Okay...

The Teapublicans have had their 'dog & pony' show - do you think maybe NOW they'll focus on J O B S?

Thanks to the Dem's for finally showing they have a 'pair' and standing united!

Warner and Lieberman...

If the symbolics are done with now, can we get on with jobs.

"United, Senate Dems defeat health care repeal measure"

As was expected. Supreme Court, - here it comes!

"The vote to repeal health care is largely symbolic, because the Supreme Court is going to have to be the one to decide this matter,” Nelson said in a statement. “We ought to do the right thing and ask the High Court to rule quickly so we don’t keep arguing over this for the next several years.”

With all of the uncertainty swirling around HCR, and the planning that everyone needs to start for its implementation (or not), it should be expedited by the Supreme Court so the issue can be settled quickly.

Havng access to a health care plan is not about socialism or a liberal notion! Its about taking care of our people like we make sure we take care of all of the foreigners!

repealing the healthcare sham would do more for jobs than just about anything else they could do...short of cutting corporate taxes. Forcing insurers to cover people who are already sick and covering a bunch of worthless 18-26 year olds is running up the cost for everyone else...where I work that increase is 50%...which means we have to lay off 12.5% of the workforce to break even. Why do I say that the 18-26 year olds are worthless you may ask...because college kids were already eligible to stay on their parents' plan, people serving in the military are covered, whose left? Young adults to lazy or dumb for college or gainful employment with benefits and to self-interested to join the military. As a group they are living in ther parents basement, working at mcdonalds, smoking pot, and watching porn...thank goodness they are now covered...at the expense of 12.5% of my fellow employees. What a great system.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL "Okay... The Teapublicans have had their 'dog & pony' show - do you think maybe NOW they'll focus on J O B S? "

Do you mean like the Democrats did over the last 2 years, while the Republicans have only one-third of control of government for less than one month, and you're already criticizing them?

Thanks for the laugh.

They would not have a pair if all the Dems combined their efforts. Of course they stood together, individually they are spineless...soon to be jobless...

Well said from the Land of Lincoln and Obama land. I do hope you are enjoying your recent 60% increase in State of IL income taxes passed by your liberal comrades. Perhaps, next for your friends and family members is seeing a huge increase in your health care premiums, due to ObamaCare, and when you decide to not purchase health care due to costs, you are then hunted down by the IRS and penalized. You no longer have to worry about your mortgage payments, utility bills, gas in your car or putting food on the table because Obama and his friends are going take care of every little financial worry that you have by taking from those that produce in this country to give to those that dont product but can due to choice. Jon

The Democrats defeated the bill - but they are now on record --- again --- as having voted for the unconstitutional debacle that is called Obamacare. Guess how many democrats are likely to be left in Congress after 2014?

I would say that this will mean a republican majority as of 2012 in the Senate, possibly a supermajority, definitely a supermajority after 2014.

Yes.. The vote that Harry Ried Said would never happen. happened. Well. Go figure..

Soggy, apolitical sources state that the health care law minimally impacts jobs. So that's merely a GOP talking point.

obviously 2 dems because there are 47 republicans in the senate.

Gee Roy..you did not mention any of those sources...its impacting jobs where I work and where my friends work...while that may be a small sampling I can hardly see how it could be different everywhere else.

A major step in coercing companies to start hiring again and to create jobs is to repeal major sections of this abortion of a healthcare bill, which clearly most of the people responding negatively to the repeal atttempt, haven't read and/or don't understand. Wake up people!

Where was the Corporate-Socialist Democrats in creating J O B S ..in first 2 years?

WHERES ALL THOSE "GREEN JOBS?

or was it ploy to keep the U.N. Bankers whom are selling us this GREAT BIG GREEN LIE money flowing as they are all heavily invested in OPEC!

NAZIonalized HELLCARE IS NOTHING BUT = SELLING AMERICAN PPL OUT TO "BIG > PHARMA" --> YOU WILL PAY FOR THINGS YOU DONT NEED TO JUSTIFY BIG PHARMA'S > PRODUCTION....& MIGHT NOT BE COVERED FOR WHAT YOU DO NEED IF "lack of" PRODUCTION > DICTATES so ...

We have worked out entire life and always paid for our health insurance.. Now that we are retired, the cost of our health insurance (to be 100 per cent covered) is so high that we are just trying to keep our heads above water.... thats means no going out to have a good time and a vacation is just a distant dream.... The present health care farse has caused the decent hard working people of America to have to do without all the pleasures that we looked forward to in our retirement... Now we just get by.... Yes, no cost of living raise on a civil service retirement, no cost of living raise on Social Security. Then they raise our taxes and our insurance... Gee, we go into this year losing $80.00 a month.... I know there are Thousands of others out there just like us..... Well, I sure hope that all of those that voted for a CHANGE, are happy, because this is just one of your changes that really sucks...

Karen..love the post...but get off my lawn. Most states, if not all, heavily regulate insurance carriers and coverages. While we may well have different co-pays we both have coverage for mental illness treatment...required of all plans in nearly every state. Likewise, in the past 30 years I have lived in four states each of which requires carriers to cover college students 25 and under. I can speak for every state but I suspect its that way in every state. The fact that 63% of 18-25 year olds are working at dead end jobs tells me that we should have a whole lot more solders, marines and airmen. I just can see a person fettering their life away at mcdonalds rather than serving their country...its fine if they dont want to but I should not have to lose my job, which fortunately I have not yet, to provide them with health insurance.

As for your saving jobs through ARRA...that is really too funny...let us not forget that when Obama took office unemployment was still under 7%...he promised ARRA would keep it from going over 8%...ARRA saved sooo many jobs that we have been 18 months with unemployment over 9.4% ...a true success story...it would make a great children's book.

For our great Social programs, Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, Civil Rights Act and more, you can thank the Democrats. FDR, Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey & now Obama. While the Radical-Right, Regressive, Red-Neck, Racist Republicans hate Social programs they are the first ones to get down on their knees and slurp from the Public Troughs. They only want them for themselves.

Government cannot create jobs, stop asking them to do it.

To everyone saying 'Where are the jobs' may I remind you it took the Dems 4 years to raise the unemployment from 4.6% at the end of 2006 to 9.4% at the end of 2010. May I also remind you that the DEMS controlled BOTH houses of Congress for those 4 years. And as we all know it is the Congress that makes the Budgets. Well sometimes. We don't a Budget for Fiscal 2011,just Continuing Resoulitions.

Obama must stop the implementation of this unconstitutional law until the Supreme Court rule. Obamacare was repeal in the House for a big majority , Republicans and Democrats. Obama is ignoring one more time the voice of the people and the rule of Florida Courtin favor of 25 States. 2012 is coming, tic, tac, tic, tac.

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it's free!

Unconstitutional???? Oh well, Our "leader" wants it so we don't care, screw you America we know whats best for you. Sincerely, Spineless Dems.

They obviously have no intention (or are incapable of) of learning from their massive mid-term election losses, hopefully the rest will be removed in 2014.

@KarenPage - correct. I am a Republican and the Repubs have had 2 years to plan on what they would do about jobs. Repubs still don't have a plan, just because they say they have one then were is it.

@Roy Wilson - So yes even I am yelling to the Repubs where are the jobs. My wife has been out of work for a year with a Masters Degree and the Repubs were going to cut the Unemployment checks.

Also I am no getting denied Insurance from BCBS that I have had for years and now they are saying they won't pay for my Dr's visits, Diabetes, etc. Telling me it is Pre-existing as Obama has said they would do.

Look Obama stepped in and saved not only the US Auto Industry but all the companies that supply them with everything. Auto Industry is 40% of our GNP. Repubs were saying No to that.

Who paid out the most money to try and kill the HCB, Hmm it was the Insurance Companies that would loose billions and I used to do medical billing and saw it all the time.

Quit with the rhetoric and do the fact finding.

Karen Page

If the Dems spent the better part of two years working on jobs, then a) they must be awfully ineffective because the unemployment rate hasn't significantly changed in almost 18 months, b) there hasn't been an increase in construction, building permits, or registered projects since the 2008 figures came in.

The Health Care Law is a job killer and it is unconstitutional; it will be repealed or struck down by the courts. As far as jobs, that is your responsibility; the government is not an employment agency. In this country you are free, free to get a job, or free to fail to get a job. If the unions have run the jobs overseas, don't blame the government; the government just needs to stay out of the way, and lower the national debt.

Karen- here's your sign, er, I mean, source:

What's that you say? You didn't KNOW that most people in America OPPOSE the Health Care Plan??? News to you, you say?? Yeah... only the NY Times poll has anyone in favor (go figure...). You can apologize now- we'll wait.

tap... tap...

So GOP, what are your plans for jobs now?

*chirp chirp chirp*

"Now let's try to limit abortion funding!"

slodon -

And now the republicans in the House get to try to clean up the mess that Pelosi left when the democrats refused to do their jobs peoperly.

Come on Bryant, I likewise am waiting for that poll. Last one I saw:

41% for complete repeal

40% for no repeal

19% for tweaking the law

Maybe Bryant polled his family to get his idea the majority wanted the healthcare law repealed....maybe the same one John Boehner used to make his statement "we are carrying out the will of the people" He's from my district, I once worked in his office as a staffer and I can attest to his stupidity....he sold out to the insurance companies long ago.

obamacare is a JOBS KILLER - and this administration is a train wreck - obama and the union's will be the end of us all

80% of Americans want this health care bill to continue, if not to progress. Yes that means the American public are FOR Obamacare. Give it up! It is passed! It is now time to improve the bill and work on JOBS!

I think that last cold front killed off Feistys last two brain cells that were on life support. And no, I'm not a teabagger, just a moderate who is getting tired of some of the childish B.S. by the regulars. I feel that portions of the HCB are valid and can be used, however my premiums went up 25% this year as well and are projected to rise another 50% by the year 2014. On another matter I wish the best for all of you suffering through this brutal winter.

Ins. Co. & CEO With 2008 Total CEO Compensation

• Aetna, Ronald A. Williams: $24,300,112
• Cigna, H. Edward Hanway: $12,236,740
• Coventry, Dale Wolf: $9,047,469
• Health Net, Jay Gellert: $4,425,355
• Humana, Michael McCallister: $4,764,309
• U. Health Group, Stephen J. Hemsley: $3,241,042
• Wellpoint, Angela Braly: $9,844,212

That's over $68 million of our health care premiums skimmed off just for the CEO's of these 7 companies.

You think a government-run system would be worse? The President of the United States made $400,000 last year.

MA

The bill is Unconstitutional. States are now telling the Federal Govt they will not Enforce a Bill that is Unconstittuional.

Glenn Beck...Rush Limbaugh.....ever wonder why the tea baggers always support the pundents who have a history of drug abuse and no education beyond high school?

Gee Steve, are you a U. S. Supreme Court Judge? Everyone on this thread who claims this law is unconstitutional conveniently forgot about two other state supreme courts have ruled it is constitutional. So far, looks like a tie to me.

I just have to laugh at all the republicans who are screaming about how they have to buy health insurance when all in Massachusetts have had no choice but to do just that or lose most of their tax return to the state and guess who did that? Wait for it Mitt Romney!! Last I knew he was a republican!!

So explain to me why it is ok for us in Mass but not for the rest of the country.

That's over $68 million of our health care premiums skimmed off just for the CEO's of these 7 companies.

Thanks for posting that! The aftermath of the storm has left my internet service rather 'spotty' and I appreciate you for pointing that out!

Bill,

Ever wonder how so many uneducated people are getting by in this world without the help of the govt.

Amazing, So many people pay for an Education from a far Left leaning Education System and they cant find work, or have become Victims of the liberal propoganda machine, Seems all these Educated people depend on the Govt more then the Uneducated people. Care to explain?

The POTUS may have made 400,000 last year. Too bad he probably spent 400,000,000!

"The Teapublicans have had their 'dog & pony' show - do you think maybe NOW they'll focus on J O B S?"
With apolitical sources predicting both sides of the spectrum, from this being a job killer to doing little to magically creating jobs, the Republicans are basing their votes on the most reliable of the information. Based on that information and common sense understanding of company revenue, they feel that this IS a vote focusing on J O B S. Since Obama has had to grant more than 250 waivers to companies, basically repeals of his own healthcare law, his own actions are siding with Republicans, even as his words do not.
To those claiming this bill does not cost jobs, Obama repealed the law for these companies to avoid already more than fifty thousand layoffs. To those claiming this bill does not cost coverage, Obama repealed the law for these companies to prevent the 1.5 million who were losing coverage because of the law's provisions. So basically, to those who claim apolitical sources show this bill won't cost jobs, are you serious?
I lost healthcare because of this bill. Not every company that applied for a waiver has received one yet. Fifteen thousand of us in the Bay Area in this one company have until the end of March to receive the waiver or we also lose our jobs. I can't afford healthcare, and the bill tries to take away the choice between putting food on the table and having insurance. Obviously if I have to choose one, I'm choosing to eat, making me choose insurance instead isn't "providing" me with anyway, especially since the bill makes the coverage MORE expensive. The people who so readily support this bill without reading it, without even looking at any of the facts behind it, they should be ashamed.
The Republicans have it right, they're focusing on jobs and the economy, while also pushing to replace Obamacare with a bill that requires the ability to be covered with pre-existing conditions as well as families being covered together until the age of twenty-six, the things Democrats are pretending Republicans are trying to end even though these are Republican proposals. Have to wonder, since the things they're attacking Republicans for are the only things Republicans actually like in the bill, how bad must the bill be that they avoid mentioning all of the other pages.

Steve, whether the bill is unconstitutional or not is NOT for you to decide. What I want to know is what the replacement bill is that the Republicans had in mind. We are still waiting!! If it is anything what Paul Ryan put forth to replace Medicare with - ie - 75% of Medicare will have to be paid by benficiaries. I for one do not want what they are peddling. I will stay with Obama and have my pre existings thrown out, my daughter or son on my policy until some corporation will take responsibility and provide some insurance plan for these young adults. I will go with Obama and not have my plan cancelled just because I used it or have children have pre existings. I will go with Obama and not have to pay with my premiums so that the poor and the middle class have to go into an emergency room to get the ONLY health care they will ever get, only to find out that ER care is deplorable anyway. Steve, do you really think that letting insurance companies sell their overpriced product across state lines is really going to help the American public? How about let's make those policies portable. Do you really think that is going to have any effect on any of the issues prior? Nope, not at all! I will go with Obama!!!

KarenPage - All insurance plans work the same when it comes to dependent healthcare coverage because PPACA (i.e., Obamacare) now requires that all group health insurance plans cover dependents between the age of 19 - 26 (effective 1/1/11).

With respect to "find me a non-FOX/GOP poll that supports a mandate to repeal healthcare", you make no sense. For all intents and purposes, we have two political parties in the US - Democrats and Republicans. So, you're basically saying "find me a Democratic poll that supports repeal of healthcare". Duh! How do you think a Democrat is going to vote?

90% of our population only hears that Obamacare will cover all of the uninsureds, eliminate pre-existing conditions and reduce healthcare costs. What they don't hear is that, starting in 2014, most employer-sponsored healthcare insurance will go away. At that point in time, any employer can elect to pay a $2,000/employee penalty to not provide healthcare coverage to their employees. Given that most employers currently pay about $7,000/employee in annual healthcare costs, it's a no-brainer. Good luck with your state insurance exchange coverage at that point.

so Soggy thinks all our 18-25 year olds should join the military instead of working at McDonalds. So, they should all work for the government and we the taxpayer can pay them, provide health care for them and their families (sometimes even their exspouse as well), and house many of them in taxpayer funded housing. And since many of them will become career military then they will be on the taxpayer payroll for the rest of their lives. Sounds almost socialist if you ask me. I think I would rather that McDonalds foot some of those costs while they are young and working their way through college. And let corporate America take care of them from there.

Karen Page___You are exactly right the Democrats did stimulate jobs, for the auto worker union and the carpenters union, IBEW and the plunbers/pipefitters unions but where are the jobs for the real workers in this country other than the stimulated illegals?

How many jobs were greated while Bush era tax cuts were in place previously?

Can any of the naysayers of Health Services Reform state the 5 or 6 major parts of the legislation and the impact on themselves personally? Ignorance from the ignorant and political malice from "pee party" opportunists. An un or under- educated electorate is democracy's greatest enemy.

And, soggy says that college students can ALREADY stay on their parents' insurance policies. Know why that is? Because it's one of the provisions of the health care reform bill that has already taken effect.

See, even soggy can find something to love in Obamacare. Don't knock it 'til you've tried it!

Steve,

Latest Bureau of labor statistics: Unemployment Rates for December, 2010

Education less the high school level .....14.9%

High school level education......10.3%

College Level Graduate or higher......4.7%

My guess, there's a lot more uneducated people drawing unemployment right now that those with a college education

Where's your stats to support your comments?

Roy Wilson: If I recall the Republicans had control of the House and Senate for six years. What did they do? They deregulated everything they got their hands on! I predict the Republicans, will loose control of the House in 2011. They are not for the people, of the United States; they are for the money men, who line their pockets with cash.

Wakeup: I smell management all over your post. Unions are the middle class. You and your big bosses, decided not to share their wealth, with the blue collar worker. But middle management people like you, are easily replaced. And you will be soon. Oh "Wake" you might want to try some "No Doze" You obviously are asleep at the switch because you cannot read the mood of our people.

Nobody "repealed" any part of the health care reform bill for any union, large employer or Santa Claus. ONE-YEAR waivers were granted to some large employers and unionized workplaces because 1) they already cover all their workers; 2) their plans meet most if not all of the minimum insurance requirements of the reform bill; and 3) a lot of their employment contracts are established on a 2-year basis and can't be reopened for renegotiation before the bill takes effect.

Screaming "they got theirs repealed" is just mindless ditto-head repetition of something you heard on FOX. Go do some research before you try to establish policy for the rest of us.

Hey, Bill,

Look at how MANY unemployed people there are with a college degree:

The ACTUAL December, 2010 BLS unemployment statistics are:

Less than a high school diploma: 15.3% (1,795,000 unemployed)
HS graduates: 9.8% (3,738,000 unemployed)
Some college or associates degree: 8.1% (2,988,000 unemployed)
Bachelor's degree or higher: 4.8% (2,217,000 unemployed)

That's 5,533,000 unemployed with no college education, and 5,205,000 unemployed with college.

Kind of blows a hole in your theory, eh?

Bryant-2943328

I was really hoping(more like dreaming) that democrats would wake up and realize that us american citizens (US)don't want government controled health care! This health care law that the dems past does nothing but cause higher taxes, make quality of health care lower and gives the government more power.............................. not to mention this health care bill is unconstitutional.

I'm Voting Republican!

We should all just refuse to buy this scam insurance! Why let them force this on us. While other countries are overthrowing their governments, we are allowing this administration to overthrow us. No Way We Can Allow this to Happen.

I will vote Republican as as well.

The liberals are now on record for defying the will of the majority of the people again. The law has been ruled unconstitutional and can not be implemented unless there is a stay by the judge who ruled against it or by the 11th circuit. Obviously 0bummer admin will appeal. If 11th circuit agrees with the judge the 0bummer admin will take it to SCOTUS. SCOTUS could decide at that time that they are not going to hear the case. 0bummercare would then be history. Do I think that is going to happen - no. But as it stands right now 0bummercare is not the law of the land. 2 states (Wisconsin) & (Florida) have stopped all activity to implement 0bummercare. One would think VA & OK have as well since their citizens voted to opt out of 0bummercare in November. More states will follow. In 2012 there are 23 Dems up for election - they just made themselves much easier to beat. in 2013 you can welcome in a Repub Senate and a Repub President. Thanks liberals.

This is great news. Now we can get on with outlawing abortion and something else and something else and something else. Heck, by 2012 we might start working on getting some jobs.

Bring it on @!$%#s - NOT MY PROBLEM YOU CAN'T HANDLE the TRUTH!
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Okay...

The Teapublicans have had their 'dog & pony' show - do you think maybe NOW they'll focus on J O B S?

Thanks to the Dem's for finally showing they have a 'pair' and standing united!

Don't Cry it will be ok

Hey RealAmericansFirst,

You just made my argument stronger.

Total unemployed with college degrees: 2,217,000

Those unemployed with no college degree: 8,521,000

Those with some community college or associate degree...depends on where you want to place them. Some may have taken only a few classes...big deal. That's why I left that group out. Hard to tell how much post high school education they may have had. Limbaugh would indicate he had some college education but he only went one quarter and flunked every class he took.....hardly college educated material. So it's either you earned a college degree or you didn't....that's how I divided them.

AZTrucker: i'm frankly tired of having some politition putting thier nose in my business.

Funny how all you Conservatives LOVE to say keep government out of my business yet want to determine through legislation who can marry, whether women can have access to abortions, etc. I guess you're all totally cool with government intrusion into bedrooms and such but whatever you do DO NOT HELP POOR PEOPLE OR HELP KEEP PEOPLE HEALTHY. that would be a tragedy!

To all the people who think opening up insurances across states lines will keep costs down. WRONG. Three words for you: Medical billing costs. Ask ANYONE who has actually done this work and you'd know that increasing the magnitude of possible insurance plans and insurers to everything available under the sun will only take monumental billing costs and credentialing costs for each and every provider at each office and hospital out there. Guess what happens when providers' overhead eats away any expectation they have of making a living? They stop taking insurances altogether.

Lastly, for everyone screaming about how their premiums have gone up...guess what? They would have without HCR anyway. Haven't you noticed the trend? I'm guessing these increases (or decreases in what's covered if your premiums aren't up) have been going on for awhile. It's been that way for years. THIS is what people are talking about when they say THE CURRENT MODEL (pre-HRC) IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. One of the wonderful things reform does is force insurance companies to actually put a minimum percentage of those premiums toward actual health care! Curses. what communism to make companies do what's actually right by their policy holders! And, take it from someone with experience in dealing with/billing these companies....they won't and don't unless a gun is figuratively head to their heads.

People really need to dig a bit deeper than talking points and see what's actually happening in the provision of health care. Insurance companies are pretty much the evil empires and they get away with it time and time again b/c of people like John Boehner and all the other politicians in their pockets.

I believe I've counted many more than 9 US Supreme Court justices weighing in here claiming the HCR law is unconstitutional. We've noted previously that it's 2-2 in federal district challenges (with VA questionable due to possible conflict of interest). A district is usually not an entire state so Pensacola/Tallahassee go ahead, you can legally say it's unconstitutional. The rest of Florida, it's still the law.

Absent any other district rulings one way or the other, the Northern Florida district court ruling is headed to Atlanta for appeal.

Sen. Nelson notes that this was only a symbolic vote.

What does that have to to do with fast tracking it to the SCOTUS? His claim is to avoid arguing about it for the next several years. The Supreme Court's next term begins in October 2011, only 8 months away not "several years." Besides, how many votes do we have to take showing it's not repealable?

And whose brilliant idea was it to attach it to an unrelated aviation bill? It just gives the Dems a way out of a poorly constructed trap that itself very well may backfire on them come Nov 2012 if present voter trends of HRC approval continue.

Is hilarious that Obama worshipers are demanding for jobs to the new elected majority of Republicans. 2 years had Obama to create jobs, two years of honeymoon with unions attacking to the people that create jobs. The result is 9,5% of unemployment. I'm happy that you now turn to Republicans asking for jobs, there is no doubt that you lost the confidence of this administration to create more jobs. Republicans will focus in jobs , however they must to clean the road first and create confidence for investors who are the ones that risk their money, because not the government , not the labor unions are going to create jobs.

Where did MA188... get the figure that 80% of Americans favor obamacare????!!!!! You must have reversed the facts! What is so scary about this bill is that no one really knows everything it will encompass and all the liberties it will infringe upon! Wake up people obamacare is not just about healthcare! We should all be very afraid! VERY AFRAID!

I love that some liberals are asking what the GOP has done so far, DUH!!! They have only been in power in the house for less than a month!!! The dems had 4 years to do something, and didn't. Give the GOP a chance first. After a year or so if they haven't done anything, then you can complain. but to complain for less than a month is pure idiocracy.but what else is new!

One huge ugly fly in all this legal ointment -- the main provisions of healthcare reform don't go into effect until 2014. Before you can challenge a law or a government action or sue your neighbor over the leavings of his dog, the courts generally like you to show you've actually been injured.

Not sometime in the future. Now.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/30/Under-the-US-Supreme-Court-Will-healthcare-reform-survive-the-courts/UPI-72881296376200/#ixzz1CroJ1GJL

I just have to laugh at all the republicans who are screaming about how they have to buy health insurance when all in Massachusetts have had no choice but to do just that or lose most of their tax return to the state and guess who did that? Wait for it Mitt Romney!! Last I knew he was a republican!!

So explain to me why it is ok for us in Mass but not for the rest of the country.

I'd start with the part about you trying to compare one state (or commonwealth as it were) to the whole of the country, and how different laws apply, and how you're basically comparing apples to watermelons, but what's the point?

The simplest response would be that you can move out of Massachusetts more easily than you can move out of the country.

To all you complaining about "rising premiums due to the new HC bill":

Stop trying to bullsh*t everyone(and yourselves).

The insurance companies have been drastically raising rates WAY before the HC bill was ever set on becoming law.

They now have an excuse to make their clients believe that it's the government/politicians who want to regulate them, that are the ones driving up the costs.

They have been making higher profits each year. They want more profit, so they raise the prices to get more profit.

They can't justify the prices they charge, when they still deny coverage and drop people left and right.

I'm going to post a personal experience of mine and my family, so some of you can see what quality health care should be like(and cost).

Read it.

My son was born in Costa Rica(my wife is Costa Rican).

I paid $900 for a private hospital room/stay, with an LCD flat screen TV on the wall, extra futon bed for myself, and a large private bathroom and dressing area. The hospital threw in a baby photo shoot by a pro photographer. The US trained ObGyn that delivered my son charged me $1200 for himself and his staff(she didn't receive an epidural). That fee included his first pediatric visit.

I was able to cut the cord and be the first to hold my son. My wife and I had the room for 24 hours after delivery, where we privately bonded with our son

Total cost(doctors/nurses and hospital stay) was $2100 for the birth of my son in a hospital that was cleaner and quieter than most US hospitals. I wouldn't have paid anything less than $14,000 for the same service in the US.

My son was also born with pulmonary valve stenosis(a valve in his heart was more than halfway closed and not supplying the normal amount of oxygen needed). It wasn't detected until his first pediatric visit.

Before he was born, I started paying $20 a month to supplement the national health care("socialist" and free) that is in place for Costa Ricans.

My son received valve surgery in the best childrens hospital in Central America(rated # 2 in all of Latin America). His doctors were trained in the US, and all the medical equipment was new/latest technology.

The surgery and hospital stay would have cost over $40,000-$50,000 in the US(it probably cost around $15,000-$18,000 in Costa Rica). I didn't pay a cent of out of pocket cost, I just continued paying the $20 a month supplemental fee.

Our medical services and doctor/hopspital fees in the US, are way over inflated, for the quality of care we recieive.

That "socialist" government regulated(controlled, in most right wingers playbook) medical care, was top notch. It's also more affordable than US health care, for a non citizen paying out of pocket.

People who praise US health care as "the best", and other countries as inferior, haven't experienced the difference for themselves.

Dontcha just love it when the GOP serves up that whiny garbage about "the Dems had a supermajority" and it was just "poor-little-powerless-GOP" for the last 2 years? (Assuming they don't try to rewrite history and stretch it out to 4 years like Robert Eagle here.)

Remember the GOP threw up every roadblock, filibuster, dirty trick and secret hold they could think of so that EVERY bill had to have a 60-vote margin to pass.

So let's take a look at that big, bad "super-majority", shall we:

January 3, 2009 - 111^th Congress sworn in. 55 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2 Independents, 2 vacant.

January 15, 2009 - Roland Burris sworn in to Barack Obama's seat. 56 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2 Independents, 2 vacant.

April 30, 2009 – Arlen Specter changes parties. 57 Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2 Independents, 1 vacant.

July 7, 2009 – Al Franken seated. 58 Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2 Independents. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE DEMOCRATS HAD A SHOT AT A 60-VOTE MAJORITY.

August 25, 2009 – Teddy Kennedy dies. Kennedy had missed 97% of the votes in 2009 and over 90% in the last half of 2008. 57 Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2 Independents, 1 vacant.

September 25, 2009 – Paul Kirk appointed to Teddy Kennedy's seat. 58 Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2 Independents. TTHIS IS THE SECOND TIME THE DEMOCRATS HAD A SHOT AT A 60-VOTE MAJORITY.

February 4, 2010 – Scott Brown sworn in to replace Paul Kirk. 57 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2 Independents.

June 28, 2010 – Robert Byrd dies. Byrd had missed over 90% of the votes in 2010 and almost 50% in 2009 due to illness. 56 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2 Independents, 1 vacant.

November 29, 2010 - Mark Kirk sworn in to replace Roland Burris. 56 Democrats, 42 Republicans, 2 Independents.

So that “huge, overwhelming super-majority”? It existed only for a total of 6 months AND only during two periods when Teddy Kennedy and/or Robert Byrd were unable to vote.

So what did the 111th Congress manage to accomplish?:

• January 29, 2009: Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-2

• February 4, 2009: Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act (SCHIP), Pub.L. 111-3

• February 17, 2009: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA), Pub.L. 111-5

• March 11, 2009: Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009, Pub.L. 111-8

• March 30, 2009: Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-11

• April 21, 2009: Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, Pub.L. 111-13

• May 20, 2009: Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-21

• May 20, 2009: Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-22

• May 22, 2009: Weapon Systems Acquisition Reform Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-23

• May 22, 2009: Credit CARD Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-24

• June 22, 2009: Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, as Division A of Pub.L. 111-31

• June 24, 2009: Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2009 including the Car Allowance Rebate System (Cash for Clunkers), Pub.L. 111-32

• October 28, 2009: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010, including the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, Pub.L. 111-84

• November 6, 2009: Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-92

• December 16, 2009: Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2010, Pub.L. 111-117

• February 12, 2010: Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act, as Title I of Pub.L. 111-139

• March 4, 2010: Travel Promotion Act of 2009, as Section 9 of Pub.L. 111-145

• March 18, 2010: Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment Act, Pub.L. 111-147

• March 23, 2010: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Pub.L. 111-148

• March 30, 2010: Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, including the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act, Pub.L. 111-152

• May 5, 2010: Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-163

• July 1, 2010: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-195

• July 21, 2010: Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, Pub.L. 111-203

• August 3, 2010: Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-220

• August 10, 2010: SPEECH Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-223

• September 27, 2010: Small Business Jobs and Credit Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-240

• December 8, 2010: Claims Resolution Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-291, H.R. 4783

• December 13, 2010: Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-296, S. 3307

• December 17, 2010: Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-312, H.R. 4853

• December 22, 2010: Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-321, H.R. 2965

• January 2, 2011: James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-347, H.R. 847

• January 4, 2011: Shark Conservation Act, Pub.L. 111-348, H.R. 81

• January 4, 2011: Food Safety and Modernization Act, Pub.L. 111-353, H.R. 2751

I think that we probably don't give the Dems in the last Congress enough credit for getting through what they did against the odds that were thrown up by the Party of No.

Chef - we'll be happy to make it easy for you to move to a country where you don't have to get health care coverage. Just pick any non-industrialized nation (since they ALL have universal health care) and we'll make it just as easy as moving out of Massachusetts. Promise.

Thank you, American Lobo! It's pretty sad when the richest nation in the world is so blind that it can't see that it's being overshadowed by poor little Costa Rica in taking care of its citizens.

expected result, everyone on record. Obamacare is null and void as the federal court ruling on the 31st. Until the SCOTUS rules otherwise, the regime must stop implementing obamacare. If they do not comply with the federal court ruling, than we have sedition, how will the liberal media spin this? If it was a republican POTUS, all hell would break out on the big liberal 3. say what you will.

So Glad that mess of a bill is staying solidly in the hands of the judges. Lets kill the middle class and put that mess thru. We are the only ones paying for it. Boy the lefties are grumpy since their losses in last falls election. I suppose we had better get used to it, 2012 it will only get them grumpier......

Nice spin on the super majority. Ahhhh you forgot to mention the Ind voted with the Dems 99% of the time. Nice spin on the truth. Just keep up the deceptions and lies. The Tea Party just keeps getting Stronger the more you attempt to deceive the public.

Repeal obama and that mess of a health care bill. Put in it's place one we can all live with. One we can all pay equally on; Congress has to use; Tort reform, Some teeth in it to prevent Illegal from sucking the system dry; One payer universal care; No hidden taxes, fees, and charges; No LOOPHOLES, 100% coverage for all. Just my thoughts

Independent and working for the repeal of the current health care bill and Obama........

"Nice spin on the super majority."

Only when the truth is "spin".

"Ahhhh you forgot to mention the Ind voted with the Dems 99% of the time."

Which if you DID THE MATH was factored in there when Real stated which times it was possible for the Democrats to have 60 votes. Go back and read it . Real is correct.

Sorry the facts don't fit your preconceived notions.

So, those liberals here believe the HCR law is good as it stands. They think we shouldn't change a thing. Then answer me this liberals, why would the Obama administration hand out hundreds of waivers? In fact, it strikes me as being odd when the Unions get 40% of the waivers issued to date when they were directly involved in creating the HC bill.

This is exactly what happens whenever the Federal Government gets their hands on something. They ruin it. Especially when they write bills in a hurry for political gains without the interests of the American people in their hearts. Why else would the Democrats pass the HCR bill on Christmas eve in the middle of the night? So no one can read the bill prior to voting for it. I wonder if ANY of Congress has yet to read the HCR law prior to voting yesterday.

I also have heard from people that claim it would be too costly for Americans to rescind the HCR law. My question back to them is how can this be too costly for Americans to rescind if the majority of the bill doesn't go into play until 2014? I would say we have several years to get the HCR law right. So let's do it.

I also view the vote as a measure to expose those Senators that support not rescinding the HCR law. They will be the next wave to leave Washington, mark my words.

Dude, figure out what a waiver is and then you can be informed when you post.

the only thing I will add to Real American's post is that during the 'months' of super majority, the Senate was only 'in session' about 13 actual weeks. They recessed in early August and Kennedy died during that recess. There was a two week recess in late October and then the recess during Thanksgiving week. So, yes, what has been accomplished in spite of the dogged opposition is commendable and appreciated by THIS American!

DrDrGimmetheNews

Dude, figure out what a waiver is and then you can be informed when you post.

I'm sorry you don't know what the purpose of the waiver is for. So I'll try to spell it out slowly for you. Try to follow. The waivers, being given by the Obama administration, allow for federal health-care regulators to waive part of a new law that forces the company to seek an alternative insurance plan for their workers. Any questions?

DUDE

you need some helping with spelling,...

t-h-e w-a-i-v-e-r-s a-r-e t-e-m-p-o-r-a-r-y,...

but do go on.

I don't think I'm the one who doesn't understand what a waiver is. Companies who get a waiver have an additional year to comply. That's it. They can't opt out; they haven't waived any part of the law; they just have an extra year. http://factcheck.org/2010/12/health-care-law-waivers/

Marcus---It is just the start. We will modify the legislation into a single payer system. It's a start but you guys can just live with it. #1--saves money, #2 ---insures many that cannot buy insurance, #3--it was long past due, (Nixon agreed to a far more comprehensive one but TK wouldn't take it).

Single payer isn't going to happen, sandtrich. Why do you think that themandate was put in; it certainly wasn't to appease the republicans considering that they did not need a single republican vote to pass the debacle. So, if the republicans won't vote for single payer and the moderate democrats won't vote for single payer, there aren't enough liberal democrats to accomplish much of the socialistagenda,is there?

Of what? Them actually doing THEIR jobs so the rest of us can get JOBS? You forget how much they were complicit in putting this country in the toilet!

Healthcare is recognized as a basic human right in the balance of the free 1st world countries. The fact that people do not understand the bill hurts it's reputation, but I keep noticing in the polls that more are FOR healthcare than against. Today is a reason to celebrate victory for Americans.

So tell me sandtrich. What don't I understand?? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME.

"but I keep noticing in the polls that more are FOR healthcare than against."

You are hallucinating.

P.S.

It is a "right" that you get fined for if you do not purchase it ???? Tell us what other "rights" you are forced to buy just for being alive.

The rest of the world is going broke providing free health care. Look at Europe to see where we will be in 20 years if it isn't repealed or struck down by the courts; they are paying 60% income tax for "free" healthcare. Doesn't anyone have a sense of responsibility anymore, which is what this country is founded upon, or are you all just going to turn communist for "free" health care? Let the government take care of us, and we will all drive Yugos and eat Tofu; why go to school, we don't even have to think for ourselves if we are all in the union.

Would someone please enlighten me on WHO the 30,000,000 people are that can not get medical treatment? Please! Anyone... I have a roommate right now that has no insurance and hasn't been approved for medi-cal. He was just in the hospital for two weeks getting himself fixed up a bit. The bill the hospital is eating was $425,000. If he could get treatment to the tune of near 1/2 million, who the heck can't get treatment?

Just a short comment. I am a physician for 26 years. The foundation of the healthcare crisis rests in the malpractice problem that we have in this country. I KNOW that most physicians especially in urban areas, as well as hospitals and pharmaceutical companies are CONSTANTLY concerned about that cloud that might cause irreparable damage to their future and/or reputation. Don't for one second believe that the only reason for healthcare reform was genuine concern for the public..it was VOTES from people who owe their allegance to the dems. Why is malpractice not addressed AT ALL in the healthcare bill..? did you ever notice who the American Bar Association supports...take a guess.

Slodon---when the uninsured go to the ER because they have no insurance---you pay. You pay by increased hospital costs to cover the shortage of funds due to uninsured. Preventive medicine is a huge aspect to human wellness. It is covered by the healthcare bill.

Give some thought to this, if you will--insurance companies are recording record profits just as oil companies are. Healthcare costs and insurance costs are rising 3X the rate of other expenses. Have you ever looked at these salaries the insurance companies management make? They paid, unsuccessfully, to have healthcare reform defeated.

I am well covered and in great financial condition--why aren't my fellow Americans? A series of major setbacks could wipe any one out---except the 2% that we all are supposed to wash the feet of like Dalites, (untouchables), in India. The time will come, as it is now happening in Egypt that the gap will no longer be tolerable to the average American, (the other 98% of us). The Walton Family of Walmart know this. They have underground compounds built to sustain them when the revolution comes.

Don't be afraid to share what is left of the American Dream with your neighbor. That $14T in debt--mostly due to wars and policing the world. No more, I say!

Also--both sides of this "civil debate"---stop collapsing the posts of others. It's counter-productive in dialog.

It is simply another step in creating a larger class of perfectly capable human beings who chose to do nothing! As Abraham Lincoln said, "You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." Smart man!

Another great Lincoln statement that applies here today, "You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong." Think about that one people. It is so true.

Doctors Ryan and Eric:

As an RN, I beg to disagree with both of you. And you of you have proved my point. No ER would refuse a patient care because they are usually so ill, it would be malpractice. Cash paying patients can have care because they are PAYING CASH!. They probably pay you more, than the insurance companies, would reimburse you. Most people who do not have insurance/cash; do not have routine check ups. They do not have mammograms. They do not have routine pap smears. They do not have flu shots. They do not have their vitals signs monitored. There children do not receive vaccinations. And when one of you geniuses, give a patient a prescription; many times, they have to choose between, which ones are most important, to their care. People are putting off health care, until they are so ill, it is an emergency.

I have seen it personally. You both know darn well, there are thousands of people, who need health care but, deny themselves because, of lack of insurance and no money. Both of you such ride along with a home care nurse. Get out of your comfort zone and see how the poor and newly unemployed really live. Shame on you both! Either both of you are naive, lying or just plain ignorant.

So Paul, who do you think is paying your deadbeat friends hospital bill? Funny, it's always the hard right screamers that are the biggest deadbeats of all. Paul thinks its ok for his deadbeat friend to get all the services then stiff the hospital for 425K. Noticed you said he was not approved for his government handout yet. Tell your deadbeat friend you're welcome.

Sorry you incorrectly read into my post, Sally. I didn't say I think it's Ok, I'm saying, this is how it really is! Got it? Good!

He's not even a friend, dumb beotch! I'm temporarily providing a roof over my very precious niece's father's head! You know, the christian thing to do. Maybe you don't know. Hmmmm...

Speaking of dumb, Paul, Lincoln never said either quote you attributed to him.

Paul-596618 - Abraham Lincoln didn't say either of those quotes. The Rev William John Henry Botecker did in 1916 when he was director of the pro-business Citizens Industrial Alliance (imagine that). As Mark Twain would say, "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes." Here's the snopes link:

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Bring it on @!$%#s - NOT MY PROBLEM YOU CAN'T HANDLE the TRUTH!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL Comment collapsed by the community

RE-POST Courtesy of the Collapse Cowards - DOES THE TRUTH REALLY BOTHER YOU THAT MUCH?

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL Comment collapsed by the community

Okay...

The Teapublicans have had their 'dog & pony' show - do you think maybe NOW they'll focus on J O B S?

Thanks to the Dem's for finally showing they have a 'pair' and standing united!

Guess they don't do snopes links.

Go to snopes and search Botecker.

The Obamao Health Care Bill IS DEAD!! It has been declared ( and rightly so) unconstitutional now. And no stay provision allowed ,,, it's DEAD!!! And, the Supreme court WILL rule the same ..eventually.

Happy now?

Takeitback--You sound like a nurse whereas the good "doctor" and other lad/lass seemed like an email from the RNC. Thanks for that post--very relevant.

Sally-1456674

So Paul, who do you think is paying your deadbeat friends hospital bill? Funny, it's always the hard right screamers that are the biggest deadbeats of all. Paul thinks its ok for his deadbeat friend to get all the services then stiff the hospital for 425K. Noticed you said he was not approved for his government handout yet. Tell your deadbeat friend you're welcome.

Just an example of the kindhearted compassion you will receive from your government healthcare.

Hey Wake up and the rest of you telling yourself fuzzy little fairy tales about how other countries are going "broke" providing health care:

Can you explain why Norway has an economy that is doing so well? Unemployment is 3.2%, and the government holds a $300 BILLION sovereign wealth fund. Free universal health care for all.

Gee, I'd hate to be them.

Or Germany (The German economy last year grew at its fastest pace since reunification) - but, wait, they have universal health care, too!

Britain got trounced mostly due to tangling its economy up too much with America's Wall Street thugs. But we don't want to talk about that, now do we?

Keep it up, Feisty! Yeah, the truth hurts. Facts, too - although they just try to change the subject when you pull out that 4-letter f-word.

If you all ever dig your way out of the snow, I'll buy you a round next time I get through Roselle.

So rather than moving to one of those places you would rather try to make a country of 320 million people like one of those places.

It must be REALLY hard to move.

Paul-596618

Would someone please enlighten me on WHO the 30,000,000 people are that can not get medical treatment? Please! Anyone... I have a roommate right now that has no insurance and hasn't been approved for medi-cal. He was just in the hospital for two weeks getting himself fixed up a bit. The bill the hospital is eating was $425,000. If he could get treatment to the tune of near 1/2 million, who the heck can't get treatment?

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Paul are you really so against HCR that you can't see that you just proved the need for an individual mandate? Newsflash Paul, the hospital is not going to eat anything. The hospital will raise it's prices as necessary to cover the losses sustained from treating patients who cannot pay their bill. Those increases get passed on to individuals who do have insurance in the form of a premium increases.

Hospitals are business and have to pay their bills/employees too. No business can eat multiple $425,000 losses and remain solvent.

It's not an issue of who can get treatment. Most can get treatment from the ER. The issue is who pays for the treatment that the uninsured get? Before HCR the payees were people who carry health insurance.

Hope you see the difference as well as the need for the individual mandate. Bottom line is someone has to pay the hospital bill. Might as well be the person who created the bill instead of all of the people who currently have health insurance.

Wow, Paul sure gets testy when the fact that he and his family ARE the scammers wanting a free ride get's pointed out. LOL Typical.

@ Real American - Happy to report I'm 'out and about' again!

Thanks for the offer - I'll take you up on that! ;o)

Feisty Red Head:

Would you stop getting collapsed? I have not been able to determine if I agree with you or not. You must be a real spit-fire. Or you are of "ornery" German descend, like me.

Anyway, good luck, staying on the vine.

Seen Obama's approval ratings lately?

is that the America with insurance already?

Dear Viewer: This may be difficult for you to take in...but you do not speak for everyone. I am glad some form of HCR was passed, and I wish it had included a public option. And I will remember who voted to repeal it.

Um...I'm an American and I want this plan. I will remember who voted FOR repeal in 2012.

This may be difficult for YOU to take in.

But the law under it's current writing WILL be repealed.

Not now, but soon,, (less than two years from now).

I don't speak for everyone, but I know what WORKING America wants.

What makes you think you speak for America?? You speak for people who think they are the only patriots, Right -Wing nuts..

since when did americans become one person???..........we all dnt think they way you think mr!!

Viewer_Ready

The Senate fell for the trap.

America does not want this "plan" and will remember who voted for it in 2012.

No Voters will remember that the republicans said they were going to create jobs, not screw around with voting on a bill they know the president will veto. the voters will see them as nothing but a waste of time.

Yes the voters will remember that the republicans instead of fixing the bill they tried to get rid of it with out a replacement. republicans on the screw once again.

JOBS JOBS< screw everything else

Viewer: I'm a working American, but you clearly don't know what I want.

Thanks, Jeff. I agree with you 100%.

I don't think you know what Americans want Viewer_Ready.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/01/poll-support-for-health-care-repeal-drops.html

"Only 25 percent of people polled now support repealing the health care law, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll out Monday, compared to 46 percent on Jan. 7, one day before Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in a violent attack in Tuscon, Ariz."

Viewer_Ready....how do you know what WORKING America wants?

I have been working all my adult life serving this nation, paying my share of taxes, insurance, and HCR co-pays, and I want to see health care available for my fellow citizens who are not as fortunate as I. It will reduce the taxes now spent on indigent care at ERs, reduce the strain on EMS systems throughout the U.S., and provide wellness care that could prevent future health issues, a savings of money according to the CBO. You definitely do NOT speak for me.....where did you get your talking points from, Faux News???

Sorry viewer but I am part of working America and so is my husband and you speak for yourself NOT working America. Unless you are a mind reader or you have asked every single working American, you should keep your blanket statements to yourself.

Hey, Viewer, I'm part of working america (as, I suspect, are many of the other folks on here who write in support of the law): pretty presumptuous that you assume you are speaking for us...

Chris, the CBO is pulling your leg.

Why do you think the insurance companies got OFF the band wagon?

They finally READ the "law" and saw where the money and fines would go.

And it ain't going in YOUR pocket.

"America does not want it?". That assumes that you speak for me as I am also an American. And, I think the health care law is a resounding "ABOUT TIME". So, SPEAK FOR YOURSELF and leave me out of your comments. This is something that the past 10 presidents have tried to implement (and that includes the GOP's mesiah President Reagan). Good job Senate!!!

Before you uninformed, misguided teabaggers start trashing me, let me assure you that not only am I employed, but I am also a (locally) successful small business owner (with 175 employees). In fact, my annual personal income is above that magic line President Obama wants to tax - and I AM ALL FOR IT. Under President Bush my annual income tax liability was reduced by 2% (i.e. from 37% to 35%), and given the huge national debt that began to accumulate after my tax break, I'd just assume give the 2% back to help pay the debt off. Btw; none of my sisters, my brother or my parents got that 2% tax break - only the highest income earners got it (which I fall into). Finally, the argument that by taxing my personal income at the same rate as I was prior to 2000 would somehow affect my hiring practices in my business is a ludicrious argument by the GOP and one of the main reasons I quit the republican party.

I just got home from work and see that Viewer_Ready wants to speak for me. Sorry dude (or dudette), but that dog don't hunt.

Viewer, since the Corporatocracy has seen fit to exclude at least 15 million Americans from opportunity, incomes, living incomes, and benefits, thus relegating them to poverty and UNDERprivilege, the government has to step in. Had disparity in wealth and income not been so skewed to the fewest possible, had companies left health benefits intact, we might not have HCR right now. So thanking them for their greed. And we wouldn't have had the fng meltdown we did starting in December 2007.

A job is not a right? But it's people like you who get on these threads and spew all manner of insults and disparagement toward those who, for NO fault of their own, have little or nothing left because they lost their jobs and haven't been able to find any since. May I also remind you that American wages took an overall 5% hit from 2001-2009, but the top 1% saw at least a 7% increase in THEIR incomes.

The Senate voted 51-47 to UPHOLD HCR. That's the story today, like it or not.

People are not going to sit by and die - they are not going to sit by and watch their loved ones die - when we have the so-called greatest health care system in the world - nor should they.

If the Republicans and Tea whatevers are so concerned about deficits, budgets, and costs, they'd better get up off their over-privileged, bombastic hind ends and start working on getting Americans back to work. That creates revenue, eases the current pressures on the budgets, and frankly, reduces the needs for some of those budgets once people have jobs that PAY ENOUGH FOR THEM TO PAY THEIR OWN BILLS.

If the R&T want to start cutting budgets, they can start with their own salaries, allowances, staff, benefits, and the health care THAT WE, THE PEOPLE PAY FOR. Then they can cut the military, move on to rescinding the tax cuts for the wealthy which will cost us ANOTHER $678 BILLION down the road, take back the $100 BILLION in earmarks in this year's budget, and stop subsidies to insurance companies, oil companies, and huge farms that don't need them. Finally, they can start ensuring that corporations like GE, BofA, and Citigroup, none of which paid ANY corporate taxes in 2009, start PAYING THEIR SHARES.

Corporate welfare is not a capitalist right. And a lot of us are getting d@mn tired of seeing our taxes go to those who will never miss a meal or worry about where they are going to live for one minute of their lives.

Like Susan above, I will remember who voted for HCR, too.

Yeah, I have seen Obama's approval ratings. They're up 8 percentage points to 53-54%...over half the nation. Very good for a president in his position.

Yeah working Americans...How many are unemlpoyed? I thought the Republicans ran with their cacophny of JOBS JOBS JOBS on the last elections but what have they done so far? How many ideas have they presented to the American people on what they are doing about job creation? what propolsals have they offer that would make the health care system better or how their Ideas will reduce the deficit? Enought with the banter and the show. Americans will rememebr that the republicans are again trying to point blame to the Obama administration yet they continue to act like spoiled brats and as party of NO. Bring ideas to the table and stop stalling the progress of America. GET TO WORK on gtting the American people back to work.

Viewer -

Evidently, your comment struck a nerve for those that want freebies and have their hands out. I don't care if they say they have a job or not, they need to learn to stand on their own two feet and keep their hands out of our pockets.

FYI liberals out there like Eric, et al. -

I am a working American as is my husband and as are my children - we ALL want Obamacare gone, the sooner, the better - whether by repeal, defunding, or declaring it unconstitutional.

It IS already affecting what insurance is available in the workplace as some of the plans that my company was able to choose from last year were no longer available this year - because of Obamacare. I know it's not supposed to kick in fully until 2014, but some of it is and those changes are already affecting the insurance market as rates are rising faster than they would have without it.

Everyone agrees that health CARE reform is needed; however Obamacare is NOT health CARE reform, it is health INSURANCE reform and does nothing to address the real problems with health care like physician shortages.

You're right Tammy, it is health insurance reform, not health care reform, which is why it doesn't overly thrill me. But frankly I'd rather have my tax dollars go to pay for a single payer system to help those who need it instead of having them go into the deep pockets of rich corporate fatcats that don't. And yes, I do pay taxes so please, none of that "stand on your own feet" crap; I do just fine.

jobs, jobs, jobs - The government can only create government jobs, not private sector jobs. What government can do however is to create an environment that will promote private sector job growth. This was something that if obama and company understood in 2009 & 2010 they wouldn't have had the shellacking in Nov 2010. Did you FR libs not see a change in obamas attitude towrds business in the 4th quarter of 2010?

The health-care act will promote many, many government jobs to see that the regs are followed and enforced. Private sector jobs in health-care are likely to be added as well to meet demand.

One needs to keep in mind that most of the private sector jobs created will be for skilled workers, not just anybody off of the street

Also keep in mind that the ONLY Legitimate thing keeping government workers employed are the private sector taxpayers and businesses. I suppose the FED can always print more money to pay the government workers wages as well.

I would say that the MAJORITY of states that have ALREADY filed suit to avoid having to incur the costs of Obamacare represent the people very well.

I'm an american. I work and help my employer pay for my healthcare just like every other working person. Conservatives included. Although everything the republicans did to the bill I would like to see changed, I am completely for this HCR bill and the only thing I want to see repealed is the house majority going to the conservatives. Two more years.

Viewer, here are some of the recent numbers:

McClatchy Poll Nov. 15-18: 51% want HCR, either as is (16%) or "do more" (35%)

link: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/11/22/104152/poll-majority-of-americans-want.html

Associalted press-Gfk poll conducted Jan. 2011: 62% (19% leave as is; 43% change it to do MORE) favor HCR. Question HC14a.

Question HC1 found total 56% either strongly (21%), somewhat (19%), or neither support or oppose (16%) HCR. Only 41% (11% somewhat; 30% strongly) opposed HCR. 3% answered 'did not know'.

Link to PDF file of Q&As: http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK%20Poll%20011411.pdf

Those are links directly to the poll results - no news inbetween.

Numbers are in. HCR is ON.

skeptic, good job posting the numbers, thanks. I think, however, that poor Viewer is happy in his deluded little world where he can imagine that he speaks for the world.

And the more Americans learn about it the more they approve it. And when asked point by point on the plan, they overwhelmingly approve of it. When the details are given without the LIES spun by the Reps(Death Panels, Doctor Choice Etc) People like it. THis is the fear of the crazed scorched earth Reps, they know Avg Americans will like it when they know what it really is...and that just will not do.

SOURCE Polling Report

But frankly I'd rather have my tax dollars go to pay for a single payer system to help those who need it instead of having them go into the deep pockets of rich corporate fatcats that don't.

Done some interesting reading lately. Read the other day that JPMorgan administers EBT and assorted other welfare programs for a number of states, and at the discretion of some of these states it offshores the support centers to India to cut costs, rather than pay Americans to perform this function. JPMorgan has a vested interest in increasing the welfare rolls because it makes money off of every single transaction. Remember now this is at the behest of state governments, not some conspiracy of the "Corporatocracy."

Also read the other day that some 20% of deployed troops are taking some form of psychotropic medication, and these troops are deployed with a 90- or 180-day supply of such drugs as Xanax, Valium, and another particularly darling drug, the name of which I can't recall, that has been used to treat schizophrenia but the Pentagon claims it uses to treat "sleep disorders." If you can name which player is the big winner here (Big Pharma), move to the front of the class. Once again, none of this would be possible without government.

Re-examine "Health Care For All" in this light and it comes into clear focus who is the true beneficiary of all this. It's the industry itself. It sure isn't the American taxpayer, or the deadbeat wards he's expected to provide ever more services to. Because anyone with any brains at all can see that this is only going to lower the standard and availability of care for the populace at large.

What exactly is the target of health care legislation that provides for something like 15,000 new IRS agents, but not one single friggin' doctor? They have a word for this. It's called a tax, or at least it used to be. Look for government to start rationing or flat out denying care on some arbitrary basis, while it maintains or increases its tax...excuse me "fee." It WILL happen.

And the rubes will thank and praise their caring and generous rulers with their shoestrings holding their pants up. Oh by the way, did anyone catch that bit from Geithner to Congress about the government defaulting if the debt ceiling isn't raised? Oh to hell with it pile on the entitlements! We'll just borrow, tax, or print the money, say the people with maxed-out credit cards and no jobs who think Weimar is a dog and couldn't find Zimbabwe on a map. Morons.....

Denver, what kind of fool are you? They've been in office now for how long? Oh, a month... and your precious Obama who has accomplished NOTHING in two years is still a hero. Why should such and ignorant perspective even be considered?

Isn't karma funny, Paul? We give Boehner and the Republicans exactly how much time they gave President Obama. Where are the jobs, Republicans?

As of yesterday 0bummercare is unconstitutional. Until the 0bummer admin. gets a stay from the judge or from the 11th circuit it is null and void. If the 0bummer admin. ignores the judges ruling they will be held in contempt. They will probably get their stay but right now 0bummercare is not the law of the land. There are 23 Dem Senate seats up on Nov 6 2012 - they just made there job a lot harder. 60% of the Americans want this repealed. If SCOTUS hasn't ruled by then this mess will be repealed in Jan 2013 when the new Repub Senate joins the Repub House and Repub President in getting rid of 0bummercare for good. B Hussein Obama - 1 term President.

You're a joke! Get a job newday, maybe you'll understand reality some day.

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Bring it on @!$%#s - NOT MY PROBLEM YOU CAN'T HANDLE the TRUTH!
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Okay...

The Teapublicans have had their 'dog & pony' show - do you think maybe NOW they'll focus on J O B S?

Thanks to the Dem's for finally showing they have a 'pair' and standing united!

"As of yesterday 0bummercare is unconstitutional."

Uh, no, that's one judge's judicial opinion. Another has sided with him. Two others have said it is constitutional. 12 of the lawsuits filed on HCR were dismissed. It'll be appealed. Until the Supreme Court rules otherwise, it's still the law of the land.

DrDr--so true--and I am glad. I think they will probably odds in Vegas for the appeal--Pro Business vs The People. Is Kennedy the one that might surprise the right?

Many, many "working" Americans are thrilled with the health bill - and so are their employers. My company has a payroll of just under 50, and we're already benefitting.

Tanks to the Dr. for putting up the FACTS regarding the lawsuits. And let's remember that the suits are filed by GOP state officials. It's another ploy by the party of NO. They believe that continuing this nonstop drumbeat will keep the pot boiling to their eventual benefit in 2012. But the numbers show that instead, they are going to boil the pot dry and burn out the bottom.

LOL Paul, Funny stuff, YOU telling others to get a job when you admited upthread that you come from a family of moochers.

Exactly, Shellie: the only response that the intellectually impaired like Paul have is to attack others on things that they cannot possibly no about. Paul: what evidence do you have that I have never had a job? And by the way, here is a hint...I was able to retire young.

typo: "no" should be "know".

Black_belt

The Health Care bill was not struck down entirely, just the part that mandates Americans to purchase health insurance. It was expected that part of the bill would be contested. Now, Black Belt, let me tell you, what is going to really happen. Eventually, America will have health care for all. Medicare! I just cannot fathom the logic of the right, when they say they are opposed to Medicare for all.

When a person works 1,2, or 3 part-time jobs and pay the same amount of taxes, as you and I but, cannot get health insurance, it that "American?" And then we have people, who have never worked or paid a dime, in taxes, but they qualify for Medicaid. It does not matter what the reason, these people do not pay taxes, they do not contribute one dime, in taxes. This is not meant to be an indictment, of people on Medicaid, many have handicaps and are too ill to work. But they get free, health care, as they should. So why are we so cruel to people who are paying into the system but cannot buy/afford health insurance.

I believe those of you, who are arguing against government provided health care, for all (Medicare) are not addressing the real issues of the day. Why should anyone who is making the effort to do their civic duty, i.e. pay taxes; loose their homes and their life savings because they or their family member needs health care? Is this the "Christianity" the right claims for themselves?

Lastly, why are so many of you, backing insurance companies, who are lobbying, politicians, to vote against Public Health Care? Are you afraid, the quality of health care, will decline? Are you so eager, to fork over thousands of dollars, out of pocket, for co-pays/ the cost for your insurance? Are you all right with insurance companies denying, health care coverage, for people, with pre-existing diseases? Or insurance companies, ridding themselves, of people who have paid for insurance but have acquired an illness, that may cost the insurance company, millions? In other words, the insurance company DEATH PANELS?

Can any of you answer these questions, with actual facts and knowledge of about what you are saying? Not hyperbole, from your favorite talking head at FOX or Rush? Just remember, I have a vast knowledge of the health care system because I have been a nurse for over forty years. And I have worked in several areas of nursing, in the OR, CCU, Oncology, and as a home care hospice nurse. As a matter-of-fact, I was in nursing before there was such a thing as CPR!

And to you too for bankrupting America-pay for your own healthcare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@gop bp: Everytime I hear the bankrupting argument I hear someone that has been listening to rubbish rhetoric coming from partisan mouths. Do yourself a favor and increase the quality of your news sources.

According to the CBO, the health care law saves 140 billion over ten years, and only minimally affects employment. Stop the republican lies.

The healthcare bill doesn't say that the *wealthy* will pay for the *poor* / *worthless* / *lazy* / ... It says that everyone will have right to BUY basic healthcare coverage, rather than being jerked around by the insurance companies and their touts. Don't scare off people, because you have some other agenda!

Our small business pays for employee insurance, which has jumped about 50% over the last 4 years, while the whole nation is going under. United Healthcare and such are stealing money from a captive audience.

When some idiots talk about getting a job, so that the employer can pay for health insurance, they forget that the insurance cost is going out of bounds, which is why they cannot afford it any more; not because there are too much taxes on them! We pay a very small amount in taxes to government, but a lot mroe to the insurance companies for various coverages, for a small setup.

Eric the CBO shuffled numbers also (without reading).

Have you READ the law?

It took me two weeks, (and I read fast).

It was all done to make Obama look good, (on paper).

Eric - quit being stupid, all the regulations have not been written yet to impliment the plan. CBO numbers are just like computer programs, put garbage in you will get garbage out. It just comes out faster is all.

I have yet to see a government plan that has saved money or come in under budget. Always an excuse for failure, either party.

The same CBO that intentionally left out costs to keep the figure under $1 trillion for campaigning purposes only to raise their estimates later? Who cares what they say.

Thank you Senate Dems. Your arzes will surely be gone by 2014!

As an Independent, I could care less about all the BS partisanship, but I do think the middle class who are working are getting screwed without a kiss. While the rich get richer on profits and the really poor suck the system dry, the middle gets stuck with the entire bill. Why? Because the Teapublicans are looking out for the rich and the corporations who finance their careers and the Liberals pay for the so-called poor and lazy. Who cares that the middle class under employed are uninsured and unable to pay for the exorbitant cost of health care. My best friend works for Circle K. When he went to the ER with pnuemonia all he got was a $3000 bill for four hours of waiting for care -- yes, not denied but it will take years to pay for it.

I wanted much more reform but he keep middle Americans well is better than NOTHING. Which is all we have gotten for all these years.

Yes, George..498,,, We can thank the Dems for thinking of "US" ... Give us the free health care we are entitled to,,, we have a right to,,, etc, etc. Screw the Constitution!

And, Jim ...686 below ... our gov't is not capable (has NEVER been capable) of focusing on anything but extorting monies from you and me for the express purpose of controlling the masses. What will it take for you and your socialist friends to learn the hard truth?

NO...it does not say that everyone has the right to buy insurance....it says that everyone MUST buy insurance or MUST pay a fine!

Why MUST everyone buy insurance, or pay the penalty?? So that those others can get their insurance paid for, or virtually paid for!

The regulation of insurance & health care rates is legal for the Congress to legislate, as the companies fall under the Commerce laws.

However, the individual consumer's choice of purchase of a product IS NOT within Congress's power to force. A law requiring an individual MUST buy a product or pay a fine equivalent to having bought the product just to make it affordable to others IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL.

If you doubt this...check out the Federal Judge's Ruling that just happened. He explained these legal points quite well in his ruling.

Obama & his Dems were supposed to BRING DOWN the insurance & healthcare rates so that people could afford them. THEY DID NOT DO THIS. They did just the opposite Instead of bringing down prices on a national level & allowing the states to continue their healthcare programs for indigent citizens what did they do? They used this as this opportunity to move this governmental system one step closer to socialism. Shoved it down our throats! Problem is...socialism can not be financially sustained. History has proven this time & time again! Prices are already increasing because of forced coverages, anticipated losses, and overburdened systems.

As the Federal Judge stated in his ruling....the entire law must be scrapped as unconstitutional & Congress must go back to the drawing board. mPerhaps they'll do the job they were supposed to do...BRING DOWN COSTS!

Paul the moocher. Still here I see.

WTF is your problem Shellie? Sitting there with your idiot friend commenting as someone else. Cute! Maybe if you two keep stroking each other you could charge a fee!

I agree. There is nothing stopping either side for adding to it. Public Option is a start.

You actually think that being fined for being alive without buying health insurance was somehow a step forward? Maybe if we get enough beef lobbyists to Washington we can fine vegetarians for not buying meat too.

You and everybody else that doesn't already pay out the nose for it, George!

It's not lawmakers...it's GOP...remember that.

Actually it deals more with campaign promises kept

PollDateSampleFor/Favor Against/Oppose Spread

RCP Average
1/4 - 1/30
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40.8
47.8
Against/Oppose +7.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Would the country be better off if we disbanded Congress altogether? Corporations have had to reinvent themselves for the information age. We are far more connected than ever before in history. Why can't we now reinvent how we govern ourselves? Congress is a big waste of money. It is full of corrupt politicians influenced by special interests. The people's voice is not heard in Washington DC.

majority want this to stand? man, put down the pipe, the majority, yes, over 60%; that does mean majority, do not want this plan. only the welfare receiving leaches, and liberals want the working class to pay the way for the gubernut teet dwellers.

united they stand, united they will fall

It is the working population that do not want this. Who is going to pay for this? The ones on welfare?

For those who are trying to use poll numbers to support their argument against the health care law, and if you really want to believe what a polls says, please remember that 18% are against the law because they think that the law did not go far enough (i.e. providing a government controlled healthcare plan similar to medicare for all Americans). And I've seen other polls that would suggest that the 18% (that I just quoted) do not want to repeal it, but rather greatly expand it.

18% are against the law because they think that the law did not go far enough 

But they are against the bill as it is, which means that they are opposed. And those who favored a single payer do indeed want to dismantle the current bill as that would be the only way to achieve the goal of "medicare for all"...

28 states already have suits to avoid Obamacare.... I guess when you believe there are 57 states that seems to be less than the majority.

What part of unconstitutional do the dems not understand? or do they just not care?

As of yesterday 0bummercare is unconstitutional and will remain so until the regime gets a stay of the judges order or the 11th circuit issues a stay. Insurance companies don't have to do a damn thing 0bummercare mandates today.

pjam09--I seriously doubt you nor I are Constitutional scholars. What states say regarding Federal laws are irrelevant. Many states remained on the other side of desegregation, women's rights to vote, and many other strange vagueness' that The Constitution leaves us with. "If" you were a black person, Native American or a woman, (which you might be), would you put ultimate credence in a document that failed to recognize women, blacks, or Native Americans?

amen to that gcv!

What? are we talking autocracy? dictatorship? Or are we talking about the teaparty becoming a viable 3rd party?

The party and the after-party...always choose the latter...

"If" any one expects to be heard they have to tone down the rhetoric in this country. Any message gets lost in the screaming. I don't consider The Tea Party relevant due to that very screaming.

Hey! A viable third party, now that just might work. No, wait. They would just get bought off by the highest bidder, and that won't be the working class.

Obviously you haven't read it.

I like the part where it provides for doubling the amount of community clinics. They'll have to be built (jobs) supplied (jobs) cleaned (jobs) staffed(jobs) And possibly the people who work there will get paychecks and buy food(jobs) and clothes(jobs) and cars(jobs) and fuel(jobs)

I have read all the key points of the law from the library of Congress. This is hugely complex law to address a hugely complex issue. Is it perfect? Of course not. Are there items that need adjustment/fixing? Absoutely, not the least of which is the additional amount of paper that (as a small business owner) will have to provide (which will cost me money in time and resources). However, given the situation I think it was the best that law that could be negotiated at the time. The idea of repeal is nothing more than GOP posturing. If the GOP is really interested in doing something positive for Americans with regard to healthcare then start working of MODIFYING the law instead of wasting time (and taxpayer money) on repeal which has not chance of passing.

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." ~ Ronald Reagan

It's hilarious to watch you guys bump into each other trying to make points about something of which you know nothing. Then when you falter and fail, you point the finger at anyone but yourselves, and demand that "they" fix it.

What I know is this; Truth is rooted deep in the DNA of the reasonable and right. To abandon that truth, is to destroy the very thing that gives you life. Deny the truth long enough, and your mind will become permanently unable to see it. THAT is what has happened to you.

The reason you CAN'T argue it, is because you don't have the reasoning ability TO argue it.

But it's okay. We can re-teach you and re-form you. Just start by going to the one who pays your salary. He or she is Conservative and Right. That is how they got where they are. They can help you out of your "self" ...but only if you're sincere in your desire to be rehabilitated.

Harold - You are EXACTLY right in your assessment of this situation with the HCR Law. I have been on here challenging our friends on the right side of the aisle to come up with SOMETHING if they are planning to REPEAL the Health Care Law.

I mean if you are going to repeal the Law, what is going to replace it?

So far - I got NOTHING from them. No Plan, No ideas, no NOTHING.

Now, the Senate has killed this 'repeal'.

I have also asked the right-wingers to at least come up with AMENDMENTS for the CURRENT Law that would have their stamp on it. I mentioned that the funny thing is that the President has already said he would entertain Amendments and would, if the amendment was good enough, actually sign it into LAW.

I have had only ONE PERSON who would amend the HCR law to keep the premiums from rising more than 3% a year.

SO, I will state this for the record - the current 'repeal' is a dog and pony show. It is kabuki theatre, and as you can see there has been NO LEGISLATION written now that the GOP has the House.

In other words - NOTHING is being done while the Ameican populace is suffering.

The GOP leadership is as clueless and as inept as ever, and the American people fell for the 'okie-dokie' in November by voting these people into office.

Maybe the American polulace will be more careful in 2012.

"I have had only ONE PERSON who would amend the HCR law to keep the premiums from rising more than 3% a year."

One of the provisions of the law is that insurance companies must demonstrate that they are paying 80% into direct healthcare costs of the premiums they collect, or issue a refund. Larger companies like BCBS must demonstrate 85%.

Viewer? Tammy?

I cannot believe your ignorance. As a home care hospice nurse, I can tell you from experience, people are suffering because they have no insurance. One of our patients, is a child, who is dying. When he was first diagnosed, mom quit her job, to care for her son and dad's job was "eliminated. Of course, because our hospice is non-profit, the majority of the child's care will be absorbed by hospice. Plus our Social Worker is working, to get the child on Medicaid. Both parents are college graduates and up until, their son was diagnosed, with terminal cancer, they were able to meet their financial obligations. Mom was the insurance carrier for the her and her children. Dad had his own. Tell me, would you deny a mother, the right to care for her dying son? Her job was "held" for her for a year. She was eligible for the Family Leave Act. But her son had the audacity to live longer! The company decided, they needed to "replace her." Their son his "actively dying" now. It is a matter of hours, to a day or two.

I am sure, if I were his parent, and I read the cruel comments, on these posts, it would break my heart. Many of you who post on Newsvine, have never faced the loss of a child; plus your job, possibly your home. How can anyone be so cruel? You value money over life. No over a good quality of life. Actually, when I read the heartlessness of some, I feel sad and hopeless. Some of you will never get it.

Most medical professionals can add their experiences, with people who are required to choose between money (jobs) and caring for a terminally ill or chronically ill person. If you say you are a "Christian?" and are anti health care for all, how do you think God will judge you?

And to those people who say, this health care bill is illegal, because our government cannot force anyone to buy insurance. Obviously, you do not have car insurance, which is required by LAW!

I have been witness to many deaths, of mom, dads, children, friends, my own husband. I cannot imagine someone standing next to the patient with a cash register, asking for the bill to be paid. Insurance companies are rich for a reason. Do not buy into the hype.

President Obama wanted health care for all. Medicare for all. Were is the evil in that? I would pay, my tax dollars, for any ones health care, before I would pay for a war. How about you?

tex: you are just wrong. Why do all of you listen to the right wing nuts spout off about this. This is not socialized medicine, nor is it a govt. take over. It evens the playing field so the insurance companies can no longer cherry pick who they will cover, and it brings into the pool the young and healthy who are cheaper for insurance companies to carry. ILLEGALS CANNOT ACCESS HEALTH CARE THROUGH THIS BILL. For mercy's sake quit listening to the fear mongers and find out about his bill. To the Hospice Nurse. Having had some experience with Hospice when my mom was dying of ALS, I can tell you that you folks are in a special category of hero. Please accept my thanks.

You talking to me? I'm a little puzzled since I have not said anything about this topic.

But, hey, I'll play. Jean321 I'm a "righty" and I have created many jobs. Your turn. How many have you created?

And it's not "going forward" its Lean Forward. Get with it Jean321. But hey, maybe you abd Partick from Salt Lake can get together. Seems you both are very smart - much smarter than us "righties."

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." ~ Ronald Reagan

It's hilarious to watch you guys bump into each other trying to make points about something of which you know nothing. Then when you falter and fail, you point the finger at anyone but yourselves, and demand that "they" fix it.

What I know is this; Truth is rooted deep in the DNA of the reasonable and right. To abandon that truth, is to destroy the very thing that gives you life. Deny the truth long enough, and your mind will become permanently unable to see it. THAT is what has happened to you.

The reason you CAN'T argue it, is because you don't have the reasoning ability TO argue it.

But it's okay. We can re-teach you and re-form you. Just start by going to the one who pays your salary. He or she is Conservative and Right. That is how they got where they are. They can help you out of your "self" ...but only if you're sincere in your desire to be rehabilitated.

I couldnt have said it better Steve! you get an A+

Perfectly stated, Steve.

Yeah, Steve, I'm sitting here watching idiot tape roll on your boy Beck as I type. He and the truth are about as far apart as you and I are on real issues.

But, as the saying goes, there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. I think they were thinking of you and your pen pals above.

And that ruling is directly contradicted by at least Three other judges at the same level. So which ruling should they abide by? Because there is no unamity on this, the Governement MUST continue enforcement.

Name the three judges.

Did Rush put you up to this?

Republicans sure do know about lawlessness........what we've been seeing about the last Republican administration is only the tip of the iceberg.

You need to be more specific and please let me know what that has to do with this case? Or are you confused about how the law works?

3? Come on Brian, pay attention: 2 have ruled for , 2 against. But hey, just like your socialist leaders, it is obvious you can not count either. Sure amazes me how an American citizen will allow the Government to FORCE them to purchase anything? And since the argument you will no doubt subjugate us with is based on mandatory car insurance, along with Social Security taxes, let me reiterate the facts:

You choose to drive a car, you must purchase insurance

You choose to work, you pay SS taxes.

Common denominators? Choice! There are no 'penalties' if you choose to not participate. Do you understand the true facts now? As a matter of fact, you can even collect Social Security even if you do not contribute: That in itself is wrong!

But then again, the far left lib/progressives have been trying to destroy our Constitution for several years now. Hope you have something better than koom-by-ya to save you when Americans take back America?

I was hoping he could name the three...since there have been only two. Any by the way Brian, judicial rulings are not a game of numbers. Those were relatively small and narrow cases vs. this being twenty six states....twenty six...plus some individuals bringing suit against the federal government. This law is null and void unless this gets overturned. Why was the Obama administration out giving a press conference instead of immediately seeking a stay form the fourth circuit court? BEcause they know their power is with the cheerleaders in the main stream media, not in the courts on this.

Wow short attention spans:

Judge Henry E. Hudson - Struct down only the individual mandate, but not the entire bill and said the rest of the bill could continue

Judge George Caram Steeh - upheld the law in full

Judge Norman Moon - upheld the law in full.

What's really funny is that when a District judge struct down DODT in California, Conservatives said that only applied to their court district, not to the nation as a whole, so which is it?

Sorry John. You are just wrong. One judges at the same level, does not supperceed another judges. Hence why it has to go to the supreme court. Our laws do not look at who the plantif is, only the outcome of the decision, that is the way they are written.

We have four conflicting rulings. 2 completely upheld the law, struct down one small portion and one the struct down the entire law. Because of those conflicting rulings, the Governement cannot act on any one of them, there for it must be appealed to higher court to recieve clarification as to which one was the correct ruling.

You're counting Hudson as being for the law? LOLOL...that's original. Why not count Vinson for your side too? Hudson struck down the mandate, which is the part being challenged, he just didn't invoke inseverability and strike down the whole law.

What is DODT? Something you just made up?

Sorry John. You are just wrong. One judges at the same level, does not supperceed another judges.

Nope, you are wrong Brian. You're overlaying your wish for the way it works over the way it actually works. Since the states won this case, they can immediately stop implementation. The states are not bound by the narrower decisions of the other judges. The right answer is to stop implementation immediately since there is a conflict and the constitutionality is clearly in question. It is not the law of the land.

Now if they really think they have a case, they should seek a stay from the fourth circuit. Why haven't they done that? Because they are going to lawlessly pretend this didn't even happen.

John Galt 2112

Name the three judges.

Howard, Fine and Howard...

Naw the 3 judges are olberman, maddow and matthews lol

You guys are acting like the AGs of the states who filed suit actually represent the will of the people they are supposed to represent. I live in one of these states and I support HCR. It is not my will that the time and resources our fiscally struggling state has should be used for this lawsuit.

Nope!
The three Judges are: Dewey, Screwem, & How

Brian, your logic is extreme at best, simplistic at worst. You have still failed to name the third Judge that has upheld the 'Mandate'clause in the Act. As to the statement from Mr. Galt is in fact correct. Until an actual stay has been issued on the ruling in Florida, the 26states (count them, 26!), have the full right to not only disengage themselves from the Act's mandates, they have the rights granted to them by the 9th and 10th amendments, so listed in the 'Bill of Rights', to not only ignore this unconstitutional intrusion into our lives, they are also mandated to protect their sovereign positions as States. Now, you and your progressive socialists friends may not find this appealing: And to that, I would say move to Europe where you will feel more at home in your self entitled demeanor. The facts still stand for themselves, the Federal Government DOES NOT have the powers under the Commerce Clause to force anyone to purchase a product or service, and then levy a fine if they fail to do so out of choice. Nor do they have the power to create a tyrannical dictatorship.

Just remember, the Constitution gives 'We the People' the right, and the duty, to remove these public servants from office. To that, the first step is 2012. Where, the entire administration will be removed, and those elected in their place WILL repeal! Your fantasy is about to end....

mrkwildcat: Sure amazes me how an American citizen will allow the Government to FORCE them to purchase anything? And since the argument you will no doubt subjugate us with is based on mandatory car insurance, along with Social Security taxes, let me reiterate the facts:You choose to drive a car, you must purchase insuranceYou choose to work, you pay SS taxes.

Common denominators? Choice! There are no 'penalties' if you choose to not participate.

So wildcat....I'm assuming then that you'd be 100% totally cool with ERs choosing not to participate in that mandatory care they must provide to anyone who walks through the doors, right? Guess what? Every single time someone uninsured (or who can't pay the bill even if they are insured) gets care through an ER....and many times those uninsureds either aren't really an "emergency" or they become emergent simply because they've had to put off care for so long...the rest of the public is forced to pay. Seems like it would make a hell of a lot more sense to make these people BUY insurance and then all the insureds won't be paying for their care in the end. But I shouldn't attempt to actually talk "common sense" to someone who is SOOOOOO "right"

Mr D,

First and foremost, I am 100% 'cool' in allowing an ER to deny those that seek assistance via the emergency room hospital visit to relieve them of the problematic cold. I am against those that abuse the system to the effect of 'hiking' the rates for those that are truly in need of 'Emergency care'. The law was designed to assist those that were in 'critical' need: Not the vagrants that depend on the ER to thwart the need to pay their fair share; such as illegal immigrants and those that do not want to carry their own weight in our society. Or those that do not want the stigma of using 1 of the tens of thousands of health clinics available to them. You know, the ones that are already funded with our tax dollars?

The dictate that you refer to has been sorely abused. Due to the broad language in the law that you refer to, those that arrive at the ER are abusing this mandate, knowing full well that the language allows them to do so. Such is the problem of our so called 'good will intentions'. The mandate in fact was put into place to secure the rights of those in 'dire' need of health care: i.e, critical conditions. At no time was it meant to be used to treat headaches, or common ailments that can otherwise be handled by over the counter medications. Yet, you would have those that are actually ignorant of this fact believe that your self-righteous gospel is a truism. It is in fact flawed.

So yes Mr. D, I would in fact deny those with non-life threatening conditions, or those that do not have traumatic injuries. In fact, I would demand that they pay up front in order to be treated for their simplistic health issues should they aqrrive at the ER. Or, at the very least, give them an address to the nearest clinic.

Dr. B., the option where they get their care at the public trough though an E.R. has absolutely got to be cheaper than standing up a massive new federal bureaucracy including hiring a huge number of new IRS agents and other bureaucrats to enforce the law, plus still pay for the care they could have gotten yesterday at the ER. I bet we could stand up special clinics for them at hospitals and have it be cheaper. And all of this for what? To cover fewer than 10% of the population who don't have insurance but want it (remember that a bunch of other folks don't want it). We're forced to reengineer the whole medical insurance system (and by extension medicine itself) and inflict this on the entire population for less than 10% who arguably already receive care, and do it in an unconstitutional manner to boot? It's patently absurd on the face of it.

Your arguments are fruitless. Why do the poor use the emergency room instead of seeing a family doctor? Because it is the only resource for health care they can access. They have no money, Fool! Doctors in private practice rarely see these folks. What is the first thing they ask you when you sign in at the office? Cash or insurance! You can not convince me that the poor sit around the table thinking up ways they can scam the system. If you read the paper at all you will find the true scammers are those in the profession that file BILLIONS of dollars in false claims every year and then disappear. Quit making up crap! I, for one, believe Medicare for all is the solution. The only drawback that I see is that the unemployment rate would skyrocket when big insurance has to lay off thousands they no longer need to administer their fraud.

Right according to who? This is the Republican problem.....you think you know it all for everyone......what did Bush do?

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." ~ Ronald Reagan

It's hilarious to watch you guys bump into each other trying to make points about something of which you know nothing. Then when you falter and fail, you point the finger at anyone but yourselves, and demand that "they" fix it.

What I know is this; Truth is rooted deep in the DNA of the reasonable and right. To abandon that truth, is to destroy the very thing that gives you life. Deny the truth long enough, and your mind will become permanently unable to see it. THAT is what has happened to you.

The reason you CAN'T argue it, is because you don't have the reasoning ability TO argue it.

But it's okay. We can re-teach you and re-form you. Just start by going to the one who pays your salary. He or she is Conservative and Right. That is how they got where they are. They can help you out of your "self" ...but only if you're sincere in your desire to be rehabilitated.

" Truth is rooted deep in the DNA of the reasonable and right."

Oh BS!

So you like your own words sooooo much you're going to post and repost them?

Hey Steve,

Ya might wish to review the current Supreme Court Members and their voting records

before making such an inane statement.

Secondly, remember who has nominated the most recent Supreme Court Candidates? Say...

Your Master, B. H. O.

May God help you and others during the coming times.

Pitiful, plum pitififul. Those who "think" they know, really have no CLUE.

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." ~ Ronald Reagan

It's hilarious to watch you guys bump into each other trying to make points about something of which you know nothing. Then when you falter and fail, you point the finger at anyone but yourselves, and demand that "they" fix it.

What I know is this; Truth is rooted deep in the DNA of the reasonable and right. To abandon that truth, is to destroy the very thing that gives you life. Deny the truth long enough, and your mind will become permanently unable to see it. THAT is what has happened to you.

The reason you CAN'T argue it, is because you don't have the reasoning ability TO argue it.

But it's okay. We can re-teach you and re-form you. Just start by going to the one who pays your salary. He or she is Conservative and Right. That is how they got where they are. They can help you out of your "self" ...but only if you're sincere in your desire to be rehabilitated.

I agree and am against the health care bill. I moved to Europe immediately after college because I was convinced that socalistic programs were the way to go. After almost 40% of my paycheck going to something: 1) I never used 2)I never trusted because the quality is so poor, I decided to return to America. I remainded in Europe for almost 3 years working. I got tired and moved back because I didn't realize how good we have it here. If people need help, then the Government should help them. Don't fix something that isn't broken. If I'm doing okay, I don't want anyone's help. It's a shame that people need to see a program or political figure fail before saying "hmm, maybe this wasn't such a good idea."

Still name calling and using militaristic insinuations in your insults.....Republicans will never change.

follow the yellow brick...uh, why don't you follow the link?

Quote from the bill please.

What insurance is that Idahomom?

There is no government insurance in the bill.

And no, they can't take your house.

Who fills your head with this sort of crap?

Who told you that?

you look it up, you lazy "dem"wit. starting in 2014 the government will also have a way to get in your bank account to collect your premiums or your "fine" if you don't pay.

The bigger question is why people are so eager to believe things that they haven't looked at for themselves. We are ON the interwebs right now, why wouldn't you bother to check the validity of something BEFORE repeating it?

well at the dems have stuck the foot in the butt agai. if they ahd any balls they woudl have repealed the law and gotten on with busness. they seem to forget why so many lost their seat last fall. teh health bill was a sham to begin with and is still a sham. it is ironic that many of the dems before even said they were disappointed with it yet did not go along toe repeal it. reed and the wicked witch must have something on all of them for those two are the worst representatives this country has ever had. self interest to them is first and only.

Amazing how some far right fools just want to show off their ignorance. They are in a rush to judgement on just how the Supreme Court will rule. Personally while a bit apprehensive I will wait first until they decide to hear the case, then on their decision and hopefully their ignorance will not pour forth as it does on here so often.

koolyouth - apparently the republican congressmen/women don't like any part of it.

Well, if those Republican congressmen/women don't like it, they sure better be turning down that health care plan the American taxpayers provide for them.  Because it has every damn benefit that the bill they want to deny us has in it.

Karen Page, I have news for you. It would take too long to bring you to your senses, but President Reagan brought on the depression we have now. The loss of jobs, over valued housing, etc was done by Reagan. And I could prove it. The Democrats didn't bring on the loss of jobs. The Repulicans did. The Republicans will due anything to get their way. I don't agree with the requirement that every one has to have health policies. They should, but not by force. But the Republicans reject it without having any thing to replace it! That's stupid! They want power but don't know how it use it. Just make sure that the rich get more & the others have none.

Carboy, Thank you for the laugh. That's the best one yet!