Uh, Pat just what do you recall Bush's approval rating being in 2002?

And seriously, what actual value or credability does any cite to Media Matters have {in your opinion}? You can do better.

What value or credibility does the right news media have? This is a very credible article. Media Matters has a tendency to spend their days undoing lies. It's what the media is supposed to do. Not create lies.

Media Matters. Yes it does. To tell the truth.

Enjoyed your post, Pat. Good information. Perhaps, we are seeing a dent in the right-wing media armor--after awhile people stop listening to outrageous claims because they cannot match the Pres Obama they see and hear with the claims they made about HCR, financial reform did not happen. I heard that Glenn Beck's radio show in NY and Pittsburgh have been cancelled.

I'm still waiting for Rush Limbaugh to move to Costa Rica as he promised to do if HCR was passed.

Thank you Jody. I had heard about Beck's show in NY being cancelled but hadn't heard the news about it being cancelled in Pittsburgh as well. He is a nut job. Now there are stories floating around that there is a white flight from Obama because of race.

Question: Has his race changed since 2008 when whites voted for him then?

President Obama is doing a good job who has never once sunk to the level of the pie in the sky rhetoric we have become swamped with since he was elected. This is what defines leadership, when you can ignore the 24/7 crap and keep working to fix what ails the country. Staying focused.

There are an awful lot of opinions out there, and most of it is just plain BS. He's over-exposed, he's not out there enough -- he's too left, he's too center, he's a Republican-lite, he's a sell-out, I worked hard for him and didn't get what I wanted - blah, blah, blah.

It looks like there's a lot of people out there who don't want to see the president working side by side with certain members of Congress. This hurts the left, or it hurts the right.

What about the country as a whole?

So much truth in your post, Pat. It's like I said the othet day about the 'Aqua Buddah' nonsense. People DO tune garbage out when it's so obvious it IS garbage.

Pat, the Gallup polling you cite was a result of bad polling on one day. Since it is a three day rolling average, it shows up for three days. The number has already corrected

http://www.gallup.com/CustomPages/Daily.aspx?site=WWW&space=WWWHPRIBBON

As you can see, his approval is back to 46%, with disapproval two points higher. That does not mean that he dropped that much- ot that disapproval jumped- but that the pool was corrected.

That is one reason that daily tracking polls are so volatile.

"People DO tune garbage out when it's so obvious it IS garbage" -

So true drive-by. So true.

Just for the record, I read yesterday that the Philadelphia radio station that was carrying Glenn Beck had dropped both his show AND Hannity's.

Fortunately, even though the station bills itself as "The Big Talker", they did keep Sid Mark's "Fridays With Frank" and "Sunday With Sinatra", though!

I think , what I would like to see are questions asked having to deal with matching political votes to the money congress members receive from lobbyist and PAC's andreal honest answers received..not that I think any honest answers would come out. For instance, the health care issue the republicans are so ot on...when this bill was writen, no cost controls were in it....for the banking industry that congress deregulated...nothing has been done to correct the huge mistake congress made...the banking people handed out many thousands to members for that one alone..And it does not matter if it claimed to be for re-election or whatever..they, the banks, are getting their money's worth just as the insurance companies did.

Where are the proper questions, oil prices going up, HCI preimiums sky rocketing? Socialisum /communisum were dirty words, what has changed? The present administration policies for drilling? Gitmo is still open? Transparience? The czars, alot of good questions need to be asked? The honor and integrity "character" of our elected officials should be bold questions that are asked!

Remember when Americans - for the most part - were huggers of each other because we actually ````cared about each other and NOT for Photo - OP? No more - Congressional huggers look as if they preferred to plunge a knife in the back of their hugiee. When all three sides DECIDE AMERICA first then we can cut the crap, live by rule of law, rebuild America and mutually solve our problems. Both sides MUST back off, work together and STOP - we must pass the bill so YOU - our citizens - will know what is in the legislation. That's bull@!$%#! No one has the definitive answers There are mutually acceptable united answers IF we as a nation and congressionally work together. Who takes the first step? Why not together - restore values - rip ACLU out by the roots and become Americans again? Let's do it!

Good question, I was wondering that myself.

Good Point! As James McConel said to Wolf Blitzer last night "Republicans are hyprocrites on the HCR." They will vote to repeal but they won't refuse it for their benefit.

I think it's time for the media to make an effort to list the benefits house members receive at tax payer expense contrary to what average American receives. A weekly current events score card of who and what. I think many would agree a good starting point would be congressional health care benefits and a pay reversal of six years with a freeze. I doubt you could find any members who would endorese such measures sadly a testament to our elected representatives. Do as I say but don't do as I do.

Good idea,Mary, but the House Repubs voted against disclosing that they even receive health benefits paid for by their constituents.

Good questions Grimey and well-stated.

Happy New Year

Oh Yes.. 4 White guys all conservative on Bevs hate list.. did you forget to mention Bush?

What is your problem, Steve? There is no suggestion of racial context in Beverly's post. It seems you have an ugly attitude.

Beverly is always pushing the racial angle. She equates everything that she disagrees with as racism.

Exactly inthemiddle.. I will not let up on this RACIST. I understand you accept her Reverse Racism Jody. and you excuse it because you are a Liberal. but i wont.. Sorry that bothers you but to damn bad..

Jody - What is your problem, Steve? There is no suggestion of racial context in Beverly's post. It seems you have an ugly attitude.

Jody, the fact that she didn't write anything insulting is amazing. What type of attitude would you say Bev. has?

Jody, Iowa

'What is your problem, Steve? There is no suggestion of racial context in Beverly's post. It seems you have an ugly attitude.'

The guy's just a baiter, plain and simple. He's GOOD at being a baiter. As a matter of fact, he's a MASTER.... Oh well, you know what I mean

Steve,

You may think you have reason to believe Beverly is a racist, but nothing she wrote in this post even slightly suggests that.

To the casual reader this thread makes you look like a racist or at least a race baiter. Just remember that most observers don't have the entire history of FR posts in their memory. You may not want to let up because of something she posted in the past but you should be careful making accusations on new articles because the context is missing and it makes you look really bad.

Sure Bev. I see your three mean white guys (right) and give you Schultz, Olbermann and Maddow three equally mean white men (left). And I go with those three cause we know the Rev. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson (I and II) never lie. But I will say it doesn't seem like they like gay folk. Did you see Sharpton go off a couple of weeks ago with the gay baiting?

And Drive By, I like the way you artfully insult folk by implying they self love. You've done it to me a couple of times. Each time was very hurtful, but it really does beg the question:what is your fascination?

Media Matters is totally biased, just like Newsbusters. But applying Bev's logic (I know never thought I'd see that sentence) Drudge is equally unbiased because al it does is link to the article, i.e. the source documentation. I wonder if Bev finds Drudge to be as unbiased as Media Matters?

Good thing we are all able to think for ourselves, so their spin is irrelevant, right?

Yes Charles. Tell me what to say..

for 2 years i have listened to BEV Call every Republican a RAcist because there is a Black man in the White house.. and they disagree with his policies. . Now you want to come on here and tell me what to think about her. sorry that you dont like me calling her out. I dont really Care what you think...

now we can go to Bevs many other post about Speaker Boehner , and she calls him everything but a White man.. so . I get it.. dont root out Racism unless its a White person.. and a Republican. Other then that its ok.. Right?

Steve,

I see what you are getting at although I can't remember any specific examples so I can't say that agree or disagree with you. I just meant that when you bring it up and the context is missing it is hard to see your point and it looks like you are the one race baiting. Maybe some links or quotes would help.

I just re-read my post and the tone is a bit preachy. Sorry for that. Have a good weekend.

Charles: a little history with Steve. He will respond to anyone who will pay attention to him with outrageous insults. This has nothing to do with Beverly at all, it is how Stevie gets attention. If you notice, he will never post anything substantive, it is simply one insult after another, hoping to get the other person to engage with him. There are a few posters that I do not respond to or read, ITM is one, Steve is another, and I have added JS1 to that list based on what she said both about affirmative action and Dr. King. Life is too short to deal with fools.

yea.. Thats it Newday.. You are just another Liberal that Claims to care abotu all People all the While Disguising the RACISM that Beverly spouts on a Daily Baiss.. I will not be quiet about this Black Racist Women. She Cant keep Screaming that White people have held her back and . Racial Divisiveness all the while preaching hate against White people..

You are just another Liberal that Claims to be against Racism but only if its a White person doing it. you never say anything when its a person of a Different color. As for me. I will call them all out. and Bev just happens to be the Flavor of the Day.....

Charles..

just go to the "Birther Arrested story".. and you will see exactly what i mean about Bev.. you will find it in first read.. you just have to scroll a bit to find it

See what I mean, Charles? A complete waste of time.

Yes.. you are a Waste of Time Newday. Defend your Liberal Friends Racist points of view..

Media Matters is a left wing George Soros smear organization. 0bummer will be swept out of office along with a bunch of Senate Dems in 668 days.

As a semi-regular poster on Media Matters, I believe you are full of it Obama hater. How is showing actual footage and dialogue of right wing liars a smear? George Soros merely donated to the site. He does not own it. As far as Obama being swept out, that is based on your own hatred and willful ignorance. Try not to lose reason before losing face.

What's a Federal Democacy? The USA is a Republic.

The usa was designed to be a democratic republic, and was for sometime, the definition of a democratic republic does not "fit" any longer.

The Country America today- moving more and more to Socialism- less and less toward individual responsibility. I am 68 years old quit school in my Sophmore year of high school joined the Marines and served my Country. More importantly have lived life responsible for my actions- seven children brought into this world-never once had I put my hands out to the Govt. My daughter became pregnant at 16 years of age- not the Govt responsibility mine. Mom and Dad aged and needed assistance never turend them over to the State assumed the responsibility. That was what I taught about being an American. In today Society it is acceptable to turn Mom and Dad over to the State Institutions for their CARE. Very justifiable-lets me continue to buy a new car and enjoy the money I earn without responsibility. Oh yea daughter gets pregnant today turn her over to the State as well. Government dependency all began in 1965 when LBJ and the Democratic Congress launched the NOW WELFARE PROGRAM- the fraud involved in Welfare today accounts for 50% of all dollars. And now we are hearing the same argument for a Health Care Plan by the Democrats that they argued for Welfare. The fraud the Health Care Plan will create I cannot even begin to imagine what this will cost future generations.

WE ARE MOVING MORE AND MORE TOWARD A SOCIALISTIC STATE and unfortunately it is dividing us as a Nation more and more.

My solution for America-First and foremost AMERICANS need to become more responsible for their lives and those they call loved ones. Secondly, TERM LIMITS ON CONGRESS, Third REMOVE UNIONS at Federal, State and City levELS. Unions are no longer BROTHERHOODS they are Greed Conglomerates.

In closing-not just Democrats, or Unions but Republicans and Independents have also forgot the PRICE THAT TRRUE FREEDOM BEARS.

Dominic - You sound like a page off of Faux News. Stop bashing unions. The people responsible for ruining this county are the ones with the money, Wall Street, Banks, Politicians, big Corporations, and Fox TV among others. I have a question I'd like answered, why the BIG "Fox emphasis" on the unions? Really, have unions bankrupted this country or were they not a factor in bankrupting this country. I'll say it again, I believe it is the policies of the government that allow big money to hide their money in off shore accounts so they don't have to pay taxes, Wall Street unethically betting derivatives, and the otherwise pushed limits of ethical behavior of the Banks, Wall Street, and big corporations like AIG. Am I wrong? I don't think so.

The media has been instructed to refer to the health-care legislation as Obamacare by the people who sign the checks, nuff said.

Since the United States is a plutocracy in which there is a "fusion of money and government" Obama will have to "chum up" with the people who control the government if he wants to be considered for re-election.

Don't blame the illegals, blame the employers who hire them. Everyone, including illegals, must show proper identification when/before being hired. But some employers specifically ignore the law--think Iowa's Agri-Processors in Postville. If they stop hiring, they will stop coming.

Jody - do we blame the crack-head or the crack?

Are the illegals blameless? Do they bear no responsibility for their acts? Do you give them a pass just for the immigration viloations or does it go for all of their crimes? You know like identiy theft, driving without a license/insurance, tax fraud. Just how many freebies to they get?

Take heart Jody, they are coming you way in large numbers. I'm sure you'll enjoy them as much as we so here along the southern border.

and here you have another Slur by Beverly. Of course she couldnt use the Term Tea Party. she has to put her own little slur in there.. so i will continue to call this RACIST OUT...

Why- because she uses a term coined exclusively by the 'grass-roots' outfit itself? You know- the tea-baggers?

BTW, Steve- jus t what race is 'tea-bagger' refering to, anyway?

I understand DBO that you wish to claim it was Coined by the grass roots outfit. but it was and is a Degrogatory TERM used to Discribe . Gay men Sticking there Testicles in the Face of another man.

We republicans understand that it doesnt matter to you when you liberals use Degrogatory terms to Descibe another Human. But God forbid a republican use a Term that upsets you .. Like the Term Fag... you see it was used to describe a Cigarette, and in many parts of the world its still is .. the Term Gay used to mean Happy and jovile.. but now is a Bad word if used by a Republican.

But yes i understand ,,, As long as its a Liberal Minortiy using it . Its ok..

Hey Steve Whoa! I am straight (unless you listen to Drive By) and I have been using the term, and engaging in the act of tea-bagging for a long time.

Besides we all know Bev loves her some good tea bagging. Obviously on the recieving end.

Spanky,,,

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Steve-505729

"I understand DBO that you wish to claim it was Coined by the grass roots outfit. but it was and is a Degrogatory TERM used to Discribe . Gay men Sticking there Testicles in the Face of another man."

Heavens, Steve- we ALL know what it means. I just pointed out that it wasn't ME or anyone ELSE on the left that adopted the damned-dumb name for the group.

Also- you didn't answer my other question: what race, exactly, does the term refer to?

the name is Tea Party.. its you liberals that Continue to use the Word Teabagger.. ........ but again. thats ok. .

You make my point so well..

What race?

Trying to think if I've seen those ads, I'll watch closer. An article in the local paper here: "Evangelical group announces March caucus forum, likely to be the first in the 2012 presidential caucus campaign". They've invited Palin, Barbour, DeMint, Mitch Daniels, Gingrich, Huckabee, Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty, Mike Pence, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and John Thune--I'm sure the Bachmann invitation will be mailed soon.

What caught my eye in the article was that in the 2010 general election they mailed over 300,000 "voter guides" to churches around Iowa. I wondered why, if any of those churches posted, distributed or otherwise disseminated the "guides", their tax exempt status was not lost because that violates separation of church and state.

All churches, if not directly certainly insinuate who their members should vote for.

Jody,

Around here you can't turn on the TV without seeing one of those ads in the first hour and several if you watch for any time at all. They are all over cable.

They are very well produced and feature people from all walks of life like, "My name is Alfredo Alvarez, I work in construction and run a youth bastkeball league. blah blah blah, My name is Alfredo Alvarez and I'm a Mormon."

They've been running for months. Why? IF not to make the Church of Latter Day Saints seem more mainstream and "everyday" and why do that unless they are trying to help Mitt Romney. I can't think of any other reason unless they are so wealthy they have money to burn.

Dub, yes all churches do a certain amount of gentle pursuasion regarding political issues and even candidates, but when they spend money on public ad campaigns they cross the line and should be held accountable for their actions.

With all our budget woes I wonder how much revenue it would generate if the Church of Latter Day Saints lost their tax exempt status?

Hardly a liberal group, they report stories positive and negative about both parties. As for why they don't appear on FOX--easy, if FOX invited them, they would gladly appear trouble is FOX avoids truth tellers who use real facts not made up ones.

Are you kidding, that is not true.

All the major news reporting outlets have bias. I find it funny that no one on the left ever feels MSNBC, CNN, or any of the big three are biased, only Fox is biased. Please. The delusion that any news outlet, be it newspaper, radio, or TV, is altruistic is to lable those who would believe such as intellectually dishonest at best and fully partisan at worst. When you take away the opinion folks and look at just news, Fox is as good as anyone and better than most when it comes to fair and balanced. Unfortunately, it is not a high standard to meet.

Nope RTF, Jody is right. Fox skews the news and blatantly so. Beck and O'Reilly tell out and out lies.

It's a fact.

Media Matters identifies themselves as progressive with a very liberal backing of people. Why not just call it for what it is?

Media Matters for America (MMfA) is a progressive media watchdog group.

According to the New York Times, Media Matters initially received "more than $2 million in donations from wealthy liberals" with ties to the Democratic party (including Peter Lewis, Steve Bing, Marcy Carsey, Susie Tompkins Buell, Leo Hindrey, Gail Furman, and James Hormel) Byron York said Media Matters received an unspecified amount of funding from MoveOn.org, and the New Democrat Network

And that's why I love this board so much. Jody is here all the time posting away on topics about which she has no idea. But god bless her she just keeps on keeping on.

Jody, Bev, and the like will assert to the that Media Matters is unbiased. The fact that it self identifies as a Progressive media watchdog group, is funded by Soros is of no matter to them.

Don't hate them. They just don't know what they don't know.

" I find it funny that no one on the left ever feels MSNBC, CNN, or any of the big three are biased, only Fox is biased. Please."

Thetotas: the left doesn't claim NO bias on the part of the outlets you mention, but they DO point out that repeated lie put out by Fox that says they are 'fair and balanced'. None of the other outlets make that claim. Get it yet?

DBO-I have said repeatedly that Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman are as biased as Fox. But there is a BIG difference. They aren't posing a "news". They are clearly "Commentators" just like Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck. But Fox news masquerades as NEWS and that is supposed to be unbiased. They never are. They skew the news and do so blatantly and without apology. It's a well known fact and has been exposed many times by many different investigations.

come on Skip.. name those Investigation..

Watch the documentary "OutFoxed".

Our local Fox news channel (channel 13, this is not Fox News channel) had a "commentary" on repealing the constitutional amendment about being born here automatically becoming a citizen, after they had delivered the local news one evening. The commentary was just like what was going around on Fox via Hannity and Beck. I have never heard of that type of thing going on just prior to an election from any of the other channels. They may have mentioned it or gave news on it, but it wasn't an emotional appeal to citizens on it. Fox is sly.... like a fox. Their name suits them. And I was totally appalled as should any other citizen thinking the local news was or should be fair and unbiased.

In the middle..When has Fox's Glen Beck ever debated anyone? He won't because he knows that he can't defend his BS and propadanda. When he was slandering Soros with edited clips and personal spin, Media Matters called him out on it and then Beck slammed MM. The man is a self admitted rodeo clown, yet people eat up his garbage because they are uninformed. Chalkboard? Really? If I got slandered like Soros was, I'd donate generously to MM.

Because the military-industrial complex makes a lot of money for the people who control our country, they enjoy the windfalls of the permanent war economy.

When I was in high school, we were just getting involved in Vietnam with advisors and troops to train the South Vietnamese. I had an economics teacher who said that "war is economically feasible", his exact words. Never forgot them. Sadly, there is some truth to it.

Good question! I hope they pick it.

I'll second that, great question.

Just because someone appears on FOX and makes a statement as you claim does not mean it is entirely true. I seriously doubt that what you heard is anything except overwhelming grief of the father who is angry about the loss and looking to find fault somewhere; one cannot blame him for that. As to the father of the soldier, my sympathy to him and his family for their loss.

Pres Obama did NOT call Michael Vick, he was talking to the team owner about their green energy plan and mentioned the second chance given to Vick. Get your facts straight.

P.S. FOX is not completely truthful on all things whether you wish to believe that or not.

Retx3, you have got to be out of your mind to even intimate that fox ever even reports news!! About the only one on the network who comes close to real reporting of the news is Shep Smith. O'Rielly, Hannity and God forgive him, Glenn Beck are poor excuses for not only news readers, but have so much hatred and jealousy in their hearts for President Obama, that it is almost palable! Additionally, why would you have a grown man (Hannity) refer to the president in such petty terms as "annointed one", and refer to him as reading notes as if that is of some importance, when all other before the cameras do the same thing. O'Rielly and Hannity are true bullies who in their dialogue, ecourage those among us to commit heinious crimes (Tiller the baby killer), and Beck is just stupid, ignorant and vile, period.

Jody, is Media Matters?

Actually the letter was originally sent from Senator Cantwell's office however it was addressed to a different family and the name was another soldiers. The WH called when this was heard of to express their apologies on behalf of the POTUS. The father asked if the POTUS could call the boy's mother. The young man served 2 tours in Iraq and this was his third in Afghanistan. He was told that the POTUS could not call due to his schedule. I did not see the piece on Fox/I read about it in the paper.

As a military Mom with a daughter on her 2nd tour I could not imagine a parent looking to fault someone by saying anything to reach out in grief on a tv show as you so easily point out as being the reason for the news story. We know when our child is serving what can happen when they have been deployed. I imagine by the 3rd tour his parents knew the risks even more so. These 3 and 4 deployments are very hard on the military and their families.

RcTX3 -

I took some time to research this issue online, and while I could not find any independent confirmation of the facts, I did find a link to the initial report you mentioned on Fox:

While I join Jody in expressing my sympathy to the Collins family on the loss of their son, it should be noted that even the Fox story you mentioned indicates that the family was requesting a personal phone call from the President, not a letter. I doubt that any President - Obama, Bush, or any other President - has ever had time to personally call every fallen soldier's families, much as they might want to. I doubt that any of them have ever taken these heroes' sacrifices lightly.

By the way, this same Fox report also goes on to mention the reply they received from a White House official:

"The President honors the sacrifice of all our men and women in uniform and sends hand-signed letters to the families of those who lost their lives".

The Fox report, though, fails to follow up on whether or not the family had received such a letter, so their story is incomplete at best.

What troubles me is the speed at which I found an innacurate story like this circulating through the blogosphere. It took me less than 15 minutes to check it out. Didn't you have that much time?

Edit: carla, thanks for your comments and my thoughts are with your family - hope to see your daughter home soon safe and sound.

Add to the above - someone else mentioned having difficulty getting links to post today - apparently mine didn't either. Google "Sean Collins" and it should be easy enough to find.

Yea . .AJ.. and tell us. Why is it bad to allow that same 2 percent of the population to keep their money whcih would only add as the liberals say. 700 billion dollars to the national Debt. but its not bad to allow the other 98 percent of the Population to keep there money which would add 3.1 Trillion to the national debt..

Two can play your False Number Games.. Keeping Taxes the Same doesnt add to the national Debt... the over Spending by Congress and the Govt does...

Steve. If 3% of the population has 51% of the wealth concentration, how much do you have? No one is saying the rich should not be rich or make as much as they can--but they pay a lower actual tax rate than you do. Get it? Just a bit more fairness in the actual tax rates not the ones before deductions.

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That has to be one of the most disturbing and disappointing statements I have ever been witness too, depressing.

Jody, are you really going to try to enlighten us on marginal tax rates? What the heck are you talking about "lower actaul tax rate?" The rates are progressive. The deductions phase out. THere is a AMT.

Thank god for smart tax attorneys, right Jody?

See.. Jody.. thats your problem.. if you pay 5000 dollars in taxes and a Rich person pays 500,000 in taxes. thats just not enough for you.. I could care less about Tax Rates.. Both Democrats. AND Republicans came up with the Rates.. Just like happened in December.. it was both Democrats and Republicans that came up with where taxes should be.. But.. As usual. Democrats only think that Rich people should Foot the Bill for all the People. . When 47 percent of people pay ZERO Federal Income tax at all. As a matter of Fact. they get money back. Lets Start by making those 47 Percent pay a percentage of there money to Federal Income tax before we start raising it on others.. Simple..

the 47% who pay no federal taxes have nothing but debt to show for their efforts. Why would you tax the slaves before you raise the rates on the plantation owners?

There is my question: Is it really true that 47% of Americans don't pay any taxes? Please - tell us the answer to that? I am pretty tired of hearing that old phrase by the fair and unbiased Fox knuckle draggers.

Tamy-915834

"Will NBC or MSNBC ever even pretend to be non-partisan? It always amazes me that when I listen to a speech by any politician and then listen or read your comments on it I think you heard a totally different speech than I did. So I just though that maybe just once in awhile you might deal in the truth-not a spin on the truth. Is that possible?"

..and if so, would you drop 'The Place for POLITICS' from your title, and use, say, 'fair and balanced'- even though that could easily be viewed as a farce, too, as it is for another popular network?

Interesting Julie..the "good" portions of the bill you want to keep - and I agree, they are good-are the expensive parts of the bill. The part that will save money and help fund these benefits is the part conservatives are all up in arms over. ie, the mandate. without the mandate to buy private insurance coverage, many people will not buy into insurance and thus cost medicare (you and I the taxpayer) when a catastrophic illness sets in without ever having paid into it. Requiring people to pay into it ensures we are all fitting our own doctors bills. Taking a free ride but still getting medical care paid for by the government? That is socialism. Not what the bill calls for.

You are still going to pay regardless.....there are millions of people who cannot afford healthcare coverage or even to pay the mandate. So it's a losing situation. Might as well keep it like it is....YOU and I are going to pay any way.

The doctor fix and medicare fix will be the most of expensive parts of this bill...something the democrats pulled out of the original bill until it was scored..then secretly tried to put it back. They got caught. Oh and the part of keeping your doctor....and your insurance if you like it. That's also been proven FALSE.

But the CBO didn't mention that part....now did they? Like I said...Obamacare is a SHAM. It's too bad that you progressives can't see...that either way..YOU WILL PAY. And eventually you won't like it anymore than I do. Difference is...progressives will be the ones screaming the loudest...."How did this happen to me?" "Why are my costs skyrocketing?" All I can say....is...you've all been duped!! Enjoy it now because eventually NOTHING is FREE!!

AMEN! I tune to NBC to hear that Obama is the Messiah, then tune to FOX to hear he is the ant-christ. Finally I I tne to CNN to find out what is happening in the world.

If NBC (or any outlet) returned to journalism, it would capture the entire market.

I really do belive that MSNBC is way worse than any other media outlet as far as bias. I notice all news articles are always written and twisted to make Democrats look good and opponents as bad as possible. Probably MSNBC feels supportiing Democrats is in the best Corporate interest. THey will never report facts that make Democrats look bad.

"I guess the republicans really do believe that the total citizenry of the United States is ignorant."

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They are banking on it my friend, without that ignorance they could not carry out their agenda.