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Subscribe to RSSAs CPAC gets under way, bloggers so far on both sides of the aisle give their take on the rift between some conservative politicians and groups who have boycotted the conference because of the presence of GOProud, a gay conservative organization.
John Cole at liberal blog Balloon Juice:
It’s kind of wild to think about it, but CPAC, which was made up of wingnuts so crazed they cheered Beck and Limbaugh as speakers the past two years, is no longer the nuttiest group of the GOP. There are even more extreme folks who don’t think CPAC is quite bigoted enough and has been too nice to the gays.
And Jim DeMint, tea party extraordinaire, is the leader of thew new wing.
And conservative blogger Erick Erickson at RedState said that he is breaking his silence on the divide because GOProud co-founder and board chairman Christopher Barron criticized the conservative think tank Heritage Foundation, which dropped out of the confab because of GOProud’s participation.
In an interview with Metro Weekly, Barron said of Heritage:
”They’ve chosen to – and it’s a mystery to me why – but they’ve chosen to align themselves with the losers.”
Erickson:
I have done my best to stay out of this business, keep my mouth shut, and appreciate my friends on both sides of the CPAC divide. Had I not seen this particular attack by GOProud against long time solid conservatives I’d continue keeping my mouth shut. But this is too much. And my guess is that there aren’t many if any willing to call foul, so I will do it.
As someone who spent time trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, I accept this as conclusive proof that, while it is a Republican organization, GOProud is not a conservative organization.
Those groups and people who have sat out CPAC this year have done so not because they hate the gays, as Grover Norquist and GOProud would have you believe, but because GOProud is not a conservative organization and its agenda is not a conservative agenda.
For that, they are called losers and nasty bigots.
These losers and nasty bigots have done a lot more for the conservative movement than GOProud. And I am very happy to call them my friends.
This week, I’d much rather be with them than be at CPAC.
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Yawn
Is it just me, or does 'Gay Republican' strike anyone else, as kinda like 'Jews for Jesus'?
Why are you yawning? This is a serious story about the fracturing of your party. Please explain.
Jonbo your post is really funny.....sad but funny.
Steve is one of those avid Tea Party haters. He's against the Dems and any Republican that is will to work with them for the common good.
Watch out with your mouth wide open like that at CPAC, someone may come along and drop a teabag in it,...
Just some friendly advice there , Steve-OH.
Finally one of you libbies got it right. Way to go Clara KCMO.
Proper teabagging requires the person being teabagged to have their mouth wide open. It's just good form, right Bev.? Right Fiesty?
I mean after all no one uses teabagging as an active verb, as much as you two old gals. I have to assume that teabagging is al lthe rage in the retirement home you two are in.
Hey.
My only intent was to be first on the board. To beat the Nasty Redhead from posting one of her Oneliners.. Posting it then to come back and Edit that post.
And anyway. I just Finished a Cup of Tea. Think i will go and Get another. Decaf of course..
And please. Keep Believing that our party is Being Fractured. its the Daily line with the Libbies here on PMSNBC. the only people that NEED to believe that are the Libbies here on PMSNBC. we understand that we in the republican party dont agree on everything. we dont need to vote in lock step with each other.
The real bad part is that 122 Democrats Voted against a Bill that Obama wanted. thats Real Fracturing...
Steve, I don't actually belive the GOP is subtantially fracturing. I was just trying to get a response out of you becuase I seriously didn't understand the yawn comment. Now I do, thanks. Although I do enjoy seeing your big tent shrink... even if its just a little.
So. then Charles,,
come the 2012 Elections when the Democrats lose even more Seats. In both the House and the Senate. and Possibly the White House, will you still be trying to Convince everyone that the Republican house is Shrinking> I mean Really,,
Just yesterday there was an Article here on FR about the Democrats Losing the "Senate. the HOST here at FR do believe its gonna happen. thats why they were Talking about it. They understand that the Hatefulness of the LIBERAL/progressives not only here at PMSNBC but in the rest of the country is what is driving the Electorate. They may not admit it here on the boards. but they see the Writing on the walll
Every circus needs some clowns...
And from the 'all star' lineup it looks as if they have more than enough to go around!
What a 'stellar' group of hateful nasty bigots!
Step right up folks.. *queue circus music*
And FR has you and your Circus Friends nasty Redhead
I bet it pisses you off when you throw your one line up there and post it really fast hoping to be the First one on the board. but then only to find out your not..
and as you usual you start off accusing people of being Nasty when it Reality its you and your Hateful Group here.
I understand that you see it all Slipping away.
Feisty: Really, if that is all they've got? The "teabaggers" must be having nightmares.
.....And FR has you Fiesty and your merry little band of clowns.....
Look at that NDD - not one creative thought from these morons... lmao!
It is quite an interesting tactic to cast and generalize whole groups as morons and hateful bigots.
I will give you a little quote that happens to be in the bible, but I am sure you will just jump to the conclusion that I am some hateful, racist, conservative.
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
Feisty: There never is a creative thought with that bunch. They are the walking definition of the word "cliche".
MBeaty, the whole purpose of commenting on these blog entries is discussion. If we were to follow your advise their would be no comments.... and why don't you remove the plank in your own eye first?
Charles:
READ AND UNDERSTAND what the lady wrote. She is talking about taking a look at yourself first.
ITM. I agree with her first sentence but I find that bible quote to be ridiculous. The act of preaching it to someone contradicts it. It reminds me of a quote by Pee-Wee Herman, "I know you are but what and I", because both can be volleyed back and forth indefinitely.
Charles... seriously? Read the posts above and tell me that there is any intelligent discussion going on here. I see nothing but the same old hateful name calling.
Feisty and her 'crew' think they are SO witty but their song and dance has gotten SO old.
Discussion... I'm sure.
SOtB, I agree that the name calling is uncalled for. I should of clarified that in my first post; however, I still stand behind my critique of that silly quote.
ITM and SOTB and MBEATY:
As determined by the Supreme Court in the case "The People versus Larry Flint" - while you may not agree with or care for a poster's 'taste'; your outrage cannot silence their voice. While you may not believe it fit discussion, attempts at silencing are not what this country is about.
I think Charles is giving you an opportunity to disagree without PREACHING.
Word!
(all kinds of meaning in that last comment!)
Well alright then Chuck - please critique Fiesty's comment about clowns. Do you find it just silly, uniformed blather? Or is that the type of thoughtful dscussion you hope to find here?
And let's be clear, while the purpose here may indeed be discussion, the nature, tenor and focus of said discussion varies per the individual commentor. Which is exactly why I loves me some Fiesty - it reminds me that there really are some uniformed, silly folk out there.
Rock on Fiesty old gal.
Spanky, It's not my style to name call (except in the case of truthers and birthers), but I don't mind reading it from either side. I actually kind of like how it gets everyone wound up. I loved Clara's and your banter on the above thread btw. Hilarious!
Charles (and Clara too...),
My comment had nothing to with people's RIGHTS to post the trash they they post. I support their RIGHT to do that.
My post was a commentary on the value (or lack there of) of those posts as it relates to discussions about the FR article.
Take a look at the posts i am questioning... Feisty, Bev, NDD... Their posts have NOTHING to do with the topic of discussion. Instead they continue to follow the same pattern they follow EVERY day here.. posts that are intended to insite anger from those that do not agree with them. Their tactics include hateful comments, name calling and in may instances horrible personal attacks on other FR contributors.
Discussion is NOT what they are here for!
Spanky, I totally understand that. I was being serious when I said I loved your comment in the above thread. I voted for it. I needed a good laugh today.
WHO the hell are you to decide?
Funny, you make no mention of of the right!
Not sure that Fiesty, Bev. or NewDay are trying to incite anything, or that their behavior is intentional. More a case of just limited cognitive ability. It's really nothing more than mindlessly re-citing the same thing over and over and over again. And do consider the source - I'm pretty sure they are all elderly with limited work or educational experience. Certainly none have ever created a business, understand corporate taxation, or would ever be effected by tax increases over the $250K threshold.
Now if you really want to see what happens when those three in particular are confronted with something new go back to their comments the day of and the day after Giffords got shot. Pure comedy gold.
That's it Feisty... keep deflecting! My comments had NOTHING to do with LEFT vs. RIGHT...
My comments had to do with the relevance of a few ANGRY BEAVERS!
(thank you cartoon network... or was it nichelodeon?)
Nice to se Stevie has graduated from 'Why do you work for someone else" to "how come YOU git to post FIRST?". Steve- maybe the're 'Me Firsters'?? OH, NO! I'M TELLIN'!!!
Now that every one has come in and given their take on my original post, I thought I might come back and clarify. I am not trying to preach to anyone here more than anyone else opinion is trying to change minds. How many times to you see nasty claims of hypocrisy here...just on this FR blog. The quote I put up there is the perfect explanation of hypocrisy. If you come here with comments filled with buzzwords, talking points, and calling others morons and hateful, I would consider that to be quite hypocritical.
I am also not trying to silence anyone, I can do that just fine by not reading this blog. Discussion is a great thing, but an original post like Feisty Redhead made accomplishes nothing and contains no discussion.
Poor DBO,,,
My heart Bleeds for you........... WTF, Thats "Win the Future" for you Libbies..
A book Written by Newt Gingrich...
Talk about not being Original.
ha.. IN HONOR OF THE NASTY REDHEAD AND HER ILK. who claim to not want to Collapse. but then do.
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And FR has you and your Circus Friends nasty Redhead
I bet it pisses you off when you throw your one line up there and post it really fast hoping to be the First one on the board. but then only to find out your not..
and as you usual you start off accusing people of being Nasty when it Reality its you and your Hateful Group here.
I understand that you see it all Slipping away.
Come on - does anyone not un-collapse the collapsed comments?
How stupid. Collapsing merely serves to highlight the comment, which has to be the opposite thing the person doing the collaping intended.
I'm Drive-thru - Observer, and I approves of Spank's message.
Cut it out, y' lightweights.
Spanky:
Feisty is not silly, and you must respect a woman in uniform!
You got it Erickson!
You can't have the 'organization' infiltrated by groups that don't speak 'conservative'!...Spies like GOProud!
The Deminted one is more your cup of TEA!
chilled:
Look man, you're not Conservative nor Republican so why do you care.
He is right to point this out.
ITM - you appear to be more agitated than usual this morning...
What's the matter hon? Did the little Mrs. smack you BACK for a change? Or did you run out of mouthwash? lol
IntheMiddle, TX
chilled:
Look man, you're not Conservative nor Republican so why do you care.
Look, less than a man ITM----I care about the success of my country and the non stop bigotry of the Teabaggers!
You can call it being Conservative, but I call it bigotry!
Chilled,
If you care for our country, why did the old Congress spend 3 Trillion of our dollars in just two years? What good did it do for our country? Unemployment went up over 9%, the real number is around 17%. China pretty much owns us. Bush is not an answer, the spending is on Obama's watch.
Instead of calling people names, what success do you want? You want fast choo-choos? You want electric cars that need energy that Obama wants to put "Tax and Cap" on?
I call it-You don't know how to fix it. The only thing I see from Liberals is insults and no solutions.
The people spoke in November, you can't live on Hope and Change. Obama is a likable guy, but a horrible leader.
As of today, what's the chance of Obama getting elected? Not your wish, but the countrys' wish. There's a bigger world outside of the Liberal world.
Chill:
I'm more man than you will ever be and more than that wytch you are married to will ever know.
Stay out of grown folks business jr. flip.
Go to sleep trick.
Fiesty:
Did your hubby grow a pair yet? I guess not because you are still feening like a crackhead for a mouthfull.
You had better take your trashy butt somewhere else if you want to play with kidz.
Paul, you are absolutely right....Bush is NOT the answer.
Bush is the root cause...but of course forget about the unfunded wars, prescription drugs, tax cuts for the ubber rich (all off budget)! Over a trillion dollars that suddenly were put on budget/deficit!
...and ITM...Lordy what's got you so extra nasty today? East Texas not being kind to ya?
Fiesty's hubby? No way she has a family. Just add up the number of days and comments she makes in this blog alone.
She has to be a shut in. There is no other reasonable inference.
Lack of fiber?
Well played Fiesty - keep pointing it back at ITM and maybe everyone will ignore the substance of your comments.
Or maybe not, but you keep on trying.
Spanky,
You might be on to something. That would go a long way toward explaining her hatred, anger and why she is SO out of touch with the CURRENT world. My guess is that she has been a shut-in since the 60's.
Feisty and all of her 'friends' here at FR brings to mind a cartoon that my children used to watch on cable tv... the ANGRY BEAVERS!
....but Feisty, besides the lack of fiber, may be suffering from what he so aptly discovered and found a name for...Bush Derangement Syndrome!
Oh, but perhaps it's all those carbon emmissions in the East Texas area....
good grief, gotta love it!
Sicko and Spanky
Come on,...now you BOTH are guilty of making it personal. Feisty has a lovely husband and her daughter does amazing work with Handicapable children.
You guys don't like her 'brand' and have decided to make it personal. Whatever, but as you both have said in as many words - your inability to ignore her says more about both of you than it says about her.
Feisty, keep 'em coming - you've found the way to their wrath!
Thanks Clara! I decided to just sit back and let them expose themselves as the hypocrites they are!
Happens every time! ;o)
Aww Clara the entertainment of all of this - and that what it is after all is entertainment, arising mostly out of the personal nature of the comments. For instance I think Fiesty just called me a hypocrite. Now I could ask her to provide the basis for that comment, but we all know she won't/can't.
As a professional, I really don't have a lot of interaction with folks like Fiesty, Bev, Newday. Most of the folk I hang out with have college degrees or higher and make enough money that any and all changes in tax law will dierectly effect them. They also, with little exception work very hard and long hours. And for some reason they think they should be entitled to keep as much of their earning as possible/pay as little in taxes as is legal.
Golly to me Fiesty is not even an actual person, but rather a proxy of the libbie left that loves unions, taxes, and couldn't run a business to save their life.
Yes, please Fiesty keep on keeping on. Do it for your "people." You are their defacto leader after all.
Clara:
How do you know how lovely her husband is?
You keep pumping her up and she will continue to get embarrassed.
Well, I know her because we are friends on facebook, we've spoken to one another on the phone and we've traded Holiday Cards and other correspondence. And I've spoken to her husband on HuffPo,...so I feel pretty qualified to make the assessment.
PS. Spanky, it's a big mistake to assume that those who make $250K or more a year are all Republicans. There are many who feel pretty strongly about paying 'it' forward. But for the grace of many social programs, I would not have accomplished what I have,...How do YOU reconcile the fact that MANY lawyers are ProDem sympathizers? It's safe to say that generalizations are inaccurate and unnecessary. Too bad you don't have a more diverse friendship base. Walking in other people's shoes is the best way to develop the compassion gene.
Why does 'conservative' have to be all-encompassing? Must everyone who believes in small government also be church-going Christians? I think it's amusing that the folks who scream the loudest about the so-called threat of Sharia law infiltrating the US are the ones whose ideology is more in step with theocracy than the liberal left.
Ursula: You may have just written the post of the week!
Agreed. Bravo.
Ursala. Right on.
Ursula:
I agree with newday. This is the post of the week. Maybe the post of the month. I'm going to pay more attention to what you write. Please keep posting.
Thanks guys!
I find it amusing that groups are trying to "out conservative" each other. When BOTH parties can and do work together, the country does seem to move forward. Right now, the country has serious problems, and people such as Michelle Bachmann do not seem to care, as long as they can win the next election. The Republicans, and some of the Tea party have won the last election, and so far, nothing has changed. The Republicans promised, during the campaign that creating jobs would be a priority, instead they decided to go after the health care act, with the expected result of losing. When, exactly will BOTH parties start to work together to move the country forward, get us out of debt, and create jobs? People like Michelle Bachmann et al have only one trick, they want people mto feel threatened, and then tell the people where the threat is coming from, whether that is a factual threat or not is immaterial.
Very True hq2, I find it absolutely astounding that so many of the 'Conservative' camp are not following what is REALLY going on with their 'elected representatives'. So far, instead of working to bring economic relief to the masses in the way of jobs and a better economy ALL that the "right" is doing is trying to tear down President Obama instead. The ONLY thing that they are focused on is to discredit the first Black American President in ANY way possible, whether that be with misinformation, misdirection or to try to block legislation that was put into effect that actually HELPS those that are not Too-Rich-To-Fail already. The Repubs are being hoisted upon their own petard with their saying one thing and then doing the opposite, and soon even the hard core group of heretofore ignorant believers in them will have to admit that they were fooled AGAIN by this unscrupulous group of crooks and their sycophants.
Health care is but one of the many examples of their perfidity: much of the law, some 90% is almost EXACTLY the same wording that they put forth in the '90s, and yet, now, once it has been enacted, by a Black President, they are totally against it, even though it funnels money into the pockets of their highly paid Insurance Backers.
There is a LOT going on behind the scenes, the Justice Department is finally close to rounding up the perpetrators of the Financial Crash and the people that have been ripping off the entire world through the use of the Stock Market by way of Illegally informed insider trading. What most of the public does not know is that a WHOLE LOT of our present Legislators, bureaucrats and those who were supposed to be "regulating" such markets are in it up to their necks, and they will all be going away...far from ANY rein of power or money. When the truth comes out, publicly so that no one can deny it any longer, there is going to be a widespread sense of "How could this have happened, I BELIEVED in those people!" Things to watch: The bankruptcy of The Fed and it's Fiat Currency, the many States that are looking for some form of currency that is NOT backed by The Fed, and the number of businesses and banks that are looking towards getting back onto the gold standard. It is going to happen and the truths that will come with it will surely amaze, dismay, disgust and surprise those who think that they want things to go "The Conservative Way".
Change is happening, and the Big Money Powers That Be are running scared, because they KNOW that their time is up, that the World is moving past them and they will no longer be able to control the World through the practices of Fear, War and Poverty like they have been doing for well over 100 years. The Bush Years threw the covers off and the World has seen who REALLY has been in bed together all this time...and it is Not Pretty.
Just watch, you WILL See!!
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
John Stuart Mill
A party of order or stability, and a party of progress or reform, are both necessary elements of a healthy state of political life.
John Stuart Mill
"Read more than you post"
dangerfield
also...
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that.
John Stuart Mill...
and...
In all intellectual debates, both sides tend to be correct in what they affirm, and wrong in what they deny.
Here's a link to some of Mill's work;
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_16?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=john+stuart+mill&sprefix=john+stuart+mill
The great defender of individual rights,
"John Stuart Mill’s view on liberty, which was influenced by Joseph Priestley and Josiah Warren, is that the individual ought be free to do as he wishes unless he harms others. Individuals are rational enough to make decisions about their good being and choose any religion they want to. Government should interfere when it is for the protection of society. Mill explains,
“The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill
His basic political philosophy would probably make him a libertarian today, a bane to conservative and liberal alike...
I guess it would depend on how you define "harm to others"
In March the swallows fly to Capistrano. And in February the loons flock to CPAC
Yo Patrick we get it - conservatives are stupid, and also apparently "loons."
Do you hhave anything else? [and I know you parakeet is smarter, and no doubt less "looney" than me too, right Pat?
Spanky. You lack a sense of humor.
How big is that conservative tent?
Once you shove the elephants out,...it's quite roomy!
Clara, The Elephants are out. Haven't you seen them doing green energy commercials for GE? I doubt that Obama would like his buddy, the CEO of GE, using the GOP symbol to tout green energy. Someone at GE is probably worried about a pink slip about now.
Ive been eating so much popcorn latly watching the teabaggers vs conservatives vs GOP that Im getting fat.
And we are barely past the first set of commercials at that!! Quite the show! Mebbe it is going to end up like Survivor, watching who gets pushed out of the boat next!
Pop another batch, please!!
Do you liberals ever come up with something original besides what you hear or see on MSNBC?
That popcorn metaphor is so lame and tired.
It may be tired and lame but popcorn is better than that — — — — you teabaggers are so fond of nursing on
(as Seinfeld says "NOT THAT THERS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT")