LOL

lol

Why do you want Joe Biden to be President so badly?

Get over it. President Obama is Black and born in Hawaii. Let move on already. There are other issues at hand.

KenyanBornObamaCorn--another birther speaks further proving fools who cannot think for themselves will believe whatever is told them despite undisputed evidence to the contrary. How sad.

If Michelle Bauchmann is on the Intelligence Committee and will have access to our country's secrets, then we must be at the circus anyway so, bring on the birthers and the rest of the clowns. The next time Boehner is crying on TV, just take a good look at his face and you tell me what he reminds you of.

Jennifer-2446215

"The next time Boehner is crying on TV, just take a good look at his face and you tell me what he reminds you of. "


I think I've seen this somewhere. Let me think...O.K, I got it!!!!

"I HAVE SINNED AGAINST YOU!!!!! I HAVE SINNED AGAINST YOU!!!!"

Jimmy Swaggart sobbing and blubbering to his congregation after he admitted to the fact that he slept with a prostitute circa 1988.

@Feisty RedHead.. let's make it a backwards B so we don't leave out one particular little lunatic. She was a perfect example of the nutty desperation that runs through the birthers veins. The backwards B just fits even more now. LOL

@KenyanBornObamaAcorn.. LOL thanks for the laugh.

So glad they arrested the woman. I wonder if she has made some up conspiracy story for it yet.

KBOA, Nice moniker. Any other EXTREME right wing talking points you want to fit in there. I think you left out ACLU. Now please scurry back to the FOX for the latest talking points so you can be led around by your nose.

Yes, we know some of you don't scatter when the lights go on. Some might call that brave I call it something else.

Another non-story on First Read.

Who gives a rats @ss? No wonder nothing ever gets done by the left about job creation or fixing the economy.

All the libs are too busy worrying about this pointless shlt.

The birthers are the extreme example of a large numer of fringe activists who simply deny the legitimacy of the Obama Administration. Elements of that echo in the Tea Party complains that many policies and programs of the past two years are "unconstitutional." The reading of the Constitution in the House is another example.

De-legitimizing the Obama Administration is a tool in mobilizing die-hard opposition to the President. As ridiculous as these cases are, they represent something far more serious and sinister.

As ridiculous as these cases are, they represent something far more serious and sinister

Paranoid much! It's just some more stupid shlt from a fringe group. Kind of like the leftwing nuts that think 9/11 was an "inside job."

This is much ado about nothing. What people should be concentrating on are things like getting rid of the Estate Tax (55% of a persons wealth can be confiscated by the government after they die if all of their assets are valued at a million dollars after already being taxed once as income). It doesn't take much to be worth a million dollars if somebody owns a house, a piece of property, a decent car, and some furniture. It adds up fast.

That's the kind of issue people should be thinking about. This crap is pointless. Must be a reeealy slow news day on MSNBC.

9/11 Truth is an apolitical movement. Cheney is a fascist and a mass murderer; we don't see him as a Republican.

Your lame attempt to make it political invites suspicion that you as well know that it was an inside job.

Much like Tom Delay, you think you can innoculate yourselves from investigations by chanting, "They are just trying to criminalize politics."

Your lame attempt to make it political invites suspicion that you as well know that it was an inside job

Let's see. It's "crazy" to say "I want more proof of Obama's citizenship" but it's perfectly logical to say "the U.S. Government blew up the world trade center" despite the lack of inside witnesses or forensic evidence. I knew this site had some nuts on it but WHOA! lol

Trust me dude, like the birthers, you only de-legitamize your side by clinging to such nutty claims.

By the way, do ANY of the libs on here find it just a teency bit ironic that the entire "birther" movement was started by....

wait for it.....

DEMOCRATS. Yes, that's right boys and girls, the entire birther movement was started by Hillary supporters during the 2008 presidential campaigns as an effort to smear Obama in the hopes that he would not get the nomination and Hillary would. After she lost they simply defected to Obama's camp because he's a dem. So all of the libs on here complaining about this shlt have no one but their own party to blame for it's existence.

American Politics. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. lol

Slimsignet wrote:

This is much ado about nothing. What people should be concentrating on are things like getting rid of the Estate Tax (55% of a persons wealth can be confiscated by the government after they die if all of their assets are valued at a million dollars after already being taxed once as income). It doesn't take much to be worth a million dollars if somebody owns a house, a piece of property, a decent car, and some furniture. It adds up fast.

You are wrong, Slim, on several points.

First, Estate Taxes now do not apply to any estate of less than five million dollars (one of the concessions made in the tax bill compromise recently). Second, the Estate Tax now applies to fewer than 66,000 Americans. Third, almost no one will pay ANY Estate Tax - financial planners use insurance polcies, gifts, trust funds, and other devices to eexmpt some portions of estates from taxation and have cash to pay the rest.

You deliberately skew the tone of the conversation by using "confiscated." Of course it is not "confiscated" - usually when some estate taxes are due, they are paid either from sale of some property or out of thel liquid cash in the estate. And no, TAXES HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN PAID ON THE ESTATE. The heirs of this property are receiving it as unearned income for the first time - and that's why the taxes are levied.

The United States, as with most other Western nations, recognizes that generation-by-generation constant concentration of wealth in the hands of a few creates an economic aristocracy. Since that inherited wealth is NOT EARNED by the heirs, estate taxes at least provide incentive for making proper provisions in advance. And that's why with good planning, the estate is not diminished by taxation.

If you're so concerned about justice, maybe you'd agree to "earmark" any revenues realized from estate taxes to reduce the tax rate for the middle class?

@John A..

De-legitimizing the Obama Administration is a tool in mobilizing die-hard opposition to the President. As ridiculous as these cases are, they represent something far more serious and sinister.

I totally agree but sometimes you have to laugh at some of the things they do say.

Ummmm, NO! WE ARE NOT DONE!

We have only just begun and we will not stop until the truth is OUT!

That just about did me in this morning. I really did sit here and laugh my head off. The man was born in America and they are never going to prove otherwise. Maybe it isn't polite to laugh at people who repeatedly smack their head into a wall but I just can't help it.

I don't think the birthers are the ones to seriously worry about. Yelling about a fictional birth certificate is not going to convince anyone but those who are already convinced. There are other ways of trying to de-legitimize the President and those folks who know how play off the birthers and others. They're the ones that I think that are definitely the ones to keep an eye on.

And no, TAXES HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN PAID ON THE ESTATE. The heirs of this property are recieving it as unearned income for the first time-and that's why the taxes are levied.

Sorry dude, no matter how you look at it the result is the same. If I earn money during the course of my life and it is taxed as income when I earn it and then I die and leave it to an heir it is THE SAME MONEY BEING TAXED A SECOND TIME. If I used that already-taxed money to buy property of some kind and I leave that to an heir and it is taxed the result is the same.

The governemnt has no right to MORE of my money just because I died. I'm trying to provide a better life for my children or grandchildren by saving my money and leaving it to them and no government entity needs to be involved in that for any reason.

If you don't want the government to tax it after you die, spend it into the economy before then. $5 million tax free is plenty to pass on to any progeny that is competent to live in a meritocracy.

$5 million tax free is plenty to pass on to any progeny that is competent to live in a meritocracy

Ahh more wealth envy from the left. Doesn't metter if it's 20 million. Money that's been taxed once shouldn't be taxed again. Ya know that envy thing can be very destructive on a person.

You should try to let go of it.

No envy involved. Your junior high school psychoanalysis is lame. Stop embarrassing yourself, if that's possible for you. You ignored the advice to spend it, if you don't want it taxed. We call it currency for a reason; it is meant to flow like current through the economy.

If I give $15,000 to my daughter, she has to pay income tax on a portion of it. What's the difference, other than I'm not rich?

Signet, you are still wrong about double taxation.

The estate passing to heirs is new "income" to them without any offsetting cost of earnings. Frequently inherent in the estate is accumulated excess value on which no taxes have been paid - appreciation in tangible property value, dividends and interest earnings that have been offset by tax deductions, and so forth. Regardless, the inheritor has done nothing that deserves exemption from taxation.

Excuse me for just a moment Paul. Current used as a noun would be, "like a current". Iron sharpens iron bro.

@trm2008 - You are incorrect. You have the right to gift your daughter up to $11,000 annually, and your spouse could also gift he up to $11,000. Combined $22,000. If you exceed those limits, you would be subject to the gift tax (you, not her) on the moneys given.

John A. - Your comments are spot on. The inheritance tax was designed to recover appreciated taxation value.

History will not look well upon this time when the Republican Party and Conservative Movement mainstreamed crazy.

John

So you honestly think this incident will be the historical footnote and not the fact that the Constitution was read aloud in the House.

I think not.

This woman should be punished, for disrupting the House no matter what the disruption was about.

I think the whole birth certificate thing is crazy and wish it would simply go away. Speaker Boehner said it right to Brian Williams, (I paraphrase) "The President says he was born in Hawaii and that is good enough for me". It should be good enough for the rest of the country too unless someone has proof to show and they do not or it would have been shown way earlier then now.

The state you were born in says where you were born. Obama doesn't have a clue, nor do you, of where you were born. You accept what you are told. For the baby, where you were born is an article of faith, backed up by documentation. Obama has presented as much documentation as any one of us could hope to produce on our own. Boehner is a douchebag.

To Paul & the rest of you FOOLS have you never learned to read!!! He has shown his birth certificate from Hawaii at least three times!!!!! IDIOTS

Julie, try reading comments all the way through. I am on Obama's side in this.

Wealthy Conservatives and the GOP National BRAIN TRUST, if there is such a thing, some years ago

chose to augment their national cacophony level by deeply funding and guiding THE CRAZIES, including

BIRTHERS, TENTHERS, AND A HOST OF OTHER RADICAL FRINGIES.

And now the unleashed FRINGIES are coming home to knaw on the leg of THEIR MASTERS.

The GOP will die from hemorrhage of a thousand bites to the ankle over the next two years....

GO FOX NEWS....Glenn Beck and the FAT MAN FROM FLORIDA!!! Great Work.

Paul, were you born in a state of severe anger? Papers please...............

LOL. That was pretty good.

Damn! Paul you are human! We are going to ruin our reputations. We better go back to being A-holes before someone accuses us of defecting.

Boehnor should show leadership by stopping this behavio.

These people are whacked out racists who can't stand the thought of a Black Man in the Oval Office.

I see that Theresa Cao made a promise to take Terry Lakin's message to the White House and Congress from WND. World Net Daily is one of the most racist blogs on the internet.

These people have a cancer that is eating them away. That cancer is because of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Jan Brewer, Michelle Malkin , Ann Coulter, Micheal Savage, Dinesh D’Souza, Newt Gingrich, Haley Barbour, Tucker Carlson, and the racist Fox News mis-information unrepentant bigot, Sean Hannity.

As well as these African Americans: Clarence Thomas, Jesse Lee Petersen, Erick Rush, Armstrong Williams, Rep Allen West in Florida and all those who blog on WND and Human events.

The list is longer but I think you'll get the picture.

Fox Attacks: Black America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY04gIruZ4E&feature=channel

Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson Thanks God and America for Slavery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jfKHmMv-Q&feature=related

Sean Hannity, Fox News and all the others, black and white, who spew this type of racism give the bigots in the birther and tea bagger movements all the reason to be even crazier loons.

iheardthisbefore, nice work on 3.6. The Republican Party has mobilized and amplified the forces of people who should be watching from the margins, without sufficient power to get much attention for their crazy agendas. THAT is why our political process is so far off the rails. THAT is why the GOP will be unable to act as an effective force on behalf of the people for the next two years. Even reasonable Conservatism is hamstrung by this debt owed to the tinfoil hat crowd.

The 13th amendment to the Constitution addresses the situation that you listed. The Constitution is not just the original writings but the amendments as well.

This Constitution is not perfect, no document written by man is, it does however allow for corrections.

That point could have been emphasized today had the Teapublicans read THE COMPLETE Constitution. Instead, they skipped over some of the nasty business like Article 1, Section 2 and how slaves are "three fifths of a person".

Da Noid is correct. The Republicans edited the Constitution before they had it read from the House Floor. They said they had the whole Constitution read from the House Floor, but they omitted the sections that were revised by future Amendments. And thank God the "three fifths compromise" was Amended.

But if they are committed to reading the Constitution, they should read the whole thing, not just the parts they like, or should I say, the parts that don't make for bad publicity.

By omitting whole sections of the Constitution, they rendered this whole exercise a sham.

They clearly need a do-over. Or a brain.

They did not read out the entire Constitution. If parts were later superseded...they were not read.

Which is not very instructive. We need to see that the Constitution was never "perfect" and amendments from time to time need to be added to make the Constitution more relevant to the modern era.

Never mind................I was going to say they agreed to skip that part, but somebody already answered.

You people need a refresher course in history. For a short course on the 3/5 clause, check out THIS video. No doubt they agreed to leave it out is because so many people don't understand the background or the anti-slavery effect of that clause.

Reading already-amended sections of the Constitution would have been pointless. Would have been like reading aloud laws about Prohibition despite the fact that it has been repealed.

Pointless and you know it.

The whole excercise was pointless. You can't claim to have read the whole thing, for the first time, Boehner left the room directly after his reading, almost no one bothered to sit through the whole thing and they botched the reading to boot.

Gotta love the ever changing view on the left- yesterday the whole exercise was a stupid waste of money, today they should have read the whole things, not left out parts that are no longer applied, pick one. Hate me all you want but at least my opinion remains consistent...

It was a waste of time for both reasons, one does not exclude the other.

Suzy, it was a total waste of time to read it, but if they were going to read it, they should have read the entire document as they said they would do. This in no way, shape or form changes my opinion that it was a waste of time to read it, it just goes to prove that the this was just grandstanding...

And I don't think it's EVER a waste of time to read our founding documents, especially not by the representatives elected to uphold them.

Reading already-amended sections of the Constitution would have been pointless. Would have been like reading aloud laws about Prohibition despite the fact that it has been repealed.

On the contrary, it makes the point that the Constitution has, over time required tweaking to deal with changing times and sensibilities. In short, the Constitution IS a living, breathing document. That conflicts with the Conservative narrative, therefore they edited the document to fit their preferred agenda.

slimsignet

Reading already-amended sections of the Constitution would have been pointless. Would have been like reading aloud laws about Prohibition despite the fact that it has been repealed.

And yet THEY DID READ the amendment about repealing Prohibition! Why was that necessary if there wasn't a prohibition amendment in the first place?

There are other issues with reading parts of the Constitution but they're probably too arcane for this forum

I AM pleased that they did read all 11 amendments that the first Congress sent to the states as a Bill of Rights and were adopted by the states.

Perhaps she planned ahead and put in her application six months ago.

Nope. Timing was to perfect for the moment and the comment. Now I guess this is the point in the post where I start laughing. Ha Ha Ha. Paul you truly are a peach.

he gets better Jimmy... I think he's BFF's with Snookie...check out the posts later... lol

Is Paul the birther screamer's evil twin, shunned by his republican parents for his disfigurement at birth, locked in a closet only to scratch his way to daylight, vowing to make every conservative pay for the abuse he suffered at his parent's hands?! How could they choose this birther screamer over him, inspite of the abomination his flesh was?! newfie you were right!

Too perfect. Not " to perfect" . She's got her issues, obviously, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't plan out her lunacy. Birthers are only tangentially interested in the "truth".

TRUTHERS have no interest other than being provided with an investigation which is empowered to uncover the truth. So far, that hasn't happened. Without subpoena power, there is no investigative power.

Now there is the a-hole I've come to know and love! Grammatically correct as well! Paul, if you don't mind, could you please proofread this? I'm anxious to see how I did! My content is right on, I am referring to the grammatical portion of the text.

Or should I have said, grammatical attributes of the text? I am sure tomorrow will bring the answer. From one ass to another, good night!

My husband and I were in D.C. during the final days of the HCR debate and we specifically did NOT want to visit the gallery of either chamber because we KNEW biting our tongues wouldn't be possible and we'd agreed going in that avoiding contact with the Secret Service or Capitol Police was a major goal of our trip. Yes, I say this somewhat tongue in cheek- there is a time and a place for exercising your right to free speech and this hardly seems the galley hardly seems the appropriate forum.

If you hold nothing sacred, you hold....nothing. Good post suzy.

Yes his mother was white - SO WHAT!! He is a citizen of the U.S. and has provided us with more than enough proof. Period.

What proof would that be, Kathy?

A forged COLB that doesn't prove anything even if it was 100% legitimate? What don't you understand about the fact that relatives were allowed to give verbal testimony re. the birth of a child to Hawaiian officials at that time?

A couple of newspaper articles? How do we know that grandma didn't falsify the birth certificate and then plant stories in the local papers to bolster her lies?

There is NO proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. Not that it matters anyway.

The stupidity of people like prsmith AMAZES me! Prsmith would have us believe that the relatives, hospital, and government officials in the 60's somehow knew that this newborn baby would be President, and set about a fraud to make people believe that he was born in the United States WHEN HE WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES! Eludicate please...how do you fake a newspaper notice in the 60's? The birth certificate is on-line, and those of you who engage in this level of delusional thinking ought to head your nearest mental health facility for an evaluation and treatment.

prsmith wrote: "A forged COLB that doesn't prove anything even if it was 100% legitimate?"

Which is it? Forged or legitimate?

Never mind, prsmith just said that even if it was legitimate (which it is, btw) you would not accept it. A fine example of, "Don't bother me with facts, my mind is made up."

FDD

9/11 Truth is not a political movement. We don't believe that Cheney was a Republican, we believe that he is a neo-con fascist, and a mass murderer. There is no statute of limitations on murder. Until there has been a subpoena empowered security clearanced investigation, we will fault the system and those who oppose what the Constitution demands; transparent justice. Eric Holder I'm talking to you too.

dude, if u really are serious.... just go get some buddies and a couple of microwaves... and a portable generator and sneak up behind the curtain next time he gives a speech somewhere.....that oughta get that old pacemaker of his going.......Eric called me and told me to respond as he was busy suing Arizona over some consitutional thing a ma jig.......nutball!!!!

Yes. Transparent justice and thorough oversight and investigation is a demonstrably "Nutball !!!" kind of concept. Why are you afraid of what you believe to be the truth, being documented as such?

If you had any faith in what you have chosen to believe, you would welcome confirmation.

Oh, yellowcake from NIGER, please. The difference there would be that Bush did lie.

And Nancy would have earned her arrest for disrupting congress, do not pass go. B!tch.

I appreciate that jeff. It really did piss me off. When you go to Arlington and look at those rows of crosses, you don't see any red or blue ones. It is humbling.

I'm a moderate, and thus a wacko in the eyes of the left AND the right. That said, the words you wrote about the crosses in Arlington should have also been read before Congress, Jimmy.

Liar. She married Lolo Soetoro after her "divorce" from Obama, Sr. who then took his new family to Indonesia. That is clearly documented (for a change)

So what if his mother married another man after his birth and left the country. Can you please get off this stupid birther crap. This lie is being perpertrated by ignorant fools who are mean spirited, racists and cannot accept that the majority of the people, who are not mentally limited as they are, could have actually voted for a half black man for our President. Get over it and come into the 21st century.

Your opinion is noted, Jennifer, but hardly relevant. We have a usurper in the Oval Office. We're in a constitutional crisis. Don't you care?

Don't you care that Michelle Bachmann is insane and has been put on the Intellegence Committee? That is a fact that most people are aware of. President Obama's certificate of birth is a doubt only in the minds of those who want to change an election because they cannot accept it. He may be elected again and you have no proof that he is not a citizen. Can you prove you are a citizen? I tried to get a copy of my bith certificate years ago but the County of LA lost the record in a fire. They don't actually have it but they accepted other documentaion and gave me the document I needed to get my passport. The real crisis in this country is a lack of good governance by our leaders. Many have been bought by the special intersts and do not give a damn about the welfare of our contry or our children's future.

That'sright, she always took a plane.

prsmith, your 'Don't you care?' question is moot as to answer that question, we would have to accept your premise that President Obama is not a natural born citizen . . . most of the US population does not accept your premise and the actual documentation (which is not forged or faked) proves that he is a natural born citizen.

Face it, you are wrong. President Obama is a natural born citizen no mattter what you believe. Move on and quit wasting your, and everyone else's time with this stupidity.

She did leave America (see above) but it's irrelevant. Obummer is not eligible to be the POTUS because his father was a Kenyan national and a British subject said subjectivity falling automatically on the children per British law of the time.

A.) Obama, Jr. was a British subject at birth.

B.) Obama was not a 'natural born citizen' because daddy was not a U.S. citizen.

Obama was born in the United States, moron, which makes him a citizen. By the way...how do I know that YOU are a citizen?

Couldn't agree more. The question is, "Who are the haters?" Since the left refuses to see the simple truth in front of their faces, I guess it must be them.

George Bush and DICK Cheney basically ruined the world. Now people are mad a Obama for trying to save the world?

lol. "Save the world."

Give me a fcking break.

The only way you are going to get a break from that truth is to leave the political sphere behind.

I hate to break it to you dude, but NO politician is trying to do anything except stay in power as long as possible and make as much money as possible while they're there.

If you think their intentions are any loftier than that you need medication.

Exactly, the Halfrican.

There's no such thing as a conspiracy, prsmith. Don't you know that by now. There is no way to keep anything secret anymore.

Terrorist? That's a pretty slippery slope you want us all to climb aboard. Let us not diminish the distinction between non-violent political protest and terrorism.