...and, yes, he must still receive an invitation as he is addressing a session of Congress.

must receive an invitation? MUST? Can't the President call congress into session?

"he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper;" - Article 2, Section 3

So, pretty much only under extreme circumstances when Congress is not in session. This takes place during a regular session of Congress so the President only appears at the invitation of the Speaker.

How about we "see if Obama can make it through this one without" an inappropriate political cheap shot.

Hope so... but I'm not holding my breath, either.

Agreed...clearly with the new flock of GOP'ers in the Congress...many seem to be on long auditions for Fox "News" (I'm looking at you Bachmann), the odds of one of the wing nuts showing off for the Tea Party is high.

Sorry, Bob, but "you lie" Joe Wilson took the cheap shot. Pres Obama respectfully disagreed with the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision--and the majority of Americans agree with the President.

Well between the opposing party booing Pres Bush in 2005 and then Rep Wilson with his ridiculous outburst last year it would be nice to see some of that civility at work at this years SOTU.

Sorry Jody, but Joe Wilson's disrespectful cheap shot was not during a State of the Union address. But it doesn't matter, it was disrespectfull to the Office of the President. Wilson apologized to Obama.

Obama's cheap political shot was just as disrespectful, especially considering the occasion.

He ever offer an apology?

Wouldn't matter if he did apologize for you people. Not that he should have to, it was his turn to speak. Wilson and Alito were in his audience; audio, to LISTEN. It is not their place to be heard, anymore that it was for Cao to yell about Obama's birthplace during the reading of the constitution.

Jody / Paul,

Sorry I had an interruption and did not get to edit the above.

Bottom line - Wilson as a member of Congress disrespected the Office of the President. President Obama disrespected the Supreme Court, an equal branch of the government, during a State of the Union address, a completely inappropriate place and time.

I don't care about an apology. I don't care about the left ripping the Supreme Court's decision, I don't care about Obama criticising, or voicing his disagreement with the decision in a different venue at a different time. I just hope Obama does not disrespect his office by disrespecting the Supreme Court again.

It's probably just me, but it would be nice if there wasn't the booing we have had previously, the excessive, jubilatory applause, the cheap shots - If we could have just one time a year, where there wasn't the display of partisanship either way, just respect for the equal branches of government in a dignified manner. The rest of the time - they can put on powdered wigs and go British if they want.

You asked for an apology, by disengenuously asking if he ever apologized. Then in your next post after I pointed out that you wouldn't accept that as a gracious thing to do anyway, you confirm that you "don't CARE about an apology."

This is the very thing we find frustrating.

It's probably just me, but it would be nice if there wasn't the booing we have had previously, the excessive, jubilatory applause, the cheap shots - If we could have just one time a year, where there wasn't the display of partisanship either way, just respect for the equal branches of government in a dignified manner.

No, Bob. It's not just you. Wouldn't the decorum you described truly be nice? I hope President Obama takes the opportunity at the State of the Union to really try to bring the country together. We need to come together.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Let's see if President Obama can make it through this one without a rude disruption...

Time will tell how long this 'kumbaya' moment from the right will continue...

Personally, I'm praying for permanently but I'm not going to hold my breath

See! It's pointless! The liberals on here absolutely REFUSE to admit that they're also to blame for this. You CANNOT reason with people that ABSOLUTELY REFUSE mentally to accept their own responsibility and role in a situation and just do NOTHING but continue to point fingers aimlessly simply to deflect the blame from themselves.

It's pointless! Until the people here like "Feisty" and everyone else like her start to accept THEIR OWN resposibility in the situation NOTHING WILL CHANGE!!!

Good Day from London!

I'll bet he hates giving a truthful state of the union address. That would entail trying to explain away all his dismal failures as a President. I expect him to really gloss over any details that shows the American people what a waste of time his entire administration is. I expect him to blame Bush again for whatever...but that ploy is really getting old.

He is in a no-win situation of his own making for the next (and last) two years of his sorry term. He must almost become a Republican to get anything accomplished. But, when he tries that, he will alienate his liberal, bumper-sticker mentality, base. If he stays the course with his crazy liberal/socialist agenda, he will get nothing accomplished, as all legislation must have the Republican Seal of Approval to pass. So he is dammed if he does, and dammed if he doesn't. He may as well just stay on vacation for two more years and milk this job for all the bennies he and Michelle can devour.

No, it wasn't a State of the Union address, my mistake but it was a speech to Congress to address members. Why should Pres Obama apologize for disagreeing with the Supreme Court's decision and doing so in a respectful tone? That's the point--respectful disagreement. What was respectful about Joe Wilson calling the president a liar on national TV?

I listened to every republican and democratic president's state of the union for as long as I can remember. I've followed politics seriously since before I was old enough to vote. Never have I seen such complete disrespect for any president as I have seen coming from the right for the last two years. Politics has always been rancourous and there have been times when it was heated over certain issues such as the Iraq War, some chatter was over the top but it was about starting a war not about Bush, the person. Now it is just ugly, mean, nasty, hateful, and vitriolic every day and it began before inauguration day and it is only about the person, Obama--they did not attack health care the issue but rather the Obamacare socialist, govt run, take over (none of which is true).

Need proof, just read Edward's comment immediately above, there is nothing in it except an anti-Obama hate rant. A list of nonsense and every piece of it is repeated from ring-wing media. Disgusting.

I'll jump in this fray :) I will sort of agree with Jody only on the condition that the disrespect for President Obama pretty much started on Day One whereas the equal and deserved disrespect for George W. Bush and Bill Clinton were earned by their actions.

I think President Obama is the classiest President we've had in a long time. I truly believe he is trying to fix the country. I haven't felt that way since Reagan's first term maybe? In order to address the issues that affect each of us as individuals he had stir up the hornets net of the status quo and he's done that quite well *chuckle* People don't like it when they have to change sometimes, even if it's for the better.

It's seems our resident Londoner has hit the nail squarely on the head. No such thing as an honest debate when one side refuses to see their part in the issue...

It is difficult, to say the least, to remain civil in a debate with people who argue in bad faith, make up falsehoods and lie about what they know to be true.

Ah, yes Amy- Hope springs eternal. I have a feeling this year will be better than last at this event.

Paul-977599

It is difficult, to say the least, to remain civil in a debate with people who argue in bad faith, make up falsehoods and lie about what they know to be true

DO YOU SEE THIS? You can't reason with people like this! This clown already has the attitude that "people with a conservative view are 'evil' and should be ignored" or judging by his rhetoric "eliminated."

How can you reason with people like THIS?

Answer:

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Of course you are speaking of the 47 percent of people that dont pay any Federal income Tax at all.

if so i agree. Everyone needs to have a Stake in the Game. not just a small percentage.

MN NICE - so right! Speaker Pelosi was a force to be reckoned with and accomplished so much on our behalf. Nice post - thank you!

STEVE - you do realize the 47% your're throwing around are primarily [your fellow citizens] who are elderly, head of household, disabled.

Vermontgirl,

Everyone should have to pay Federal Income Tax. I dont care if its 2 percent of there income or 35 percent of there income. No one should get more money back from the Federal Govt then they paid in. And No one should all of the money back. Everyone. should hae to contribute to the budget. Not just 53 percent............

And the 47% of people do not pay any federal income taxes for one reason, Steve, they do not earn enough money, they're the waitresses, the bellhops, the hotel janitors and maids, they're the people who make the minimum wage--that evil, minimum wage that republicans feel is unconstitutional--that way, those same people can earn even less money. Perhaps those who find the concept of poor or barely surviving Americans difficult to grasp should ask this question: WHY IS IT THAT 47% OF AMERICANS DO NOT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FEDERAL INCOMES TAXES? Incidentally, it was Bush 43 and the GOP who made the most recent cut in that low income tax rate because poverity and near poverity sank into their consciences and I applaud them for it.

Jody,

that is an Excuse, if you want to be able to take something out of the Govt you have to have a Stake in the Govt. You can't say that well 53 percen't of the people have to pay for all the goods and Services for 100 percen't of the people...

And Federal Income tax is Taken out of Everyones Pay Check. Before they Get Paid... the Problem is we give it all back and More then thehy actually paid in the First place. I understand that you think only some people should have a Stake in the govt.. but thats not what i beleive..

and for you to say that Republicans think the Minimum wage is Unconstitutional is just more Liberal hate speach... seems that you want to blame everything on Republicans. when No mention of it was brought up by any of the previous Posters including myself.. dont Democrat or Republican. but that seems to be where your Retheroic comes from

Steve, they do not earn enough money, they're the waitresses, the bellhops, the hotel janitors and maids,

Do they drive on the roads? Are they protected by our military and homeland security? Do they go through airport scanners run by the TSA? Do their kids go to the public schools? Do they drink clean water and breath clean air? These are a few of the services provided by the federal tax dollar, and if the answer is "yes" to any of those questions, the 47%-ers are being given a free ride.

47% of them cannot pay!?! Please. They can afford something and they need to be invested in the country.

Steve,

Most of us believe that only about half of the taxes we pay are income taxes the rest is in the form payroll (SS & Medicare), Property (Home or part of rent), local, state, sales tax and hidden taxes (gas, tobacco, etc.).

Don’t forget that before the tax cuts included in the Stimulus bill and before the recession only 38% didn’t pay income taxes. Then don’t forget the Bush tax cuts of 01 & 03 because before they went into effect only 31% didn’t pay income tax.

Again.. Dennis. I said that Everyone needs to have a Stake in the Game. I understand it is the Liberal intent to blame it on someone.. because as usual thats exactly what you ahve done here again. Blame Bush . I will not stoop to your level. I understand that is the Rethoric that you liberals will use . but why not just say.

Everyone should Pay. or is that beneth you? My guess is you wont. so i wont hold my Breath..

Joanna, well stated..

Steve/JoAnnaSmith1 -

Probably THE most important tenet (to me) is the belief that all people deserve the right to a decent life.

There will always be those that have less. There will always be those of us who have a little more. I sleep well knowing I contribute to our government­'s role in helping people survive and live a decent life. I doubt I would sleep any better trying to analyse who is deserving and who is not.

Do I think our tax code should be reformed. Absolutely! I, nor anyone else, should be expected to trudge through 6000 pages of tax code in order to complete a form required by law. (I can feel my accountant cringing as I write this) How about 100 pages? I could live with 100.

Steve,

My point was that everyone does have a stake in the game in one way or another (sales, hidden, property). But by your account it isn’t enough.

It sounds like you disagree with the progressive tax system that our country has used for decades. I’m all for another tax system that is fair for everyone.

I talked about the tax cuts of 01, 03 and 09. I did not mention any President because Congress passes the bills not the President – so why did you bring Bush’s name into it?

“I will not stoop to your level.” So you don’t know anything about me yet you claim that I am beneath you. That says a lot more about you than me.

“Everyone should Pay. or is that beneth you?” I have paid taxes for over half a century and never complained about them or how my taxes went to support my less fortunate fellow man.

Property Taxes are at a State level sales Taxes are at a State level everything you have said is at a STATE LEVEL. You see there is a Difference between State Taxes. AND fEDERAL INCOME TAX..

and again Dennis you are the one that blamed . not me. the current tax code was passed by a Democrat house and senate. and signed by a Democrat president and i agreed with them passing it.

the original poster said she wanted everyone to have to pay thier Fair Share. and then in the post Under this she agreed with me .

and I have paid my Fair share of taxes all my life as well. but just because i pay my portion of FEDERAL INCOME TAX. <----- see the Distinction. FEDERAL INCOME TAX. I feel that EVERYONE> yes. EVERYONE . should have to Pay. here it comes again. FEDERAL INCOME TAX..

and Dennis. YOU dId bring Bush's name into it.. see your post of 4.7.. again as usual you try and Divert what you said. Claiming you didnt say it . When its there for everyone to READ.. and here i will post the last part of you comment. So you can refresh your MEMORY

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Don’t forget that before the tax cuts included in the Stimulus bill and before the recession only 38% didn’t pay income taxes. Then don’t forget the Bush tax cuts of 01 & 03 because before they went into effect only 31% didn’t pay income tax.

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#4.7 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:57 PM PST

Not remembering what one posts and then blaming me for what you said says alot about you

VermontGirl,

Acknowledged, I appreciate your comments and for being Civil,,, Thanks. yes. our Tax code is out of hand. and the Govt. needs to do something about it..

Steve,

You are correct – I did bring Bush into it – I forgot because he was never my focus, it was on how many people tax cuts let out of paying any income taxes.

My apology !

Old age must be taking its toll.

Apology Accepted....

VG - Probably THE most important tenet (to me) is the belief that all people deserve the right to a decent life

That's very kind of you, but someone has to pay the bills. And having nearly half of the income earning people of the country not pay any federal income tax is not a great way to fund the federal government. Right now the federal government is running a $1.5 trillion dollar deficit, and the Left keeps asking that the high wage earners take on more of the burden while at the same time excusing more and more of the lower wage earners from paying any tax.

Your tenet is fine, but another tenet is that you should pay for what you get, and these non-taxpayers are accepting many services from the federal government without paying as much as a dime. To not be disenfranchised from the process of paying for these services, the lower 47%-ers need to pay something for the services they receive.

Wow, Steve and Dennis are getting along.

Now, if we can get Fiesty Red Head, Bev, JoeNobo, NavyVet and others to stop snipping at eachother there may be some real hope for this democracy.

I like the fair tax proposal.

CORRECTION....... Bernie Sanders issued his regularly scheduled newsletter. It is a 5 page document covering a host of current events. He would be remiss and uncaring not to mention the events in Arizona.

There is one line thanking contributors....because the mailing is to his "supporters". Hardly a "plea".

If you look at his website you'll see the Senator has 2 very heartfelt posts concerning the families of the Arizona victims.

Chill out JS1 - The Hill and The Weekly Standard will twist you into knots if you believe all of their cherrypicking.

Tea Partiers, of course, would never use the Tucson shootings for their own fundraising.

Source:

Oh, I'm sorry VG. I thought with all the copy-and-paste articles from thinkprogress, that all the Libs like to drag into here, that sources didn't matter. Well here are some other sources of the same story you can read at your leisure, be sure to focus on the direct quotes from Sanders.

Feel free to chill while you read them sweetie. No cheerypicking here love. And you've got a high quality Senator in your state with Sen. Sanders VG, two in fact with Leahy. Two of the biggest idiots in the county.

Source Yahoo via AP: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110111/pl_yblog_theticket/sanders-cites-arizona-shooting-in-a-fund-raising-email

Source ABC news: http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/01/sen-sanders-sends-out-fundraising-email-citing-arizona-tragedy.html

Source: Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/sanders-office-defends-re_n_807683.html

Source Politico: http://www.politico.com/blogs/davidcatanese/0111/Sanders_fundraising_email_Is_Ariz_safe_for_nonRepublicans.html

Oddly, thinkprogress doesn't have a story about this. Maybe they will later.

Good source Noid. Strong come back. Any of those Tea Partiers in the US Senate Noid?

Da Noid: here is the source you are looking for: "Tea Party Express on Arizona Tragedy-Send us money."

blog.Seattlepi.com/Seattlepolitics/archives/2351.asp.

SJ1.....the original letter is at bernie.org.

It was sent to his supporters.

Who cares what all of those links say about it? Read the entire letter yourself and you'll see that it was cherrypicked by many for the sole purpose of achieving a negative response. That's the extent of "journalism" in this country. You're better off going to the source and giving it your own critical thought.

Note: Just because you may not agree with their positions does not make the legislators from Vermont or any other state "idiots" as you call them. We live in a diverse nation. Lots of ideologies.

@NDD: Thank you...apparently they don't like you posting links any more.

@JS1: "Any of those Tea Partiers in the US Senate Noid?" What difference does it make? You've stated that fund-raising off of the shooting is wrong. Should that not hold true regardless of who and where you are? Now you want to quantify and qualify your statement by saying it's okay if you're not actually in the Senate?

JS1, I applaud you for taking a stand in the first place because your stand is the right one. How about now you step up and hold both sides accountable?

VG - Who cares . . . . ?

Yeah, right, who cares. Obviously not you.

Fund raising on the tragedy of others is wrong. Sanders should be ashamed of himself. I know I am.

You should be ashamed of yourself, Bernie not so much.

Nadeem,

Bernie is also a Socialist.

"Sanders, a self-described socialist who caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate,"