Egyptian government fracturing?

From NBC's Courtney Kube
A senior U.S. official confirms that there is evidence today of fracturing and growing fissures within the leadership of the Egyptian government.

"There is a debate going on inside the inner circle" of the Egyptian leadership, the official said.

The official declined to speculate whether the members of that "inner circle" are influential enough and the fracturing strong enough to force President Mubarak to step down, saying only that "it's just not sustainable."

The official added that even without the rumblings within the government, the situation in Egypt is not economically sustainable. As the protests continue, "the economy continues to grind down," the official said.

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My colleague David Kirkpatrick, The Times bureau chief in Cairo, reports:

With signs of fracturing within Egypt's ruling elite, hundreds of thousands of people packed Cairo's central Tahrir Square on Friday, chanting slogans, bowing in prayer and waving Egyptian flags to press a largely peaceful campaign for the removal of President Hosni Mubarak. [...]

Amr Moussa, the secretary general of the Arab League and a former foreign minister serving Mr. Mubarak, appeared among the crowds in Tahrir Square, seeming to align himself with the protest. Twice he sought to address the crowd, but both times he was drowned out by roars of approval at what seemed a tacit endorsement of their cause.

Mr. Moussa told The BBC why he joined the protesters in Tahrir Square: "The demonstrators have their voice loud and clear in asking for change and asking for reform. They are asking for a new era in Egypt and those demands and aspirations, I do share. Egypt needs a new beginning."

The independent Egyptian newspaper Al-Masry Al-Youm reported:

Earlier on Friday, Moussa said he is not ruling out running for presidency in September. He said he believes President Mubarak would not leave the country but remain until the end of his term in August. He also expressed readiness to play a role should a transitional governing body be formed.

Other prominent personalities have joined the protesters, including reform advocate Mohamed ElBaradei, former presidential candidate Ayman Nour, as well as several opposition figures and cinema stars.

Mohamed Rafah Tahtawy, the public spokesman for Al Azhar - the center of Sunni Muslim learning and Egypt's highest, state-run religious authority - also joined the protesters in Tahrir Square on Friday, after resigning because, he said, "I am participating in the protests and I have issued statements that support the revolutionists as far as they go."

Let's hope it happens today...

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Reply#1 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 2:57 PM EST

Indeed, the Egyptian government is fracturing. If not today, certainly within a week. The peaceful transition of power is one of the many things that separates America from other countries. It is facinating that one of the oldest countries on the planet still struggles with the transfer of power.

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#1.1 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:42 PM EST
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Been wodering why Hannity can talk about little else the last 3 days other that "Islam Bad"- then it dawned on me:

The talking points memo has been sent to all participants in the 'discredit Obama' clan, and he's just building up his attack postion. Hide and watch.

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Reply#2 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 2:58 PM EST

Swan Hanntiy is bad especially when he gives the hand jive.

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#2.1 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:05 PM EST

So why don't the two of you stop watching Mr. Hannity?

You know if you ignored him - didn't watch or incessently talk about him, maybe his rating would suffer and they'd pull him from the line-up? You know, kinda like what seems to be going on at MSNBC. They just fell to third place. Larry O' is in the tank, and only god can save Big Ed at this point. You think GOD will intervene? {psst - I'm talking about Sorrros, of course}.

See, I love MSNBC, so I support it by watching its shows. Drive By, Bev. MSNBC needs you. won't you be there for it? Heck I'm just hoping that if it can atttract more ratings, maybe we could lose all the stupid ads around here. It's just terrible.

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#2.2 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:11 PM EST

So tell me Spanky...Why are you on this 'liberal" board? Just askin!

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#2.3 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:22 PM EST

Spanky-

So why don't the two of you stop watching Mr. Hannity?

You do know you watch him on the internet and other stations cary clips. For instance...

Someone Giving Beck's Caliphate Speech On Street Corner "Probably Would Be Involuntarily Committed"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201102030044

FYI; Beck has lost 1/3 of viewership. I predict he probably lost more as well as mind. Ailes probably has the paramedics on the set with a strait just in case Beck runs out of chalk and vicks vapor rub.

So Who's Still Advertising On Beck? February 3 Edition

February 03, 2011 6:34 pm ET by Media Matters staff

At least 100 advertisers have reportedly dropped their ads from Glenn Beck's Fox News program

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102030040

So you see that Boycott FOX is working.

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#2.4 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:29 PM EST

Torpedo you,,

Thanks for Confriming what we already knew. Yes we understand that that our Host here at PMSNBC are Very Liberal, they slant every story they decide to post in that manner. Now if you could only get them to post that Fact when they do post a Story. T

I mean Afterall, I dont care if someone has a Specific view. but Refuse to Acknowledge it when they do post it.

But hey we understand they will never Admit this.

What Say you Courtney Kube.

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#2.5 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:37 PM EST

Bev. Honey, let me say this again. Now make sure you read it real slow so you can understand.

I don't watch Beck. I used to back when he was on CNN (and I do credit him for turning me on to investing in gold. And again read slowly: note I said gold, not Goldline). So your "facts" and cites mean little to me. [plus as a further aside I note that the above comments from me and my good buddy Drive By were about Hannity, not Beck, but I suppose we all look alike to you].

Of course, while I do note that although Beck may have lost advertisers and viewers I do occasionally see ratings information and the recent Newsweek break down. Looks like he's still doing ok - much higher earning and ratings than anyone on MSNBC.

So again, I implore you - stop watching so much Fox. MSNBC needs your support. Be like me-watch Rachel and Ed and even Larry. I'm pissed that Matthews is on so early on the Westcoast - I no longer get to watch his tingly legged fun.

And for christ's sake when Olbermann puts out a book would it kill you to buy a copy? Apparently you have not been supportive in that regard.

Ok Bev. you got it now? That's a good girl. See you next week, cause the fun is just begining. :)

And Torpedo - what's it to you?

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#2.6 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:53 PM EST

See, I love MSNBC, so I support it by watching its shows. Drive By, Bev. MSNBC needs you. won't you be there for it? Heck I'm just hoping that if it can atttract more ratings, maybe we could lose all the stupid ads around here. It's just terrible.

Spanky you feeling okay? The next thing you know you'll start voting Democratic. I found this hard to believe but I finally agree with something you said. Maybe I need to see my doctor I must be hallucinating. Wait a minute is this really Spanky or some impostor using his login?

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#2.7 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 5:08 PM EST

Spanky-

"So why don't the two of you stop watching Mr. Hannity?"

I don't watch him.

    #2.8 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 5:26 PM EST

    "And Torpedo - what's it to you?"

    THERE it is! The phrase we ALL been looking for when responding to YOUR posts day in and day out, MR Bean Counter (Mr Mud Dauber??). Thanks for providing it for us. You ARE a real 'stand-up guy' after all.

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    #2.9 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 5:30 PM EST

    So how come Bev and Drive By get to listen/watch Hannity and I don't get to watch my friends on MSNBC? We all watch/listen for the entertainment right. They are all only entertainers, correct?

    And Drive By your ignorance is howing again. I'm not an accountant. I do have an accounting degree. What's your degree in? Oh, but that's not the only one I got, how about you? I do employ an accountant and my tax attorney also went has a degree in accounting.

    So DBO what is it exactly that you do? Other than post while at work?

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    #2.10 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 6:26 PM EST
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    President Mubarak needs to step down NOW. He is a threat to the lives of his people. That old camel's hump is filled with enough fat to carry him far, far away.

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    Reply#3 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 2:58 PM EST

    beverly - Such spite! There is more to life than FR. I suggest watching Charlie Rose for a more balanced take on Egypts potentials, and no one interviewed yet thinks that mubarak has a prayer of remaining in power after september.

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    #3.1 - Sat Feb 5, 2011 3:37 AM EST
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    Despots seldom step down, they would rather pull their nations into the abyss, then give up power. I feel sad for the people of Egypt and he difficult times they face.

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    Reply#4 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:05 PM EST

    So Tell us. When will Obama step down? Oh. thats right

    Patrick Salt Lake City

    Despots seldom step down

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    #4.1 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:11 PM EST

    Steve. At the end of his second term.

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    #4.2 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:18 PM EST

    Or as soon as the Pedophiles leave SLC!

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    #4.3 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:23 PM EST

    Steve, wasn't President Obama elected by the majority of American people two years ago? are you comparing him to a despot simply because you didn't vote for him and disagree with him. Wouldn't that have made President Bush a despot for those who disagreed with him?

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    #4.4 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:23 PM EST

    Isn't that one of the things about our country that we take for granted, Patrick---we do have orderly transitions following free elections. And even when we aren't convinced the election is free, we do still have that transition.

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    #4.5 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:26 PM EST

    So Tell us. When will Obama step down? Oh. thats right

    Steve that is really a reach Obama a despot. Get real. When his second term is up he will gladly pass the torch to the next President. We are a nation of laws and even when we don't agree with how they are interpreted we can agree that they must be followed or changed by following the procedures set in place by our Founding Fathers not at the point of a gun. I sure hope we have learned something since last time we couldn't come to a peaceful solution to our differences in 1865.

    We still are the model the rest of the world envies. Now that maybe the only thing you and I can agree on but it's my guess is there is probably more seeing as how you do post here on MSNBC.

      #4.6 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 5:27 PM EST

      Retired military - many FR liberals already believe that, nothing new there.

      Devie - yes we are the model everyone envies. Give us your $$$ but stay away from our domestic affairs unless you are asked to interfer, but $$$ first for the cover charge. lol!

        #4.7 - Sat Feb 5, 2011 3:44 AM EST
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        Capitalistm is working in Egypt finally realizing their pockets are being emptied. Whether they are to the right or to the left. Change will now happen because the economics of keeping Mubarek just don't add up anymore.

        Funny how things work sometimes!

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        Reply#5 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:27 PM EST

        One can only watch and wait to see how this all turns out, hoping that in the end it will turn out well for the Egyptian people and for the interest of the US.

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        Reply#6 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 3:28 PM EST

        Here's to hoping this comes to a peaceful settlement and true democracy.

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        Reply#7 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 5:25 PM EST

        Amen.

          #7.1 - Sat Feb 5, 2011 3:35 AM EST
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          The advantage /interest groups have separate the democratic movement. It is because Mubarak does not give an equal share of economical gains.

          Mubarak is better to warn his groups not to use force right now; his groups can be like other demonstrators but do NO HARM to anyone.

          Otherwise, there may be trials for those bararic acts against the unarmed children, unarmed women, and unarmed men. And, the Mubarak's group just use a white van today, a hit-and-run, to drive through the crowd demonstrators.

            Reply#8 - Sat Feb 5, 2011 3:41 AM EST

            Billie - there are more groups at play than just the protesters seeking democracy and mubarak supporters, any of which may be the devil in disguise.

            I am just glad that the Egyptian military has shown such restraint and apparent neutrality.

              #8.1 - Sat Feb 5, 2011 3:52 AM EST
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              You guys are all so witty!

                Reply#9 - Sat Feb 5, 2011 8:59 AM EST

                All of Mr. Mubarak's best friends are rich...............they are now losing money..................the banks are supposed to open tomorrow. No one has been able to get at their funds for 11 days. There is going to be a run on the banks. The Stock market is going to open on Monday. How far it will go down remains to be seen, 50%? No one knows, but, one thing is for sure, all of the president's "friends" will be telling him to get out now, before the entire financial system in Egypt collapses. "It's all about the money, stupid". We love you, but, could you please resign now?

                  Reply#10 - Sat Feb 5, 2011 11:21 AM EST

                  'Got this feeling that Egypt is only the tip of the iceberg; with so much 'beach' in the middle East, doesn't it stand to reason that the 'tide' is just beginning to come in? Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, even Iraq and Iran should be watching for a tsumani.... and I don't mean just changing despots like changing socks, but perhaps true Democracy. Then we can copy it over here....LOOK OUT WALL STREET!!

                    Reply#11 - Sat Feb 5, 2011 2:59 PM EST

                    Historically, the Muslim Brotherhood was, "founded in 1928 by the Egyptian schoolteacher/activist Hasan al-Banna (a devout admirer of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis), the Muslim Brotherhood (MB)—a Sunni entity—is one of the oldest, largest and most influential Islamist organizations in the world." Throughout its history, the Muslim Brotherhood has been involved in various acts of violent jihad. For example, in December 1948, a Brotherhood member assassinated Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmud Fahmi Nuqrashi. In 1954, Muslim Brotherhood member Abdul Munim Abdul Rauf tried to assassinate President Nasser. The Brotherhood’s mission statement, which is permanently posted on its official Arabic-language website, defines the Brotherhood as a Muslim community (jama’ah) that preaches for and demands the rule of Allah’s law (tahkim shar’ allah). Many others have noted this as well. The Muslim Brotherhood appears to be co-opting the non-violent protest of demonstrators in Cairo. Though originally not highly involved, the Muslim Brotherhood now seems to see an opportunity to emerge as a major player as Egypt’s national leadership changes. The current American presidential administration will be put to the test to decide how to negotiate with the new potential leaders of Egypt’s government with the Muslim Brotherhood in the mix. The Muslim Brotherhood is now claiming to be a non violent participant in the reform government of Egypt, it will be a major break from its past tradition of jihadic acts of violence. Of significance to Western supporters of the Egyptian protest, it is important to note that democratic, free elections and religious freedom would not necessarily both follow from a change in Egyptian national leadership. As many have learned from the War in Iraq, democratic elections in prominently Muslim nations can even lead to increased religious persecution among Christians or other non-Muslim religious groups. While we as Christians may support democracy in Egypt, we must be careful not to equate democracy with Christian liberty. In fact, if the Muslim Brotherhood takes a leadership role, some form of sharia law (law based on the teachings of the Qur’an) will be expected. Unfortunately, sharia law is the standard in eight of the top ten nations where Christians are most persecuted.

                      Reply#12 - Sun Feb 6, 2011 1:55 PM EST

                      Hello America, let me just ask the question, is this a good thing or a bad thing? I believe that Google and Microsoft both could employ terrorist, just because someone works for google doesn't neccesairly mean they are a good person look at the Forthood Terrorist, personally I don't think that the Muslim Brotherhood has any interest in fighting terrorism, I would presume just the opposite, infact isn't that what their name implies?, Muslim Brotherhood, notice its not the Egyptian Brotherhood, or the Red Sea Brotherhood, or the Poor People Of Egypts Brotherhood, or the Pyramid Camel Riders Brotherhood, or King Tuts Helpers Brotherhood, no but the Muslim Brotherhood. to me that says it all, they are a factionous group desiring to eradicate any other peoples from Egypt and the middle-east that are not Muslim, such as the Christians and Jews. this Muslim Brotherhood should be treated like Alcaida or the Tahliban sincerely Fezzy Bear

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