We blame Bush for not figuring out that CHENEY was running the 9/11 operation with JEB and Marvin Bush.

simple matter of too much political correctness. dont offend the muslim. performence reports in the military mean squat. i have written them. most are identical with a few individualized comments added. it is a way to get a guy promoted and out of your hair. "rise to their level of incompetence"

You're right - this did happen on President Obama's watch.

But the difference between President Obama and former President George W. Bush is that when something goes terribly wrong, President Obama takes the blame upon his shoulders and does not try to fluff it off on someone else.

Rightly, President Obama should not take the blame for what happened on Bush's watch. But the difference between the two is the GWB and Dick Cheney NEVER accepted the blame for any of their failures - and there were many, many failures.

Luckily for me, RedneckCEO, there is a huge difference between you and me. You're quick to blame Democrats for everything, but more than likely don't do the same with the Republicans that you supposedly support. You think that name-calling (kookie libbies, Blow-Job Bill) is perfectly acceptable, when in reality it's one of the many things that's wrong with this country - and obviously also with you.

"....both agencies were aware of suspected gunman Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan's radicalization to violent Islamist extremism "but failed both to understand and to act on it."

Does the fact that more than one government agency dropped the ball on this knowingly radicalized Army major surprise anyone? And then the Senate report goes on to say that these agencies failed to understand and to act on it? We've been waging wars with these "radicals" for how many years? And we failed to understand (sic) what might happen? Or maybe they thought their particular agency might be "jumped on" for fingering this wonderful major with his stellar career because the FBI or Military Intelligence might look bad even though he might shoot someone or blow something up? I would venture a strong guess and say Political Correctness had a role to play in NOT nailing this murdering sack of S hit before he could pull a trigger........fry his radicalized azz in the electric chair or give him the firing squad. Then fire the people who knew this guy was a ticking time bomb.

It's a shame he couldn't have just said he was "gay." He'd have been out of there in no time!

TIMELINE

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/11/07/us/20091107-HASAN-TIMELINE.html

Just one more example of how our intelligence agencies have failed us again.

Why do they call them Intelligence agencies?????

But the difference between President Obama and former President George W. Bush is that when something goes terribly wrong, President Obama takes the blame upon his shoulders and does not try to fluff it off on someone else.

That is perhaps the most delusional post here. Leave it to an Obamabot to attempt to state that Obama takes blame for things! This is the man who STILL blames the previous administration on his own party's economic FAILURES (trillion dollar stimulus bill NOT keeping unemployment below 8% anyone???). I can't name ONE THING of Obama's decision making where he has ADMITTED making a mistake - from the results of the 2010 mid-term elections that got Dems FIRED from the House on back. NOBODY can. Because the Teleprompter In Chief HASN'T. And his stumblings and failures in handling the growing Middle East crisis is even a more shining example. We have another Jimmy Carter here folks!

I'm sorry. I just had to laugh at that beanie-capped poster who is looking through some sort of rose colored prism thinking that his Dear Leader is showered with rose pedals on a pedestal. The only other idiotic mentality I've read is that Cheney and Bush were behind 9/11. And guess what? Moonbatic liberals are behind that thinking too.

Read this redneck,

Internal Army reports indicate officers within the Army were aware of Hasan's tendencies toward radical Islam since 2005. Additionally, investigations before and after the shooting discovered e-mail communications between Hasan and Yemen-based cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who quickly declared Hasan a hero, as "fighting against the U.S. army is an Islamic duty". After communications between the two were forwarded to FBI terrorism task forces in 2008, they determined that Hasan was not a threat prior to the shooting and that his questions to al-Awlaki were consistent with medical research.

This happened on whose watch?

Obama wasn't President in 2005. It's just like you Republicans to blur the edges and try to blame Obama. I bet you blame him for the economy and deficit as well.

Republicans are a domestic enemy to these United States. Worse than AlQueada.

LMAO

Redneck nyou are a real moron. Read this DA,

Internal Army reports indicate officers within the Army were aware of Hasan's tendencies toward radical Islam since 2005. Additionally, investigations before and after the shooting discovered e-mail communications between Hasan and Yemen-based cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who quickly declared Hasan a hero, as "fighting against the U.S. army is an Islamic duty". After communications between the two were forwarded to FBI terrorism task forces in 2008, they determined that Hasan was not a threat prior to the shooting and that his questions to al-Awlaki were consistent with medical research.

This happened on your hero's watch. Obama wasn't President in 2005.

You brain dead Republicans are always quick to blur the edges of reality.

I'll bet you have illusions that the current economic conditions of the country are Obama's fault as well. LMAO

The likes of you and your beloved Party are the biggest threat this country faces today. Albeit a domestic threat, but nonetheless a bigger threat than Al Queada.

The dumbing down of America is what you are.

And in related news, Osama Bin Ladin is suspected to be planning big attack on United States of America. More at 11.

DenverLawyer, it's too bad that you have your head stuck up your ass and what you spit out smells like s hit.

As usual, many posters are jumping on the Intelligence Community. It must be nice to play armchair "analyst" and run around blaming everyone else.

I agree, they failed here. They agree they failed here.

I would submit that most of their successes can never be revealed or discussed. That would lead to tipping our hand to the enemy. I would also submit that most people playing the blame game would not even know what an intelligence success looks like. Furthermore the people posting here are too busy pointing fingers and feeling their political party is superior to propose how they would have done things differently.

We are turning into a nation of couch potatoes, entertained by "Reality" shows of people on islands or racing around the world, while those few folks in our military and intelligence agencies toil with little thanks and even less recognition. I, for one, appreciate all they do which they cannot brag about so we can sleep safely at night. if you want to see examples of systemic intelligence failures and terrorists successes, look at the roadside bombing in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. If those things were going on here, I could understand the whining of the coddled American public. What this terrorist did was horrible. How many other attempts were planned but detected and thwarted by the very intelligence groups which you are busy bashing? How much are the internal "sunshine patriots" distracting these agencies with their veiled threats to our politicians? it seems to me our intelligence agency have their hands full. And oh, by the way, how do you thing this mad rush to "cut the government" is going to affect them? We Americans have a lot of growing up to do.

Quit whining and fix it. If you can do a better job, join the FBI or army intelligence, but don't just stand on the side and throw rocks.

Jhawke...........9/11 TRUTH is apolitical. When we prove that 9/11 was an inside job, brought to you by CHENEY and company, you will say that he wasn't a conservative or a Republican, and we will say on that point you are right, he is a mass murderer and a war criminal.

And when you don't? What do you imagine we'll say then?

Let us have an unhindered subpoena empowered security clearanced investigation and we'll see. If after that has taken place for the first time, if we haven't proved our case, I would assume that you would say something like, "Told you so." But the upside would be that you would have put the conspiracy theory to rest. Denying any real investigation is an indication of guilt. The term is "guilty demeanor".

Yes

Just another SNAFU. This looks similar to NASAs Challenger accident where it ignored its own vendors on the safety of their products under certain conditions. The signs of failure were all over, it's just that no one wanted, for what reason(s), to make the correct call. Too many bureaucrats. Too many layers of responsibility that both overlapped in some areas, making unclear who had responsibility, and too many gaps in other areas. Sounds a little like ObamaCare, but I digress.

What's important is what's done about it in the future. Probably yet another independent committee will be formed, and it's results and recommendations ignored. Status does have it's Quo.

Problem people in the Military are transferred until there is no where else to send them. Each transfer is to a worse base assignment until they quit or violate the UCMJ. Murder and insubordination are dischargeable offenses.

@Salt Grass - And your point is what? Insubordination and murder are hardly the same thing, let alone same kind of offenses under the UCMJ.

Yes, plenty of blame to go around.

Off topic, but its ironic that he could have ties to violent islamic radicals that his superiors knew about and it was fine but if he had made known to his superiors that he was gay he would have been immediately discharged.

Oh well at least the DADT issue is resolved. Now how about agreeing that military members with ties to violent islamist extremism be discharged.

JoAnnaSmith1 -The signs of failure were all over, it's just that no one wanted, for what reason(s), to make the correct call.

Good post JoAnna. You are correct. The signs were all there but no one wanted to make the correct call because this guy was a Muslim. Heaven forbid anyone discriminate against an obviously dangerous MUSLIM in our Army! Political correctness caused the deaths of all the people this nutcase attacked.

I can guarantee that if the same odd behavior were observed from a White man, the authorities would have had no hesitation at all ending his career.

That it takes more than a minor offense to get discharged. Most nut jobs are weeded out in basic, so if you make it through basic you are in as long as you make grade. Point is problems are transferred not discharged.

Plus they spent some money on training this madman, besides the PC crap they were trying to protect their investment.

Machinehead, the issue was not his religious or ethnic background. He was a psychiatrist. A medical doctor and board certified psychiatrist. Being evaluated by people who were either professional equals or lower.

This is a case of the military medical establishment protecting one of their own despite the obvious danger to others. Doctors who are responsible for evaluating their peers do this all of the time. They will excuse drug addiction, drunkenness, sexual harassment, etc. Just whitewash it. Ask any registered nurse who works in a hospital or clinic.

The problem is not new. In 1955 in Okinawa, I was assigned an alcoholic (drunk before lunch) to work on nuclear weapons maintenance. Six hundred pounds of high explosive with detonators hand carried to the test bench. The CO refused to recommend the man for medical discharge because the drunk was only five years from retirement. So we assigned him to quality control. When sober, he was great; knew the proper torque for every bolt on a Mk-6 weapon. But when the inspectors came down from Japan we had to hide the guy.

until we as a nation quit this silly PC program and go after the ones that are a danger we will continue to see this These guys were covering their a**es to make their boss happy first

I think part of the problem lies with the P.C. mentality. We cant offend anyone and the attitude in the military is such that if they don't like what you are saying against someone it could end your career.

Another fine example of when the Fed gov't is invloved, it's usually a snafu. Keep your enemies close and your gov't even closer!

Another fine example of when the Fed gov't is invloved, it's usually a snafu.

The Army is a branch of the military, which resides under the DoD, which is a government agency. So yeah, of course the government would be involved.

Wow, you people are geniuses!

GulfWar, this reflects on the army medical establishment, not any other organization, and is certainly not due to his ethnic or religious background.

The shooter was a psychiatrist who was being actively protected by his peers (the evaluators who lied about his mental stability) from the consequences of his actions. This happens all of the time in the medical world, for all kinds of life-threatening behaviors. Doctors would much rather close ranks around and protect one of their own than see them pushed out of the profession. People die all of the time because of this.

@JustAThought08:

was a psychiatrist who was being actively protected by his peers

No, they were actively protecting themselves because of political correctness. You obviously have no idea about all of the knee jerk reaction policies and "classes" soldiers go through with regularity. No one wants allegations leveled at them for calling it like they see it because the top brass has an agenda of the DOD being the example for America to follow with regard to racism, equal opportunity, sexual assault prevention, etc. When someone gets accused of this kind of stuff, it's very much a "guilty until proven innocent" situation. This is almost by necessity because if cooler heads prevailed and they was a degree of "tactical patience" in dealing with these things, suddenly the media and congress starts accusing the military of a cover-up. The whole Army culture is CYA (cover your a$$). Unfortunately it didn't work in this case and it turns out that Hasan's raters were in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position.

Nobody closed ranks around anyone! Also, anyone who is or was an officer knows that NCO's and Officers write their own OERs and NCOERs. The only time there are changes is when the rater or senior rater disagree. Unless someone blatantly and obviously makes something up, the raters usually concur with what was submitted. I promise you, MAJ Hasan filled out the OER support form and the rater just copied it across and signed off on it.

This is similar to the confusion and comedy that preceded the 911 attack. Anytime the Libs rule this happens and then comes the attack. The law enforcement agencies always seem to be caught with their pants down under the Libs and Progressive governments. This is the same damn thing before the 911 attack. Under the Libs and Progressives the FBI, the CIA and other such law enforcement agencies are like rats scrounging for power whilst the security of the country goes to rot.

9/11/2001 happened under conservative rule. 9/11 is a date in SEPTEMBER it is not 911. Try to remember at least that much about the day that should live in infamy.

Yep lets blame someone so we can soothe our ruffled egos. Of course, after we have found someone to blame we can feel safe until it happens again.

So don't engage in the blame game. Its not mandatory.

Patrick Salt Lake City - You were actually baiting a game of blamestorming if you'll read your prior posts. You have just been waiting for a conservative or Republican to cast out some remark. If you suggest "So don't engage in the blame game. Its not mandatory." you may wish to practice what you preach.

This isn't about politics. It is about two agencies (DOD and the FBI) and their inadequate responses to information in their possession. Period.

How about we put the blame where the blame belongs,with the crazed muslim killing more innocent people. This ain't the first one either folks, anyone remember the crazed muslim that threw the grenade in the officers tent?

Hey Japanese man. Japan just bombed Pearl Harbor, we know you say you are loyal to the emperor but you want to join our army? we'll make an officer out of you, we'll pay you better than most other American combat soldiers will ever receive and if you say some crazy stuff, well we'll just say your doing research.

Anyone else see how stupid this sounds? I can't believe his immediate superiors would have allowed this man to even walk the streets much less stay in the army!?!? WTF? One more thing, why is this man still alive? why couldn't he have died "on the way to the hospital"????

If he had been a Baptist, would we need to eradicate them all? How about catholic? Buddist? To judge ALL muslims (there are more muslims in the world, than any other religion, or did you forget that one?) by the actions of a few is idiotic, moronic, and generally disgraceful. I thank god (notice I am a christian, not a muslim) that people like you calling on the government to get rid of all muslims, are not in the seat of power. I love the idea from Conservatives that complain that allowing healthcare to be available to all is Fascism, but it is ok to round up an entire religion and exterminate them as the American thing to do! Talk about Fascism at it's best. Remember Hitler and his attempt to remove a religion from the face of this earth?

I don't want to remove all religion from the world, just the idiots that believe that it is ok for them to KILL US if we don't believe what they believe! I don't see any Baptists or Catholics or Buddists that have in there founding documents that they need to kill every non believer. Live with a snake and you are going to get bit, kill the snake and problem solved....

I have worked with many Muslims in the past, none have ever tried to kill me, because I am a christian, and didn't believe in Islamic Law. Again I make the point. You can't condemn every Muslim on the actions of the few (comparably). Every religion has its fanatics, and Muslims, Baptists, Catholics, Buddhists, Jews, and almost every other religion have theirs. The bible has its violent side, but most Christians know this is a message of the past. The same applies for the quran and Muslims. MOST don't believe they need to kill those who do not believe as they do. The extremists always use the holy world of their faith to justify their actions in a warped sense of justice. Different faith, same message for extremists. To not recognize this fact is to bury your head in the sand and cut off your nose to spite your face.

Before you start accusing me of being in bed with the Muslims, let me point out a few facts here for you. As most who have seen my posts in the past know, I am a Vietnam Veteran, having served proudly in the US Army. I was willing to lay my life down for the freedoms in this country and signed a blank check to the American people to protect those freedoms. I didn't specify that they had to believe as I did. I was willing to lay my life on the line to protect every citizen of the United States and their rights. I am pretty sure if you talk to most active duty military they will say the same thing. There are no conditions to the blank check they wrote to the American public. The Constitution "Guarantees" the right to religious freedom. To deny that to ANY US citizen, who is practicing their religion in peace, upon our shores, is a slap in the face to any who has worn the uniform in the service to the United States of America, and is a spit on the graves of all those who have honored that blank check, when it was cashed by the people of the United States of America, and gave their lives for them.

It isn't the canard of "political correctness", a right wing talking point, it is incompetence and negligence. There is a rather large middleground between profiling and legitimate suspicion and investigation. The FBI was "afraid"? Is that all you folks understand, fear?

If you are a vet, then you would know problems are transferred. The Navy is notorious about transferring problem people.

Paul, let me take a WILD guess. You have never been in the MILITARY. It is a whole different world which unless you have served its hard to imagine, let alone believe. It is not a right wing talking point. It is a stupid feel good idea that has caused alot of grief. It does exist and can END your career in a heart beat. And stop with the they only want to promote fear. We in the military know all to well what REAL fear is. Something of which you will never understand. If you cannot add anything worthwhile to the conversation go back to playing in the sandbox. some of here would like to have a decent conversation.

So fear again. You're afraid for your career so you let your fellow servicemen get killed on American soil. Such bravery should surely be rewarded by the military.

Paul...shhhh, the big people are talking.

Paul, I and many others frequently put their careers on the line for my brothers. Sooner or later, the leaders that only care about their career will prevail, as they have mastered the rank-climbing ladder game. I even violated some pretty serious laws and standards on-post frequently, because they were stupid, and ended-up costing the victims of the Ft. Hood massacre their lives. Maj. Hasan woudn't have been so lucky in my neck of the woods if I was still in and happened to be at a Soldier Readiness Center with him, although the odds are in favor of those who want to exploit the lax Force Protection Posture on any military base.

Big in their own minds. Negligence kills.

Salt Grass it's not only prevelant in the Navy and Army is throughout the Armed Services...

@all re this being a left wing/right wing event...stop the madness...this is a "it could be your loved one" , "why did the DoD and FBI let this go" and "what's being accomplished to prevent this type of slip through the cracks" event

Gulfwar9091, let ME take a guess. You have been enlisted in the military in some position and think you know what goes on at the brass level. I am a retired JAG and Paul is 100% correct, "It isn't the canard of "political correctness", a right wing talking point, it is incompetence and negligence." All your baloney about how everyone has to be PC is total hogwash. I have prosecuted and discharged blacks, hispanics, orientals and whites. The military only cares about performance. If your performance is unsatisfactory, you get discharged. If you violate the UCMJ, you get a court-martial or Article 15. The "PC" you're talking about is the annual EEO briefing that warns rednecks to mind their speech and conduct. It doesn't say to ignore unsat conduct by minorities.

Thank you, sir.

Mocha68. I agree, but the Navy is the worse about it. When I served in the AF the goof ups can the sun and tan option in Vietnam. If you were good or lucky you got Florida.

Big John-623659 You are correct...... Myself spent few years in the Military... at one time I was based in France at the Fort d'Ivry Ivry France... in March or April, 1963 while walking from one building to an other one around 06:00 I heard a volee of rifles........ that morning they had an execution for a former officer of the French Army.......... Bastien Thiry was no more. It was done a week or ten days after his judgment of guilty for failure to duty. French are sometime a little crazy, but derelection or failure to duty are very serious offense and taking care very quickly. In the US we are way to slow in the process or action of justice. Many cases are dragging for one or two decades before anything is done.

Bush was still in office in 2009. Three weeks of it.

Obama was sworn into office on January 20, 2009

So now you do admit that you were wrong.

Does it really matter people? I mean come on, it wouldn't of mattered if the pope was the prez! It only matters that we failed, we all failed and the muslim radicals scored another victory over us. It will happen again, it's only a matter of time! Maybe not this exact incident but another victory for the crazed radical thugs of islam. They are more dedicated then us, they are willing to do anything.

Indeed, President Obama was sworn in in 2009. This major was under suspicion while he was in medical training and the reporting says that was in 2003, just to put a fact or two out there.

I thought we were working on the "failure to communicate" problems within or intelligence agencies, but apparently not. The main culprit here is the military - you know, those folks who noticed that this man had some serious radical leanings and behaved in unacceptable ways. Never employed in the medical field, but I've heard more people than here in this comment section who are in the field, and they say that doctors are the very best at covering for their fellow doctors.

The irony of this mass murderer is he was a psychiatrist. Talk about the loonies running the asylum!

You wrote that Bush was not in office in 2009. You were wrong.

The military's own negligence created the Fort Hood massacre.

And, the investigation was going on during Bush's administration. Be careful how you assign blame, Stephanie, because that cuts deeper the other way. The fact is that this situation should not have been allowed to fester.

Paul, Now that DADT has been repealed. Please join the Navy and at least try and make yourself a MAN.

It didn't appear to have worked for you.

The fact of who was president at the time really matters?

Paul-977599 is 100% correct. The military didn't know on HOW to handle the mistake.. They knew about it and didn't act and correct the error in due time. Too many people to blame and NOT enough time.

Spent seven years in a Military HQ..... every six months we had a HOT potatoe in ours laps.....

Known many.... can't release ONE !

Paul, Come on tell everyone the truth, You cant handle life so you hide behind your keypad. I am cofident about my sexuality I and my Beautiful wife and Grandchildren are confident also. Just think of how much of a better person you would be if you became a real man and not a keyboard queen.( no offense to the ladies) You have no grounds to slam a system in which you were not part of. Yes you could question because you didn't understand. But do not come across as being so all and knowing when you were NEVER THERE>

If Fort Hood is the fault of Obama because it occurred under his watch, then 9/11 was Bush's fault because it also happened under his watch. It's the same illogic. Neither makes sense.

You are working with insufficient intelligence.

I too am hostile to political correctness. I like to call right-wing a**holes, fascist a**holes. But all of this is irrelevant.

Big John, the retired JAG, had the sensible comment on the PC issue. What happened in all this is the same thing that happened in the run-up to 9-11. No one talked to anyone else about what each party had discovered and what it might mean and what should be done. This is the problem the Dept. of Homeland Security was supposed to address and solve. But HS has turned out to be no more than a giant boondoggle, a huge slush fund that does little but occasionally exercise unconstitutional powers and shovel money around. What we need is something like a Security Coordinator with x number of clerks who monitor data from police and security agencies and check to see that one knows what the other is finding out. Over then would be _a few— administrators, a couple of which have the power to fire and strip pensions from security people who fail to communicate information to one another. Something like this wouldn't "solve" the problem, which is unsolvable, but it should improve things a bit.

Now somebody will no doubt squeal that these "clerks" will have access to sensitive information. So what? This too is a problem that can't be completely solved, but it can be mitigated: simply apply the same standards when hiring them as when hiring FBI personnel.

I must admit to being surprised at how quickly this vine became little more than a session for traded insults. The funny thing is that while DOD, FBI, and the service in question failed, the greatest blame belongs to Hasan himself. I've dealt with more than my share of bureaucratic inertia and the NIH syndrome, and with the fear too many people have of rocking the boat when sensitive issues and groups are involved. Can we not simply take a breath and recognize that we need to fix the problem, rather than the blame?

O'Bama? Isn't that more trouble than it is worth?

Really? What does O'Bama even mean?

Joe B.....you make a good point, it is the responsibility of both the Military Command and FBI. It was totally unnecessary to diminish the office and the President of the US in making your point. His name is Barack Hussein Obama...President Obama to you.

No, no, guys! Haven't you heard?! O'Bama was born in IRELAND (everyone knows that Hawaiian birth certificate is FAKE) and is a secret member of the IRA!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself . . . .

It was totally unnecessary to diminish the office and the President of the US in making your point. His name is Barack Hussein Obama...President Obama to you.

He was actually pretty fair towards the guy.

Thank you Gingerbread Mamma...can't even begin to say how disappointed I am that people are so disrespectful. I can understand criticizing the president--freedom of speech and all that--but you can criticize someone respectfully, you know.

As for those who blame every muslim out there...let me tell you, I know plenty of muslims and they happen to be upstanding citizens who love our country...not every muslim is a terrorist. Intolerance in any form breeds fear and hatred, wheather that intolerance is for a religion like Islam which everyone believes is evil in and of itself or that intolerance is by Islamic extremist who believe that anyone not muslim doesn't deserve to live. What's the difference, pray tell? If any judgement is going to be involved, then people should be judged by their actions alone.

Having said that, this man's actions clearly showed him to be a threat and he should have been treated as such, regardless of race or religion. That was a failure of his superiors and the FBI and that is where the blame goes. This has nothing to do with being a liberal or a conservative. Let's keep the focus on the real issue and discuss this like adults.

Thank you.

GuitKitty

"No, no, guys! Haven't you heard?! O'Bama was born in IRELAND (everyone knows that Hawaiian birth certificate is FAKE) and is a secret member of the IRA!"

FUNNY!

Thank you, AnaBanana. It was just too easy to pass up.

Negligence and incompetence isn't PC. Give that stupidity up.

I suppose you think OJ was released to reign a limited terror for negligence instead of `passive fear`. I suppose you believe the worst possible blow to american industry was not the passage of the 1964 civil rights act and that lincoln was well within his rights to urinate all over the constitution. people like you will be the first at the wall when the inevitable revolution comes- good.

Paul, this would have been a PC nightmare. Imagine discharging him based on his religoius preferences. The brass at Fort Hood would have been ground up in the media. ACLU lawsuits. Thousands of other discharged service members clamoring for cash based on religious discharge. Sorry to say, PC paralysis is abslutely correct. Everyone wants equality and no racial profiling. Yet, in hindsight, if that is what would have been done in this case, 35 lives would have been saved. This coward took 35 lives and wounded many others so he could have a suicide by cop and become a hero to his radical muslim pals. I totally agree that the FBI and DOD should share info on stuff like this. But, as stated above, it takes this happening for the rules to change from what they are to what the should be. Its sad. But lawyers make the world go round. One of them would have sued the military over his discharge. And the radical muslim would have won because the military just didn't understand his right to freedom of religion.

And let's face it, him being "Muslim" wasn't the problem. It's moronic to argue religion caused him do this. The unstable person had to exist before he misinterpreted his religion to justify this crap.

I know it's fashionable to lay blame on the huge population of brown people who wear turbans and practice Islam, but it's like any other stereotype - stupid.

latexlatina, he killed thirteen people. Not thirty-five. Just so you know.

And there may have been some, "Oooh, he's Muslim, it's gonna look bad if we go after him." But I think that would have been overwhelmed by the, "He's been radicalized and he needs to be dealt with." I agree with a previous poster that it was most likely incompetence and lack of cooperation between agencies that caused the most harm.

GuitKitty, you're correct. But, only after the fact. If anything had been done before the assault, his religion would have become the primary focus even if it wasn't.

GuitKitty, You're right on the 13, not 35. My bad.

But you are dead wrong if you think that had he been discharged due to his actions and having became a radical muslim that there would not have been a political, media and lawsuit fed sh!t storm of epic proportions. Had the FBI shared intel with the DOD and they used this to discharge him, it would have been labeled a muslim witch-hunt. I have a feeling you'd be arguing for his rights had this happened. It didn't so your taking the other tack and going after the military for not doing it. Hind sight truly is 20/20. And some people actually think their farts smell ok.

Hindsight is never 20/20 in a world which disallows subpoena empowered and security clearanced investigations. "Plausible deniability" rules the roost.

latexlatina - well said and exactly my point - "PC" ended up costing 35 lives PLUS survivors! I'd bet a pay check the thought went through somebody's mind "what if this guy claims harassment"? Though no mention of that is in this article or report that was generated.

The media, ACLU, "do-gooder's", lawyers, etc... would have turned this into a multi-bazillion dollar court circus to extort more money from us tax payers if he'd have been outed. I blame them as much as anything for this tragedy!!!

Total crap. the government had the power to swat down any suit alleging harassment with one simple filing. STATE SECRET exemption. CASE closed!

sorry Paul - don't you believe it for a minute.... ALSO just look at the direction/stance the U.S.-A.G. and Administration has taken against military personnel, CIA, ETC! Our system has become completely vapor locked with goodie two shoes!!

LMAO

Redneck nyou are a real moron. Read this DA,

Internal Army reports indicate officers within the Army were aware of Hasan's tendencies toward radical Islam since 2005. Additionally, investigations before and after the shooting discovered e-mail communications between Hasan and Yemen-based cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who quickly declared Hasan a hero, as "fighting against the U.S. army is an Islamic duty". After communications between the two were forwarded to FBI terrorism task forces in 2008, they determined that Hasan was not a threat prior to the shooting and that his questions to al-Awlaki were consistent with medical research.

This happened on your hero's watch. Obama wasn't President in 2005.

You brain dead Republicans are always quick to blur the edges of reality.

I'll bet you have illusions that the current economic conditions of the country are Obama's fault as well. LMAO

The likes of you and your beloved Party are the biggest threat this country faces today. Albeit a domestic threat, but nonetheless a bigger threat than Al Queada.

The dumbing down of America is what you are.

latexlatina, your feeling about me is wrong. If I read an article that said a person had been discharged from the military because he had become radicalized I most definitely wouldn't be "arguing for his rights". In fact, I probably would be wondering, like someone above said, why he wasn't in prison if he was such a danger. In fact, when this first came out there was some speculation that his motive had more to do with the fact that he was scared and didn't want to be shipped overseas, to which I replied "Well, he shouldn't have joined the military, then".

I just happen to think that life is complicated and no amount of screaming "PC paralysis!" is going to get to the root of our problems. Clearly some political correctness came into it when a fellow soldier was wary of reporting Hasan's behaviours because he was afraid he would be accused of discrimination. But it might be that if fewer people were saying things like some of the above about Muslims all being shipped back to the Middle East, there wouldn't be the urge by others to protect them, or the overzealous "protections" that some people claim when they try to be politically correct.

There is nothing PC about incompetence and negligence.

Its alright Paul. We know you are one of the reasons that P.C. exists today. You do not have to be so angry about it, That is unless you feel guilty for causing all the grief on the rest of us.

And guess what, you, me, and the rest of the American population allowed it by electing the same kinds of politicians over and over again who promote this kind of crap in the military.

Paul, are you aware that PC training is actually institutionalized in the military? The Chain of Command must periodically conduct PC training, sensitivity training, and every other socialist experimental policy that only the military has the discipline to follow. It totally cuts into and distracts from real training, like performing your METL tasks (Mission-Essential Task Lists), marksmanship, physical fitness, first aid, small unit tactics, ingress/egress operations depending in your units mobility scheme, leadership development, etc. There actually is PC paralysis. It is a very tangible problem that warfighters have to deal with on a day-to-day basis, and it spills into operational theaters, making soldiers more vulnerable to the incompetence of the leadership climate. We need a military that kills and exports violence better than anyone else, not a bunch of panzies that tickle each other.

Hindsight is 20/20 - Half the military and a quarter of the Nation is thinking about eliminating Obama over the GAY RIGHTS issue - who do you preemptively arrest???? Islam is a fraudulent, violent cult (Mohammed was not a descendant of Abraham [see modern genetic testing] as claimed, but rather needed the help of the Medina Jews to attack Mecca). Islam will overwhelm a sleeping West once it has a nuclear arsenal.

@littlewolf
We agree on something. The use of information and intelligence rather than knee-jerk reactions based on the bigotry of the moment is definitely not right-wing. But does that make it socialist? Only someone who understands the "incompetence of the leadership climate" can say for sure.

So what does him being Muslim have to do with anything? That's one thing people seem to answer other than "he was muslim, PC protected him"....no...he was a person known to be unstable to start with.

geez...some people need everything spelled out for them!

If Hasan was "unstable to start with" (as you say), then he never should have been allowed into the military.

HOWEVER, because of rampant PC, he was able to join the military AND get promoted even though he was UNSTABLE!

Being muslim has everything to do with a radicalized muslim shooting/killing innocents in the name of allah! Duh!

Blaming political correctness has become the catch-all answer here, apparently. Though nobody quite states why it's the problem in this instance. That in itself is practically as bad as justifying the whole shooting.

I am in agreement. "Crazy" is not a defense! Their holy book states many times, in several different ways; "Put the infidel to the sword!" I'm pretty sure that does not mean dub him a Knight!

this is the second time that a muslim in the army thats killed american service men. when are they going to check there backround befor they give a gun.