This statement will get all kinda play from the MSM, but Rep. Gomerts comments about Congressman carrying Guns on the Floor got None! Go Figure!

Wait, i get it now, Republicans are in Charge of the House Now, so it's thier turn to be Nazi's, Socialist, Marxist, Commmies.

Yep, thats the Ticket!

Speaking of Louie Gohmerts, in front of cameras Mr. Gohmerts was holding a copy and railing against health care legislation when he accidentally uttered these words--HCR "was written by smart people". The truth inadvertently escaped from Gohmert's lips.

How did this nutball Cohen get elected?

Easy, Cohen completely and accurately reflects a majority of his constituents.

Why are these posters so stupid that they keep asking how xyz gets elected? Americans are nutballs, you have two varieties left and right. The rest, moderate civilized thinking people, are an infinitely small 3rd world minority with no voice in government or press. The rest of you are either going to church or going for a handout.

Good call! Well said!

It's the leftists, like Cohen, who refuse to tone it down, even after Tucson. This is a fact.

Look at Feisty. Has she even attempted to change her name? Per Merriam, synonyms for "feisty": belligerent, bellicose, militant, warlike, argumentative, confrontational. Need I say more?

Your wrong. Moderates make up the majority of Americans, - we're just boring so we get to media time. Haven't you people figured it out yet? If it does not sensationalize something, anything, the media doesn't print it.

"Why are these posters so stupid that they keep asking how xyz gets elected? Americans are nutballs, you have two varieties left and right. The rest, moderate civilized thinking people, are an infinitely small 3rd world minority with no voice in government or press. The rest of you are either going to church or going for a handout"

Couldn't have said it better myself Rrobeson. Very well stated.

Now Now, We must share in the name calling, hahaha

Republicans own the names Communist, Nazi, Marxist, ("Conservative" is pushing even my limits, lol)

All Communist countries actually ARE Republics ran by very similar policies advocated by the Republican party within the USA, Nazi's did actually emerge from the Weimer Republic and a lot of their corporate "machine" thinking was adopted into the GOP during and after WWII, Karl Marx WAS actually a Republican

But Democrats definately earn the names Liberal and Socialist and do push for more Government control and have a spend spend spend mentality when it comes to their entitlement programs, minimum wages, benefits for employees, Healthcare, etc

The far right and the far left take both of these to extremes, But the best for the USA is a moderation of BOTH parties positions, Corporations MUST make a profit, But Their workers must also make a decent living which also includes the benefits they deserve, This is how we get company loyalty and pride in American workmanship that increases a companies business, profits, and worth.

Work together,,,,,,,,,,Make America what it was born to be, THE BEST

Patricia Paulson

"Fiesty Red Head, are you sure you're not a blonde? Can you get any dumber?" "And, it is our RIGHT to own guns, as many and of any type as we so choose."

UH....... Actually it appears that it is YOU who are dumb. You CANNOT own "as many and any type as" you so choose. Try purchasing an anti-tank rifle and see how far you get. Or how about trying to buy something like say,... A 105 mm gun? Try stockpiling a few dozen assault guns and see who knocks on your door Patricia.... I think your name: "Patricia Paulson" is a deviation of the name "Pat Paulson"...... He was ANOTHER comedian.

And to get back on topic, let me state, Steve Cohen is not very far off base, when he says it is akin to Nazi propaganda. Many of the past Republican base took lessons from Hitlers political machine. I could name at least 4 important Republican leaders that were in one way or another connected to the Nazi apparatus from WWII. But to save time I'll name just one. G. Gordon Liddy. He is a radio spokes person for the Republican Party today. He was sent to Federal Prison for being one of the chief members of Richard Nixons attempt to create a one party system in America. (Watergate.) So..... Congressman Cohen..... Hat's off to you for having the balls to say what we all know sir!

I dont think he was necessarily calling the GOP nazis, but rather their tactics were much like nazi propaganda campaigns. However, it should be mentioned that more than one conservative members of congress have referred to Dems as terrorists. ROughly the same effect as calling someone a nazi.

Patricia Paulson

"You're damn right we believe Obama is trying to destroy our country, he is doing everything he can to turn our "capitalist" system into a communist one."

LOL......Only people WITHOUT a working brain, Patricia, could POSSIBLY believe Obama is anti-capitalism. To get back to "center left," he'd practically have to take a hard right (I imagine that will be difficult for you to visualize, but it means his policies are far more right than left). His base is seething over his blatant Republicanism. You people are so full of backwards hate you're just gone gobsmackingly stupid blind.

The Left and Right both hurl all kinds of insults at each other. And I'm obviously not a fan of the Right. I think there's two notable differences about the current state of vitriol between the Left and the Right.... The Right started demonizing the Left in its current manifestation about 20 years ago or so with angry talk radio. And the Right practically owns talk radio and has for years- for every one liberal station there's about nine or so conservative ones. And this echo chamber proved to be very powerful and my personal opinion is, the Left got sick of being demonized by the Right and got just as angry as them eventually.

Except in the most recent years, you don't see Republicans politicians getting shot, Democratic supporters don't bring guns to Republican politicians' constituent gatherings, Republican politicians don't get hanged in effigy, having their home addresses broadcast at large where then nut jobs go and sabotage their homes by cutting gas lines, you don't see Republican supporters getting their heads stomped on, etc. There's no comparison as of late.

And conservatives- don't try bringing up the case of the stray bullet that hit the Eric Cantor's office- the police themselves concluded it was indeed a stray bullet.

There's vitriol on both sides of the aisle, both it's not equal. The Right needs to own up to its institutionalized hate. And it's become a multi-million dollar industry so institutionalized Rightwing Hate isn't going away. If it could, I think most people on the Left would chill out after a while if the Right could ever stop demonizing everyone and everything.

Beautifully put Bo. I have long advocated a blending of libertarianism (personal freedom) and socialism (collective best interest). The government should be strong enough to protect citizens from those with the power to use and abuse the citizenry without regard (corporations, the rich, etc.), but weak enough as to not infringe on personal freedoms. This is a balance that takes careful consideration, not broad-sweeping extremes (which both parties offer now). Unfortunately, most people, and therefore most politician, can only see their own viewpoint, and resist, violently at times, anything that questions their views. So both the Reps and Dems need to stop thinking that their way is best, and start trying to create a balance by working together. And if you have to decide whether to favor the American citizens, or the corporations, then favor the citizenry.

To the other redhead: You may be feisty, but I was born a natural redhead LOL... I am accused of being a Liberal, and, in fact, voted for Obama. That said, I won't be voting for him again and thank goodness for America and what she stands for, which is government by the people. I voted for the best representative in our last election, not the party.

When I read the content of Democrat politician Steve Cohan's speech I wanted to ... that's best left unsaid lol. Name-calling is the ad hominem fallacy in formal debate and INSTANTLY loses any user of vicious labels the entire position he represents.

btw... why do vulgar and meaningless insults lose respect? Because they substitute for evidence and cogent logic Any user is as good as saying, "I am ignorant of facts that support my feelings on the question, and incompetent to speak on any cogent aspects of the issue."

Don't vilify your opponent; it merely reflects on yourself.

You can bet your collective sweet patooties that I am not the only one disgusted by such a performance. And more, that entire attempt to repeal the sloppy and discriminatory Health Care plan now has my vote. I truly hope others will follow suit.

What is even funnier is that they still refuse to believe that both parties need to tone down this nonsense! So what if the guy who shot all of those people was not politically motivated. All this means is we dodged a bullet! This is no joke we have to stop the stupidity!!!

Hate? Its always hate with you people. republicans are just filled with hate! Democrats are filled with love and charity (as long as they are giving away other peoples money). It isnt "hate" to be responsible and spend less than we take in. The government does not have a right to more of our dollars whether we are rich or poor. they need to cut spending now. If you want to be charitable, then do it with your own money!

You should had seen him crying boo hoo. The scariest thing about him is the fact that he try to get sympathy by claiming his mother committed suicide. The police report on her death stated that it was a boating accident however he gets more sympathy by claiming she committed suicide. Sick.

If you pull out the Nazi analogy, you are wrongheaded and ought to apologize. Stop it.

It would only take a few minutes to research the political climate of Germany while Hitler was rising to power. It would have been nice if the congressman had taken just a little time to do so before he started name calling. But I think we all know that the truth is not something we associate with politicians. Pre World War 2 Germany has been researched to death and the policies that created the Nazi party is also well documented. I challenge anyone with an open mind to go read about it and come up with the same conclusions of Cohan which are false in all respects.

Thank god, now the Democrats have their own Sara Palin

Hey Feisty Redhead, haven't seen any comment's from you lately. You are great at the one's you do make.

You are obviously misinformed if you call Beck a hate monger. I have been watching him every day for a year and he is the opposite of that. You don't watch him or you would know that. You need to turn off the liberal shows you watch that are distorting your views.

Like blood libel. That's the same kind of thing, blood libel. That's the same kind of thing.”

Does this have echolalia?

Hey Feisty Redhead, haven't seen any comment's from you lately.

Hiya Bob! I'm hear daily... doing my little part at keeping the BS to a minimum! Thanks for the compliment! ;o)

Speaking of BS:

You are obviously misinformed if you call Beck a hate monger.

Really Steve? Care to try some of these on for size?

''I haven't seen a half-monkey, half-person yet.''

—Glenn Beck, calling evolution ''ridiculous'', The Glenn Beck Program, Oct. 20, 2010

''So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research. ... Eugenics. In case you don't know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. ... The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening.''

—Glenn Beck on his radio show, March 9, 2009

''I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong?''

—Glenn Beck, responding to the question 'What would people do for $50 million?', 'The Glenn Beck Program,' May 17, 2005

Beck: This president has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture, I don't know what it is.

Hmmm. That must have made things real uncomfortable around his white mother, or the white grandparents who raised him.

Beck ran a similar line on his show yesterday, too, characterizing Obama as "this is a guy who has real problems with race."

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/cspanjunkie/barack-obama-has-deep-seated-hatred-wh

You want some more Steve? Plenty where those came from!

What's is the use. People do not have common sense any more.

Whether you like it or not, it's the liberals who started this crap by immediately pointing their collective fingers at conservatives in the wake of the shooting in Arizona - without a shred of evidence to support their accusations. None.

And it's liberals who were therefore guilty of group hypocrisy with all their red-faced screaming about the hate-filled rhetoric allegedly spewing from the right, all the while absolutely REFUSING to accept any such culpability.

It was a truly disgusting show and one I'm not likely to forget for a long time - and only served to reinforce my disdain for liberals in general.

That statement was excessive, untrue and unnecessary, and he should apologise.

The republicans are lying, but not nearly as well as Goebbels, they just have an audience that wants to believe the worst of liberals and Obama, and any republican that doesn't tell the lie they want to hear gets kicked out of the party.

And Glenn Beck is a hate monger. However, he's saying he wants to change his ways, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

ForWhatItsWorth,

UH....... Actually it appears that it is YOU who are dumb. You CANNOT own "as many and any type as" you so choose. Try purchasing an anti-tank rifle and see how far you get. Or how about trying to buy something like say,... A 105 mm gun? Try stockpiling a few dozen assault guns and see who knocks on your door Patricia

There is no such thing as an anti-tank rifle. (Idea died in 1930s)

A 105 mm gun? You don't see a lot of 5,000 lb. towed field artillery pieces on the racks in gun stores.

Stockpiling a few dozen assault weapons? Why not, if they are not restricted and you can buy one, or twentyfour. There is no limit on how many you can buy anymore than there is a limit to how much ice cream you buy, or how many cars Leno owns. If they are restricted (full auto) get a tag for every trigger group. Need a suppressor/silencer - same thing. Hate to tell you but, they are everywhere.

So, who is dumb?

skor154,

Most of civilized Europe have health care and laugh at Americans for being so brainwashed with cliches, like socialism, commies, ......... god-given label, and their civilized societies deem health care a national inherent right and a national pride. Interesting, Americans are always behind the progression of other civilized societies.

Funny how British Prime Minister David Cameron has been talking nationalized health care is a disaster and has promised to get rid of "top down, command and control bureaucracy and targets", etc. Riots in France, Greece is bankrupt, .....

Yea, let's follow them.

The Bleeding heart liberals will destroy this once great nation and the leader is Obama himself. They all have that mentality that they are entitled to EVERYTHING!!! If we could just have enough guts to stop all the Fraud and abuse of the Welfare system, Food Stamp program, Medicare, etc....all these government run programs we probably would not have a deficit. STOP THE HANDOUTS!!!!!! Work for a Living and Earn what you get....Tired of paying taxes to those who sit on their butts and are in our country illegally.....

Sandy, you're accusing the right of doing what you did.

The Right was vilifying everyone and anyone IMMEDIATELY after the shootings hit the news. They were even saying the Republican Judge that died deserved it for being with a Democrat. Limbaugh and Beck went on rampages on their radio shows that made anything said by anyone on the left look like it was talk from Angels. Then there were the right wing nut job bloggers that were bringing up all kinds of conspiracy theories and blaming them on any organization or person with liberal leanings. All without any facts. The hate from the right drowned out anything that came from the left.

But this is what you said right after the shootings;

Well, she has been KILLED and I will guarantee the shooter was someone listening to conservative terror insiters like Palin, Limbaugh and Beck.

Well, the shooter turned out to not be a typical right wing religious nut. That is unless right wing religious nuts worship and burn skulls in their back yard. Turns out he was into the occult. Again, not your typical republican. What is clear here is that you and others are accusing anyone with an opposing opinion of doing what you did, which was to immediately jump to conclusions all for political reasons. You are fooling no one.

How is it the Federal Government can tell everyone YOU MUST HAVE HEALTH CARE INSURANCE BY 2014 and then claim it is not a GOVERNMENT CONTROL MANDATE???? They don't care if you can "REALLY" afford health care coverage or not, if they look at your gross (not net) income and decide you can afford it, not only must you buy it, but you very likely will not qualify for any sort of subsidence from the Federal government. They will not give a damn if your net income is say (for example only) $50K a year and you have legal obligations that add up to $49,500 and heath insurance cost $3 to $8K. That will be your problem not theirs unless you fail to get the mandated health care then they will be glad to assist you in affording it by fining you several thousand dollars a year to further burden you.

The left wants to talk about Natzi Propaganda allegedly coming from the Right, perhaps they should stop and listen to themselves and take the time to read the bills they rammed down our throats for once. It looks like they have be caught with their hands in the collective cookie jar and are trying to divert attention away from themselves in hopes they can continue to pull the wool over the eyes of the unsuspecting Obamasheep. Time will tell if their diversionary tactics will work or not. QED in November 2012.

You are one sick puppy. Take your meds and settle down. Everybody knows you are just trying to stir the pot of anger and hate.

So the thing on Michael Moore is the only one that sounds bad but that was almost 6 years ago and I think Moore is a scumbag too.

Again, like I said, you don't watch Beck as I have for the last year. He's no hate monger. Has he said a few things in the past that he regrets? Of course. But he's not constantly spewing distortions, lies and hate like Oberman, Shultz, Stewart and Maher. That is the definition of their job description. But we will might disagree if you believe the ends justify the means.

ROFL... to the self-identified "Feist" with dyed red hair ... and here I was going to add another, more complimentary meaning (from the Oxford Unabridged) to Waterdog's Merriam-Webster definition of the word you chose to describe yourself. Seeing your subsequent posts, I fear he has the distinction right.

I don't give two hoops in Hades whether you "care" for my opinions or not... I was dealing with you as an example of a one-track mind. Certainly I have no interest in trying to persuade you, especially when you lapsed into precisely the same kind of thought processes as the politician you disagreed with.

Sorry, old thing. I see that your opinion is not worth the candle. Your Attitude obviates serious consideration. LOL

You say tone it down and then call someone a "hate monger". You are STUPID!

to the self-identified "Feist" with dyed red hair

I'm more than a little disappointed that hot tea hasn't soothed your inflamed 'sweet patooties'!

But I digress...

If you truly are a natural redhead that you claim to be, you would know from experience WE don't advertise it!

That hon... is where you made your mistake! ;o)

Oh, and I would change your profile pic - it's NOT helping your case! lmao!

Glenn Beck isn't a hater, he's an inferno of fearful delusional paranoia which is really too bad because he has a great, but so far untapped, potential to be a mainstream voice of conservative common sense in our country if he could just drop the delusional fear and paranoia within his rhetoric.

Concerning the main topic; It's not a smart comparison to make between the GOP and the Nazi agenda, and I agree that it tends to boomerang back to the accuser. The GOP needs to get a lot more precise about exactly what in the Health Care Law they don't like. Using nothing but vague ambiguities as your reason to be against it is not a proper argument. Get the printed law out and point to something in particular. Read those parts aloud. Explain in detail what exactly it is that you object to in the law. So far I haven't heard one Republican make a logical argument concerning any of it. They seem to be against it simply because they didn't author it, which is a very stupid fallacy to be making, especially when large parts of it are nearly identical to the GOP proposal back in the 1990s.

Being against it without explaining exactly why you are against it is not a proper political argument, and the rest of us should simply ignore you because you're acting like a child.

Wow. Feisty...on one hand I see you talk about toning down the rhetoric but then in the same comment, turn around and talk about Glenn Beck as a hate monger. Isn't that the pure definition of what you dislike?

His interview wasn't about a "woe is me", but instead a discussion of his new book which describes how HE broke his addiction to alcohol and changed his own life. The psychologist that co-wrote the book with him offered up info about how Glenn was a textbook case on how to change your own life with the things psychologists are taught in school.

They then moved on to talk about how Washington and D's and R's aren't going to fix our problems, but we ourselves have to fix our own problems starting with ourselves. I didn't see any hate spewing in the interview but then again, maybe I saw a different interview.

Ive been at odds with Feisty and Bev for over a year. If you want to start a diatribe which will include covering your testicles, go right on. I prefer to let them say what the want......Bev tends to get collapsed 50% of the time anyways. I have know Idea why a redhead would be identified with a liberal, arent they id'ed with Irish more than anything?

Rrobeson: "Why are these posters so stupid that they keep asking how xyz gets elected? Americans are nutballs, you have two varieties left and right. The rest, moderate civilized thinking people, are an infinitely small 3rd world minority with no voice in government or press. The rest of you are either going to church or going for a handout."

...I agree, you couldn't be more correct and right on the money, nutballs on both sides of the aisle, and getting nutier and further away from the middle with each passing day. I consider myself to be a moderate and a centrist, but I find myself in the Twilight Zone with no party to support the Middle Class anymore. How does that song go?: "Stuck in the middle with you".

Classic, Let's all be nice. What a bunch of crap! Blood Libel was soooooo bad. Nazi's???????????????

u r a idiot

Sometimes I wonder if Feisty is the young lady that tossed rancid pigs blood on my flight mate back from SEA. The rhetoric is feeling the very same. Baby killers.......Rapists, just the fact that we were told we couldn't wear our uniforms back home was horrible, well for me I enlisted. I mean who had civvies anyways. There are only a few words that actually make me upset and Nazis is one of them.

Sean: "Do try speaking for yourself for once. I neither attend any church and I have no qualification for a "handout." I'm just not a whining, complaining citizen who doesn't understand how a society operates ("if everyone's doing well, everyone's doing well"). Again, just speaking for myself, mind you."

....Ummm, Sean, go back and read rrobeson's post again, you seem to be describing yourself as one of the "middle" people, which he quite specifically distinguished from the church/handout crowd, so why the complaint?

Were you born an idiot, or did it build up over the years?

fiesty

I notice you didn't really say anything about this stupidass blowhard and his hate rhetoric...pretty typical though for a resident of one the most defunct , corrupt and downright trashy states run by the liberal socialist machine...ya, that about sums it up...enjoy life as a lemming on a kool-aid diet

Why is this a story?

Doesn't msnbc have anything better to write about? Must be a slow news day.

Steve Cohen is right.

He didn't say that the GOP are the same as the Nazis.

He said that the GOP likes to use some of the same propaganda tactics the Nazis used.

It may not be politically correct or nice to say so, but it's the truth.

Feisty,

Sorry but I gotta agree with Steve on this one. The Moore comment was the only one you could consider hateful...stating that someone else hates others would not qualify as hate speech.

Tone it down? And pass up the best example in history to describe what the repugnants are trying to do?

Have been doing to this country since the 80's when dingbat ronnie raygun- with his last synapse firing-

claimed that poor people are poor because they want to be- that trees pollute more than cars- that for school lunches, ketchup was a vegetable- republicans have been getting away with murder since the 80's- time to rein those losers in- starting with their drunken leader- he passes on state dinners and mourning speeches because they're places where his excessive drinking would be noticed by everyone.

Well, the civility tone down of rhetoric certainly didn't last very long, did it? It's obvious, too, the Republicans can't stand the idea of having the table turned around on them with the very same tactics used by their own Party. Repealing the health reform is not going to happen no matter what they try to do. And stopping of the Govt. funding is only going to hurt the economy even more. That's the plain and simple truth of the facts. So everyone needs to start learning how to work with the program and if possible to be willing to make beneficial improvements or changes to the program. But to waste more time trying to repeal the law, is not accomplishing anything, except for more bickering and not getting the critical work done (which is far too often not the case for Congress). Everyone needs to stop acting like the schoolyard bullies, and place more energy into some constructive ideas from all sides. We've had enough of the tearing down. Now it's time to repair and improve the conditions.

It's a shock seeing an article on MSNBC that reveals Democrats ranting in an uncivilized manner. It's obvious that these Representatives do not care what their leader says or they assume that he was only speaking to his opposition. It is not a shock to see some of the denials by liberals. It is irresponsible for anyone, and most especially an elected Representative to Congress, to claim that their peers in the opposition are Nazi-like in their thinking and actions. It is this unconscionable display that causes the rifts, not comments by media and radio personalities.

One person claimed that Moderates, not Conservatives or Liberals, make up the majority in the United States. This is true. What is forgotten though is that Moderates do not make up the majority of the voters. In most cases, moderate is synonymous with apathy and they do not bother to vote because it is inconvenient for them.

Liberals are so cute when they are being hypocritical.

Nice to see that change in tone going so well for Obama and his team.

I'm starting to feel the love from the left, aren't you?

BBoomer- Please back up your comment "What is forgotten though is that Moderates do not make up the majority of the voters. In most cases, moderate is synonymous with apathy and they do not bother to vote because it is inconvenient for them." with some facts.

Moderates/Independents determined the outcome of the 2008 & 2010 elections and are the only "correcting factor" keeping this country from tipping to far in either direction.

Chen isn't calling Republicans Nazis he's referring to a propaganda technique they employed of repeating false information as true so many times it becomes true with the popular culture. How many people think Obama is a foreign born Muslim as a result of a few moron's dogged persistence hence blood libel. It helps if you read the entire article before casting judgement.

Unlike the Republican Rhetoric for two years, this Democrat substantiates the claim! How you Republicans like that? How does it feel? You know what you can go do with yourselves.... while you're creaming yourselves basking in self pleasuring after 2010...we're gonna kick your butts to the moon in 2012. FU

Edward, why should I? It is an opinion and an observation. An opinion because everyone I have ever met who considers themselves "Moderate" do not vote. Anyone who says "I vote for the person not the party" is not completely truthful, to themselves or others. The Party of the office seeker is critical to how he or she will vote. Not necessarily on the critical issues but on all the small ones that result in federal spending. How many "Independents" do you know who are Conservative? They wear the "I" badge with pride when the truth is, they cannot make up their own mind so they let someone else do it for them.

An observation because it is reflected in all polls taken. Take time to study the polls and not just the numbers sometime and you'll see.

Smooth retort Jake, guess you take civil discourse to heart, no?

Ernie-

You are exactly right. I wish these Obamasheep would wake up and see the bill for what it is. Yes, we need to perfect our health car laws, but making people purchase health care is a government take over. I've read the law and the only parts I like are making it illegal for you to pay more if you have a pre-existing condition and you can't be denied for having a pre-existing condition Other than the two things I just mentioned, scrap the bill and make those two things the law. You'll get the same results without a huge entitlement program that this country can not afford.

Wow, this whole repeal/replace/whatever on HCR has just gotten started and we've already had our first Nazi reference. Kinda hard to go lower than Nazi's, so I'm wondering where things will degenerate to next? We have deficet and debt ceiling battles looming on the horizon and people are invoking Goebbels? Maybe it isn't so much a matter of vittriol as it is a prophetic statement on the future of our country in comparison to the Third Reich.

To bboomer-1466467:

Your comments are so full of "hot air", full of holes, narrow minded, and clearly ILLOGICAL. One of your country-boy remarks states that moderates/independents do not vote because they cannot make up their mind. You have not met all the Independents in the U.S.; nor do you have any valid polls to even begin supporting your so called limited statistics from among your friends. Therefore, you cannot say, "They do not vote". Speak for yourself, but not for others when you don't have all the facts. It 's no surprise Independents, etc. wouldn't want to vote for anyone with such limited, narrow minded party thinking when you make such false and naive statements as yours. That is just more of a schoolyard bully with typical diatribe, rhetoric comments from the "Righteous Right Wing", who can't stand it when the tables are turned on them.

bob-1805084

ForWhatItsWorth,

UH....... Actually it appears that it is YOU who are dumb. You CANNOT own "as many and any type as" you so choose. Try purchasing an anti-tank rifle and see how far you get. Or how about trying to buy something like say,... A 105 mm gun? Try stockpiling a few dozen assault guns and see who knocks on your door Patricia

There is no such thing as an anti-tank rifle. (Idea died in 1930s)

A 105 mm gun? You don't see a lot of 5,000 lb. towed field artillery pieces on the racks in gun stores.

Stockpiling a few dozen assault weapons? Why not, if they are not restricted and you can buy one, or twentyfour. There is no limit on how many you can buy anymore than there is a limit to how much ice cream you buy, or how many cars Leno owns. If they are restricted (full auto) get a tag for every trigger group. Need a suppressor/silencer - same thing. Hate to tell you but, they are everywhere.

So, who is dumb?

"BOB", I guess YOU are as dumb as she is. Ever hear of a recoiless rifle? 106mm..... We used them in Vietnam as anti-tank weapons. AND the twit that you are defending didn't mention anything about buying the "guns" in a store. Where did you conjure THAT up from? Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it? And as far as assault weapons go there ARE limitations on the number you can have on hand if they are full-auto. Even if you possess a Class III license. SO... Now you can go read your copy of Mein Kampf and work on your next screwy defense of the fascists.

A few of the posters, myself included agree that this was wrong. No, it's not 100%, but it is a move in the right direction. Now, about YOUR contribution.....

What about my contribution? All I did was make a simple observation (with a 'civil' tone, no less).

You sure get defensive when it's one of 'your' guys that 'slips up'! ;-)

BTW... i am pretty sure that had it been a conservative that slipped first the libs would have pounced on it. (but since that did not happen it is only my opinion :-)

"What about my contribution? All I did was make a simple observation (with a 'civil' tone, no less)."

And so did I. We are even, brother.

America's white trash and brainwashed drones, taking a little poke at shoot em up Palin and her clan of hillbillies and human garbage.

Don't beat around the bush. Tell us how you really feel.

Well, well slim. Sounds like Laughner is your new hero. If "Ignorance is bliss" you must be one of the most blissful persons in the world.

bboomer-1466467

Well, well slim. Sounds like Laughner is your new hero.

???? That makes no sense. BTW you spelled his name wrong.

If "Ignorance is bliss" you must be one of the most blissful persons in the world.

Thank you. I am.

To SickOfTheBickering:

To quote you: "You sure get defensive when it's one of 'your' guys that 'slips up'! ;-)"

From An Independent Thinker: Are you actually, sort of admitting that your side has slipped-up before? Yah Think!!!! That sure is new for the "Self-Righteous Right Wing".

We'll be watching. (and counting the number of 'slip ups'.)

Just be sure to count both sides :)

Oh I will, Jody... but I prolly won't have to. I am pretty sure that the libs on this site will be sure to count any 'slip ups' that may come from a conservative.

You too, Jody.

Cohen is just the latest idiot to invoke Godwin's Law.

Exodite - Cohen didn't invoke Cohen's Law, he was an example of it.

Godwin's Law, First Read's Law... A nice way to say "Ooh, you compared me to one of the most reviled people that ever lived... therefore, you lose the argument!"

I also like Santayana's Law: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

The problem with de-legitimizing comparisons - even to Nazis - is... what if the comparison is accurate?

Perhaps the comparee's aren't guilty of a genocidal Holocaust; or they haven't invaded a country or bombed the capital city of another nation into a rubble-filled parking lot. But when you take propaganda lessons from the Third Reich, then there is a real danger of a replay of the Third Reich.

Let's not forget how a mob of angry, intolerant thugs can take control of a government.

Jody, I cannot see the logic in anyone trying to compare Obama to Hitler.

At the same time, do research the philosophy of Karl Marx. A rather good overview, with appropriate links to sources, may be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx#Accusations_of_antisemitism

Both sides of any issue should be cited to be persuasive in a discussion, and although opinion must not be confused as news, it still must be based on demonstrable facts

Although Mr. Obama attended Harvard in graduate school, I still have concerns about the direction he insists on for our nation. Harvard has an old and well established reputation for academia, but that doesnt mean its professors are irrefutable. In fact, I look at other Harvard graduates in politics today, and the approach to our solutions seems to me to lack pragmatism ... which I define in this case as common sense.

And common sense is the most basic of survival skills. This nation was, in fact, founded upon it. You might say, an "idealistic pragmatism." They definitely are not mutually exclusive.

Hey SOB!

This JUST in:

We reported on Democratic Rep. Steve Cohen of Tennessee invoking the Nazis in hitting Republicans, now Tea Party freshman Morgan Griffith of Virginia said the following:

“As Virginians we did not accept the chains of George III nor will we accept the chains of ObamaCare

Make sure to score that on your Beckerhead Blackboard! lol

Jody, as a liberal, I betcha don't like genocide much. Hitler wasn't the baddest guy in history. The good ole USA genocided twice as many Native Americans as Hitler killed Jews, but maybe those Injuns just weren't human, right?

One man's good guy is another's evil monster. While Americans weren't starving to death while practicing their genocide, the post WW1 Germans were because of war reparations and were having to feed their children cats and dogs so they wouldn't starve to death.

And, this nation is the only nation on the globe to resort to nuclear war.

Feisty Redhead...

How exactly is Morgan Griffith's statement not civil? No one was personally attacked... there were no allegations of socialism or communism (which you libs seem to take such great offense to).

I think that Griffith's statement was quite civil and somewhat reminiscent of a speech that may have been made by one of our forefathers.

But keep looking... I will be sure to chalk one up for the other side when you can show me a mean and nasty slur...

Just jumping into the fray, here, but I'm a little irritated by the idiotic "Godwin's Law". Oh, please!!! I concur that if someone incorrectly accuses another of being "Nazi-esque" because it is simply the worst example they can drum up, then fine.....assume their argument is invalid (which it would be anyways if they could not support their argument with proper context!) But I've seen Tyler "The Amazing Newsvine Monitor" intervene and suspend people's accounts because they used a reference to Nazism in their post! Ridiculous! If the analogy is correct, and reasonably presented, then no harm is done and the discourse ought to continue.

Hell, I'm going to do the same thing as Newsvine and arbitrarily make my own "law" called "Indy's Law".....the next time someone uses the word "libtard" or "repuglican", their argument is automatically considered invalid and void of recognition! How's THAT for forum gusto!!!!!

skor... you state that the United States is the only "country on the globe" to resort to nuclear war. Well, don't think it isn't for lack of others trying. And please get this correctly... We are the only country in history to use nuclear weapons so far and it was to defend ourselves.

Do you know your history? "December Seventh, Nineteen Hundred and Forty-One, our land of Freedom was defied. December Eighth, Nineteen Hundred and Forty-One, Uncle Sam replied...."

The Japanese Empire attacked Pearl Harbor on the 7th, while we were at peace with them. This was a surprise attack and over 3,000 people including sailors on our ships as well as civilians were killed or wounded. Today, the U.S.S. Arizona, which was sunk, is a Memorial to those who died, including over a thousand of her sailors still entombed there. http://www.americainwwii.com/stories/shipthatweeps.html

A good article with source links may be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor#Controversy

Several viewpoints are included and quite a few good pictures.

Why emphasize Pearl Harbor? Because we were attacked without warning and without provocation, and we defended ourselves. Not only that, the Empire of Japan was already primed to attack the Southeast countries of Asia ... "The attack on Pearl Harbor was intended to neutralize the U.S. Pacific Fleet, and hence protect Japan's advance into Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, where Japan sought access to natural resources such as oil and rubber." But read this for yourselves. The Japanese Imperialism and its aggression of Asia was a long time plotted and planned... in secret.

Stop and think about this...

1) only two two nuclear bombs, primitive compared to today, were dropped in order to END THE WAR we had NOT started.

2) our technology was far advanced from any other world nation in terms of nuclear energy back then. No one HAD nuclear bombs besides us or they would have used them.

My uncle was killed in WW II and I have my aunt's memorabilia willed to me. It hit me close, skoro...

And yes... another poster here quoted Santayana... top thinking to my mind. There are several versions of his words... the one I like is,

"Those who do not study the past are doomed to repeat it."

Get with the program.

P.S. lol Indy Patriot... Good on you! ;)

We'll see...

You are right CaliforniaGirl, bet he won't count the one's on Fox propaganda.

Now THERE'S a non-controversial civil comment if I ever saw one!

The Real Matt.... You are right, the rest of Cohen's comments point to the dishonesty used by republicans in the debate.

One battle does not end a war; neither does one lapse in civility end both sides efforts to keep trying. No one expects perfection but the general tone is much improved from two weeks ago. Incivility, vitriol, ugly, mean and hateful has been the normal for 2 1/2 years, it will take time and continued effort by all of us not just Congress. If you're from TN, send Cohen an e-mail expressing disgust with his choice of words. These two weeks were a start but there's a road to walk to get to the finish line and there will be rocks, ruts and mud between.

Agreed. I think its really sad on two counts. 1) that Republicans have been able to get away with the half-truths and flat out lies regarding Health Care Reform without anyone in the press really taking them to task over it, and 2) that Cohen was foolish enough to invoke Nazism and the holocust when making his argument. By doing so he in effect negates anything else he said during that speech, be it true or not.

Hate to break it to you people but both sides lie. The dems lied about the health care bill and told truths - So did the repubs, on both counts. They call it spin and they "spin" everything to color it to their point of view. I am so tired of hearing dems call repubs liars when they are just as guilty as as repubs. Makes no sense and doesn't get anyone anywhere - it is just more hate speech. If something is said that isn't true - state it out loud, call the person on the carpet about it and maybe some of this will go away. But, unfortunately, the journalists - and I use that term loosely, who are supposed to keep our politians honest, are just as guilty of "spin" as the politicians. The real people out here never get an honest answer to anything. So, we get spin from the left, spine from the right and we just have to go figure it all out for outselves. But, we are all still going to disagree.

Matt... and others who try to point out different aspects of Cohan's speech as viable... Once any person goes over the top in vilification and humongous name-calling of an opponent personally rather than dealing logically with the opponent's views, anything else the insulter says is automatically trashed.

Stop making excuses for this politician. His judgment skills were neutralized if not totally unbelievable by the analogies he attempted.

Well Matt....... Remembering history, even as far back as Christmas , 2009 seems to be difficult for some people. In truth, bipartisan cooperation in the HRC was not possible because the Democrat majority gathered behind closed doors and worked out the 2000+ page manifesto without Republican assistance. When Republicans offered ideas or amendments to the bill, they were either ignored or out-right refused by Pelosi & Company. As far as Obama's campaign pledge, how many promised did he have to break to carry it through? No CSPAN, no tax increases, openness. This is not predicated on "government takeover" of healthcare but of unconstitutional mandates by Congress (later referred to as "taxes" by the Democrats who said it would NOT increase taxes). It is also predicated on the will of the people who voted the Republicans into the majority in the House. In other words, they have kept the campaign pledge made. Passed 248 to 189 btw.

Apparently you missed the many, many liberal posts which did not blame the violence-suggesting speech as the cause but rather that such speech is dangerous and needs to stop. It is heard by the sane and also by those who hear something else. What liberals said is words have consequences and dangerous words can cause great harm. So, what I'm "sick of" is those who try rewriting what was written. Were there a few liberals who directly blamed the rhetoric, probably but you cannot make the claim all liberals did--if that assumption were correct, then I could say that all Tea Partiers promote violence and are racists because I saw the signs at their rallies and be as honest as your comment.

Jody, everything you just said is valid, but don't forget to apply that wisdom to all sides... liberals, conservatives and everything in between.

The only mortal sin in my mind is extremism, regardless the position taken. Trying to defend "extremism" destroyed Barry Goldwater as an otherwise highly thought of presidential candidate years ago.

I would like to point out that you are doing a lot of bickering for someone who is sick of it.

LOL!

So much for civility and understanding, Pueo!

You just got the typical 'frustrated liberal' response. ;-)

Pueo-1105519

"Democrats, or at least the motor mouths in the bunch, are some of the most bitterly childish people on earth. Insulting to the majority of Americans too, since they clearly think that same majority will actually buy into their nasty vituperation."

OK- SOTB, I meant THIS guys post. "now, about THIS GUYS post...."

Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah, THAT'S the ticket....

Um, it's the Republicans and Tea Party people that have acted like little children standing in line at the grocery store when mom tells them they can't have any candy. They start whining, screaming and crying that they want this and they want that and they are going to get back at anyone that keeps them away from their candy.

Just go back and look at the videos from the Town Halls and you will see more childish, uninformed Republicans and Tea Party people than you can imagine. Hell, they even ridiculed and virtually told a woman in a wheel chair at one Town Hall to get out because she didn't deserve to be there.

Republicans and Tea Party people make bad children look GOOD lately.

North Star State,

Oh...I don't know...how about that everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. You just add fuel to the flames by trying to out insult the next guy...

Does that make you feel better?

pueo go to Fox Opinion if you want to see hate. Then return to these pages and apologize to the people. Maybe your mouth won't be so big then.

North Star State

how should I have responded to someone spewing hate....you jerk off.....your Teapublican party is a joke.....bunch of brainwashed dolts who get their news from people who love to take advantage and make millions.

Can anyone reading this REALLY question where the hate is coming from?

You know nothing? How come these peace lovin' dems spew so much hatred? MSNBC has an anchor chair for Brian etc... Nice class comments, libs!

Where the hell is the north star state? Mid Canada?

Well said, babina, good points. When comparing anyone or anything to Hitler or the Nazis diminishes the horror of what they did.

Again, dems lie as much as repubs -

babina,

Your comment that people believe the lies that are fed to them applies equally to Democrats as well....

Just thought I would point that out to you...

Only in right wing fantasies and dreams is that anywhere close to the truth Cassy and you probably know it but won't admit it.

The ultimate horror was the enslavement of Africans by the "founders" of this country. Hundred of years of slavery and continuing prejudice and discrimination, in case you forgot.

And yeah, that actually happened in AMERICA. So it should resonate with you being that you live here.

Sandy, are you that naive? Really? Or let me guess, when a republican lies, they are liars, but when a democrat lies, they are "misinformed"?

Holy @!$%#! No wonder our country is in the state it's in today.

Wake up and smell the coffee burning! ALL POLITICIANS LIE!!!!!!!!

Did you get that or do I need to put it in a bigger font?

Just as people who were fed the lies by the Liberals for long enough that they believed them, eh, Babina?

Oh Lord Pius Emeka Nebo. Please don't mention MAMA Grizzy the mentally retarded creep.

Bob Hall.....don't worry just take cover and you'll be fine.

I hesitate to call you both gentlemen. But gentlemen please listen to your president and tone down the name calling.

And the democrats give us MaMa Government.......no thanks. Health care is not a God given right the government does not give rights. If this bill is so good why is Congress not signed up why have the given 115 exemptions to unions and companies? Hello wake up America not one politician is for the American people on for getting or keeping power.

A dem elected to congress by insane people being insane? Go figure....

I like it, Cap'n. It sounds so....civil, in a pleasant sort of way.

Your friend did not get the Obama was not born in America from Fox News..... They repeatedly stated that this was not true.... Your comment is false....

captcrash, you seem to forget what Fox commentators said during the 2008 campaign. They said over and over that Obama may not have been born in the US. That's same thing as saying he never was to anyone that watched Fox News.

It's amazing how quickly the right forgets the things they have said in the past that show them to be liars and hypocrites.

The name of the Bill in the House is "Affordable Health Care for America Act". (H.R. 3962) The Senate named it "Quality, Affordable Health Care for All Americans". (H.R. 3590).

The problem is there is nothing "affordable" in this bill and it is NOT for "all Americans". This bill is a disaster and needs to be repealed. We need to start over before we screw it up so much that we cannot fix it. The Senate's title says "for all Americans" except the Congress and all these companies linging up to be exempted for reasons beyond belief.

And to Obama..."you can keep your insurance and costs will not increase" Talk about a LIE!!!!. As of January 2011, I was forced to change insurance and my monthly premuims increased $167 and out of pockets expenses went through the roof. Many of my co-workers have met their deductibles already in the first month, where previously, we would have paid a small co-pay.

My wife is critically ill and I am forced to remain in a job that is "a pay check" in order to have insurance. I am not working in my field of training. I am very greatful for my job and insurance, but I am stuck with no options and forced to yield to whatever insurance restrictions are placed upon me. The first time she ends up in the hospital will cost me $5000 out of pocket before insurance will pay ANYTHING. Previously, I would have paid a $500 hospital co-pay using my Flexible Spending Account and moved on.

I am one that would benefit from a National Health Care program so that I could return to my field of training, so hear me when I say this bill in its current state MUST BE REPEALED.

And before you jump to hard on people calling it Obamacare, check your own reference for our previous administration!!!!

Lorenzo,

Do you actually even read what you wrote? No sooner you were calling out Republicans for the "right right slur" of calling it Obamacare and then in the same sentence disrespect a former president by calling him "Shrub".

You are really unbelievable...and that is exactly why people have the kind of attitudes towards Democrats that they do...

Said just like a true Left Wing socialist dumb ass.

YourTruth4u, the right went on the attack right after Tuscon. Amazing the selective blindness of the wrongs committed by the right. The Republicans are the Number One fomenters of hate and divisiveness in the US. You can't go a DAY without hearing lies and BS from the likes of Fox, Limbaugh and Beck. The Republicans have actively supported things like this and many have even said these things themselves. Over 90% of the lies and hateful rhetoric comes from the right. It doesn't take much to verify that either.

Here's a suggestion for you North Star State...

Why don't you grow up and let others be entitled to their opinion. Your continued berating of other's opinions just shows that you are nothing more than a bitter individual that uses name calling as way to make yourself feel better or feel more superior than others.

Yes Sandy and Ed Shultz,Keith olberdink and Rachel madcow are the sane ones What color is the sky in your world?

Mr JK1963, read you comment over and see if you allowed North Star State to state his opinion. No you didn't. You are a typical Republican, you want to snatch other peoples rights and tell them what to do. Why don't you talk to Palin, Limbaugh, Beck and Anda Coulter.

No one is trying to do away with capitalism, it's just that capitalism should play no part in our health care. No one should make a profit from people's suffering and that's what's been happening. The insurance execs pay bonuses per individual turned down for coverage. Health care and ecuation is a RIGHT! Abortion is a constitutional right also, but repubs are always trying to take that right away. Our declaration says everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Unless you're a homosexual. Then you don't have the right to marry. If you feel it's okay to be spending your/our health care dollars for executive bonuses in the millions, then go right ahead and buy private insurance. But I would rather all my dollars go to health care and not corporate welfare.

I would love north star to actually state an opinion. so far it looks to me like he has nothing to say but insults (as well as the majority of posters here). Both of you extreme right and extreme left folks on here are doing nothing except stirring up @!$%#. Don't you all get it that you are all the same? You sit there and tell everyone to think your way, and when someone has an opinion you don't like, you blast them for it.

That's ok, your politicians love you for it. They know that they can say something to piss off one group or the other and send ALL of you into a frenzy. And while you are distracting each other with bull@!$%#, they are going to continue doing what they want to do to stay in office.

Go ahead, keep fighting.

Bob Hall,

I merely stated what was obvious. North Star was not adding any useful input to the conversation, he was just berating another poster.

And yes, I am a Republican and very proud of it.

Holly,

I'm confused. So you are saying that doctors should not make a living? Most people would agree that you only go to a doctor when you are sick, so isn't the doctor making a profit off of your suffering? I do agree that insurance companies need a new business model to redirect their current mission to reward executives by how many people they can turn away, but the reality is that you are just replacing one entity with another...private insurance with the government.

I'm just a little confused too on how anybody here can disallow somebody else from stating their opinion? It's not as if I or you or anybody can over-ride our typing by typing louder or switching on a "kill" button (pardon the incivility of the reference, should have said "termination" or some other innocuous synonym) so that your words won't be seen. Though I'm glad to see that Ann Coulter has finally made the Conservative Commentators "Hall of Fame."

I know they are, but what are WE?

CYFI - I think that's exactly, exactly right - and exactly wrong....

Rep. Cohen obviously lost his cool because he is attempting to discuss facts and substance and the New Republicans are just plain making up stuff. So who should we get really angry about here - the guy who lost it or the idiots making insane, unsupported arguments? You might want to read Paul Krugman's article today discussing the Republican spin / outright lies on healthcare.

Or hey, if you live in Iraq, well, we are making sure that health care is universally available to those people, because every other modern democracy has that and we want to teach them all about democracy....so maybe if the Republicans can authorize the Pentagon to invade ourselves we can keep Health Care Reform?

Just a thought...I see...Because he "lost his cool"...God some of you on the left will try at all costs to not accept responsibility for anything....You spin and make excuses for everything and anything negative that the left does....You blame others for YOUR misgivings all the while promoting yourselves as doing no wrong....YOU'RE what's wrong with America...Because of people like you and Politicians like you, you make others not have to worry about a damn thing and expect everything....

You're past hypocrite, bordering on ignorant...

Have Republicans taken responsibility of 9/11 healthcare or helped rebuild devastation done by Hurricane Katrina?? Just wondering?

Vincent....Step away from the crack pipe...Again, instead of saying "yeah maybe that guy was a bit off his rocker" you bring up other issues you think the Right is at fault for...You've just proven my point ya ninny....

Excuse me, but has anyone here considered that Jared Lee Loughner may have just "lost his cool' too? No, like Cohen, everything he did was thought out before being acted upon. Cohen was giving a "floor speech" to a virtually empty auditorium after hours. His rancor was planned with hopes that something like just this discussion would happen.

If any of you liberals had bothered to listen to Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly you would have heard no charges of incivility against the Democrats except against Sheriff Dupnik. They had nothing but respect for Obama's speech at the memorial, though were concerned that the students may have been a little inconsiderate and that the President should have subdued their exuberance. That is until today.

You are the liar. False accusations with no facts to back them up. Hateful comments like yours are doing nothing but making more people aware of how ugly the Democrats are. Keep it up. You're making a total fool of yourself. And by the way, I understand there was enough truth in the "death panels" to have them removed ... they were real. This health care law is EVIL!