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As President Barack Obama signs legislation to roll back the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, Pentagon officials still don't have a clue how long it will take to implement the repeal and lift the ban on gays and lesbians openly serving in the military.
The law itself says the repeal will not take effect until Secretary Robert Gates, Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen and the President himself certify the military's readiness.
But before that certification, the Pentagon needs to come up with a plan for implementation to deal specifically with issues such as housing and benefits for same-sex partners, the rights of gays and lesbians (particularly in the area of enlistment or re-enlistment), and an education and training regimen for all servicemembers.
While the law itself does not lay out a timetable for those plans, Gates has suggested that it could take as long as a year.
There also appears to be no desire among Pentagon officials to slap a moratorium on enforcement of Don't Ask Don't Tell pending that implementation and certification process.
In October, Gates imposed new more stringent procedures for enforcement of the ban -- which many in the military already consider a de facto moratorium.
The Pentagon doesn't know if any new DADT cases have been referred up the chain of command since then.
However, Pentagon officials and the service chiefs have made it clear to servicemembers that until certification, DADT remains the law. Anyone who openly declares they are gay or lesbian could be subject to separation from the service -- at least as of now.
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At least now Mullens and Gates can come out of the closet.
Mullen's queer as
A: A Football Bat
B: Ping Pong Cleats
C: 3 $ Bill
D: Charlie Christ
How do you know that Frank? Did you go out on a date with him?
Great, check that one off the list. Now maybe do something that will actually make a difference to the majority of service members.......... give them a PAY RAISE!!
Under HCR, I hope some of the hate-mongering paranoid individuals posting here today get the meds that they desperately need! Otherwise, it's gonna be rubber room time for a few of you!!
Hope the gays that are serving are using Rubbers too.......
Maybe in a Rubber Room also....
Good LORD Auntie - you hit the nail right on the head!
So much HATE... so little TIME for these vile homophobes...
So Auntie, you don't think that threatening toicut 12 inches off of someones penis is hateful?
Or stating that they need meds because you disagree with them?
Or calling them pathetic a$$holes?
I hereby challenge your personal integrity to read and respond to post # 18 in an intelligent, logical manner. That means without name calling. logical fallicies, insinuations, etc. Put your money where your mouth is baby.
Fiesty - So much HATE....so little TIME for these vile homophobia phobes...
JoeCool-2344366
A phobia is a type of anxiety disorder. It is a strong, irrational fear of something that poses little or no actual danger. Stick with your meds and your therapist; eventually you'll overcome it.
May I suggest you check your list of phobias. Which ever one(s) you choose to identify with whether it's homophobia or not; you need to know in either case is a mental disorder.
The proponents of the view that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality argue for the elimination ofany reference to homosexuality in a manual of psychiatric disorders because it is scientifically incorrect, encouragesan adversary relationship between psychiatry and the homosexual community, and is misused by some peopleoutside of our profession who wish to deny civil rights to homosexuals.
http://www.psychiatryonline.com/DSMPDF/DSM-II_Homosexuality_Revision.pdf
President Obama said....The repeal "will strengthen our national security and uphold (America's) ideals," . "No longer will tens of thousands of Americans in uniform be asked to live a lie."This is a moment "more than two centuries in the making," the president said. Over the course of U.S. history, "gay Americans fought just as hard (and) gave just as much to protect" the country as anyone else. "We are a nation that believes all men and women are created equal."
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JoeCool-2344366
It's true Beverly,
All men and Women are created equal.............
Allowing gays in the military will not strengthen our National Security..... Some countries Especially in the Middle East may even ban our troops because of it.
Believing that gays don't have a mental disorder is a phobia.......
It's called "Notbelievinginthetruth" phobia.......
Then I suggest you work on that; JoeCool. That would be the coolest thing you can do for yourself and country!!!
Why don't you become a patriot and come up with a cure for gaydom............
Make your country proud!!!!!
Joe, there's nothing you can do about the repeal. Its the law of theland. LIVE WITH IT and brood in your homophobic world!!!
I love the sound of Joe Stupid's head exploding in the morning. It sounds like....................victory!
Joe Cool, you don't sound like much of an expert on anything, let alone patriotism! You're as patriotic as the Klan!!
"gaydom"...ROFL...are you THAT freakin' stupid, "JoeCool"?
No gay or lesbian military personnel will act any differently when this ban is implemented. They are professionals and their duty comes first. It didn't take any time to implement DADT, and there is absolutely no logical reason to delay ending DADT totally.
Great news for our military! FYI for all who are interested: http://OutMilitary.com is a new social network that just launched for gay & lesbian service members & supporters...
Umm Kaitlin, I know you have as much experience with the Military as with Penis's(Peni?)
Buttttttt.......... The UCMJ doesn't have "Rules" it has "Articles" but there not "Articles" in the sense of
what you'd read in "Penthouse" or "Maxim". There more like Laws, in that if you break them, bad stuff happens to you. And Sodomy's one of the things you can't do in the Military, like have a Beard(Unless your a chick or Black) or smoke the Ganja.
In fact, I think it's Article 69 of the UCMJ, who says the Military doesnt have a sense of humor?
Frank
yup, Equality and Justice for All b/s..it All Depends on that Pocketbook/ bank account etc. ..don't Let Anyone tell You Different..including those Serpents in office.................
Crackpot, religious thinking. Equal rights for everyone, not just those that are right wing evangelicals!!!
Even children molesters and pedaphiles OH lets not stop there! the tax evaders, the thieves and the rapists they deserve equal rights; and its rewards according to your thought process. How about murders, the Dahmers of the world why not them too?
Paul the Humble, you have much to be humble about!
Now that the gays and lesbos can "openly serve", it's open season to get rid of the disease. Let the target practice begin.
how about until it is enacted - no elected official gets paid
andrewthoone, please don't fall for that; the taxpayers will pay it anyway b/s..my family and i heard of several cases Out There of people dying waiting through the Denial Process..p/s try seeing any doctor or hospital without an Insurance Card; guaranteed u will be denied..Nothings Free in This Country, they all Have Conditions..of Course, I do Not ASK for help, I will Not be put through Red Tape and Treated like Dirt or a Liar..
As the President signs into law the repeal of don't ask don't tell, that popping sound you hear is the heads of teabaggers exploding everywhere!
Now we can qualify all the high school dropouts and drug users. Enlistment is not a right, there are standards. There is a good argument given by the crowd that says they are living a lie in regards to the honor code, but the argument that it is a civil rights issue is wrong. Most people pushing this think they are too good to serve themselves. There is a concern about the "walking blood bank" and if you don't know what that is, you've never served.
Its over though, now maybe we can get them to fix real problems, since it seems to be the most important issue on the democrat's plate.
Blood transfusions are hardly a mystery to civilians.
Support a cure for AIDS/HIV and you'll have less to worry about.
There are a bunch of lost souls in these comments better rethink them your eternity depends on it.
This is a first step.
One may be allowed to "tell or ask" but is still prohibited from "doing."
Until amended, Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) governs this type of conduct by persons in the U.S. military services .
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Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
ART. 125. SODOMY
(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.
(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Note: For specific details concerning this offense, including elements of proof, maximum punishments, and detailed explanation, see Punitive Articles of the UCMJ.
There are a bunch of lost souls making comments here you all had better rethink your position your eternity depends on it.
Without having any first hand knowledge, many people are all too ready to voice this or that opinion about military service and those who serve. This is a matter best resolved by those of wisdom who have requisite knowledge, which is not acquired from reading a book or taking a course in behavior, law, psychology, etc.
{It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin}
These stupid libs on here are going to find out this is not a great day, it is a pitiful one. Legislation to make this abomination legal just create more distance between this once great country and God.
And just which God would that be. There are so many to choose from. Yeah, I know, yours is the one true God, too bad that he only speaks in riddles to people in their dreams.
Except Oral Roberts. He sure went out a millionaire didn't he.
Read 1 Corinthians and Leviticus.
What does Oral Roberts have to do with DADT?
IntheMiddle, TX
Read 1 Corinthians and Leviticus.
What does God have to do with this decision?
aunte facist ... just wondering how this will play out if two homosexuals in uniform are kissing in public? Does the UCMJ forbid this or are we know going to see military homosexuals flaunting their new found freedom? If military homosexuals continue to use discretion in these matters I'm sure all will be fine; however, if they decide it's their right to openly express their homosexuality it will be a problem especially in the Marine Corps. USMC 1950-54
Dunno, don't care. If someone's prepared to die for this country, I'll be damned if they should be denied on the basis of differences in what constitutes a hot Saturday night!! I daresay that not everyone with whom you served would have been straight!
I believe all of the branches of the military have regulations regarding public displays of affection while in uniform. That should not be an issue since it has already been addressed for heterosexual members.
Wonder if the military will still discharge HIV + members, as they do now.
Thats right, if you test + for the Hivie, you get booted, and they test you every year.
I was doubting you knew much about the military, now I know you're full of it.
They are tested every two years, biennially, and they are not booted. They will not be deployed outside the continental U.S., but they will not get the boot.
Umm, yeah, don't know much bout the military except for 1600+ hrs in Hornets, 200 in combat, Bosnia, Iraq, and a few in the Stan')
I coulda sworn we got tested annually, but I never asked when they drew blood and they never told (get it?) Now I fly 767s for umm probably shouldn't say, but it rhymes with "Delta". And yes, I know most of the Male Flight Attendants are Homos, thank god we get to lock the Cockpit now.. Yeah, we still call it a "Cockpit" even though "Flight Deck" is more PC.
Not Deployed outside the continental US?? Not even Hawaii? Well isn't that Special?
Frank "Call Sign Felcher" Drackman
Tested every year? Hmmm...did they suspect something?
And you do know that continental U.S. means the North American continent, right?
And really, they make you lock the cockpit door just to clean the cabin?
No, just to @!$%# your mother.
Whoaaa........!(Andrew Dice Clay Laugh) :)
and we had to get physicals every year, you know when Uncle Sam gives you a $30million Jet, he gets a little picky.
Umm your not one of the Homo Delta Flight Attendants are you??
Frank
It's your story: If you are a pilot, which I find hard to believe, because all of the pilots I know have class.
No class seen here!
The military should be left to the military, not some demo special interest group.
DC should never have allowed muslims into the country nor deviants into the military.
Looking at this from a different prospective. Maybe there is another agenda. It wouldn't be the first time government has passed legislation that was stated as having one purpose only to find that there were other intentions. Namely identify for future use.
You seem to be OK to opening up the country for @$$h@les! YOU'RE still here!!
The military was placed under the command of a civilian...the President of the United States as Commander In Chief...under the US Constitution.
Want a military left to the military? May we suggest the lovely nation of Myanmar!
(The word you're looking for is "JUNTA"!)
This issue has little to do with gays. It has to do with women. Gay men mostly have an aversion to violence. However gay women want to serve. The Marine Corp has an issue with women. They feel, maybe rightly so, that women cannot pull their weight in the Corp. A lot of men cannot either. So lets be honest.
The study shows wide disparities in scores among white and minority students, similar to racial gaps on other standardized tests. Nearly 40 percent of black students and 30 percent of Hispanics don't pass, compared with 16 percent of whites. The average score for blacks is 38 and for Hispanics is 44, compared to whites' average score of 55.
This means the poor blacks and hispanics will have to put up with smart white homo's! This country is done, we need a revolution to get rid of the people who want the government to take care of them from cradle to grave. Purge out the useless idiot's.
Do you want shot or hung?
Starvation will work!
What is the number on your voters registration card?
Don't have one do ya? Just a big filthy mouth.
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