And isn't it strange, how that nontorversy suddenly ended around Nov. 2nd? Phonies and then some, those righties.

Wrong - o, drive by- it was the MEDIA that lost interest.

Let's test your knowledge:

How much money are the people behind the mosque asking the federal government for in order to construct this?

How deep was Bloomberg's involvement with the City Council's decision to grant the permits, despite having to overlook state and federal statute requirements that all funding sources be identified BEFORE a building permit can be issued?

Special bonus question: why, exactly, did the media lose interest, considering that this construction became. ORE, not less, controversial?

Look- all I know is, every damned day, on the way home, Hannity was going on and on and on about this nonsense. It stopped after Nov 2. Yes, THAT Hannity. The one that has the cute-sy promo that says "the Stop Obama, Pelosi and Reid Express is comming to a halt. Phase One, complete."

Last time I checked, Omama, Pelosi and Reid were all still on the job.

Anyway, I know- now I'M the one changing the subject (kind of), but couldn't resist. You gotta admit- Fox and all the other 'NOT-in-the-mainstream' media ran with this Mosque story a lot more than other outlets.

BTW- "Wrong - o, drive by- it was the MEDIA that lost interest."

You failed to specify that it was the RIGHT WING media. The 'normal' media wasn't so caught up in this on a 24/7 footing. Kind of like 'terrorists following us home'. Wonder how long it will take for THAT one to resurface in light of the approacing presidential elections? (But, it might not, too: MORE acts of terrorism on our own soil have been thwarted during this administration's watch. than the last one)

rive-by-observer

You failed to specify that it was the RIGHT WING media. The 'normal' media wasn't so caught up in this on a 24/7 footing

Yeah right MSNBC, CBS, CNN, etc. Real "right-wing-propaganda outlets." lmao

I just love how you libs NEVER answer any questions put to you like the ones in njnb's post. Just side-step, side-step. You should be on DWTS.

(But, it might not, too: MORE acts of terrorism on our own soil have been thwarted during this administration's watch. than the last one)

Amazing isn't it, how those "freedon killing" security laws and agencies installed under BUSH have made that happen. But don't worry I would never expect a lib to say Bush did anything but eat babies and kick puppies. lol

We'd like to give the guy credit, but as you know- we are NOT supposed to talk about him any more.

Those 'shovel ready' jobs were a nice shiny distraction for the Libs to babble about.

Still waiting . . . . . Well, unless we count the ones created on the east coast by the mega-snowstorm.

Obama squatting on a nearly pristine Gulf beach, observing an oil particle the size of half a dime between his nicotine stained fingers. Him standing and turning to the camera and angerly proclaiming "Plug the damn hole". His EPA, taking a break from their Global Warming, ehh, Climate Change crusade, predicting the impending doom, doom I tell'ya, of all life in the Gulf. It was enough of a shiny object for Obama to embezzle $20 billion out of BP. And the Gulf today? Teaming with life. Shiny, shiny life.

JoAnnaSmith1

Obama squatting on a nearly pristine Gulf beach, observing an oil particle the size of half a dime between his nicotine stained fingers. Him standing and turning to the camera and angerly proclaiming "Plug the damn hole". His EPA, taking a break from their Global Warming, ehh, Climate Change crusade, predicting the impending doom, doom I tell'ya, of all life in the Gulf. It was enough of a shiny object for Obama to embezzle $20 billion out of BP. And the Gulf today? Teaming with life. Shiny, shiny life.

Lady, what about...

Bush Tap dancing for oil

http://www.newsgroper.com/files/legacy/ap080305014831.jpg

Bush giggling looking for Bin laden

http://www.rumproast.com/images/uploads/Your_Kids_4.jpg

Bush kissing Saudi Price

http//www.onepennysheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/171-1216121412-BushKissingSaudiPrince.jpg

Bush selling his sole in the Middle East

http://media.photobucket.com/image/bush%20shoes%20thrown/Green-Ink/george-bush-shoes-thrown-1.jpg

Here are the facts

http://www.highsnobiety.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/plus41-cellophane-size-ten-shoe-tshirt.jpg

Now tell me how is this Boy George does not go down in history as a joke and a Fu#k UP?

President Obama has done more than any President since the New Deal.

FYI: The snow is falling. Some villages are disappearing. Asia and Africa are having drought because nothing is falling from the sky.

Hiya Bev!

My advice is to ignore the large mouth a@@!

She's a combination between a troll and an attention whore!

The more no one pays her any attention - the more outrageous the crap that flows from her yap!

Happy New Year my friend!

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Hiya Bev!

She's a combination between a troll and an attention whore!

The more no one pays her any attention - the more outrageous the crap that flows from her yap!

Happy New Year my friend!

Yea, that's right, she's kinda like Palin always screeching a lie and looking for attention; a real media whore.

Happy New Year to you too Girl Friend.

If you haven't already seen it... wonder over to the Haley Barbour releasing of the two woman thread and scroll down to around comment #12...

Ms. Smith got her a@@ kicked and outed herself as a 100% true blooded RACIST!

Stupid broad won't be able to sit down for a week! lmao!

PS: My New Years resolution is to wander into the city one of these weekends and treat you to lunch! I think it's beyond time we got together! ;o)

Feisty

Ms. Smith got her a@@ kicked and outed herself as a 100% true blooded RACIST!

Stupid broad won't be able to sit down for a week! lmao!

Oh no, I knew she was stupid; but not a racist!!! She needed somebody to slap some sense in her. There's nothing upstairs so it really doesn't matter. She should have asked Santa for a brain.

PS: My New Years resolution is to wander into the city one of these weekends and treat you to lunch! I think it's beyond time we got together! ;o)

Tonight, would have been perfect we could have walked over to Rush Street; except my grandson just called. Last New Years we watched the ball drop We were supposed to go to Navy Pier; but Granny was tired. We toasted champagne. I gave him Kadeem sparkling grape juice in his Mickey Mouse champagne glass. He wants to do it again.

You Know what I regret. Procrastinating! I've never been on the Oprah Show. So many times I woukd say I would call for tockets .Never did. In fact, one of her staff members used to dial my number by accident. What was I thinking?

Isn't she gone now to California?

JoAnnaSmith / Beverly and Feisty

The Wise / and Otherwise

It's been fun - see you guys next year.

It HAS been fun!

Peace in the New Year!

notsojingo

It HAS been fun!

Peace in the New Year!

Fun never leaves FR. You ain't seen nothing yet. It gets even better(worst)!!!

My prediction: JoAnnaSmith1, No Jo, and Joe-Albany, bob-1805084, Spanky-, totas, and other righties along with the birthers will continue to stay get off the track. JoAnnaSmith1 will rear her head to try and defend her egregious, unknowledgeable, ugly, racist rants@Barbour's freeing of Mississippi women, any political implications thread. Her lack of knowledge and rants get worse from comment #12 on down.

For Sure,Yea babii!!!!!!!!!!

She was a distraction from serious news, yet there you go Amy talking about her. How's that saying go: no such thing as bad publicity? Seems to be working on the entertainment side - book sales and TV ratings. In fact, I'd like to see a rating comparison of the mightly MSNBC primetime line up (the present Lock up specials excluded of course) with Discovery Channel's Palin show.

Distracting her way to major bank.

Spanky-

She was a distraction from serious news, yet there you go Amy talking about her. How's that saying go: no such thing as bad publicity? Seems to be working on the entertainment side - book sales and TV ratings. In fact, I'd like to see a rating comparison of the mightly MSNBC primetime line up (the present Lock up specials excluded of course) with Discovery Channel's Palin show.

Distracting her way to major bank.

Hey, Spanky
“Palin's latest book is in the bargain bin for 70% off, (the book, not the "author). HA HA

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/enlightened45/michelle-obama-sarah-palin_n_802548_72250683.html

Enlightened people picked up her first book @ church bazzars and barrgain basements for less than $5.00

Sarah Palin's memoir Going Rogue: An American Life has garnered attention in part because of the number of copies sold before publication. But the book has been offered at below-cost prices from major online retailers, and Newsmax has used the book as a loss leader to promote its magazine, potentially inflating the book's sales.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200911160066

While in 2010 the photograph depicts Sarah Palin speaking at an Americans for Prosperity event, In 2009/10, it was rumored that Americans for Prosperity also provided funds for Palin’s “Going Rogue” bus tour.

http://www.themudflats.net/2010/08/24/billionaire-brothers-buy-the-tea-party-sarah-palin-and-alaskas-joe-miller/

The latest campaign records indicate the PAC spent more than $63,000 on what the reports described as "books for Fundraising fulfillment" with payments Going to her publisher, Harper Collins, and to a Virginia direct mail Fundraising business that works with known conservative politicians and commentators..

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/02/02/Palin-uses-Sarah-PAC-to-buy-Going-Rogue/UPI-22191265117201/

Hey Spank

I left you a note @ theTop events/moments of 2010 thread.

Do I need to get a shiny object to get you to shake a tail feather for you to get over there and read it?

Why don't you make it a pre-New Years resolution to read my note to you?

The public option was definitely a bright, shiny object, off in the distant, vaguely mentioned then ruthlessly abandoned. What started off as "the big compromise to single payer" soon degenerated into a crumpled bit of an idea to be disgarded with yesterday's newspaper.

Did you miss me Bev.?

Not following your point here about Palin's book? Are you mocking it because it is in the bargin bin? Do you have any idea how much money she made off that book? I have never written a book, but if I had I doubt I be too troubled when it ended up in the bargin bin. I'd mean 1. it'd already have made a butt load of cash; and 2. it'd allow the poor folk a chance to buy it.

And yes, you will need a shiny object because I am very distractable.

Hey Spank- I have an idea. Why don't you go find a stick, and poke ol' Domenico with it? I'm sure you would be completely surprised by the reaction, considering you seem to be a pretty slow learner....

How did you know I was a slow learner? But I try to so clever. Oh well, there's always next year. So when does that Comcast merger go through?

But I guess I don't get your meaning (again, slow learner here). If I poke him with a stick, why would I be surprised? My thought, and it is admittedly slow, is that somebody else is looking to poke someone else..with a "stick."

There goes Domenico, leading off with O'Donnell. I guess the heart wants what the heart wants. :)

I'm starting to think little Spanks has a thing for Domenico...

His behavior can be described as borderline stalking! lol

Oh and... hands down my vote goes to the death panel bullsh!t!

*pops champagne* *Here's to 2011*!

Let the games begin!

You got me Fiesty, I do have a "thing" for the little guy. I for one am hoping that mean old Chuck T. will allow Domenico to get some TV time when Chuck T. comes back. I really, if they let Luke Russert on TV on this channel how high can their standards be? Luke's greatest accomplishment being his last name.

Now, no fair picking on old man Grassley. You know Grassley- the candidate of the 'let's get rid of the long-termers in Washington' folks. You know- the one that's been there over 30 years, now, and just got sent back for another term?

Is 'Hypocrisy' elegible for 'shiny object' status??

"A rumor propagated by the stupid for the more stupid" as characterized by the very stupid.

(BTW - You do understand that America is not literally a car that was driven into a ditch, right?)

And you do understand that the "Death Panel" lie asked people to believe that the government would literally decide who would live and who would die, right?

Poor bobby=A.W. and FDD.

Hey John,

And you do understand that the "Death Panel" lie asked people to believe that the government would literally decide who would live and who would die, right?

Not at all. I understand that your statement is the Left's stupid literal interpretation of the issue in an effort to marginalize the concerns of the conservatives.

"Death Panel" is a simple allegory to the rationing of health care the same way "the car in the ditch" is a symbolic representaton of the economic collapse. Most adults understand this. The majority of Americans get it. newDaft's too pathologically stupid to get it, but you are bright enough to understand an allegory - if you allow yourself to step away from your liberal selectivity and bias.

You are right, there are "no panels voting you live or die." There are no panels that vote to "pull the plug." Conservatives have concerns and worries about panels, or committees that set end of life guide lines, that in effect will deny the treatment, or "machine" that the plug is attached to.

Of course it would have been nice if conservatives could have expressed these concerns, questioned Dr. Berwick, and had these fears put to rest.

Why would Obama not want a record of testimony to officially put that lie to rest?

But, Obama chose to circumvent all that with the needless recess appointment didn't he? Could have had the hearings, then if Berwick wasn't approved, do the recess appointment.

What other reason was there to do it the way Obama did it other than to avoid those questions?

Quotes from Berwick:

"The decision is not whether or not we will ration care - the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open."

“Any health care funding plan that is just, equitable, civilized and humane must, must redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer."

Yea, no one needs to ask this guy/socialist dr. any questions. No one needs to worry....

And about that redistribution and rationing stuff, didn't Obamacare already pull $500 billion out of Medicare to help pay for the care of others? Aren't Berwick and company pulling expensive drugs that save/prolong lives?

BTW - The 112th Congress will have to start rationing money. Many have expressed a desire to kill Obamacare. If they are successfull in denying funding to Obamacare and it withers away/dies of Court complications or the spread of conservatism in 2012.......

Feel free to use the 112th Congress / "Death Panel" allegory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panels_(political_term)

Feel free to get some.

bob the liar, at it again.

The specter of government-sponsored, forced euthanasia was raised as early as Nov. 23, just weeks after the election and long before any legislation had been drafted, in an outlet with opinion pages decidedly opposed to Mr. Obama, The Washington Times.

In an editorial, the newspaper reminded its readers of the Aktion T4 program of Nazi Germany in which “children and adults with disabilities, and anyone anywhere in the Third Reich was subject to execution who was blind, deaf, senile, retarded, or had any significant neurological condition.”

Noting the “administrative predilections” of the new team at the White House, it urged “anyone who sees the current climate as a budding T4 program to win the hearts and minds of deniers.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14panel.html

It's OK bob, we're used to you making the most transparently false claims of anyone here at FR.

notso,

I haven't ever really paid that much attention to Palin. So.... Sarah says something on her Facebook page using Death Panels as a metaphor, the liberals soak their depends, and it becomes the Left's "Lie of the Year!"

Facebook?

Hilarious. Thanks for the link and laugh.

John,

bob the liar, at it again.

The specter of government-sponsored, forced euthanasia was raised as early as Nov. 23, just weeks after the election and long before any legislation had been drafted, in an outlet with opinion pages decidedly opposed to Mr. Obama, The Washington Times.

And you conclude that the above proves the below (the closest statement I could find to something I actually said that evenly remotely would apply) is a lie, thus makes me a liar?

You are right, there are "no panels voting you live or die." There are no panels that vote to "pull the plug." Conservatives have concerns and worries about panels, or committees that set end of life guide lines, that in effect will deny the treatment, or "machine" that the plug is attached to.

Funny, "the specter of government sponsored, forced euthanasia" never even occurred to me, never even heard of a right wing wacko nut job arguing this. Thanks for the (another of your obligatory) irrelevent, useless links referencing some opinion piece/blog/whatever, though.

If that was an honest attempt to rebute my comments.. heads up - you kinda suck at it.

It's OK bob, we're used to you making the most transparently false claims of anyone here at FR.

In a way, you are right. Not about the Death Panel stuff, but I did say...

newDaft's too pathologically stupid to get it, but you are bright enough ....

After your last post, that part about "you are bright enough" looks pretty much like a "transparently false claim."

Congratulations John! Happy New Year too.

John B: This is what bobby does. He is incapable of taking in facts, preferring his own delusional and paranoid view of the world. The more jealous he is of the abilities of others who post here, the more schoolyard taunts he puts out. It is all about attention, for poor bobby has no interests outside of himself. I feel rather sorry for him. He has told me several times that he will no longer reply to me, but cannot resist taking shots, since that is what cowards do. He is not worth the time. There is no real reason to discuss anything with him, he is incapable of thoughtful discourse. Happy New Year, John!

John,

Sorry about the last post. I had in the previous post tried to be polite and somewhat courteous to you. Your response was to call me a liar and I took a couple shots back at you. Problem was, while I was polite toward you, I did take a shot at your friend and you probably were reacting to that. My bad.

Anyway, till the next time.

newdaft,

The more jealous he is of the abilities of others who post here, the more schoolyard taunts he puts out.

Your right, I am kinda jealous of some of the others. JoAnnaSmith has great comments, is quick, concise and fearless. She could probably get four responses off typing with her middle toes before I get one off. (down Feisty, down) No joe, is great too - and tough. She never loses it even as nasty and unmerciful as some of you guys get over a simple little Christmas poem. Richard, Washington was a great wit, wish I was half that creative. He is very bright too, evidently had the sense to get away from the FR non-sense. And then there's Candice. Great comments with unparalleled grace. Shame she doesn't come around more often.

I feel rather sorry for him.

Yea, yea, yea - I know, that's all you got. You feel sorry for everyone other than your FR buds. Like I've said before, I don't care about your personal problems and pathology - waste your time however you want.

He has told me several times that he will no longer reply to me, but cannot resist taking shots, since that is what cowards do. He is not worth the time.

I remember asking you repeatedly to line out a comment of mine and respond to it, instead of your usual circular sanctimony and pious pity routine. I addressed a comment to no joe one time that you responded to, and said that I was interested in an intelligent comment - that is why it was addressed the way it was. I have said that I was evidently a moron because only a moron would knowingly continue to try to debate a moron. I have said your non answers are a waste of time. Anyway, a coward.. nah, just line out something I actually I said, make a half azz attempt to make a sensible comment, and I'll reply.

newdayDAWNING10

John B: This is what bobby does. He is incapable of taking in facts, preferring his own delusional and paranoid view of the world.

So true, newday and it's not just booby trap.

2011 will be filled with glee for the right wing and the wackiest fiction they call facts. My hope is we Americans will have a healthy and prosperous NEW YEAR. I hope Americans will continue to perk up to all partisan backstabbing from the GOP/TEA BAGGERS ECHO Chamber (Fox Noise. right print media, bogus chain e-mails, toxic radio and TV talk hosts etc ) and repudiate as many right myths as possible. I feel confident of them being repudiated because polls have shown Americans are sick of right wing obstruction and lies.

The more jealous he is of the abilities of others who post here, the more schoolyard taunts he puts out.

As an example, you mentioned in the Morning Roundup: Crystal ball time thread @ #3.8 - Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:27 PM CST

Beverly: could anti-american and thetotas BE more boring? Their problem with you is that they can't keep up. If they could write as well as you do, they would not be so

Thank you, let’s see ‘em top this!

Boehner and Bachman will read the Constitution on 1-6-11? How serious can they be? How dilatory can they be? Like Fox Noise’s Echo Chamber I’ll ask the question for people to decide; then I’ll decide for you like Fox Noise does. Yes, they are undeniably serious and dilatory. I mean they could not be any more retarded by slowing down government the same as the GOP/TEA BAGGERS, did for the past 2 years.

After all, this is the Year of the Rabbit.

According to the Year of the Rabbit -Law and order will be lax; rules and regulations will not be rigidly enforced.

http://www.theholidayspot.com/chinese_new_year/more_zodiacs/rabbit.htm

The GOP/TEA BAGGERS remind of this in serious way; they are serious about slowing progress for America; besides that, their conscious lack of comprehension abounds whenever they claim to be listening to the people.

As if the GOP/TEA BAGGERS follow the Constitution, what will the GOP/TEA BAGGERS’ next hoax be?

Pluzeeee, give me a break. They are not purists.

Likewise, for every time the GOP/TEA BAGGERS cranks up a canard, Father Guido Carducci could give his benediction to their folly about "How to Pay for Your Sins”, for every time the GOP/TEA BAGGERS lie about cranking up responsibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbSZlqKxAE4

They are going no where slowly based on what I heard coming from Senator Lindsey Graham and Senator-elect Pat Toomey this morning on Meet the Press!!!

I trust you're enjoyed your New Year celebrations.

I did Beverly, and I hope you did too. We were snowed in for most of it, blizzard for 3 days, but dug out now. Amazing how fast this area recovers after a storm as big as that one! But, it was nice after the rush of the holidays, and watching the horses come out of the barn this morning was fun. Like kids the first day of vacation, quite a game of tag going on in the new snow for sometime.

It appears that poor bobby is becoming increasingly upset...that last post of his was as far from cogent as any as I have seen. I do enjoy how tightly he is wound.

HAHAHA NDD!

Can you call them or WHAT?

Bobble Head Bobby is so predictable you can set your watch my him... Like a moth to a flame - he keeps attempting to convince us he's relevant HOW? lmao!

Yea, yea, yea - I know, that's all you got. You feel sorry for everyone other than your FR buds. Like I've said before, I don't care about your personal problems and pathology - waste your time however you want.

Bobby makes the CHEWOWA Gang look like a bunch of rocket scientists...! lol

He's a got a WHOLE lot of nothing going on... ;o)

Oh and notice how he considers himself...quite the ladies man? A real Studley Dudley in his own little mind! lmfao!

Good to see ya Bev - GO BEARS!!! *Run Devon Run!

Hey, Feisty: it is quite predictable, is it not? Notice the apology to our friend John: that is typical too. He doesn't mean it, but will attempt to re engage that way. Got off the farm this morning, and into town. Happy about it too. Brunch with cherubs, what could be better?

Glad you managed to get out and about for a change of pace! Cabin fever can get to you after a while ;o)

Me thinks... Bobby the 'stud muffin' argues with himself when we ignore him?

The funniest thing is when Bobby gets his a@@ kicked by the Fact Force he runs away like a little school girl then pops up on another thread like no one noticed! ;o)))

Exactly!

Barry is going to be sorry he so publically disrespected a co-equal branch of the federal govt. when they rule his ClunkerCare HCR violates the Constitution and all Barry can do about is whine and complain because the founding fathers were smart enough to put Supreme Court justices beyond the reach of stupid politicians.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe in Albany-1902257

Barry is going to be sorry he so publically disrespected a co-equal branch of the federal govt. when they rule his ClunkerCare HCR violates the Constitution and all Barry can do about is whine and complain because the founding fathers were smart enough to put Supreme Court justices beyond the reach of stupid politicians.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Supreme Court justice Samuel Chase was impeached. Under normal circumstances, a Supreme Court justice is awarded a lifetime commission.

A Supreme Court Justice may be impeached by the House of Representatives and removed from office if convicted in a Senate trial, but only for the same types of offenses that would trigger impeachment proceedings for any other government official under Articles I and II of the Constitution. Does citizens United ring a bell. Thomas & Scalia may be impeached. Then "we the people" will prevail.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_US_Supreme_Court_justice_be_impeached_and_removed_from_office#ixzz19jLyo2GQ

There is separation of powers but no one is above the law according to the Constitution. So after Boehnoer stops crying 1-6-11 and read reads the Constitution he should that in mind.

James O'Keefe 's shining object should have been mention for his donning that ridiculous pimp costume with silly hoe faking pictures of ACORN.

I gotta go w/ Barry on this one!

This is my last comment of the year, as I have to leave for the NYE Party at which I shall wipe and scrape 2010 from the bottom of my Dancing Shoes!!!

Everyone be Healthy, Happy & Prosperous in 2011,

Notsojingo

Peace & HNY!!!

And like that other entertainer you all seemed so taken with, Palin, they all do seem to have very large bank accounts. How about you Drive By, you seem super smart, you got bank like any of those stun grenades?

Me, I don't like the Kardasians or the Atlanta Housewives. So I don't watch or pay them no mind. So even when one gets married, divorced or has a kerfluffle, it is of no moment to me. You no like Limbaugh, or the Fox guys I suggest you ust ignore them. Besides they don't need your help - Keith O and his rather large rating decline this year does. So start doing your part to help the guy out. Now there is an entertainer!

We understand why you feel that way Spanky. Conservatives are particularly impressed by wealth, it's part of establishing your "betters." To the rest of us lying d-bags are lying d-bags no matter how much money they have.

To whom do you refer John? "the rest of us?"

It would appear that those lies you speak of, although do not specifically reference, might be less objective and more subjective. Kind of like your term "d-bag." Who decides who is and who is not a "d-bag?" You? Keith O.? Keith O's audience?

One man's shiny object is another man's ________.

Yo, Spank(er)- no, I don't have 'bank' like those other folks. But then again, my life doesn't revolve around scratch- I'm NOT a republican, remember??

BTW- Kardashian or 'housewives' aren't on daily, telling everyone else how to think and/or vote. Big difference.

I have to disagree. I'm pretty sure the Kardasians and the House wives are on daily. And they certainly do tell other people how to act (like them because they are fabulous) and vote (with the wallets cause we all need to buy the crap they buy so we can be fabulous, like them).

Entertainment is just that. It either entertains you, in which case you engage, or it does not, in which case you probably should ignore it. Or it just leads to bouts of screaming rage - like Bev's bad case of the Fevah over Fox.

And dude, I know you are way cool and don't care for money. Me, I'm very shallow and focused on cash. Check you next year, Drive.

Didn't say I didn't care for money- said it's not my ONLY focus. (can't buy beer without it for one thing...)

See you next year, too. Drive safe, Spank.

How about Ezra Klein's "the constitution is too hard to understand - its over 100 years old." Brilliant.

I seem to remember reading a LOT about ol' Charlie on here. Where YOU been, thetotas? OR, if you SAY he wasn't, he wasn't?

I would a lot rather talk about what the media IGNORE, like Obama's threat that failing to vote for tax cut extensions ending his presidency. . .

Or his total inability to deal with anything unexpected. . .

Or any of the thousand failings that would be front page news if he happened to be a republican.

Say! Anybody give Ny of you guys a copy of the Journalists' Canon of Ethics for Christmas?

Cute talking points, but where's the subsance? You know- EXAMPLES?

Thousand failings? Inabiliy to deal with anything unexpected?

Do you EVER post anything of substance, or just "he's a baaaad man"? Give it a rest. We are not Fox viewers or Palin followers (Palin-drones??). We don't buy what you put out here just because you put it out here.

Sheeesh, already.

So speaketh Drive By, the master of substance.

Remember Drive By, many, if not most of the "others" here in MSNBC land are "slow" and really can't deal in what you call substance.

It would appear that while you are not Fox viewers or Palin followers, you do seem to know an whole lot about Fox and Friends. Also if we apply your logic you all must be deemed "MSNBC viewers." I do have to say you all don't really got a Palin type. Maybe Arianna, Maddow or Big Ed Schultz? Olbermann drones, except again given the ratings not a good comparison.

Throwing around those labels really is a distinction without a difference - a preference for one network over another doesn't realy amount to much. But you do have Lockdown, so there is that.

Thousand failings? Inabiliy to deal with anything unexpected?

Kind of like the "thousands dying the street everyday" BS you libs were CONSTANTLY spouting to get Obamacare passed. Do you libs EVER acknowledge your own hipocrisy?

Do you EVER post anything of substance, or just "he's a baaaad man"? Give it a rest.

Let's see, let's see. Now where have I heard that shlt before. OH YES! On here EVERY DAMN DAY about Bush and Cheney and how "Bad" and Evil" they are. Why don't you libs give THAT shlt "a rest." lol

Happy New Year Lib-nut. Get ready for the Obama Lame Duck Presidency to begin. No more completely unwanted liberal crap tax and spend policies. Feels so good!

Slim- would you settle for BORROW and spend, then, like during the last administration AND this one?

Cool.

Spank- I watch Fox, because I feel I should at least see what's coming from BOTH sides. That, and the cleavage is better over there. Rachel? Not so much.

You boys be good. 'bye.

drive-by-observer

"I seem to remember reading a LOT about ol' Charlie on here. Where YOU been, thetotas? OR, if you SAY he wasn't, he wasn't?

no joe, no bo, nj

I would a lot rather talk about what the media IGNORE, like Obama's threat that failing to vote for tax cut extensions ending his presidency. . ."

Saaayyyy......did somone on here mention how 'you libs' like to just sidestep the questions or change the subject???

Like you just did "drive by"?

You cons are all the same.

I wish there was some way that all that money that was used to buy the elections could be applied to helping the economy.

Pat Boston MA

2010 - Goodbye. And Thanks for the Memories

Thank you for all the past inspirations and that beautiful song.

If you go out tonight here's hoping you get to enjoy your New Year's Eve celebration and the winter wonderland.

Mmmm..............suckers!

Hey Feisty- wanna join me over at the Dew Drop for some rum-soaked suckers? We can sit around and tell Smiff jokes.

Hey Feisty- wanna join me over at the Dew Drop for some rum-soaked suckers? We can sit around and tell Smiff jokes

Oh you BETCHA! Let me slip on my dancing shoes...

Speaking of Smiff jokes did you happen to catch her getting her 'clock cleaned' not once but TWICE yesterday! Funniest sh!t I've read in a long time! lol

What's playing on the juke box tonight?

Feisty,

Dancing shoes?? You must mean cowboy boots. Anyplace that calls itself the Dew Drop Inn must be country (hillbilly). And what does that make you honey??

AKA the Plutocracy. The Top Politicians are both on the same Agenda when all is said and done.

Happy New Year, Same as the Old Years!

Well said, Sam. I couldn't have put it better.

Sure. Great.

So, tell me, how much are you willing to pay for a burger? How about a refrigerator? I would ask about a car, but (a) Detroit LOSES money on every car sold, (thank you, UAW plus corruption), and, oh yeah, the taxpayers own the car companies, so they are, in fact, public employees.

The market is actually quite efficient. It works for individuals, too. So, for example, if you do not like what you are earning, in this county you can get education and get into a field where you will earn more. Really. There are loans, grants, night classes- the whole gamut- all you have to add is the dedication to do it.

You could start a business, perhaps. You know- find a need and fill it. It will take more than forty hours a week, but you cN, actually, do it.

None of this works if you have the mentality of a the if- that is, that what others earn, should rightfully belong to yup, who have not earned it. Having the government take someone's earnings to give to you does not make you honest, just the recipient of stolen goods. It is no less immoral- but it is more dishonest. At least the the if on the street is honest enough to admit that he is a thief.

Ni e circulAr argument, though. The government creates no goods, nor any value. It gets it's money from the sweat of others. I am sure that the burger flipper at your local fast food joint is grateful that so much of his or her earnings are going to keep federal bureaucrats employed.>

Welcome back Dr NO!

Nice Moniker! LMAO

Public employees and labor unions are the last vestige of Americans to protect working individuals from becoming under-earning pawns of the Private Sector. Though having been attacked and dismantled for decades, most famously under Ronald Reagan's watch, unions are still essential to provide protections for employees, including health insurance, retirement, and workplace standards and conditions which are humane to some degree. Though abuses take place, overall unions provide professionalism, training through apprenticeship programs, and ongoing journeyman upgrading within industries where technologies are ever changing.

The Union is not the Employer of note for most of its members, but collectively bargains for those members in order to establish uniform contracts with employers/corporations/manufacturers. What the Upper Management does by paying its Board Members, CEOs, CFOs, Managers, etc huge bonuses, extensive stock options, and high salaries is their business, but turning around and trying to place the burden of financial impropriety on the backs of the very workers which provide the very goods and services which allow The Company to command huge profits is untenable.

As the Penny Pinchers(accountants for The Company)are directed to cut costs, Labor is always the first target. Efficiency improvement is often attempted by automatization in Manufacturing, but nothing replaces the Human Touch, and the ability to react to circumstance.

I want to go into my theories of root causes which have allowed Our Nation to slide into a deep state of divide over the value of Unions, but will suffice to say it has been a long term attempt by our Governments Past and Present to cow-tow to Big Business across the 'Board'(pun intended) in order to enrich those that utilize the Lobbyists which successfully tilt the balance in favor of the Corporate Plutocracy of America.

Not that they haven't always had the upper hand.

Peace

Notsojingo, by all means chime in any time. A lot of good thinking in your post.

As I appreciate the many things I learn on FR and the Vine, it is a pleasure to opine once in a while were I feel it relevant.

Thanks John B!

Peace