Feisty

Trying to keep these tea baggers in line will be comparable to arm wrestling snakes...

Is it a possibility she is a Darell Issa plant?

I have to say it these people are racists who can't stand the Brown Man in the Oval Office.

I see that she made a promise to take to WND, one of the most racist blogs on the internet.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=240825

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=247753

These people have a cancer that is eating them away. I don't understand how they can live with that much hate. Life is too short.

Thanks Boner for saying something sane for once! Was your New Years resolution to quit being such a d-bag? Keep to it! You can do it!

wnd will have 5 foot high text on their site by now proclaiming the patriotism of the heckler and the evil corruption of boehner for being part of the communist-muslim conspiracy. i used to love trolling wnd, their paranoia and inability to see their own bigotry is hilarious. call them racist and they'll go on about how much like love guys like erik rush, which is a black columnist on wnd that regularly apologizes for his brothers getting too uppity...

It is your job to stamp out idiocy, Speaker Boehner. You are now the leader of the Republican party.

Boehner: Brian, when you come to the Congress of the United States, there are 435 of us. We're nothing more than a slice of America. People come, regardless of party labels, they come with all kinds of beliefs and ideas. Uh it's, it's the melting pot of America. It's not up to me to tell them what to think.

Let's dissect this drivel.

First Boohoo Boehner says members of congress are basically no more qualified than the average Joe, as in Joe the Unlicensed Plumber. We need written minimum requirements in a job description for these politicians. A test might be a good idea too.

And since it is the conservatives who chant about "excellence" and "producing" they should be all for this idea. Because if all the rest of us lowly citizens have such a high bar set for us, it would seem we should expect more from our leaders.

Second, Boehner says it's not his job (as leader) to tell his Party members what to think. This man couldn't go one full day without BS coming out of his mouth. We all know the Republicans keep their members lock-in-step with purity tests, punishments, rewards -- heck even SNL's skit making fun of Joe Wilson was about this.

And speaking of Joe Wilson and Birthers---at least 15 in congress (appalling), this conspiracy theory needs to be ended once and for all, and I hold leaders in the GOP responsible more than anyone else. I can't say the name for them without having my post collapsed.

In his statement, Boehner comes off as a weak, a limp-wristed, "leader."

He can SO tell them what to think - he's The Speaker of the House!. And he can ALSO tell them that it is NOT acceptable to make things up UNLESS they can produce PROOF! Most of them are LAWYERS and should know BETTER than that!!

Speaker Boehner knows he has nutballs in his corner but fears loss of political support if he tells them the truth. Sounds like he'll be influenced a lot by the Tea Party folks........he showed fear in this interview, and others will realize he can be easily pressured. Reagan he's not.

This is the house, relax. It's supposed to be full of ignorant commoners. The senate is supposed to have the educated elitists. Just like the House of Lords and House of Commons in England.

The House is basically a large collection of feral cats fighting over the kitty litter. Ever try herding cats?

Oh and I can't blame boehner either, I mean you can't tell someone what to think until they figure out how to think!

Steve: You lose all credibility by resorting to mysogeny. (ok, that's assuming you ever had any).

Listening to the interview, it doesn't sound like Boehner is interested in keeping them quiet. So again, more fodder for Comedy Central. Thank you Speaker Boehner. Obama 2012.

Maybe the president could grant himself citizenship and end the speculation once and for all. I find all this blather a big waste of time. If there were evidence to the contrary the Republicans would be all over it by now.

Look. President Obama IS an American despite efforts of republican congressman that try to obstruct the truth. If they don't buy the legitimacy and authenticity of the presidents birth certificate that's their deal. Are they racists ? No. It's pure politics.

If John Boehner continues to tan, people might begin questioning his heritage! Anyone, who truly believes the Republicans, would allow President Obama, to be a non-American and run for president is an idiot. Both parties know every detail, of their opponents history. Of course, there are those who believe in Santa. Oh right, they are children.

Boehner can't be held responsible for how his caucus 'thinks'; only on how they VOTE! Or at least that's what he's probably promised his Corporate Lords,...

Artsyfart,

Right church, wrong pew. The Village Idiot already went back to his village in Texas!

Against all Historical Data.. the liberals still Try and Sell Man made Global Warming.

Second day and the "BONER" stands up for his cronies! Boo Hoo!

You all should be giving credit where credit is due. The point of the article is that the new speaker of the house basically said to his constituents and public to give the whole Obama is not a US Citizen thing a rest and move on. I give credit and positive coodos for him to say so. And was honestly surprised he did.

Quite frankly, I don't care if Obama is an alien from Jupiter, if he is the right man for the job/best we have to offer and lead us at this time I'm the first to stand behind him. And although I disagree with his policies and agenda often, I support him 100% and believe that the Obama/Biden ticket is still better today as it was in 2008 vs. the McCain/Palin ticket.

Fiesty redhead - it saddens me that you think you can pass judgement on "keeping in line" those American citizens with different political beliefs than yourself?! A lot of dictators and socialist governments feel the sameway that you do - they prefer to keep their citizens in line and under their thumb. Maybe that's not how you meant it - but that's the way I interpret it. If someone disagrees with you they need to be kept in line... I'm happy to know that you're not in charge of anything important and that you don't hold a high government office in this great country of ours...

Unbelievable. The first two posts (Feisty and the Beverly babes) certainly are living up to their Liberal standards and rhetoric (racists, hate....). Seems they both need to get a LIFE.

Are these two are getting preemptive notification when articles are to be published and the first "responders", and I wonder from whom. It couldn't be the White House media staff....now could it ?? I wonder how far up they are up on the Chicago Liberal food chain.

Geeeesh, this is really going to be fun watching their posts for the next two years. Maybe they will "cloak" after Mr. Obama high tails it back to Chicago with all his friends after his loss in 2012.

L8RG8R,

I respect your position and the right to have it. I understand where it comes from and that you deserve to have that perspective. And the same for someone with the exact opposite perspective. I just wish we all could put and end to the BS and start working together.

Enjoy the evening all!

jacaf19 ....."It is your job to stamp out idiocy, Speaker Boehner. You are now the leader of the Republican party."

Hmmmm, I wonder why this wasn't said by Liberals when Mrs. Queen of the Hill was in charge of the Democrats running amuck. Oh, she failed to clean the swamp.

This should be interesting, the republican party is going to now be forced to come back to reality. Instead of all of thier efforts being spent trying to prove that Obama is a Socialist, Muslim, illegal immigrant who hates America and want to kill us all with his healthcare death-panels, they ar going to have to deal with the reality of running the country instead of making things up. From here on out BS walks and results talk.

One interesting side note, the second person just died here in AZ because of a lack of healthcare covereage when they needed and organ transplant. Gov. Jane Brewer (rep) was very opposed to Obamacare, but her running of the states financial structure has resulting in two ACTUAL deaths so far. Hmmm, death-panels....

ldo - you may not be far off as you can request that an email alert be sent. Pretty sure that FR posting is their only life! They are quite sociable to other FR liberal posters, not so sociable to others with differing viewpoints thou.

Fiesty does like supporting the Bears though. At least she has one redeeming quality.

Strange? I don't remember Nancy Pelosi being asked about the nut-case Democrats in the last Congress. But of course, Williams wouldn't want to make the Democratic Caucus look like a bunch of nut cases, since he shares their philosophy.

Too bad the era of non-partisan media reporting is over.

Strange? I don't remember Nancy Pelosi being asked about the nut-case Democrats in the last Congress

I hear you... Who will ever forget Joe YOU LIE Wilson?

Wait... isn't he a Repubican? lol

Fiesty, I do believe that if you had a heart attack and had to have that chest cracked open, the attending surgeon would tell you everything is going to be fine. You would then look at him through those rapidly blurring eyes and weakly mutter, "Are you a conservative?" If the surgeon replied, "Yes, I am. why do you ask?" You would respond with all the feeble strength you could muster, Get me a damn lib surgeon!" You would waste your 10 minute medical survival window on politics.

"So, let me get this straight- according to Williams, it is Boehner's flout that there was a nut in the gallery?"

I missed it. Did Williams REALLY say that? Wow.

I missed this, too, somewhere along the line: "It is Boehner's fault that there are members who are introducing a requirement that presidential candidates provide proof of eligibility..." Can yo please direct me to the source, so I can educate myself?

So is it his "flout" or his "fault"? Or maybe both? :)

"Boehner: Brian, when you come to the Congress of the United States, there are 435 of us. We're nothing more than a slice of America. People come, regardless of party labels, they come with all kinds of beliefs and ideas. Uh it's, it's the melting pot of America. It's not up to me to tell them what to think."

But you'll have no problem at all telling them how to vote, will you, Mr. Speaker?

What's a flout?

He's the Speaker of the House, the highest-ranking Republican in the government. He sets the tone.

He can say he doesn't personally believe what the birthers are peddling, but unless he starts riding herd on the people in his own party about it he's just blowing a lot of hot air.

A flout is my little gizmo's substitution for a typo in fault.

I will get the hang of this thing, eventually, but, for now, sometimes it has a mind of its own. For example, I have to go back an correct it every single time I type 'it' with an s. It ALWAYS adds an apostrophe.

Darn you, gizmo . . .

I notice that nobody took on the second part of my post.

T M I !!!

no no bo

always knew that Brian Williams was a tool of the democratic party, but does he really have to beat people over the head with it?

Just what exactly do you think you are? I' haven't read a post of yours since the 2008 campaign where you were not extolling the virtues of the right.

You are a tool.

His birth has been verified from his birth certificate right down to the birth announcements in the local newspapers. These crazies could have witnessed President Obama's birth (in Hawaii) and they would still deny his eligibility. The facts don't don't matter to people. It's just their way of saying that they do not accept a black person as their leader. I know because, sadly enough, I have family members who think this way.

A flout is a cross between a flounder and a trout. hope this clears it up lol

When referring to his "gizmo", I think he's talking about an electronic hand held device, like a Blackberry. And was not referring to his genitalia! Get your mind out of the gutter Feisty Redhead, LOL!

Bev, Please go back to your safe zone - Fox Noise. Clouded people like yourself have no place n reality.

Wizard-1017723 - Thanks for the clarification! Do you know if they're implanting human brains yet in those little hybrid fishies, or should I ask Christine O'Donnell that one? :)

DevAvo -- He's a SHE! lol

We've all heard enough about her I-Pad to last us a lifetime...

I had beans for dinner and I flouted.

And you're just a tool.

Oh wait, Brian Williams is NOT supposed to ask for the speaker's reaction to this? Why exactly. To avoid any embarrassing question? You do drink the kool-aide.

LOL

Willaims said no such thing, implied no such thing. He asked for Boehners stance, Behenr gave it...He says Obama is an American Citizen, He then asked if he would say the samer thing to the nuttier elements in his party. Williams did not ask him to tell them waht to think, but that he (Boehner) thnks they are wrong. Boener evaded that.

You're missing the point of the question.. He's the Majority Leader now. Will he turn to his party advise them to tone down the rhetoric, since no one else (in the past two years) has.

Well I guess there are sane GOP members that are not nut jobs, if the head of the Hawaii Health department said she personally viewed the documents and they even showed the news paper clippings, the only other thing is they would have to have been there, what a bunch of fruit cakes ...

Shows how Liberals flout their stupidity!

No idea what I did to get collapsed by the community. Maybe asking a Republican to look in the mirror is going too far. So I repeat: It is your job to stamp out idiocy, Speaker Boehner. You are the leader of the Republican Party.

No, it isn't about it being John's "fault", but about the 12 members of Congress, who he is in charge of....having a Bill questioning Obama's citizenship, and "right" to be PResident.....and if John is going to allow these elected nutjobs to take up the valuable time of the House with their nonsense! DUH! And I think John answered Brians' question very well actually....Hawaii says he was born there...there for he IS an American citizen...and John isn't going to get down in the sandbox with these people to have a kitty poo fight over their wasting House time, and making John's life a little more difficult!

A flout is nothing you can eat, F Redhead... Go back to your hate now, lover

This liberal attempt to stereotype every conservative as a "birther" or something extreme is an absolute insult to the collective intellect of the nation. Let's call the left wing / wingnut media exactly what it is:

Corrupt, lecherous, perverse, prejudicial and ouright whorish!

no-no, I didnt read it as Brian Williams stating it was Boehners FAULT that this guy said something. Rather, I think what Brian Williams was asking is if Boehner believes its his job to smack the crazy out of these people, now that he's the Speaker of the House. There's a reason for the role, and it in essence to LEAD his party and the entire chamber.

Its hard to know that because lately, we have a bunch of politicians on both sides who believe they were elected to do nothing, get paid for it, and then after their civil duty is done - they'll get a sweet job for whatever lobbyist they best represented. Republicans - in both the house and senate did absolutely NOTHING the last 2 years, aside from Olympia Snow and Susan Collins...and perhaps one or two others.

And now, they're mission is to do more of nothing by addressing Health Care Repeal...which they know will not succeed, because it requires the Senate to approve it - which is still democratic leaning, and even if it passed the senate, Obama would have to sign it...and if Obama signed it, he could kiss relection in 2012 goodbye, so you can guarantee this is going nowhere.

Its Theatre...nothing more, nothing less.

But ya know, the voters said JOBS when they voted in Nov...and if republicans dont bother to address jobs, or wait until a few months before the next election, im betting Obama gets relected.

As for Brian Williams being a democrat...im betting he is. But unlike Fox News, he doesnt pass his opinions along as facts...thats what real journalist do, even if you can sense the partisanship in their reporting...with Fox News, all you get is personal commentary, extremely low on facts...and they bring on a lot of "guests" who spew misinformation to keep their watchers dumb and angry.

thats how these birther nuts got elected...i mean, this douche who begged jesus to help him...would be the first to tell Jesus "you're a fraud" and even after demanding he do some trick to prove it, he'd claim he was related to Criss Angel or David Blaine and this was all some elaborate hoax by those evil liberals. You cant fix stupid, you really really cant.

"I notice that nobody took on the second part of my post"

Take it easy man, you said a lot of dumb and nonfactual things in there, having to sort them all out.

no jo

I'll add your name to the list of righties that seem to need a brain transplant. It could be a while though since there are so many of you.

What more proof is needed? This dumb debate should have ended in '08 before he was even elected. When they showed the actual certificate, the crazies say its a fake and they want to see the "real" birth certificate. What they mean is, the '08 election is only legitimate if McCain wins. This is beyond crazy now, this is madness and obsession. The birthers want the truth, just not the facts!

Spotts1701: It is not John B. job to "ride herd" on the house. His job is to bring about the bills that are worthy of votes. Those that have the backing of the majority of the members.

There are thousands of bills introduced every year that do not see the "light of day" from their respective committees let alone a vote by the whole house. It there is only 12 people that wrote this bill, unless the committee felt it had merit and enough backers to pass it, it wouldn't come out of committee.

Flout To show contempt for; scorn: flout a law; behavior that flouted convention. To be scornful.

A contemptuous action or remark; an insult.

I see the "political anylists " on this blog are flexing their muscles by collapsing comments. What happened to free speech or is that in YOUR constitution? I don't get how people read between the lines and come up with some of the stupidist comments. You all need a life.

@ Rick,KY: If you can't even spell AMERICA don't get on here and act like you know what your talking about. It's ignorant racists like yourself who represent this whole Birther Movement. Absolutely ridiculous. Also, I'm sure you were one of the people who got up in arms about Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. (Obama's former pastor at the Trinity United Church of Christ) comments. So "splain" to me how you can call him a Muslim?

How about you learn how to read and write, then do a little research, then you can tell us all what you've "lerned!"

What the FFF BLeep bleep blah blahblahblah

It seems as though you are no better at spellchecking than you are at fact checking. I just love you wing-nuts. You are so generous with your examples of just how ignorant you all are. Thanks for all the ammo!

I think that Bohner got it right - he is satisfied of the President's citizenship, and he is not going to speak for others in his party who choose to embarrass themselves.

Where Nancy likely would have had a closed door meeting and threatened whoever dared speak their mind (however addled).

Frankly I am really surprised at how many liberals suddenly want to silence dissent. This is one of the core attributes that make our society both free and interesting.

Why would anyone fear some dimwit and his/her momentary outburst? Doesn't it just confirm your belief that some of these righties are loons?

I find it disgusting how two-faced some liberals are - they support taxpayer funded "Christ Piss" "hate-art" displays while demanding crosses be removed from memorials, while fighting for the freedom to carry "Kill Bush" signs at the same time they want to silence some dimwit congressman.

You libbies are a hoot.

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Courtesy of the Collapse Cowards:

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Only took 48 hours and already the Crazy Trainleaves 'Beckistan' station...

All ABOARD the Insanity Choo-Choo!

Trying to keep these tea baggers in line will be comparable to arm wrestling snakes...

You're a tool.

Gosh..........did they not teach you all in school when you were kids? I learned this at a young age. Flout is a word that means to taunt someone with disdain against the acceptable. Look it up. Sigh..............

x

Step aside, everyone. The Bobsey twins of Chicago, Feisty and Beverly, have spoken. Why don't we just re-name ourselves the United States of Chicago? The only ones missing from the top echelons of the WH are Al Capone and Mrs. O'Leary's cow.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL Comment collapsed by the community

Speaking of Collapse Cowards – here's a little exchange from just yesterday on how the cowardly Constitutional Conservatives operate:

Everyone, if you want to annoy Feisty and possibly drive her to kill herself,let's just collapse all of her posts from here on out.

Kevin-500221

I say we should all start collapsing Feisty every time she posts if she is going to collapse others.

Ellie Mae Clampett

If you two would tell me how to collapse comments, I would be more than happy to provide my support

Kevin-500221

Ellie

For the record for the 100th time - I DO NOT COLLAPSE POSTS! Unless it is advertising!

GOT IT?

ZDub

You've been duped,...RickKY is being sarcastic,...You Betcha!

Frankly I am really surprised at how many liberals suddenly want to silence dissent. This is one of the core attributes that make our society both free and interesting.

At what point is it dissent, and at what point is it wasting my tax money on nonsense? Boener has it right. The State of Hawaii has a Republican Governor, and HE is satisfied. I trust that Republican Governor.

I do NOT trust Tea Party Death Panelists.

This 'flout' business is some pretty funny stuff this afternoon! I'm laughing my ass off. BUT, I would be the last to jab someone over a typo- God knows I make enough of 'em for all of us.

(BTW, I STILL didn't get the direction to the source of NoJo's statements way up above, though....)

ZDUB, I'm a Democrat from the Heart of Rural Kentucky.

So learn sarcasm, willya?

To all of you illiterate, uneducated buffoons:

Flout:

–verb (used with object)
1.
to treat with disdain, scorn, or contempt; scoff at; mock: to flout the rules of propriety.

–verb (used without object)
2.
to show disdain, scorn, or contempt; scoff, mock, or gibe (often fol. by at ).

–noun
3.
a disdainful, scornful, or contemptuous remark or act; insult; gibe.

Origin:
1350–1400; ME flouten to play the flute; cf. D fluiten to play the flute, jeer

—Related forms
flouter, noun
flout·ing·ly, adverb
un·flout·ed, adjective

What did No Jo do, collapse herself, so the rest of the well-earned ridicule would disappear??

Feisty... Well aren't you the self-righteous one... easily saddened? If you're so disheartened by collapses the don't post childish garbage such as:

"All ABOARD the Insanity Choo-Choo!

Trying to keep these tea baggers in line will be comparable to arm wrestling snakes..."

Speaking of childish... do you have a job?! Just curious. You seem to spend your entire days here. K now back to work!

What did No Jo do, collapse herself, so the rest of the well-earned ridicule would disappear??

I'm not sure DBO... maybe her little 'gizmo' shorted out again ;o)

Feisty:

I am a Democrat and primarilyLiberal. I would like to apologize for anyone, who would suggest "suicide." I am relatively new to these posts but that is all they are, posts. Some get emotional and forget, there is no way of knowing, who they are talking with, on-line. Most likely, if we were talking face to face, we would be civil and polite. The anonymity of writing on-line, makes the weak, bold and the shy, out spoken. Too bad, our civilization has forgotten how to be civilized.

It should be pointed out that such harassment as they suggest doing is considered criminally prosecutable these days, especially with intent to "drive her to kill herself". Believe it or not, you are responsible for what you do and say online. Try to remember we are all living human beings here, whether or not we all agree on things.

Thanks to both of you Take that back & Open Eyes!

Is there any wonder we have an 'epidemic' of bullying in this country... look who the parents are!

Truly sad commentary... *shakes head*

HAHA REALLY?!

"Is there any wonder we have an 'epidemic' of bullying in this country... look who the parents are!

Truly sad commentary... *shakes head*"

Says the poster whom also posted:

"Trying to keep these tea baggers in line will be comparable to arm wrestling snakes..."

Stay classy Feisty... the hypocrisy is truly amazing

Fiesty being called out for a lack of accountability? Nicely done. She will feel real bad for about a second, throw back another shot of Jack and get right back at it. She is so far left, she is on the right side of right.

"The Weeper of the House"!! Very good!!!! Hahahaha

What's a little PMS among friends.

You must have been born without a HEART!! You should be ashamed of yourself. We need more people like Mr. Boehner, who is not afraid to show emotion. Nobama sits in our White House, filling it up with cigarette smoke & laughing at all us poor people, while he spends more money than he knows how to spell.

Sherry were you one of those who attakced Hillary for crying a bit? Do you ever say "man up" Hope not (I assume you do not or you would be just another hypocrite!)

Sherry: The problem is his emotion is only all about him. He could care less and feels nothing for others.

IOKIYAR at work, folks...

Boehner cries - it's good because he's showing emotion.

Pelosi cries - she's weak and too emotional for the job.

Recent reports have it that Obama has quit smoking. Can Boehner man up and do the same? Also, anyone of us "poor people" who supports the Republican Party, and their clearly-stated goals to shovel more money to the rich, is out of touch with reality.

Is it OK that your hero Obama calls the GOP the Enemy? Tells us to get in the back of the bus? The hate from MSNBC? You are amazing!

Well you might as well call him a gimp or something if he was in a wheelchair! Obviously, this is a condition that affects many more people privately. You're a bigot.

Sherry: Last I checked, President Obama is the one fighting to get us "poor people" tax breaks and unemployment, instead of tax breaks for the filthy rich. I think you're confusing this White House with the prior one and/or the Republicans in Congress who always seem to put up a huge fight for their wealthy brethren while they call the middle class and unemployed "lazy" and "spoiled". If the Weeper of the House had that heart you speak of, he'd be trying to figure out how to bring JOBS back to the U.S., instead of how to give an extra few $100,000 to those who DON'T need it.

Sherry says - Obama sits in his office laughing at poor people while he spends the money blah blah ....

I just don't have words to describe my utter contempt for republican tools such us these.

Let's see - Obama spent the money on what exactly ? On a nationwide stimulus. Providing a safety net for the poor people. He spent the money to build our decaying infrastructure. He spent it on building high speed urban rail transportation system. He spent it on schools bridges roads electricity. Republicans cried that it is full of pork. Yet earmarks comprised only 1 % of the entire stimulus spending.

On the other hand, republicans blocked the bill to increase unemployment check payments for the poor people. They pushed and got an extension on UNFUNDED tax cut for the very rich (those making over a quarter million dollars) which comes to about the same amount as the stimulus. They blocked the bill for providing a mere 4.3 billion for the health of 911 first responders - saying it was unfunded - yeah just like the tax cut for the rich.

Are you, Sherry, not aware of all this ? Who then is laughing at the poor ? I'd say it's the republicans. They scare you by appealing to the racists, xenophobes and haters amongst you with their lies hyperboles and rabble rousing rhetoric and then screw you behind your back by their pro-corporation, pro-rich policies. Nothing wrong with being pro-rich and pro-corporations but they do so while being anti-poor infact anti-middle class.

It is clear that Boehner wants the Birther Conspiracy to continue. If he can't control these nutcases who are the GOP Representatives, he doesn't deserve to be Speaker of the House. It has been proved that Obama is a citizen and all those little Red States certified the election in 2008; if there had been any question about Obama's citizenship, those Red (GOP) states would have rejected his candidacy when it was originally filed. It is sickening to think of our elected members of Congress who want to believe that Obama is not American - it is racist pure and simple.

Instead of all this grandstanding by the GOP, why aren't they working on jobs for Americans. CBO states it will cost us $280Billion if Healthcare is repealed; the repeal can't happen because of Senate so the GOP is just wasting time that could be spent to help Americans who are hurting. Oh wait, Boehner and others in the GOP are millionaires and multi-millionaires feeding at the public trough. So they aren't hurting - Boehner with his glass of Merlot and cigar (at the exclusive $5000 buy in and yearly fee Cigar Club)! What does he know about Americans who are hurting? Nothing and his cohorts don't know either.

As far as Obama smoking, he gave it up 9 months ago. Do some of you bother to read the news out there?

Sherry "You must have been born without a HEART!! You should be ashamed of yourself. We need more people like Mr. Boehner, who is not afraid to show emotion."

How much do you think he cares about people other than himself and those who help him help himself? Do you think when handed out those checks on the floor years back, given by the tobacco industry, so that they'd pass legislation that favored the tobacco industry - he was all that concerned about other people? I doubt it...but as soon as he was busted, he admitted what he had done, almost cried about it, and then said "this is a practice thats been going on for a long time, and it needs to stop!"...hows that for emotion! Classic, I was busted and now I have reformed! Something tells me Boehner hasnt changed who he is, rather, just how he operates..especially with CSPAN watching the congress floor now.

"Nobama sits in our White House, filling it up with cigarette smoke & laughing at all us poor people, while he spends more money than he knows how to spell."

What the bleep is this? OUR White house?...its his too, ya know...and im willing to bet that he's not the first president to fill that place with smoke (washington most definitely blazed marijuana in that place!)...and id actually be shocked if he could even smoke in there. And he's not the one laughing at poor people - in case you forgot, as a "community organizer" he spent his time trying to help them. Unlike 99% of the republicans. I dont get why you tools keep insulting his intelligence, what part of CONSTITUTIONAL LAW SCHOLAR and LAWYER dont you folks grasp? Are those words too big so you assume its a fancy name, like Custodial Engineer rather than Janitor?

*face palm

I just dont get it...I mean, obviously you dont like him...just like I hated Bush, but at least I had reason to question his intelligence given the retardation that spewed daily from his mouth.

babina, and you know this how? Are you the expert on John Boehner? Have you spoken with his friends and family and intimately conversed with the Speaker about his personal feelings? It is my opinion that you are just another disillusioned liberal who is peeved because Nancy no longer wields the gavel in the House.

As far as this "birther", Feisty, I have never heard Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, or even Rush Limbaugh accuse Obama of not being a natural-born citizen of the United States. Even if he were born on foreign soil he was born to a natural-born citizen of the United States, his mother, and this makes him the legitimate President. It is my wish that he gets fired from his position on November 6, 2012 and I shall do what I can to expedite this. In the meantime you will have to suffer, as we Conservatives have, for at least 2 years with a House of Representatives that has the opposing party as the majority.

Spotti: Speaker Pelosi never cried. But if she did, her face still wouldn't move to show it.

Mr. Indiana, you are a bit wrong in your accounting of the amount of money that is handled by the tax cut extension. the Stimulus is Billions, with a B. the Tax cuts are Millions, with an M... Thanks for playing... Plus much of the stimulus you speak of was supposed to provide jobs for the folks out of work, yet you keep talking about how there are all these folks still needing unemployment benefits... They need them because the jobs were never provided by the stimulus.. let me wnd by saying that you are a JACKWAD!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, the problem with the "birthers" are they can not acknowledge any proof that does not support their crazy theory, and they never will. It is a person's right to believe what they will, but what the tea party nut jobs are doing is try to do is keep the "distractions" alive to prevent Obama from getting anything done because in their eyes, anything he "does" is obviously done illegally because they feel he has no right to be there and subsequently anything he does get done will have to be undone, period. These people are doing their level best to get him out of office because he is black, they just cant use race as an excuse without being labeled merely racist and ignored as a result. Consider what the alternative would have been. Palin as VP, while i support a woman holding the job of president, that girl said some extremely stupid things that should not ever come from the mouth of a politician at any time. At least the streak has ended (presidents only being white), now all we need is to get a female, and other ethic groups elected to the top post next. The "birthers" and the Tea Party are nothing more than the GOP's secret fifth column, an expendable tool to beat the Democrats with. Too bad the Tea Party nutjobs don't realize they are merely being used and will be discarded after elections.

And While the Speaker's job is not to tell people what to think, it is his job to see they also do not waste the House's time with absolute nonsense (like the bill mentioned in the article). What nonsense will they introduce next, A law to ensure the world is flat? A law that declares we ARE alone in the universe and no intelligent life can possibly exist anywhere else in the whole universe and we should just stop looking?

Mr India~ Don't forget to add to his list of accomplishments a better golf handicap. He's taken more vacations on my dime since he's been in office than I've taken in my 30 years of life. And mine don't cost as much! God forbid he forgo a few of those trips and do his job!

Concerned Parent / citizen - If you are that concerned maybe you should peruse a couple more sources of news than you favorite Faux News ....

Veteran CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller, a fastidious keeper of presidential statistics, has kept count. By his tally, Obama has embarked on nine “vacations” since taking office, bringing his total days off to 48. Some of those trips lasted a day and some, like his Christmas holiday in Hawaii, more than a week.

By comparison, Bush had visited his ranch in Crawford, Tex., 14 times at this point in his administration and spent 115 days there. And yes, Democrats let him have it, too, complaining that he was a chronic vacationer.

White House advisers made clear in the days leading up to this getaway that a president, especially a wartime president overseeing a country in the grips of economic distress, is never really on vacation.

The Weeper of the House:

ROTHFLMAO...Send that boy a box of tissue, he's going to need it during the next two years...

DCour sir - You are misinformed. The unfunded tax cut for the wealthy is going to cost $678 billion.

We may disagree on many things but i am sure you will agree that there is no need to call each other names at this stage.

L8rG8r - As a citizen of this great country, i'd say my stake is the same as yours. Only difference, i am assuming, is that I am an independent and i am not beholden to the lies and hyperboles of any one party.

DCour - Here is a reputable source for your perusal

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/07/tax-cut-deal-and-surprise-stimulus-the-cost/

Dcour and Other Stimulus challenged republicans (Defined as republicans who only know what Faux news and Beck-Limbaugh-Hannity et el have told them about the stimulus) -

Here is a great article for all of you. Please do read and get informed. I don't have a problem if your opinion is different than mine as long as it is grounded in reality.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704488404575441410775239560.html

MrIndia

DCour sir - You are misinformed. The unfunded tax cut for the wealthy is going to cost $678 billion.

Sadly you are wrong. There is no "cost" involved at all however there is a $678 billion dollar lack of revenue coming in over the time period. To say that there is a "cost" assumes that 100% of your money belongs to the Government.

BBOOMER your credibility went right out the window as soon as you named your misinformers.

Also you are out and out lying i dont watch those shows but my mother does and I have heard time and time again them refering to him as NO AMERICAN so dont sit here and say that it does not go on... YOu must be a product of your inviornment to lie at all cost maybe no one will notice ......

Personally, I think there may be even more of them in the democratic party as one of the definitions of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect to get different result.

How long have they been throwing money at those living in poverty trying to 'raise them' out of it? 50 years?

Yet, today, they estimate 1 in 6 are living in poverty as of the last census - most of them elderly.

Is it any wonder that the War on Poverty that Johnson declared is a total failure?

Oh, and you think believing in trickle down economics works so you want to keep on doing it. Trickle Down (Tinkle Down) means you give big tax cuts to the rich and watch them tinkle on the poor and middle class.

Witt, were are facts on that statement? What 8 million people are you referring to?

The nuts are right here on this vine bashing anyone and any opinion that is not of your progressive/socialist/liberal hypocritical views. You are the ones ruining this country! You can't even think for yourselves but you just pack together like a bunch of wolves and feed on whatever this administration tells you to. Keep listening to your socialist puppet in the WH who can't even speak for himself! He is told what to say and when to say it by the progressive pigs he is controlled by. You all think you're so smart, but every fool does. Boehner probably cries because he knows alot more about what is happening to this country than we will ever know.

God Bless You Speaker Boehner.

PS: You all probably believe that the 1000's of birds and fish that just died committed suicide too.

Go ahead a collapse this, you are good at running from and or hiding the truth.

Boner is now the lead nut if he really thinks Congress is a melting pot of America. what a stupid statement- half the congress is nutty greedy, racist white people whose only interest is making a lot of money for themselves. Cantor is creepy- McConnell is the ugliest thing I've ever seen and McKeon should be sent back to Utah- it took him 20 years to get a BS- what a moron- he didn't serve in the military but the nutty repugnants put him in charge of the Armed Services committee. Maybe he was a boy scout. He did manage to put his family's company out of business- guess what's he'll do for the military?

Why aren't any of you flipping out about the Gas prices $$$$$$$ and why isn't the media questioning this administration like they questioned Bush? These gas prices are going to keep going up thanks to the Con in Chief and his creepy crawlers.

Witt21, glad to see you up and runnin! Happy new year! Tammy, well put!

That was a good one, got me laughing a little.

After most of the posting to this point, I would think almost anybody would be crying!

Hey, I have no doubt Obama is American, because he's got that Victim mentality that all American left wingers have, but just for the record, that "copy" shown since the Campaign is of a Certificate of Live Birth, that anyone can get at any hospital in Hawaii, NOT a Birth Certificate, like is REQUIRED to get a Passport, etc. He has a true Birth Certificate, but does not show it or his School Records, just like Clinton refused to expose his Medical Records, because they'd show Drug Use like his Brother.

zipzag

I'm adding your name to the list of righties that need a new brain. Hope you're still alive when your name gets to the top- it will be years.

jim, you're right, I'm the scarecrow, you're the lion. Only the good die young! Live long and prove it!

L8RG8R

"After reading most of these posts I would say there are a bunch of narrow minded people and sore losers who are out of touch with real america...."

I'm with you, gator. It DOES get awfully old after two whole years.

and his real birth certificate has been duly-tucked away from view. Not sure about you, but every real job I have EVER had REQUIRED a the birth certificate. You are not duly-qualified until you complete all of the requirements and provide the PROPER Documentation. I am appalled that this process has failed. Its about time we get to see it Mr. Weeper of the House, after all, the American people are your employer.

What? Every job you ever had required a copy of your birth certificate? Are you serious? I've never had a job that required that. Ever. What field do you work in?

Yeah no kidding Logical, what jobs are you talking about? I remember having to do that when I was a teenager and the military but that's it.

I never knew working at McDonalds required a birth certificate.

Dave.. It is normal to provide proof of citizenship throughout a normal lifetime.. I would ask... Where have you been working lately?? Unless you are "undocumented"

I doubt that you (or anyone) has an "original" birth certificate. This stays with the state government and all we have is a copy. I'm from Hawaii and all I have is a copy of my own birth certificate. Check yours out.

His birth certificate is posted online, and has been since the campaign. Those requesting the "real" birth certificate should get a clue and look a Hawaii's request form. That's the only kind of birth certificate Hawaii sends out. It is considered acceptable proof of citizenship by the State Department. Anyone questioning Obama's citizenship at this point it a certifiable nutjob.

Well, if {ill)logical-too dosen't know the difference between "ever" and "every" maybe the employers did want a birth certificate. I worked for many years in a Professional field before retirement and never was I asked for a birth certificate.

Logical TOO- If by "duly tucked away from view" you mean, "posted on the internet" then yes.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

And the only time I ever needed to show my Certificate of Live Birth for a job was to get my security clearance upgraded.

Copies of the birth certificate have been plastered on the internet for the last two years.

Did you just pull your head out of the sand???

I'd say he worked in LEFT field... never shown my birth certificate to any employer in my 40+ years in the workforce.

I've never had to produce my birth certificate in my life, except to get my first drivers license at age 16. I don't recall even showing ID at all for my first high tech job many years ago, and we worked on military contracts.

In NY if you are over the age of 25, a birth certificate is not required for employment. A persons valid SS card and valid drivers license are proof here.

Every employer I've ever had(in 23 years of working) only asked for copies of DL and SS card. Even city government jobs didn't ask for a BC.

I only needed a copy of my BC to get my US passport or travel in foreign countries.

Seriously, where do you fk'n people come from? I've been working since 16 and no one asked about my birth certificate. . . and I only have an official copy. I guess I must be from Kenya then? Not just stupid, sofa king stupid! And to use a word like 'Logical' in your screen name is even more pathetic as logic really seems to elude you.

LOGICAL, Too. (talk about misnomers). I've NEVER shown my birth certificate to get a job! I was born in Albany NY and I produced a stamped, certified COPY to get my driver's license (in 1982) and maybe one other time, but I don't remember for what - college maybe?

Patty-581750

Dave.. It is normal to provide proof of citizenship throughout a normal lifetime.. I would ask... Where have you been working lately?? Unless you are "undocumented" - Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:15 PM EST

Patty, dear...please explain how it is normal to present a copy of a birth certificate which is what is being discussed. We're not discussing presenting a copy of your social security card, or state driver's license to your human resources office to verify that you're legally eligible to work in the US. We are talking about presenting a certified copy of your birth certificate. I am 54 years old. I have not needed to show anyone a copy of my birth certificate since I was in public school...and that was 37 years ago. In fact, my mother has had a copy of my certified birth certificate locked in a safe deposit box at the bank and currently in a fire safe in her bedroom. As I understand things, I will need to present this copy the next time I renew my state driver's license this year. But this will be the first time I've needed this thing in my whole adult life. And in answer to your next question...yes, I have been employed full-time since I was 20 years old by employers in both the public and private sectors.

In order to fill out the I-9 form as part of the hiring process in the US, you have to show proof of citizenship or eligibility to work in the US. You can either show one form of ID (like a US Passport, permanent US resident card, etc), or if you do not have those, you have two show two other forms of ID, like the combination of a driver's license/state ID and a social security card/birth certificate.

So it's very possible that a person has had to show his birth certificate when being hired. Or you can show a social security card. It's a one or the other option. I used to be a HR manager and filled these forms out all the time.

A driver's license and a Social Security card is all an employer needs to fill out a W-4 form. A passport will work as well. You don't need to have your birth certificate. Most people don't carry a birth certificate since it's only available in the city of your birth and so many people move around.

And nobody is issued an original birth certificate. You receive a copy (in Ohio, it is $8). The original stays on file.

What proof do have that BO is a citizen? Have you seen his passport, collage records? Have anyone ever met a childhood friend, a collage friend? What do you really know about this ghost that occupies the white hose?

Hahahahaha! Man, this stuff is funny...

On your way to that new job, did you have to wear a helmet on the short bus too?

hahahaha... but seriously... I kill me...

Dave and Irene Yar-

FYI - Almost all technical jobs require documentation proving that you are a US citizen, as does getting a passport.

Actually, all employers are supposed to check, by law, whether the potential employee is a legal citizen or resident. Too many of them don't. this is part of the reason this country has such a problem with illegal immigration.

And if you work for a company that can have government contracts, you better be able to prove your identity and legal status at any time. The company I work for just went through this because they changed the company badges for some of the employees - and I've been there for over 20 years. the requirement was to provide 2 forms of ID, birth certificate or passport and social security card or driver's license.

JMT112751

Are all you birthers in the same facility? Is it a lack of meds or just a lack of supervision there at the home that has allowed so many nut jobs to post the same dumb rant?

Boehner: The state of Hawaii has said that President Obama was born there. That's good enough for me.

Mr. Boehner may not have made a "strong" statement, but he did say President Obama was born in Hawaii... for those who question this please re-read the above statement, an excerpt from the above article.

As for providing my birth certificate for employment...Yes, one time, for a job in Law Enforcement.

And to those who collapse others posts...grow up!!!

When applying for a job, you are supposed to have two forms of ID proving that you are allowed to work in the United States, your birth certificate being one of them accepted. You can use it with (or a combination of) a valid Driver's License, a Social Security Card (which was never meant to be a form of Identification and says so clearly on my card that I've carried since I got it in 1959), a DD-214 or other military ID, a Green card, plus a few others I don't recall. Obviously the Green Card seems to be assumed, judging by all the illegals that reside and work here. Only once was I required to show a copy of my birth certificate and that was when I enlisted in the Naval Reserves in 1963.

I hadda pee inna jar once. Does that count?

While I do not approve of Obama or the job hes done, he is still a US citizen.

Any yes, I too have had to provide a copy of my birth certificate for every job I've been hired for.

Logical-Too,

before a candidates name appears on a ballot, he or she is vetted by the government (FBI or Secret service, not sure which). That agency determined without a doubt that he is a citizen born on american soil and eligible to run for office. If they discovered something that would make him ineligible to run for office, his name would have never appeared on the ballot in the first place. This whole craziness started because some wack-job screwball posed the question about the location of the birth without a single fact or scrap of proof that he wasn't born here. We have documentation proving he was born in hawaii, from newspaper clipping announcing the birth and the Governor of the State certifying the facts, what I do not see is any sort of documentation stating otherwise. there is no Kenyan document showing he was born there.

Patty & Tammy,

Yeah, I must be "undocumented". Give me a break. I'm an architect, I do fairly well, I'm educated, and no company I have ever worked for has asked for a birth certificate. For that matter, neither did my architecture school or my student loan providers. Driver's license? SSN? Sure. Birth certificate? No. It's never been required, and honestly, I'd be surprised if ever asked. What on earth would they need that for, when they've got a Social Security number and a government ID? Get off the birther wagon, it's just making you look foolish.

What if Boehner has his doubts? Can he say this? NO, he cannot equivocate this because he would immediately be attacked, and judged as a fanatic or as numerous psychotic left-wits here have said "Nuts". So what the hell can he say except if the state says so it's (going to have to be) good enough.

The sad part of this whole debate (one that the nation refuses to actually have) is that it may well be that Obama IS NOT A LEGAL CITIZEN of this country. This effort of distraction on the part of the left and the media continuously focus' on the location of the birth of Obama. This may or may not be as (accurately) reported to be Hawaii. But let's assume this is indeed an indisputable fact. The real issue is did Obama ever re-establish his US citizenship after it was by necessity renounced by his mother, step father and officially recorded by INDONESIA? You see the law there requires all students attending public school be Citizens of Indonesia or they simply are not permitted to attend! So Obama could not legally retain US citizenship and live in Indonesia enjoying the rights and privileges of citizens there, attending public schools, and moving about the country, traveling to and from other foreign nations WITH HIS INDONESIAN PASSPORT BY THE WAY! The media and the democrat party have buried this FACT and they use distraction and ridicule to attack anyone who raises the question with this made up "Birther" phenomenon that the libs, dems and the media invented.

There is no record of Obama applying for or being granted his US citizenship back and that's the truth and that's possibly why his presidency has usurped our constitution!

NO, NO, NO. None of the comments I'm reading shows understanding of the birther issue. The issue is NOT whether Obama was born in Hawaii. He WAS. BUT per the Constitution you have to be a "Natural Born Citizen" to be President of the United States. That clause was put in there to prevent foreign entanglements and foreign ideas/philosophies infiltrating our American government. The definition of "Natural Born Citizen" at the time the Constitution was written, and it hasn't changed, is "a citizen born of two parents who are both citizens." The issue is not Obama, the issue is HIS FATHER. His father was from and a citizen of socialist Kenya. As such, that makes Obama ineligible to be President of the United States. If I had known/thought before the election I would never have voted for him.

Those of you arguing about his birth certificate are not helping because it's a distraction from the real problem here. Fighting about the state of Hawaii is to Obama's advantage. YOU NEED TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS! (yes, I am shouting to beg your attention) That would be on the Constitutionality of his Presidency based on a non-citizen parent regardless of where he was born or raised. If you think his father's foreign socialist political ideas didn't affect his thought processes you are mistaken. Obama read and even included some of those ideas in his book published before he became President.

Let me remind those of you too young to remember or who didn't learn it in school that the German Nazis were the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers' Party). Do you want to discuss the cost of Socialist thinking? We've got a modern historical model and it isn't a good one! socialism is not a healthy or sustainable method of government.

If you want to say "so-what" to Obama's father not being a citizen, I'd ask some of you this question. Would you accept the Presidency of the child of an illegal alien drug dealer from Mexico born in this country and therefore a citizen technically but is he/she really qualified to LEAD US? Where is their loyalty really - to the US or to Mexico and all the other illegal aliens? If your answer is NO I can't accept that, rethink whether you are a "birther" or not. Precedent matters! We've let a Red Herring into the White House.

I was a nurse for over forty years. In that time, I had NEVER been asked to present my birth certificate. I have been finger printed, and had a back ground check because, I dispensed narcotics and it was a requirement for employment. It has been only the last ten to fifteen years, nurses have had, to be finger printed. So again, I NEVER been asked or have I shown, my birth certificate.

More importantly, does anyone really believe the Republicans would not be all over this issue, if it were true? The GOP just enjoys the stupidity, of people who continue to keep this bologna alive. No subject is too small, as long as it keeps, the real issues from being addressed. Mr Boehner, where are the jobs?

To L8RG8R - my Hawaii "birth certificate" is titled "Certification of Live Birth".

To American Woman 3 - A "natural born citizen" refers to someone born outside of the USA belonging to US parents. Because he was born in Hawaii, he automatically became an American citizen. See the writeup in Snopes.

Logical.... what sort of work do you do? I've NEVER shown an employer my birth certificate. Most want an ID of some sort -- like a driver's license -- and I've filled out W-2 forms that include my SS# for tax purposes. The ONLY time I've had to produce my birth certificate was to apply for a passport.

Ron, I know what I'm talking about. I've read the documents very carefully starting with the wording of the Constitution and continuing with documents and literature of the time period. I know what they meant by the words they put in there and they are clear. They grandfathered in all citizens at the time the Constitution was written because the country was so new so anyone who was a citizen when the document was written was eligible, after that, the person was required to be a citizen of parents who are citizens. It would not have been stated that way if I am not correct. Here is the text from the requirements to be President of the United States...

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Further the 14th Amendment and US code defines "citizenship" but the code does not define what "natural born citizen" is.

• Anyone born inside the United States *
• Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
• Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
• Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
• Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
• A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

The argument can be made that natural born means as long as you are born within the borders, but that was NOT the definition when the Constitution was framed. To understand what they meant refer to The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law by Vattel. Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington and John Quincy Adams all used this book to help frame the wording of the Constitution and the definition of "natural born citizen" stems directly from that book. I found the text which defines it and it states in the book that a "natural born citizen" is a citizen born in the country of two citizen parents. Flat out - that is the meaning. All the arguing in the world is not going to change how the document was written and why that clause is stated as it is stated. I will tell you WHY this is considered a "law of nations". In Europe remember there was movement of ruling kings and queens between countries. At times the Emperors would split up countries' rulers between family members - some of whom had little interest in or loyalty to the people and country they ruled. Therefore the intent here is to prevent "foreign entanglements." The framers considered it necessary to safeguard America's interests by requiring our President and leader of our armed forces to have no outside loyalties by having a parent involved with a foreign government. In THIS case Obama's father was not only a citizen but he had political influence in his own country of Kenya - the very thing the framers of our Constitution wanted to prevent having in OUR leadership. Not only that but Jefferson advocated having only natural born citizens of this definition in diplomatic positions. You can be a simple "citizen" to be in other positions in government - Senator/Representative etc. but the requirement for President is by design more stringent.

The American constitution is not optional - unless of course you advocate for revolution and starting over from scratch. Personally, I say stick to the Constitution. It works.

It may be another one of those stupid "state" laws, but certain states do require that you prove you are an American citizen before being hired. I was supposed to train someone new last summer and was informed on the day that she was to start that she could not prove citizenship and her offer of employment had been rescinded. Makes sense. We already outsource enough American labor.

sam adams:

"It may be another one of those stupid "state" laws, but certain states do require that you prove you are an American citizen before being hired."

Actually, it's the federal government. Someone should be able to prove they have the right to work in the United States before they can be hired. They don't have to be citizens, but they have to have something, like a green card, that says they are eligible to work in the US before they can be hired. Every employer has to fill out an I-9 form for every employee hired after 1986 and keep it on the books while they are employed, because if the employer are audited, they can get huge fines and penalties for having employees that are not allowed to work in the US.

Not all employers follow this law, and they have illegals working for them off the books.

American Woman 3:

You might think you know what you are talking about, but you obviously lack adequate reading comprehension.

1. Obama was born in Hawaii, so he meets the requirements.

"Anyone born inside the United States"

2. Even if Hawaii was considered a "possession" at the time of Obama's birth, the second requirement was still met

"Anyone born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year".

Obama's mom and Obama both lived in the US for over 1 year.

Now go back to your birther buddies for some more propaganda to try and substantiate your ridiculous claims.

Great reply, Lobo! Voted up.

Nice, always play the race card when you get backed into a corner, give it up, Thanks to NObama Equal Opportunity is OVER.

post on worldnetdaily much? the simple fact is, birthers are delusional liars, and also are universally old white men. so is it really that hard to figure out why they hate obama so much?

Logical, backed into what coner?

Backed into a corner? president Obama has produced his birth certificate to the proper authorities and does not have to show it to the likes of you. Who do you think you are, someone important? After two years this should be a a non-issue but the nut jobs - put yourself in that category if you wish - just won't go away. Hell some are now in the US Congress. God help us all.

Yea, Logical, what corner??? These flea baggers throw that out the race card as an opening act! When you do not know " come on" form " sick em" you learn to regurgitate the kool aid talking points, and it appears there are some "scholars" out today. PS: Is it more rasist to vote FOR a man because he is 1/2 black or to vote AGAINST a man that is 1/2 black? I think 1/2 the people will get this wrong.

When discussing Birthers, the conversation is inherently about racism. We never ask for any other presidents birth certificates like Pres Obama's. Why? Because he looks different.

Yes he does!!! If he could wiggle his ears, he could fly!

if you took the time to look you would find that he is not a natural born citizen as his father was not a citizen, talk about drinking the cool aid, we have rules for a reason, and if your only going to observe the ones you like we have anarchy.

John: His mother IS (was) a citizen, so Obama is, as well. It only takes ONE parent, not both. Enjoy that Birther koolaid.

john-1221153

Did your parents have any children that lived?

It isn't "really" about race, so much as Obama wasn't raise in the American plantation of racism.....his father was REALLY Africian...his mother a white American...he was born in Hawaii, and raise in Hawaii and Indonesia....all put him outside of the racism box that is most biracial and Black American's... this makes people really nervous...the underlying fear of the "other" the unfamiliar. etc. What the "birthiers" never tell you is why on earth would Obama's mother try to "hide" a birth in Kenya? And how did they get the entire State of Hawaii to go along with this "conspiracy"?? Because they new when he was born, that he would run for Illinois legislature, then the U.S. Senate then win President of the United States??? Oh, I guess THAT'S why they names him Barack Hussein Obama! They are sooo crafty! pssst...because his mother IS an American citizen..he would be an American citizen and qualified for the Illinois legislature, and the Senate anyway..no matter where he was born....but being born in Hawaii....it's all good.

Question the Questioner? Too often since the death of Tim Russert, and perhaps before, I've heard folks complain there are no "real" journalists left - the kind that ask real questions. How dare Brian Williams try to be what he's supposed to be!

JimC-300069

john-1221153

"Did your parents have any children that lived?"

He was twins. The after-birth lived.

Well at least they can remove the visitors pretty easily.

The flakes in his party who are duly elected and who he will now have to deal with (in slow tones) will be a little harder.

I think the people he deals with now, will be alot easier to take care of than the Dem's we have had to deal with.

Actually, if you read the questions, they were rather leading and Williams even had the audacity to offer Boehner a response that would leave him (JB) open to criticism from his detractors. No, this clearly was a biased reporter looking to make a point.

"I don't give a rats ass about dems so in effect I don't deal with them...."

Then you're about as mature as my bratty 9-year-old niece.

Actually Speaker Boehner's comments were correct. It is not the Speaker's job to tell fellow party members how to think or how to speak. It is the job of the House Majority Leader and the House Majority Whip. Obviously Mr. Boehner will have considerable influence through both his place in the party and in his office, but his is not the job of enforcer. Of course, having said that, it will be interesting to see what happens if a good part of the Republican party moves in a direction counter to the Speaker's desires.

Please note that it is possible to comment without name-calling or cries of gloom, doom and ruination.

That's the republican way, double standards.

Nancy Pelosi is to mean to cry. Thats the Liberal way spread hate.

Corey, I don't see either party handing out rainbows and ponies. However, I am sick of all this smoke being blown up my ass from both parties.

No, I'm afraid, that's the politician's way. Why is everyone so divided & committed to party lines? There should no longer be Republicans vs. Democrats. It is destructive to the issues that really matter. All people do on these forums nowadays is argue "I wonder what the Republicans would say if a Democrat...." or "If it were a Democrat in office, the Repubs would be saying...."

WHO CARES WHICH PARTY IS IN OFFICE & what the other party hypothetically might say?! Lets look at what they are actually doing as individuals, their policies, their values, their VOTING RECORD... Not their party label. Is Ron Paul the only one in Congress who's got it right?

I agree, Piglosi is unable to cry due to all the plastic in face. Ever notice when she has to stand in front of bright lights more than 5 seconds her face starts to sag?

pelosi was treated with kid gloves because no one wanted to pick on the first female speaker of the house. She acts like a vindictive spoiled rotten brat. It's not an appealing package frankly. She's most upset that she will not be able to use Airforce II now that she is not speaker. She spent 100 million dollars of our money flying back an forth to San Fran... good riddance to just another tax and spend bureaucrat piece of crap.

L8RG8R

She wasn't long winded she was just trying to build the strength to lift that freakin gavel small dick

boner ordered. Like gun nuts he had to have the biggest gavel ever used in the house. Somebody buy him a new box of kleenex for the tears he'll be shedding as reality sinks in. He has to do more than pass out bribery checks on the house floor- spray on tan and hit happy hour. I don't think he's up to it.

Nancy Pelosi's face would probably crack if she cried. Of course the good side of this is that Pelosi and Joan Rivers would have something in common.

Hey JimC- what the "C" stand for? Lemme guess... you had that coming u monkey-spanker u.

You keep on believing that. I'll keep laughing, because for your "theory" to be true thousands of people in both parties would have to be complicit (including the entire National Security apparatus) in a 40-year cover-up without ONE person saying anything.

The mafia wishes it had that level of secrecy.

Oh dear, you poor thing. Did someone not tell you Hawaii is a state? (They don't really let people like you live in NYC do they? )

Do a search for "Obama Birth Certificate" and choose any one of the results that pop-up. Or are all those pictures forgeries?

Where do you get ths info??? He is a citizen, get over it!!!! Show me proof that he has spent $ to hide it, or is there a conspiracy in Hawaii????????

...too bad your pathetic retorts only express your myopic thoughts instead of facts, I guess you both would spend two million dollars instead of showing your birth certificate too........me, I would show you my birth certificate and keep the two million dollars......maybe that's why Dumbocrats have such a tough time with fiscal responsibility and basic mathematics...

nycguy- Right you are- the simple act of releasing this supposedly "valid" birth certificate would settle the issue once and for all.

I also want to know what's lurking in Odchebama's records and history from his days at Columbia University- another bundle of info that he's kept under constant lock and key and away from public scrutiny.

Why yes, there is a conspiracy in Hawaii. It was all set up by radical black, Christian, Muslim, communist, fascist, Nazis 40 years ago. Barrack Hussein Obama was born to a virgin in Kenya, and was annointed as the "chosen one", thus setting in motion an elaborate, evil, plot to destroy our freedom, because they hate freedom. Kenya, Russia, China, Iran, and the entire state of Hawaii (including the Hawaii newspapers) were in on it. In return, everyone involved got a flat screen TV, paid for with YOUR MONEY!

This is absolutely true. You can look it up on snopes, but you don't have to, because it's ABSOLUTELY TRUE!

They are making fun of you because nobody spent 2 mill to hide a birth certificate. What you believe is none sense and things you heard form other people. It has been validated over and over but you are so slow that you don't realize it, hence we make fun of you.

Speaking of place of birth, wasn't John McCain born in Panama? Military base or not, how would he qualify to run for presidential office?

....well Obama did spend that money on a slew of lawyers in the courts fighting for the birth certificate to be released.....but you won't hear about that on MSNBC or from Crock Mathews or Fatboy Ed or Rachel Mancow......he is hiding it if it exists at all.....

You are sadly misinformed and totally wrong.

nycguy and pmark,

I get the sense you wouldn't be convinced even if we had a 8mm film of the birth.

Again, if he really isn't a citizen, why didn't it come up on his security clearances? To have the security clearances he received when he was a Senator on the Homeland Security and Foreign Relations committees (and when he became a candidate for President and started receiving National Security Briefings), the FBI goes all the way back to when the doctor smacked your bottom. And they missed it?

nycguy, quit sniffing the garbage, that still hasn't been picked up after the snow storms, it is obviously affecting your capacity to think.

NYC Guy please provide a source for ytour claim that Obama has spent $2 Million to keep from showing his birth certificate. And please no right wing blog posts. Primary only

For people like NYCGuy and Pmark, it is too convenient to not recognize the FACTS that President Obama is a natural born American. The FACT that he was confirmed as a natural born American by the NSA, FBI, CIA, Hawii, and numerous other agencies (who were controlled by the outgoing Republican President GW Bush) can't prove anything, I guess. I mean, think for a second. Would Bush have allowed him to be confirmed as President, if he wasn't born in Hawii? Your lack of intellegence actually disproves natural selection, because people like you shouldn't exist, having ceased to exist long ago!

Release his college papers and see what he put down to get his funding from the government. I see no valid reason to hide the fact that he defrauded the government out of money if that is what he did.

seriously what's the big deal for this guy to produce a valid certificate? It's taken about 3 years for them to come up with this so called Certificate of Live Birth. AND why does Oblaima 's grandmom in Africa claim she was one of the midwives at his birth in Kenya? ..... I say-

Oooouwee ... what's up with that" What's up with thaaat? Oooouwee ..... (props to Keenan Thompson of SNL very funny guy) Oooouwee What's up with that?

Go to Mother Jones' website and check birther cost to Obama........UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN BO'S GRANDMA WHO STATED THAT BO WAS BORN IN KENYA DOES'NT HAVE 8MM FILM OF IT....THAT WOULD HAVE SETTLED IT....

I believe The President's mother was a citizen when she gave birth to him, doesn't that fact make him a natural born citizen and thus eligible to be President? I believe it is the jus sanguine statement in the Constutuiton (14th ammendment? I'm not sure). What I don't like is the sequestering of the college transcripts. Other Presidents have released thier transcripts, why not our current President? That seems somewhat hypocritical for the "Most Transparent" President.

Second, what is the problem you people have with Boehners repsonse? He said the state of Hawaii's actions were good enough for him. What is the problem? Last spring you were all upset that the republicans voted No, as one block, on health care reform indicating your displeasure that the republicans can't or don't think for themselves. Now you are upset that Boehner won't "control" the republicans saying they can think for themselves. Well, which is it? Do you want them to think for themselves or march in lockstep with the party? You can't have it both ways, hypocrits.

nycguy

You're just a crazy racist.

I don't care if he's from Mars- he's a hell of al ot better than what we would have, if he'd have lost.

Jim C- what proof do you have?......because I question the validity of BO?....grow up and realize Bo's color does'nt matter...... it's his incompetence that galls....

nycguy,

Again, I ask - given the amount of "opposition research" conducting by the Hillary Clinton Campaign, the John McCain campaign, and the RNC someone should have found something substantiating your argument. And if they did, what motive would they have to keep it secret?

What motive would the NSA or the FBI have to keep it secret if they found something in the deep background check required to get a high-level security clearance? The NSA and FBI that were run by the previous Republican administration, I might add.

Occam's Razor shreds your theory into tiny, tiny bits.

There a lot of people richer and yes, more powerful than President Obama who could "deliver" his birth certificate, if he was really not an American. Maybe you doubtful Thomases, should call Assange, the Wikileaks guy. He could probably use the money and GOP supporters.

Otherwise, as a fellow Ohioan, I hope John Boehner looses his over sized gavel; along with his over-sized ego, in two years.

The inmates were in charge, now it remains to be seen if the new representatives will finally listen to the people.

What if Boehner has his doubts? Can he say this? NO, he cannot equivocate this because he would immediately be attacked, and judged as a fanatic or as numerous psychotic left-wits here have said "Nuts". So what the hell can he say except if the state says so it's (going to have to be) good enough.

The sad part of this whole debate (one that the nation refuses to actually have) is that it may well be that Obama IS NOT A LEGAL CITIZEN of this country. This effort of distraction on the part of the left and the media continuously focus' on the location of the birth of Obama. This may or may not be as (accurately) reported to be Hawaii. But let's assume this is indeed an indisputable fact. The real issue is did Obama ever re-establish his US citizenship after it was by necessity renounced by his mother, step father and officially recorded by INDONESIA? You see the law there requires all students attending public school be Citizens of Indonesia or they simply are not permitted to attend! So Obama could not legally retain US citizenship and live in Indonesia enjoying the rights and privileges of citizens there, attending public schools, and moving about the country, traveling to and from other foreign nations WITH HIS INDONESIAN PASSPORT BY THE WAY! The media and the democrat party have buried this FACT and they use distraction and ridicule to attack anyone who raises the question with this made up "Birther" phenomenon that the libs, dems and the media invented.

There is no record of Obama applying for or being granted his US citizenship back and that's the truth and that's possibly why his presidency has usurped our constitution!

Abby, how did it make you feel when you typed, "boner"? Was there a sudden rush of heat, perhaps a faint palpitation? A bit of perspiration forming on the back of the legs? Please, share.

You sound like an idiot. Why the hell would a so-called 'liberal' put a plant in there?

I'm sure you also believe the earth is flat and the moon is made out of choose.

Yeah. Libs are 'evil'. Not the party that condones people going to rallies and chopping off someone's head.

Moron.

Hey, lay off this guy. Usually crazy conspiracy theories aren't nearly this simple but I kind of like this one. Kind of hard to understand the gain here, but what the heck. i like that he actually thinks that some cadre of libs sat around and dreamed this up (hey, let's start one about maybe the whole birther thing being started by Obama supporters to convince the country his enemies are wackos??--whatdya think?)

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sns02215 thank you , I couldn't have said it better. Actually there is too much name calling and not enough common sense to put this country back on its feet. We are the laughing stock of the rest of the world. Especially over the Obama being foreign born, I personally think Boner Boo Hoo was born on Mars. If a woman cried in public as much as he does, they would be considered "unstable" I am not buying his uncontroled sensitivity, it is an act.

What if Boehner has his doubts? Can he say this? NO, he cannot equivocate this because he would immediately be attacked, and judged as a fanatic or as numerous psychotic left-wits here have said "Nuts". So what the hell can he say except if the state says so it's (going to have to be) good enough.

The sad part of this whole debate (one that the nation refuses to actually have) is that it may well be that Obama IS NOT A LEGAL CITIZEN of this country. This effort of distraction on the part of the left and the media continuously focus' on the location of the birth of Obama. This may or may not be as (accurately) reported to be Hawaii. But let's assume this is indeed an indisputable fact. The real issue is did Obama ever re-establish his US citizenship after it was by necessity renounced by his mother, step father and officially recorded by INDONESIA? You see the law there requires all students attending public school be Citizens of Indonesia or they simply are not permitted to attend! So Obama could not legally retain US citizenship and live in Indonesia enjoying the rights and privileges of citizens there, attending public schools, and moving about the country, traveling to and from other foreign nations WITH HIS INDONESIAN PASSPORT BY THE WAY! The media and the democrat party have buried this FACT and they use distraction and ridicule to attack anyone who raises the question with this made up "Birther" phenomenon that the libs, dems and the media invented.

There is no record of Obama applying for or being granted his US citizenship back and that's the truth and that's possibly why his presidency has usurped our constitution!

Actually KJ: I know a lot of strict Libertarians that are strong Truthers. Yep, seems strange to me, but they are.

what the hey is this 'truther birther' nonsense anyway? just jargonistic distraction from potentially important issues. and it's sophmoric. the whole debate and national dialogue needs to be elevated and then we can dispense with this stuff... BUT why is the whitehouse evasive? This is not neceassry and it's in contrast to the promises that obama made... it turns out that he's just another mouth-piece that says whatever he thinks he needs to to get what he personally wants politically speaking.

Change We Can Believe In... just like the tooth fairy if you are deluded enough. The latest BBS or Barrage of Bull Sh*t is that the potential repeal of the Obamacare disaster will add to the deficit! More nonsense... how can withdrawing from another entitlement program that the experts already agree will cost nearly one trillion over the next 8 to 10 years add to the deficit. Well the only way is if you LIE and ignorant people or the very smart people with everything to gain yet again off the backs of taxpayers BELIEVE the BS! I say we need another slogan STOP THE BULL SH*T! How about that?

Maybe, maybe not I will wait and see what history says about Pelosi.

Be afraid, be very afraid, Tom. He has pledged to take away your free ride.

Tom:

Excuse the expression but "Ditto!" Maybe we should invest in "Kleenx." We'll make a killing.

If he is "weeper of the house"...what does that make his followers: weepies, weepons?

You should be ashamed of yourself. Must not have any self-respect & were not raised to respect authority.

This isn't the third grade...

I promise to grant John Boehner the exact amount of respect that he has earned. With that said, the sorry lush better buckle up for a wild ride because paybacks are a mutha and his due is coming!

I think the followers of the Weeper of the House are nothing but 'wet'. Behind the ears and especially diluted Kool Aid.

Retreading this Speaker is the pure definition of insanity. The only thing that comforts me is that he doesn't have a Republican Senate nor a Republican President to push through the Corporate Interests he has vowed to uphold!

Yeah, I spit on him and the 'office' he holds. And trust me, he has EARNED it!

Jonas:

John's followers will keep there same name, Stupid.