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Subscribe to RSSIs it possible that both Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels DON'T run for president in 2012?
In an interview with a local Indiana news outlet, Daniels didn't sound like someone who's running for the White House.
Daniels said his wife, Cheri, and their four daughters — all grown and three married — are wary of the intense media scrutiny that can descend upon a candidate’s family.
“It scares them to death,” Daniels said. “And it should.” (Hat tips: Ben Smith and GOP12.)
A lengthy Weekly Standard profile of Daniels from last summer explains why his family might not be eager for him to run.
When the oppo researchers and the national press do get around to opening up Daniels’s life for inspection, they will find a few embarrassments. One is his arrest in 1970 for marijuana possession when he was a student at Princeton. He spent two nights in jail and paid a $350 fine, and later wrote about the bust in a column for the Star in 1989. More painfully, he and his wife Cheri divorced in 1994. She moved to California, leaving Daniels with the four daughters, aged 8 to 14, and married a doctor. She divorced again and moved back to Indiana. She and Mitch remarried in 1997.
Cheri has never spoken about this publicly, and from what I can tell it’s been mentioned in print only twice. Daniels’s only comment was to the Indianapolis Star in 2004: “If you like happy endings, you’ll love our story.”
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HAHAHA!
Appears Mitch & his Klan might not be as squeaky clean as some would like us to believe!
Oh... and that hissing sound you hear is the air whooshing out of Dr. No's tires... lmao!
Good Afternoon Feisty:
Yes, Mitch does have a lot of skeletons in his closet. No surprise here. You are right that the fraud named No Jo is completely clueless about Mitch running for POTUS. Barbour realized his KKK comments and his free state-paid-for plane rides were a No-No. So before it starts, the field of contenders is getting smaller. It's already feeling like 2012, but let the pot simmer so voters can feel some real regret over their last TP vote.
Again, Ron, you seem to be in a very tiny minority in your state.
Daniels was re elected in 2008 by more than sixty per cent of the electorate, while Obama barely squeaked by McCain.
Seems to me that you are very, very worried that he will run, because you know he will win.
I,myself, am doing what I can to convince him to go for it. By the way, did you know that there is an online petition to draft him? Being run by college students for Daniels. The organizer registered to vote for the first time in 2008- as a democrat. He WAS a big Obama supporter.
Kindnof like I was a Carter supporter. . .
I don't understand...why the comparisson between Obama's win in 2008 and Daniels' win in 2008?
Both were on the ballot at the same time.
Both won election in a high turn out election.
Ron, here, continually states that Daniels is unpopular, people hate what he is doing to the state, blah, blah, blah. I bring it up to show him that he is relatively alone in his opinion.
Get it now?
HaHa! Feisty, my thoughts too!. It seems ol' Mitch hasn't consulted with the guru of right wing forecasts...perhaps nojo needs a new crystal ball or a new broom....whatever it takes to keep the amusement ongoing.
Happy New Year to you and all my friends here.
Hey Ron -- Is it just me or does Dr. No seem a wee bit more miserable than usual today?
Poor thing...! WHOOOOSH!
Hiya Gingerbread - good to see and Happy New Year to you as well!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
And the White House is the new front porch for a bunch of angry, disgruntled, HATEFUL black people! PERIOD!
How's that sound, Feisty? Does that statement sound hateful? I think it does. But no more hateful than your statement.
Think about it girl.
“while Obama barely squeaked by McCain”
Yet Obama won by the largest margin since Reagan defeated Mondale in 1984 !!
What BS you all want to promote. Have you all forgotten the media attention given to Jackie kennedy and her brood before and after JFK's assasination? Or to princess diana and her brood. and the list can go on...
Something to hide? really fiesty? Perhaps but not likely considering the scrutiny the media puts politicians and their families under. Why wouldn't a politician be concerned about their families opinions and even their wishes of privacy?
Well the media hounds have been released and there is still plenty of time for decisions to be made.
I am of the opinion that things done or said more than 25 (actually it should be 10)years ago should be off limits. I don't care what party the candidate belongs to. So this guy smoked a little pot 40 years ago, Obama snorted a little coke a long time ago. Unless the person is an addict what does it matter. Who cares, what are they capable of today. Now you can't expect to be smoking dope and snorting coke in the last 5 years and get elected thats a different story
Fiesty-
regarding Daniels, one of the main reasons he was re-elected was NOT because he was so popular, but because the other party did not have a worth while candidate. There were MANY I know that wanted to vote for someone else.
Since being re-elected, Daniels and his GOP legislative partners pushed thru a referendum process that put people on the unemployment line well before the national economy crashed when his former boss "Duyba" was in office AND will keep our state economy depressed long after the national economy has recovered.
Having another Bush Republican back in office would be A DISASTER.
I was really hoping I would not see any backbiting, name calling or snarky comments for a short while. Instead they start off from the very first thread. WELL HAPPY F$%#@$%G NEW YEAR!!
Mark n Indy: You are absolutely correct. The Dems did not put up a credible candidate.
In terms of skeletons, Daniels was Bush 41's Director of Budget. During his tenure there, the City of New Orleans obtained a federal grant to replace their pumps, including portable generators in case of flooding. Daniels scratched the generators so the corp of engineers tied the new pumps to the existing electric grid. Then came Katrina, the power grid went down, the pumps did not work, and lives were lost. It would not take much investigating reporting to verify these comments.
@Ron... thanks for the information. No unnecassery name calling too (a twofer!!)
No Jo #1.2
Daniels wins with 60% and Obama just squeaks by....
Well - McCain won his Senate reelection with 76% in 2004 - how did that work out for him in 2008?
Well at last I get the oportunity to apologize to Fiesty Readhead. Sometime back I jumped the gun and fired a shot at you that you absolutely did not deserve. Mostly because I had seen you on the Fox propaganda opinion and thought you were riding with their strawstack of clay pigeons firing at us. Later I found you on another page and I really felt bad about what I said. Again, I am very sorry for that.Now I read every comment you make. They are usually straight forward and to the point. Hoping you will accept my apology. Thank you.
No apologies necessary Bob!
All's fair in 'love & war'! lol
PS: For the record, I wouldn't be caught dead over at Faux & Freaks - too much hate... too little time! ;o)
Governor Daniels has a right to be worried. A Democrat, and especially a liberal Democrat , can expect to get a pass from the media. That won't happen with a conservative Republican, the media will be all over his/her background. Do recall that the media in 2008 sent hundreds of reporters to Alaska to find any dirt they could on Palin, but couldn't even be bothered to send one to Chicago to followup on any Reverend Wright or Bill Ayers questions that popped up during the 2008 election.
You really do live in an alternative universe dontcha hon?
Yeah... we didn't watch 3 weeks of NON-STOP looping on EVERY media outlet of the Reverend Wright did we?
Or how about Grama Grizzly firing up the stuck on stupid crowd with 'pallin around with terrorists' to the point that some of the 'rubes' we're screaming 'kill Obama'!
Nah... never happened did it?
You my dear are dumber than a box of rocks & given your comments of Friday about blacks are a racist to boot!
Don't worry dear - that will be 'our' little secret m'kay?
Let's imagine the media reaction to a republican who would not release his or her college transcripts.
Or misstated how many states were in the United States.
Or campaigned on scrutinizing earmarks, vetoing bill with earmarks, and then rammed through two separate bills, (omnibus spending and the infamous stimulus bill), containing tens of thousands of earmarks collectively.
Who insisted, repeatedly, that almost a trillion dollars of borrowed money would go to shovel ready jobs, then admitted there actually were no such things.
Or that the almost trillion would produce 600,000 new jobs during the summer of 2009- but, of course, that never happened.
Or that the summer of 2010 was the 'summer of recovery', which also never happened.
Who said, repeatedly, that HCR would reduce costs, but, when confronted with RISING costs, admitted that 'we knew that would happen'.
Who faced every crisis with all the competence and aplomb of a deer in headlights.
Who insisted that a new START treaty needed to be ratified right this minute- only to have revealed the pesky fact that the Russians plan to get to it, sometime, maybe this year, maybe not.
These are but a few of the more egregious examples of the double standard in reporting in this country. There are plenty more.
So, sure the Daniels family is worried. Since he is a republican, the media could turn their wedding anniversary date into something controversial, not to mention revealing such life altering events as one of his daughters throwing a temper tantrum in a supermarket when she was two years old. You know, stuff that matters.
Meanwhile, any democrat could strangle a puppy on national television, and it would be greeted with 'nothing to see, move along here'.
Inside the Beltway, it is more important to be with the cool kids than to save the country. I hope the Daniels family decides that they will take on the overaged high school clique, and save this nation.
What ever happened to the Republican mantra, "If you've got nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear." ?!?!
Recall the media uproar when gas hit $2.50 a gallon? Who was in office at that time? Well, it was George W. Bush. And the media demanded to know what was George W. Bush doing about the rising price of gas? The media of course went of on the tangent of, "Well, of course gas is going up, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are paying off their oil buddies!". It was relentless.
Gas is now well over $3 a gallon. Anyone hear anyone in the "media" demand what Obama is doing about it?
< crickets >
Can JohnB call them or WHAT?
Dr. No is as regular as clock work! lmao
no joe, no bo, nj
It never fails to amaze me how much you personally dislike our President.
Didn't release his transcripts? The guy was editor of the Harvard Law Review, they don't give that position to failing students. Faces crises like a deer in the headlights? What are you talking about? I think he has behaved admirably in every crisis that has come up. The guy is intelligent, even -keeled and remarkably generous towards Republicans. I've never seen a better American President and I am 52.
Ooooooooo...big, bad, scary lamestream media!
"Doo-doo! DOO-DOO! Gonna put it on you!"
Well, Amy, I will not dispute your opinion about the way Obama handles any crisis. You are entitled to it.
However, I have a problem with his pattern. For each and every unexpected circumstance, his response is, first, nothing. Three days later, some inane, inarticulate nonsense. One week later, the same, with an explanation. Finally, three weeks later, an appropriate response, far too late.
Happens every time.
No Jo,
Hate to make it a laughing matter, but which wedding anniversary would they descend upon?:)
We all have to remember that "Dirt" sells. So unless you are perfect, like Bev, Feisty, Paul, and Da Noid you shouldn't get into politics. Because only the perfect survive:)
Not like Ensign and Vitter didn't get a free pass! And, during the Bush years, gas hit damn near $4 a gallon.
I think we all have a fantasy of what a President should look like, then these human beings run for office and we have to find one that most nearly looks like our ideal.
I saw Mark Warner of Virginia speak in 2008, and he struck me as the kind of person I wanted to be the President. I was so disappointed he dropped his campaign. It shouldn't be so hard for qualified leaders to win higher office. Clearly President Obama is gifted, but he also has that extra ambition that got him through the Rev Wright nonsense, and all that ugliness. His ambition got him through that ordeal, and the projections of people like me pushed him up there too. In a way, that is a part of the job description for a President: can you inspire people and spread optimism? Obama can, and that's why he was elected.
I never claimed to be perfect.
I don't pretend to be, either.
My fiesty - you sure know how to talk sh!t, still hung over from new years weekend or the bears loss?
What planet were you visiting in 2008 JoAnna Smith? President Obama received as much scrutiny by the media, if not more, as the other presidential candidates. The media and the opposition were determined to find something, anything, to bring him down. Apparently you missed the 24/7 loop of Rev Wright, the nonstop birth certificate nonsense, the "bitter" comment beaten to a pulp, the youthful indiscretions discussed, the "he's a Muslim" garbage spewed by the right-wing media; Clinton's revised version of her trip landing "under fire" blanketing the airways for days. The difference is how the candidate handles the scrutiny--with grace and humor or with cranky "blame the media" rhetoric. Seems to me the conservatives blame the media for all things negative, ala Palin, without ever looking in the mirror to see the cause; and they continue to do so. If anything, the media has been obsessed with nitpicking both Candidate and President Obama. It boils down to this: a candidate who has nothing to hide should have nothing to fear from the media; the fewer mistakes a candidate makes, the less there is for the media to scrutinize.
Feisty,
I kept reading how JoAnna got her butt kicked on Friday, what a racist she is. I had to see that. Turns out, you disappoint again - no substance. She was merely railing against the liberal vicarious persecution complex and its effect on the welfare of the black family unit. Sorry, it went over your head. I'm wondering though, what if she had said .......
"I don't feel no ways tired. I come too far from where I started from. Nobody told me that the road would be easy. I don't believe He brought me this far," drawled presidential aspirant Hillary Clinton, mimicking black voice to a black audience, at the First Baptist Church of Selma, Alabama. I'm wondering if Mrs. Clinton visits an Indian reservation she might cozy up to them saying, "How! Me not tired. Me come heap long way. Road mighty rough. Sky Spirit no bring me this far." Or, seeking the Asian vote she might say, "I no wray tired. Come too far I started flum. Road berry clooked. Number one Dragon King take me far."
Commemorating a key point in American history is one thing, but a white person mimicking black dialect is demeaning and insulting. And, if it buys her votes from those in attendance, not much flattering can be said about them.
Wanna call me a racist....stale pale and male racist? That's about all your capable of - the ad homonym stuff. Anyway, that's fine.
But I have to disclose the second and third paragraphs are Walter William's comments. You would probably need to call him an Oreo, or something - he's black. You probably need to read some of his stuff too, he and Thomas Sowell (double Oreo?). They are pretty brilliant, black and write quite a bit about the discrimination stuff. I got a pretty strong feeling JoAnnaSmith's comments wouldn't go over their head, they have been saying the same kinds of things about liberals for years.
Yep, Jody, as usual, you are right on point. It mystifies me the narrative that NJ and poor JoAnna run in their little brains. Do you suppose that if they ever watch the National News at night (and I don't count Fox "News" as part of the real News) all they hear is something like....dolphin chatter?
Here's come Studley Dudley to JS1's rescue.... LOL
Don't feed the trolls!
Yep, AW and FDD.
NO JO
Meanwhile, any democrat could strangle a puppy on national television, and it would be greeted with 'nothing to see, move along here'.
Are you implying MV?
Geeze bob, you're actually asking FRs local Lucy and Ethel to think.
Good luck with that.
Did it take you all afternoon to come up with that poor JoAnna? And don't you have some apologies to make?
And just make it clear, because we know we're dealing with a considerable number of layers of dense-ness, Lucy is the Redhead, and Ethel is her dim-witted neighbor.
Okay Ethel, lets hear the "Poor-[fill-in-the-blank]" routine of yours one more time. It seems to be the only mindless rant you have.
You noticed that too NDD?
Little JoAnna is about as 'clever' as a cockroach!
Where's 'stud muffin' Bobby when she really need em? lol
No kidding, Feisty: JoAnna seems more testy than usual. Do you suppose that smack down she got has anything to do with it? She must still be feeling it.
I'm thinking that proving yourself the 'Village Idiot' on a daily basis will do that you after awhile!
Not to mention having to have Bobble Head Bobby fight her battles for her! lmao!
@johanna, the Rev. was running for Vice President dupo. You have had stupid people, drunks and dopeheads in office so many times that you think everyone should be a member of the Reagan,Bush,Bush clan. Get smart there are some intelligent people still around.
Man what are you talking about? Stupid people. You may not agree with the way people choose to legislate but there are hardly any stupid people that have accended to POTUS and that includes both sides of the fence.
Drunks and dopeheads...I guess that would include Clinton, Obama and a whole slew of past POTUS.
The drunks were Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. The dopehead was Bush Jr. Read the book "Family Secrets" It will really open your eyes.
Hi Feisty
You really do live in an alternative universe dontcha hon?
The chick is whacked. She lives in her own popped off universe. I do mean her own. No body but her goes there.
I'm still thinking about her supposed knowledge of African American people.
Let's ignore her sanctimonious assertions.
I do most of the time Bev because quite frankly she's an idiot - and needs NO help from anyone else in proving so...
She's more than capable of doing a mighty fine job all by herself!
Is there not some code of honor rule about respecting your fellow posters? You know, not indulging in childish personal attacks?
Could somebody let Tyler out of that back room you have relegated him to, and allow him to do his job? Things had gotten better for a while when he was collapsing and suspending people, but they are worse than ever since he has been absent for so long.
But...but..but... wasn't it you that claimed you were against 'collapsing' & suspending?
Or are those rules for when NJNB says so?
Another LIE out of NJNB!
Put on your Granny panties and deal with it!
I am against people collapsing posts simply because they disagree with the content. I have voted to collapse, but usually only if it is advertising, (that gets taken down in record time), or uses racist or homophobic language.
Or, sometimes, is simply mudslinging at other posters.
I have never voted to collapse somebody because they espoused one of Obama's policies, or defended democratic principals in general. I have already told you that I voted regularly to collapse Eric in Salinas- I do not tolerate homophobic remarks from anyone, anytime, in any venue.
That said, this is not the fifth grade. The name calling is tedious, at best. It does not discourage the people it is aimed at- although that is, I am sure, the goal- but it probably turns off those who come here just to read, but not post.
Tyler has a job he would not have if everyone read, understood, and followed the Code of Honor.
First, NJ, You are the LAST person that should be instructing others in courtesy to fellow posters. You are one of the WORST about respect. Second, and I want an answer to this: Harvard Law has confirmed that President Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from their program. In order to enter Harvard Law, you must possess an LSAT score of 169+ and have outstanding undergrad credentials. They don't have to accept people like No Jo, they look for quality. Now, President Obama got into not one Ivy, but two. What on earth are you suspicious about with his college transcript? Or are you, like JoAnna, suspicious because he is black, and therefore could not possibly have the requisite skill to get into a prestigious University. And frankly, if you ignore the question, that alone becomes the answer.
Excellent rebuttal, newdayDawning!
Jody: how do you suppose that NJ gets around the fact that Harvard only accepts about 7-10% of its applicants? Honestly, I cannot fathom the personal hate that NJ and JoAnna have for this President!
I never gave an opinion as to what Obama's transcript looked like- I called attention to the fact that he never signed a waiver for it to be released.
I stand by my assertion that the media would have a field day with any republican who did the same. We would be bored to tears with the daily carping about keeping the records sealed. There would be editorials about the refusal to reveal the information that the public had the right to know. There would be talk of congress enacting laws to cover the eventuality in the future.
You know it is true.
You all would be on that particular bandwagon.
You know that is true, as well.
No, I don't know that it is true, NO JO: that demand has never been made of other Presidents. I have certainly never made it an issue when there was a Republican President, nor would I. There was no outcry for Bush to release his, and I am going to ask you for a cite that he did release it. I don't know if he did or didn't. But YOU bring it up as though there is something that Obama is hiding about his education.
Bush signed the waiver for the release of his transcript- that is how we know he had a C average.
Gore, also, signed the waiver. He, too, had a C average- and was also a legacy admission. He did flunk out of divinity school at Vandebilt- I suspect you did not know because it was given such short shrift by the media. You'd have known all about it if he were, say, a Republican. It would have led the news for weeks.
I honestly do not care what his grades were- but I do care, very much, about the media double standard. They actually have a Canon of Ethics that is supposed to guide them to treat everyone equally- did you know that?
Neither, it seems, do they.
You are conflating the issue once again. In your mind, NJ (and again, I am going to ask you for a cite to support what you say, since I simply do not know if it is true or not that a waiver was signed) the media did its job by demanding in those two cases that grades be released. I have been politically active since 1968, and I know that demand has not been made of other Presidents, except this one, and by a small vocal terminally dissatisfied group. I know what I attribute that to. What do YOU attribute that to since you are in that minority.
Okay, nod, here is one citation
http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html
Please note that itnis from 2000.
Again, this has nothing to do with grades of an individual politician, but with the media double standard.
I am glad that, apparently, you agree with the other points of my post. Who would have believed it? A liberal who agrees with a conservative on eight outnof nine points!
And, I think you are taking issue on this one because you did not understand my point. Let me reiterate- it is not about the grades. It is about the media. There should only be one standard-disclose, or not disclose- that should be applied to anyone from either party.
Hope that clears things up.
N J, I think you have backed off to that being your point. Simply because you want me to give you a pass on this. I don't. Let me reiterate. There was no demand for Bush to release his school records. There was demand that he release information about that DUI, which I thought silly, since we knew he had one, we could judge his character on that. There was demand that he release information on the the National Guard service that he claimed he put in. He refused to do either. The latter was more germane, and I thought it was a legitimate request. However, the demand YOU make of President Obama is with this sneering certainty that he is hiding something, irrespective that Harvard Law has said he graduated Magna. I know what I attribute it to, and I am trying to get you for once to answer a question honesty. What do you attribute a very vocal minority making the demand that Obama release his grades when this simply has not been done before. As to the rest of you post...let me say again...it was worth exactly the time I spent on it. But this issue is simply made by those who have no understanding of admission to elite Universities.
OMG, No Jo, YOU DID IT AGAIN! That citation clearly states that the information was released without permission, no waiver was signed. And by the way, a 1200 SAT would not get you into Harvard these days, legacy or no.
Oh, for crying out loud. The Washington Post story that site mentioned got the grades from his campaign website.
I have had a long day, and am tiredmof playing Alinsky games with you. You want to twist my post into something it was not? Good for you. You have no influence on the people who read this site.
Think I am wrong? Read this
http://news.yahoo.com/page/2010electionsdashboard
Oh. And have a nice night. I will.
Okay, no jo: I have given you every opportunity to behave like you have some credibility. I just read the original story cited in your post. IT IS ABOUT AL GORE, AND SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT HE NEVER RELEASED HIS GRADES! Do you think I am not going to read these things? You are LYING again! There is no other word for it. Why on earth do you do that? And then you go Joe McCarthy and accuse me of playing Alinsky games, whatever the heck that might be, and RUN!
You lose, big time, no jo. If a student had handed me a paper with a cite like that, it would have been an automatic F. Really, and I ask the question you asked earlier. "Have you no shame?"
Nor any credibilty as she demonstrates again & again...
Must be comforting to be a legend in her own mind! lol
Boy, no kidding Feisty, but this was disgraceful!
By the way, guys, his marriage story, though it is really none of your, or our, business, shows that the man is capable of the kind of forgiveness that few others can boast.
Arrested for marijuana use in 1970? That's all you've got?
Have you no shame? Have you no decency?
WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! At least what they wrote is FACTUAL - which we are all well aware of you allergy to FACTS!
Give it a rest. Republicans pummel Democratic candidates over infidelity, drug experimentation and bank accounts all the time. Which party raised "swiftboating" to a fine art, by the way? Hint: it wasn't those nasty Democrats.
Mirror ,Mirror, on the wall who is the biggest twit in the world...you nojo, you just cant get your thoughts straight you make wild claims about people you don't know. You claim to be an expert on just about everything, and when challenged you turn nasty. So, if you cant take 'right back at you' talk, dont start what you cant stop.
Dont write checks your butt cant cash!!! That should be your New Year's resolution.
I LOVE it Gingerbread Mamma!
You summed Dr. No up perfectly! ;o)
The point is that he won't be able to make it out of the Republican primaries because of the litmus test that he will have to pass ( is he conservative enough ?) add in the other news and another good candidate for POTUS bites the dust - killed by his own party.
By the way, its OK to have divorced or done drugs waaaay back in the day, the PROBLEM is that aspects of the Republican party consider themsleves to be the moral majority and when you hold real people up to made-up moral standards, you find that to 'err is human', which goes against the entire concept of litmus tests and holding others to moral standards.
It sucks, but that is what the party has become..a party of exclusivity
no joe, no bo, nj
Let's imagine the media reaction to a republican who would not release his or her college transcripts.
Hey Miss Jane Marple
How 'bout you doing some research before you start getting sanctimonious? Um . . I know you're busy portraying the President as other. But, The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) (20 U.S.C. § 1232g; 34 CFR Part 99) is a Federal law that protects the privacy of student education records.
http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html
Were you so diligent about Georgie Boy's transcripts? Of course, it should not matter everyone knows he is a dummy.
Bush signed the waiver to release his transcripts- that is how we knew his grades. So did Gore, by the way, so that is how we know he took exactly one college level science class. It was environmental science, and he earned a grade of D- which makes his expert status as a climatologist somewhat specious.
By the way, I do recall that Gore's grades were about par with Bush's. I also recall that Bush finished graduate school, while Gore did not. It was something of an example of media double standard that Bush's grades were constant fodder for commentary, while gore's were ignored.
By the way, NJ, Bush also said he was a legacy admit to Yale, and in those days Yale was easier to get into then the Ivy League is today. I know that you know EVERYTHING there is to know, but being admitted legacy status is sort of, well, affirmative action for the mental midget sons and daughters of the well to do.
no joe, no bo, nj
If ever there was a flawed family man, it was Bill Clinton. Al Gore is not someone I would describe as "likeable," in fact, he toured our state once after an ice storm, and I suddenly felt what it must be like to live in a third world and visited by a foreign leader. He was not a great comforter.
But the truth is, both of these men have made significant contributions in their fields. The public recognizes their achievements. George W. Bush, on the other hand, regardless of the soundness of his values, his marriage, or his grades in school, oversaw a decade of economic disasters, a ballooning federal deficit, an assault on science, and a loss of esteem in the eyes of the world. The characterization of him as less than bright, may be unfair, but, I think, it's short hand for the fact he was not a good President.
Newday:
You keep jumping on the Obama bandwagon. First of all Obama is not your average everyday blackman. There are very smart blackmen in this country that will never become POTUS. There are blackmen that have achieved more accolades than Obama ever would have prior to his presidency, but will never become POTUS.
Point blank he is the right type of blackman that the whites whom voted for him can accept. I guarantee if his mother was an unwed, nappy-headed, ghetto fabulous, past felon, dark blackwoman he would not be POTUS.
As much as you would want to deny it. It is the truth and I just spent the holidays surrounded by African American liberals in the family and they all agree on this issue.
newday - what dribble - Bush also graduated from harvard as well. Did obama also benefit from affirmative action?
Bush 43 was not stupid, he was and remains incurious; he never sought to know what he didn't care to know even if he needed to know it. Bush 43 just wanted to be President but he failed to lead wisely, it was his way or the highway. He never listened to those who spoke a differing view. Bush had potential but he squandered it. His father, on the other hand, was a smart man who used his intelligence wisely, he was curious to know all the facts before making difficult decisions, he listened to those with opposing views. Reagan was not particularly intelligent but was street smart enough to surround himself with smart people and smart enough to listen to those people. Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar, he used his intelligence wisely, he sought common ground, and listened to others. President Obama is highly intelligent, with a curious mind that seeks to know more, seeks as much information as is available before making decisions. Someone does not have to be brilliant to be president, but every great president must be wise; every good president must be smart enough to know what they don't know and listen to those who do know.
IntheMiddle, TX
Your post reminded me of a funny line from a female comedian, Wanda Sykes:
" oh, the Black people are all excited to vote for Barack Obama, the first Black President, but if he gets in and it doesn't work out, it'll be: what's up with that half white guy?!"
Poor Barack!
What is he did? So what ?
There are many people who have benefited from affirmative action - not just blacks, but many women of all races. When whites are hired for a job in part because they "look like everyone else", isn't that a 'affirmative action' as well? It's been going on for years and will continue to do so well after we are all dead and gone.
Based off of Bush's grades, it appears that he got into Harvard based on his family's version of "affirmative action". John McCain graduated near the bootom of his class and still got to fly fighter aircraft ( which is unheard of ). His fathers' position in the Navy was a great boost.
Affirmative action" gives someone a chance that they wouldn't normally have - they can still screw it up you know.
Bush parlayed his 'affirmative action' pass from Harvard to the White House
McCain didn't do so bad himself
I have no idea if Obama got into Harvard under 'affirmative action' but again, Elena Kagan and Clarence Thomas can probably line up as having reached their current positions via 'affirmative action'. This doesn't mean that they aren't good at their jobs or diminsh any of their accomplishments.
I don't get your point - or was it just a snide remark ?
pablo - What IS your point? If new day wants to try and be clever in her rhetoric why not ask her to clarify her thoughts and rhetoric?
Regardless of "admission standards" or "grades", Bush graduated from harvard as did obama.
american: this IS a consummate waste of my time since you do not have the knowledge or capability to understand what I am talking about with regard to the Ivy League in the 60's v 90's. Here is the difference, and I write this for others who WILL be able to get this: Bush graduated at a time when there was grade inflation to keep the scions of the elite out of Viet Nam. Simply that. He would not be admitted Ivy today, nor would he withstand the rigors of the education. The Ivy League is a very different place to be now, and certainly was when Obama was there.
Bush went to Yale
Paul: Didn't he get an MBA from Harvard? I simply don't remember.
You are correct. YALE 64-68.
Thanks
Who the hell is this Daniels, and why does he think he would be a good president? What either one of these men, think they can do for the American people? The Republicans so far, has no one who I think would do a better job then Obama. But some Americans, treat our elections like the American Idol show. They might elect a person like Sarah Palin, just to be doing something. If this is so, I think 2012 will be the end of the world as we know it. We will be in big trouble. We will destroy ourselves, that is what these Republicans will take us.
One might ask the same question about jimmy carter in the 70's or obama in 2006. Neither party had much to offer for president.
This is penny ante stuff! It's also why I'm surprised ANYONE wants to run for ANYTHING this side of a foot race. Daniels has, to the best of my knowledge, never been a sanctimonious blowhard. I'll give him a pass on this. Let's get into something meaty - like the economics of selling the Indiana Toll Road. Any damn fool with a present value calculation can mortgage a stream of income for money now. Prove to me that you did something more than that!
wonder if the law still stands that says if federal funds were used on public roads, tolls could not be applied?
Does the license agreement give indiana a good income stream?
Wasn't the income stream sold?
my understanding is that Indiana only licensed out the rights to maintain and operate the tollway. Licensing implies a fee paid for that right. I am sure the toll charges go to the lessee, but not sure how Indiana handled the licensing contract.
I can certainly understand not wanting to put your family under that kind of microscope. I can't imagine anyone that would.
But honestly...of the two things mentioned, I really don't have a problem with either one. I think that most politicians should get a pass for things they may have done in college and earlier. President Obama has admitted to some youthful transgressions and I don't hold them against him. I judge him on his policies. And as for the marriage thing...I have to throw out a so what? OK...so their marriage fell apart, they got back together and made it work. I think that's actually fairly impressive.
I agree, putting ones self or family under the intense scrutiny of today's high tech politics requires a deep desire to be president or an intense sense they can offer something better to voters. I really didn't care whether or not Clinton "inhaled" or Bush 43 drank way too much for years. I do think that most youthful transgressions are excusable and irrelevant.
Some think that what someone says or writes in their youth is also irrelevant. I agree provided that person has spoken or written things showing that view has evolved over time. In other words, if someone spoke or wrote racist comments in the past but have done nothing to show they no longer feel that way then what they said or wrote is relevant--we need to know their real views, not the ones they recently revised to sound good on the campaign trail.
Jody...I couldn't agree more. I mean seriously...if I ran for President, someone would surely bring up that I was thrown out of my high school basketball game once...that my son got a 15 yard personal foul penalty in his pee wee football game last year...that my other son once collected $300 instead of $200 for passing GO in a game of Monopoly...that my wife used an expired coupon while buying groceries ten years ago. And away would go my chances of capturing the nomination!! LOL! ;-)
Hey, Grimey, do you remember a Bush I Supreme Court nominee named Douglas (I think) Ginsberg? Bush withdrew the nomination when his marijuana use in college became public knowledge. I thought withdrawing the nomination was absurd. I'm sure I'd've found some objection to him, but, if you were to disqualify everyone from public life who fired up a doob between 1965 and 1980, you'd disqualify a helluva lotta bright, competent people!
IntheMiddle, TX
Newday:
There are very smart blackmen in this country that will never become POTUS. There are blackmen that have achieved more accolades than Obama ever would have prior to his presidency, but will never become POTUS.
Point blank he is the right type of blackman that the whites whom voted for him can accept. I guarantee if his mother was an unwed, nappy-headed, ghetto fabulous, past felon, dark blackwoman he would not be POTUS.
As much as you would want to deny it. It is the truth and I just spent the holidays surrounded by African American liberals in the family and they all agree on this issue.
Sounds like you have a Master Slave disciple complex. Obama's mother ,may her soul RIP. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE President being elected. He was able to inspire people except those stepping fetch -its who are afraid of the master.
BTW: is Colin Powell's or Condeleeza mother white? What about Michael Steele? You can come up with some of the most hateful things to say.
I bet you hate yourself.
Beverly:
I speak the truth and you know it. You know damn well you hear this in your surroundings too. Inspiration had nothing to do with it. His mother had a lot to do with it. I stand by my statements. You speak of Powell, Rice and Steele and all have been trashed by their own race relentlessly. They all achieved enormous success but none will be POTUS. Powell had a shot but would have been trashed by liberals and called a "House N...." by liberal blacks.
I don't agree with Obama but you can't find one time in here where I have ever called hm out of his name.
BTW: I love myself and life and aren't you the pot calling the kettle black.
IntheMiddle, TX
Beverly:
I speak the truth and you know it. You know damn well you hear this in your surroundings too. Inspiration had nothing to do with it. His mother had a lot to do with it.
Powell had a shot but would have been trashed by liberals and called a "House N...." by liberal blacks.
I don't agree with Obama but you can't find one time in here where I have ever called hm out of his name.
BTW: I love myself and life and aren't you the pot calling the kettle black.
First of all IntheMiddle, TX,
I am not surrounded by people who live in the 17th, 18th, 19th, early 20th, and Jim Crow era. In fact, I have never, ever, heard a statement amounting to – “I guarantee if his mother was an unwed, nappy-headed, ghetto fabulous, past felon, dark blackwoman he would not be POTUS”.—which is what you said. Your supposition is straight out of the “peculiar institution’s” (slavery) mentality. You know those times when the mulatoo was favored over the dark skinned individual. Some even got to break their backs in the“Big House” providing of course, they weren’t too rebellious. Now, I’ve heard some Blacks challenge whether the President is “black enough”. but never, ever, a debate about the President’s skin tone. You epitomize the values of plantation politics. The year is 2011 we don’t need no more backwards thinking.
I’m not white but I assuming those whites voted for him did so based upon his ability to motivate and his progressive views. Some may have even wanted to revel in historically choosing a competent, determined, courageous, African American as well. Many whites wanted Colin Powell to run. His wife didn’t because she feared of the white, racist, backlash and his life. To me President Obama is a courageous leader because he accepted the challenge. I’m almost sure he knew his life and ideas could be on the line. Yet, he never backed down. So be careful, be very careful. Spinmeister when you start speculating, you nourish racist notions and help set this country backwards. Racist love people like you who kow-tow to the philosophies and attitudes they espouse of docile black people. Docile black people legitimize the notion of Blacks being incompetent, not having any intellectual, and social development; thereby unable to lead. In reality it’s those racist who are uneducable. President Obama does fit into that niche. He is deliberative, listens, and then makes his decision for what he thinks is best for this country. There are many who don’t understand why. If the president did what every one with an opinion said, believe many have them, especially; tea baggers, can you imagine what an imbecile he’d look like and be? Leaders who are Black lead (I’m only referencing blacks because black skin color and leadership is what we’re discussing) and many do NOT have a white mother.
I can sincerely say based upon the mean things you’ve said in the past, which I’m not going to go back in the archives to prove, it doesn’t matter if you name called or not. You have bashed this President and democrats for every chance you get.
Ignorance and self-loathing knows no color. It appears you do not love the skin you’re in.
Docile black people legitimize the notion of Blacks being incompetent, not having any intellectual, and social development; thereby unable to lead. In reality it's those racist who are uneducable. President Obama does NOT fit into that niche. He is deliberative, listens, and then makes his decision for what he thinks is best for this country. There are many who don't understand why. If the president did what every one with an opinion said, believe many have them, especially; tea baggers, can you imagine what an imbecile he'd look like and be? Leaders who are Black lead (I'm only referencing blacks because black skin color and leadership is what we're discussing) and many do NOT have a white mother.
bev - In a december 2010 survey it was found that...
"In general, do you think things in the nation are headed in the right direction, or have they gotten off on the wrong track". 27% responded yes, 66% responded no and 7% responded not sure.
http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/roCNPdHQmpfc
Taking that and novembers vote results is hardly a ringing endorsement of obamas leadership skills, thought processes or verbal communication skills.
Seems that he has (at least in the lame duck session) shown a willingness for political compromise and that he is currently reading up on reagans biography. Hmmmmm?
His actions in 2009 and 2010 won't get him re-elected in 2012, but how he purports himself in 2011 and 2012 may.
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/12/fineman-what-went-wrong-for-obama-and-the-dems.html?GT1=43002ml
BTW - you make quite a leap in stating...
Who or whom do you include in the category of racists?
Well, american-
Like I said everyone has an, opinion, I find that Howard Fineman's seem to vacillate. He does need to fill in the space for the magazine.
The jury is still out...
Mixed Reactions to Republican Midterm Win, Policies
November 11, 2010
Fewer people today say they are happy about the Republican victory, approve of the GOP's plans for the future, and far fewer believe Republicans will be successful in getting their programs passed into law.
Most Americans (55%) say that Republican leaders in Congress should work with Barack Obama, even if that disappoints some of their supporters(62%) want Obama to cooperate with GOP leaders, even if that disappoints some Democrats. (62%) want Obama to cooperate with GOP leaders, even if that disappoints some Democrats.
On balance, more Americans say that Obama, rather than Republican congressional leaders, should take the lead in solving the nation's problems.
Nearly half (49%) say President Obama should take the lead, compared with 30% who say GOP leaders.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1798/poll-less-enthusiasm-gop-2010-victory-policy-more-negative-campaign-no-compromise
Who or whom do you include in the category of racists?
That's easy. even you should know it's birthers most teabaggers Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Jan Brewer, Michelle Malkin , Ann Coulter, Micheal Savage, Dinesh D’Souza, Newt Gingrich, Haley Barbour, Tucker Carlson, and racist Fox News mis-information unrepentant bigot, Sean Hannity.
As well as these butt licking African Americans: Clarence Thomas, Jesse Lee Petersen, Erick Rush, Armstrong Williams that West guy in Florida and all those @ss wipers who blog on WBD and human events. Don't get me wrong I and others can/ will criticize the President. But, these idiots go way yonder behind the pale.
The list is longer but I think you'll get the picture
Fox Attacks: Black America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY04gIruZ4E&feature=channel
Butt licking Jesse Lee Peterson video clips
Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson Thanks God and America for Slavery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jfKHmMv-Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdrQUauLIHU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgpVQvqD1vQ
Aunt Jemima Project 21's Deneen Borelli Disputes Tea Party Race Bias
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS07pPDuna8
Hey Duneen, have you ever heard of "the last one hired and first one fired"? I’ll bet you are a proud Black female tea bagger and don’t see racism. Yours is the only black face I see there.
Memo To Sean Hannity and Fox News: If you want to use blacks to disparage other blacks, please select “pretty looking” ones. An ugly Auntie-Tom will never “convince” any person of color. Deneen Borelli can rightfully criticize the black community like many of us do, for we are not perfect — but joining Republican bigots in doing so, is utterly despicable.
Oh, american-2051576 I forget the black traveling minstrel Lloyd Marcus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkWQ4uolB8Q
And that's WND not WBD
http://www.wnd.com/commentary
Bravo, Beverly!
bev - didn't like the bloomberg poll? You were the one that originally cited it.
Appears that obama has taken finemens observations to heart for 2011.
u-tube videos - edited soundbites don't prove fox racism
Rev peterson - subtle spin by tyt commentator to deflect the application of "immoral"
Peterson voices an opinion on obamas intents, so that makes him a racist?
Again, duneen questions what constitutes a racist question, but you say she is one?? Seems that she shows the ability to think for herself. wheras all you see is a black face and what would appear to be conspiracies
"last one hired, first one fired" isn't that the mantra of unions and their supporters? Ever go to a lawyer with a potential race discrimination issue only to have the lawyer say "if you were any race but white I would take on the case" Was the lawyer a racist? No, just knew how the courts looked at reverse discrimination.
Your last comment in post #10.5 shows your own contempt, bias and racism towards anyone not of your opinion. BTW - are you the local leader of the KKK in chicagoland?
It does look like you are trying hard to become FR's #1 contender for the 2011 'siasd' award just as you were in 2010.
After his family has seen all the lies about Present Obama, it is no wonder famailies don't want to run. The media is no help. Americans beleive our President is a Kenyan Born Mulsim socialist, thanks to the media. What ever happened to the 5th estate?
This 'socailist' president has create 1.1M private sector jobs (more than the entire 8 Bush years) and has seen the markets grow more than any other President in History (my own 401K is fully rcovered from what Bush did to it). If this is socailism, can i have some more?
Isn't he?
nadeem - BS
Dow has grown under obama more than under any other president? - WRONG. When you start on the down hill slide there is nothing left but to hit bottom and work ones way back to the top regardless of president.
More jobs added than during the entire bush tenure, again when on a downhill slope the only thing one can do is hit bottom and work back up to the top. Want to see two divergent takes on the matter check these out...
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/249516/job-creation-bush-vs-obama-veronique-de-rugy
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
Just goes to show, opinions are just like azzholes, everyone has one. BTW - other than obama retaining/creating government jobs where are the private sector jobs? Apparently no one was offering "shovel ready" jobs to pay the taxes required to pay for the government workers salaries being added by obama.
Don't know about obama being "muslim", but I am sure his father had an influence on his beliefs.
This is a stretch. How can you say this when President Obama's father was an absentee father and had no influence in his life? This statement makes no sense!
There are a lot of absentee fathers that have had tremendous influence on their children. What do you say about those fathers that have been locked up for most of the childs life and the kid just follow suite. That is influence indirectly.
Sick of the bickering...Fiesty is of the liberal ilk who believe everyone is entitled to an opinion as long as it is the same as theirs...
I just wish someone who was arrested for posession of marijuana would stand up to the bastards and admit that it is harmless when compared to good ole legal alcohol.