Again, poor no jo cannot tell the difference between an opinion piece and factual presentation. Just because the mental midget that wrote that agrees with you no jo, does not make him correct. By the way, you present yourself as knowing all, how come you didn't predict this?

So, nojonobo, when do you think Obama should have started bombing Cairo?

I keep wondering if no jo thinks that the Revolutionaries were going to call the President and say: "by the way, just wanted to let you know that we plan on getting Mubarek out of power in the next few weeks, that okay by you?"

No Jo, you mean you think the Obama administration ignored something like a memo with the headline "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S?" Is that what you expect will come out?

Amy...no but Clinton did...many times. He had several chances to get him and knew exactly where he was. After the Cole and embassy bombings that Al Qaida took responsibility for, he still sat on his hands.

AZChzhd

Oh, please. Clinton had a good reason not to kill Bin Laden when the opportunity arose - a Saudi Prince was in the way and if he had been killed, it would have created an up roar among our Middle Eastern allies. There is no evidence Bush had a good reason to ignore a memo with the headline "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S."

Amy...Hold on a second, 2001 was just 3 years after the Cole and embassy bombings. You argue going after bin Laden in 1998, when we knew where he was, would have created an uproar amongst our Muslim allies, but 3 years later, it wouldnt have? And over a memo, of all things?! Who cares!!

A memo isnt all inclusive evidence of imminent disaster. The aftermath of bombings of our embassy and our USS Cole IS! Face it, Clinton dropped the ball.

It's Obama fault! It's Clinton's fault! Make up your mind. Neither let over 3000 die on US soil. Only Bush did that. Still remember the "Deer in headlight look". Will never trust a Bush with my safety again. Sorry Jeb. You seem like the intelligent one however fool me once shame on you! Fool me twice.....

no joe,

“It is terrifying to have someone so incompetent in the White House. I only pray we survive.”

You, I and millions sure prayed hard to survive when W. Bush was in the White House. Thank God that President Obama was elected to save us.

really anabanana - other than believing in conspiracy theories I suppose you also want to say that bush and son were on the grassy knoll in dallas that fateful day in 1963?

to other posters above. Just how effective do you believe obamas and hillary's foriegn policy has been to date? Don't recall a whole lot of positive press from anyone last year as obama toured to India and points East. The only successes were from business deals already in motion being finalized when obama said this is what he did. Even in a phone interview with Henry Kissinger today on bloomberg TV kissinger said that obama and hillary talked to much in public about what obama & company wanted mubareck to do, all without knowing how the Egyption crises was going to play out.

Obama saying "I told mubareck...". Hillary saying that their had to be a transition to a peaceful democratic government. Both saying that mubareck had to allow peaceful protest to occur. Obama impliing that american aid may be withheld if mubareck didn't do what obama/hillary said. Anyone listening to the full comments made by obama and hillary (available online, in their entirety) could see where they were heading. A diplomatic faux poo to be sure.

Yessir obama & company, let's just let America butt its head into another countries domestic issues while the waters are still muddy and dank. Makes me wonder if obama called mubareck or if mubareck asked for obamas and hillary's advice.

Amazing that two other allies of Egypt have kept their mouths shut, other than to say that they were concerned about the events unfolding in Egypt. They would be the Palestinians and Israel.

Also seems that obama created quite an impression also in 2009 and 2010 as being anti business as well. Seems like his "shellacking" in Nov 2010 made him realize that business is what creates private sector jobs and that private sector jobs pays for government employees and benefits, state sponsored welfare entitlements, our military and numerous bloated federal departments of (insert name) that duplicate many of the services that state and local governments provide

To Houston - please tell us when you stopped beating your significant other.]

Yes joe1, so glad that the 2005 jr senator from illinois was allowed to learn how to be potus and foreign diplomat thru on the job training. Only took him until Nov 2010 to start showing the rudimentals of leadership and he has yet to show us any effective foriegn policy attributes.

Looks like when 2012 rolls around 'loose lips' biden... "mubarack is not a dictator" will be replaced by hillary and hopefully someone more skilled in foriegn affairs will become the new sec. of state if and only if obama is re-elected.

American,

Another attempt at critical thinking falling very short. Again your talking points are far better suited to the airhead bloggers of Fox News. MSNBC may have liberal bias, I think they do, however intelligence is present in this blog. Not so much at Fox. Maybe someone there will buy what you are selling.

NewDayDawning10,

You are unbelieveable, NoJo finds a source that backs up her argument, then you criticize her for "cherry picking" a source that backs her up. Politico is a fairly reputable source of information, it may be wrong in this case, but its just as reputable as some of the other sources seen on this site. The Huffington Post and Think Progress are hardly unbiased sources of information. Yet they are quoted as the gospel day in and day out. Would you like to make a rule that only you can decide what a fair source is?

janet: no jo did not find something to support her point. She found an OPINION article, but having read your posts, I realize that you do not know the difference either. Let me help you with the difference. A factual article is one that puts in names dates and sources. Opinion, is well, "here is what I think, because "well, I hate President Obama." Kind of like you and no jo, right?

AZChzhd, I do remember what was going on in 1998, the Impeach Clinton fiasco! When Clinton tried to rally an attack on Bin Ladin, the "Conservatives" blocked it, muttering about "wag the dog" and claiming that Clinton was merely trying to divert attention away from his scandal. The Republicans were more obsessed about harmless hanky-panky in the Oval Office than about a serious terrorist threat in a far-away land.

Again with the Fox news. This is MSNBC. I swear the left are the ones fixated with Fox news. I never hear anyone from the right even post a link from Fox as a source or talk about Fox news. Its always the liberals with the Fox noise and Faux News. How original! Not! But the liberal have no problem uing Think Progress as a source! Whoa!! Talk about biased news sources.

CM...now that you mention it, it comes back to mind. But the hanky panky wasnt the issue. It was the lying under oath. If Clinton would have just come right out and said "yea, I got a blow job, but take a look at Hillary and you will understand", we would all have been going about our merrily little way.

I liked Clinton. I didnt have many issues with him as a president. I thought the impreachment deal was overdone. As a conservative, I had alot of issues with Bush after 2003 and have too many to list with Obama!

annabanana that is the best you have? I suppose you like watching whatever it is you watch or dream about. Please remind us all on how multiple sources edit obamas and hillary's televised comments to all sound the same?

If you choose to ignore what and how obama and company appear and sound on televised real time events or even on quotations cited here by msnbc editors you do have what appears to be personal problems.

Houston...we dont know if that law in the 90s was unconstitutional or not. It didnt pass. Obamacare passed, therefore the scrutiny is on.

But as I said before, when times are good, politicians seem to get away with alot more than when times are bad.

That was 1994, this is 2011. That was almost 2 decades ago. Lawyers today are more skilled and have studied this possibility for years.

Obama is not the only constitutional lawyer in the U.S. Believe it or not, there are people that know a lot more than he does.

And here I was afraid I was the only one realizing the irony of Houston's repeated reiteration of that democratic talking point. Turns out it was a bad idea when proposed by the republicans in the 90s but a good idea when proposed by the democrats in the '00s? Sorry. Not buying it. Bad idea then, hence the legislation going no where. Bad idea now, hence the challenge of it's constitutionality. The fact that there were no challenges 16 years ago is simply the fact that it never made it past the floor of the Senate- no law equals no reason to challenge the law. But since when has logic or reason ever entered into the picture?

So Americans are happy with their health care. The coverage they have, the premiums they pay, the terms of the coverage. Really? We care more about the coverage our car or our home has then about the coverage WE have? Really? We would rather be sick than well? Really?

The real reason the Republicans came up with the mandate idea was that they knew Hillarycare wouldn't pass and they could sucker the Democrats into using the mandate later saying it was a Republican idea. All the while knowing that any health care law including a mandate was unconstitutional. The Democrats bought it hook, line, and sinker. And now Obama is saying WTF! How's that for a conspiracy theory

Houston - your reference to Adams requiring seamen to carry their own insurance is not borne by the source you referenced. After reading thru the legislation written at that time (from your link) I have seen no reference requiring the seaman to have individual health insurance, just that a tax would be collected from the owners/masters based on the number of crew verified to be directed for the temporary relief of sick and disabled seamen..

The law as written in the late 1700's and as posted in your link below seems to meet the requirements of section 8, par 1 of the US Constitution. Your wishfull thinking requiring seamen to buy their own health insurance does not.

http://open.salon.com/blog/paul_j_orourke/2010/03/24/news_pres_signs_h-care_insurance_mandate-212_years_ago　

Spin all you want, still can't find in the constitution any mention of allowing individual mandates just that congress can enact laws. Section 8 paragraph 1 seems to be the closest to any type of mandate in the following form...

1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Often wondered how mandating the collexction of SS was accomplished without violation of the US constittion. Now I understand. However, I can now also see how the mandate for individuals to be required to have health insurance or be fined for not having it can be seen as unconstitional. Amazing on how 44 words can explain something so clearly. To bad todays politicians can't write so clearly and succinctly today.

Fieldon (post 3.5) - actually I would be happy to receive the same healthcare coverage our federal politicians receive and at the same premium they pay, after all the private sector taxpayer does fund their coverage. Same retirement benefits wouldn't hurt either! As for auto and home insurance let us leave that for the states to determine through the US constitutions 10 th amendment

dotti,

You should be asking Pres Obama and the Dems... they've had 2 years. The newly elected folks have had 3+ weeks.

President Obama, where are the jobs?

Nope, sorry Mark. The Republican leadership made many promises about putting jobs first, and they are off in theocracy land trying to codify their religious views at the expense of middle America. Their problem. Boehner, get out of the local watering hole and get to work.

newday...Republicans are making good on a promise they made during the campaigns that got them elected, repealing Obamacare. The bluest state in the union, Massachusetts, elected a Republican, Scott Brown, who ran a campaign entirely on being the 41st senator to kill Obamacare.

And I agree wholeheartedly that Obamacare is job killing. The mandates alone are problematic, cumbersome, and expensive to both small businesses and individuals. The CBO uses accounting gimmicks to make the HCR look like a deficit reducer, such as massive cuts to medicare to help fund Obamacare (like that will happen). Robbing Peter to pay Paul is not good fiscal policy for the government. But of course, the Democrats mastered the art of doing that by trying that policy on with social security.

The government has never been the epitome of efficiency and smart investments. It has always been filled with overburdening bureaucracy and waste. It has generally ruined everything it touches, even if it has good intentions. Yet certain segments of society (namely the left) want to entrust it with the keys to healthcare?? I'm at a loss for words.

No it isn't. The estimates are that it will increase employment, our business has already hired. By the way, are you aware that this almost the exact policy that the Republicans were championing during the Clinton health care debate? I can tell by the way you write that you get your "news" from Fox. Do yourself a favor and turn it off.

Only the left is fixated on Fox. I am on MSNBC, in case you missed it. Most of the Republicans from the 90s are not here anymore. The voters did a good job dumping most of those career politicians in the primaries. What we have now are conservatives looking to return to its roots. The RINOs are a thing of the past. You liberals should have enjoyed it while it lasted.

Newday:

Did you vote for any Republican?????? Rest my case, no more questions.

The CBO uses accounting gimmicks to make the HCR look like a deficit reducer

Not like we ever had, but if both sides can't agree that the CBO is non-partisan accounting then you can't cut costs ANYWHERE because no one will believe the numbers. If you believe that the CBO is using accounting gimmicks then the Tea Party mantra about 2nd amendment remedies becomes even more possible.

The mandates alone are problematic, cumbersome, and expensive to both small businesses and individuals.

Most small businesses do not provide healthcare benefits at all - they can't afford it.

Some companies offer PT jobs to circumvent the requirment to provide Helathcare.

So yes, they will have to do something under the new Healthcare bill but if providing a Healthcare plan for their workers is that SOMETHING, what is the problem? The cost ? All businesses are just going to pass that cost directly on to the consumer which is what ALL BUSINESSESS do.

The government has never been the epitome of efficiency and smart investments. It has always been filled with overburdening bureaucracy and waste. It has generally ruined everything it touches...

Are you under the impression that Healthcare WORKS today? Either :

A. You or a close family member has never been to the hospital and seen the bills.

B. Taken a close look at you paycheck stub. You are paying an arm and a leg for your coverage

If this Healthcare bill is repealed, then be happy with what you have because there will be no other attempt to address Healthcare ever again.... Like the man said.. the current Healthcare situation is "Don't Get Sick" and if you do "Die quickly "

"The RINOs are a thing of the past."

Yeah, and I hope the "real" Republicans defeat Olympia Snowe, our resident RINO, in the primaries - the woman who won 75% of the vote in her last election. You guys are killing your party by promoting the nutjobbers and flakes. Now, Rand Paul is cute, I grant you, but one of him on the national scene, in my opinion, is enough.

" The government has never been the epitome of efficiency and smart investments. It has always been filled with overburdening bureaucracy and waste. It has generally ruined everything it touches, even if it has good intentions."

What a load of ideolgical sloganeering you spew. Like the Apollo moonwalk was a triumph of private industry. When did it become patriotic to denigrate the achievements of our system of government?

If there is a fire escape outside your office building thank Frances Perkins, the woman who fought for safety codes in FDR's cabinet. Have you ever been laid off and needed to collect unemployment? It fell to the federal government to clean up our environment after private industry got done polluting it. Yeah, that's a system created by Democrats. What did Republicans create recently? Deregulating banking practices which lead to the mortgage crisis. Thanks alot.

Nutjobbers and flakes? And the Democrats have none of those? Barney Frank is a total tool. Ditto for Chris Dodd. Hank Johnson, the Democrat Senator from Georgia, thinks Guam will tip over and capsize if we put more troops there. Dont even get me started on the twins, Boxer and Pelosi from California.

The left complains when the Republicans are acting like liberals with their government expansion and big spending under Bush and Reagan (yea that means Olympia Snowe and Collins), then complain when conservatives who are voted in actually try to cut the fat and be conservative!

You cant have it both ways. Talking out of both sides of your mouth is a skill the left admires.

Amy...Snowe won with 75% yes, but that was 2006. Times have changed. We'll see if she has the same luck in 2012. Had she been up for re-relection in 2010, she probably wouldnt be here right now. Especially given the assault on both sides, but mostly the right, against career politicians.

"Nutjobbers and flakes? And the Democrats have none of those?" Of course we do, but we don't nominate them to be Vice President.

"The left complains when the Republicans are acting like liberals with their government expansion and big spending under Bush and Reagan" Er, if government expanded under Bush and Reagan doesn't that make "govenment expansion" a philosophy of the Republicans?

"conservatives who are voted in actually try to cut the fat and be conservative!" Like a Million dollar Bridge to Nowhere awarded to Alaska to create jobs there? How about a sports arena for little old Wasilla? The hypocrisy of your side is what burns my butt. You talk about "fiscal conservatism" but you hardly practice it. The country hits the skids after a two term Republican administration, and you respond by changing your brand name to the Tea Party just in time to cripple the country with spending cuts when every economist says stimulus spending pulls a country out of recessions.

When was the election? 2010?? And you are referring to Ted Stevens, who is dead? I am talking about this past election, you know, the one where the Democrats got their butts handed to them? Yea, that one. NOW, the conservatives, NEW members like Ryan and Paul, trying to cut the fat. Dont be trying to bring up ancient history that isnt relative to the discussion.

Er, if government expanded under Bush and Reagan doesn't that make "govenment expansion" a philosophy of the Republicans?

No, its a philosophy of RINOs, of the Reagan and Bush administrations, not conservatives.

"Nutjobbers and flakes? And the Democrats have none of those?" Of course we do, but we don't nominate them to be Vice President.

Hmmm, Joe Biden? You dont have a strong case there. You liberals like to blame Bush for the Patriot Act, when it was Biden who dreamt it up after the OKC bombing.

Amy...you will see another side of history that suggests the stimulus spending and excessive debt crimps recovery for prolonged periods of time. In fact, there have been debates on whether the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression by as much as 7 years. It wasnt til WWII did the depression ease its grip. Yes, a war.

" I am talking about this past election, you know, the one where the Democrats got their butts handed to them?"

"Those who refuse to remember history are doomed to repeat it." The US is one third Democratic, one third Republican and one third Independent. The Independents swing the power to whomever isn't currently in control whenever the "wrong track" warning light goes on. If you think the Independents are suddenly Tea Party converts, you haven't been following Sarah Palin's approval numbers.

Republicans won the governorship and State House in Maine in 2010, and one month later they are set to lose in 2012 because they mucked things up so badly. When will politicians learn majorities are not meant to be permanent?

"the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression by as much as 7 years"

The history I have read said that the recovery stalled when FDR stopped the spending out of fear of the deficits he was creating. I know the actions FDR took saved many families from starvation and homelessness, as well as the actions he took to set up regulations that saved us from another Great Depression in 2007. Many people credit the military spending caused by WWII for ending the Great Depression.

Any way you look at it, worldwide, stimulus spending is the prescription for getting out of a recession, look at Japan. The consenus on Japan is that they stopped stimulus spending too soon, when they tried to pay down their debt, thus halting their recovery. It's important to learn from other countries. And Republicans were lauding the Irish for their fiscal conservatism - right before their economy tanked thanked to unsound banking practices.

Furthermore, the steps the Obama administration took worked. Ford is making a profit for the first time in how many years? Now, if only we had been able to raise taxes on the wealthiest, we would be on track to lower the federal deficit.

Azchzhd: NEW members like Ryan and Paul, trying to cut the fat.

They aren't just intent on cutting the fat, they are cutting the lean, and the muscle and the sinew. That's not honorable, that's irresponsible!

fieldon - your significant other has cancer or MRSA (sp) do you want them to only cut out the visible tumor or infection? I suppose you may be fine with this but the surgean knows better. Wonder why women have breasts removed?

Last week on TV the comment was made that the republican plan to create a balanced budget would take about 55 years to achieve. Sure doesn't sound like they are cutting into the lean, the muscle or sinew either

Seems more likely that both parties are more interested in kicking the proverbial can down the street. To date only two senators in a bipartisan move are interested in putting forth the presidents bipartisan commissions recommendations (in its entirety) on the table for discussion, regardless of what obama or their fellow legislatures wants. Brave men more interested in the common welfare of America than their re-election possibilities.

Azchzhd: "No, its a philosophy of RINOs, of the Reagan and Bush administrations, not conservatives."

So you're trying to say that St. Ronald and St. George of W were actually RINOs and not conservatives?

LOL! Under those standards, there are NO Conservatives at all, just RINOS pretending to be! The sad fact is the only thing Conservatives ever conserve is their own wealth, when in power they cut their taxes and let the deficits soar!

CM...There are RINOs and then there are conservatives. Just like you have Democrats and blue dogs.

So you're trying to say that St. Ronald and St. George of W were actually RINOs and not conservatives?

Pretty much. Reagan and Bush tried their hand at amnesty. Medicare expansion. Liberal ideologies at work there.

when in power they cut their taxes and let the deficits soar!

Yea, thats a problem. Hence the rise of the tea party. The liberals seems to think the Tea Party is a movement against the left. I feel its more a movement against the right. Conservatives, like myself, have been frustrated with my own party's lack of self control. It is high time for the Republicans to return to its conservative roots. That is where your alleged saints Reagan and Bush have failed conservatives.

See, your statement proves my point how the Democrats complained when the Republicans spent too much and acted like liberals bloating the government and running up deficits and then complain when the Republicans want to finally act like conservatives. Its really quite amazing!

The Independents swing the power to whomever isn't currently in control whenever the "wrong track" warning light goes on. If you think the Independents are suddenly Tea Party converts, you haven't been following Sarah Palin's approval numbers.

I agree with part one.

I do not agree with part two. I believe the independents are scared to death of the direction Obama is taking this country, and rightfully so. Otherwise, they would have been happy to stay on the left side of the tracks, dont you think?

You talk about "fiscal conservatism" but you hardly practice it

I hardly practice it? Me? lol Man, I have no debt except for a mortgage. I'd say I am pretty fiscally conservative. Maybe you ought to have said "the Republicans hardly practiced it." If thats what you mean, then yes you are 100% correct.

But that statement right there is the biggest contributer to the rise of the Tea Party. Its more a referedum of the Republican party's fiscal irresponsibility. We all know the left will never change in that regard as sloppy with finances (see Dodd and Frank), but the Republicans MUST change if we stand a chance in this country.

What a drama queen.