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A gay-rights advocacy group has called for the immediate resignation of the Marine Corps' commandant for his claim today that the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" could risk the lives of his Marines.
Gen. James Amos told a group of print reporters today that the recent Pentagon report on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" revealed that the repeal of the law could result in "distractions" that could threaten Marines in combat.
"Mistakes and inattention or distractions costs Marines lives," Amos said. "I take that very seriously. I don't want to lose any Marines to the distraction. I don't want to have any Marines that I'm visiting at Bethesda [Naval Hospital], with no legs be the result of any type of distraction."
In a brief statement, the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a gay servicemembers-rights group demanded, "Gen. Amos needs to fall in line and salute or resign now."
In his confirmation hearing and a recent hearing on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," Amos has openly stated his opposition to the immediate repeal of the law while his Marines are actively engaged in fighting the war in Afghanistan.
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Perhaps these folks should grab a weapon and man a post.
Perhaps, the Marine Corps' commandant should consider those who are fighting to keep his @ss alive haven't caused distractions.
Repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" it's way past time. get rid of the arcane commandant. Get ride of the Republican hysteria. Every civilized nation has the LBGT in it; including Israel; which btw is why we are there.
So DADT works. BTW - 85% of gays serving don't want their units to know they are gay.
He cites the report that revealed that the repeal of the law could result in "distractions" that could threaten Marines in combat.
He says "Mistakes and inattention or distractions costs Marines lives," "I take that very seriously. I don't want to lose any Marines to the distraction."
And you nuts vilify him for caring about his Marines' lives. The Marines fighting for America. All for the lame duct rush to pass your little social agenda issue. Talk about hysteria and histrionics.
Take time and get it right with the new Congress.
bob-1805084
He says "Mistakes and inattention or distractions costs Marines lives," "I take that very seriously. I don't want to lose any Marines to the distraction."
And you nuts vilify him for caring about his Marines' lives. The Marines fighting for America. All for the lame duct rush to pass your little social agenda issue.
Pathetic.
The Tea Bagger dictionary probably has your picture next to the word pathetic. You know what's pathetic? You are for not realizing the conditions you described about fewer*gasp*combatants is already happening which lessens your security @home and abroad; Ugh!
Does anyone know or (remember) whether or not back during the draft if declaring you were gay kept you from going to Nam?
I know having flat feet was enough to keep you home & safe!
This is what happens when you start mixing politics with the military.
I saw this coming. The military is not a democracy and it is a society within a society. An outside fringe group should NEVER have any say in whether a servicemember remains or stays. The military will just ignore these nuts and keep driving on.
If any of you in here has ever commanded troops, then you would understand where this man is coming from. If you have not been there, you have no idea of the tremendous responsibility.
His responsibility is to his troops first and not to society in general. If the military acted upon public sentiment this world would be in terrrible shape.
Whats pathetic is Beverly in Chicago's comments... no clue!
This is why our Secretary of Defense mentioned that in the military, you don't ask everyone what their opinion is - that's NOT how the Military is run. I exepect that if you ask all the soliders fighting in Afganistan whether they actually want to be there, most would say "nope".
What would we do then? Tell them to stand up..grab a weapon and man a post!! , right ?
All those WWII movies that you see on TV ( Saving Private Ryan, When we we Soldiers ) - ever see any African American soldiers? That's because if you were balck in WWII, you were cooking. Blacks were thought to have poor night vision and not be very courageous.
This was in 1944-45 !!
I agree with "Fiesty" - I don't think that during the Vietnam draft, you could get out for saying you were gay...think there were no gay soliders in Vietnam?
The entire DADT argument is silly. Its politics at its best. Politicians always say that the don't want judges to legislate from the bench, but politicians are afraid to vote on anything too hard or something that could lose them votes later. For DADT, the WANT the judges to strike it down, that way they can get what they want and also say "it wasn't our fault"
The Marine Corps commander works for the Joint Chiefs and the Secretary of Defense. If they say jump, then his opinion is mute. Its the Military - you follow orders or you die..its that simple ( to steal words from Jack N. )
"I know having flat feet was enough to keep you home & safe!"
Or, some weird kind of butt problems like Limbaugh. Saaaay.....maybe they knew something way back then?
Feisty, You had to do a little more than just declare you were Gay, anyone could say that. You had to at least have a letter from a pysche professional that he had interviewed you and he thought you were gay. Then they sent you the draft notice with instructions to show up at the Group W bench, (nothing to do with the fashion mag). Then the Army Pysche would interview you and stamp your papers "unfit for military service". Apparently they thought gays were a bigger problem in the military than war protesters, because if you dropped out of college and protested the war they would draft you immediately.
If we had a draft today I doubt we would be fighting two wars on foreign soil. The draft was a big cause of war protesting. Not to mention the fact that Viet Nam was just as unjustifiable as Iraq and Afganistan are. Same government BS, same quagmire, same bunch of cowboys running the show. At the time the entire South China sea was leased to American oil companies and slated for massive exploration, does that tell ya anything?
Thanks for the clarification Merc8 & I agree with the rest of your thoughts 110% ;0)
At the time about half the political and artistic underground suddenly became classified as "Type Y" which was a euphemism for Gay, or the bottom of the barrel. You would be called up only in the event of an invasion of American soil!
nice job beverly introducing the word "pathetic" (1.3) as part of bobs comments (1.2) and then using it as a way to denigrate him. I see that you also used some creative cut and paste when you left out his remarks...
Perhaps we should refer everyone to your "tea bagger" dictionary for the definition and origins of "stupid is as stupid does" that list you as a synonym as well as the origin of why the the phrase came about.
Beverly in Chicago
"Perhaps, the Marine Corps' commandant should consider those who are fighting to keep his @ss alive haven't caused distractions"
Perhaps that is because they don't ask or tell. It is easy for Chicago leftists who believe the world revolves around only them don't understand marines during war time and probably don't understand the military anytime, because they have never served and think everything is black and white.
Bottom line Bev: you really don't care if people die because of your own selfishness.
Beverly in Chicago
The Tea Bagger dictionary probably has your picture next to the word pathetic. You know what's pathetic? You are for not realizing the conditions you described about fewer*gasp*combatants is already happening which lessens your security @home and abroad; Ugh!
Actually, the teabagger dictionary says that you are a teabag and should be thrown overboard. That is what teabaggers do, throw teabags overboard, just like they did to the house last month.
Merc8
Just so you know, and for the record. Group W was not a draft classification. It was a form or letter that a draft registrant received because they had several more serious misdemeanor convictions and or felony convictions. They were then reevaluated based on their crimes and criminal records. Group W had nothing to do with being Gay. Had a person been proven to be Gay they were classified as 4F, Registrant not qualified for any military service.
1-Y was classified as Registrant available for military service, but qualified for military only in the event of war or national emergency. Again this clasification has nothing to do with being gay or fighting a war on American soil only.
Group W bench is only a phrase from the song “Alice’s Restaurant” in 1967 and nothing more.
In the sixties I lived in the "Alices Restaurant" version of reality so I am sticking with my Group W Bench story. I never claimed it was a draft classification. And as far as drafting war protesters the army wouldn't hesitate to do so. I guessed that 1-Y was a classification give to someone not far enough gone to be 4F, but just able bodied enough to shoulder a rifle if handed one. Or maybe they gave someone of questionable moral standing that classification.
Well by all means, lets not have a GENERAL in the UNITED STATES MARINE CORP have any say about the troops he commands........fire him....run him out of town on a rail......court martial him.....call for his resignation.
By all means,............lets have the gays decide military policy.
Exactly what does the GENERAL have to say? Nothing rational or coherent. Who is being distracted? Exactly what kind of "distraction" would there be? NONSENSE. Gay people are already serving and giving their lives -- without any distractions for bigots such as this commandant.
Hey Proud--
How sure are you that Amos is heterosexual? Would it flip your Republican lid if he was a deep-closeted homosexual? Oh, like say, Larry "Toilet Ho" Craig? What would you say if that was revealed? That his command of the Marines during his gay tenure was flawed? My father and cousins have served in the military (Marines and Air Force--Korean War and Desert Storm). They, and the majority of Americans think this arcane policy has run its course. So, what are you homophobic, closeted, sex-obsessed "proud Republicans" afraid of? That you'll be too busy getting your own freak on as RPGs and live rounds were headed your way? Ever occur to you that you people are the only ones who think about that when the subject of gays in the military comes up? Allow me the use of a colloquial retort: Proud Republican This!...
No, Congress will decide. One would hope Congressd would listen to much higher ranking military people who have said DADT should be repealed. As for the gays protesting and calling for his resignation--first amendment rights apply to gays as well, just the same as the conservatives at their rallies with their often hateful signs.
And First Amendment rights apply to this Marine Corps General, too, Jody. According to this post, the General said nothing that is bigoted.
The open-minded among us are proving that they are really the close-minded.
Mad in CT, even if the General was gay, how would that make any difference whatsoever for his opposition to repealing DADT while in the midst of combat? He said nothing untoward about homosexuality or homosexuals serving in the military. He is simply saying that, perhaps, DADT shouldn't be repealed at a time when the military already has its hands full with those pesky little terrorists.
You people are ridiculously irrational.
Amos should resign because he is clearly ignoring the chain of command. And yes I am a veteran and gay, go figure.
Hey Jill from Tulsa, OK--
You have no credibility on this repeal of DADT issue. You are from a state that just recently, stupidly passed a law banning the application of Sharia law. A law that has less than a zero probability chance of being applied anywhere in the US, let alone the rural countryside of OK. The fact that you ridiculously irrational people actually passed such a law based on sheer lunacy suggests that you are ill-equipped to apply rational thought to these issues...Good luck with that anti-Sharia thing!
Hey Mad in CT,
It is contrary to liberal thought to stereotype and/or generalize who I am or what I think based on the political leanings of the state from which I come.
Yet another example of an "open-minded" liberal forming a very close-minded opinion.
How about just asking the General to either grow up, and stand up for the American principle of equality he has pledged his life to defend, or retire?
The military is not a democracy. What the commanders say is called orders. We follow orders.
No, lets have the United States Constitution decide Military Policy, those are the principles the General has pledged to defend with his life. Its time he did so without equivocation.
The thing is, Merc8, I doubt DADT would pass as an amendment to the Constitution, so the courts and Congress is probably the only way that it would be repealed.
And FYI - Why should one groups sexual preferences have greater precedence over another's? According to the UCMJ ANY public display of affection is punishable. Sexuality has no place in uniform.
jody, iowa - LOL!! post (2.3), why didn't you include liberal rallies with their often hateful signs as well?? Aren't they afforded the same protections under the 1st amendment?
merc8 - article 1 section 8 already gives congrees that power, an amendment is not required , much like an amendment was not required for the civil rights act of 1964.
Tammy - good point on the UCMJ. I just got done reading a blog concerning the UCMJ and DADT that raises some concerns for me on the repeal of DADT and its implications with the UCMJ. I would suggest that anyone thinking that the repeal of DADT would be simple and easy to do read this blog and the arguments the poster presents.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread621767/pg1
I still maintain that if an individual wants to serve in the military in support of the US Constitution and to potentially die in defense of the US Constitution let them whether gay or straight, male or female
dmp-773266
"Exactly what does the GENERAL have to say? Nothing rational or coherent. Who is being distracted? Exactly what kind of "distraction" would there be? NONSENSE. Gay people are already serving and giving their lives -- without any distractions for bigots such as this commandant."
So you are saying that having openly gay people showering with nongays won't be a distraction? Then why not just eliminate women's barracks and have them sleep and shower with the men. Shouldn't be any distraction there either, based on your logic.
You lefty teabags make everything political. That is why we can't win any wars. Wars should be conducted by the military and politics should be left out of it. And the military should be the decider of who can serve and how they serve. The military isn't a democracy. It is a dictatorship. If that ever ends America ends with it.
Our entire military is subject to another set of laws. It is called the UCMJ. The UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE. However they are, at the same time, subject to all our laws.
If the Marines are so good at following orders then just order them to not be distracted, heck it is not a democracy, it is the military.
It's disgusting and disgraceful that we're using our armed forces as a playground for politics. It's bad enough that we have to endure this B.S. on the homefront.
Discrimination isn't politcs, it is a human rights issue.
Steven - Sexuality has absolutely no place in uniform. ASnd I'll ask you as well - Why should one group's sexual preferences have precedence over another's?
All DADT does is say don't shove your sexuality in another's face, especially when in uniform. What you do in your own bedroom when not in uniform is not a concern to most military members.
Tammy: in your ignorance you make the correct point. Why SHOULD one group's sexual preference have precedence over another. I know you have trouble with complex thought, but right now, heterosexuals are favored by DADT. DADT does NOT say "don't shove your sexuality in another's face" (and really Tammy, how graphic.) It says that one group can talk about their families, their weekends, their leave and with whom they spent it and one group can't. Get it?
newday - apparently you crawled out from under a rock to make your post 3.3.
In your obvious effort to elevate your mind to some semblance of equality with your fellow posters you do so come off as an individual portraying an attitude of elitist superiority. An ill conceived attitude that shows no regard to the intellegent use of the english language in presenting a viable argument for discussion. It appears that you would fit in well with beverlys self portrayal of herself in her "tea baggers" dictionary for 'siasd' just another synonym for it is all you are.
BTW you might want to read the following blog if you think that DADT favors straight people, or does the concept of thinking scare you?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread621767/pg1
Please do spare us your inarticulate rhetoric flames for surely your eyes will cross looking down your nose at those more interested in discussion than you are in trying to be a cyber bully.
Poor "american". I am always amused at how, when challenged, the lessors amongst can only come up with the charge "elitist". So, you join the "teabaggers" in celebrating ignorance? How wonderful. Now, how do I make this simple for you: let's try this: If you have one group of people who are allowed to talk about their families, including their spouse, and one group that may not do the same, a child would recognize the favoritism implicit in the policy. If you think about it for a good long while, I'm sure you can too. Now, to any objective observer who has the great misfortune to waste time reading your post, it is clear that you are doing the bullying, mainly because you feel threatened by the erudite. Again, reducing it down to its simplest form, if you don't like what I write, don't read it. One would hate to think you are upset by views that differ from yours.
newday - I do so appreciate your show of arrogance and elitism when you post..
.And you even claim to be a psychiatrist as well. LOL!!!
It is rather unfortunate that you "newdaydying" can only understand the same type of rhetoric that you yourself promote. Rather simplistic on your behalf, wouldn't you agree??
By the way you have yet to post anything to convince anyone of your stance on DADT or on how it relates to the UCMJ. Really, favoritism...
Don't see your logic that the gay can't talk about their families or loved ones, but being the child you are you seem to sense the favoritism. Hmmmmmmmm. Homophobic are you???
Again, reducing it down to its simplest form, if you don't like what I write, don't read it. One would hate to think you are upset by views that differ from yours.
Unlike yourself I enjoy discussions that discusses the points written in an article, even if I disagree with the poster, rather than the poster who can only use razzle-dazzle BS to denigrate and distract the readers. As I have said before, occasionally one has to post rebuttals in the same manner as the opposing poster. Life goes on.
Apparently, there are no gays in the Marines because General James Amos implies that if there were, it would be a distraction and could cost lives. Hate to break the news to him but he has had, currently has and will continue to have gays under his command--the question is do they have to lie and break their code of honor in order to serve their country? My guess is the General would have said the same thing if the military were still segregated and President Harry Truman would have told him to get do it anyway.
Jody...I can assure you there are no openly gay jar-heads and if I was a gay marine I wouldn't want any marine to know I was a tootie fruitie in his foxhole....get real bleeding heart kum bay ya sickos
Jody, the General said nothing about there being homosexuals in the Marines or that homosexuals in the Marines were a distraction under the current rules, i.e., DADT. But that's just the point, Jody. He was talking about DADT and how a repeal at this time may result in distraction amongst the ranks which may put the lives of soldiers in jeopardy.
Get a freaking grip.
Someone needs to get a freakin grip & HINT it's not Jody...
Still chasing ambulances there Jilly?
Still sitting on your ever-growing backside eating popcorn constantly refreshing your computer screen so as not to miss a moment of First Read and/or Newsvine there, Feisty?
I don't chase ambulances, Feisty, but even if I did, at least I work.
The day you have something either substantive or resembling original thought to contribute, Feisty, is the day he!! freezes over.
Your popcorn is burning!
Fisty Redbush, you obviously have no clue either. Read the article...Liberal Fvcktard.
Good Afternoon, Feisty
Someone needs to get a freakin grip & HINT it's not Jody...
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And me neither Feisty; get a grip & a HINT, clueless JFK-2112
Can I ask WHY you're still checkin out my a@@? Ya Freak!
Is there something you want to tell us? This would be the perfect thread to come out on dontcha think?
Your obsession is becoming un-nerving...
PS: Hiya Bev! The right wing nitwits seem more restless than usual this afternoon! lmao
Feisty- she chases cars......
......In Oklahoma. Nuff said.
Hey,
Let's give Feisty a break. She may be at the political south pole, but at least she's in there pitching. Better than can be said of about 90% of Americans. Apathy is the real enemy.
Feisty, I don't need to "come out" anywhere, as I am straight and engaged to a really great guy. However, rest assured that if I did fancy the female sex, I most certainly wouldn't be checking out your backside. And obsession? Ha! I am always amazed at the complete absence of original thought within your posts and I wonder how it is that you can possibly have a job or a life and still find time to post on here 24/7, but I don't think that qualifies as obsession. While we're talking about obsession, I think that it would be more accurate to say that you are the one obsessed with me...after all, it was YOU who decided to inanely respond to my post.
And drive-by, what can I say? Your oh-so-clever little insult has really hurt my feelings. Actually, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, as I'm not exactly sure what you're attempting to imply (I suspect that you are attempting to cast me as a "dog" but I'm not sure why you took the time to elaborate with "in Oklahoma"), but still...your fragile self-esteem probably needs to think that you've really delivered with that attempt at an insult. Well done, drive-by!!
Well who would of thunk it Edward? We've found some common ground! TRUE THAT ;0)
PS: Whatever little Jilly - are you aware you used 'I' at least a DOZEN times... Self absorbed MUCH?
Really hon... has anyone ever told you it's not ALL ABOUT YOU? If by some chance NOT... let me be the your first!
Better get a move on it... I hear a siren.... woof woof!
My goodness, Feisty, little Jilly is irritated. She does have difficulty losing debates, doesn't she?
I hear you NDD... from little Jilly... but... but... IT'S ALL ABOUT ME....
WHAAAAAAA! lmao!
Fiesty you should be laughing, laughing with insanity,for just where did you dredge up this comment in 4.3 that you imply jill f made...
Please keep to your comedic relief as your attempts at lying are quite lame.
Newday - and you have extreme difficulty in even creating any post that encourages a debate to even be made. Tell us... Were you born stupid, or do you just practice being stupid?
Okay, Jill From The OK corral, what the hell does your heterosexual merit badge have to do with DADT repeal and a commandant's inane commentary on the issue?
Poor american: you ARE jealous, aren't you? It must be difficult for you to read what I write, and have no way to comeback except with personal attack. But, it is amusing, and one does need a good laugh from time to time. By the way, I wasted a few minutes perusing that article you mention. It is apropos of nothing, purely opinion by someone not terribly bright, but I am certain that you consider the author to be akin to God. For those of you in need of amusement that have time to waste, do read it. I highly recommend it for the entertainment value, and also a marker of what american considers to be of great value.
Perhaps you should ask your little friend Feisty what my sexual orientation has to do with this blog post. She's the one who brought it up.
I understand that you all (i.e., newday, Feisty, and Mad) have nothing better to do with your lives than sit on a blog and insult people who make points that are contrary to your belief system, which, to me, seems like the very definition of intolerance (and I thought only the "righties" were intolerant....hmmm...). I just think it's sad.
Merry Christmas to you all, in any case, and I hope you all have a very Happy New Year!
newday you are such a sweety and such a fool. The blog merely brought up some points about the UCMJ and DADT repeals possible impact. Of course it was natural to believe that your itty bitty brain can't fathom what the poster was presenting as possible outcomes.
It is rather comforting that you recommend reading the blog as you state, in part...
How fitting that your words describe yourself to a 'T'
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread621767/pg1
Jill, have you given any consideration as to why you are SO fascinated by Feisty and I? Are you feeling left out? Maybe you could ponder that and gain some insight. However, a happy holiday to you too, and perhaps Santa might bring you a sense of humor if you ask nicely.
"american" I will say this as nicely as I can. That you have to repeat what I write simply because you have no ideas of your own does not a conversation make. Do try, in this New Year, to develop your own style. You bore me.
newday - without block quoting your comments,however can anyone such as yourself who claims to be "erudite" understand the points being discussed? You have shown a propensity of generating a very broad and wordy reply without really addressing the question at hand.
Think of me as a "guide" for others in pointing out the posters such as yourself who have demonstrated a complete lack of meaningful dialog to the subject at hand. It is with no wonder that you only limit yourself to limited FR blogs where you can continue to feed yourself upon narrow viewpoints without being subject to the variety of others viewpoints on a variety of subjects.
Hardly something I would think that one who claims to be erudite would support.
Arm hurt from patting yourself on the back poor" american?" Actually, you are a GUIDE for how not to write. I shudder to think that you inflict yourself on other blogs, but you have no way of judging where I post. You are, after all, not omnipotent, though you choose to believe that you are. But, you do bore me senseless, so shan't bother to read anything more from you.
He's not omniscient either.
oh goody, newday is going to stick her head back up where the sun don't shine!!
Based on your posts, please do tell us how you can be bored senseless, when your own posts make no sense? Aren't you happy that I am not omnipotent and omniscient as well, for if that were the case my posts would be posted a second or two before many of your vacuous posts pointing out the errors of your ways.
paul - why should I be? There is no fun in that.
Paul, I stand corrected, definitely a better word! Omniscient works SO much better, thanks!
I was enjoying the back and forth. Thank you.
paul - so was I! LOL!!!
"We follow orders, son. We follow orders or people die. It's that simple." - Col. Nathan R. Jessup, A Few Good Men
Well, if a Marine follows orders then his sexual orientation shouldn't matter, now, should it?
Does the General lack that much faith in the Marine Corps' training program that he has to worry about a Marine becoming a distraction?
Seems to me a properly-trained Marine will never be a distraction in combat and anyone who would be a distraction will never wear the title.
Amen.
Could not have said it any better
Well,...........We are getting a lot of arm-chair quarterbacking here. I have not been in the military and admit it. That is why I would listen to a high ranking commander on this situation.
ITM, what is your take on this?
Perfectly said, Da Noid.
What an idiotic thing to say Da Noid. Going from where we are to where you liberal fvcktards want us to be is not going to be an easy transition, especially for the Military.
"Improvise, Adapt and Overcome" - Unofficial Marine Corps Mantra
I stand by my statements...if DADT is repealed all concerned parties will do as they are ordered because that's what they do. That means if General Jones has a problem with LGBT in his Marine Corps he's just going to have to get over it if he wishes to remain in command if and when DADT is repealed.
But, what do I know...I'm just a "liberal fvcktard", right?
PS - Way to keep it classy!
If you've served in the crotch like I have, and you really get it all in one suitcase. You really know what disipline is, and you begin to detest those who lack it.
How does the General ignore the fact that gays are serving now? Is their service less valuable than their straight comrades at arms? If you don't have your Marines trained to focus on combat that blame lies squarely with YOU General. A bigot is a bigot. Time for the younger generation to take over.
I agree, the younger generation doesn't seem to have a problem just the old guys who like things they way they are.
When the younger generation obtain all of the rank, then maybe things will change to suit them. The same was said when I first enlisted. I was trained by some of those most hardened grunts that ever came out of Vietnam. That is the course i took throughout my career but I adjusted as things changed.
Right now they do not possess the rank and do not run anything. Maybe in about 10yrs a new generation will have taken over and we will see how that comes out. The older and longer a soldier serves the better he adjusts to the way of life.
Gays soldiers have always served but they knew not to openly display it because that was a dangerous situation. I have had soldiers ridiculed and assaulted so I know how dangerous it can get.
Gates and JCOS is politicians, they are no longer military men. They are going to do the political correct thing but they are not going to be in the field implementing this policy. The problems will arise in garrison not while you're getting shot at.
Easy NEWDAY,
He doesn't ask, and they don't tell. Simple.
The problem with the Marine Corp is it's been hijacked by religion. The soldiers are forced to constantly pray and meet with clergy when sane, normal people know its one giant fairy tale. Clearly this Marine is past his prime and he really should step aside. Anyone incapable of taking an order shouldn't be in the service. I wonder how many of his troops have been saved by gay soldiers...
Mark,
May I pray for you. It is obvious your upbringing was lacking.
Speaking of old guys, anyone remember when Eric Burdon had the Animals, and a hit called 'sky-pilot'? The words said SO much....
Save your prayers. You're likely going to need them.
I'm going OT here so I apologize, but I've always wanted to know the answer to this question and since Mark brought it up, maybe he'd be willing to answer. Exactly what cheap thrill is it that you get out of crapping on other people's belief system? I 100% respect your right to not believe in God, religion or anything else, frankly I'm no fan of organized religion but I don't get off on diminishing the belief of others either. It makes you appear petty and small.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/jack_ohman/index.ssf/2010/11/cartoon_private_behavior.html
Cartoon gives the most honest description of this Marine leader I have seen.
Ana, have you even read the article...obviously not.
JFK-2112,
Ask a question and then answer it yourself? Psychiatrists are available for your condition. Happy holidays to both of you.
Marine are the proud and few because they don't want openly gays in their foxhole and I don't blame them.....HOO-RAH!
You know, if I had read this post, and it wouldn't have had a name attached, I would have guessed some redneck name like Jim-Bob.
You see Jim Bob,
Just because your motivated, your called a redneck. This is typical of civilian slime. No motivation and no dicipline.
you're..........y o u ' r e .........you are..........how about a little discipline, d i s c i p l i n e with the English language? Slime.........really?
Perhaps some gays would be better served in the National Guard like in San Francisco, they could guard Castro St or at Cape Cod, they could guard some of the beaches from an invasion.
this guy is a clown how did he achieve this rank? imagine being in the hell of war bullets flying over your head bombs going off an all you can think of is someone gay, somewhere in the marine corps , people are shooting at me but i think someone is gay somewhere in new jersey? what should i do? this guy is a racist and a bigot
Heavens, what if the guy shooting at me is gay? Can I have his bullets declared non-lethal?
I see both points. Having been in the military for ten year, I agree that most gays currently in the military would rather keep their lives to themselves, regardless of what the law says. Additionally, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that EVERYBODY from the lowest ranking enlisted to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (the highest military rank of them all...except for George Washington, of course) put their fellow Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines FIRST. General Amos has an inherent responsibility to display concern.
However, I do believe this law is arcaic and, thus, should be repealed. But before then, a solid plan should be in place...the budget and the logistics of it all. There must be restrictions on every different group that's a part of the military because the reality is that a lot of us get really stupid with civilians in the US, host nationals overseas, and with our own. To be even more frank, we have a lot more serious issues to deal with in the military than this law. Consider the overhaul of our nuclear program, the two major overseas operations we're engaged in (New Dawn and Enduring Freedom), North Korea and Iran acting-up, the exhausting and constant deployments members are getting so tired of, the lack of resources that extends shifts such as mine from eight hours to 12-14 hours daily, etc, etc, etc.
Talk to me America!!!
mrs jimbon your a coward
I gots an idea. Since Fred Phelps and his ugly daughters are so worked up about gays in the military, maybe they can enlist (ok, maybe not old man Phelps), and work their way into the midst of them. Then, when they are in the shower and least expecting it, the ugly daughters can gragb a handful of you-know-what and start yanking on it, hollering "you bad boy!".
How about just asking the General to either grow up, and stand up for the American principle of equality he has pledged his life to defend, or retire?
That's exactly what is happening isn't it. Too bad this General can't see the hypocrisy in DADT, or maybe he relishes the power it gives him over other people's lives, or maybe he sides with those who rat others out for their own gain, or maybe he himself is a closeted gay and doesn't want to be found out, or maybe he is just a backward a$$ homophobe, or maybe he is a religious nut case imposing his religion on others, or maybe?????? the question is just when does he intend to back the constitution he has sworn to defend?? just when will he begin to think that dealing with the truth is preferable to dealing with policy ridden deception? If I am leading men into deadly combat I would want to know what makes them tick, I would want to know ALL the dynamics involved in my outfit, everyone of them.
We don't "win" wars because we have no interest in winning them. The military is full of tools and fools who have brainwashed themselves into believing that they are protecting our Constitution and our constitutional rights, and that they are on the right side of the right GOD in doing so.
The Military-industrial-congressional-complex is a war profiteering enterprise; military forces are their expendable tools. If you bother to win a war, people expect there to be a benefit and payout. No win, no payout.
We aren't winning wars because they have no honest purpose. We are losing wars because they were founded on LIES to begin with.
They are founded on lies in order to enrich the M.I.C.C.
They get the payout even when we "lose". The rest of us are denied a benefit because we didn't "win".
Who cares what some gay activist group wants. They are completely irrelevent. I know in their self-righteous world they are the utmost authority on domestic matters, but they are not. You don't see the Commandant breaking in on "Queer Eye" or "Dancing with the Stars" because that is not his area of expertise. The gays should show him the same courtesy, but that is not the liberal way. People need to realize that his job is hard enough without having to contend with social issues. DADT works just fine. If you want to serve, you can, period. It makes me sick that the most boisterous people are the ones that will never serve anyway. Put up or shut up! Semper Fi
And we taxpayers pay your salary, and you are responsible to the civilian government. You are sworn to uphold the Constitution, and that Constitution mandates equal rights for all.
My tax dollars pay for your 99 weeks of sitting in your a@@, so what's your point newday? Join the military and get the full aspect of things. In your own writing you said you never shot a weapon, but you're an expert on what the military should do. By the way newday we, by we I mean the people that served, is NOT responsible to the civilian government as you put it, it's the Federal Government.
Newday:
You seem to talk out of your flat arse everytime you attempt to validate your OPINION.
SERVICE MEMBERS PAY TAXES ALSO!!!!!!!! DUH........ So I guess basically we pay our own salaries. We have just as much invested as YOU and then some. That argument is stale.
Paul, you want to reference where I said I never shot a weapon, cause I'm not remembering that. The military is responsible to the civilian government. If you served, which I can't know, good for you, but that does not make YOUR opinion more relevant or more important than the Constitution that you swore to uphold. You do not have the right to discriminate, and you need to be respectful of the civilian oversight of the military. This is exactly why the Founders made certain that the military could never be more important then the Commander in Chief, the President of the United States. And to clarify for you Paul, since you seem unaware of this. The Federal Government IS all of US.
I served with gays. We knew who they were. Maybe the Air Force had more class, but they were never attacked or ridiculed. That takes as much class as straights being attacked by gays for being straight. Sexual comments and conduct was not allowed--PERIOD--while on duty. Most of us had lives that did not include invading the privacy of others while off duty.
Just out of curiosity -
Of those of you who favor the repeal of DADT - Have you actually served in the military?
Because, as far as I'm concerned, if you haven't served or are not currently serving, your 'opinion' is worthless. If you have served or are currently serving, you know that sexuality is nearly a non-issue, especially while in uniform and that nobody really cares what you do when you are not in uniform and off duty.
I'm still entitled to it.
Gen. James Amos is a coward ...as much as i would prefer the young straight religious men get their brains blown out over a gay person ...is besides the point ...This poor excuse for a man knows he is lying .. the military commission has spoken and he is the help ..he needs to follow orders or get his sorry butt ...kicked out of that position !!!!
the president should call all the leaders of the military to appear on stage with him while he gives a speech to end dadt and those leaders who do not agree to appear will resign or be dismissed. END OF DEBATE
Merc8 actually they collapsed several of the 4F's into the 1Y classification I was classified 4F because I was 6'8" too tall for the draft a few years later they reclassified me as 1Y. They referred to it as a non-physical, physical disability. You gotta love the Military and their wording.
He heads the gayest branch of the service. If "distractions" are going to kill Marines in the future, they've been killing them for ages already. The lady doth protest too much.
Sorry sunshine, but even when there was a draft, you could not be drafted into the Marine Corp. Sometimes you could not even enlist.
Wrong Settersperch,
I remember standing in line in my underwear with a bunch of draftees at the Armed Forces Examining Center in Chicago in 1967. They went down the line, and every fourth inductee was put into the Marine Corps. Simple as that.
Most of the liberals posting on this page have never served and never will so they have no standing in what DADT is about.
They are civilians with no military mindset.
As poster earlier stated and I agree with, I would love to see the draft come back. Then they can all run to Canada again.
Civilian life and military life are two entirely different things.
A minority of civilians screaming for the head of the Marine Corp, what a joke, go climb back under the rock you came from.
Our Constitution put the military squarely in control of the civilians by having all members of the military report to the President of the United States as Commander In Chief. If that civilian authority says that DADT should be repealed then that's that.
What an asinine comment by someone who has made the military his life, in the branch which supposedly maintains the most extreme degree of discipline, where your commander is your God. The military is not a democracy, never was, and the Marines the least so. If your commanding officer told you to wear a tutu, your response would be, "How pink, SIR?" Distractions? As if there are no distractions in military life? Lousy food, lousy living conditions, ill health, religious discrimination (a big problem now in the military - if you aren't a born-again Christian, you get browbeaten into joining and attending megachurches ON BASE). Limits on contact with family and friends, limits on online access, limits on speech - all of these are FINE, but HEAVEN FORBID a Marine be forced to knowingly serve with a gay Marine - that's just too much to bear. A total load of garbage from a fossilized bigot. He should resign because he is past his usefulness.
Thank you for correcting Tammy, newday! She CLEARLY has no clue as to the real meaning of DADT and it's impact!
Your welcome, airforcef16, nice to get some support!