Obama to critics: Budget leadership requires cooperation

From NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro
After the Obama administration unveiled its budget yesterday, the common Republican response was this: Where's the presidential leadership -- on reducing the deficit, on reforming entitlement spending, and on putting the nation on a more stable fiscal course?
 
Here was President Obama's response at his news conference today: Big change can't come from the president alone.
 
"This is going to be a negotiating process," he said on efforts to rein in entitlement spending. "The key thing that the American people want to see is that all sides are compromising... Both sides are going to have to give."

That was the template, Obama argued, for the tax-cut deal that the White House and congressional Republicans reached in December, when Republicans gained a two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts for high earners, while Democrats got an extension of jobless benefits and a payroll tax cut.
 
That appears to sum up his legislative philosophy: A president should set the objectives and can settle disputes, but he can't enact legislative change -- top-down -- by himself. It was the process the Obama White House tried to avoid in the health-care battle, with the president initially deferring to Capitol Hill. But when passage of the legislation was in jeopardy, Obama had to take more ownership of it, which didn't help his poll numbers.
 
Obama also stressed that slow and steady usually wins the legislative race. "The notion that it's been shelved is incorrect," he said in response to Chuck Todd's question why Obama didn't adopt many of the president's deficit-reduction commission recommendations in his budget.
 
"You guys are pretty impatient," he added. "There is a tendency for us to assume if it didn't happen today, it isn't going to happen... I agree with much of the [commission's] framework; I disagree with some of the framework."
 
Obama continued, "This is a going to be a process in which each side, in both chambers of Congress, go back and forth until we arrive at something that has an actual chance of passage. My goal is to solve the problem, not get a good headline on the first day."
 
But the biggest marker the president laid down was this: With Republicans in control of the House and with them having 47 seats in the Senate, they need to be partners to get things down. "This is a matter of everybody ... getting in the boat at the same time so it doesn't tip over."

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Hmmm, Really dont you mean the Obama Tax Extensions. I mean afterall. it was a Democrat controlled House and Senate that Passed the Bill and Sent it to Obama to Sign. Which he did.

Oh . Yes we understand you wish to keep the focus on the Republicans. but the President is a Democrat he could have Vetoed it..

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#1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:26 PM EST

You mean Obama Tax Cut Extensions

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#1.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:52 PM EST

You are wrong in your implication...the Republicans in the Senate vowed not to allow anything to proceed in Congress until the tax issue was dealt with...and by dealt with they meant passed on their terms.

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#1.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:24 PM EST

So I guess we are left with Obama failed to stand up for you all. His veto pen, his call.

Pat, does it pain you at all to see that Obama will bend to the will of those EVVILLL conservatives?

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#1.3 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:30 PM EST

Ummm . . . yeah, he could've vetoed the bill, but that doesn't really say much for him asking for bipartisanship does it? You miss the point . . . . it was a COMPROMISE. So yes, the attention turns to the party of "No" yet again. Republicans are so busy pointing at what doesn't work and offer very little to what will work.

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#1.4 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:35 PM EST

It pains us all because it is NOT the compromise that we need to make the country work. Read the article.

    #1.5 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:39 PM EST

    What I just read was we must work together yet the very first post I see is Obama did this.And you all wonder why they both play games with the American public,It's easy they have you divided and conquered.Sure glad I'm an independent and can actually read an article and see what it says not what my party thinks it means

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    #1.6 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:48 PM EST

    Hey Obama could drop his party affiliation and instead of proposing legislation he could make the two parties in congress actually do something equal and productive. Kick their asses all over the place. A lot blame one party or the other but it just isn't the case they both have their hands in the cookie jar.

    The pendulum goes left the pendulum goes right. When the centered pivot point actually supports the weight.

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    #1.7 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:39 PM EST

    Not sure what world you are living in, but the recent Tax cut extension was put together by the rich republicans who held the unemployment bill hostage unless the extension was included. Typical Faux News parrot, keep lying until another moron believes you.

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    #1.8 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:47 PM EST

    The headline should read:

    "Presidential LEADERSHIP is required to BALANCE THE BUDGET"

    Oh, that makes too much sense and completely not comprehended by the Progressive Left.

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    #1.9 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:50 PM EST

    The lack of leadership from this White House is absolutely stunning.

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    #1.10 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:10 PM EST

    BTW...Obama kept saying he used a scalpel. If only it were true. He didn't use a scalpel. 400 grit sandpaper maybe, but nothing that could make any kind of substantial dent.

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    #1.11 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:16 PM EST

    Why do we need to get along to do the right thing. The fact is.. our country is in deep and we are seeing the president ask for compromise on a budget that is not getting us out of the hole we're in.

    The time will come when the continuous printing of the dollar is going to mean zip and a new world currency will demand high inflation and a budget that will be FORCED to balance itself. I guess that's what we want..because there is time to change our direction however we are too busy compromising on acceptable levels of deficit. We are all fools for putting any of these people at the controls and not doing a thing about it.

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    #1.12 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:28 PM EST

    Blame the President = 1?

    House of Representatives = 435

    Senators = 100

    Parties = 2

    How easy it is to blame one. Personally I blame the 2 Parties this happens to blame almost all of them. But the Reality is it is our fault for electing them more so for reelecting them.

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    #1.13 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:42 PM EST

    The truth hurts, but the only way we are ever going to see daylight on this is to raise taxes, pure and simple. That means the rich will have to pay their share. I know it's not a popular thing to do, but you can only cut so much.

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    #1.14 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:45 PM EST

    I would say yes to a temporary tax increase...AFTER the budget is 100% balanced. And the taxes increased need to be across the board..meaning the rich, middle, and poor. Sorry..this is all of our country and anyone who has the freedom to vote should address the consequences of those decisions regardless of your decision to vote or not.

    Believe me.. we can cut a lot.

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    #1.15 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:52 PM EST

    You do all realize that the President proposed a budget. It is at best a suggestion. He did not impose a budget. The responsibility of enacting a budget by way of appropriations is in the Congress. The Republican controlled Congress. Blame whoever you want but the people in control are the new majority Republican Congress.

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    #1.16 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:14 PM EST

    Cue,

    Ideologically, fairly it sounds good yet what would that do to the overall economy? If the consumer has less to consume with, than you have less demand leading to less need for supply therefore decreasing the need for employees.

    We need a system that works not party ideology. Politicians are not Economists and neither am I. Just like ceo's don't create technology super techies do.

      #1.17 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:16 PM EST

      A day late.. I would say that trying to grow our economy while ignoring the budget deficit and our national debt I like robbing Peter to pay Paul. You have to balance each individual unit for the good of the whole. Maybe we do not wipe out debt next year.. but a few years down the line with modest tax increases that don't break the individual bank. Will the economy feel the pressure... but if its not addressed now by way of spending cuts and tax increases ( and believe me.. I am not a proponent of tax increases with the exception of ridding the huge debt and interest by which we have become slaves).

      So yes..we will feel the hurt now. We'll have to back off aquiring more 'stuff'...but we will only be exponentially stronger in the long run.

        #1.18 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:59 PM EST
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        It's strange that pundits and even members of the Congress keeping expecting a President to provide the details on every issue. Why are Congress members there? Do we have a monarchy?

        I thought that GOPers claim to know how to run a business? Which CEO produces details of corporate strategy? Any examples?

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        Reply#2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:27 PM EST

        It's the GOPs sick little game they play.

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        #2.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:03 PM EST

        I agree ! Congress writes the laws, yet they seem to all have abdicated this responsibiity.

        When you force congress to write a bill ( Healthcare for example ) they stumble like kids in school - looking for guidance and examples to copy from.

        And these people get re-elected over and over again

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        #2.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:39 PM EST

        The details are in the Budget and he approved them... He knows damed well that entitlements were not addressed, and now he will take the opportunity to pour boiling oil on the GOP for criticizing his freakin' audacity at ignoring the will of the people. He is a president in name only! This isn't a leader! He is a gd sham, and let's hope this is his swan song in US government.

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        #2.3 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:52 PM EST

        Our Representatives and Senators were sent to Washington to represent us. The President was sent to lead us. Where is your leadership Mr. President?

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        #2.4 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:28 PM EST

        RN in Philly, you're absolutely right. I heard him speak today and his general attitude about entitlement reform was "Pshaw...we can talk about that some other time, a few years down the road maybe." The problem is that they've kicked that can down the road for the past 40+ years and this is just a continuation of the same. We've heard that same old talk over and over, "We'll deal with that later...we'll deal with that later...we'll deal with that later." Well guess what? It's later...now deal with it!

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        #2.7 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:08 PM EST

        Mike, Obama will not make any cuts to Medicaid or Medicare because in order for ObamaCare to remain labeled as "reducing the deficit" he needs these funds to apply directly to his ponzi scheme (AHCA). Which, if you think about it is not a cut at all, it a reallocation of funds from one fund (Medicare) to another (Medicaid). You can not make cuts to Medicaid and then turn around and add millions of people to it when ObamaCare goes into full affect. He is going to let the Republicans take the blame for making cuts to these programs. Then he can say that the Republicans sabotaged his health care reform.. He thinks we are all stupid..

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        #2.8 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:04 PM EST

        Newwave, Obama obviously believes he has a monarchy.

          #2.9 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:38 PM EST

          If we weren't stupid, we wouldn't have reelected Harry Reid and his cronies. Granted his opponent was something of a nut-ball but I'm sure she wouldn't have been actively bad for the country like old Harry is. It's the gullible public's fault. If the public wants to stop Obama and his parties spending all they had to do was elect Republicans. They didn't. We loose.

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          #2.10 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:48 PM EST

          Tony D-373561 ,Mike in USA, Ellie Mae Clampett

          You truly have no clue. You just do not get that this is a political game and neither party wanted to be the 1st to say they would cut entitlements. It was a game of chicken and Obama won. This was never a ratified budget but a starting point. To think otherwise is pure stupidity and typical of righties that will NEVER agree on anything that President Obama would say. The sky is Blue...no it's not it can't be if Obama stated it was blue. You guys are a total joke with no substance to your positions.

          Ellie May interesting hypothesis. How do you explain the CBO verifying the reduced deficit from the Health Care REform. And...remember this is NOT Obama Care it is reform based on Mitt Romney's model Maybe it should be RomneyCare. But you can't say that because he is Republican..right?

          Your posts just confirm our desperate need for better education for our society.

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          #2.11 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:39 PM EST

          No, Trankonia, yours do! How's that reform working in Massachusetts? No one really knows yet. You are the clueless one.

            #2.12 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:53 PM EST

            "It was a game of chicken and Obama won." - Trankonia

            You apparently weren't watching today. The national news channels showed Paul Ryan skewering White House budget director Jack Lew and to top it off, Obama's own lap-dog, Chuck Todd, was all over his case for completely ignoring his own deficit reduction commission. I've never seen Chuck Todd go after Obama like that. That press conference did NOT go well for him. Obama was the big loser today and will be in the future. Here's the thing, everybody knows entitlement spending needs to be addressed. By not addressing it, Obama looks like the same-old, same-old politicians that have been kicking the can down the road for the past 40 years. The American populace isn't accepting that any more. Whoever first addresses this will be viewed as the responsible stewards of our budget and economy, not to mention being the party which gets to frame the discussion. Obama blew it big-time.

            "This was never a ratified budget but a starting point. To think otherwise is pure stupidity..."- Trankonia

            Yes, and Obama's (our "leader's") starting point somehow, inexplicably, didn't address the 800-pound gorilla in the room. The gorilla that Obama's own commission stated was the most important issue to address. The budget supplied by the White House is documentation of the President's priorities and apparently addressing entitlement reform, which again his own commission stated was the most important issue to address, is not a priority of his. He stated as much today when he said he didn't think it was important to to address entitlement reform for a few more years down the road. Got to say, the press corps seemed kind of stunned.

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            #2.13 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:00 AM EST

            I'm still trying understand where all this debt rage was during Bush's term. You know, 2 wars off the books and all. You must have agreed with Cheney that deficits don't matter. His words, not mine. Then, after 8 years of crap, you want this guy to fix it in his first 2 years. Pretty cheeky.

            I'm on Social Security and had to take it early after being unemployed for two years, yet, I'm not unique. Plenty of people are hurting yet the stock market is back, so is my 401k and things are looking better.

            No one said this would be a quick turnaround and yet there's still all this whining. Go back to Clinton tax rates, things were pretty good then and the sky didn't fall.

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            #2.14 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:51 AM EST
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            Mark and Domenico:

            A much more accurate and well written post. Thank you.

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            Reply#3 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:31 PM EST

            Domenico: Thanks for the reply. In light of all you and Mark write, you guys do an excellent job.

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            #3.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:47 PM EST
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            It seems Chuck Todd is a very angry guy. None of the other journalists had the same vitriol that Chuck seems to have. I hope he can remember that he is a journalist and not a pundit. NBC news, is this really how you want your correspondents to be? Or is it more important to go for the unnecessary drama to sell soap. Tell him to chill and be more professional. Embarrassing.

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            Reply#4 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:36 PM EST

            NBC is now controlled by Comcast. I think this makes a difference with the way Chuck works if he wants to keep his job.

              #4.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:29 PM EST

              Better and much less dangerous than being a lapdog like Mad Cow, etc.

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              #4.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:27 PM EST
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              Senate Dems up in 2012 mixed on Obama budget

              By Shane D'Aprile - 02/15/11 08:00 AM ET

              http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/144097-senate-dems-up-in-2012-mixed-on-obama-budget

              Congress Budget Chiefs Not Happy

              Uh-oh, looks like President Obama is going to be working both sides of the aisle. After Republicans slammed Obama's budget plan Monday—only hours after the president proposed it—the budget chairmen in both the House and the Senate also criticized it. Democrat Kent Conrad in the Senate and Republican Paul Ryan in the Senate both criticized Obama's proposed budget because it does not address the twin problems of Social Security and Medicare—

              http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/congress-budget-chiefs-not-happy/fiscal/

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              Reply#5 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:40 PM EST

              Everyone wants SOMEONE to go first on Social Security and Medicare cuts - by the way the Healthcare bill cuts Medicare ( just FYI ). Decides to reduce benefits in these two areas is polically dead and everyone knows it. Its now just a matter of yelling at the opposition.

              What Americans have never done a good job of doing is telling government that they are ALL RESPONSIBLE to solve these issues. We have all gotten caught up in the "us vs. them" hatfield and McCoys ( Dems vs Republicans ) crap that in the end does nothing.

              Its this county's longest runnning reality show.

              I know as a person who is putting money into Social Security - I want my benefits when I reach 65, otherwise I want my money so I can invest the money going into Social Security into my 401K. If too many people feel like I do and bail out - well, Grandma's money is gone and she dies cold and hungry.

              I also know if you were to privatize Social securtity most of us would have lost it all in 2008/2009 and we would all die cold and hungry in our retirement years.

              We need some smart thinkers to solve these issues - not politicians

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              #5.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:50 PM EST

              Why do people believe the rhetoric about social security? Medicare needs fixing, definitely, but there is no immediate social security crisis. We need to fix it for the next generation but there is time to solve it reasonably. Guess the GOPTP has repeated the lie often enough that it has become truth.

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              #5.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:15 PM EST

              Yes, Social Security needs fixing but it's not an immediate need.

              The most immediate goal is getting the economy going and getting people employed. That helps everything else. Cutting spending needs to happen, but it doesn't have to happen this year.

              But if it does, there need to be no sacred cows. Both sides need to be willing to discuss everything, including military cuts and tax increases.

                #5.3 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:05 PM EST

                What makes any of you think that the results of the Bush era war and the banking fiasco, (take a look at their salaries now) can be fixed in one swell foop? We make millionnaires out of retiring Congressmen, look it up and they want to take it out of our hides? I've been around since Reagans trickle down economy tanked and we had double digit inflation and interest rates. The vast majority of us are going to be hurt by these draconian cuts but certainly not Boehner et al. Remember this is the same guy who wanted to keep the engine not even the Pentagon wanted. Another bridge to nowhere. And I have a questions for you tax and entitlement cutting experts. If we raise the age for SS to 70, where are the jobs going to come from to support the elderly. Ever try to get a job over 55. I have and am and even with an MBA and a Ph.D can't find one except as a greeter at Walmart. (part time)

                So when you come up with these gems of wisdom, you have to follow it out to see what the results are. I know that is a drastic policy but other than "So be it" we have to have solutions and it is going to take time and compromise. I say lets let the Congress lead, cut their benefits and retirment. Lead by example, and make sure the rich get to tighten their belts too. I won't vote for a single person who balances the budget on the backs of the poor and the working class. Forget the middle class, it is time to get honest, that idea went away in 1972 when Reagan came in.

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                #5.4 - Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:07 PM EST
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                Chuck is always professional and give more facts than other Media. If we had a lot more Chucks and a lot less ignorance in the Media, the American people would be better informed.

                Thanks Chuck for always getting to the facts! Because only the facts and not stuff made up for political gain, Greed will actually sustain our country.

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                Reply#6 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:45 PM EST

                I agree, Chuck is GREAT. Now, of course, we know that the bozo's at FOX Noise are a different story.

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                #6.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:07 PM EST

                Don't blow your cool Chuck. You looked very unprofessional. Leave temper tantrums to the FOX types.

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                #6.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:32 PM EST

                Jeez...Am I a FOX type because of my advanced degrees, high salary, incredible financial responsibilities (such as putting food on other familly's tables), voting Republican, and not agreeing with many of your political philosophies? Huh?

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                #6.3 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:42 PM EST

                Just greedy and simple minded.

                  #6.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:05 AM EST
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                  Reforming Entitlement Spending?

                  It's called Entitlements because they are "Paid For By The American People" Period.

                  The Real Question is what the Government Owes to Social Security & Medicare after Borrowing for years since the 1930's

                  It's our Social Security Taxes that keep this country running

                  Get the facts and you would know that the Social Security Trust Fund is Owed by government reporting more than 2 Trillion Dollars and Medicare 382 Million

                  So why does Media insist that Government to Fix it's Budgets Cut Social Security & Medicare when the American people actually pay for it, it's not a Handout?

                  When will this country and Media particularly get the FACTS

                  Cutting Social Security & Medicare are the Media Chosen Cuts, however when Government Gave almost 1 Trillion Dollars to the Rich in Tax Cuts all Media was HUM!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                  Now to Replace that money Media, MSNBC's Nora O'Donnell and Chris Matthews this a.m and CNN suggest that government now cut Benefits Paid for by the American people to Fix its Budget

                  Get to the truth

                  Government should provide specifics relative to exactly what money has been Browwed from these two Entitlements and just what is still owed

                  We challenge Media to get this right and stop going after what "Sounds Good" Sell Ratings vs. Getting to the Truth in this Country............................

                  In the meantime we won't get our hopes up

                  But everytime Media encourages the Government to Cut Social Security or make Working Folk Work Longer Years and Sick Folk get less Americans will be holding Media and the Government accountable for all the Monies working folk paid vs. what's owed to those entitlements.

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                  Reply#7 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:54 PM EST

                  Agreed !

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                  #7.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:53 PM EST

                  Great post, June FL. The problem is the media has bought into the GOP rhetoric about social security and medicare and repeats it. Every senior has a monthly deduction from their benefits for medicare, we pay into it while employed yet the GOP behaves as if it is their personal tax money being diverted to cover pensions and health care expenses. Entitlement means we are invested in it and are "entitled" to the benefits of both social security and medicare.

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                  #7.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:23 PM EST

                  Hold on June - your money is gone, and you allowed it. Both democrats and republicans spent it, but it is too late to assign blame. We just have to deal with the problem.

                  There is NO money in the trust fund-only IOU's.

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                  #7.3 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:50 PM EST

                  Reagan knew how to tax the wealthy. Bush knew how to sucker the American people into believing that more money for the wealthy was a good thing. Trickle down doesn't work! Reduce the deficit! Tax a billionaire!

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                  #7.4 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:53 PM EST

                  cyberike: Money, a fiat currency, is based on debt. It is nothing different from an IOU. If we can't borrow it, the Fed will have to "print" it.

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                  #7.5 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:03 PM EST

                  You are 100% correct both sides of the aisle have robbed it blind and we already paid for it so it should not cost us again and should be very solvent.Instead of paying us back they want to flat out steal it from us and there are so many on the right that have bought into this nonsense that it is costing us a fortune when in actuallity if the senate and congress would just take it back from the pentagon where the majority of it was spent we'd be just fine

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                  #7.6 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:20 PM EST

                  Jody,

                  Since when does the media buy into anything the GOP is trying to do? Please, get a clue!

                    #7.7 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:00 PM EST

                    You must get spending under control before any taxes. The problem here is Obama promises to cut some spending to the tune of $1.1 trillion over the next ten years. But entitlements stand to rise in the area of $13 trillion over the same period. This is like the fat guy celebrating the lose of 3 pounds with a bucket of KFC chicken. The majority of these savings come from large tax increases and a projected economic growth of 5% per year. Gee, isn't that what we were promised during the stimulus. If they are serious, let's balance the budget by 2015 then address the deficit. If we stay on Obama's path, we will be paying over 50% of the budget in interest by 2020 especially if interest rates increase. He wants $50 billion for new high speed trains. Can you say "thank you" GE. Just who is crying for high speed electric trains? Outside of the Northeast, these trains are a loser!! This budget is dead on arrival in the House.

                      #7.8 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:02 PM EST

                      As it should be!

                        #7.9 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:13 PM EST
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                        "If Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn could sign on to a deficit-reduction plan that included raising tax revenue, is it too much to ask for such bravery from Mr. Obama? And if Illinois Democratic Sen. Richard Durbin could sign on to a plan that included raising the Social Security retirement age, is it too much to ask for more from Mr. Obama than an airy set of 'principles for reform'? Sadly, the answer appears to be yes."

                        -Washington Post Editorial, Tuesday, February 15, 2011-

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                        Reply#8 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:54 PM EST

                        How many republicans signed onto Coburn's plan to increase tax revenues? And whose taxes is Coburn talking about? Why do we need to raise the retirement age for social security when it is solvent and can pay 100% benefits until 2037? We only need to increase revenues paid into it to fix it for the next generation.

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                        #8.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:28 PM EST

                        There is a simple answer to the Social security issue. Raise the wage cap, so the lower wage workers aren't funding the whole thing. It is clearly the most painless solution.

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                        #8.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:06 PM EST

                        I've worked and paid into this system for 40 years now I will retire at 64 having paid in for 49 years.you can kiss my arse if you think raising the age will solve anything.I have no intention of working until I fall over dead because the idiots we elected can't manage money any better than a college kid in a whore house

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                        #8.3 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:25 PM EST

                        I am right there with you, cooch!

                          #8.4 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:02 PM EST
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                          Steve, sure Obama could have veto'd the tax cut extensions, but, he didn't want the extensions for the working class to expire. Since the repubs insisted on super majority for e v e r y l i t t l e t h i n g, they would have voted no to the extensions unless their wealthy friends were included. So let's state all of the facts regarding this extension. The repubs don't give a flying (insert whatever word fits) about the middle and lower class since we can't give them anything.

                          And Dangerfield, of course he works both sides of the aisle, he's the President of all of us no matter what the party affiliation. He has to come up with something that can be agreed on by both sides.

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                          Reply#9 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:26 PM EST

                          Great post Jannabelle! Let's remember where "tax cuts for the wealthy" originated! Let's remember that Al Gore warned us of exactly what has come to pass! I am so sorry that the stacked Republican Supreme Court swept shrub into office despite the fact that he did not get the popular vote. We have suffered ever since. Someone will tell me to get over it. This country will get over the damage Bush caused in perhaps two or three generations with any luck!

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                          #9.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:41 PM EST

                          @Jannabelle

                          Do you really think the Dem's care about you? They do if you meet 2 qualifications; 1. you are a member of a union. Or 2. You are of the 47% who don't pay and Federal Income tax at all.

                          Just what exactly has Obama come up with that we can agree on? This joke of a budget he has proposed has no cuts in it.

                          If he really wants to show any leadership at all then present cuts to the House and then let's negotiate. Don't throw out a budget with a 1.5 trillion deficit and say compromise.

                          @Wayne

                          That's right quote Gore- the master mind of Global warming.

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                          #9.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:10 PM EST

                          Thanks, BuckWheat. I couldn't decide what to say to either, but felt they needed addressed.

                            #9.3 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:08 PM EST

                            BuckWheat, Oh, now unions are the problem? And 47% (thats your number, not mine) probably don't pay income tax because they don't make ENOUGH MONEY. Lets be realistic about where the wealth has gone in the last 20 years and it wasn't in my pocket. My wages stayed stagnant for almost 18 years while the rich saw theirs go up almost 400%. But no, you want to continue to beat up the small guy, who's barely getting by.

                            I say the tax extensions for the upper 2% shouldn't have happened but I understand why he did it, to help guys like me who'v been unemployed for two years. Not complaining, just saying.

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                            #9.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:08 AM EST
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                            Why should President Obama "Sign On" to raising the Social Security Retirement Age when he's fully aware as are Coburn and Durbin that the Governemnt has Borrowed over 2 Trillion Dollars from Social Security and 350 Million from Medicare?

                            We the American People PAY for these entitlements they are not hand outs!

                            Where the accounting since the 1930's a record of "Transparency" showing exactly how much the Government "Borrows" from these entitlements and a record showing exactly how much and when they make payments back into these systems?

                            America loves to take out it's Budget Deficits on the Backs of Working Americans

                            Where were you when they gave almost 1 Trillion dollars to the Rich and now they want Working Americans to "repay" what was given to the Rich

                            Social Security is not Broke it's the biggest Lie since who knows when and if it had been fixing it is very simple do the following'

                            2010 Working Americans Paid up to 6.2% on Earnings Up To $106,800. That amount has not changed 2008.

                            2011 Working Americans will pay 4.2% on Earnings Up To $106,800

                            Bottom line if Social Security ever gets in danger Government can simply do the following:

                            Government can “Raise” the limit on Earnings from $106,800 slightly higher

                            If Americans would just get the Truth!

                            Stop accepting what the Media wants

                            This week it's Entitlements Paid Back On The Backs of the American People who are paying and have paid for many years

                            Entitlements are not handouts!

                            When will the Media actually Earn their money

                            The Government has been borrowing from Social Security since the 1930's

                            Why on earth should working Americans repay what's been borrowed and given to basically to the Rich and Big corporation and plenty more

                            Whenever the American people begin to get the Facts instead of being lead by Media because they either don't care about the facts or too lazy but we know it's pure Ratings and greed

                            Mean while the country suffers because of this type of ignorance.

                              Reply#10 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:27 PM EST

                              June,

                              You keep saying, "entitlements aren't handouts", then why are so many who NEVER paid into these programs drawing from them?

                                #10.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:11 PM EST

                                Paul, How many people who never paid into SS getting benefits? There are some dependents of deceased folks who get benefits, but that is the way it should be. SS was to protect a family, not only an individual. Get your facts right and quit exagerating.

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                                #10.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:33 PM EST
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                                Less go after something more meaning instead of continually throwing the American working people on the altar.

                                Congressional Pensions are between $69,000 & $49,000 even after only spending a few years in office

                                Less Stop Paying for Congress Significantly Hight Pensions after 5 years of Service and you and me get 0 since the Republicans are going after our Pensions and many are simply going broke

                                Former Members Get Millions From Pensions

                                Taxpayers are likely to foot the bill for at least $26 million in pensions for former Members of Congress this year.

                                That estimate, drawn from data published by the Congressional Research Service, is based on payments to 455 former Members as of October 2009 and doesn't include potential payouts to dozens of newly retired lawmakers.

                                While lawmakers have voted to curb their annual pay raises and slash office budgets, the Congressional pension program is rarely mentioned on Capitol Hill.

                                Aside from passing a measure in 2007 to strip members of Congress convicted of certain felonies while in office,

                                neither the House nor Senate has pursued major changes to the retirement program since the mid-1990s.

                                Taxpayers are likely to foot the bill for at least $26 million in pensions for former Members of Congress this year, even as Congress embraces austerity by curbing its annual pay raises and voting to slash office budgets.

                                That estimate, drawn from data published by the Congressional Research Service, is based on payments to 455 former Members as of October 2009 and doesn’t include potential payouts to dozens of newly retired lawmakers who are eligible to draw their pensions.

                                While Members have taken aim at Congress’ internal spending habits in recent months

                                lawmakers voted against an automatic pay raise in the current fiscal year and the House voted last month to cut its office budgets by 5 percent —

                                the "Congressional Pension Program" is rarely mentioned on Capitol Hill.

                                “Along with the franking privilege, pensions represent a valuable perk to both political parties that lawmakers don’t want to touch,” National Taxpayers Union spokesman Pete Sepp said.

                                Aside from passing a measure in 2007 to strip Members convicted of certain felonies while in office of their Congressional pensions,

                                Up to 2007 we actually paid Convicted Congress Pensions.........................................!

                                neither the House nor Senate has pursued major changes to their retirement program since the mid-1990s.

                                Rep. Howard Coble, among the leaders of a 1995 effort to overhaul the pension program, acknowledged that he eventually abandoned his legislative effort, although he continues to oppose the retirement plan.

                                “It was tilting at windmills. Nothing was going to happen,” the North Carolina Republican said Tuesday. “I think it would have been perceived to be showboating, to go to the well of the House two or three times a year.”

                                Coble said he does not anticipate reviving his legislation to end the pension in the new Congress:

                                “In order for it not to be an exercise in futility, you’d have to have some reasonable chance of passage,

                                and the media at large would have to weigh in.”

                                While both freshman Reps. Bobby Schilling (R-Ill.) and Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) have publicly announced they will not participate in the pension program,

                                neither has introduced legislation proposing changes to the retirement plan for their colleagues.

                                It also remains unclear whether Schilling and Walsh will actually be able to decline the retirement benefits.

                                Congress last reformed its pension program in the mid-1980s.

                                Members elected after 1984, like other federal employees, are covered by the Federal Employees Retirement System, which comprises Social Security payments, a monthly pension based on tenure and pay history, and the Thrift Savings Plan, which is similar to private 401(k) accounts.

                                Members were able to decline to participate in the program until 2003, according to the CRS, when Congress prohibited lawmakers from opting out.

                                Coble said he believes he is the only Member to decline both the pension benefit and the TSP.

                                “Those were not my most brilliant financial decisions, I might admit,” Coble said, stating that the decision to decline a pension will prevent him from being able to continue his health care coverage when he retires.

                                “But I felt like the taxpayers are paying my salary, and I don’t know that they need to contribute to the pension.”

                                Under the FERS — which covers all federal employees — Congress, as the “employer,” and Members each contribute funds to the pension plan.

                                According to the CRS, in 2011, Members covered by the FERS will contribute 1.3 percent of their salaries to the pension program, and Congress will pay another 17.9 percent of salary costs. Members also pay another 6.2 percent of their earnings to Social Security.

                                Members may also contribute up to $16,500 in pre-tax dollars to their TSP accounts in 2011, and they may receive up to 5 percent in matching funds from their “employer.” Each Member receives 1 percent in matching contributions from Congress, regardless of whether they contribute.

                                Members elected before 1984 may participate in a different pension plan: the Civil Service Retirement System.

                                Each retirement plan requires Members to remain in Congress for five years before they are eligible to receive a benefit at retirement age.

                                Both plans allow Members to take full retirement at 62,

                                but ex-lawmakers may qualify for a full or reduced pension as young as 50 depending on their length of service.

                                As of October 2009, of the 455 former Members drawing federal pensions, 275 retired under the CSRS and

                                received an average income of $69,000,

                                while another 180 retired under both programs or the FERS alone and

                                received an average pension of $40,000, according to the CRS.

                                A Roll Call review of Members who left Congress during or after the 111th Congress found more than three dozen lawmakers who could immediately begin to draw their full pensions and more than a dozen others who could potentially draw a reduced pension at an earlier age.

                                There is no public data on actual pensions paid to individual ex-Members,

                                although payments are sometimes made visible when lawmakers are elected to state offices and are required to disclose personal financial data.

                                Former Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D), “now” the governor of Hawaii,

                                reported in January that he draws a federal pension for his service in Congress that paid $25,000 to $50,000 in 2010. Abercrombie resigned in February 2010 and was sworn into the governor’s office in December.

                                The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported in November

                                that former Rep. and now-Gov. Nathan Deal (R) of Georgia will receive a Congressional pension of $52,000

                                  Reply#11 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:35 PM EST

                                   Obama to critics: THis is what I want and I could really care less what you and the American people want. So shutup and like it.

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                                  Reply#12 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:48 PM EST

                                  Let's get to the real point. Budget leadership, Mr Obama, we have no leadership on your part so where can it go from there. Your leadership skills are a total failure. Let's compare it to protecting Pearl Harbor at the onset of WWII. Both are and were total failures. I for one wouldn't want to cooperate with an idiot, and they don't either!!!

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                                  Reply#13 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:48 PM EST

                                  This president sounds like a high school kid trying to intellectualize why he wants $50 from his parents for his Friday night date beginning with his SOTU line about taking money form rich people was about "doing something for America", not just taxation.

                                  My advise is the same to both that kid and the president; you extract a great standard of living from me, you should be ashamed to just ask for more. If I saw commitment and perseverance in the direction of that end I'd be happier. I would even be happier to help you get what you need through sharing some of my skills and tools with you to meet your objectives. I am just not interested in peeling off the bills you say you want from me.

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                                  Reply#14 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:49 PM EST

                                  The only thing Bold about Obama's budget is it was a big spending adventure, lots of tax increases, and minor tax relief so he could say he lowered taxes, but not really. Now to the numbers.

                                  This budget is $3.7 trillion and the deficit will be $1.6 trillion, nearly half of the total budget. Now consider that 9% unemployment, and 16.7% real unemployed (i.e. including those who gave up looking) that leaves 83.3% of the country generates $2.1 trillion dollars in tax revenue. That leaves $1.6 trillion to be picked up by the 16.7% unemployed, probably on those Green Jobs.

                                  Just for the record, Bush's budget never got over $2.7 trillion and $680 billion in deficit. Oh, and Obama has never passes a budget because he didn't want any restrictions on the amount of money he spent.

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                                  Reply#15 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:51 PM EST

                                  What Bush budgeted and what his deficits were are based on the same partial figures. Bush had hundreds of billion$ of dollars spent OFF BUDGET. He ran up the national DEBT in numbers that exceed the combined totals of his "deficits" because he operated "off book". Look up the increase in the NATIONAL DEBT during Bush; it is a larger number than his combined deficits.

                                    #15.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:09 PM EST

                                    He also got hundreds of billions paid back which Obama used above what he shows in the budget. The figure is $600,000.000.000.00. That's one of the biggest reasons for it being bigger than combined deficits. Next time when you research, go all the way and don't be a liberal.

                                      #15.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:05 PM EST
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                                      BUDGET LEADERSHIP REQUIRES.........LEADERSHIP. Where is Obama's entitlement reform proposal?

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                                      Reply#16 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:51 PM EST

                                      It's really painful to watch anyone speak on a topic they have no grasp of! What's really perplexing is all of the fanfare, hoopla, time, hope, resources that went into forming the bipartisan budget committee. Then to have those folks come back and offer advice/recommendations only to apparently ignore those findings-recommendations, tossing it all to the curb in this photo-circus? Are we sure that this isn't Pelosi's budget? Another one of those pass it to find out what's in it things????

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                                      Reply#17 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:01 PM EST

                                      That's because the recommendations of the committee were so bad they couldn't even get the full committee's approval. Some of their better recommendations are being included, just not the more partisan ones.

                                        #17.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:12 PM EST

                                        Why do we have a defict reduction commisssion? Isn't that what we elect our Congressman to do? Talk about waste, the presidency has more commissions on the payroll then all of history. Let's get rid of all of these commissions, that will save a trillion (sarcasm). But seriously, people talk about Bush, but d=fail to look at what this President has done.

                                        I don't want to see a balanced budget 10 years down the road, I want to see one in two years!!!!!.

                                        June, very good post, I'd like to go one further: I'd like to see the pay raise of Congress on the ballot, every November. Then maybe, they will get the idea, that they are not doing their job, when they dont get a pay increase.

                                        For those of you who say tax the rich, If I was in their tax bracket, I would be saying F*** Y. If you are not smart enough to get into my tax bracket then thats your fault.

                                          #17.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:21 PM EST
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                                          HARTFORD —If you earn a middle-class salary, drive a car, get a haircut, buy clothing, sleep in a hotel, smoke cigarettes or drink beer, your taxes would go up under a plan by Gov. Dannel P. Malloy (D).

                                          In one of the largest and most wide-ranging tax increase proposals in Connecticut history, taxes on income, alcohol, gasoline and estates would all increase under Malloy's plan.

                                          Me see's a pattern here from Democrats.

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                                          Reply#18 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:02 PM EST

                                          "Budget leadership requires cooperation... "

                                          Obama has neither leadership nor cooperation skills. I guess that means we are SOL until 2012.

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                                          Reply#19 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:02 PM EST

                                          What a hoot..............this from the people who made back door deals on the HCR bill and closed the republicans out of the entire process.

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                                          Reply#20 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:03 PM EST

                                          Right on.

                                            #20.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:42 PM EST
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                                             Taxpaying-Citizens to Obama:

                                            Pound sand! If you want to give half or more of you pay back to the USA, do it. I earned mine.

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                                            Reply#21 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:04 PM EST

                                            Obama doesn't get it, Republican leadership doesn't want cooperation. What can you do? Shame them, Oh really, vote them out "good luck on that".

                                              Reply#22 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:30 PM EST

                                              Emma,

                                              For once I agree with you. There's tons of things he doesn't get. "It's above his pay grade."

                                                #22.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:46 PM EST

                                                No Bernie, it's above his IQ!

                                                  #22.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:07 PM EST
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                                                  Nothing new here! Some old rhetoric from both sides of the aisle. It's not our fault it's the other parties fault. "We" as voting Americans can resolve the constant get nothing done"Blame the other side" issues by voting all of these unworthy politicians out of office and bring in some non-politicians that use common sense and reason instead of putting up with their constant bickering.

                                                    Reply#23 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:36 PM EST

                                                    Vote for Donald Trump; Here's something for all of you to chew on...or just get sick and PUKE!!!. Did you know that the NYSE will be bought by Germany?. Yeah, an American institution to a foreign country. I am totally disgusted with our leaders, they have an agenda and it does nothing to benefit us at all. I listen to all the news and try my best to find honest information (hard to do now a days) but I take everything and match it up with what goes on and I am truly upset with what is coming to this country of ours. There are people out there that bend the truth, think it's cool to confuse people and flat lie...but as in all things, there is truth in the rantings of certain people. But what upsets me the most is idiots that say; Oh your all full of it, nothing bad is happening, your all delusional, people that say, the sky ISN'T FALLING and your just stupid to think that. Well, I have one thing to say to you...pull your head out of your a$$ and look around you, if you want to live in denial...go ahead, your choice, but don't tell people they are wrong when the truth is slapping you in the face. Now, you want the truth?. Well, this is going to be controversial but I'm going to say it.....Glen Beck and Fox news may have a slant on the truth as some of you think, but as in anything that people feel strongly about, the truth is there, just take out the rantings and the anger Beck feels because he was right about alot of things, things that are happening now. I listen to all the oppinions and ideas and try to find the answers...but there are no answers, what is going to happen will happen and when it does...God help us.

                                                      #23.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:49 PM EST

                                                      Agree 100%.

                                                        #23.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:22 PM EST
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                                                        The best answer to any question he ever gave was "That's above my pay grade".

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                                                        Reply#24 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:44 PM EST

                                                        The headline should read:

                                                        "Presidential LEADERSHIP is required to BALANCE THE BUDGET"

                                                        Oh, that makes too much sense.

                                                          Reply#25 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:44 PM EST
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