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The Arizona representative was among several members of Congress whose vote in favor of Obama's health care legislation sparked vandalism and threats by opponents of the bill.
Just a few hours after legislators - including Giffords - voted to approve Obama's controversial health care bill in March 2009, the front door of Giffords' office in Tuscon was smashed in by vandals.
Last August, Giffords aides called the police after a man dropped a gun at a similar town hall style event at a Safeway.
She was among at least 10 congressional Democrats who expressed concern about their personal security in the face of anonymous threats after voting in support of the health bill. Reps. Bart Stupak of Michigan, Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, and Democratic congressional candidate Tom Periello of Virginia were among those receiving threatening messages related to their support of the bill.
At this time, Republicans noted that members of the GOP have also been the target of threats. Newly-named Majority Leader Rep. Eric Cantor said at the time that a bullet had been fired into his office, although the Richmond Police Department later determined that the gun had been fired into the air and not directly into the office window.
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Newly- named Majority Leader Rep. Eric Cantor was proved to be a liar just like the Great Wall of 63 republicans in the House have proved since they took power in the House of Representatives.
The President will give a News conference' watch he is going to lambasted by the Right.
Mr President stay away from Fox. Bill O Reily is a bully and Fox will edit the interview to make you look ridiculous.
He's a Republican: by definition, he's a liar.
This nutjob is a Bachmann, Limpball, Hannity, and Glenn Becky follower.
It was just a matter of time before their crazy f-ing rant causes something like this.
Any repubs out there who have been silent when we've listened to hate filled drivel; ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
Poor lady.. may the Lord be with her... and those who got hurt today - by this lone deranged gunman.
Good Luck congresswoman.
Of course NBC and Brian Williams didn't do anything like that when Williams interviewed Boehner the other day!!! Shut up Beverly! Brian Williams is one of the worst journalism bullies in the business.
I'd bet $1,000 you never watch Fox at all. I challenge you, point out one single documented case where Fox has intentionally edited something fradulently. At least THEY never cropped out a black man's face from a shot of someone holding a rifle at an Obama appearance because it didn't fit their story's "crazy-racist-right winger" narrative. That was MSNBC.
God bless Gabrielle Giffords and those injured or killed by sick and manipulated minds today.
May the country resolve to reject and punish politics encouraging "second amendment remedies to elections", "don't retreat, reload" rather than encourage it implicitly by doing little about it or voting in the party and demented beverage-wearing group that uses it without its members condemning and ending such practices with strength.
Why don't all of you so quick to point fingers read this
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jared-lee-loughner-gabriel-giffords-suspected-shooter-identified/t/story?id=12572164
Does this sound like anything but an irrational mind? Two of his favorite books were Mein Kamf- and the Communist Manifesto.
He was introducing a new currency- and fighting government mind control by challenging grammar and spelling.
Good grief, people, do you even realize how disgraceful it is to exploit this kind of tragedy for political reasons?
You people are SICK !!! A 22yr old shot multiple people and you want to pin it on a political party or people from a different party? That makes you just as sick has the person that pulled the trigger!!
Akins-you reference the Lord and in turn blame a political party, May the Lord forgive you!!! You need it it and you need help!!!
Too easy!
The US has become a rogue state. Corruption within the US political system has seen men sent overseas to fight battles that are nothing more than skirmishes and power struggles between the money men who sit quietly and safely in their luxury homes each night rubbing their hands together in anticipation of their new found wealth.
Wake up American public, your political system is nothing more than a front for mass fraud, corruption, and the defence of the indefencible.
fielden
Too easy!
Yea, so easy you didn't mention one. Must be furiously Googling "Fox fraudulent edits" now I guess.
Paul.... yes i'm sick of political bickering from either side of the political isle... but what I'm more sick of is repubs typically pointing to 2nd Amendment remedies or images of violence whenever they don't get their way. I can't say for certain that a dem hasn't done this in the past; but I'm sure violence is something that the right seems to now call on to show their immature sense of strength... my point here today was to simply show condolence to the victims of this senseless act... but what you hear from my post is the frustration I feel when I hear things like the 2nd amendment remedy... and when violence like this happens to a democrat... especially from a deranged loonie who hates the government this happens.. my mind automatically connects the do to what bachmann and Sharron Angle has been espousing.... and if ur upset... join the freaging club buddy.
Tundy, just a scoop: looneys do not need laws to own guns... Hello!
Tunde-
Keep telling yourself that the next time you see labor unions and students on TV somewhere rioting, throwing rocks and burning things. The "scary right-wingers" at the Beck rally, tea parties, etc, not only didn't engage in such behavior, they cleaned up before they left. But hey, whatever lets you get to sleep at night.
Utter nonsense, all these attempts to politicize this. This kid is manifestly delusional, probably schizophrenic too. This is a huge tragedy; let's leave it at that.
And for the record on domestic terrorism and violent extremism, most of the examples of this in American history stem from the LEFT, not the right: the Weather Underground, the SLA, Black Panthers, and so on -- all radical left wingers.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
Amen! Mattias and Joe!
Matthias the Prompt
I'd bet $1,000 you never watch Fox at all. I challenge you, point out one single documented case where Fox has intentionally edited something fradulently.
What? Bill O'Reilly edited out of his interviews with Jon Stewart
How Fox News Censored Jon Stewart vs. Bill O'Reilly
There were also plenty of sharp points from Stewart that were edited down to, um, duller points. Take this exchange, from the Fox News cut:
Here's the unedited version, which includes Stewart's cogent analysis of how Fox introduces noxious GOP talking points during Fox and Friends—he cites specific examples that the Daily Show has mocked, like Gretchen Carlson's handwringing over the Russian derivation of the word "czar"—and then picks them up during the so-called "hard news" shows under the guise that it's something people are talking about:
WATCH IT
http://tinyurl.com/2uw49b7
My God, Sheriff Dupnik, Pima County, AZ tells it like it is.
"Arizona has become a mecca for prejudice and bigotry." Further, the vitriol is characterized as free speech, but free speech has consequences!
Well said Sheriff Dupnik!
All who have agenda just stop and for a change, tomorrow go to a real church, not one of those bizarre theaters, get on your knees and ask God two favors:
Akins,
That statement by you below is why you need help. You don't know what he believes in or do you? I don't. He's a nut case either way you look at it. You made it political with 90% of these people. How about violence towards ANYBODY is wrong??? Go get some help and I'll pray for you.
" and when violence like this happens to a democrat...especially from a deranged loonie who hates the government this happens.. my mind automatically connects the do to what bachmann and Sharron Angle has been espousing"
How Fox News Censored Jon Stewart vs. Bill O'Reilly
Yea, and Stewart's done the exact same thing to O'Reilly more than once. Neither qualifies as truly fraudulent like, oh I don't know, Alan Grayson's "Taliban Dan" ad:
Paul,... keep claiming I need help... you are a psychiatrist now.
You and Mathias say this isnt about politics and quite frankly you are right.... I don't dispute that. But it's about loud mouthed politicians who say things that can have serious consequences. As in the case of AZ shooting... when politicians say things like "take our country back", "Lock and Reload", "2nd Amendment remedies".... and then you actually say, this dude was just deranged;
BTW, did you know that this rep was one of the 20 individuals Palin placed a Cross-Hair on as targets. She was one of the congress women that had their address and phone contacts listed on conservative websites. When megalomaniacs speak of violence and the people listen.. there's always that one deranged person that will pick up a weapon and complete the sentence. THAT IS WHY POLITICIANS NEED TO SPEAK IN A MEASURED FASHION. EVERYONE IS LISTENING i.e. the SANE and the INSANE.
AND YES, I'M MAD AS HEL* ABOUT THIS.... but the way I deal with situation like this is head to the poll and VOTE for my interest. I DO NOT RECOMMEND second amendment remedies... not like some of the whack jobs voted or nominated by the right.
And Mathias, not in any of my post did I blame or mention "Tea Party" so get your facts straight before you start to post stupid shizz... I don't blame the tea party or look at them as enemies.... I blame the idiots egging some of their fringe elements on - e.g. their "don't thread on me flags"... how can you start a rational discussion with a group that come with "don't thread on me", "Obama's a socialist", oh yeah, and "the Magis negro"...and Yea, I dont have anything against the tea party...just their fringe elements (which I also detest the fringes on the left that believe 9/11 is on inside job). Come at me with something concrete... not something stupid.
Tunde Akins
AND YES, I'M MAD AS HEL* ABOUT THIS.... but the way I deal with situation like this is head to the poll and VOTE for my interest. I DO NOT RECOMMEND second amendment remedies..
Bravo, Tunde Akins, well said.
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Matthias the Prompt
Yea, and Stewart's done the exact same thing to O'Reilly more than once. Neither qualifies as truly fraudulent like, oh I don't know, Alan Grayson's "Taliban Dan" ad:
You do know that is the gist of Comedy to parody with distortions? Whereas Bill O'Reilly is a REAL journalist whose job is to disclose the facts even if they displease him.
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Thinking back to our postings during 2009 and early 2010 when the rhetoric from the far right became so extreme, many of us including some conservatives wrote that the hateful, and violence suggesting words could lead to death or injury. We posted comments urging the GOP House & Senate legislators to stop condoning and excusing the extreme talk coming from not just Tea Party supporters but leaders such as Palin and Bachmann. When one side so villifies the other and villifies government or legislation, when a television outlet suggests the other side is evil and something must be done to stop the democrats by using hated villains such as Hitler, Stalin, when its leaders declare a target, putting legislators in "cross hairs", when leaders suggest people should be "armed and dangerous", it was and remains an outrage. Dr. Tiller, the police officer shooting, the shooting at the Holocaust Museum and now this tragedy.
Words matter--those whose mental state is questionable hear a call to arms. The hateful and ugly rhetoric from one side can affect both sides, the suggestion of violence can have a negative impact on both.
Here are some of the facts about Jared Lee Loughner that have come out today:
He was expelled from Pima Community College due to irrational outbursts during classes. He was told by administrators that he would be able to return, provided he present a letter from mental health professionals that he was not a danger to himself or others. (here is my question: why, given that level of concern, could the school not have FORCED the issue? )
He was rejected for service in the armed forces as being unfit for service. Privacy regulations prevent the disclosure of the findings- but common sense can lead one to conclude that there were mental health concerns.
He did NOT have a Facebook page- he did have a Myspace account, which was taken down by authorities, but has been captured by many and is viewable on many sites. It is just a slice of a deranged mind- under 'favorite music' he lists pass the strings. It also contains his favorite book list, which has been posted numerous times.
He posted prose style YouTube entries, listed bizarre beliefs about flag burning, government mind control through grammar, inventing his own currency, inventing his own language, conscience dreaming, and his take on the "second" constitution. He also has a ling post on a new, one of a kind, bird he claimed was sitting on his shoulder.
No where have I seen reference to Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, or, as one poster on the vine alleged, his emails to Keith Olbermann.
The portrait that has emerged seems to reveal a young man caught in the grip of mental illness. There have been failures involved here, but they appear to be societal- that we have more respect for the rights of those who may be dangerously violent, rather than the rights of those who may be their innocent victims.
Certainly, authorities at the community college who expelled him had reason to believe that he was a danger to himself or others; apparently, they were not free to intervene. This tragedy is proof that laws must be changed so that such individuals have the mental health intervention they so desperately need.
BIG Surprise - NO source for your info NJNB! After all this time, it's not like we would expect one...
In case you haven't noticed, NO ONE is arguing that this young man wasn't mentally unbalanced.
Words & Actions have consequences and like it or not the HATE merchants on the right ARE GOING to be held accountable no matter how hard you try to spin it!
You see. the conversation is going to HAPPEN with or without you!
Your refusal to denounce it - tells us all we need to know about you!
Ms Giffords was the first jewish person elected to public office from Arizona.
And one of the gunman's favorite books was Mein Kampf.
Giffords was having a Congress on the Corner gathering, which was probably publicized. Assuming the gunman could read...well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to make the connection that he knew she would be there.
Could this be something other than political? As hard as it is for liberals to comprehend, it may not be an attack on a democrat by a right wing nut job. It may have been an attack on a Jewish woman by an anti-Semite. But that would be too easy wouldn't it? People like feisty don't want to think of anything other than left vs. right when there could very well be other variables in play.
I hope you won't mind if I don't take your 'word' for it... over the Pima County Sheriff:
You can continue to spin or you can join the conversation that there is a SERIOUS problem in this country...
It could very well be a left vs right thing. It could also be something other than that.
If you want to call it spin, whatever. Your opinions don't matter to me.
I'll wait for evidence to come out instead of immediately jumping on the political bandwagon.
Chef Darrell
If you want to call it spin, whatever. Your opinions don't matter to me.
I'll wait for evidence to come out instead of immediately jumping on the political bandwagon.
Don't hold you breath Fox News is the spin zone. I know of no left media sources that have mentioned Palin as the motivating factor her name yes, but the reason; but Nooo NOT Fox. Fox is too chicken to mention Palin's name.
Fox News started covering a vigil that was happening at the steps of the capitol in Arizona in honor of Gabrielle Giffords after she was shot earlier today. As soon as a young man mentioned Sarah Palin's name, FOX News abruptly cut to commercial. It's sickening. FOX News will do anything to protect the investment they have made in Sarah Palin, even at the expense of Rep. Giffords.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/fox-news-cuts-away-giffords-vigil-when-
On the other hand, the right is taking its usual cowardly blame the left stand
As Arizona Shooting Story Unfolds, Media Already Blaming Tea Party/Sarah Palin
http://bigjournalism.com/wthuston/2011/01/08/as-arizona-shooting-story-unfolds-media-already-blaming-tea-partysarah-palin/
Don't forget to check the Blaze blog
Feisty and Beverly: Good morning. Do you think that no jo will EVER catch up with the idea that the reason you DON"T use inflammatory language like this is because there ARE unbalanced people in this world? no jo: still waiting for you to condemn that language, including "lock and load" "second amendment remedies". When will you show some intellectual honesty and do that? Or is the "intellectual" part the problem?
Good Morning NDD!
Don't forget bullets instead of ballot's...
Did you really string together intellectual & honest in the same sentence when referring to NJNB? lol
Yeah, Feisty, that was a stretch.
Here is a link on his school issues
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jared-lee-loughner-suspected-gabrielle-giffords-shooter-school/t/story?id=12575278
The earlier report I mentioned said he was expelled. I imagine that, with information being gathered this hastily, there are bound to be discrepancies.
I will post a link on his attempt to enter the armed services when I get a chance.
I am doing this for those who are new to the board, NOT for the regular ad hominem attack brigade. I should also mention that it is very easy to verify what someone has posted- one has only to click on the poster's name, which will bring you to his or her vine page. You can then access that person's archived posts.
If you have any questions about who is hurling vitriol, that is an easy way to find out. It will also reveal a lot about the credibility of the poster making the accusations, in case exploiting a tragedy for political ends was not contemptible enough for you to make a judgement on.
Good afternoon Fiesty and newday
No, Dr no jo will never reason that you DON"T use inflammatory language like this is because there ARE unbalanced people in this world.
You know why? Remember she is one of the unbalanced she can't help it. She does not hesitate to bespeak psycho talk.
How kind of Dr. No to pass out instructions on how to access ones Newsvine page!
I would suggest everyone do just that.. What you will find about NJNB is:
1.) She posts daily rants on I HATE EVERYTHING OBAMA!
2.) She's a pathological liar and has been called out not only by fellow posters but the moderators as well on numerous occasions!
3.) She's unwilling to denounce the hate speech coming from with in her own party!
4.) She claimed she has a PHD in economics with is another blatant lie!
Yes... please do visit her site and get to know the NJ fraud a little better!
A word of advice - make sure to take some anti-nausea medication before doing so...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/loughner-unable-to-enlist-in-a.html
Here is the link on Loughner's army rejection.
So, since we are demanding links, I will enter my demand-
Show me a link that offers PROOF, (not some left wing conjecture, but proof), that Loughner was influenced by any of the people vilified on this site in the last two days.
Matthias, about that $1000 bet.
What about when Fox was caught showing a videotape of a very large rally that supposedly occured in the fall, only to have to came back later and apologize because all the leaves on the trees were green and in full bloom?
You cannot seriously believe that it was an innocent mistake. Fox News would never intentionally misrepresent the facts. Would they???
You betcha...
...and another little bit crumbles and falls from liberty?...
i wonder what the authorities will do now that some of "theirs" have been shot?,i think america is about to self destruct...it happened to the mayans,the greeks,the vikings and the roman empires!?...what makes you think you will be any different?,most only last for two or three hundred years then fall!?...how long have you been the usa?1776...235 years...interesting...
i just gotta see what else is written here?...laters...
What about the threats from palin
Lock and Load! The extreme Right has been enticing the sheep. This was inevitable.
Palin needs to be held accountable for murder.
Elly, speakin in these terms at this time is uncalled for. Pray for this laday instead.
You might want to slow down- cause you have jumped to the wrong conclusion.
This is a guy who believes that the government is practicing mind control by the use of Grammar.
He is neither left nor right- he is nuts.
Here is a link
http://www.businessinsider.com/jared-lee-loughner-2011-1
Like the Discovery channel building takeover. Why wait for facts when you can exploit an opportunity to point fingers at those you oppose politically.
I agree with you no joe, but on one point: who in any party, right or left could realistically be blamed for this nuts? Who? Really. I do not believe any of our politicians would approve this type of behavior or... I am in the wrong country.
Danslalune, I agree with you, and I hope there was nothing in my post to lead you to think otherwise.
No one on either side espouses this kind of violence- but I will say that I am thoroughly disgusted with those who seek to exploit such tragedies for their own political ends.
Whatever their political party.
Really, no jo: Remember Sharon Angle, and " second amendment remedies." How about Palin with lock and load, and her use of cross hairs on Democratic elected officials. What about Bachmann calling for an armed insurrection and saying that Dems should be investigated? Hmmmmm? I don't know what happened here and neither do you. But RESPONSIBLE REPUBLICANS SHOULD BE CALLING FOR AN END TO THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE! And since you view yourself both as responsible and a Republican, I'm sure you will be the first to do so. Now, go back and read what the assassin wrote, because as usual, you are wrong.
Agreed but there'll be hundreds of lefty lovers-of-Free-Speech calling for "The Fairness Doctrine" or Palin/Beck/Hannity or whoever to be put on trial whatever the facts. The man was obviously a few fries short of a Happy Meal, whatever his political persuasion. If it turns out he did watch Fox, good for the lefties. Violent nutjobs almost always come from the left despite the fact that liberals only make up about 20% of the country. Now they can finally mention someone other than Tim McVeigh and the guy that shot that abortion doctor when they want to demonize those that think differently from themselves.
Funny though, they'll casually assign blame for a lone lunatic on their political-opponent countrymen but then go insane when someone like Bill O'Rielly gives "muslims attacked us on 911" as a reason when asked why maybe a mosque shouldn't be built so close to Ground Zero. They consider that simple factual statement "tarring a religion because of the actions of a few". YOU CAN'T GO AROUND JUDGING WHOLE GROUPS OF PEOPLE LIKE THAT, you damned racist Islamophobe! Well, not unless the group is white, corporate, Christian, male, straight, conservative or some combination of the above. THEN it's OK.
I watched the youtube nutty rant. I did remember--"the government took--freedom, rights, etc being in the writings.
NDD in NJNB's little warped world those things NEVER happened!
And she'll provide a 'link' from a British tabloid to PROVE it!
Please enlighten us NJNB after 3 years of your daily vicious rantings against President Obama and the Democratic party... are you FINALLY satisfied now that blood has been spilled or will it take a few more for ya?
Really, Feisty. What is so hard to get about this?
Sandtrich- did you miss the part about conscience dreaming? Or mind control through grammar? How about his favorite book list?
You know, I do not recall people blaming the left for Reagan's shooting. I do not remember anyone assigning blame at all. When it turned out the shooter was trying to get the attention of a famous actress, no one blamed her. It was the fault of the nut with the gun. Period.
Same thing here.
There are a few, very few, people on this board for whom I have not had much regard. Now, however, I hold them beneath contempt. That ANYONE would exploit this kind of tragedy for political ends is so disgraceful it is indescribably disgusting.
Tragedies tend to reveal character. These posters would have been better off staying away from the keyboard, as they have revealed themselves to be particularly loathsome.
Then no jo: you will condemn the use of photos of cross hairs on elected officials in your next post, correct?
FINALLY... NJNB reveals her true self!
I hope everyone knows that Fox(false)News is directly responsible for inciting crazy people to commit acts of violence. Night after night they talk hate against people who try to help the working class and small business and they support big oil and big corperations and tell suckers to buy gold.
Bravo No Joe, could not have said it better. I feel as sick as you do when I see this political garbage at a time like this!
Blow hard Joe from NJ---count the endless rants that you have placed on the vine just today. You are a right wing shill that spends a generous amount of time correcting grammar in posts. Are you the "other guy of interest?"
John Boehner said
The problem I have with that is it stops short. He could, or even should, have said that Acts and threats of violence against people have no place in our society.
Hey Sarah..hows that hit listy thing going?
And when will the Media ask her exactly that?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
FINALLY... NJNB reveals her true self
Amazing. I have read these posts and time and time again NJNB has tried to be civil. Has tried to say "it is wrong to use such a tragedy for political gain." Has tried to talk intelligently about the subject. But the MO of people like this (angry ginger) is to just keep hammering away at the "opposition" hoping to get as many "zingers" off on the other person. Not to prove any point, just to act as if "nahh, nahh I got you before you got me." Pathetic. What a sad little person you are.
You're sick in the head to use this tragedy for such a purpose. I can only imagine what the victims and their families think of people like you and what scum they consider bottom feeders like you to be.
Seek help. You need it.
The liars always act like they had nothing to do with giving people the wrong impression.
sad about giffords. Hope the gunman stays alive long enough to tell us why. Based on early news reports the gunman just started shooting erratically.
 Always remember that if we pass the stimulus bill, unemployment will not go above 8%, health care insurance will not cost us one dime more if we pass Obamacare and that last summer was the summer of prosperity, oh and don't forget that President Obama said he would never use signing statemetns on bills (like he did yesterday).Â
Now go enjoy a bake sale somewhere, oh sorry, that right has been taken away from us.
Richard Rohde-2056092
Now go enjoy a bake sale somewhere, oh sorry, that right has been taken away from us
You're crazy and you have no respect!
Sounds like you approve of this shooting? Or at least are happy it happened?
Hey Richard, I think Affgan and Iraq are looking for a bake sale these days I'm sure someone here can afford a one way ticket for you if your interested...Am I right everyone?
Well, Richard, the stimulus was too small, but it looks like we stopped unemployment before reaching 10%. I wish the prior occupant of the White House had done something about the recession HE created and took this guy almost a year to revert. We're not there, but despite all the opposition from those who think like you we're moving in the right direction. Not there yet, but moving in the right direction. Hey, that's more than what George Bush could say about his economic results, right?
The health care insurance bill will save us money, despite what you read in Fox News. So far it hasn't cost us much and it shows some initiative in trying to curb rising health care costs. Again, not there yet, but more than Republicans can claim after eight years in power. Think about it, Republicans had eight full years to implement any health care policy they wanted, instead they chose to do NOTHING! When somebody tries to do something, they're suddenly full of ideas.
As for bake sales, we still have them in my neighborhood.
My final question to you is the same Tripjack asked, are you enjoying this? Do you think that because she's a Democratic congresswoman she had it coming? What does the economy has to do with a congresswoman being shot.
For the record, I think the guy is crazy and not politically motivated, but let's wait and see. I hope she's crazy.
I don't know where you live and it may surprise you that despite all the heated rhetoric about healthcare and how the government is fictionally taking over your freedoms, over 50% of the people in this country are happy with Obama. It's not like Americans are against him, but if you only listen to Fox News and you read NewsMax you may get that idea.
Richard,
“health care insurance will not cost us one dime more” That is NOT what was said. What our President said was that it would not add one dime to the deficit – which it hasn’t because it was/is fully paid for.
They were attacked because of POLITIcal Lying and fear mongering of the far right...and the rehular News is guilty too..when they pretend Tea party People have been threatened....if these Tea party types keep it up they will be mightily surprised if we Bleeding Heart Liberals finally take a stand ....Stand up and say Enuf.....
Who is the worst fomenter of fear and hate in this country...Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck...or Michelle Bachmann or Sarah Palin.... Cheney or his daughter...cheney does not even have a pulse..if he had not ripped off America he would have been...he is walking around with a machine that pushes the blood through his veuns,,,he is in effect a zombie....Is that what you old folks in Arizona want to be...like Cheney???LOL You don't have enough money..for that....you needed to steal better and be connected to halliburton and OIL from a young man...take 5 deferments but start an unecessary war. And I blame the regular Press ...you need to stop feeing the crazies.
Let's see, the guy who shot up the church in Knoxville was crazy and Republican.
The guy who shot up the Holocaust museum was crazy and Republican.
The guy who shot up the policemen in Pittsburgh was crazy and Republican.
This guy is crazy and he shot a Democrat so he's on the Republican's side.
How many more America?
How long before the Democrats start carrying and shooting like today's teenage gangs and their grandfathers, the Hatfields and the McCoys. Yes America is a special country alright. A real image for the world! What a bunch of losers!
Richard Rohde-2056092
Now go enjoy a bake sale somewhere, oh sorry, that right has been taken away from us
Beverly in Chicago
You're crazy
Is he? Try taking a walk to a Great Neck, NY store to buy a pack of cigs while smoking a cig. You'll find yourself in front of a judge. Will that same storefront stop collecting those absurd NY cig taxes? Most rhetorical question in history. Second-hand smoke? What a joke.
I wonder if Governer Brewer and her squad ensured that this Laughner fool has his 'papers'?
He obviously is from the planet Iamanidiot, and is here illegally!...but then being from Iamanidiot reigns supreme.
OMT: What's with all the advertisements that I see popping up in between posts? How do I stop it since it's never happened before.
What are you gonna do? Throw your Teva's at us? Pelt us with vegetarian gluten-free lady fingers? I'm sure you're all quite formidable.
Matthias the Prompt- where have you been all this time.
Lord, did I need a laugh!
Please, post more often.
Despite my designation I arrived late.
I thank you for your kind words however what I wrote was deadly serious. My uncle lost an eye thanks to a moment of carelessness with lady fingers.
This is no time to politicize, our thoughts should only be to condemn the violence.
What I want to know is why your writer has even mentioned the cantor Gunshot....it was a stray bullet never even near the Building ..sortof a richochet..
it has NOTHING to do with this..is it that your Newspaper..ie Journalist is told to pretend there is trouble from both side....If ou want to go back in time..talk about the truth..like the Tea party people spitting on Reverennc Cleaver ..as he went in to VOTe..and calling Barbey Franke insulting names and the address given and encouragement to go set a bomb on another representaative., The Tea Party Peple are the truly Dangerrous wacks...stick with the truth
 Obama used the signing statement to object to a part of the bill, he did not say that he would not follow the bill.
Bush used signing statements to nullify laws. Big difference, but don't let facts get in the way of your rhetoric.
Richard Rohde-2056092 you are the type of ace that makes this country such a wonderful place to live and proves to the rest of the world how ignorant many of the people here are. You are obvious a child brought up on the FAUX story network, Blimp Head Rush, Hot Heat Riley, and the Great Weeper Beck.
Now that I have gotten that off of my shoulders, maybe you could provide us with proof(other than the faux news network) of those statements that you have so easily tossed out there. I would like to see the entire text where he made those exact statements.
Is this the beginning of Sharon Angle's "second amendment remedy" to silencing the opposition of the Rs?
I want you News People to get honest or your middle level management....Rep. Cantors "shot" was found to be a stray bullet not even directed at his office...did not even break glass...and was not intended for him. In the Country 67 percent of he real People want decent health care...your crazy old NUTs in Arizona do nto even know the truth about Medicare. They sold my genearation Houses at outrageous prices and live the good life in the Sunshine state behind their walled communities....YOU obviously feel it is necessary to print LIes...or you will have complaints form the Crazies...Would Cronkite or Edward R Murrow play up to such idiots. And as far as Youor main man Mc Cain..any courage he showed in Vietnam Prison camp he has burned behind him turning into a Pretzel for tea bagger...and that is what hey are...scum...with money.
@ timultit - just what courage did McCain show in that Viet Nam prison camp. He sang like a canary !
oaffended. I wish you would show as much courage as he did. How dare you?
If McCain had any courage he would have fought to the death, or shot himself in the head, not surrendered after he got himself shot down.
What does any of the above have to do with what happened today except the comment from amearican205. Oh Im sure he(she) will be alive for a long while. do to I don't believe he. it really understood what it was doing? Otherwise they wouldn't have caught it so fast. But you know what If your angree about someone you go after that person not just shoot up the whole area a nine year old and another person were killed what did the nine year old do or say that angered him it i mean? I sure hope she makes a full recovery soon...and Most of all You dont kill that person or shoot them you talk to them tell them your views...People are angree today.You need to talk not shoot.....I'm a republican and what happened today is not right not right at all.
Confussed American said: "What does any of the above have to do with what happened today"
About as much as your first post, when you said "Hey Richard, I think Affgan and Iraq are looking for a bake sale these days I'm sure someone here can afford a one way ticket for you if your interested...Am I right everyone?"
Palin - 'don't retreat - reload' ...... Angle - 'second amendment remedy' and the Governor (dictator) of Arizona....
these women of the Republican party are part to blame.... they are not proponents of a democracy - and the sooner their 'base' figures this out - the better off we will be....
they have successfully 'ginned up' people and given them the wink and nod to do their bidding....
these are not the words of people who value democracy
JoannaS
Don't forget Michelle Bachmann's ...I want citizens Armed and Dangerous.
Joanna
I think you're on to something. This happened because of women. When did we think that anything good could come from giving women rights?
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Stop Following PALIN too....You persist in following her incoherent rags....Please --Pkease----Stop ! Palin is an Embarrassment to the qualified Republican Women who had been around and did their job for a full season....
People all over the world think we are stupid because of the Tea party people and backmann and Palin..they are a disgrace to womanhood and education..and liars as said above...Palin goes to the bank thinking ..here are plenty of suckers and i am going to get it while the getting is good.
Now, tell us how you really feel about Palin and the Tea parties... Is it a time to talk about any of this? People died today...
Giffords should sue Palin in civil court and take away her million$. Wouldn't that be greatly ironic? Palin would end up famous, wrinkled, and penniless. And Todd would bolt with his half, before the judgement stripped her of her blood money.
a bullet through the brain with five others dead and five others wounded doesn't sound "erratic" to me.
arran - from the video news transcript...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/
Your last paragraph about Rep. Cantor does not need to be mentioned. This is a time to unite and condemn violence, not to see who "had it worse".
Amen!
Im surprised that MSNBC isnt reporting that Rep. Giffords was on Sarah Palin's gunsight hitlist!!! Why wouldnt they mention THAT????? Too many Republican officials said nothing about the real and implied threats to Democrats. Remember, this was the 5th attack on a Democrat recently.
The news source I originally read about the shooting made that observation. Could it be that you place to much faith in FR?. The world is much bigger than FR.
Most links citing the target list dated from March 2010. One link did cite palin had a list on facebook. Regardless creating a "target" list doesn't automatically assume that someone condones assasination. Unless of course you are a radical muslim terrorist.
Has anyone asked Sarah Palin if she thought Lautner needed to "RELOAD".
It is hard to read these comments... Are you American? If the answer is yes, think.
 I am appaled that some one has the audacity to assinate our public officials.
A public flogging would soon end this type of activity. But, oh no. We have become too civilized to protect ourselves.Â
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This is, to my mind, what comes from certain political factions using loaded, violent language for the sake of simply attracting attention: they encourage unstable people to actually ACT on vague, overblown fantasies of "revolution," thinking they have the backing and understanding of other "patriots."
They're playing with fire and this is the result.
We are all Americans in this country, and ALL patriots in our own way because we love where we live and where we were born. And ideally, being an American means we are an independent mixture of all types, where everyone has a voice and a vote.
It scares me how our level of discourse has sunken so low that many people no longer make sense and are incapable of using arguments based in logic and reason. It's all about personal insults (just watch what's going to happen here on this thread) and a fiercely emotional us-against-them mentality that is completely closed-minded.
Having someone show up to a political rally with a gun strapped to his leg just to "make a point" is outrageous and shouldn't EVER be allowed, I don't care how much you think you have a right to bear arms. It's an implicit threat of violence. It also sends the wrong message to potentially violent dimwits out there watching TV, who are impressed with the media coverage.
I pray for all the families of those shot today. And I pray for our country. We've lost our way on many fronts. It's very sad. Blessings to all.
O jennifer... The poor people wo listent to bad speech and can't think for themselves... Please, the GUY IS A NUTS! Stop the nonsense and the blabla!
You were told that your choice of rhetoric would give the NUTS permission to be patriots by spilling the blood of "traitors". Everything with you folks is death and "killing". Death panels which don't exist and Job "killing" legislation, which is another lie. You talk about personal responsibility and then run from it. You're nothing more than moral cowards.
Why all of the hate filled opinions and the blaming and false accusations pointed towards conservatives. None of us have a clue why this guy did this. Let us all pray for the victims or at least show a little respect for these people and their families. As a side note, from what I've seen and read, it's pretty obvious that the tea party is primarily concerned citizens trying to peacefully save the country not tear it apart or incite vioence.
Good for you midwestguy! Enough of this politics! Let's be Americans! Period!
Only the willfully ignorant would announce that they "don't have a clue" as to why this happened when we were warning you that your rhetoric would incite this very activity. You're like Bush and 9/11 all over again, Katrina too.
You don't listen to the warnings that you are provided in advance, and then act like you couldn't be expected to act accordingly ahead of the event.
With all due respect I disagree with you Paul. As an example, look at the guy that shot Reagan. I think it had something to do with trying to get Jodi Foster's attention. All I'm saying is why not wait to see what the facts turn out to be instead of making assumptions.
Paul, why are people victims to you? Why are they not responsible for their actions? Anybody can say anything around me, I will never shoot anybody. Why does it have to be somebody's fault? Do you want to supress freedom of speech in this country? What do you want excatly? Time to take responsibility, time to speak up and not blame everybody, or a party for one crasy gunman! Don't you think?
"Time to take responsibility, time to speak up and not blame everybody...Don't you think?" Paul can answer for himself, but as for me, no I don't think that is accurate at all. You cannot have people, under the guise of free speech, putting pictures of elected officials in cross hairs on blogs and expect to not have to take responsibility when one of those people gets hurt. What responsibility do people like Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilley, and Hannity have, when they DAILY use inflammatory language about a group of citizens, duly elected, and then someone gets hurt? You want to call for people taking responsibility, then do that, but make sure that you are included those who use rageful words and images to inflame those who may not be able to discern that you don't go around acting on hate.
Just because you may disagree with the people you cite does not make what they say inflammatory. Who called for any acts of violence? What is inaccurate? The fact of the matter is is that we do not know the shooters reason for doing this, so until we do then why blame others and spew hate.
Did you forget Sharon Angle's saying that there should be Second Amendment remedies? What about Michelle Bachmann calling for armed insurrection. And what excuse do you make for Palin having cross hairs over Democratic officials. You want to be reasonable then you had better stand up, condemn inflammatory speech, be it from Republican or Democrat. Otherwise, you are just an apologist, and should be ashamed of yourself.
Points taken.
But while I certainly don't blame people directly, one has to stop and think before speaking.
When one speaks up in defense of the right to bear arms. When one posts maps of congressional districts with gunsights printed over them. When one speaks of taking someone out. When one talks about locking and loading.
When, with all of this there are unbalanced people out there....
fielden: sometime I will understand what people don't get about this. Words have meaning and can have consequences. And if people like Palin, and her ilk want to use language and visuals like that, they should be willing to take responsibility for it. There are too many unbalanced people out there, WITH GUNS, thanks to the NRA, and terrible things can result.
I am conservative and condemn inflammatory speech. I'm sorry but I thought that was kind of obvious. I had just made an observation that we should support and pray for the victims and step back to see what the facts are before jumping to conclusions. Just curious, why should I be ashamed of myself for that?
If you are a conservative, and you support Sarah Palin, Angle or any of the others who have made statements regarding the use of arms to get their way in the United States of America, YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED! That is simply treasonous. You say you condemn inflammatory speech...really...then you should DAILY be demanding that your conservative friends knock this crap off.
Huh? Unreal. I give up.
Really, midwestguy? Then you weren't interested in why I might think that Conservatives need to get this kind of language under control. All you wanted to do is deflect responsibility for the current poison in our political system.
I think I wanted to support and pray for the victims and not jump to conclusions. That s all...bottum line. I'm sorry if that somehow offends you. I've seen inflammatory remarks and lies from Democrat and Republican politicians. If it really makes a difference, I am not personally pro Democrat or Republican, I am pro America. I can't answer for what some Democrat or Republican politician says. You wanted me to condemn inflammatory speech and I did. I guess that wasn't good enough for you.
Midwestguy, Alinsky rules.
Even today, under these circumstances, they cannot prevent themselves from using them to exploit a tragedy to further their agenda.
They are beneath contempt. You are right to ignore anything else posted by any of them.
Midwest, you are right. It seems from what I am reading that these people are more followers than thinkers. I don't care what speeches are out there. I have my opinions and I don't go out and shoot people. For them, people are "manipulated masses", and on't have a mind of their own, victims in other words.
How pompous. I don't get it.
I come back to what you said: this act of violence is inescusable, does not have any explanations, besides the fact that the guy is a lunatic.
This is a time to unite, not to politicize. But I guess, it is too much for some people.
no jo: Are you aware that a nine year old girl was killed by this Palin jerk0gh! How would you feel if that had been your princess? Should some liberal be allowed to put crosshairs on her?
Well said danslalune. You are spot on no jo. Especially obvious when you see Paul's response. They comment that all of these unstable people are influenced by hate speech and then they spew hate. Are they trying to get some unstable person to go after Palin. Oh I forgot, that's different. By the way Paul....I looked it up and the crosshairs were on a map and not on a picture of an individual.
Boy, I love the disingenuous of all of this. NONE of you, midwestguy, danslanlune are interested in praying for ANYONE. You are only interested in protecting the right wing nut jobs that promulgate hate. We expect that from no jo, who is incapable of intellectual honesty, but I keep hoping there are others out there who have a brain cell operating. "By the way Paul....I looked it up and the crosshairs were on a map and not on a picture of an individual". Yes. Along with their names. Like that makes it so much better. People like you make me ill.
You're just full of hate newday. I'll pray for you too.
And then they get pissed off when I refer to them as the STUCK ON STUPID crowd...
Ill is right... nothing more than a back peddling bunch of denying bastards...
"Wasn't me"...
wow
What's the matter midwestguy; can't deal with facts? Don't bother praying for me, I have my own beliefs, and can tell that I have NO interest in yours. I suspect prayers from you go straight to old Satan.
Ok, here we go. I can't deal with facts. I will not pray for you as per your request and I will stop praying to Satan. lol
midwest,
Good posts, I don't understand how they turned this into a political event, sad, very sad. I hope she recovers and I pray for the families that lost love ones. I acually watched Obermann tonight and I can't believe that he pretty much blamed Conservatives for this. Now he did take some responsibility for his actions which was a good thing, because 99% of these people on here take his words as the truth.
There's crazies on the Left and the Right, this is a fact. Maybe change needs to be made from Obama all the way down. You can't have the President calling people "Enemies" to canitadates calling to bear arms if you don't like your Government. You look at this nut that pulled the trigger, nobody knows why and you have people on here placing blame on a political party. Before you eat crow, you might want to wait and see the facts first.
Well said Paul. I started to get a little off track. Hope things are starting to warm up down there.
Maybe the FACT that it happened at a political event has something to do with it...
Hey Midwest...
"I looked it up and the crosshairs were on a map and not on a picture of an individual."
And RIGHT below is a LIST of people targeted. You are an appologist
And you're an idiot.
Kindly enlighten us, screeminglib, how to differentiate between right wing rhetoric, and left wing rhetoric.
What, exactly, is so different and acceptable about the dailykos putting a bull's eye on the congresswoman's district- actually, on her name?
http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-3-05-33-pm.png
Your hypocrisy does not bother me nearly as much as your willingness to exploit a tragedy for political gain. Disgraceful. Simply disgraceful.
OHHH .. Granny High and MIGHTY....
Give it a rest already will you?
What bothers me is your unwillingness to denounce the hate speech... Not like I figured you for anything less...
You've been proven time after time as a hypothetical liar and yet you keep coming back for more!
I'll grant you that Granny's got some balls... and in the meantime...she's still a miserable old b!tch!
Who peed in your cereal Feisty? lol
 It is hard to believe that Americans can think that this is a matter of right or left. Can't you see? This is all wrong! Get a grip!
Grow up children, you're too quick to point the finger at your least favorite political party. Way too easy!
If you'd have done research on Gifford's history, she never voted voted entirely positive on Democratic Bills. She was all over Washington to UP the security on Arizona's borders. Not very popular with the democratic party OR the drug cartels. Also was not PRO illegals as far as recieving benefits..
Any one of these factions besides a random Crazy could have been behind the shooting.
With the unrest of the citizens in the U.S.? This might only be the start of atempts on politicians lives. All part of the karma they've created by some of the one-sided laws they have passed. Watch their reactions now, more anti-gun legislation... which will only anger more citizens who own firearms but never stop a Crazy or dedicated killer from shooting anyone they desire.
Sarah Palin put her on her "hit" list. Gunsights! Crosshairs! Bull'seye!
So Sarah Palin put Giffords specifically on a hit list? Or was it her congressional district?
It was her specifically. It says her name doesnt it??? it doest just say AZ-8
So again,,yes it was Rep Giffords specifically (along with 19 others)
According the the assasins facebook page
The shooter was a Sarah Palin fan. I can't understand why those an the right don't understand that their hate speech has consequences. Orlahoma city, inspeired by hate and now this.
nadeem-1906025
According the the assasins facebook page
The shooter was a Sarah Palin fan.
Well that settles it. I've been waiting to hear he was a Glenn Beck Fan. Maybe this guy is a "Progressive Hunter" like Byron Williams.
Byron Williams opened fire on California Highway Patrol officer
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/20/MNMN1EHB37.DTL
Byron Williams: Beck is "like a schoolteacher on TV"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201010110009
My question: how many more jackwagons out will rise up?
Here's another one...
Kenneth B. Kimbley Jr. A self-described militia leader discussed bombing local bridges with an undercover federal agent and made threatening statements toward President Barack Obama, leading investigators last July to seize 20,000 ammunition rounds and several firearms from Kimbley's property. His idol, TV commentator Glenn Beck, typically states on the air and is protected free speech."
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/nov/23/self-styled-militia-leader-pleads-guilty-grenade-c/
Byron Williams loaded up his mother's Toyota Tundra with guns, strapped on his body armor and headed to San Francisco late Saturday night with one thing in mind: to kill workers at the American Civil Liberties Union and an environmental foundation, prosecutors say.
Williams, an anti-government zealot on parole for bank robbery, had hoped to "start a revolution" with the bloodshed at the ACLU and the Tides Foundation in San Francisco, authorities said
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/20/MNMN1EHB37.DTL#ixzz1AV5gOKFY
Byron Williams said Beck is "like a schoolteacher on TV"
You're just as crazy with your rants!!
Paul-Florida
You're just as crazy with your rants!!
I assume you were NOT talking about moi? If so then you need some conflict resolutions. To put it another way, you sound like someone who just flew over the cuckoo's nest.
This was a horrible act which may have been influenced by the hate-talkers; especially Glenn Beck, on FOX NOISE'S ECHO CHAMBER i.e. rabid right wing talk radio , and blogs.
My post was an example not a rant.
Hi Beverly, Your attempt and your left wing friends attempt to blame or to cast the blame on others for
this horrible murder of the innocents is as usual your modus operandi. Our America, Beverly will see all
the other countries in the world reach their Nirvana or Utopia as mankind is hoping for but in America
the shooting will continue. Now, ask yourself why that will be.
Because you don't care enough to try to stop it. That's why you started it.
nadeem, I don't see any hatespeech. But what you are doing is enticing hate. Can we gather at a time like this? Or is it too much to ask? Why pointing fingers?
Amen.
It is in her/his nature. Besides I haven't heard of the shooters name as have being released yet. As far as I can tell nadeem set it all up.
LAUTNER. We can thank Sarah Palin for this.
O please Paul get a grip!
It is disgusting that the media is already turning this into a political battle. Such hateful things are being said. All we know is that some young kid with a gun did this. Finger-pointing and political spinning...shameful. Don't you care about the victims and their families? Report the facts! Perhaps Columbia doesn't teach that anymore?
In March, Giffords said, "Sarah Palin has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district and when people do that, they’ve gotta realize there are consequences to that action."
In March, Giffords said, "Sarah Palin has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district and when people do that, they've gotta realize there are consequences to that action."