit now while you got a chance.
If the Governor wanted them back, all he would have to do is to remove the parts of the bill that strip away collective bargaining rights..... This is the equivalent of a Filibuster..... Pretty smart to use what ever power you have. In the mean time I commend the 10s of thousands of Wisconsin people in the streets protesting in the cold..... I guess they really must care. Listen you the people of your state Governor…
I suspect that most of the kids showing up don't even know why they're there - other than their 'teachers' told them to be there with some BS story.
So what's wrong with having the teachers contribute part of their pension costs, like everyone else in the 'real world' does? And what's wrong with pegging wages to the consumer price index, especially when the private sector is taking big CUTS just to keep employed? There is a provision for them to get bigger raises if the voters agree they are deserved.
These spoiled teachers are just throwing a tantrum, and are exposing the excesses of the unions, which will hurt them in the long run.
Wow. Just.....wow. I obviously don't live in Wisconsin, so maybe someone who does could tell me - is skipping a day of work there a felony, or just a misdemeanor? Is Madison that crime-free that there isn't something better the police could be doing?
I'd like to know if all those students are going to have to make up the days in the classroom because of teacher walkouts.
I wonder if the 4,700 teachers laid off in N.Y.C. would be happy to have a 50,000 a year job. I bet quite a few laid off teachers all across the country would be happy to relocate.
I think that any teacher would love to have $50K a year. Where are those teaching jobs?
Perhaps those Democratic Senators are on a field trip to Chicago. Let the GOP/TP governor and fellow Republicans stew in the mess they created for themselves.
Illinois is a sanctuary state for Democrats. No charges will ever be brought against them there.
JoAnnaSmith1
Illinois is a sanctuary state for Democrats. No charges will ever be brought against them there.
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!
JOANNA, CHICAGO IS SANCTUARY FOR DEMOCRATS, NOT iLLINOIS,
You so up on Illinois politics, but when you say crazy SH&T like this, i have learned that you are a Dumb A*s!!!!
hey everybody if Illinois was a sanctuary state for Democrats. then why the hell did Governor Quinn only win 2 counrty in the novermber election, st-louis county, and cook county. every where else he lost. the demorate lost seats in congress, and Mark Kirk is out new senator last time i checked he is a republican.
Joanna you are a Dummy!!!!!!
The Democratic Party are the lackeys of their crooked public employee unions. The Democrats are the Party of Government, the Party of the public sector.
They serve their union masters, not the people.
Bob-1887910
The Democratic Party are the lackeys of their crooked public employee unions. The Democrats are the Party of Government, the Party of the public sector.
So republicans are not a part of the government? Insane-tea!!!
They serve their union masters, not the people.
Look at the crowd, as large or larger than Glenn Beck's fake "I Have a Dream" crowd that is doing the will of people in Wisconsin. Hint: it is not the tea baggers.
Great job Governor Scott Walker. Someone had to stand up to these thieves and cowards. They don't want to participate in the balancing of state budgets? Fine, quit and go find a jobs outside of government, if you can, Obama has eliminated most private sector job growth.
Bev:
The GOP/TP are the lackey's for the Koch Brothers, Karl Rove and the US Chamber of Commerce. They serve their Sugar Daddy's well, not the people.
Did the Democrats take their ball and go home?.................
"Someone had to stand up to these thieves and cowards."
Firefighters and police are cowards? Wow, just wow.
I read on another site that state workers were willing to give up benefits to balance the budget, but what they objected to were the restrictions on bargaining. Don't mess with the cops!
It's not their ball. They bought it on credit, and now they can only barely afford to make the interest payments.
Read it again Amy. If you can't figure out who I was referring to, have a third grader explain it to you.
I didn't know they had a ball....I thought they played with a hammer and sickle
Yep, that is what the republicans use. If that does not work how about water boarding, thumb screws????
JoAnnaSmith1
Great job Governor Scott Walker. Someone had to stand up to these thieves and cowards. They don't want to participate in the balancing of state budgets? Fine, quit and go find a jobs outside of government, if you can, Obama has eliminated most private sector job growth.
Joanna what do you do for a living other than Bi*ch about democrats!!!!! No Jo is semi retired, Navy is retired, steve is a business owner and I'm a construction estimator, but what do you do to pay the bills and bloging all day does not pay. if your married I know your husband can't get a cooked meal because your bloging all day!!!
You rail against public employees, teachers, cops, and any body in a union, you love corprtations that don't pay tax, (do you know that Exon Moble make 19 billion last year and did not pay any federal tax) i know your not rich or you would not bother bloging all day, your against public TV that is a learning tool for Kids, so i know you don't have any. No one know were your from.
what up girl friend. or do you kick rock all day!!!!
No that would be your pal Dubya that did that. The "Compassionate Economy Crushing Conservative."
Navy - so nice to see you have recovered from that unfortunate incident of "cyber-bullying" you were victim to this morning. You alright now?
Also note that the Wisconsin GOP State Senate Leader is the Son of a State Trooper. So the guy basically called his dad.
I can hear it now... Daddy those mean, nasty Democrats won't play with us! Would you force them to play with us? It's not fair they aren't playing by the rules!
Okay son don't cry Daddy will make it all better. Would you like it if I cracked some of their skulls? Those nasty Liberals, don't worry son I'll fix it for you.
Hey devie how many of those nice teachers were carrying Nazi signs?
Nice, right?
Apparently a few:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/17/the-historical-illiteracy-of-wisconsin-teachers/
I'm certain the Liberals, and the national media,will be very critical of the tactics of the protesters in Wisconsin. Looking forward to seeing the national media make examples about how hateful these protesters are, you know, just like they tried (and failed) to do with the Tea Party rallies.
This is a form of "Fillabuster" by the Dems to prevent a vote on this radical bill. I wonder where they got that idea from?
Good one.
I say cheers to democratic legislators in Wisconsin for getting the blue flu and jeers to Scott Fitzgerald for calling out the cops to find the democrats. I say cheers to Wisconsin citizens for fighting back and jeers to republicans for thinking they could trample workers' rights. It might not be what the "chamber" is all about but shoving through legislation in five days just because they can isn't exactly fair to Wisconsin citizens. What's the rush, Fitzgerald, Walker? Are republican legislators and the GOP governor afraid that if they don't ram this legislation through quickly, people will realize what the goal of conservative legislators really is? Why is Gov Scott Walker afraid to sit down at the table to discuss, bargain and compromise?
GOP Governor Scott Walker entered the governor's office and found a balanced budget; sure there would be difficult times but compared to many states, his job was going to be easy. He and his GOP colleagues proceeded to slash multi-national and big business corporate tax rates creating a budget shortfall--now the goal is to take back the money they gave away from the middle class public workers. Don't kid yourself, Gov Scott Walker's intentions have nothing to do with balancing the budget and everything to do will busting the unions--that way, they can just run over the workers because they will no longer have a voice.
Jody, Iowa
Don't kid yourself, Gov Scott Walker's intentions have nothing to do with balancing the budget and everything to do will busting the unions--that way, they can just run over the workers because they will no longer have a voice.
Great post Jody
Also, Karl Rove confirmed it on Fox News. Lawerence O'donnell played a clip of the most honest and true state coming out of the Fear Factor Channel aka FOX NOISE Republican/TeaBagger Headquarter Campaign office.
Starve the beast, bankrupt the left. Corruption and incompetence will make people lose faith in democratic government and vote against their own economic interests. The RE-peat-the-lie-to-the-PUBLIC-an creed.
All that Walker has done is assured that Wisconsin will return to Democratic control during the next election. He's basically turned himself into a lame-duck right at the beginning of his term.
Dream on. In response to these greedy leftist unions, Wisconsin voters have woken up; The Badger State is now a red state; a newly elected Tea Party supported US Senator, a Republican Governor and Republican state legislature.
The thuggish and illegal union tactics won't "work" (oops said a dirty word to the public sector).
That's correct. Countdown is 10 months to the start of the Recall process. A WI Gov can be recalled after he/she stays in office for 1 year.
So it appears that 2 Wisconsin GOP State Senators have bolted from the house.
New Wavez: is that because they want to join in the flight so there is no quorum?
Maybe. There are 19 GOP State Senators. 20 State Senators are needed to form a quorum. So with 2 GOPers out, they'll need at least 3 DEMs to form a quorum.
BTW reports indicate that the Gov cooked the books to create a fake budget crisis.
Thanks for the information New Wavez: please keep writing about this.
What the GOP cheated? Say it ain't so!
The DEMONRATS----from Washington to Madison---- are showing AGAIN that their aim is the destruction of the country.
They can and should be brought up on charges of contempt of the Senate and should be impeached.
The LOONS here that support these demons support ANARCHY.
Here's a link for all of you who think the poor teachers are so above it all.
I can tell you one thing....if ANY teacher took my child out of school to attend a union protest.....they wouldn't have to worry about their collective bargaining anymore, i can assure you of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cufj2d8Co5A&feature=player_embedded
Idiots like you probably shouldn't be having kids.
There is an excellent post on page #3 of the Obama vs. Christie article by Speedy in Palmdale, FLA. It's too bad he wasn't able to post that on the first page of the posts, because I don't think any of our resident liberal cheerleaders would have been able to say another word!
True American -
I don't know if I count as "any of our resident liberal cheerleaders" or not, but I did see Speedy's post , and yours, and replied to it about a half hour ago.
I'll save you the trouble of checking, though, and re-post it here. Among other things, Speedy said :
"Unless those teachers has WRITTEN PARENTAL AUTHORIZATION to COERCE and PARADE those students, each and every teacher involved should be brought up on KIDNAPPING charges, not to mention the INDOCTRINATION of those students to a "particular set of beliefs" which borders on ABUSE of a minor."
My reply:
Speedy and True American -
I seriously doubt that teachers - in Wisconsin or anywhere else - can just whisk kids off anywhere on a whim. My parents used to have sign permission slips and in some cases even insurance waivers for me to go anywhere off the school grounds, and that was many more years ago than I care to remember, long before schools started to get as security-conscious and afraid of lawsuits as they are nowadays. Do we know for a fact that any of these kids were taken there against their will and/or without their parents' consent? If so, I'll be the first to join you in protesting that.
To which I'll just add a plea that just once we all wait until we actually know the facts before we start leaping to conclusions. Fair enough?
JoAnne ....I also replied to you on the other thread.....please see that reply, as I am almost out of time for today.
Thanks, I did - and here's mine:
True American -
Okay, yes, I watched the clip you mentioned. I noticed there was a web page name super-imposed over part of it giving credit for it to something called "The MacIver Institute" - hadn't heard of them, so I went to their site. Since they also offer stories on a "Citizens Guide to Health Care Lawsuit" and "The Cost of Climate Change policy", I was going to guess that they were somewhat conservative-leaning. But then I noticed this underneath the video - "As seen on theblaze.com". Them I have heard of, but for anyone else who hasn't, here's what their website has to say:
"The Blaze is a news, information and opinion site brought to you by Glenn Beck and a dedicated team of writers, journalists & video producers."
True American, there may well have been some students there who didn't know what they were protesting. But this particular video was a deliberate set-up and a fraud.
Isn't it hysterical that these 'hit job' videos keep cropping up on Conservative sites and they turn out to be the devil spawn offspring of Breitbart and his merry henchmen?
Yeah, they are using the word 'journalist' quite LIBERALLY over on TheBlaze.com,...ha ha
Anybody want to discuss the PARTY OF NO or THE OBSTRUCTIONISTS?..............FEISTY, BEV, JODY?
Sure; True (anti) American: The Republican Gov. is obstructing the rights of the people to peacefully assemble and address their grievances to the leadership of the state. He is engaging in tactics of a third world thug dictator by using the police and threatening to use the National Guard against the people of that state as well as the Democratic legislatures. If you support what this Gov. is doing, you support tyranny. That good enough for you?
Walker was just elected by the MAJORITY of the residents of Wisconsin.
There are 19 republican reps. and 14 democrat reps. in that state........not one Democrat showed up for today's vote.
Gov. Walker is DOING HIS JOB!!!!......what are the democrats doing? Obstructing democracy, that's what!
I think that gathering at the State House is evidence that you are WRONG, True (anti) American.
Wrong about what?
Yeah, Anti-American. A lot of stealth candidates ran and got elected. Now that they've shown their true colors, they won't be getting reelected. And people petitioning their government and having the right of free association is part of the CONSTITUTION. You may not like it and find it inconvenient, but you can't take those rights away from them and neither can Walker.
NDD - I would hold off arguing with this nit wit until his thorazine kicks in!
Just a suggestion! ;o)
Yeah, but you got to poke the rabble now and again, Feisty! Wait, on second thought you may be right. Did he really say "wrong about what"?
NDD & Feisty
True (anti) American is a woman,...Or at least it has a husband per a post the other day,...
New day.....
blah blah blah.... peaceful asembly nothing..... I hope they all call in "sick" tommorow to and the governor puts National Guard soldiers in the classrooms and fires every teacher that called in "sick" to protest.
Just like Reagan did with the Air Traffic Controllers back in the 80's. Thatll put them in their rightful place.
I love it! The American People are standing up to an out of control government and telling them that we wont take it anymore!
God Bless the Tea Party!
I noticed none of you could tell me what I'm wrong about......
Typical......blah, blah, blah, ......pick up your ball, get on the magic bus and go back to lah lah land.
and still, none of you want to comment on the links I posted........strange...
Clara, what post would that be?.....you people never cease to just make sh!t up, do you?
Then, Larry, you are for a totalitarian government. I never would have guessed it.
different....did you say stealth candidates?........what the he!! are those?
I guess you people are still ok with the teachers in Wisconsin taking children out of school to attend the protest without their parents constent too, right?
Here's the link again ...in case you missed it...lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cufj2d8Co5A&feature=player_embedded
Feisty, Bev, Newday, Clara,.......................................nothing?.........
Why is it a problem for you if high school and college students are protesting this totalitarian governor? I have four kids and I would expect them to take part in something like this. In fact, my four stopped their school from getting right wing ministers in preaching to them four times a year. I supported their action.
Anti-American, a stealth candidate is someone who runs as a moderate and then turns around and shows himself to be a right-wing ideologue. It's a term that has been in the lexicon of American political thought since McCarthyism. Sad to see you were so badly educated.
My apologies, TantiA, I am guilty of a little gender stereotyping;
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/16/6064853-first-thoughts-just-a-little-patience?commentId=20437839#c20438954
Overturning a 50 year 'tradition' of collective bargaining in a more or less unitlateral fashion is INDEED cause for Obstruction!
I am proud of the Democrats in Wisconsin. I would argue that THEY are representing their constituents in WI every bit as much as TantiA thinks the Repubs are representing THEIR voters,...
And round and round we go,...
I'm sure each and every one of you are "all for" the protest in Wisconsin turning into something like .....Egypt. (you know they were carrying signs eluding to that)
and Obstructionism is OK as long as your side is doing it..huh.
The most disgusting thing here though, is those of you DEFENDING the teachers for taking those students to the protests.....
Newday..I can't believe you are PROUD that your children helped to stiffle freedom of speech in their school.....that's real American for you......I'll bet you support the rights of other non-christian speech in your children's school, don't you?
The video must be a setup because it came from the Blaze.....right?....you people will go to any lengths to ignore, discredit, or simply deny the truth that is right in front of your faces.......you say you want a revolution.....well you know.......
Well done Democrats, I'm proud of you! Keep up the fight!
I think Americans are just getting a taste of what they asked for by voting for Republicans. "Take back our country"... they're taking it back alright, all the way back to the 1890's before workers were allowed to unionize. They might as well remove child labor laws while they're at it. I mean, if a 6 year old really wants to make some money, why should the govt tell him he can't work in a factory!
Wow, JoannaSmith1 sure is a nasty piece of work. Hon, you are right, the GOP has been talking about jobs just recently -- about how many jobs they plan to eliminate......maybe everyone can work at WalMart for $8 an hour, with no benefits.....that's the Republican way.
Hon, What would Jesus do? You and your fellow nasties tell us all what great Christians you are.....out to eliminate every safety net there is for your fellow Americans, as well as health care.....you do the Koch brothers proud my dear. Now go roll in your money and keep telling yourself your a wonderful human being.
You got her # alright Linda! *voted*
Rabid little beast she is...
Why don't you guys watch this clip......if you dare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WdcQGJF_jmY
Feisty, Rabid little beast is a little harsh.
When things don't go your way....run away....
The Democrat way of doing business..
It's called using the rules to your benefit. Of course, Republicans love to whine when the rules don't go their way. Bunch of crybabies.
Really, Larry? Or is it an act of true courage in the face of a dictator who is threatening to enforce his views on the electorate by using the National Guard as his personal army. By the way, I asked you a question that you never answered: in your much vaunted religious beliefs, is there anything there about bearing false witness? You do an awful lot of it against this President and his wife. Or do you pick and choose amongst the religious dictates like you do facts?
NDD:
Stop exaggerating. You know damn well this man is not a DICTATOR or a TYRANT. I have been deployed all over the world an I know how dictators and tyrants really "get down". You haven't in your lifetime experienced a dictatorship nor have you lived under tyranny.
This is not courage. This is acting like little punks. I guarantee their azzez will be back to vote one way or the other. I don't think the oath they swore to had anything in it about running away like b***es.
Oh new day....ye of selective memory.....
I answered you that same day..... I never once beared false witness....as you put it...
Obama did sneak death panels back into Obamacare....Michelle my bell did call her kids fat and Barack did say that having a kid isnt something his kids should have to "deal with" He also said that he wants single payer health insurance.... shall I keep on???? Coz I can.
But hey.... stick to your talking points hun.
Really Larry? You are bearing false witness again. Do you have to go to confession when you do that? So from now on, maybe you want to list a source for the insults you levy against the First Lady and President. I assume you will support the closing of Minot Air Force Base in the next budget. Got to save money, right?
Actually no...... I dont support closing ANY american military installation. The ones outside of the country are a different story. The bombers up here keep people like your buddy Chavez and all the other crazy wackos thinking again before they decide to do anything stupid towards us.
So who knew Larry? Keep Minot open, because it is in the interest of Minot. I say close it, and it should have been closed years ago.
You also say that we should just pull out of Afghanistan and I raq even though if we did that they would become hotbed for more terrorism and the bad guys would have two more places to train idiots on how to fly planes into buildings..... Just like your idol Barack Hussein Obama....the guy who thinks that we shouldnt support our only real ally in the Middle East (Israel)
So really what you say is inconsequential as is what Barack Hussien Obama does....seeing as his handpicked general had to fall on his own sword to get the Commader in Chief to do anything about Afghanistan.
B-52's= Peace.... The old fashioned way.
Dylan Ratigan, Gets To The Truth! sheds some light on just how much Wisconsin's public employees are making from their pension plan: $24,000YR
"The average Wisconsin state employee gets $24,500 a year.
That’s not a very big pension.
The state pension plan, 15% of the money going into it each year is being paid out to Wall Street to manage the money. “
That’s a really huge high percentage to pay out to Wall Street to manage the money
June, 24,500 isn't very good pension, it's a lot more than some people make a year. Two teacher's in one family would make 50,00 a year plus SS that's 100,000 a year in retirement. I'm sure most American's would be happy with that.
The party controlling the executive position, along with the majority in the congress, attempts passing a highly controversial piece of legislation opposed vehemently by the minority. That minority then attempts borderline unethical, although legal, means to stop that legislation. Those supporting it call the minority cowards and those opposing it call the majority tyrants.
I could go back a month to one of the health care threads on this site, switch the names of the liberal and conservative authors with one another, and it would be indistinguishable from this thread.
Everything the conservatives are now complaining about your side has previously done. Everything the liberals decried earlier they are now championing. A line from Ghostbusters (i think) comes to mind: "Up is down, down is up, cats and dogs are living together...mass hysteria."
You forgot fire and brimstone...
Great observations Tim. I call it comedy.
And the problem remains, the state still has a serious budget problem. The emphasis is on the wrong things, as usual with politicians and unions.
Speaking of courage, I'd like to see some from Obama. Instead he's headed west to be with the chardonnay and cheese crowd, Mark Zuckerberg and rich tech geeks. Harry Truman would never have stood for this. The battle ground states are in the Rust Belt, and the battle ground is surely there. Are we to say that Obama is missing from the front line? Calvin Coolidge is reported to have given this sage advice: if you see two problems coming at you from down the road, do nothing. One or both of them may fall to the side before they get to you. We don't need another Cal.
Tim in Minnesota - You have some of it right, but remember the republicans position on the HCR bill was supported by the majority of the people but the democrats forced it through anyway in the middle of the night. But more to the point, the republicans did show up and voted knowing they would lose, they did not run and hide and refuse to do their duty. Twice now in the past 10 years I have seen legislators from two different states run and hide in another state to keep from voting on a bill they don't like, that is what cowards do.
Got love it, STUPID ASS Republicans fell for it again, what a bunch of idiots. And yet you people call them cowards, the coward is Walker thinking he has power when he only had 52% of the vote. IDIOTS!
52 Percent. hmmm Let me think. thats more then 48 percent. .......... Yep. 52 percent is mroe then 48..
Except in liberal math..
yes, but at least 10% wish now they hadn't voted for walker. stay with it wisc. dems it's worth fighting for . this may well be the shortest lived republican controlled house in american history
Let me get this straight - The Republicans are voting on a bill that basically dissolves unions and they are sending the police (who have a union) after the Democrats who are boycotting to prevent the bill from coming to the floor? How hard will the police be searching??? :-)
American political culture which political scientists classify into 3 categories; Moralistic political culture, individualistic political culture and traditionalist political culture have enormous influence over the way Americans identify with the current existing two major political parties, Democrats and Republicans.
At present, the main difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans favor individualistic and traditionalistic political culture while Democrats are those in favor of Moralistic political culture.
Democrats, with their moralistic political culture believe that:
Republicans with their individualistic and traditionalistic political culture believe that:
Every American voter need to be educated about what each one of these distinctive political cultures mean for their well being in order for them to understand why Democrats and Republicans behave the way they do.
Interesting theory ... I get it. Democrats all good. Republicans all bad.
Perhaps you forgot that Republicans want moral authority over items that are best left as individual freedoms and Democrats never met a tax they did not like or a social program that was not "essential."
Pick your poison. I choose to stay independent because politicians are not to be trusted.
How about the recalls for the Democratic Senators who are now getting paid with taxpayer money for NOT coming to work. They need to lose their jobs just like the protesters in Madison who called in "sick" for their jobs.
Thank you Scott Walker for bringing some sense to Madison.
The Republicans are taking a page of the past with union busting 101. Wisconsin at the beginning of the year had 121 Million dollar surplus. Then Gov. Walker gives a 140 million dollar tax break to business. Now, the state is in trouble and Walker wants to balance the budget on the back of the workers.
Funny how when you cut the "income" (taxes) but not the spending suddenly you have a deficit! When will Republicans understand the math?
Also funny how businesses get the tax breaks (big income), but not the middle class and lower class (little income). Because, really, who will be spending the tax breaks? Again...math!