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In remarks heavily focused on the economy, foreign policy, and American exceptionalism Friday, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney squarely challenged the competence and the authenticity of the man he’d like to replace in the White House.
The speech to the CPAC conservative conference -- the same group to whom he conceded the presidential primary race three years ago -- was primarily an assault on what he described as President Barack Obama’s fickle and hesitant strategy for solving the nation’s economic problems.
Romney received a mostly polite – but also sometimes enthusiastic – response from the thousands of conservative activists in the audience. The biggest sustained applause he received was when he delivered this criticism of the president: “It’s going to take more than new rhetoric to put Americans back to work. It’s going to take a new president.”
The former Bain & Company CEO, whose business credentials have served as the linchpin of his case for the presidency, blamed the Obama presidency for the nation’s nine percent unemployment rate.
“President Barack Obama has stood watch over the greatest job loss in modern American history. And that, my friends, is one inconvenient truth that will haunt this president throughout history,” he said.
But polls have consistently said that the public largely blames the previous Republican administration more than the current White House for the state of the economy.
Also in his speech, Romney accused Obama of fashioning a new pro-business facade without an actual understanding of how business works, even implying that the president plagiarized his pro-growth rhetoric from Romney’s CPAC speech last year.
“The president is trying to show that he finally gets it—that he really isn’t a liberal after all. But his idea of conservative economic policy is to invite some corporate CEO’s to the White House for an evening of table-talk,” he said. “I’m sorry, Mr. President, but that’s not a policy, it’s a dinner party.”
“If I decide to run for president,” he added, pausing for a boisterous moment of encouragement from the crowd, “it won’t take me two years to wake up to the job crisis threatening America. And I won’t be asking Tim Geithner how the economy works—or Larry Summers how to start a business.”
And he tied free market ideals and capitalism to the notion of American exceptionalism – an ideal that Republicans often declare to be uncomfortable and unfamiliar to the current commander-in-chief.
"We believe in freedom, in opportunity. We believe in free enterprise and capitalism. We believe in the American dream. And we believe that the principles that made America the leader of the world today are the very principles that will keep America the leader of the world tomorrow.”
Early in his remarks, Romney also took shots at the White House’s diplomatic dealings and foreign policy strategy, although he avoided specific references to the uncertainty rocking Egypt. He slammed Obama as unsteady and incoherent in his handling of the New START nuclear arms treaty with Russia, the conflict between North and South Korea, and the uprising in Iran.
"An uncertain world has been made more dangerous by the lack of clear direction from a weak president," he said, later adding that he hopes the president will someday "finally be able to construct a foreign policy, any foreign policy."
The one thing missing from Romney's speech: any mention of the "ObamaCare" health-reform law particularly despised by this CPAC audience. Romney, so far, has struggled to make a solid argument against the president's health care law, which has many similarities to the law Romney championed during his tenure as governor of Massachusetts.
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But the new president won't be Romney. Your MA healthcare is against you.
Here's another example of lying right winger. The President has lost more jobs than George bush. In fact, George Bush lost 7000 jobs a month
"But the new president won't be Romney. Your MA healthcare is against you."
Boy isn't that an oxymoron comment there............
Hi Bev:
Hope you don't mind be jumping on board.
Romney took a page out of the Conservative Handbook. "If you don't know what to say, say something stupid". Or perhaps from Alice in Wonderland. "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there.
He's trying so hard to look like a conservative, but he's...
Paul-Florida
"But the new president won't be Romney. Your MA healthcare is against you."
Boy isn't that an oxymoron comment there............
Only for right wingers intent on repeal; which means you too.
Mitt: “President Barack Obama has stood watch over the greatest job loss in modern American history. And that, my friends, is one inconvenient truth that will haunt this president throughout history,” he said.
President Bush lost 32% more jobs in one year (2008) than any president in over 60 years.
For all of you guys that constantly compare job losses. You cannot say Bush did not have jobs created during his term because that is a lie. 8 million was created but yes a lot was lost during the end of his term. You still have to average 8 million plus over 8 yrs and you still come up with 1 million a year even if he lost all 8 million in one year.
So when you average....AVERAGE..and stop looking at just 1 yr.
Our President is not a conservative. Nor does he aspire to be. He is a moderate liberal and that is exactly what I want as a President. Romney, I have much respect for you but you have been buying the talking points of the far right lately and have lost some credibility with me. If you can't be the reasonable Republican you have been all your life then step aside. Selling your soul to the devil isn't worth it Mr. Romney. Try again in 2016 as yourself, a moderate conservative.
Romney slammed the president's legislation as "an unconscionable abuse of power." Hmmmm... did he forget about a little state called Massachusetts that requires its resident to have health insurance?
If he runs it will be Romneycare vs Obamacare 2012
Also, will the Tea Party ignore Romney's history of earmarks. The Massachusetts establishment Romney went running to the federal government hat-in-hand for a huge over-budget project: the Big Dig.
In 2006 Governor MITT ROMNEY (as the Governor of Massachusetts): I'd be embarrassed if I didn't always ask for federal money whenever I get a chance. I didn't have a figure for them but they knew I'd be coming if the opportunity arises.
In 2011, Romney is against earmarks.
ITM,
Yes let us look at averages. Bush 43 created, on average, 375,000 jobs a year.
Clinton 2,900,000 per year, Reagan 2,000,000 per year.
Bush Jr. created fewer jobs on average per year than any President in over 60 years. It is truly sad considering the population growth over those years.
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth
Doesn't have to be Romney...any Republican will do nicely. Anybody is better than Obama....anybody.
Well there you have it. The crux of the matter. It's not what's going on, it's WHO! We get it already, you can't get over 2008. Don't feel bad, Edward- a lot of people havn't been able to.
"...So when you average....AVERAGE..and stop looking at just 1 yr."
Is that what Mitt said?
It's been 5 weeks since the GOP took power in the House of Representatives. Not one jobs bill has even been introduced. Yes, this is the change the Tea Baggers so wanted to believe in. They got what they deserved but unfortunately all of us have to live with.
Dennis - where you doing better in say 2005/2006 than now?
And really, just what can a president do to create jobs?
This entire argument is just plain silly. The government doens't create anything.
Bev, I think you meant that Bush was losing 700,000 jobs per month when Obama took office. But, of course, the righties blame this on Obama even though he wasn't yet in office
Edward,
your intentions are obvious. you and De Mint have something in common. your agenda is making President Obama a one term president at all costs. DeMint is willing to sacrifice the country's well being. you don't care who will be elected as president as long as it's not Obama....Really?
Dennis:
There you go again...confusing ITM with facts. ITM does not know how to look up facts, and if they don't fit his way of thinking, the facts are wrong. Really nice circular logic.
Romney is out of his depth in a thimball.
IntheMiddle, TX,
The majority of jobs "created" during the Bush years were government jobs. The growth of private sector jobs was the slowest in years.
"IT is not exactly a distinction that he had in mind, but seven years into his presidency, George W. Bush is in line to be the first president since World War II to preside over an economy in which federal government employment rose more rapidly than employment in the private sector." NY Times
"The September jobs report was just released and demonstrates that America is on a far slower path to recovery than anyone originally predicted. Despite this, the shedding of government jobs cloaks a glimmer of hope: more private sector jobs have been created this year than during the entire Bush administration. Read that again: 2010 has had more private job creation than during the entire 8 year tenure of George W. Bush.
This is the 9th straight month of private sector job growth in the midst of a devastating recession that has put a serious strain mostly on the poor and middle class. There has been a total of 863,000 private sector jobs created in 2010, exceeding the total created under the Bush/Cheney regime." This was in Sept. 2010 based on numbers complied by the Dept. Of Labor.
First you all want to see job growth, but you don't want more government jobs. Brilliant.
surprised by his lies? It's their way....the teabagger republican way and solutions to all the problems facing the nation. lie and lie again......and lala land will turn into a reality.
"Only for right wingers intent on repeal; which means you too."
Sorry Bev, wrong again, unless a "right winger" is someone that disagrees with you. I'll say it in simple terms. The GOVERNMENT can't FORCE me to buy a SERVICE. Health Care is a SERVICE. ask yourself this, why is the IRS in charge of this?
According to the Wall Street Journal, there were 3 million, not 8 million jobs created during the entire 8 years of the George W. Bush administration, which is an average of 23,958 jobs per month, or 287,500 per year. In 2010 alone, 1.1 million jobs were created, or an average of 91,667 per month.
What you fail to recognize is that the current plan which does requires everyone to buy in - WAS A CONCESSION TO THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. The initial approach was a single payer system that would provide a base level of service which you could choose to participate in or not. Unfortunately, the tea-bagging nut jobs started crying "free markets", "invisible hand", "socialism", "communism" and "death panels"...so this is where we wound up, a compromise.
And before anyone takes offense to the term "tea-bagging nut jobs"...go watch video of the town hall meetings...
Ah, facts. Well since this President has taken office our country has lost 3.3 million jobs, while even under Bush, jobs increased. Of course this was through November 2010.
A.Gramsci
What you fail to recognize is that the current plan which does requires everyone to buy in - WAS A CONCESSION TO THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY.
That's way this whole repeal thing is a farce. The insurance industry wants that money.
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@Ron Indiana
Hi Bev:
Hope you don't mind be jumping on board.
Romney took a page out of the Conservative Handbook
Not at all Ron
Romney does not know who he is anymore.
I agree with you he is like the Cheshire Cat in Alice Wonderland that fades away.
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@Spanky-
This entire argument is just plain silly. The government doens't create anything.
Again talk to that librarian or teachers, firefighters, police, the FDA, NASA etc .
Btw: They pay taxes too; Spank.
Ah....you might want to look up some Supreme Court decisions about the commerce clause and how it applies to mandates.
There are precedents that say you are wrong.
I know this because I teach a Constitution class. Look it up.
Big Bear,
“Ah, facts. Well since this President has taken office our country has lost 3.3 million jobs, while even under Bush, jobs increased. Of course this was through November 2010.”
Actually according to the BLS for his first 2 years President Obama has a net loss of 1.8 million jobs not 3.3.
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth
Have to agree with "InTheMiddle" 8 million jobs were created, Walmart, McDonalds, BurgerKing, etc. Good job George
Paul:
That's fine. We won't force you to buy health insurance, but if you have a serious illness and don't have health insurance, please don't seek care. I'm tired of paying high insurance premiums for myself and my employees, when part of that premium is to help pay for those that receive care and don't pay for it. If some of you Obamacare repeal activists would just use the brain that God gave you, for just one minute, you would see that we need to change health care, and adding more paying people to the pool would help to drive down costs for all of us, as we spread the expense over a larger number of people. Sure, all you uninsured folks think you don't need it and won't have any significant health care expense, but you will. And when you do, just stay home. I'm tired of paying for you.
I agree with Spanky. The only jobs the government can directly create are more government jobs. The Presidents are blamed for the bad economies, and take credit for the good. Neither is deserved.
If Mitt can distance himself from the fight to repeal HCR, he might stand a chance among moderates that the Republican Party has left behind in their recent mad dash to the right.
The government created the Internet, resulting in over 1 million private sector jobs.
Government workers are just as unemployed as anyone else when they lose their jobs due to spending cuts. I would rather my tax dollars go to paying a government worker to do something than paying them unemployment compensation.
Heartlight 3
Amen. Logic and common sense are beautiful things. Oh that the ones who cry get rid of government workers would listen to what you just said.
Beverly in Chicago "Here's another example of lying right winger. The President has lost more jobs than George bush. In fact, George Bush lost 7000 jobs a month"
Let's look at what the government's own Bureau of Labor Statistics actually says;
Total employment in 2000 = 131,785,000.
Total employment in 2008 = 136,790,000, for a net gain of 5,005,000 jobs under Bush.
Total employment in 2010 = 129,819,000, for a net loss of 6,791,000 jobs under Obama.
The government site to verify this is at;
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
How are things in the "Windy City", where rhetoric is a fine art. Those darn facts keep getting in the way of a nice spin, don't they?
Roy,
Please use my link above to the BLS and use that data to prove me wrong.
You cannot ! !
Let’s see the link to your data.
For you nut baggers, who want to use "revisionist History" and "fuzzy math" and who refuse to see that the fit hit the financial shan during the previous administration after years of Republican rule in which they locked Democrats out of all discusssion and decision making and who want to spout the Obama is a Socialist" lie read your former main mans own words,
"So I analyzed that and decided I didn't want to be the president during a depression greater than the Great Depression, or the beginning of a depression greater than the Great Depression." --George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Dec. 18, 2008
"One of the very difficult parts of the decision I made on the financial crisis was to use hardworking people's money to help prevent there to be a crisis." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." --Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008
quoted from "Bushisms"
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio "Roy, Let's see the link to your data."
I gave it to you, but I will repeat it here;
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
Your site does not show total employment by year, but only monthly changes. Notice my reference comes from the Bureau of Labor Statistics own web site.
But it shows it by every month for every year since 1946.
I used a calculator, cant you?
Roy,
The data from the BLS link I provided matches the report from the BLS given the first Friday of every month including to revisions to prior months.
I looked at your link and there is no explanation where it comes from or how it is used.
As for totaling the data, actually I down loaded it into a spread sheet then totaled each year – more accurate and faster than a calculator.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio
Argue with the BLS - That's where I got the numbers, and it's a lot easier to use their numbers directly than to go through all of your machinations. They report the average figures by year, which is what I used for my post, and it's nice and simple to understand. Sorry if that's too simple for you.
Roy,
Sorry but your number do not match the monthly job numbers – mine do.
But if you want to use data that does not state the source data or its purpose or use, you have that right.
TEA Party = Tax Evading Americans Party
The conservative movement will die a slow painful death after the comedic Burlesque that will be presented during their primary nominations. The country needs progressive thought and policies inorder for he economy to grow, not constrict, something they have never figured out...
Anybody can trim and cut things, the ignorant,vulgar and malicious blathering of the TEa Party which now wags the dog of the Republicans, shows none of the broader philosophies that we need to compete as a nation in the 21st Century. If the world needed to go back to Ox Carts the Republicans would be the ones to lead the way, but only then!
America needs nothing from the Government to create jobs. We just need to be motivated, skilled, inspired American. We need the government to stay away while we entrepreneurs create real innovative, interesting and productive jobs.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio "Roy, Sorry but your number do not match the monthly job numbers – mine do."
The 'source' of my information is the same as yours - The Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, and "Sorry, but your numbers don't match the government's figures".
If the BLS lists the average number of jobs by year, I'm willing to accept their plainly stated figures, even if you are not. Your monthly figures are subject to lots of possible variables, such as 'seasonal adjustments', or different starting dates than they use, so I'm not sure why you insist on using monthly figures instead of just accepting the annual figures issued by the BLS, but you are welcome to do as you wish.
not me....the unemployment is a one time thing, where as a govt is forever including health care and the pension.
RoyWilson,
You got me to dig into the BLS data to find why there are 2 data bases. Here is what I found out – it looks like both our numbers are valid but each includes or excludes pieces of data. The “Household Survey” is the one used by the media and for monthly unemployment numbers.
I am using the household survey
You are using the establishment survey (see top-left of page @ your link)
From the BLS -> Why are there two monthly measures of employment?
The household survey and establishment survey both produce sample-based estimates of employment and both have strengths and limitations. The establishment survey employment series has a smaller margin of error on the measurement of month-to-month change than the household survey because of its much larger sample size. An over-the-month employment change of about 100,000 is statistically significant in the establishment survey, while the threshold for a statistically significant change in the household survey is about 400,000. However, the household survey has a more expansive scope than the establishment survey because it includes the self-employed, unpaid family workers, agricultural workers, and private household workers, who are excluded by the establishment survey. The household survey also provides estimates of employment for demographic groups.
See: http://www.bls.gov/ces/cesfaq.htm#scope8
Whoo Boy these RepubliCONS can LIE their asses off. They get together at their little CPAC klan meetings, and keep trying to blame the failure of the economy on Pres. Obama - pretending like the economy didn't tank until Jan 20th 2009. SIMPLY UNBELIEVABLE!!
They are trying to blame this mess all on Pres. Obama - hoping that if they LIE often enough, and LIE REAL LOUD, that simply minds will ALWAYS believe them.
The RepubliCONS have a real RUDE awakening coming to them. That's the reason why they NEVER mention the miserable hit-jobs that their RepubliCON presidents (Nixon, "reagun", the Bushes, "Cheney/rumsfeld/rove", et al) did to this country to get us to the place we're in today.
No "romney dude", YOU won't be POTUS - EVER (if at first you don't succeed, try running for POTUS again, and again, and again.....) - and no matter how you nutjobs try to blame this mess on Pres. Obama (who INHERITED this UNSALVAGABLE MESS the day he was sworn into office) it won't stick with the MAJORITY of voters in this country.
Hey "superior" RepubliCONS - it's been 2 months since you won the majority.... where are ALL of the jobs you LIED and said that ONLY the RepubliCON party could create.... WHY haven't you turned the economy around and proved ALL of the LIES you told to gain the majority?!
YES.... we know EXACTLY what the RepubliCONS/GOPers/TPers/Baggers are all about. And NO you WILL NOT put this mess of Pres. Obama!!
Wait, how is this any different than auto insurance? Isn't auto insurance mandated? Or is that only at the state-level? But are there any out of the 50 states that don't have that law on the books?
The old argument is that you if you don't buy a car, you don't have to buy insurance. While true, it flies in the face of logic. You aren't born with a car. You are born with a fragile human body that requires health care many times to no fault of your own.
Proper health care will allow that body to live 3 or 4x as long as without it. Health care should NEVER be a commodity that can be bought and sold to the highest bidder on Wall street as it is now. The very wealthy may be able to hoard all of the gold and oil til civil unrest forcibly returns it the people. They must not be allowed to hoard life itself. Every other civilized nation on Earth knows this and acts accordingly.
Only in America, does the top 10% sit on their laurels and call those of us unfortunate enough to lose our homes and livelihood due to illness or catastrophe lazy bums. Only in America, has the free market and capitalism constantly driven the cost of even basic health care beyond the reach of the masses. The sky is the limit with our current system because life itself IS the most valuable thing on this planet. It is both immoral and unsustainable.
At the moment, the best plan is that everyone must pay that can pay for their own health insurance and for basic insurance for those that cannot pay. There is lots of room for improvement under this plan. Time will provide many modifications and transform into a better system to serve all. This plan will put a stop to the mad scramble to price health care for only the wealthy top 10% that can afford it.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio
Thanks for the info. I too wondered about the discrepancy, and downloaded your information onto a spreadsheet to review, thinking that perhaps it was a difference between fiscal and calendar years, and I did the calcs and it seemed a lot closer to the annual figures posted by the BLS, but it wasn't a perfect match. It makes you wonder how reliable the government 'estimates' really are.
Observer y would they admit that? wouldnt that prove that theyre full of it? I think so.. And isnt it MANDATED no matter what state u live in to register your car? i dont hear any complaints abt that..
Again, so much misinformation, so little time....
"And the Obama administration are now offering exemptions to millions of people - unions that paid for him to be elected and were vocal in claiming how "cheap" Obamacare would be - now those same unions are getting exemptions because they would not be able to afford obamacare and would drop the health insurance of MILLIONS of AMericans who were just fine before Obamacare. So now this administration has the ability to reward (and hence also punish) those that support them or stand up against them. Dangerous power. Dictatorship power."
Get real. There are no exemptions. There are waivers, but all that means is that an organization gets an additional year to comply with the law. They are not exempt; they just have an extra year. So much for "dictatorship powers."
"Obamacare has been ruled unconstitutional by federal judges and he ignores what they say and presses on. Contempt of court worthy of being impeached."
HCR was found unconstitutional by ONE federal judge, and the individual mandate ONLY was found unconstitutional by another. TWO other federal judges ruled it constitutional. Are they in "contempt of court" according to you, as well? How about the 12 judges who dismissed HCR cases? According to you, are they also in contempt?
"He slipped back in death panels at Christmas via executive order hoping it wouldn't be reported much in the liberal media - and it wasn't."
This is flat false. There was a provision that allowed physicians to have VOLUNTARY conversations with their patients WHO WISH TO about end-of-life care and bill insurance for it, just like any service they provide. Nobody is killing anybody or planning to kill anybody.
"He suppports abortion and makes Americans all pay for it even though he said it was NOT in the bill. The congressman was right "you lie.""
No, it is not in the law. If it is in the law, find the page and line number and post it here. You can't because it's not in there. So I don't think it's the president who is lying.
"He repeals DADT in spite of the vast majority of the military and the country being against the repeal."
No, you are wrong. The majority of US citizens and the military, including the chiefs of staff, support the repeal of DADT. See here: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/0217/Americans-support-don-t-ask-don-t-tell-repeal-new-poll-finds
And I don't know where you're getting this,
"Many liberals realize the mistake they made voting for him and will correct it in the next election, be it another Democrat candidate, or worst case then a republican candidate if the Democrats are that foolish to support Obama for another 4 years,"
but I'm betting you can't support this assertion with any sources.
We call it something else when it IS something else. Guess you didn't bother to read this part: There are waivers, but all that means is that an organization gets an additional year to comply with the law. They are not exempt; they just have an extra year.
Mr Non-Phantom President Romney ought to admit the fact that is nemesis, European Economies, are rallying against the "Great Plutocratic Economy" which was supposed to clamp run-away governmental spending and 'free' the private system to work at its full potential.
Well seems so simple to talk from the side lines then actually play in the game, I for one am not impressed or even respect someone that would bottom feed off of troubled companies like ROMNEY did when a bankruptcy is filed do you all think that the debt was somehow magical and NO one would lose money, I hope most here have at least a little sense the way he made his money is very questionable indeed. And let us not forget those pension funds that those employees paid into that were suddenly gone so got squat, and people wonder whats happening to our country" GREED" !!!!!!
Pithy insults may work form a captive audience of lemmings, but they mean jackshiat without an alternative plan to back it up.
So, if things are so bad Ovenmitt, what would you do better?
It's going to take a new President..... One with magic underwear.
Grand Moff Joseph
So, if things are so bad Ovenmitt, what would you do better?
In case you had not noticed, it's being done.
Jobs Lost Under Bush; Jobs Gained Under Obama - The Economy is Creating Jobs Again
from the end of 2007 through January of 2009. There were over 4.5 million jobs lost during that period, all of which occurred BEFORE President Obama took office. And the trend was getting worse, big time.
AFTER Obama took office on January 20, 2009. Immediately the number of jobs lost started to decrease (we even got a job increase in November 2009). Obviously there is more work to be done.
http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978035096
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Magic underwear???
Are you on meth??
You need to leave the trailer park every now and then and venture out.
Ovenmitt! HA! That's awesome! And yes Edward, his magic under garments that those Mormon's worthy enough are allowed to wear.
Yeah, and it's one of my own concerns about his ability to think clearly, when he believes in such things... but hey, we have had plenty of other religious presidents.
Gov Romney has written a BIG policy book entitled 'No Apology: Believe in America' that extensively outlines his vision for America. Anyone who really cares about the well-being of our country should read his book. The guy is impressive. America needs him in the White House.
Romney's just another Authoritarian Conservative pretending to be a Libertarian Conservative, like most of his Republican peers.
He can say whatever he wants. The fact is that like most of his Republican pals, his actions don't actually match up with his words.
Dennis-816242 - You're 100% correct. Anyone who can study mormonism and still believe in mormonism should immediately be disqualified from running for higher office. I can understand if you were raised in it and never asked, but an adult who converted willingly has got a crazy side that should disqualify them. I am think of Glenn Beck here. That dude 'studied' mormonism and still decided..."Yeah! That religion started by that con artist makes perfect sense!!"
It is obvious that Mitt Romney does not know what is going on, or, more importantly, who to blame. If he took just a small amount of time, or had one of his people do just a bit of research, he could have found out that the financial problems this country faces now, started in September of 2008, which was before Obama became president. Had it not been for Obama, both GM and Chrysler would have went away, along with the jobs that those companies produced. Romney seems to have either a very poor or very selective memory concerning who was in charge when this happened. In either case, we simply cannot afford to have someone in the White House who does not have a good grasp of the current situation.
September 2008.....Whew that was a looooong time before Obama was elected......man get real.
Obama didn't take money out of his pocket and prop up GM, that was taxpayer money.
Who are you to question Romney? What business have you ran successfully and made billions? This man knows waaaay more than anyone on this blog about what is really going on in the world. He has access to much more information than you or I will ever have.
Exactly InTheMiddle, Tx,
Mitt Romney has more business experience in his little finger than Obama could accumulate in 50 lifetimes as a "community organizer".
Mitt Romney looks and acts presidential. A commanding presence. Obama looks and acts like a wimp.
ITM, they said the same thing about Bush, Jr. Remember he had all of that business experience too, except it was the business of failure.
You dissenters just can't seem to decide on what the governments roll in job creation is. One day we hear "Government can't create private sector jobs, only government jobs". The next day it's "Obama hasn't done enough to convince small business to create jobs". Now today we're talking about how many jobs Bush and/or Obama have created.
Either the man is responsible for job creation or he isn't. Take a position and stick to it because, unlike those who align themselves with your ideology, the majority of Americans have a much longer memory than the previous news cycle!
Edward. the Founding Fathers did not create a business they created a nation. We are not looking for a Wall St tycoon to run the country, but a statesman. Obama fills the role nicely
IntheMiddle - 'Obama didn't take money out of his pocket and prop up GM, that was taxpayer money.' Funny how everyone wants to say this, without also stating that 'Bush didn't take money out of his pocket to prop up AIG, Citigroup, etc, that was MORE taxpayer money.' And those who do mention TARP always fail to mention that it was BUSH who passed it. Seems extremely hypocritical to only point out one half, without acknowledging that when push comes to shove, the Republicans will not stand by their own rhetoric.
For anyone to make BILLIONS...you have to rip people off, exploit third world rate differentials, or engage in super shady economic transactions....PERIOD
The last thing we need is another businessman in the White House. Business has way too much power in this country already. And government is not a business. Business looks no further than the next quarter when making decisions. Government must make long term decisions.
ITM, yes it was Sept. 2008 but the economic downturn didn't just happen overnight just like it wasn't going to be fixed overnight. Was Obama suppose to swoop in Jan. 20th, 2009, say 4 months later and wave a magic wand and fix everything? Have you seen the DOW lately? Hmm..my 401K is a lot better off now than it ever was towards the end of 2008. My employer is hiring again thanks to Obama, we have nearly our entire work force that was laid off in early 2009. My employer is spending and investing again.
I have always thought that Mr. Romney was a fairly bright guy--seemed to me that he was. So I think he knows exactly what went on with the economy and whose fault it was but has chosen instead to tell his audience the lies that it wants to hear so that he can be the nominee in 2012.
Edward..
"Romney looks and acts presiential"...
he looks exactly like he did in 2008 - when you repubs rejected him!
Rejected a guy who looked and acted presidential for what?
McCain and Palin! Just imagine where we'd be now.
ron paul 2012
We can't have ANYONE in the White House that uses LYING rhetoric, no matter what political party subscribes to it.
Therefore, no Republicans need apply and Democrats have to leave their applications and wait for approval.
"Mitt Romney looks and acts presidential. A commanding presence."
Well, if those are the main prerequisites for being president, then we ought to just elect an actor. Oh, wait.....
Edward-1075991
Mitt Romney has more business experience in his little finger than Obama could accumulate in 50 lifetimes as a "community organizer".
Mitt Romney looks and acts presidential. A commanding presence. Obama looks and acts like a wimp.
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Okay, so fair question for you Edward, or anyone else. I'm a conservative (fiscal) minded person who has no issue with Mitt Romney, even with the healthcare that was enacted in MA. He's entitled to a few mistakes, but that's beside the point. My question is, what turns his voting base off during primaries that cause him to go nowhere?
Romney wishes he was half as sharp as President Obama...
I don't see how this is newsworthy: "ROMNEY PREACHES TO THE CHOIR!" What's he supposed to say to a narrow-minded group like CPAC?
Here, here Ursula! If a lot of these so called conservatives ( what do they conserve? ) had a relative who worked for the RNC and the Chamber of Commerce like I do they would sing a different tune...oh, wait a minute, no they wouldn't, because it's only about character assassination and regaining/maintaining power. Win at all costs, that is their motto. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds...just like GW claiming that he would not add one single new government job and then creating the DHS and TSA. But, to be fair, Republican politicians are not the sole cause of our countries problems, they just care only about the huge corporate special interest groups that fill their coffers, as is sadly true with many Democrat politicians. I blame an uninformed body politic that prefers to have smoke blown up their dress, ala Reagan. Most people do not want to take the time to sort out the issues and problems that face our country, let alone make the hard choices and sacrifices necessary to move ahead. They just want over simplified rhetoric replete with sweeping generalizations demonizing the groups they themselves are not a part of.
I guess things in the United States just aren't bad enough yet for a real change in the body politic. When the unemployment gets to about 25-30 %, then we will see a socialist revolution here too, like Egypt just had. Ours will be much much worse. We have the NRA. "You can take care of the poor, or the poor will take care of you". That's a quote from me. The government can't afford to put everyone in the army to keep them happy with money and beer, and the army won't be too keen about shooting their neighbors,=problem. So, all you right wingers out there, who have replaced the cross with a dollar, good luck; your demise is already written, over and over and over again.
former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney
“President Barack Obama has stood watch over the greatest job loss in modern American history. And that, my friends, is one inconvenient truth that will haunt this president throughout history,” he said.
Mitt, the greatest job losses started during the 08 primaries!! you said your self that the Bush administration created a atmosphere of greed and over spending that has lead to mass layoffs and the numbers you mentioned then were 700k per month from october of 07. John McCain then wanted to tear your head off for Dissing the president.
Romney is such a dumb-a$$! Somebody needs to clue him in to the fact that there is video tape of his previous speeches where he admitted the economic problems the country faces were a product of the George W. Bush administration.
As noted in the previous post by Jeff-1541632 - John McCain might be very helpful in reminding Mitt of his previous statements.
Hello! Earth to Mitt......
So why don't you grace us with those links to videos instead of YOUR slanted opinion.
Do your own homework! You obviously have access to a computer and the internet.
What! Are you too lazy to look, or are you afraid of what you might find?
Tom Strange:
I'm not the one making the assumption. It is for you to prove that it was stated.
This is not high school history class. You smear someone, back it up.
In the Middle
why does anyone need to show you anything?
the simple fact of the matter - as wonderful as you repubs want to say Romney is ...
You rejected him and his agenda in 2008!
Guess the Repub mantra of "we must move forward"....doesn't apply to "stepping back to someone you have already rejected"!
But hey, you rejected McCain in 2000 - then went back to him in 2008.....how did that work out for you?
Bdune:
First of all a lot of peopel didn't even get a chance to vote for Romney in 08.
McCain was aided into the nomination by those states whom allow Dems and Independents to vote in Republican primaries. Most Republicans can't stand McCain and it showed by the lack of turnout for him. I know a lot of Republicans that just said F'it when Mccain received the nomination and accepted the fact Dems can have this one.
The religious zealots of your party might not be very receptive to a Mormon.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Hey Mitt you have a hair out of place.
In the Middle
now you blame the dems for McCain being the repub nominee?
is there ever a time when you conservative/baggers stand up and take responsibility for anything?
Mitt Romney is a devout Mormon yet he placed his dog Seamus on top of his station wagon for a vacation trip: Here's the description of the trip: The incident: dog excrement found on the roof and windows of the Romney station wagon. How it got there: Romney strapped a dog carrier — with the family dog Seamus, an Irish Setter, in it — to the roof of the family station wagon for a twelve hour drive from Boston to Ontario, which the family apparently completed, despite Seamus's rather visceral protest.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1638065,00.html#ixzz1Dho52uEj
His animal cruelty and lack of good judgement shows this Mormon is not qualified for any office period!
"But polls have consistently said that the public largely blames the previous Republican administration more than the current White House for the state of the economy."
As if any bothersome little facts, details or even simple reality matter at all to the CPAC crowd...
Hey Mitt can you free the American people of the Koch Brothers? Stop the senate/congress from taking the bribes?
Are you talking about the bribes democratic senators took during the HC debate?
It's actually going to take a new teleprompter.
Your moniker says it all! Sucks to be you.
Angry, white, and frightened out of his mnd.
Angry white CONservatives usually have heart attacks early in life. You need to repent and come to a more Christ-like way of thinking...Peace, Equality, Love.
Jacob-2884019
Angry white CONservatives usually have heart attacks early in life. You need to repent and come to a more Christ-like way of thinking...Peace, Equality, Love
Amen Glenn Beck talks about the cancer in America being Progressive; boy did he get it wrong. RepubliCons clearly exhibit all the signs; and the whole world sees RepubliCons as such haters. Today it is Muslims, previously it was immigrants and minorities. Oh I almost forgot they hate the government too.
Wow, what a venomous bunch of libtards.
Telprompter telesmanter..........what a waste of commnets. This President can complete a sentence. What I look for in a President is to have a vision. Stick with the vision. Include everybody in that vision. I want to hear logic and reason. I want to know that everything is not fixed in a moment. I want priorities. I do not what a shutdown of government. I want healthcare to be exactly what it should be; a service. I want a review of wasteful spending. I want a reduction in military spending as we already have 6 X the defense budget of the closest nation's defense budget. I believe we have a moral obligation to our seniors. I want our seniors to also understand that by protesting the benefits they receive is stupid as counterproductive for themselves. I want to address the deficit gradually. If heatlhcare were to be deemed unconstitutional, I want a public option. I do not want to continue to pay for emergency room healthcare for the 50,000,000+ who either cannot or will not pay although I know there are those who will never be able to pay (ease the numbers). I want an emphasis on education and new industries to replace old ones (check typewrite vs computer). I want to hear jobs jobs jobs and not much else. I have heard little or nothing from Mr. Mitt, Mr. Boehner, Mr. Cantor, Mr. Mitch, Mr. Huckabee, Mr. Rand (take your pick) and the gang dealing with the above. Therefore, I believe until I am convinced that the goal is not to replace the President as singleness of purpose, and address the above, I do not care who the Candidate is because its irrevelant.
All talk and no ideas, same @!$%# different day
Romney needs to stick a pickle in his mouth.
A pickle in his mouth???
Renee A., Are you on meth??
Nothing new was said, except by Trump. These people are non committal so their possible opponents won't have fuel for the fire later. There is not a GOP possible who seems possible. What a sad group. They all need to go and have a tea party.
It is amazing that so many of the people who urged patience with Bush/Cheney, demand instantaneous results from President Obama. Romney conveniently forgets that Republicans as a block did everything they could to block the economic stimulus package, rather than playing a productive role in making sure that it was as productive as possible. Also, with the situation in Egypt, many on the right who supported the disastrous war in Iraq wanted President Obama to somehow control events in Egypt. My guess is that history will show that the behind the scenes efforts of our President and his administration were quite successful in managing a potentially unmanageable situation.
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Instantaneous results from Obama?? Hasn't he been in office for over two years?? No results yet. Just moving backwards. His honeymoon and training wheels are used up. His "blame it all on Bush excuses are also used up. Soon, it will become apparent that Obama is nothing more than a teleprompter trooper whose 15 minutes of fame are long gone. He is definitely a "one and done" mistake.
I too am a bit impatient for the economy to turn around, but I also have the perspective of history, including the great depression. I believe that you do not fully acknowledge the peril that our country was in when Obama took office. As the article makes clear, the majority of Americans share my perspective. At the same time, it is the criticism of Obama’s policy on Egypt that most drew my comment on impatience.
Hey Edward! "No results yet"?
I guess you don't have a 401.k account or any investments where you can compare your net worth from January 2009 to today.
Well, I do - and there are huge (make that HUGE) results since Dumb and Dumber left office - and Barack Obama took office. You can see the same sort of data on the financial pages of your local newspaper if you like.
"No results yet." You can't be serious!
The thing about Bush's failed policies is that it's the failure that keeps on giving (not in a good way) and the current republicans want to get back to that failed policy.
it will become apparent that Obama is nothing more than a teleprompter trooper whose 15 minutes of fame are long gone. He is definitely a "one and done" mistake.
He is the president you nimrod I guess in your book Sarah Palin is still on minute 1 of her fame. Your racism is showing. Go back to your Fox news so you can come back with more lies and uninformed remarks.
Hi Tom, although I certainly agree with your perspective, and was also fortunate enough to rebalance my portfolio in a way that leaves me in good shape today, I also recognize and appreciate that not everyone has benefited from the turn around. In the same way that trickledown economics never really happens, the bailout of our financial institutions and the resulting benefits to the economy, did not help everyone. There are people out there who are really hurting, and I can understand their frustration. On the other hand, government can only accomplish so much. At some point, the private sector needs to step up hiring rather than simply making huge profits for those of us lucky enough to own stocks. It would be nice if those criticizing Obama could move beyond anger, roll up their sleeves and help.
The only "trickle down" that the working class has ever gotten from "Voodoo Economics" is a golden shower.
Tom and JT,
What does the market's performance mean to the poor Joe Sixpack with a wife and kids who is out of work for two years, and losing his home and maybe his marriage?? Think the average unemployed American is concerned with the Dow Jones industrial average?? LOL
No way, he is just worrying about getting enough food on the table and keeping his family clothed and warm. Pretty bleak future for all those families. They are down to basic survival mode, not jumping for joy over their investments. and the real kicker is...they vote too.
A burst of hiring last month added 236,000 U.S. jobs and reduced the unemployment rate to 7.7 percent from 7.9 percent in January. The robust gains suggested that the economy can strengthen further despite higher taxes and government spending cuts.
The February jobs report issued Friday provided encouraging details: The unemployment rate is at its lowest level in four years. Job growth has averaged more than 200,000 a month since November. Wages rose. And the job gains were broad-based, led by the most construction hiring in six years.
Please delete what was a dupicate post.
Is this guy for real? What is this CPAC thing anyway, a convention simply to bash the President and bask in the glow of your own base. How about saying something substantive instead of throwing snide remarks like little girls. How many times has he run for president? He has some nerve though, he changes his position on issues like the wind blows.
Nothing new here folks.
 Romney fails to realize who got the U.S. into the financial mess we are in. The Bush administration for eight years did nothing to quell the financial mess they created. They were hoping that the Wall Street downfall would happen after the 2008 election in order to blame it on Obama. Romney won't fix the problem, just another blowheart strutting his stuff. You should read what you have stated in the past and make sure your facts are correct!!
Romney is nothing but a carpetbagger. I live in Massachusetts and he was never here. He and his cronies trashed the state.
C'mon RedSparrow,
How do you trash trash?? Massachucetts is one of those armpit states that is just used to hold the country together.
Oh Cmon, Mitt! I want to hear about that "Romne... I mean "Obamacare" that was such a wonderful healthcare program for your state, until Obama used pretty much the same plan for the whole country. Now its bad, bad bad, right Mitt?
Actually yes, mandating health care is within a State's rights. Mandating health care is not within the Federal Governments rights. Thus the recent ruling stating it is unconstitutional. Each state should be able to provide plans that are approved by the residents of that state. That is what Romney did. Obama overstepped what the Federal Government can do. In the end, the Supreme Court will decide. In the meantime, Obama care is only legal in 24 states.
I saw this posted elsewhere, and thought it might help you Mark R---
In BostonGlobe--Peopleperson wrote:
There was never any Romney actual Care. There were no laws about care or costs, just a plan based on the Referendum vote of the really stupid voters of massachusetts in 2000 requiring that there be magically universal coverage by the year 2006. Romney figured out a way to cover the 6% of Massachusetts residents in those days that did not have insurance from big employers, without dumping them on Medicaid. There was no Care, no requirements on doctors or hospitals or even on people. If you don't pay for insurance, you can't take the deductible on your tax return. Just like if you don't pay rent in Massachusetts you cant take the rental deduction. The rest of the things that bother people are things that the legislature could fix right now, if only Obama Care was not looming, forcing choices for the future. Our legislature and attorney general have much more control over the actual content of insurance plans than they should or than Gov. Romney ever had. The Romney scheme was only how to get to Universal Coverage, to comply with the referendum question, back when people wanted to comply with the so called will of the people, and to do it without converting to Free government health care, the way the liberals wanted it here. What you have now is Duval Care, the cadillac plan, and he could fix it in a minute if only there were the collective good will to do so, but wait! It's fun to blame Mitt Romney for things no one here wants to fix.
12/19/2010 11:05 PM EST
In Boston Globe--bluetowel wrote: to TheSageJohnLocke. I agree with you 100%. I was a medicaid eligibility worker for 30 years. I determined eligibility for medicaid programs and calculated Medicaid Fraud overpayments. I laugh when people talk about the individual mandate in RomneyCare. The Medicaid program is filled with unfunded mandates placed on States by the Federal Government. Citizens have absolutely no say whether or not their States should cough up money for these mandates. The Feds say, "Do it, or else." Romney thought maybe people ought to be allowed to try personal responsibility for their own healthcare. He applied to the Feds for a waiver to divert some of the medicaid funds to help people get their own insurance through a free market approach.
Whether you like it or not, you are being mandated to pay for other people's healthcare, even if you are not currently mandated to pay for your own. I think Romeny tried to remedy this without forcing his ideas on the entire nation. It is not his fault congress tried to copy it.
12/20/2010 1:41 AM EST
Romneycare saved this state millions when it was instituted in 2006. It prevented illegals and the rich from showing up at our clinics claiming they couldn't afford health care, which ended up costing the taxpayers a lot more money for these individuals.
It is not Mitt's fault that the incoming governor abolished Romney's mandate of ridding the illegals in this state who use up the majority of health care cost.
It's best to keep the 98% of people who are insured today under Romneycare, than doing away with it, otherwise it would be costing the taxpayers a lot more money today without it.
Differences between MA HealthCare and ObamaCare (Boston Globe 3/30/2010)
-Mitt's plan didn't stomp on Medicare and Medicare Advantage like Obama's plan does.
-It didn't fatten federal government largess at the expense of the states.
-It doesn't try to do everything at once, in a closed doors fashion without bipartisan support.
-Unlike Obamacare, it's supporters didn't try to demonize disagreement, and pull the race card every 5 minutes as a means to justify its existence.
-It didn't add to the national debt.
-Romney's plan didn't try to twist the Constitution, and provide cover for a large 'income distribution' initiative.
-It allowed exemptions for some industries (particularly tourism & entertainment) to hire part-time or short-term workers.
-It didn't pay for erectile dysfunction drugs for pedophiles and sex offenders.
-It didn't tax the bejeesus out of medical devices companies.
It couldn't have been modified/tailored over the last 4 years if Gov. Patrick, Treasurer Cahill, or the Dem. State legislature had either the brains, or the political will.
Newt Gingrich (11/15/2010 on CBN’s The Brody File Show): "Governor Romney's made very clear that he favors absolute repeal of Obamacare and that he believes it's not accurate and not fair to try and compare the two and I think you have to start with that and I also think in all fairness to Governor Romney that he vetoed many provisions that the liberal Democrats in the Massachusetts state legislature added to the bill and they overrode his veto so I think if you're going to go back and look at the original Romney bill you'd have a much better bill and a much more practical bill than what the liberal Democrats did to the legislation because they literally overrode his veto on a whole series of items."
Not only these commentors, but Romney himself has explained the differences in the past, but why would anyone be willing to listen to the truth? They'd much prefer to blame than understand the circumstances and environment surrounding the decisions!
Romney running off with the mouth of Right Wing talking points wow that's leadership for ya!
More Romnay digs in to lies, more he loosing my respect.
Jobs lost in 2008: 1.2 million
Payrolls shrink by 240,000 in October, 10th straight month of cuts. Unemployment soars to 6.5%Â Â
And its only 2008. History rewriting and lies, will not bring Presidency to you guys. People are not that stupid and we are remember more then you want us to remember Romnay and others.
Emma,
Actually there were 3,623,000 jobs lost in 2008.
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth
No Emma, unfortuantely too many people are that stupid.
Emma,
With the intelligence level displayed in your reply, grammar, spelling, fragmented thoughts (can't call them sentences) it's amazing you can even log onto a computer. Go back to third grade and re-take English because 'we are remember' grammar, but you don't. How can anyone have an intelligent discussion with a moron?
You don't seem like much yourself to criticize, obviously you didn't catch on to the Romnay Nay meaning no. Oh no it's the grammar police if you can understand it it is good enough. You take your punctuation and shove it up your ass.
It might take a new President but it won't be you!
Jobs!?!? That issue is over and done with. The Republicans and their conservative base campaigned on job creation and were elected to that purpose back in November. I'll give them six more months to turn things around and get unemployment down to 5% level or they will have failed to deliver on their campaign promise and the same standard they hold Obama to. They've laid claim to the unemployment mess and it's a prime opportunity for them to establish crediability again with the American people.
"We believe in free enterprise and capitalism," then why did the Republicans bail out Wall Street and the banks? In '08 they delivered privatized profit and socialized losses. Boehner (9-29-08): "None of us came here to have to vote for this mud sandwich. I didn't come here to vote for bills like this. So I ask all of you, both sides of the aisle, what's in the best interest of our country? Not what's in the best insterest of our party! Not what's in the best interest of our own re-election. What's in the best interest of the country! Vote yes!"
What about their promise to cut $100B that's now somewhere in the the $35B range? These guys will say and do anything to get elected. The unbelievable part is that people actually vote these guys in over and over again regardless of how little they deliver or how bad they screw up or regardless of the blantant lies they tell!
And amazingly with their $100b promise, Libertarian/Tea-bag philosophy and protectionist rhetoric, they still fail to even mention farm subsidies or defense....I'll even give them a pass on tax increases since that is like speaking Esperanto to them.
“It’s going to take more than new rhetoric to put Americans back to work. It’s going to take a new president.”
That is hilarious. What he said is EXACTLY RHETORIC.
Romney cannot compete with the best of the slander mob that is composed of many of the GOP "hopefuls". He tries to spew venom but it comes across as unconvincing. Whereas Palin and Bachmannn and that ilk use all sorts of facial and hand gestures. They review old Riefenstahl films to get the movements down right. Hang over the pdium, point at the crowd, sneer! Show your true detestment of your foe. Slander them freely.
Still tainted from seeing Sarah in person a few years back. To her fans she may as well have been Joan of Arc returning from the fight. Flawless and full of p-ss and vinegar! But Sarah is but a verbal warrior, a complainer, and a victim when given a response. Even a quitter when things don't go her way. But that is reality and we know that goes out the window when Republicans and Tea Partiers are involved. Romney might be the logical GOP nominee but that means little.
Look into how this guy built his fortune. Look it up yourself, If I say it here I will be called names. He'll bury the middle class to 16 feet instead of 6.
ALL YOU DISPICABLE REPUGNICANS. YOU STARTED THE FIRE AND PROFITED ON THE FIRE.
PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS BEEN TRYING TO PUT IT OUT AND TREATS YOU WITH GRACE AS YOU DEMEAN HIM DAILY AND EVEN IN HIS OWN HOUSE( Yes, it is HIS HOUSE now).
The lies continue to astound me.
Yes we did and laugh while you libs burn...
Grace. Would that be when he called me an enemy, or told his supports to bring a gun? I realize we have become much less civilized in our speech but a sitting president to call american voters enemies and work up a crowd with "if they bring a knife, we bring a gun". That is far from "grace", wouldn't you say?
" Would that be when he called me an enemy, or told his supports to bring a gun?"
I get really tired of correcting all this misinformation. It's obvious that you have read the right-wing talking points on both of these supposed quotes, but not the actual quote. If you had you would know that he NEVER called anyone an enemy and was quoting a line from a movie in the second instance.
DRDR
Iheard it with my own ears, saw it with my own eyes. Unless he has double standing on a platform at a rally to get latinos to vote for the democrat because their enemies will be voting too. Your ignorance of a fact does not void it as a fact.
If a republican had quoted that particular line, especially while president, he would be castigated so don't give me this double standard bull crap.
Maryann- So you were listening to the radio interview with Univision and "saw" Obama on a platform? And somehow I'm ignorant? Hmmm..... Here's the whole quote:
Emphasis mine. From here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/10/transcript-of-president-barack-obama-with-univision.html
And you were at the fund-raiser in Philly when he quoted "The Untouchables"? Really? Did you have the chicken or the fish?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/obama-we-bring-a-gun/
If you are getting the impression that I doubt you saw or heard anything other than edited and selected clips that your right-wing faves have chosen, you're right.
DRDR
It wasn't a radio interview it was a rally. I don't expect you to follow every rally the pres does but to insinuate it didn't happen because you don't know about it is foolish.
I didn't say anything about hearing the quote just hearing of it and it is not in dispute. If Bush had made that quote and then Tucson happened, the MSM would have a continuous loop of it playing over the photos of the dead. If they can spend days trying to link a former gov. to the shooter because of a stupid map with targets on it, we all know (those of us who are willing to be honest) Chris Matthews would be a dog with a bone with Bush saying "we bring a gun". All the nightly "news" would lead with it for days.
Maryann-
It was a radio interview. Go to the link and you can read the transcript. You are being untruthful if you say that you "saw" it or it was a "rally" because you didn't and it wasn't.
First you say, "Iheard it with my own ears, saw it with my own eyes" and then you say, "I didn't say anything about hearing the quote just hearing of it" so which is it?
And "(those of us who are willing to be honest)" doesn't sound like it would include you, at least based on your previous comments.