where she, too, is a paid contributor, on Facebook or Twitter, where she's been "silent" since Christmas Eve.

How do YOU spell R E L I E F?

THANK YOU Santa for the reprieve from the screech owl!

On the other hand... looks like DWTS pays pretty well regardless of whether or NOT you can dance! ;0)

Is Vote rigging for PROFIT a crime?

On the other hand... looks like DWTS pays pretty well regardless of whether or NOT you can dance! ;0)

Ah come'on Feisty ....

Someone being promoted week after week over more talented, skilled and experienced co-workers based on a popular social sentiment?

Look at it as affirmative action housing for the disadvantaged - those innocent children who have been persecuted because of the crimes of their parents.

Say it Aint So, MSM, you're gonna continue telling this Lie for the uneducated to Feast on. I'm sure MSNBC will report the "Death Panel Lie" since None of your reporter's have the Cahones to standup for the Truth. The Only 1 that did(David whatshisname) was put under house arrest for telling the Truth. Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico & Ali Weinberg(whose in Hawaii) will talk about death panels to push the GOP agenda forem.

MSNBC's News reporting went to S--T when Tim Russert passed away!

Feisty, I think she made her $$ from a Paid speaking tour about Abstinence from Sex, while carrying a Baby on her Hip, or leaving it at the Hotel with the nanny, which was paid for by Hypocrits of Abstinence talk. O well, "tellem what they wanna hear, because it makes them feel better", and they'll think you can DANCE!

SpongeBob, You & NJNB should start your Own PhyscAnalysis Business, since you Both"KnowItAll"!

You Betcha!

Good after noon Feisty

I trust you enjoyed your time off for the Holidays. Happy New Year

Bristol Palin is BUYING a $172,000 for a 3,900-square foot brown stucco home in Maricopa, AZ.

But Why? Arizona will get a new, 9th Congressional District thanks to the new census. Most observers think Maricopa will end up smack-dab in the middle of this new district.

Bristol for Congress!

http://wonkette.com/433389/bristol-palin-pays-172000-cash-for-foreclosed-tract-house-in-arizona

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LOL!!! what a lucky girl Bristol is to have scraped up $172,000 from under Sarah’s burrito wrappers on the couch.

Also.. Sarah was silent during Christmas and couldn't answer Juan Williams intellectually because she did enough damage with her "Miracle on Ice" sliding down Fox News slippery slope.

Sarah Palin sought to build her foreign policy credentials on Tuesday, with a new op-ed arguing that the Obama administration needs to "toughen up" on Iran based on information from leaked diplomatic cables that she had earlier denounced.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/22/sarah-palin-wikileaks-iran-op-ed_n_800285.html/2

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Slapdash and discriminate as it’s written, as I see it, why would Sarah’s ghost writer exaggerate; then pen this ding bat’s name to it? Our allies have stated that they felt any possible nuclear program Iran might pursue would clearly be used only to provide a deterrent against attack. Furthermore, the half wit- half governor doesn’t realize it’s not our job to police the world. Does she not know what self-determination a sovereign country has?

All right,’ said the Cheshire Cat; and this time it vanished quite slowly. Go away Sarah. Quit!!!

Fiesty you cracked me up again .. my brother asked why the repubs bailed out Walmart?

I said so they could get a discount on all those fine chinese goods

hope you have a wonderful holiday and Merry Christmas

I just took a few minutes away from relaxing and considering what good things have happened in the last year, as I always do between Christmas and New Years Day, to look in on all the joyous FR lefty liberals. I was not disappointed!! The usual suspects are here, as miserable as they have always been and always will be. Honestly folks, if I was as miserable as you are, I would have ended it all a LONG TIME AGO with a properly permitted handgun to the side of the head.

First up, the Nasty Redhead, with a whine about Joe Miller, whose 15 minutes expired on 11/02/10. Next, it’s John B., with that most trite of lefty liberal laments: “why do Conservatives hate Americans?” Then there’s Paul, a “truther” who believes the 9/11 attacks by 19 nut-job Islamic extremists sponsored by Al Queda was REALLY a Darth Cheney inside job plot, telling us his “death panel” true beliefs. Last, is Jody running the lefty liberal table with “filibustering GOP Senators”, Joe Miller/Norm Coleman comparisons, death panels, John Edwards/Mitt Romney comparisons, and lastly an anti-Palin family rant.

I do enjoy the FR lefty liberal’s sincere misery and I look forward to much more of it in 2011, especially as John Boehner calls the House to order for the first session of the 112^th Congress. The first sad, mournful, Ron, Indiana post will tell me that I’m still alive and my future is bright!!!!

BTW, may I suggest you use hollow-points in case your aim is not so good.

Feisty, I think she made her $$ from a Paid speaking tour about Abstinence from Sex, while carrying a Baby on her Hip

Too funny Rick! Like no one in the stuck on stupid crowd would notice *wink wink*

LOL!!! what a lucky girl Bristol is to have scraped up $172,000 from under Sarah’s burrito wrappers on the couch.

Those halibuts or whatever the hell Grama Grizzly clubbed to death have more rythem than her darling daughter and her two left feet!

I wonder how Megan McCain feels about having the Caribou Barbie wanna-be as a neighbor?

I said so they could get a discount on all those fine chinese goods

LOL keeptrout there's nothing that screams country first more than glow in the dark lead tainted popcorn bowls from China! ;o)

Christmas was very nice - thanks for asking!

"Bitter, party of one":) Fiesty, you're too funny!

It is disrespectful to the entire country that Obama hasn't released all of his records.

He'll release his when Cheney/Bush release theirs. Oh and we have to wait until 2029 for the JFK records. GFY

Everybody's in fine form I see. Still nothing constructive though. Just the usual gossip and sniping.

Once again it's time to ask, why do Conservatives hate Americans

Apparently Conservatives don't want those conversations to take place in spite of clear evidence that both the quality of patient care and costs improve when there's an honest and caring discussion between patient, family, and doctor.

From the article above:

The Obama administration is firing back, saying this is a continuation of Bush policies. The Wall Street Journal: "The White House on Sunday said the new Medicare directive, reported Sunday by the New York Times, doesn't constitute a resurrection of the original health-care-bill language. It said the George W. Bush administration had already put in place guidelines allowing for Medicare to pay for end-of-life consultations."

I thought Bush was supposed to be a conservative. Is he one of the conservatives that hate America that you are talking about?

Too funny.

SHHHH. Let's let them enjoy this one until after the holidays when all hell will break lose on what can only be characterized as a blatant lie put forth by Berwick, my favorite socialist.

Because as John B. appears to assert - the quality of care and costs hinges on a conversation. Look who has become a resource hawk. Because we all know only good things come from government mandates. Go Berwick!

Thanks for mentioning that the argument is hypocritical from the beginning, bob. Conservatives are against something now because it's from the Obama Administration. When it was the policy of the Bush Administration it was just fine.

The policy was correct then, it's correct now. The blind hatred that leads Conservatives to criticize ANYTHING regardless of history, workability, or results is pathetic.

Your welcome, your comment was obviously hypocritical.

Beyond that, having an exchange with you is kind of like going out in the garage, grabbing a 16 oz. claw hammer, placing it on the concrete floor and hitting it with a 4 lb. sledge hammer. The 16 oz. will bounce and land somewhere else, nothing changed.

I have wasted enough time beating a dumb tool that accomplishes nothing. (Reference - FR Senate Ratifies START from 5 days ago)

Both my parents made end of life decisions while they were healthy. They did not do it by mandate from a "death panel" (which those who intelligent know does not exist) but by sound discussions with their physicians. They made their wished known so we did not have to make difficult decisions for them when their time came. It is the smart thing to do and it enables your relatives to do your wishes and have no regrets. We were blessed that my parents thought ahead and did not make us make the hard choices for them.

Happy New Year to everyone - yes - even those hard headed and no heart Republicans.

Alaska GOP Senate reject Joe Miller has repeatedly claimed that federal health care benefits violate the Constitution. It turns out, however, that he doesn’t actually think that the Constitution applies to him. Miller received the very same kind of federally funded health care benefits and unemployemnt check (his wife did) that he believes to be unconstitutional.

Joe Miller has called for an end to government spending and the “welfare state”. So when accused that he received federal farm subsidies, his campaign called it a “manufactured story from a Democratic blog”. Well, now he acknowledges that he got, um, federal subsidies.

So Joe the Freeloader who disdains the Federal government actually goes to the federal government when he’s in trouble. He filed the suit in Federal Court but he has filed in the wrong court. Oooops! So Joe the Hypocrite (who disdains the Federal government) actually goes to the federal government when he’s in trouble…

"Beyond that, having an exchange with you is kind of like going out in the garage, grabbing a 16 oz. claw hammer, placing it on the concrete floor and hitting it with a 4 lb. sledge hammer. The 16 oz. will bounce and land somewhere else, nothing changed."

OK bob, thanks for explaining. You're a bigger tool. Now it all makes sense.

Let me guess how many doctors will file claims for these "services" to patients who will not even know that a little talk with the doctor was being claimed at taxpayers expense? There is such an opportunity for massive bureaucratic abuse that it is inconceivable that what has been occurring inherently between elderly patients and their doctors for years is now being mandated by regulation under this Administration. Are you really trying to say that doctors do not tell patients what their options are as they identify serious illnesses.... Come on! This is a political football that is not worth passing around... or funding! Maybe if we are going to regulate this, maybe we should give these same doctors the legal right to execute the desires of the patients, but I remember a famous doctor Kavorkian that was sent to jail for helping his patients die.

John B, Des Moines, IA

You apparently did not get the memo that you are not allowed to blame the Republicans for anything. It's not patriotic. Unless you change your party affiliation to Rep and start blaming the Democrats for everything – even the same stuff that the Reps did when GWB was the president and now the Democrats are doing under Obama but its was ok then but it’s not ok now…I think I am getting tripped over all these rules myself – you are wrong even if you are right.

I am sorry to be the one to point this political faux pas of yours ;)

Fed up Senior

You mean like Halliburton over billed for all the broken, missing or substandard body armor that was supposed to protect our troops?

You mean like the billions of dollars that the Dick’s company profited while not performing the service they were “hired” to do with their no bid contracts?

Yea, you're right. Death panels are ok.

Death Panels already exist, they're called for profit Health insurance compnaies.

OK bob, thanks for explaining. You're a bigger tool. Now it all makes sense.

You got me, on that one.

Good job, John.

Till next time, bob. I'm sure it won't be the last time we go back and forth on an issue.

Yeah, I think it is time to permanently STTS with Bobby. One can only spin around in that dreck for so long. Not worth the time.

During the death panel nonsense, including Grassley's killing grandma phase, it was pointed out repeatedly by democrats and some journalists that the Bush/GOP (unfunded) medicare changes contained provisions to pay for end of life counseling. Republicans voted for it back then before making outrageous claims about grandma and death panels.

There is a difference between end of life counseling, a consultation between the patient/family with their doctor and a detached federal bureaucracy /panel that determines what end of life measures will be paid for.

I thought liberals were the ones that were so good at nuance, critical thinking, etc.

About the Palins and media:

Why is it that everytime the word SARAH is mentioned, it's always the libs that start slobbering like a Pavlov pooch and can't resist going on and on about her, not the conservatives?

a federal panel can't determine what end of life measures will be paid for................they could only determine what measures the government or insurance carriers would not be obligated to pay for.

The patient can take "personal responsibility" for their extraordinary care, or their loving progeny can step up and extend their lives. Or the doctors can be good Christians and make a charitable contribution.

So bob, you're willing to admit that Republicans were LYING about death panels? You seem to know the difference. Let's see what the record shows;

Accusations that the health care reform bill now pending in the House of Representatives would use "death panels" to deny care to sick seniors and children with birth defects have taken center stage in the health care debate, giving the Obama administration even more of an uphill climb in getting the measures enacted into law.

But health care experts – even those who do not support the version of the health care reform bill now being discussed – note that these accusations are shocking, inflammatory and incorrect.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/story?id=8295708

The fact remains that the bill wouldn’t require patients to receive counseling sessions, nor would it require a doctor to offer one. Rather, it modifies Section 1861(s)2 of the Social Security Act, defining what services Medicare will pay for. So if a patient receives a counseling session from a doctor or health care practitioner, he or she doesn’t have to pay for it – Medicare will. As we pointed out in our earlier story, Medicare will also pay for prosthetic limbs, but that doesn’t mean that every recipient gets those, too.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/palin-vs-obama-death-panels/

We agree with Palin that such a system would be evil. But it's definitely not what President Barack Obama or any other Democrat has proposed.

We have read all 1,000-plus pages of the Democratic bill and examined versions in various committees. There is no panel in any version of the health care bills in Congress that judges a person's "level of productivity in society" to determine whether he or she is "worthy" of health care.

Palin's claim sounds a little like another statement making the rounds, which says that health care reform would mandate counseling for seniors on how to end their lives sooner. We rated this claim Pants on Fire ! The truth is that the health bill allows Medicare, for the first time, to pay for doctor appointments for patients to discuss living wills and other end-of-life issues. These types of appointments are optional, and AARP supports the measure.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/aug/10/palin-death-panel-remark-sets-truth-o-meter-fire/

(AP) Former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin says the health care overhaul bill would set up a "death panel." Federal bureaucrats would play God, ruling on whether ailing seniors are worth enough to society to deserve life-sustaining medical care. Palin and other critics are wrong.

Nothing in the legislation would carry out such a bleak vision. The provision that has caused the uproar would instead authorize Medicare to pay doctors for counseling patients about end-of-life care, if the patient wishes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/11/health/main5233968.shtml

Oh no, you aren't willing to admit anything of the sort. You're just resurrecting one of the biggest lies of the last 2 years to help make the case for a new one.

Yea, you're probably right. The panel will probaly in the end up making Grandpa buy a policy that provides for his abortion and sex change, but not that end of life stuff.

About Grandpa being able to pay for that stuff out of his own pocket, don't be so sure. Afterall, that Commerce Clause is being argued.

In Wickard vs. Filburn, they found that a guy cannot grow his own wheat for just himself because non participation in the market affects the market.

Federal government that Obama wants will have complete control in the end, they will be able to decide everything they want to decide on.

Hope you had a Merry Christmas Paul. Thanks for your comment.

First of all, it is voluntary and second it just educates what your options may be. Their are no panels voting you live or die. Same BS argument as before. I told you all, this republican/tea party agenda was not going to change. In fact, it is going to get worse according to several article this week.

US Navy,

You are right, there are "no panels voting you live or die." There are no panels that vote to "pull the plug."

Conservatives have concerns and worries about panels, or committees that set end of life guide lines, that in effect will deny the treatment, or "machine" that the plug is attached to.

Of course it would have been nice if conservatives could have expressed these concerns, questioned Dr. Berwick, and had these fears put to rest.

Why would Obama not want a record of testimony to officially put that lie to rest?

But, Obama chose to circumvent all that with the needless recess appointment didn't he? Could have had the hearings, then if Berwick wasn't approved, do the recess appointment.

What other reason was there to do it the way Obama did it other than to avoid those questions?

Anyway, hope you had a Merry Christmas US Navy.

Bob, Obama did not avoid any discussions. Republicans just chose not to have intelligent discussions - screaming about death panels - that don't exist. Berwick was an appointment made because the GOP just says "no" to everything Obama proposes. As we all know, the GOP agenda is to make sure Obama - and therefore - all of us fail.

Well, Bob, if anyone had an ounce of common sense, and was willing to admit it, no one would have even questioned end of life counseling, only those interested in mere politicking would do so, in order to stir up a pot that has nothing in it, in order to blow smoke up idiot's a$$es who believe the worst about everything, and who want everyone else to be as scared and stupid as they are.

Hope y'all had a great Christmas! However, I'm sure that Luntz guy has spent his off time thinking up more bumper sticker ideas to throw the Repubs into a tizzy of idiocy!

Jody,

If you would stop dwelling on Palin and Bristol maybe the media would move to another topic.

Obama did not avoid any discussions

Of course he did. He nominated Berwick in April and appointed him in a July recess. Obama still had an August recess to do it in after that. He hid him, no hearings. How is that for transparency? Sheeez.

Cathy,

Huh.....Jody brought up the death panels.

BTW - Quotes from Berwick:

"The decision is not whether or not we will ration care - the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open."

“Any health care funding plan that is just, equitable, civilized and humane must, must redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer."

Yea, no one needs to ask this guy/socialist dr. any questions.

You guys are not known for being the willfully ignorant for nothing.

So true, Da Noid. No level of information has been sufficient so far, no additional information will change the minds of the birthers.

John B:

No level of information will change the minds of the "birthers"?? I beg to differ. Try a long-form birth certificate. Instead, Obama has chosen to spend over $2 million to continue hiding that & all of his other pertinent records --- Perkins & Coie Lawfirm are happy though.

Any rational minded person would admit that, if indeed there's nothing to hide, just show the damn thing instead of spending $2 million.

starkydoo-956531

I'd like to see your birth certificate.

Long form? Are you out of your mind? There is no such thing for ANYBODY.

Amy,

I hate to break it you sunshine ... but you don't know WTF you're talking about. Go do some research prior to criticizing others.

And I have had to show my birth certificate ... many times. Foreign travel, replacement social security card, etc. I've had to provide one of my children's birth certificate for Little League. It obviously shouldn't be a big deal for one who wants to be in charge of the fk'ing country. Go educate pathetic self.

I'm not down with the Birth Certificate thing but, I was born in the early 60's and I do not have a "Certificate of Live Birth" whatever that is. I am looking at my certificate and it states my father's name, mother's name, NEGRO because that is what blacks were called then, county, time, state, etc..... I have had to show this thing numerous times in my life and if I didn't have a notorized copy of a "Birth Certificate" it would not be accepted.

BTW: One of my sons were born in Hawaii and he has an actual Birth Certificate. I ws never issued a certificate of live birth. I sent a request to Honolulu 2 yrs back and received a copy of his Birth Certificate not a proof of live birth......

They could come up with a videotape showing live Obama's birth with a distinctive Hawaiian landmark clearly visible through an open window such as Diamond Head and it still would not be enough for the birthers. Obama's biggest offense to these whack jobs is being President while black. They are still crying that Acorn stole the '08 election.

I love it when the ignorant yell the loudest when they're being to most idiotic.

I'd suggest that before someone goes on blathering about someone else educating themselves, they might want to actually do a bit of research. In case that's a bit too daunting for them, they can always read some research done by someone that was NOT wearing a tinfoil hat and chanting incantations. And finally, if trying to find the 'non-tinfoil hat' research proves a bit vexing for them, here's a link.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Obama HAS produced the short form birth certificate that was most likely produced for your travel documents, social security card, etc. In any event, it's the official documentation of birth from the State of Hawaii. As for the "sunshine" comment, that was uncalled for and definitely was not emanating from someone's advanced life form.

Have a great day hollering obscenities at your kid's Little League game.

First Timer, just to think of all the crap you have to belive in order to be a birther is mind boggling. You would have to beleive that Obama's mother made a trip half way around the world on a college student's budget with no one knowing about it. You would have to believe that this college student and her foreign born boyfriend were able to get 2 different Hawaiian newspapers to publish the birth happen in Hawaii. You would have to beleive that Hawaiian officials fradulently gave the Obamas a Certificate of Live Birth. You would have to believe the current Governor-elect of Hawaii is a liar when he says that he know the Obamas personally back from their college days and all this birther crap is made up crap. You would have to beleive that they went to all this trouble nearly 50 years ago because they knew there half black son would run for President.

My request to the birthers:

Put down the crack pipe and seek help!

No level of information will change the minds of the "birthers"?? I beg to differ. Try a long-form birth certificate.

That's what I thought. "A little bit more" will always be the answer.

Wrong Idiots. It's not necessarily Obama's birth place .... again, do some research. You NON-birthers are CLUELESS! It's hysterical just how stupid you are on the subject! Refering to FactCheck... hahahaha!!

States are passing laws stating one must show proof of eligibility prior to be on the states' ballot. The 2012 election will be very interesting. Perhaps then you'll understand how ignorant you are!!

Starkydoo, its encouraging to see you are continuing your struggle with mental health. Good luck with the effort. How anyone can advance this birth certificate argument is beyond reason. Candidates for president are vetted for eligibility. It is patently ludicrous to think that the full powers of the United States government ~ under the watchful eye of an incumbent Republican president ~ could have overlooked this small detail. It is even less believable that the Clinton's would have failed in pursuit of "the truth" as Obama was kicking Hillary's butt. But there are still Flat Earth proponents and those who think unwanted pregnancies are the fault of dirty toilet seats. Keep it up. Its good for laughs.

Starky,

Here's the thing...on the one hand, maybe it is a valid argument to say, "He should just show us his birth certificate if he has nothing to hide." However, let's ask this question...how many times has a presidential candidate or a sitting president been asked to show his birth certificate for all the world to see?

Prior to President Obama, I'd venture that the answer is none.

So, yes, it would be very easy to say, "Show us!" However, the point here is that you are now holding President Obama to a different standard than the 43 previous Presidents.

Oh, sure, it says in Ronald Reagan's biography that he was born in Illinois, but have you ever seen his birth certificate? Then, how do you know he was really eligible?

(See, I can do it too!)

Tell me, are you familiar with the principle of "Ockham's Razor"?

"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem." - Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity.

Put into simpler terms, "Ockham's Razor" says that when presented with multiple theories to explain a phenomenon, the simpler theory has the greater probability of being correct.

So, which is more like correct...

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, HI in 1961 and is eligible by birth to be President.

or

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya in 1961 and a series of documents were forged on his behalf by the Health Department of the State of Hawaii and a couple of Hawaiian newspapers on the off chance that 47 years later he might try and run for President with the currently outgoing Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, as an accomplice to the conspiracy as she ordered the Birth Certificate sealed.

Ahh...birthers and death panels. They cling to the crap because otherwise they have to admit that their entire political philosophy is based on complete lies. It's so much easier than admitting that you've been duped again.

It reminds me of my favorite quote by Andre Gide: "You must always allow others to be right. It consoles them for being nothing else."

You are right, snarkypoo....

"... replacement social security card ... "

I'm calling BS on this one. I have, in the last 60 days, had to get a replacement SSI Card. And they not only did not require a Birth Cert./ Cert. of Live Birth, they didn't even ask if I had one. All that was required is that I show a State issued picture ID and swear that I was who I said I was. Took all of 3 to 5 minutes, a signature and I walked out with a replacement card in my hand.

So unless you live in a different country then I do. Or that you applied to an agency other then the Social Security Administration, where I got mine from. You are just full of .... !

I'd call you a liar, but that is a personal attack and is not allowed here. So I will refrain from doing that. But you still are full of ..... !

Gee, Da Noid, I never was a birther before but that second argument sure is compelling. Maybe I should rethink my position on this. I mean, seriously, I can see how easy it would be to do that with enough money. I mean, he's spent $800,000 . . . err, $1,000,000 . . . uhh wait a minute, $2,000,000 to keep other records secret, after all. What would another million or so dollars be to this guy who wants to impose socialism on the US and lead us into communism by way of fascism? No amount would be too small to this (gulp!) half black Marxist President who wants to rule the world by redistributing all of the rich people's money to the lazy poor who should just get a job.

(How'd I do, starkydoo-956531? Can I join 'the club' now?)

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On the contrary...I say, "Good luck, Bristol Palin."

Who knows, maybe she'll finish what she started at ASU (unlike her mom)...though I wonder if the Righties are afraid that she's going to get som elitist professor who will teach her to hate America.

AMEN!!!!...On to the REAL news and enough coverage of the Media Ho's already...;)

Maggie - I think we all read Palin stories for the same reason we all go to the zoo and end up watching the monkeys fling poo. We stand there, oddly fascinated, thinking, "Damn...if they had a couple more strands of DNA they might be really scary!!"

thetotas - oh like the past administration was put in check after lying to all of us. Please - grown up!

W. Goin - To wrongs dont make a right.

I was one of those people that didn't follow politics, but at the end of Bushes presidency and now Obama I am more aware and trying to educate myself and I dont like what I see. It would be a waste of time attacking Bush, he in no longer our President. Obama is our President so I am holding him accountable.

Bush/Cheney are mass murderers of Americans and war criminals. If you want to fix America, start there.

Mass murderers? War criminals? My question was-

Democrats said such criticism is unfair. Nonetheless, after angry reaction from the public, the language was removed from the bill that has since become law and the new regulation re-establishes its intent.

What has changed? WHAT HAS CHANGED? Suddenly the American people are ok with this?

There is a way to have the last laugh. Don't die! Tell them to take their Living Will and Durable Powers of Attorney and shove them. Hang on ~ and keep those pacemakers and ventilators humming. When pain becomes so great that only extracts of cobra venom can bring relief, tell them to milk more snakes. Don't be pushed around ~

Let's use a metaphor here, thetotas . . .

A detective comes to the scene of a murder after the murderer has left and the uniformed cops are on the scene. He takes a look around, sees a dead body and suddenly decides to arrest the uniformed cops standing there. Why? Well, by your logic, the murderer has left the scene of the crime and the uniformed cops are now there so he is holding them responsible for the murders.

I am not saying that Dick Cheney or GW are murders (it was a metaphor, after all) but there are plenty of problems, caused by what are defined as illegal actions on their part, that you are now holding President Obama responsible for. This is not good logic on your part.

But can he produce a birth certificate?

After all, despite the newspaper birth announcements, personal statements from family and friends, the State of Hawaii confirming it and investigative reporters from both sides confirming it, the birthers still want a 'birth certificate'.

If a 'birth certificate' is required for one, then it is required for both.

McCain's BC has been all over the net for years. This came up in his 2000 POTUS run.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11110505/JohnMcCain-Birth-Certificate-long-and-short-form-Colon-Panama-1936

I would be enormously surprised if you ever had possession of your ORIGINAL birth certificate. It should remain on file, and the property of your birth state. To make a certified copy of a document you need to possess the physical original. Copies of copies shouldn't fit the bill.

They used to have them on a kind of slick wax papery looking stuff. That was before they do it how they do it now. Occasionally I would have to have one replaced and years ago you could get another that looked like the old (like a negative of something with black and white imaging). However, the last several times I have ordered them (from the State of Virginia) I have gotten the Certification of Birth. We have done hundreds of adoptions in the law firms that I have worked in and when we are issued a birth certificate it is a Certification of Birth. I guess I could go to Virginia and demand and stamp my foot and ask for a picture of my old certificate, but why? To satisfy some crazy theorists? Why should anyone, let alone the President have to waste his or anyone else's time for that kind of hogwash. Maybe the birthers could come up with some actual positive ideas to help the country rather than wailing about a Certification of Birth that YOU and YOU AND YOU will receive if you order one. You need to get a life and you have way too much time on your hands if that is all that you have to worry about!

Cathy:

As I said above, I received a certified copy of my son's (1993) BC from Hawaii 2 yrs ago and it was in black and white just as mine from Texas. I was told a certificate of live birth was not acceptable to many governmental agencies.

If Obama would just post that black and white copy of the BC this stuff would be put to rest.

Bev,

Racist? How about, people think he is inexperienced, or maybe that he is underhanded, how about we just dont agree with his agenda.

You're obsession with color is over the top.

Also, the Koch Brothers. Yad yad yad

thetotas

Bev,

Racist? How about, people think he is inexperienced, or maybe that he is underhanded, how about we just dont agree with his agenda.

Well thetotas,

When you figure the right-wing echo chamber, the Washington Times, the Wall Street Journal editorial page and conservative talk-radio shows like Rush Limbaugh & Glenn Beck's are repeated and amplified that President Obama is goose stepping instead of doing a cake walk for these racist; what else can I say? When Hannity, Glenn beck and the Fox Noise Echo Chamber uses butt lickers, like you, Jesse Lee Peterson and Deneen-Borelli of Project 21 to foment white racism I have a valid point.

Once you view the video below, I'm sure you'll agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY04gIruZ4E&feature=player_embedded#!

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I'm just keeping it real. Joining Republican bigots in doing so, is utterly despicable — and Treasonous! It fills the demand for racist bile.

You're obsession with color is over the top.

No,No, not enough in regards to pointing out racist; which I am not afraid to do!!

Also, the Koch Brothers. Yad yad yad

You will be a Koch Brotherhead until you and the other Tea Baggers in FreeDumb" works fake grassroots movement wake up to the truth.

Wow you are demented. Scary to know people like you are out there. You are a very angry person and the hate that you spew is despicable. Everything you accuse of others you are just as guilty.

Treasonous - give me a break. ( Do you every read what you write?)

You're filled with taking points and copy and paste. I am really not interested in what you say, think or feel.

I stand by what I said Racist? How about, people think he is inexperienced, or maybe that he is underhanded, how about we just dont agree with his agenda. and your attacks just shows how desperate you are.

Obama ran on hope and change and then he was elected....

thetotas

I stand by what I said Racist? How about, people think he is inexperienced, or maybe that he is underhanded, how about we just dont agree with his agenda. and your attacks just shows how desperate you are.

On the contrary, thetotas, it proves just how right I am about racist like you. A black man or any minority according to you racists is never experienced in your eyesights!!!

Hi Bev:

After reading the comments of the whack job birthers here and elsewhere, I have come to the conclusion that the whole birther movement is one big cosmic joke being played on us. The whole premise of birtherism is so whacked out that I am convinced that the only purpose of a birther is to make us laugh by repeating their nonsensical drivel. So birthers, I have had a change of heart. Please keep smoking the birther crack! You clowns provide an endless stream of amusement. Just remember, the louder you rant, the louder I laugh.. at you!

It all boils down to the fact that the "birthers" simply can not accept the fact that someone of African descent can be more successful than they are, let alone be a successful President of the United States. Then they whine that we're playing the "race card" and once they have said that, they assume it gives them allowance to make rascist comments. Interesting little deflection game...and it never works for them.

Since the birthers are so much smarter than the rest of the world, how about if they provide proof, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that President Obama was NOT born in the US??? They should have no problem, given all of their connections....

He was born to an American white girl in 1961. There has to be a record of that birth somewhere. If you don't believe in the Hawaiian documents, find something more credible.

Good point, Paul! I will add that, even IF he was not born on American soil, the fact that his mother was an American citizen gives him American citizenship.

I guess now they have to prove that his mother was not a citizen...but they can do it! They know everything!! (I'm waiting for one of them to be honest and quote their source as the National Enquirer).

Was Palin actually born? I think she crawlled out from under a rock that a holy roller witch-doctor was jumping around. Snakes were hypnotized, the palin-deamon posessed the body of a young girl destined to be a half-rate beauty queen with a strong dislike for pea soup and an unnaturally limber neck, it growled "death panels and lame-stream media" and everyone went home with a brand new bottle of snake oil.

Really. It's got to be true. I saw it on FOX! ( I think it was a couple of years ago on a show called "When Aryan Chicks Go Bad").

Huh I will be giving a $1000.00 dollars this year (just like you) to the Walmart owners who don't need it being the top ten billionairs in the world. never said anything about the legality of walmart?. free couseling so there isn't a issue is there? All except the whining of republicans

keeper: Keep your day job (if you have one). You make no sense at all.

Well Mr. Helper Didn't realize that tax break for the walmart clan was going to cost you money??? On borrowed money ...good god know wonder we elect special ed people with voters like you

Thanks for the concern but I have two great jobs and my employess earned a two week paid vacation this year and I ain't hiring tea baggers

Medicaid will no longer fund organ transplants in AZ becauce Gov Jan Brewer has a death panel which says "go home and die quickly".

The death panel says organ transplants are elective surgery. Elective surgery, Really? This mummified witch has some nerve. She gets elective surgery every time she gets a face lift with her government insurance; I'll bet.

Elective surgery is surgery that is scheduled in advance because it does not involve a medical emergency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_surgery

Wal-Mart

When a worker dies, THE EMPLOYER COLLECTS ON THE POLICY WITHOUT PAYING TAXES ON THE GAIN. Family members of deceased Wal-Mart employees are learning that Wal-Mart used a financial practice of taking out life insurance policies on thousands of their rank-and-file workers. According to a lawsuit filed recently in Houston, Wal-Mart took out about 350,000 life insurance policies on the lives of its employees payable to the company.

(Paragraph 15). I needed to point this out because lawsuits are surging due to Wal-Mart's illegal practicing. Believe the page is full.

http://www.walmartclass.com/public_home.html

It's called "Dead Peasants" insurance. I saw this about Wal-mart in Micheal Moore's movie Capitalism. "Dead Peasants" insurance pays your employer a secret, tax-free windfall when you die. Insurers have sold millions of policies to companies.

Whats more, the company might use this policy to pay for retirement benefits and other perks not for you or your fellow workers, but for your companys top executives.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/insurance/p64954.asp

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Yup, that's right. Wal-mart treats its lower echelon employees like peasants. But, a tea Baggers delight is to defend companies like Wal-mart; and are happy to be ripped off. That includes minimum wages, fewer hours, no benefits or unions to do collective bargaining.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

You are wrong, Jim. Get over it and move on.

Jim: That is what the state of Hawaii issues. Too many lies, hidden agendas, etc. that is not unusual for politicians. Afterall, W. Bush's agenda was to kill Saddam and to invade Iraq, or rather should I say Bush's backers. As I've stated before, I read an article on W.Bush [in 1999] that said if he accepted the presidential nomination, he would be president and they wanted him to invade Iraq [W. wanted to revenge the attempted assassination of his papa so he wanted Saddam killed]. Pappa B's admin had in essence nodded to Saddam when he said he wanted to invade Kuwait and asked if the USA would stop him. So Saddam took it that it would be okay for him to do that. When pappa Bush went back on his word, that is when Saddam tried to kill him. Nine eleven gave him that cover which was needed. Ever wonder why we stopped looking for Osama bin Laden and went after Saddam on bogus information? Now Jim, tell me again about secret agenda's?

Eileen

Please provide some links that I can use to read up on all the point syu make above

Thanks

Read some Jane Mayer or Greg Palast.

Where in the hell have you been for the last ten years?

Robert: Sorry but most of what I read about this was on the old fashion paper, magazine or books.

You are asking for info that I read 10+ years ago. I guess if you wanted to do research, be my guest but I don't have the time to do it for you.

All I know is what I read or heard before it happened and it came to pass. Most were in some kind of political genre of one kind or another.

If you do, and I do hope you do, take the time to research it then you can post the links yourself or anyone else to see. I know it is true and it is out there somewhere even today.

If you want to really research, look into the 9.11 incident which emails were sent out in April or May[2001] warning about what was going to happen--although not too explicit except it would be in September and in NY [to the best of my knowledge]. When I heard a plane hit the world trade tower, I asked what kind of plan--a small one or large one. When I learned it was a large one, I said that was no accident and we are at war. People looked at me and asked war with whom--I couldn't remember their name at the time. It wasn't until the second plane hit that people really believed me.

By the way doesn't anyone really ever question as to how quickly the name of the terrorist were posted and their pictures? It was that same evening. I thought how did they know so fast unless they were following or knew them to be a threat. So why didn't they stop them????????

It gets worse dear. They weren't following them to catch them. They followed their progress to keep the FBI from stopping them. The CIA ran inteference for the "hijackers".

There is still NO PROOF that MUSLIMS were flying the planes on 9/11.

I know that FACT sounds crazy. But if you stop, and THINK about it, you realize the statement is true.

The simple truth about Obama's birth certificate issue is that the greatest identity fraud in history, perpetrated by two phony fact-checking groups, a Hawaiian bureaucrat, a Hawaiian Governor, and a number of unnamed co-conspirators.

If you think you know all about the "Birthers" and all about the controvery swirling around Obama's birth certificate, then you do not know Jack.

There are a few people on this forum who would like us to suspend our capacity to learn. to think, to know truth from fiction, reason from irrationality, and to learn about new information.

In other words, they want us to listen to their lies and believe them when they say that no one is lyig about the content of Obama's birth certificate, the legitimacy of his birth certificate, the content it contains and who cdertified it was being genuine.

Yet, we all know that:

Government workers have been known to lie!

Agency Bureaucratics have been known to lie!

Newspaper reporters have been known to lie!

Governors have been known to lie!

Health Care officials have been known to lie

So, what happens when you get a lying government worker, a lying Agency Bureaurocrat, a lying Politican, a lying Governor, a lying newspaper, a lying High School Class and a lying reporter all telling the same lies.

For what possible reason?

To hide the truth about the imposter in the White House, to hide the truth that Obama's birth certificate is a forged fake, to hide the truth that Factcheck.org FABRICATED Obama's COLB.

The truth is that Barack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawii, or Kenya.

That Barack Hussein Obama is an alias. That alias Barack Obama was not born to Barack Obama Sr. or Stanley Ann Dunham. That Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham never were in Hawaii at the same time.

That Obama's phony Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is using a stolen birth record number.

That Obama has paid $2 million in legal fees to his peronal attorney Robert Bauer, to squelch the eligibility lawsuits seeking the release of his Certificate of Liver Birth, whose purpose is to keep the public from ever seeing the long-form birth certificate that would confirm the hospital of his birth, who are his real biological parents, and in qhat country he was born.

Factcheck's "Born in the USA" is a total pack of lies that prove, however, Obama's COLB was forged and fabricated.

Watch the video as I destroy the lies of both Factcheck.org and Politifact.com. See exactly how the first set of forged scan images were made, and then those photos taken of a physically fabricated fake COLB.

Then see how the biggest identity fraud in Political and Criminal history was perpetrated and pulled off by Factcheck Politifact, Obama Campaign, and the Hawaii Health Department

YES, all of these people lied through their teeth about Obama - especially by the currently departed Director of Hawaii's Health Department.

Yes, it's the conspiracy, Stupid!

Why doesn't the FBI release the videos which they confiscated five minutes after the attack on the Pentagon?

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

You are wrong, Kevin. Get over it and move on.

Because they gave them to John Edward to decipher

They have ignored FOIA filings for eight years. The VDOT cameras would have cleared up the controversy on September 12, 2001. The unencrypted flight data recorder information indicates the jet was at 150 feet too high an altitude to have struck the Pentagon. Touch and go at REAGAN National Airport then over to Andrews Airforce Base maybe.

Obama is nuthin but a foreign-born, Islamic, socialist, commie, nazi, bigoted, elitist, insider, partisan, antichrist, radical, anti-constitutional, tax & spend, intellectual, big-city, teleprompter-using, death panel supporter. ....But I'm not going to vote for him mainly because HE SMOKES CIGARETTES!!!

An antichrist I might be able to get used to, but cigarette smoking is disgusting

Ron, the recent evidence is that Obama has not smoked in over 9 months and may have sucessfully kicked the habit. If true, I would never vote for Obama because I would never vote for a quitter :-).

keppertrout

I agree with you that this is an insane charge from the right.

I am an independent sitting in the middle and the histrionic ranting about the issue from the left is pretty misguided as well

Everyone should leave the subject alone and ignore it if others bring it up

Kevin: They have end of life counseling which has been in existence for quite awhile [years]. What is the difference from insurance companies deciding who should get life saving surgery [they take cost into consideration and medical people on the lower rung of the ladder decide that rather then your doctors] --haven't you ever read stories of people dying while waiting for the insurance company to decide or reconsider a denied claim or the government? We already know what the for profit insurance companies priority is and I think we would stand a better chance with the government at this point [since it is pretty much unknown].

Kevin

I am not sure but didn't Governor Brewer state that the reason for the cut back in the transplant programs under Medicaid was a lack of money and that if the Federal government sent her money she would expand the program.

If that is the case maybe this problem in Az is a problem with Obamacare?

So you mean to tell me, Robert, that putting a new dome on a stadium IS WORTH MORE THAN A LIFE OF A HUMAN BEING THAT WANTS TO LIVE? You mean to tell me that they could use the stimulus money for that AND any other pet project that comes across her desk, BUT THE LIFE OF SOME BODY'S FATHER, MOTHER, BROTHER, SISTER DOESN'T MEAN A DAMN TO YOU; You mean to tell me that there's not a penny, not a dime could be spared for them, AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO TELL ME THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH OBAMACARE?!?!?!?

How can you and the state both have the "ORIGINALS"? Your non notarized footprinted certificates of live birth were never the originals. Did the state ask for them back from you so they could make notarized copies of your documents? No.

alghourd

Sotero may have quit the cigs but is still doing the rock......

The President can take a cocaine drug test, past it, and you birthers still wouldn't believe it.

Do you believe George W. Bush actually drank non-alcoholic beer?

alghourd

Do you believe George W. Bush actually drinks non-alcoholic beer? He sure seems buzzed all the time; especially, the way he giggles about his treacherous, deceitful, policies even to this very day.