I think he borrowed some Vick Vaporub from the Beckerhead!!

Okay, folks. Personal attacks on John Boehner are a little juvenile, don't you think? I believe Boehner is sincere in his views about how the nation should proceed toward renewed and long-lasting prosperity. I disagree with most of his beliefs, but I at least credit him with honest concern for such processes. Tearing up at emotional moments.... that's neither a sin nor a disqualifying characteristic for a political leader. And allegations of alcohol abuse is just plain dumb and unkind. Please: if you have a criticism, hit the facts. There are plenty of real issues ripe for criticism in an intelligent and forthright way.....

Get to Working, DBO, or Spanky & his Gang won't sign your PayCheck!

As for Speaker Boehner, at least his comment did'nt go like this:

Hell No,We won't Help do Anything, hey Eric, where'd I hide that Bottle of Gin again?

Hey Joe, you gotta Kleenex?

well said!

I agree with Jersey Bob. For the most part I'm not in favor of Mr. Boehner's fundamental ideas. Yet, he appears sincere in his positions and honestly believes in the directions that he pursues. That is the mark of a potentially reasonable colleague, and all that we can ask for.

President Obama must work with Congress, and particularly Mr. Boehner, in order to accomplish anything of note in the next two years. In the areas of tax reform, spending cuts, and regulation reform, he'll probably have Mr. Boehner as an ally. With some work Mr. Obama might also sign Boehner up for investment in new industries and sane Soc Security reform. Then it's on to the tougher Medicare reform. He'll need to build the relationship before even trying the latter item...

When the President commented on Boehner's "working class" background, you could clearly see that that Johnny was about to start bawling, yet again.

But if you looked closely at Biden, you would have seen him whispering the following to Boehner: "Christ, Mary! Would you just BUTCH it up a little for a change!!"

good point madison, I only hope Boehner can reach across the isle too. Compromise shouldn't be a one way street.

Boehner is a drunk and an embarassment.

Do you suppose Feisty will ever figure out that when she reposts her clever little rants, pointing out that she's reposting because they were collapsed either due to a complete lack of value or her clever little insults, it just makes us want to collapse them again?

Do you suppose Feisty will ever figure out that when she reposts her clever little rants, pointing out that she's reposting because they were collapsed either due to a complete lack of value or her clever little insults,

So much for freedom of speech! lol

Suzy-Q - there's a little button at the bottom right hand corner or your screen.

All you have to do is click on it and then click ignore author!

By all means continue to collapse just because you don't like what was written - it's the quickest way to get you tossed off this board! Happy collapsing sweetheart! ;o)

TEA Party = Tax Evading Americans Party

Oh no, Feisty, You're free to speak your mind. And I'm free to indicate that your comments typically lack any sort of substance or are purely inflammatory. I'd ignore you but then I'd miss the tantrums and where's the fun in that?

As for Boehner being cooperative, he had his 15 minute screen time during the speech. Ultimately, time will tell just how sincere and honorable his words AND actions are.

Jerseybob: I agree with your wishes, but when the Speaker of the House appears either rude and disinterested, drunk or sleep deprived, he has failed to meet the minimum requirements of a mature, polite, involved professional. His actions and lack of respect are most definitely open to comments. THAT is also part of the political process; if a politician has failed or disappointed we have a right and obligation to question and condemn it. Boehner was a bore (a person who talks when you wish they would listen, a dull, uncongenial person, repetitious and uninteresting).

Maybe if he would stay away from the bars and tanning salons he actually help the American people.

Boehner is the epitome of the DCinsider. The man passed out lobbyist checks on the floor of the house before a big vote, for God's sake. When asked about it, he condemned the process. Only a career politician would do that. Also Boehner has fund raisers every other day. The man turned down a ride on Air Force One for the Arizona rally because he had a fund raiser to go to. Tworepublican congressmen missed their swearing in because they were at a fund raiser. I guarantee the "other obligations" Boehner was talking about was a fund raiser. Do you see a pattern? Not saying that democrats don't have many fund raisers, but these guys are out of control. How can they represent the people when they are taking money from every special interest in DC? I won't even get into how much golf the guy plays...

I ignore Feisty and don't miss it one bit. I don't have to scroll past her, Bev's and Retired's posts that way. I don't wear my service on my sleeve.

drive by - looked more like biden was more likely to start crying, didn't you see his bic azz frown while obama was talking? And his sad sack eyes? LOL! Seems that biden smiled once when he looked up at the gallery and once when obama stopped talking. Wait I forgot, he smiled when obama acknowledged him at the beginning of the address as well. WOW, 3 times!!

Fiesty, I, for one, always enjoy your comments, and just hate it when you are collapsed before I get to read them. Let everyone speak their mind, I promise not to try to collapse any. Mr. Speaker just can't hide his disdain for the Pres., even when he's on a national stage. Rethugs. generally speaking, have no class and no ideas, just a huge dislike for anything other than their same old mantra, No, no, no. They need to produce ideas and plans, not eternal criticism. It's seems no movement will be possible for the next two years. What a waste of time and money.

Regardless of what you think about TAN MAN or Biden, POTUS did an outstanding job in this State Of The Union. He hit home run after home run.

Most of the people that posts on "The Vine" are unemployed, receiving food stamps, on welfare, subsidized housing, living with parents, etc, or receiving benefits from some other State or Federal entitlement program.

The majority of you people need to re-invent your skill sets. You must find an area where you can have a career and make a living. Instead you get college degrees in Liberal Arts, or some other non-sensible degree that may get you in the front door as a janitor, mail room clerk making $10 an hour, etc. If you refuse to re-invent yourself, then your fait is sealed.

I do not feel sorry for the unemployed, they knew they were expendable and they just let it happen. Look again at the 55 year old furniture worker from NC that is getting her masters degree in chemical engineering. Thats what re-inventing yourself is all about.

Your jobs are gone, replaced by outsourcing, bad economy or whatever. Theyr'e not coming back. Instead of pointing fingers at politicians, neither party is going to get you a job or help you, or posting your hatred on "The Vine" or some other website, use that energy to find a job or a new career that will allow you to get and keep a decent job. There are plenty of jobs out there and the opportunity exists for you to re-invent yourself.

Its entirely up to you.

Black Belt,

You have to understand where Feisty is coming from to give her a little slack. She is probably borderline alcoholic, judgeing by the many references to drinking at the DEW DROP INN. (Got to be a hillbilly joint). She is probably divorced, as no man worthy of the title would ever put up with a mouth like that. So she ties one on, makes her rants and raves on her laptop, and goes home to her smelly cats. Not much of a life, so cut her some slack.

First of all I own my own company, second what gives you the right to judge others you know nothing about? You should be banned from Newsvine!

Michael and Edward,

I am not unemployed, a drunk or divorced. Been married to the same guy for of a long time. I do not agree that the unemployed are not trying to get a job in most cases. What I don't understand is why you are so willing to jump on the unemployed and never state what actually caused them to be unemployed. Why, you just don't give a sh_t about the underemployed in this country? Why not criticize the the ones who bribed the politicians who then turned around and allowed them to get tax breaks while outsourcing the jobs? And now they are claiming that the country needs to break the unions because we can't afford to pay a living wage anymore in this country. How did the country become so broke? The old fashioned way, the wealthy took too much and are now trying to get the middle class to pay the bill.

Jennifer,

I never said you were unemployed, drunk, or divorced. Maybe it was some other Edward.

As far as my empathy for the unemployed,...I've been there, did that. I've been laid off before, been the recipient of Unemployment compensation. Most important, I worked in heavy manufacturing and construction and have seen it all change.

Seems everyone wants things to go back as it was twenty, thirty, even forty years ago. Well, the truth of the matter, is that the world keeps changing. Our value system. Our expectations, our strategy for the "pursuit of happiness" gets outdated, and we don't see it as we are programmed by the era we grew up in.

Ever see Gallager's comedy routine: "Stuck in the sixties"?? It's true. Thankfully I am now retired. I would hate to face the economic dilemma faced by our young people.

Those decent paying manufacturing jobs that were so plentiful when I was 18 years old are gone. Probably gone for good. Who can compete with someone working for $2.00 a day??

And, for those of you who went on to get a professional degree....think your safe?? Think again folks. Any work that can be done overseas and shipped here via the internet is no longer safe. Accounting, engineering of all types, some aspects of medicine, research, software design, graphic design, fashion design....etc.

So, what is really safe?? How about the work that has to be done...hands on, right here??? Right??? WRONG, Enter the illegals....they are not so dumb that they can't learn a semi-skilled job. They work their butts off. And, they will undercut the Americans by 1/3 to 1/2 of the normal wages...no benefits. (DREAM ACT ANYONE??)

I have seen it all change in about 40 years and I can't say where it's all going to end up. Glad I'm out of it.

Edward, in your case, I was really defending Feisty and really took the comments from you to mean she does not have credibility because of what you claim her to be. I agree with most of her comments on the blog and do not care what her personal life is about.

I just cannot understand why some do not put the blame where it should be put. On those who actually bankrupted the country. It was not the unemployed or the underemployed or the working class. It was and still is the weathy and the greedy. No one else can buy that much power and access to our nations resources to have done the damage that has been done. The country has been sold out by those who stood to gain from wars for oil and deregualtion sending our jobs overseas.

I am also getting ready to retire and I feel terrible about what the future will bring to our youth. The right wants to balance the budget now that they have allowed the special interest to take everything they could from our nations resources. It is criminal what they have done and to blame the unemployed is worse than criminal.

I know that it is going to take a long time before we as a nation will come through this but deflecting blame on the underemployed is just wrong. The American people need to wake up and start demanding better leadership from all of our leaders and stop allowing those who bribe our politicians to get away with more greed and mismanagement. It is easy to blame someone who is defenceless but if we are honest, we will go after the the ones who actually did it and want to do to us even more.

Ok,

Here is a small glimpse into the future.

This debt and this level of spending is unsustainable. This means that if we don't fix this, painful as it may be to do so, our whole economic system will collapse. When that happens, there will be no medicare, medicaid, social security. Our dollar will be worthless. The whole world economy will be heavily affected.

Now we have some choices to clean up our act. When this happens, we will have no choices. Notice that I didn't say "If" this happens, I just kept saying "when"

As for Feisty, I was asking Black belt to back off on criticizing her as this is what amounts to her whole life.

Do I think her comments have substance? Merit?? .......No, never, but she's ok to have around for entertainment purposes.

This debt and this level of spending is unsustainable.

Isn't that only the first third of the Teapublican mantra? You forgot "We need to cut taxes now! We aren't armed ... this time <goofy smirk>"

Ok Stone,

Everyone knows that to lower the deficit, we need to either cut spending or raise taxes or both.

Now if you limit what congress and the president have to spend, they have no real choice but to cut spending. If you increase taxes, and thereby increase revenue, do you honestly believe that congress and/or the President, will dutifully use all the extra revenue to pay down our debt??

More money sent to Washington is like giving more drugs to your local cocaine addict. Doesn't matter who is currently in power.

Ever contrast the care you and I use when preparing our tax returns, with the total abandon that congress and the President, throw away all that money with both hands??

Edward

I am just wondering where your rightous indigation was while the wealthy and the greedy were spending, while getting tax cuts, fighting unfunded wars, mainly for the oil interests and getting rid of regulations that would have stopped allot of what went on. Just wondering why now, that we have given the tax breaks to the wealthy, you find that the middle class needs to fix the problem.

I know that we have to cut everything thanks, to the stupid who call themselve fiscally responsible but why not let's start by taking back the damn tax cut given to the rich who are not making any freaking effort to give up anything only get more?

A bigger concern is that politicians of all stripes rake money in from lobbyist to pass laws and measures to give the lobbyist's employers what they want. Those laws and measures are what they "throw away all that money with both hands" on.

Does anyone with an IQ over 50 believe that the crooks ingrained in the Fed and various administrations had nothing to do with the giant handouts bailouts to the same Wall Street companies they used to work for?

On the same measure why does no one (inside Washington anyway) wonder why healthcare, while so obviously broken, is such a fractious issue? Could it be all the money they shovel at politicians? Naw, no way!

You got it right. I do wonder though if the repubs will ever see that it was the greedy and not the needy who caused the problem.

I know that we have to go on the austerity program now, even though allot of the companies that we taxpayers bailed out are making big profits again. It grips me to put the responsibility and the debt on the backs of the middle class. The creeps have not changed their tune either, still taking no responsibility for what has happened and talking about deregulation and giving more tax breaks to the wealthy.

I hope the American public actually pays attention to who backs who in the next election and use some common sense instead of listening to race baiting, calling people socialists, communists and scare tatics as happened in the last election. I guess we will see.

I hope the American public actually pay attention to who backs who in the next election and use some common sense ...

So do I, and have for a long time, but they never do. It seems the average American voter barely has teh attention span to make it through a 2 hour movie much less an 8+ month election cycle. Also, why not something like Britain has, a 6 week limitation on campaigning? Something like that would obviously have to be coupled with other limits on spending.

I for one am getting sick of the slick ads that tell me nothing other than s/he likes his family and is a patriot and other useless info. Does anyone think that if they don't say all that crap the people will suspect that they hate their family and are a traitor?

I don't know, I was talking to a women I have known for years and she started to say that Obama was going to make her put energy saving light bulbs in her home and tell her what to feed her kids. I just stood there and thought, I know she listens to Fox News but she has lost her mind. I don't know, maybe there is something in the fast food we are eating that makes some turn totally stupid. Too much fat has gone to the brain or something.

You would think that the public would be concerned about the special interests that actually take our tax money and remove the ability to do what is best and most economical for the public good. The Supreme Court having activist judges who give advantage to one party or the other. Who the hell is going to protect the jobs and wages if these monkeys get more power then they have now? But no, the brainless yell that the unemployed are sucking the rest of us dry. Their 401k's dumped and their jobs went overseas and they blamed the unemployed and the illegals and the poor. This nation has too many brainless, stupid people who think Sarah Palin is someone they could vote for.

I agree. Let's start with Mich "ass hole" McConnell.

I second that nomination for old Mitchy. man, the guy constantly looks and acts like he's constipated.

Amazing what a little fiber would do for the turtle...lmao

sputnik

obama can see russia from the white house stairs now,,the republicans took the working taxpayers check book away so obamas vision is clearing

It's not that they're just out of sync with America; THEY are the problem. The corruption in congress is so profound that they will never, as things stand right now, be capable or willing to correct the problems of government. They have boarded the gravy train and have no intention of disembarking. We will have to pry them out with crowbars!

hey no joe,

"It was okay."

When you think about it, that was perfect. It was polite, accurate and made more sense than Obama made in 62 minutes.

Most importantly - it was believable!

Speaking of Sputnik.

How many realize that the cost of starting from a clean sheet of paper, nothing, we made it to the moon for $25 Billion ($113 Billion adjusted to today).

Obama spent 10 TIMES that amount and did not create one new net job!

And the Feistys, oldguys, b dunces, etc. not only still listen to this guy, they lap it up.

Amazing.

I would love to see any of the regular liberal posters here try to come up with ONE, just ONE bad policy or bill that they think Obama championed. One mistake they think the guy is guilty of.

I can name several bills he supported and passed I thought were good. I'll bet they can't come up with even one they disagreed with that they give Obama responsibility for. They are sooo incredibly enamoured by this guy it's stunning.

And please don't use something like "The HCR didn't go FAR enough."

That's not DISAGREEING with the man. That's wanting to EXPAND on what he supports.

Here, any Obama supporter that wants to give it a shot, I'll get you started. Just fill in the blank:

"I think the ______— bill that Obama supported and signed into law was a mistake and should be repealed."

Any takers?

Not everyone believes in American exceptionalism, no joe. Nobody holds it against you.

I'm not really a liberal, more of a moderate, but I've certainly been disappointed by the President's refusal to repeal the Patriot Act. I wish he would close Gitmo, but I understand that it's Congress who refuses to provide the necessary funding to relocate the prisoners.

I also am disappointed he didn't take the opportunity to talk about banning automatic weapons and extended clips, which most Americans support.

But I'm old enough to know that I don't get to have a President who does 100% of the things I agree with. Overall, he's been effective, in a moderately progressive manner.

Health care.

NO public option, Slim.

drive-by-observer

Health care.

NO public option, Slim.

Dude, I just said in my post that was not "disagreeing" with him. That's wanting to expand on something he supported. In fact Obama WANTED the public option but couldn't sell it to enough Democrats (and the public) to get the votes needed to included it. You're merely agreeing with what he wanted and tried to pass anyway but couldn't.

So, sorry.

Try again.

Clotho

Not everyone believes in American exceptionalism, no joe. Nobody holds it against you.

I'm not really a liberal, more of a moderate, but I've certainly been disappointed by the President's refusal to repeal the Patriot Act. I wish he would close Gitmo, but I understand that it's Congress who refuses to provide the necessary funding to relocate the prisoners.

I also am disappointed he didn't take the opportunity to talk about banning automatic weapons and extended clips, which most Americans support.

But I'm old enough to know that I don't get to have a President who does 100% of the things I agree with. Overall, he's been effective, in a moderately progressive manner

Clotho. I don't know if any of what you said was a response to my post. Anyway, if it was:

That's commendable, the things you listed, But for everything you listed there's a "but" and you give the guy an out. Is there anything you can say "he was wrong on this, no excuses and I disagreed with it."?

Wow, the President's speech really has the conservatives riles up and combative!

fielden

Wow, the President's speech really has the conservatives riles up and combative!

Who me? How am I being combative? I'm not the least bit upset and haven't called anyone any kind of name. And wouldn't.

I think it's a legitimate question. As a Republican I can name several things Obama has done I agree with and several things Bush did I disagree with.

Can any Dems here say they agreed with Bush or disagreed with Obama on anything?

Slim

Obama is against legalization and taxation of marijuana. I am for it. Didn't stand up to the republicans tax break for the rich or a public option in HCR.

Slim,

President Obama does not support gay marriage, I am for it!

Also, I want out of Afghanistan like YESTERDAY!

Agree with keepertrout on his choices as well!

You're turn...

The extention of the tax cuts is one really bad policy he left in place. He should have let them expire on all of us.

obamas drivel and same broken promises have no effect on me ,i rest happy knowing boehner has the taxpayers checkbook ,so obama rant on about some pipe dreams and sputnick,,it will not cost me a dime .

This conservative is not riled at all. I didn't waste my time watching it and I can tell from reading the posts that I didn't miss anything. Law & Order SUV reruns were better. Even ESPN wasn't very good last night.

So much so he looked like he was about to cry.

LOL. What I saw in Boner's eyes was "If they'd just that camera off me I could sneak under the table for a shot".

I was waiting for good old Joe to hand him a handkerchief. What an ASS HOLE. Did you pick up on McConnell ? Looks like he has had to many biscuit's and gravey. He needs to be put out to pasture.

John-he actually had the ribbon on the opposite side and Biden had to correct him...so he must have switched sides really fast.

Hey "johnluci" I too noticed that Boehner's ribbon was on cockeyed, and limp, while everyone was perfectly vertical and straight. (Boehner must have have put it on himself......... after he finished his 4 gin and tonics.)

Yes. His face was a little flushed as was McConnells. Must have tipped a couple, no, more like a bottle.

At least we did not have to watch mis leap frog jumping up and down. She was the biggest joke.

Give the republicans a chance I say. Some of us may like having our jobs back. Some will still like having gov keep them up. If you didn't vote than I suggest that you are entitled to no opinion .

hey "sick," the Republicans have been in charge of the House now for weeks. Tell us what they've done to create jobs so far??

All I've seen them doing is WASTING time reading aloud and voting on a repeal that wa doomed to failure before they even started......

Give the Republicans a chance !!! Are they giving the President a chance ??? McConnell said, and I quote, "All I want is to get him out of office". Now my illiterate friend, is that giving Obama a chance ???

Republicans were blaming Obama for the economy even BEFORE he was inaugurated. The answer is "no," they didn't give him a chance. What they DID do, and have CONTINUED to do is play politics instead of doing anything that HELPS average Americans and not just wealthy Americans.

They have a small window of opportunity to show that they can at LEAST be The Party of "Maybe" instead of the Party of NO!!

obama has clearly demostrated his lack of leadership ,,over 9 % unemployment and 14.3 trillion in debt yet he rambles on about sputnick ,,he has all but assured 3 rd world status for america.

Hey "witzzzz" the unemployment rate was 12.9% when Bush left office, Obama DECREASED it to just over 9%. Bush APPROVED TARP that INCREASED the national debt to the current level before he left office.

Do the facts matter to you?????? Clearly NOT..........

Tom in NH: Ya know what's going to be funny??? If Boehner and the House try to withhold funding for the healthcare law, they will not be listening to the people and flying in the face of public opinion. A full 62% of Americans do NOT want funding withheld from this law!!

You know what will be really, really funny? When we get to a $2 trillion/year deficit with all of Obama's borrow and spending to fund all of his entitlements. That will be a real knee-slapper!

Trains and windmills. That's Obama's Path to the Future. Well, that, and defunding NASA.

You know whats not funny? Most of the deficit comes from your beloved tax cuts, one that just passed and the one for the wealthiest 1%.

Simpleton.

Hey, how'd that kindergarten idea of pairing up a Democrat with a Republican work out? I know, I know, they ran out of Democrats, not many left, but that just meant that many Democrats had two Republicans to hold hands with. Maybe the Dems with multiple GOPers could have had some sense talked into them.

Awesome - looks like we found us a true economic wizard. Cause everybody know deficits come from tax cuts. Really?

Ok gofinsgo, I'll play. Explain please. Please focus your analysis on the distinction between income and expenses.

JoAnnaSmith,

What was pretty cool was the absense of the liberal Jack-N- The-Boxes popping up at the mention of every progressive buzz word.

I guess being out numbered so badly and not having the protection of the herd would have looked silly even to them.

Maybe "kindergarten" ideas do make liberals act more like adults?

Spanky: Ok gofinsgo, I'll play. Explain please.

And be sure to use the "PayGo" legislation as part of your explanation.

Deficits can come from tax cuts just as easily as they can come from increased spending. Revenue minus expense = surplus (deficit). Cutting taxes decreases revenue...if spending isn't decreased by an equal measure that means the deficit increases. There are two parts to the equation and they both must be addressed to balance the budget.

It matters not how much you make, only what you spend. Just ask anybody who has filed BK. Or maybe this - If I make $100,000 but spend $120,000 I got me a deficit, even though I'm pulling "good" money.

If Tim makes $20,000 but spends only $15,000 he has a surplus.

So Tim can you have a deficit if you spend less than you have? No, of course not. It just ain't about the revenue, it's about the spending. For some reasons the monkeys in congress (all of them) think they can spend more than they get.

Joanna.. Did you know that over 80% of the national debt, as of the end of bush's last budget, was run up under JUST the last 3 GOP presidents? That's $11T!! If they hadnt done that, we wouldnt HAVE a budget crisis! Of course, the evidence shows that all that debt was DELIBERATE--- as a way to force privatization of SS, Medicare and all other social programs. Bankers and Wall St are drooling over that prospect. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10054/1037783-109.stm

IN addition, when Bush's last budget had a $1.3T deficit BEFORE Obama was sworn in, there were things in that budget that were mandated for the next few years and can NOT be cut becuz of that It's what is known as a "structural deficit"

That is why the GOP filibustered any changes in Bush's last 2 budgets!

So, let's not post falsehoods when too many people know better. We're in a budget/financial crisis because the GOP strategy was to put us there! The GOP recession only made things much worse! And the ONLY president to make a sustained effort at eliminating deficit spedning was CLINTON----- in the face on CONSTANT opposition by Republicans! Read the links carefully, they tell a horrid story! It's amazing that an American political party like the GOP would play Russian roullette with the country's finances AND future, in order to enrich the big corporations and the monied elite! If you dont make $250K/yr, Republcans are NOT your friend! Wake up and smell the coffee. The information is all out there! If I can find it, so can you! start with "starve the beast"!

Spanky,

It does matter how much you make. In both of your examples, how much you make is half your equation. Can you have a deficit if you make more than you spend? No, of course not. Because it is about both revenue and expenses. I agree with you, congress keeps spending more than they take in and that is a problem. My take is that spending cuts alone won't balance the budget (without seriously damaging our current economic recovery). It will take a combination of spending cuts and tax increases.

Spanky-

It matters not how much you make, only what you spend. Just ask anybody who has filed BK. Or maybe this - If I make $100,000 but spend $120,000 I got me a deficit, even though I'm pulling "good" money.

If Tim makes $20,000 but spends only $15,000 he has a surplus.

So Tim can you have a deficit if you spend less than you have? No, of course not. It just ain't about the revenue, it's about the spending. For some reasons the monkeys in congress (all of them) think they can spend more than they get.

If for the previous decade or more, someone else was using Tim's checking account and spending way more than was in there, but only keeping track of it on the back of a napkin until Tim took over again, then Tim balances his checkbook HONESTLY listing the unrecorded debt, and now has to make payments on that debt in addition to all the other obligations, and oh-by-th-way, fix the driveway (roads), and the baby was sick (healthcare), and Junior's tuition was due (you guessed it, education), and the house fell into the river (housing crisis), and the bank ran off with his 401k... now there is a deficit. And lo and behold, a loan can give you to opportunity to work through it, given enough time, but it usually takes longer to get out than in, and we have only just begun to bail.

For all the complaining I hear from conservatives, I have never once heard any of them support a surcharge in support of defense spending in time of war, to keep that from impacting the deficit. Conservatives nearly had palpitations when it was suggested that the banks be charged to pay for the full cost of the financial sector bail out, but they sure want to beat Obama over the head with the loss. Similarly, the suggestion of a mandate to obtain health insurance is attacked as a tax, instead of being embraced as a personal respoinsibility.

I am happy to see the temperature of the debate come down a notch or two. Some legitimate compromise would be nice.

JoAnnaSmith1: On this:Trains and windmills. That's Obama's Path to the Future. Well, that, and defunding NASA."

Just pointing out that Reid had the Chinese build the turbines in his states wind farm project. Yea, our promised GREEN JOBS. I'm a Democrat , but this move, was just a slap in the face. Especially, in a state with double digit unemployment .

Obama's had WAY TOO MANY Republican moments starting with TARP.

I also point out privatizing NASA was a Republican Idea Obama embraced. That's why I hope the Dem party doesn't even give him the nomination.

Scar, put that pipe DOWN and get a grasp.

tdl: Boner looked like he needed a smoke pretty bad, was getting all twitchy and stuff.

Should have tapped Obama on the shoulder and bummed one from him.

Serious question. Does Obama's cigs have the Presidential Seal on the package?

Come on JoAnnna, it seems like all these folk have is some variation of he's a drunk, he's orange, or this, the one I like the best given Obama's proclivities, he's a smoker.

I really do expect better, but this does appear to be Libbie light around here. Over at Firedoglake, where the hardcore libbies go, thay are not focused on anything but how bad Obama was. Go figure.

Serious question. Does Obama's cigs have the Presidential Seal on the package?

That's a classic.

We have officially reached the point where the name calling has gone so far, I have no idea who this person is talking about. Try using grownup names next time.

(I THINK we're talking about Northern Ireland?)

Ahman to that. Boehner should have kept sweeping floors. He probably had a tanning booth, a bottle of gin hid there and a handkerchief. Think this ass hole has a real drinking problem ? Hell, Bush liked his booze also. Two nut's in the same shell. I really thought he was sliding off the chair near the end....

Insert President in place of Speaker and you would be correct.

lol

How right you are...

No he just has a BOTTLE PROBLEM.

Actually,when I saw him behind the president,I swear I could almost read his thoughts.Okay here we go:"Geeze Potus,hurry it up will ya! Whats with all the words? I got a bottle of scotch somewhere in the back waitin for me"

He and McConnell couldn't wait to get to the back room and hit the juice.

-Slams fist on desk- Dammit Mark R-638735, you are definately on to something!!! HEY!!! Hold on there, Homeland Security, I think we have found a good use for that thar color-coded threat system. Please put it in WOH Boehner's office.

Giles,

Why should the Teapublicans change a thing? They have the White House and Congress. Seems to me they are doing just fine. Forget about a third party. I'd be happy with ANY alternative party right now.

Rgiles,thank you!

That is the real story behind it all.Sad and so very true.Thank you again for taking the time to put this in print.I no longer have the patience to invest so much keyboard and mental time to this powerful truth of the political state we are in.I find myself reduced to taking one or two line pot shots at the hypocritical,toxic insanity.Which by the way,I enjoy very much.........