the resident Racist speaks first.

Anything constructive to say Bev?

Where are the jobs?

US Navy was talking about the 297,000 just created. Not bad, since the Repubs haven't even had enough time for the acetone to soften the Super Glue between Nancy's hand and the handle of that gavel.

So, what"s not in the Pledge? A balanced budget, for one.

Yea, only the Democrats promise the monumentally impossible right off the bat.

Oh my, bob-

Job creation occurring in the mere ANTICIPATION of a Republican majority in the House.

Poor Bev...

And Feisty, and US Navy, Nash, Louis B, John B, Jody...the list just goes on and on.

If I failed to acknowledge you individually, First Readers...please accept my humble apology.

But...

Happy New Year, one and all!

It would appear that msnlover2 is your huckleberry, Bev...

Lol.

Come on people, I have read many of Bev's post and I have never seen anything with racist content coming from her. If you use fact checkers, you will see she in correct in what she speaks.

As far as facts, one thing is for sure, the Tea People- Corporate Republicans in the House and Senate had a perfect lazy person job. All they had to do for two years is say “NO’ and take there toys home at the end of the day. Now, they had better produce and quit the bull crap as far as talk about repealing health care and quit playing games.

Remember, the Corporate Republicans-Tea People in the House had better produce jobs or its bye, bye.

Steve - you should be ignoring Bev like most of the rest of us.

Steve-505729

the resident Racist speaks first.

Let the Hate filled post from the usual Begin.

Feisty, Bev. Matthew, Disabled. Amy. Patrick, Newday.. .

We wait with Bated Breath..

I'm talking jobs Steveo,

And the Republicans not having a balanced budget in the Pledge, nary a one, in their agenda called the " Pledge to America".

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/gop-pledge-o-meter/subjects/federal-budget/

But, if you want to talk racial injustices, let's get it on.

Yes. Bev.. we understand that everything abotu you is Racial Injustice. You are a Hate Filled Black person that Blames everything on a White person, You take ZERO responsiblity for the plight you find yourself in.

You are a Pathetic RACIST..

Steve-505729

Yes. Bev.. we understand that everything abotu you is Racial Injustice. You are a Hate Filled Black person that Blames everything on a White person, You take ZERO responsiblity for the plight you find yourself in.

You are a Pathetic RACIST..

Okaay, so you know this about my financial situation because you have ESP, right?

now, that's pathetic you claim things you know nothing about.

OMG Boehnor JUST got the gavel and is fighting back the tears.

Hold tight the "Tears of Fears" are coming.

The sky is falling unless we get rid of healthcacre and Obama

Bev,

Listen Racist... I never said anything abotu yoru Finacial situation, it is your mind Set.. Every Single Day you come on these boards and call White people every name in the Book. Your hatred towards white people is what your Problem is. White People did NOTHING to you. You did it to yourself by Listening to Democrats that want nothing more then to keep you in your Pathetic state of Life . so you will Continue to vote for them.

Steve-505729

Bev,

Listen Racist... I never said anything abotu yoru Finacial situation, it is your mind Set.. Every Single Day you come on these boards and call White people every name in the Book. Your hatred towards white people is what your Problem is. White People did NOTHING to you. You did it to yourself by Listening to Democrats that want nothing more then to keep you in your Pathetic state of Life . so you will Continue to vote for them.

FU Liar, here hoping you can back up your claim. Name any white person on this board I called racist names with a link and time from FR; azzhat.

Pathetic state of Life ?

It's a joy to call out GOP hypocrisy.

Hey Racist,

Even the Moderators of this Board know that you are a Racist... Its a Daily occurance..

Steve-505729

Hey Racist,

Even the Moderators of this Board know that you are a Racist... Its a Daily occurance..

Prove it @sshole!!! Uh Oh, you can't; can you?

Bev may be a racist...

But you can't say she's not doggedly determined.

The term "tunnel vision" could have been coined to describe Bev.

Nose to the grindstone...obliviously plugging away.

Go Bev, go...!

Steve-505729

"Let the Hate filled post from the usual Begin.

Feisty, Bev. Matthew, Disabled. Amy. Patrick, Newday.. .

We wait with Bated Breath.."

Mmmm Hmmm. And you thought THIS would be the perfect way to begin the discourse? I see. I also see this:

Steve-505729

"the resident Racist speaks first."

Yer quite a peach, Steve.

Forgive the expletive, Steve...

Lefties are sooooo emotional.

She didn't mean it.

What she meant can't be shown here.

You mistake truth for hate, Steve. Otherwise, prove my 'hate filled posts'.

Matthew, Houston, TX

You mistake truth for hate, Steve. Otherwise, prove my 'hate filled posts'.

I'm with you on that Matthew

Hey Stevie-o

I'm still waiting for you to prove I've called white people on this board racist names (with comments from FR) and that the Moderators of this Board know that I'm a racist.

What's the matter did the Hate get in the Way; Kiddy-O?

Hey bev..

If what i said wan't the Truth. The Moderators would have already. Collapased this post and Banned me.. but they havent have they...

Steve-505729

Hey bev..

If what i said wan't the Truth. The Moderators would have already. Collapased this post and Banned me.. but they havent have they...

FYI: Moderators don't collaspe posts the community does; mostly right wingers. Myself, I don't flag any as inflammatory, no value, or otherwise. I think ignorant posts should stand for everyone to see just so ignorant points of view can be exposed.

Na nana boo boo. I rubber your glue... whatever get over it already. It looks like Steve ran out of mints.

Hey Bev,

yes.. I just hate the Half White Man in the Oval office.. I mean really in your mind its all this boils down too.....

Bev. is Black? I'm shocked, just shocked.

Regardless of race or creed, she is the best at insightful, witty comments. She almost never resorts to speaking ill or negatively of anyone and is really all about the free-flow of ideas. Yes, she does have a certain proclivity for terms like tea-baggers, but she is only referencing the sexual act, which she so enjoys, right Bev.?

And no I didn't forget about you Fiesty. You are the best also.

"I think ignorant posts should stand for everyone to see just so ignorant points of view can be exposed."

Only Bev could, somehow, be blissfully unaware of the monumental irony demonstrated in that comment.

That's exactly the kind of reasoning First Readers have come to expect from you, my dear.

Come on Steve, quit acting like a punk. Take your toys and go home.

I would like to see compromise on an Energy Bill - one that will help the common folk and yet protect the environment. I would like to see real immigration reform. I would like to make sure that all people of this country can get competent health care.

Compromise is not you agree with me or else, it is to work together to get the BEST ideas from both sides and come up with good solutions. Neither side is right on everything!! This country needs the best ideas from everyone.

working together is in the best interest of this country. Not in the best interest of the party or getting re-elected.

Also, I think we need good regulation. Regulation that makes it safe for citizens to eat the food and breathe the air, and drink the water. Regulation that protects consumers. Regulation that is sane and does not have bad outcomes for employers that are trying to do good.

I'd like to see legitimate debate about how to repair our country's crumbling infrastructure. It has to be done sometime and could possibly lead to something like the old CCC program and get folks back to work doing highly beneficial work. Yes, these would be temporary government jobs, but it would attack 2 problems at once.

Oh yes. Most certainly in the best interest of the country, but that doesn't mean it will happen. Being in the interest of both parties does mean it will happen.

Anyone else? Or are we just here to hate the other side?

Immigration reform that actually works for the best of this country.

GJ,

I would like to see our congress overhaul the tax code in this country, eliminate deductions & loopholes, and go to a flat tax system. Where everyone pays the same percentage in taxes?

I agree the tax code should be first. I could get behind a flat tax, but I think it is politically unfeasible. I have no source for this, but I had heard that during the tax rate extension debate both sides agreed a flat tax was off the table.

I also believe compromise could be reached on immigration reform. What it would look like I don't know.

Unfortunately for a good Energy policy, energy companies contribute to both parties at nearly a 50-50 split. To be fair more like 60-40 towards repubs. However because of contributions I fear fossil fuels will be the main source of energy until they are gone.

BigBear,

Tax reform is definitely in order. Though I don't share your enthusiasm for a flat tax, I have to admit that when, through shelters loopholes and accounting manipulation, a millionaire can end up paying an effective rate that is less than what I pay, the "so called" progressive tax system is broken.

Immigration reform, energy reform, infrasture investment, and a tax system overhaul. I'll go for all those things regardless of which party is in power. Before Reagan, republicans were big infrastructure advocates (that was pre- tax cut mania days). The only disagreement I have is the flat tax part, that would mean that whether you make $10,000 or $10 million, everyone pays the same rate--those who have the least would be impacted the most just as sales taxes, gasoline taxes do today. I definitely support the elimination of loopholes. There are many deductions that could be eliminated but home mortgages deductions should only be eliminated for individuals owning more than one home. Most of us can only afford one and that tax deduction is helpful particularly for first time buyers.

Thanks GJ & Indy,

Talking about specific topics and ideas is a lot more fun and educational than name calling. Although they are funny sometimes.

Indy, I have sat round and ran numbers using different percentages, but my best find was using the 2009 tax payers & the base tax dollars for each of the 5 percentage brackets. My mathematics, somewhat basic, showed that at a 17% rate, using the number of tax payers in each tax bracket, using the minimum dollar amount, that US taxpayers would have paid $15 billion more in income taxes than what they took in.

Now I really think that the national government could bring in more money with a flat tax, because those that can afford accounts would not have a way to hide their money.

Is it feasible, probably not, when corporations and wealthy individuals control our congress. Because they don't want to lose those deductions, loopholes. Because that is where they make the real killing, by not having to pay into the system, what they should.

There has been so much railing against the rich by lefties here, the Warren Buffett, Bill Gates stuff on how they don't pay enough. I think we need to pass legislation that would allow Buffett, Gates, and all the liberal billionaires to pay all the taxes they complain about not paying. I know they can pay more now if they really wanted, but maybe they would be happy with the Buffett/Gates Liberal Billionaire Tax Talking Point Bill/Law. Kinda give them some attention - like a FR Green Star for the big boys.

That ought to be easy right?

Indy,

The president got $28B in 2009 from the porkulus AND requested another $50B last year for the infrastructure. $78B should go a long way.

As for the tax code, look at http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer. I prefer a fair tax with prebates over the flat tax system. I agree that the progressive system is dorked up and needs a good overhauling.

I'll take your math as fact BB, not my strong suit. I may have less of a problem with the concept of a flat tax if it exempted those at the bottom of the economic rung. The point you set that number for exemption could be debated, but I would not like to see those who are already in dire straits hurt even more.

Hey Chef, thanks for the link. The 78 billion for infrastructure sounds better than it really is. Unfortunately, all it does is replace one pot of money with another; it isn't really an actual increase in infrastructure investment. I know this first hand and it really ticked me off when I found out.

Indy

I think the progressive tax system would work better without the loopholes etc. It is not perfect, but we could never get a perfect system.

Jody

I agree about the mortgage deduction, and I like the more than one home proviso. However on the flat tax. Although it would impact people with lower income more, these are the people who predominantly use government assistance. (sp) If they paid the flat tax and then got assistance, it would totally preclude any arguments from the right about them being leeaches and not contributing. Isn't not hearing that talking point almost worth it?

Big bear

The one point that is lost in your theory is that everyone pays taxes. Corporations and business just pass the cost of taxes on through their products or services. Consumers pay all of the taxes.

You would also be surprised how fast 78 billion can get sucked up by administrative costs! With 50 States that is only 1.51 Billion or so each. Each State may repair one Bridge..........

GJ,

Nice optimism but if the past or his recent statements are anything to judge him by well I think you just might want to keep your guard up.

Salt,

You are correct, if someone thinks that consumers aren't paying for rising taxes they are crazy. Heck, just sneeze around some businesses and they jack up the price--oil companies. But I am referring to the income tax laws of this land, not the other taxes. But we can talk about them also.

But I kind of refer to the constitution with my flat tax idea.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Taxes are suppose to be uniform, I don't think our current income tax system is uniform, unless of course you are not paying any income taxes at all. Why is it that a person who works hard, makes a lot of money should have to pay a larger percentage of their salary to income taxes, than a person who works hard, but does not make a ton of money? They both work hard, yet one makes more, which could make him pay anywhere from 10% to 30% more in taxes. That is a fair and just system?

Big Bear your are showing your tea party tendencies. You already know about the 16 th amendment which was passed to allow income taxation.

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

The 16 th amendment was passed because of a supreme court decisions that rendered all Federal taxes uncollectable. See Pollock V Farmers loan and trust.

Yes, And to be honest, the 16th amendment should be repealed. IMO. Why should the federal government be allowed to tax our income, the money we make. Wouldn't make more sense to tax the things that we purchase only. How is a person suppose to save any money for retirement? Oh that is right, SS will take care of that.

But the 16th amendment does not talk about fairness, or uniform, that just they are allowed to tax, without sending money to the states. The original constitution states that taxes have to uniform. Which I guess our congress has decided is uniform--if you don't make $20K--you don't pay taxes. If you make a $1 million you pay 35%. That is uniform.

BigBear62

Yes, And to be honest, the 16th amendment should be repealed. IMO

What about the 14th?

See, the 14th is another breed.

I don't think that it needs repealing, because most of us, in some form or fashion are immigrants to this country. Even the native Americans migrated from somewhere else:)

I do believe that those illegal immigrants who have children in this country should be returned to their home country if caught, taking their children with them. And since they were not US citizens when the child was born, their child would have duel citizenship with this country until they turn 18, upon which they would have to decide, with legal documentation which country they will have citizenship. Their parents homeland, or the US. They would then be allowed back into the US, if they are not already present, as a regular citizen.

Does that mean they might not get the same type of education that others living in the US the entire time get? Maybe. But it would stop the anti-immigrant movement, but still allow those born in the US to be US citizens, as the 14th amendment states.

Might as well repeal the 10th Amendment (commerce clause) as well. It is the piece of crap that the liberals use to justify their illegal subversion of the constitution.

Come on USNV. Legitimate discussion. I know most on here aren't interested in it, but I am.

Take a breath mint

Better yet... a breathalyzer!

He's positively 'glowing' today... lmao

Proof that spray tans really do work!

Where is NJNB AKA RUSH

Where is NJNB AKA RUSH

Shhh...

She's busy reading her new arrival - 'Economics for Dummies 3.0' version lol

Who cares where NoJo is? Why so you can berate NJ with hate? It's not like you are interested in anything he/she has to say. You just find humor in calling names. Is that why you monitor FR? for humor?

Sometimes a little humor is needed. If you do not have thick skin, then you may not want to read and post here. If any one has been hurt by comments made here then they need to seek a good head doctor.

Oh don't get me wrong Salt, I am not offended, and I think humor is essential to a balanced life. I question whether encouraging someone to berate another for your humor is the best forum for it. Trust me I occasionally want to be demeaning mostly to the extremists on both sides who can brook no argument with their positions. Mostly I get tired of reading pages of no content comments.

Cheers though!

I gotta agree with Salt Grass . Humor is vital, but it does help to have a thick skin.

NJNB must REALLY get under ol' angry ginger's skin for her to constantly be worried about where she is....

Looks like angry is the one with thin skin. lol

And again as always...

All character assasinations from the lib-nuts...

no substance.

and loving it!

What no sense of humor S? Your hero is getting ready to stick it to you and the rest of the tea party set, along with the rest of the middle and working class.

Yawn...................

I'm more interested in when they get to the part about the slave tax.

Things will change with the TEA Party, when big money flows their way.

Yes. you Democrats already have a Slave Tax. its Called Union Dues....

Repeal the 10th amendment at the same time that we repeal 0bummercare in early 2013.

Healthcare repeal is an easy one - it is unconstitutional to begin with. You can't make people buy something they don't want. The CBO estimates that a family of 4 that makes $89K will pay $15,200 for 0bummercare. So when your company decides to pay the $2K tax penalty instead of providing HC - here is what you get.

You should be asking Obama and Pelosi. they provided zero while Adding another 5 Trillion Dollars of Debt.

You are pathetic

But, gee, I was led to believe that once the 112th Congress was sworn in with Boehner as the Speaker everything would be sunshine, rainbows, lollipops and unicorns.

Was I wrong?

Oh.. But Noid,,,,

zero Jobs.. 9.8 percent Unemployment. and 5 Trillion Dollars more in Debt.. We understand you wish to change the Subject..

I asked the current Speaker of the House where the jobs are. You want to talk about Obama and Pelosi.

Who changed the subject?

Da Noid

I asked the current Speaker of the House where the jobs are

In case you haven't noticed he hasn't even been sworn in yet goofball so he isn't "the current speaker" yet. So in your world it's fine to scream "where are the jobs" to the majority leader before he's even sworn in but it's wrong to ask Obama, Pelosi, and Reid the same question after TWO YEARS and billions of dollars spent???

It's reasons like this that make you lib-nuts impossible to take seriously. lol

That and the fact that people like you, angry ginger, and ol' resident racist Bev never have any facts to debate, just pointless chracter assasinations. And there not even good chracter assasinations. There always pointless...

Boehner has a tan and McCain is old. That seems to be all you people ever have. Who cares?

Did he buy that tan? or is that a Golfing tan?

The Orange Man has a golfing tan - if you played golf you would know. ; )

Paul..

Oh please Lay it on Thick. its all that you have. . . Hahaha. I got big shoulders. I hate Racist Black people. you are Pathetic

Elise. I second that. But I am not hopeful

Why should he work with the President one bit? Boehner is a conservative and as a conservative he is opposed to every thing the most liberal (socialist? Communist? Marxist? Take your pick! Barack would embrace them all!) president in american history.

I look forward to the next two years as the conservative movement grows bigger and bigger as more people wake up and realize you cant get a whole bunch of stuff for free and then make others pay for it.

The only thing that worries me is now Barry has a built in excuse for when his policies continue to fail.

Larry you gotta be kidding me. One side does not have a monopoly on good ideas. I think deep down you know that. Don't you?

No.... Democrats, Progressives, Liberals, No - Label (now since they have to change their names yet again), RINOS, moderate and liberal Republicans are all the cause of the problems of this country.

You guys have destroyed the free market, taxed companies out of the country, and turned a sizable portion of the American citizenry a ward of the federal government.

Companies taxed out of the country! Hahahaha, that's a good one Larry. They aren't taxed out of the country, they are rewarded with $ for moving jobs overseas. That's right Larry, policies enacted by your repub heroes (along with their blue dog collaborators) actually pay companies to move our jobs overseas. But what the hey, it's still job creation, right? It just tends to be in Asia.

or it folds like a wet taco Larry.

iNDY..... WHEN bARRY LOSES THE ELECtion in 2012 are you going to blame Bush for that too?

0bummercare is one of the biggest reasons that companies are not hiring people. Companies aren't willing to take the risk yet that 0bozocare will be repealed or declared unconstitutional. Once that piece of garbage is on the trash heap of history companies will start to hire again.

Patrick,

Yes thats it . I just hate the Half White man that is in the Oval Office.

Pathetic...

Do not feed the trolls.

Aww...but it's fun reporting each of his comments to the admin!

Hahah...

what you are reporting this comment for calling Obama a half White man. LOLOLOLOL..

Gee. I wonder what ol' Grand Pooba Joseph will do if I call Obama a half Black man? lol

Nerdy and Moffet need to get a life.

What is amazing to me is that as many people who ran against Piglosi in the Nov 2nd election including many in her own party that she still voted for herself to be Speaker of the House. Someone needs to take the moron aside and tell her that she got "shellacked" As a matter of fact - for the first time in over 60 years the house changed parties after only 4 years. Nice job Nancy.

Nancy is not my favoriteperson, but she deserves credit for her success's and accomplishments.

Salt Grass. Glad you acknowledge success even if she wasn't your favorite.

This isn't addressed to you Salt Grass. I realize not everyone likes Nancy Pelosi but I do not recall ever seeing anyone post why they didn't like her beyond the nasty witch, botox, anti-female, anti-liberal, she's divisive chatter. Other than the botox comments, the haters said the same thing about Hillary Clinton and other women in power or seeking power. My guess is that for many Pelosi haters, there is no real reason; that if asked, they could not list a legitimate reason beyond name calling or personal attacks. The same can be said about Boehner or Palin haters. If Nancy Pelosi shed as many tears as John Boehner has, they would have called for her resignation saying she was emotionally unstable. Guess it boils down to my thinking there is a double standard regarding men and women in powerful positions--women are ridiculed for being "aggressive" and tough; aggressive, tough men are called "assertive" and applauded for their strong will.

For me it was her personality or the persona that I saw on an interview on Meet The Press. I encourage women to be strong and self supportive, but she has little to much San Fran persona. While I tilt a little left, she was a little to much left coast.

Salt Grass

Nanci Pelosi did sometimes sound like she was talking to a kindergarten class.
Her facial expressions on camera during the State of the Union speech were also priceless.
She got us healthcare reform, however, and I will forever been grateful for that.

Looks like Boehner will continue to supply the entertainment factor, I wonder if being a bit of a character is a requirement for Leader?

I think that most of the people up in DC have a some megalomania tendencies. Her facial expressions may be a sign of a medical condition called Parkinson disease. So I over looked that aspect.

The 0bummercare that you think nancy piglosi got you is never going to be implemented. SCOTUS will either rule it unconstitutional or the new admin in the first half of 2013 will repeal it. It is a horrible piece of legislation that would bankrupt the country.

No quid pro quo there?