AP
In this March 12, 2002 file photo, Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge unveils a color-coded terrorism warning system in Washington created after the September 11th attacks.
From NBC's Pete Williams
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is expected to announce tomorrow that the color-coded threat advisory system, launched after the 9/11 attacks but now more or less discarded, will be formally scrapped this spring.
DHS has for the past several months moved away from the threat system. The threat level was not changed, for example, after the underwear bombing attempt on Christmas Day 2009, after the car bomb attempt last year in Times Square, or when package bombs were detected on cargo flights last fall.
Instead, DHS has more directly communicated intelligence directly to those considered most likely to need it and has made information public without resorting to changing the threat level.
The system was frequently used after its inception, with the threat level changed 16 times after it was introducted in 2002.
But no changes have been made to the threat level in any sector since August 2006.


BTW, the Dow is over 12,000!
WTG President Obama & the democratic Congress for saveing America from Ruination!
Where are the billions and billions of dollars that the FED is printing during their "quantitive easing" scam going? I looked in my mailbox, they didn't send me any. Where oh where could all that money be going?
The unemployed are probably dancing in the streets knowing the Dow broke 12,000, now maybe enough Corporate capital will be available to relocate some more jobs overseas. One thing that no one can accuse Wall Street of is being Patriotic, true dat. What's good for Wall Street used to be good for Main Street, those days are gone. Truth be known if Wall Street went broke the World would be a better place for most, but this Plutocracy we live in won't let that happen, the Street has an entire nation of struggling taxpayers to keep their greedy asses whole when they run off in the ditch, the less fortunate of this country do a bang up job of paying for the greedy bastards on Wall Streets mistakes, it's a truly American tradition.
oooops time to illegally invade another country, where is jeb for the threepete.....
the colors have to be dropped because if they go down a color we the palin stupids might ask why kids and grandmas still need to be fondled and molested
Yeah, WTG Odumo!! and the rest of the Democrats. Thanks for "saveing" us!!! Woo. I'm sure the economy is doing great since the DOW is over 12k. They are doing such a great job.
And bs, are we illegally staying in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why doesn't your president fulfill his campaign promise and bring our troops home? (Actually why doesn't he fulfill any of his campaign promises?)
It's about time they got rid of it. Now if we can just get the DHS to get rid of itself along with its leashed dog named TSA...
Right on Gordon. The "rainbow of doom", NHS and TSA are all redundant examples of expansive bureaucracy and kabuki theater. There were already enough agencies and laws...too many in fact, part of why one hand didn't know what the other was doing.
Ben-1671313
Are you really that miss-informed. Have you at all looked at the list of accomplishments that were, in fact aligned with his campaign promises? The list is quite impressive. The problem is that no matter if it was presented to you you would obviously find some issue to cling to uphold your myopic view. I suppose all the credit for preventing a complete depression should have gone to the Republicans who created the mess in the first place.
Or...maybe the recovery was all done in the last couple of weeks when the new house started in session. Oh...that's right...they started focusing on repealing Healthcare instead of jobs or economic recovery. This is rather hypocritical when they blamed Obama for focusing on Healthcare instead of the economy even though the policies that the administration put in place diverted a depression and showed 4 quarters of continued growth.
Trank. Pick one from your impressive list.
This will be easy. But I am sure you will counter that is all a lie. Give me a break! You state no promises kept. Get real and actually read something instead of making false statements.
Not sure why the link I posted did not appear:
Perhaps there's some kind of truth filter on this thing.
The color-code was used by Bush/Cheney to scare people. Guess people aren't so scared anymore.
Hi Ron!
I'm pleased to see the be so scared you'll 'cr@p yourself' color 'code' retired myself!
Anyone remember the neat little 'trick' at the end of October 2004?
Sure. Now why should anyone be afraid of terrorists? Seems like the TSA has our airports totally in hand and all. Right Ron? Do any flying lately? It's ok Napaolitano says everything is A OK.
Naps has it covered, 24/7, 364 days a year, in all 57 states.
We still have to be on guard for threats but, I did think the whole "color" thing was dumb.
I think just informing the public about potential threats is enough.
You gotta love those right wingers they just love the fear tactics. That Code system was put in place by the neocon to scare saps into believe Osama was going to get them.
Well sorry that crap Tom Ridge sold you was a bunch of the chicken little bs the all of the sheep fall for.
Pull your head out of the sand! You guys need some fresh air.
What kind of threat level code are the Russians using? That seems to work.
I don't recall it ever having been lower than "orange", so there's no reason for "yellow" to exist, and since there was no relationship between the perceived threat level and the actual incidence of terrorist attempts, "red" doesn't have much credibility either.
No great loss, and good riddance to bad rubbish. Now if we can only get the TSA to take their hands out of our collective crotch and step away from the porn-scanners, we'll be good to go.
Really that country is coming apart at the seems. Their use of force is the reason Innocent people die in bombings and hostage situations which they deal with on a regular basis over there. Oppression only works for a short time before there is a backlash. Violence never works out in the end it takes working together through compromise.
It worked for the Romans Devie. Possibly our comrades have under-estimated the importance of Family-oriented Gladiator extraveganzas.
It seems to me that installing locking cockpit doors back in the seventies ( like El Al & Lufthansa, for example ) when Islamic extremists were hijacking planes would have been a good start. Furthermore, the airlines and the government could have saved a lot of money and frustration if they had just trained and installed armed air marshals on planes right out of the gate after 9/11. Also, when one looks at the terrible events of that day and the lives lost, it might be an acceptable risk to depressurise the passenger compartment in the case of an hijacking attempt, thereby rendering the terrorists unconscious, the flight attendants and air marshals could use portable oxygen to remain functional. True, that we might lose some innocent passenger's lives using this tactic, but if the plane goes down we lose everybody anyway, plus people on the ground. I think it would also be a good idea to rethink who we allow to come to our country to attend flight training.
No political ramifications there whatsoever.
That sure was a juvenile tactic that the Bush administration used to get Republicans elected. But it worked. Democrats don't want to repeat the same schoolyard tactics but we should be ready for the next stupid scam. If you're looking for one, tune into Fox News. I'm sure that they will make you pine for the good ole Bush a.holes.
ThisIs what you find important enough to report on?!?!?
How about this
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48226.html
What is wrong- cannot stop the Obama cheerleading long enough to report on something of vital importance?
Obama is going to have to scrap his plans for shiny new trains no one will ride, "green technology" that uses more energy than it produces, and all of his other rainbow and unicorn ideas.
We need spending cuts. Now. Deep ones.
Time has run out.
So, then- this post is about trains of some sort?
Wouldn't you think the phony PHD would be more comfortable discussing this article on the Politico site?
Instead, she continues to come to FR to stink the place up?
Wonder if the link is at least from this year?
The other day she posted something from 2007 and tried to pass it off as current! lol
First of all, click the link- it is on Politico now.
Second, I did not try to "pass off" anything- I clearly stated that the link was from 2007, but was relevant because the case was scheduled to go to court in November, 2010- but got postponed. Again.
Now I know why "ignore" does not work on responses.
No Jo, this morning the story came out that the deficts will increase to 1.5 trillion this year, its up due to the tax cut and unemployment deal the president, Bohner, cantor and McConnel signed off on.
i think it would help if your governor would PLEASE GIVE the feds back the 270 million Jersey owes, but instead he is going to spend more money on lawyers in order to not give it back, that the way to go No Jo spend more money in order to not pay back, is this going to be the new republican governors theme.
Wow! How about that maybe if we start looking for answers instead of excuses we may be able to accomplish something. Either you are part of the solution or you are part of the problem. I'm guess you are the latter.
Thanks njnb! You and your GOP pals would rather we just do the Drill, Baby, Drill crap and keep the status quo. Thank goodness people like Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Alexander Graham Bell and Steve Jobs didn't listen to the naysayers like you.
Time to move ahead so you better get on board the train is about to leave the station.
Devie, you are kidding, right?
Let's try one, fairly simple, issue: electric cars.
Sounds good, right? Well, I have two questions for you: where does the electricity come from to recharge the batteries, and where do the worn out batteries go?
Here is a hint: they are not recharged by rainbows, and unicorns do not come in the night to take them to the land of worn out batteries, where they are turned into chocolate lollipops.
feisty redhead
Want to go skating at Turner pond? I'll meet you by Lynfreds winery.
And even better is the giant batteries that die after about 10 years. So where do you dispose of all that waste, cause battery acid ain't the greenest stuff around.
But hey its totally cool was all get to subsidize the green weenies in their electric cars. Yet another technology wholly reliant on the tax dole.
Lynfreds ROCKS!
Ever shop at Pik-Wik?
no joe, no bo, nj
You have to be kidding right,
You worried about worn out batterys and the electiicty is coming from. this is the least of our problems. if we don't have a problem getting rid of car batterys that we have used for 90 years, car batterys are recycled, the reason why you get money back for turning in old car batterys is because they are recycled, the same will be for electric cars.
Feisty
Hell yes! Millions of times.
I grew up on Elm street. One of my buddies grew up in the house that is now the winery. I used to run around in there. Now I live about ten miles north of Green Bay Wi. I was in Roselle at Christmas time.
njnb,
Well people used to (and some still do) dump used motor oil down the storm drains among other places. Yes I know where electricity comes from and as far as the old batteries well that is where government could help like they do in California with the law for recycling used motor oil, you sell it you must provide a place to return it. You do know that lead acid batteries must be returned to the place where you buy them or you are charged for the "core". Batteries are recycled and with the cost of the batteries for the hybrids they certainly are too.
Yes I do know something about cars I been in the industry since 1980. No need for Chocolate Lollipops. Thanks for the idea though.
Please - Please - Please tell me you're still a Bears fan? lol
Did you catch where the 'Coach House' made national news last week? Positively scandalous! ;o)
Yes. Bears fan. Lonely here in that respect.
What happened at the Coach House?
Where there is njnb or JoAnna there is always a Spanky. Where is ITM and Steve?
Bouncer tossed a pregnant woman who was drinking water out. Supposedly for her own safety. Now she's threatening to sue (of course)!
I've closed that place on more than one occasion and it can get pretty wild in there... lol
@ devie - you noticed that to? Don't forget Bob! He's a rather sensitive old guy and you wouldn't want to hurt his feelings! ;o)
also, njnb, that article was reported here earlier, noonish, if i remember correctly. and this is a first read, meaning it is not a full article, just a nub of information that something is going to happen, or may happen, or may not happen.
The color system was worthless, it provided no information, but plenty of shock value. The TSA does their job (something many people take for granted) insuring that they may be able to catch that one terrorist who may be "above suspicion." It sucks and needs to stop, but right now, it is the best we have while we are occupying a country that just plain doesn't like us.
Remember, you never hear about the terrorist attacks that don't happen.
cheers!
no joe, no bo, nj
This is certainly OFF TOPIC from the point of the thread but you opened this can of worms. As far as the DHS, the alert system has been a joke and has stayed Yellow for 95% of the time and changed only when Bush wanted to impact the 2004 election.
Now in response to your ill-informed statements about energy and infrastructure:
Actually, if you had a clue what your were talking about instead of assuming that it takes more energy to create batteries, green energy, and electric grids then they put out you would be dangerous. Actually, you are. Making broad statements that have no basis in fact simply extends the pool of the miss-informed. There are numerous new technologies that greatly reduce the carbon and energy footprint in the manufacturing process. There are some new sustainable energy approaches that have extremely small footprints. Take a look at Bloom Energy as a quick simple example
Making brash bold statements without any real credibility simply demonstratesthat you would rather sit on our laurels instead of being innovative and address the long-term needs of both our society and the planet as a whole.
We should NOT invest in our infrastructure because after all we must have the best in the world; right? Wrong, if we do not wake up and start investing in our future instead of only looking at corporate short term profits we will quickly be outsmarted and out competed in the global economy.
You may not believe in green energy; but I can tell you all of our global competition does. They are quickly ramping up to be the providers. We already saw how quickly the Chevy Volt is getting usurped by Toyota with their new electric car that has 105 HP and can go 100 miles. That is clearly better than the 30-40 miles per charge. Maybe we should just sit back and let the rest of the industrialized world dictate our direction. If we take your position we will be left in the dust.
Just another money costing deal done to the American taxpayers...
We are being lead by a pack of elephants and donkeys... And all are lying, cheating crooks... And we elected these fools...
We are rapidly approching the "point of no return"... Wake up America...!!
The Sky is Falling! The Sky is falling! This certainly isn't the first time that we have been lead by a bunch of lying, cheating crooks and it will not be the last. Take it easy Don we will survive without joining the Tea Party Express. I for one sure hope that the Bachmann response to the SOTU was the Tea Party's "jump the shark" moment. But when the do disappear in the rear mirror I sure will miss the laughs.
I personally think the color-coded threat system never made sense. Threats are ever present in society. Every-one must be vigilant at all times. Should we have relaxed when it was yellow? Or shaken in our shoes when it was red? It was designed more or less to coddle the people who asked "what are you doing to protect us?". No clear thinking individual could ever have thought it would make a difference in the long run.
I guess we've been on "orange" for so long, people just thought it was an advertisement for Oktoberfest. What's it going to take to enlighten DHS and travelers that we all travel at our own risk, whether it be driving our cars, flying, rail, etc.? Quit spending money trying to warn or scare us. Quit spending money on the strip searches and pat downs. Start spending money on something that works, like profiling. Too bad it's not as PC as everyone wants it to be, but that's the real, orange-colored world we live in.
Yeah...every time I've been in an airport for the last several years, it has always been on "orange".
It kind of loses its meaning after awhile.
And as for the strip searches and pat downs, don't get me started...
Never knew what to do about each color anyway. And it never dropped below yellow so that bureacrats could cover their butts. I guess that was the true purposes of the terrorist fashion statement.
Thank the good Lord for that. Now all of the lemmings can sleep safe at night. Leading through fear a GOP tradition!
I think they should put it in a museum for future generations to see just how stupid it got in America. It was classic BS. We knew what color it was, but not what time it was, when the color changed. Dig a hole in the ground or not dig a hole in the ground? What were we to do?
Geez.....remember the guy that duct-taped his house because of fear of anthrax? I believe it was a US Chemist that was the culprit, because when they questioned one of them, he committed suicide - or probably killed. Why? Must have known something. They screwed the other Chemist, but at least he got paid later.
I wounder how much money was spent to create, advertise and implement the color-coded threat system.
Way, Way too much. And knowing Bush it wasn't even on any budget. Because nothing in the "war on terror" was ever in any budget.
Guys, Bush is out of the picture. Stop going back and blaming him. Yes, we have a mess to clean up from wars that his administration felt were important to national security, even if they were not. But we live in the present, not the past. If we stop blaming the past, we can move into the future.
We as Americans have a massive deficit because we expect our leaders to use our collective resources to make all of our lives better. Unfortunately, we also expect them to do this without spending money. Bush went to war because he believed it was part of our national interest to take down... whatever country caused sept. 11th. Obama pushed through health care because he believed that part of our national interest was to insure health coverage for all. Both are massive undertakings of spending, but in Obama's health care, he chose to offset the cost of the bill with taxes.
Americans just plain don't like taxes....
Rambling done. Bush's war is on the budget, like it or not, and as an American, at the time, the war was kind of what you wanted. Now we need to foot the bill.
I always thought they should just use the 0-10 "pain-scale" chart they use in hospital instead.
I am also partial to the Def-Con thing. It was so much cooler/more profound to count down to nuclear annihilation than to worry about some jerk with a bomb in his ass...
The al qaeda color wheel terror-meter never did it for me at all, good riddance...
We still had these? It's been years since I heard that we were in the Magenta terror threat. What sypidity this was. Does anyone even remember what the colors were? I think that orange and red were a couple. Good riddance to another Bush administration fear/propoganda piece.
Obama should keep the Bushleague of injustices color coded fear mongering scheme...he can use it in 2012 to scare Republicans with terrorist red alerts...hey it worked for Cheney/Bush '04
The thing seemed to be defective by design. It never once dropped to blue or green. It never seemed to fluctuate around ACTUAL "attacks". There is evidence that it was used politically on more than one occasion. Its only purpose seemed to be to keep the country in a constant state of fear, luckily it failed as it was pretty much ignored by everyone.
We need to get rid of the ministry of propganda (DHS) as well. And isn't the TSA part of it too. Great. Get rid of the molesters in the Airports too. They can't even stop a gun getting through. How are they going to find a bomb?
So what are we going to use, "one if by land, two if by sea!"
Emergency communications via sirens are antiquated and ineffective. Cell phones and beepers are the modern equivalent.
Like the joke goes, "When you hear siren, kiss your ........good by, versus head for shelters.
Anyone remember bomb shelters? Guess not.
The only thing the color code did was lat the shrub stand up in front of the people in October 2004 and proclaim " SEE people, my administration is on top of the terrorists threats, they won't be able to attack us again" and Chicken hawk cheney went running to the underground bunker to hide and not come out for 6 months. Just a goper scare tactic to get reelected.
w bush, a lot of hard working Americans' retirements in the form of 401k and other investments are thriving because of the progress on Wall St. Don't think only the mega-wealthy have ties to the Dow and Wall St.
With the Napster in charge, we don't need any code. After all, whenever a terrorist attack fails, she will be the first to tell you that "the sytsem worked."
Remember when George Bush took office? Sure you do, after the budget was balanced (by Clinton), Bush said that we are taking in more money than we are spending, we need to give this money back, and stop taxing the Richie Rich's of the US so much. So we will cut taxes to the point where we were spending a lot more than we were taking in. The Republicans kept spending while they cut taxes wildly. Let's balance the books and bring taxes back where they should be.
Remember when Obama took office? He added Trillions and spent more than ALL of the Presidents combined. I think you're confused on who's spending what? Just courious, what tax bracket are you in?
The threat-level color coding made people more aware and it served a purpose that's no longer valid. Things change!!!! Why don't all of you self-serving, complain about everything, butt-nuggets, start blogging about that there aren't enough marshmallows in Lucky Charms cereal instead? I would love to hear your wacky conspiracy theories on that. Some of you just have something to say about everything and WAY TOO MUCH time on your hands. Get back to work!!!!!!
The color code was a guideline of your basic minimum, due to the threat level. To maintain staffing levels and responsibilities at red would be incredibly expensive and a terrible drain on resources. If anyone cares to do the research of terrorist tactics aside from obvious bloodshed, they will see what benefit was reaped by a simple guideline system of response to current threat levels that had been quickly established. I am not disputing that on the surface it appears quite knee jerk but it does promote a more rapid & even response to a potential threat that could take place anywhere. Remember that the enemy attempted and failed then returned and succeeded to knock down two of the tallest buildings in the world filled with innocent non-combatants. I would love to go further in depth but it is just not possible in this venue. Be reasonable and logical people as well as do your own research. Like it or not, all of us Americans are in this together. I would like to see how many of us would rather spend a month or two every year deciding where your tax dollars should be allocated and putting it on your tax return. I would not mind the extra work & would be quite interested to see what the tax paying populace would like. Unfortunately, I have three pans on the stove so gotta go. God bless America!
By the way Kevin, I agree with you obviously... but I am pretty upset about the lack of marshmallows in the Lucky Charms. I will just keep praying that one day that will be the worst we have to worry about.
Janet Napolitano has zero ability to make decisions about protecting our country. For example, I'm sure she thinks posting "no guns" signs on buildings keeps us safer, so her next move will be to post "no terrorists" signs at the airports. Same stupid logic.