Familiarize yourself with the legislation that would turn on the taps for an invasion to complete the third-world flushing of this country. Canada is going to start policing their border better if the invaders are choked off here.

I cant stand people like you, you are probably going to Hell anyway because of your inhumanity.

Thanks for the laugh, BlackThought. Your opinion of me is absolutely none of my business.

Being a US citizen has value, giving this "value" to illegal immigrants and nothing of equal value to legal citizens will be totally unfair & unequal to Americans. And if this is retroactive, where's my money?

stupid nazi americans, you hate us because we have more potential than you.

Vaillegal: It's not that we have more potential per say, but we are generally more motivated to do well in everything we do. It's like we are trying to prove everyone who stands against us, wrong. But I do agree that many people tend to have a prejudice against us... I wonder if they even realize there are plenty of Indian, Chinese, Japanese, etc that are undocumented? In the past it's been other races and ethnicities, so maybe overtime, it will no longer be us and we'll be appreciated... But there will always be somebody who think they're better than us all.

jdbird: did it ever occur to you that not having friends or family with you is also unfair? In this sense and others the DREAM Ac is actually protecting us and our rights. If I woke up tomorrow and all my friends were gone and the people that work for very little pay and pick my vegetables and do the work I wouldn't want to do (because I was fortunate enough to be born in this country, for better or worse, and therefore I have a choice) It wouldn't be the same country anymore. Worse yet, do you understand how hurt the friends and families of these kids and even adults would be? How us that fair to me, the American Citizen, which was born here and didn't DISCRIMINATE when she made friends?

Finally, It's not just hispanics, people. It's any immigrant that is not legally here.

Why not let them get licenses and drive legally? They'd do it if they needed to, even if it were illegal. Most of this stuff is really common sense. Don't let your prejudices get in the way of rational thought.

Put yourself in the shoes of an undocumented teenager who grew up in America. Imagine if you were brought to America, against your will from another country, while you were a baby and then you grew up in America. You then went to primary and secondary school in America, you contributed to American society, you may have even fought in Iraq for America because you love this country you grew up in. Culturally, you are an American, but you are not considered an American because you don't have that little piece of paper calling you an American and you could be immediately deported to a country you have never known. This is not right. America is a country built on fairness. Everyone wants to dehumanize this issue by calling these undocumented kids "illegals". But to commit a crime, intent is needed. How can a 2 year old baby have the intent to enter America illegally? These kids did not have the intent. These kids should not be punished for the crimes of their parents it is not the fair or just thing to do. America we are better than that. Help these kids and let them contribute to the society they love.

Yes, BUT these kids have gained the benefit of an education they wouldn't have had, so it's not like this was such a terrible thing for them. My only concern is that their parents are still guilty of committing a crime ... and therefore, for me to support this act, there would have to be a clause that prohibits the children who are granted citizenship to turn around and sponsor the illegal parents.

Please read MORE about this bill. The pro for it are emphasizing that it is for TEENS, (that includes anyone under 35). When did a teen become ages 20-35? It says if you are one of those persons, you can go to college and also join the military. HOWEVER, there are NO enforcement words in the bill. The "teen" does NOT have to finish college, and does NOT have to enlist in the military! Ask your representative and senators to prove that. Once the "teen" turns 21, he/she can become a citizen, and THEN can bring its parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, you name it, any and all relatives into the United States. Pretty nice bribe, wouldn't you say? In the meantime, students who ARE citizens will not get the $$ help to go to college, and the competition for entrance into colleges will excelerate because of allowing illegals to attend. There are only so many entries allowed (because of space, money, size of faculty, etc. comprende?) AlSO, this bill is not about anyone BORN in United States. They ARE citizens. This bill is about anyone whose PARENTS BROUGHT THEM illegally, as children, INTO UNITED STATES. That is the big difference. Yes, it was not the childrens' doing BUT they are NOT citizens, and should have to go to the back of the line of the other millions, who have already applied to come to U.S.A., and are awaiting for their acceptance.

It won't be pretty if American citizens are told to bend over once again and take one for the invasion across our southern border. It won't be pretty at all.

Rosalita, you're only worried about the Southern border? Racism a little? ...or much!

The Republithugs are engaged in class warfare in case you haven't noticed. The 'haves' vs 'have-nots'! Republithugs hate poor people no matter the color! Republithugs hate minorities! Republithugs hate gays!

Hate is all Republithugs push.....

See? The only reaction is accusations of racism. Once again, for the Rhodes Scholars among us, it is a matter of economics, social impact, and rule of law. Of course I don't expect your mind to entertain anything but emotional demands.

I actually am still registered as a Democrat. Obama cured me along with millions of others who made the mistake of campaigning for and voting for him.

Oh, the Southern border is probably where the Canadians cross illegally!

My Bad!

You, Rosalita, should try extending a little emotion like 'kindness'

Your comment might be clever if it made any sense.

Kindness? Oh please. I'm for some kindness to the citizens of this country that have been abused by the invading welfare/criminal class receiving $113 Billion of our money annually when American citizens are in need. Kindness, like charity, begins at home.

Rosalita- you are absolutely correct, what people don't realize is that this is nothing more than backdoor amnesty, onc they complete their two year "requirement" they will be able to bring their extended families here from whatever third world sh*thole they came from, not to mention who decides what constitutes "good moral character" the fact tht they are here illegally tells me they have no moral character. NO DREAM ACT,NO AMNESTY

chilled ?? The dems are the ones who categorize people to fire them up against others. The repubs treat all people as people not members of a sub group. Yes there will always be people with more money, that is the reward & incentive to do more & make more of yourself. The people who own businesses risk far more than their workers, they put in many more hours, & they can not just leave for something that pays more.

Try and listen with out prejudging to democrats & republicans talk, the segregation & name calling comes from one group. The opportunity for advancement with out penalizing others will come from the other.

As kids didn't we all want to grow up & make a million dollars? None of us said we wanted to grow up & be given food, money & stuff that others paid for, or unwillingly give away half of what we made to things we knew did not help or work.

We do need both sides, & as we have seen any one side with to much power is not a good thing, we need a rational balance. Plus we all need to grow up & realize when politicians are buying our votes at the cost of others.

Republicans had no say in the union stimulating stimulus bill. They wanted to correct & fix the heath care bill, but were all but ignored. The dems & Obama had the numbers & decided they did not need to listen.

I have not been a big fan of standing in the way & blocking all things, but when you are ignored & see things going wrong what else can you do?

The analogy of the republicans driving into the ditch is a good one. If you are driving down hill & the breaks go out, & you are going faster & faster down hil, you turn into the ditch to avoid catastrophe.

Until last month the republican leaders could not meet with the president at the White House. Obama had union leaders there more than anyone else. Because of the arrogant lead they had in the house & Senate, they choose not to talk with republicans. I think that is what voters saw back in November, was the arrogance that existed to that point.

We needed to address the economy first & the health care second. We need politicians with some business sense& back ground. Maybe that is why Obama finally let them in to talk.

Here's one! Round 'em up and move 'em out! Actually, I am for cutting off the $113 Billion they cost us annually off so they will round themselves up and move themselves out.

Ignorant, you know nothing!

If a parent commits a crime, & they go to jail, isn't the child punished? If the parent robs a bank & gets away with it, the child will receive some of the benefits.

As a country we must draw a line some place that is not moved by each political party to gain votes.

Yes it looks cruel to send kids back to their parents country, but it is ultimately the fault of the parent not the government enforcing the laws.

Rosalita - studies have implied that illegal immigrants are a net gain to the economy.

jdbird - It would be rather silly to disallow the more productive members of the illegal immigrant class access to the U.S. As military bound/college educated members of society, they would contribute more than the average citizen.

Anon,

Rosalita - studies have implied that illegal immigrants are a net gain to the economy.

Wow that really makes your case! "studies have implied". Can you get any more vague? Well the "facts" are that the taxpayers of this country pay billions of dollars to deal with the costs of illegal immigration.

I actually agree with the concept of allowing a path to citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants who were brought here at a very young age and have lived here almost their entire lives. However, they should have to serve 8 years in the military, period. If they want to go to college, they can go after serving in the military. Also, they must not commit any crimes as a condition of citizenship. If the children are under age 16 when it is determined they are not here legally, then they can return to their country of origin with their parents. Those over age 16 can stay if they can support themselves and find a family to take them in.

Jefferson - I wasn't trying to blind you with light or anything. Rarely do political discussions result in one person's siding with the other, and on the internet I would imagine that's even less likely. I was merely offering the view that some people (who are likely more educated on the subject than you or I) would have something to say about the cost Rosalita mentioned.

It is kind of hard to find hard facts on people that are paid under the table. It's also difficult to sort out where their benefit to the economy is seen. Economists believe that most of the burden is held by the states while the benefit is seen at the national level.

Here's an article: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/05/14/why-americans-think-wrongly-that-illegal-immigrants-hurt-the-economy.html

Why would you require DREAM applicants to serve for 8 years if they can finish school and provide more in tax revenue more quickly? If your argument is that immigration is a drag on the economy, why not let those that can pay off that financial debt more immediately?

Extortion! They will take whatever they can get by any means whatsoever. If they want to feel enfranchized, let them go home. It is not our place to provide for the criminal invaders' children. I use the term children loosely - this "dream" covers them into adulthood.

I think the point is that for these kids born here to illegal immigrants, they are home.

What is the downside? I looked at the pdf that Joshua posted above, but it seems like it would open a path toward legal residence and citizenship to more immigrants. Is that really a bad thing? Rosalita, you seem very angry about these folks being here and taking services that they are not entitled to based on the fact they aren't tax paying citizens. Why not make them tax paying citizens? The idea that you can find and deport all of these people is not realistic.

It would seem that we need to find ways to deal with the ones that are here that is as equitable as possible. Requiring attaining a degree or serving in the military at least would seem to ensure that in return for looking the other way about their un-lawful entry they will repay us with tax dollars and service. It seems practical.

People have been invading our country since its founding. What we have now is a system that doesn't seem capable of dealing with the number of people who want to come here to live. So they go around the system and become criminals. Locking them all up or sending them all back would require resources we don't have, so another solution is necessary. What are the other alternatives?

Common sense and history would seem to dictate that blocs of ethnic groups that have left their countries for our greener pastures have in the end (after we got over being afraid they would destroy our way of life) become assimilated into and added to our culture in mostly positive ways.

The war on the border is not with these people. It is with the drug lords and human chattel dealers. This shouldn't be fought on our borders with DHS agents. It should be fought with Special Operations Forces on the ground in Mexico and the other Latin American hotspots. If they are unwilling to cooperate then perhaps we use all of their citizens being rounded up and returned to them as leverage to get the cooperation we need.

We already have vast numbers of people here who only want to work, earn money & get out. So much so that they do not care to learn the language. How do you get 1,200 miles into a country with out learning the language?

Years ago people came north out of the hills for all the factory jobs. They stayed to themselves, did little for the community, & little to their homes to improve them. All of these people were only going to work, earn money, retire & move back home. They got married, had kids, & when it was time to go home, after 30 years, the kids wanted to stay, & so did the parent. Not a big problem except for 30 years these people did little or nothing for the place they lived. They existed, "IF" we can gain good citizens & not bribe them with this, or punish the rest of us, or start a run on the US, maybe it will work.

Didn't the Irish, Germans, Italians, Jews etc all go through similar cycles here? They lived in their ghettos and kept their heritage pretty pure. Eventually, they learned the language (not the old-timers) gained enough money that they could leave the ghettos and basically melted into our society. But, every northeastern city still has the Polish section of town, Italian, etc and over time (aside from street and store names) they just became part of town.

I just don't see the big difference this time around.

Another good reason for them to be deported along with their criminal parents!

jdbird wrote:

We already have vast numbers of people here who only want to work, earn money & get out. So much so that they do not care to learn the language. How do you get 1,200 miles into a country with out learning the language?

It's not for a lack of care. Sociological surveys have shown that immigrants feel alienated and stick together, insulating themselves from the rest of the culture. This hinders their learning of the English language (or the many ways in which we butcher it).

The way to fight illegal immigration, should you wish to do so, would be to punish the businesses that hire illegal immigrants -- just be prepared to pay more for the goods and services they were previously hired to produce. The DREAM act, however, provides a path to citizenship for kids who haven't known another home and, most importantly to you, will be a net gain for our country.

The big difference, Kowrie, is that my grandparents came here from Italy, went through Ellis Island (where they would have been immediately turned back if they had so much as a cough -- let alone TB!), learned the language, and began paying taxes. The took not one dime from the government, and they certainly never had the nerve to DEMAND that they be given ANYTHING! Do you realize how much town school systems spend on teachers to teach illegal children in their own language? The school systems also provide them with free breakfasts and lunches, among other perks depending on the town. That all comes out of property and other town taxes. THAT'S the difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

Becky,

Really? Not one dime? No one in their family went to public school before their oath of citizenship? They didn't walk on paved roads etc. etc. etc? It is not the common path for immigrants from that time not to go and live in ghettos (Little Italy and the like) while they learned the language.

I don't know if comparisons are fair with respect to entry point. I'm not an historian, but it seems like it was easier to police entry since most people who came from Europe came by boat and had to dock somewhere. I suppose that you might have rowed ashore unseen but that ocean crossing in a row boat can be a little tricky. I would imagine we would have had a lot more illegal immigrants in 1910 if they could have just walked across.

No doubt that it is a drain educating children of people not paying taxes. Make them citizens and homeowners and they will have to pay their fair share. I don't have any children in public schools but pay a ton of school taxes to support all those folks' kids who rent their houses. I don't love it, but I like living in a community where our kids get a decent education. Overall it helps my property value. It seems, however, you are more irritated that they are being taught in Spanish. I would support a Law making English the national language (it is the international language of business anyway) and then there will be no more federally subsidized schools teaching primarily in a language other than English.

I consider your use of the term "Little Italy" perjorative, bigoted and insulting. No, they did not live in a segregated Italian community. Actually, they were from Austria but had an Italian surname so they were lumped in with Italians. First, my grandfather came over here with a shovel and did whatever work he could to make enough money to bring my grandmother here. He learned English from the people with whom he worked. He also made enough money to purchase 40 acres of land to farm. ... in an area where there were no paved streets, since that's such an issue for you. He didn't send for her until he had enough money for her passage, a place for them to live, and a farm so they could make money. And they both took their oath of citizenship before they even had any children. They did send their children to public schools, but by that time they were paying the same taxes that anyone in their very poor bracket would have paid. You can hardly compare them to people who sneak over the border, take either welfare or our jobs, and drive up our property taxes by sending their children to public schools. My family came here legally and paid their own way.

Unless you are a Native American we are all immigrants or immigrant's decedents here. I'm glad your grandparents were such unique and enterprising people. We need more of it. But I'm also glad that my ancestors were too, and the guy who sits in the next office down and so on and so forth. Be proud of your family but lets not get worked up.

In my town when you drive into the Bloomfield section there is a big beautiful sign that says "Welcome to Bloomfield, Pittsburgh's Little Italy" so excuse me for not believing that to be a pejorative. I understood that nice big sign and the pride my Italian American Neighbors have in their heritage and town to mean they sort of liked it. Of course that is not withstanding all the other Little Italy's around the country like the section of New York. The word "ghetto" has some negative connotation, but it only means a section of town that is dominated by a particular ethnic group. Pittsburgh has Bloomfield, Polish Hill, The South Side Flats, Up Town etc. and they are all dominated by the immigrant groups that originally populated the area. The people in the Hill District of Pittsburgh are pretty proud of their African American heritage and the incredible amount of historical relevance their community has with regard to the Arts. I digress, but at least you know where I'm coming from.

My point is that what is happening now with Hispanic immigration and the Latin ghettos is just history repeating itself in a lot of ways. We would have had to have figured out a way to deal with rampant illegal immigration before now if, as I said before, the Europeans could have walked across the border. It is a lot easier to turn a ship full of people around at the dock if the quota is reached for the year than to stand guard across a huge, unpopulated, desolate land border and turn the people away one at a time.

You are right. Legal immigration makes things much smoother. But all those people are here driving up your taxes and stealing resources from your kids. Can't afford to round them all up and send them back or to prison, so we need a way to get them to pay their own way. I started this whole thread by stating that I don't know enough to know if the DREAM act is good or bad policy, but clearly something needs to be done.

Any ideas?

Trust me, BlackThought, don't take the Democrat's bending over for the invasion as any weakness whatsoever in the face of your impotent threat.

I'm pretty sure I didn't ask for your opinion, oh and trust me God is watching you!

Another laugh. Thanks.

Rosalita ........ i agree !!

Blackthought ........ this is for opinions ........ And i hope GOD is watching the whay they treat other people . Buy them all new cars to go back in it would be cheaper.

LOL!

blackthought, i agree with u :-)...there are so many ignorant people and we just have to ignore them.most ignorant people also happen to be the most arrogant ones.cause reality there the ones that wont do the job that an immigrant would do thats why the economy is so bad...they dont work together to build a better America...

Pray tell, it's not going to be good for the country! I"m curious. What is going to happen?

Don't paint with such a broad brush DREAM194. That sort of thinking is just as poisonous as the folks you are decrying. Exchange ideas, not punches.

They will not hear any of the economic or social impact reasons for stopping the invasion. Their arsenal is to shout insults at the people they have already stolen from because we don't want them to steal more. Sad really. The bums are demanding.

That is our problem now, we gave out amnesty before & they know we will do it again & again.

There needs to be a way to work towards becoming a US citizen, & those that do not work towards it need to be sent back (kids or not). How many immigrants have done things the right way at great financial costs. By waving the magical political wand overhead and giving out citizenship for nothing places little value on what we all have valued for years.

Giving citizenship to people who serve in the military or "finish college" is not fair to US citizens who also serve in the military & finish college. Why should one group receive more than the other?

Especially since it's us -- the legal citizens -- who are currently paying for the illegal children's education, healthcare, etc. That cost will just go up and up and up as these "children" (since when is a 34-year-old a child?) turn around and sponsor the criminals who brought them here for citizenship. Then, when Obamacare truly starts, we legal tax-paying citizens will get to compete for doctors with the criminals! Do they get part of my Social Security, too? This is just Harry Reid paying back the Hispanics in this state to whom he promised amnesty in return for keeping him in office. If we want to do something to help children of illegals down the road when our economy can stand the invasion, fine. The only reason Harry's rushing is because he knows this act will never be passed in its current form come January BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAID WITH THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER. He's just trying to ram something else down our throats.

So what do you do with them? How do you pay to round up roughly 20M or so people scattered across the country and send them back? Or how would you look to add them to the tax roles if you agree you can't send them all back or put them in prison? I'm not saying I'm in favor of this, but if they are here then we need realistic ways to deal with them.

I don't know what you do with the 2 year old. I suppose if INS finds his parents before he heads off to college he'll get deported and sneak back in through the desert again. The worst part of this issue is there is no clean way to deal with it.

You are right about the timing though. If the administration was doing the work of the majority of people they would be looking at small business tax policy and state grants to boost hiring. But, politically, you have to strike when you think you have the votes to deliver on a campaign promise. Not right, but not surprising either.

Enforce the laws and de-incentivise them. Self-deportation has proven it works for most. Handle the remainder over time.

The liberal argument is crazy. It is like saying millions and millions are still speeding everyday - lets quit writing speeding tickets - we need to find a legal way for these people to drive above the speed limits.

Makes no sense.

I work very closely with DHS Customs and Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- supplying Law Enforcement products. We sell tons and they are on a hiring and training binge. I am all for enforcement of the law; it makes me money. But dealing in the law enforcement market, I just don't believe we can round up the ones that are here in any sensible fashion. How do you encourage Self-Deportation? Are you going to offer amnesty crossing the border in the other direction or should they sneak back the way they came?

And, handling the rest over time just means turning a blind eye to the resources they will consume without contributing to the system until such time as we get around to finding them and encouraging them (in some way I don't understand) to go back where they came from. The speeding ticket argument doesn't make sense. That is a huge revenue generator. Turning immigrants into citizens instead of spending tons of money trying to get rid of people who want to contribute to our country is a huge revenue consumer.

Kowrie1,

They want to work. That is why the vast majority come. Crack down on employers. Issue work visas,(work legally). Enforce the laws. Secure the border.

Make them citizens for breaking the law? Absurd.

You get to pay for the illegals who are about to invade the country.

Isn't there always someone political gain to be had from a piece of legislation? It would seem that immigrants who work hard to pull themselves up by their own initiative fit the Republican narrative better. Perhaps they should be courting that bloc as well and preying on their sense of accomplishment as "Real Americans" who have triumphed in the face of adversity.

OK, so keep the children, but do not allow those children to turn around and sponsor their criminal parents for citizenship. That is just another incentive for people to steal through our borders -- STEAL being the operative word. And BTW, it's not just Hispanics. The reason Hispanics are talked about most often is because they are the ones demanding to be rewarded for breaking the law and because we happen to have a Hispanic country on our border. Where do they get off demanding anything?

OK, so keep the children, but do not allow those children to turn around and sponsor their criminal parents for citizenship.

How does that work? Deport the parents?

I would think they are raising the issue to try to get a change in the immigration policy of the country they wish to join as a citizen. Perhaps they are "demanding" it because the majority of those people are not drug dealers, and gang members and don't want the only narrative painting them as such.

You seem very energized about this Becky-2120568, so I'm sure you have some ideas about how best to deal with the illegal immigration issue. Care to share? We can discuss and maybe come to some new conclusions.

THANK YOU,MARCELLO-2764932!!!

Rosalita has serious emotional issues....perhaps venting here helps.

Republithugs always need a boogey-man to blame everything 'bad' on. Gotta' keep the low-informed scared!....Everything is the mythical 'bump in the night'. Be afraid, be very afraid!

Rosalitas' word from talking points is 'invasion'......invasion......yikes, be afraid!

....but, but......gotta keep the undocumented in the shadows...nice cheap/slave labor!

Rosalita is a very intelligent person who has probably actually READ the act and knows that, in its present form, it will cost $6.2B (according to the CBO.) And that number is before every one of those "children" brings in their family members! Have none of you happened to notice that we are in severe financial straits? This country can't afford to spend one more penny on Democrat pet projects.

Becky - their family members are likely already here. That's one of the arguments for the act: that if we deported these people, they wouldn't have another home to go to.

thank you, Shelly-2764964, see America needs more people like you.

Immigrants do the jobs that no american or any other wants to do. They get little pay. They are only targeting Mexicans as if they are the only immigrants around. There are a bunch of hispanic countries out there. Why just mexicans? I'm mexican myself so it kinda bothers me.

shelly my english is no very good because i'm italian,but i can read very good and your comment is so good,to much people thinking they are better than the others but the true, it's we're all the same, God made everyone the same well some are smarter than the others and no body can blame on God for that lol

maybe because u r a looser if ur kids are smart they goona have the oppotunities but they maybe are like u , not much hope bro....lol

Free Everything?? Woow honestly some people need to be more educated on the subject..

Your not going to be sending their kids to college. They themselves would be paying. If you have not read other articles about how this can actually save the economy you should. Because it really will give you a better understanding about this Dream Act. Lets put it this way, wouldnt you want your kids to continue their education if they were in this situation?

Put yourself in their shoes? Imagine life from their perspective, its not their fault that they are here, they just came with their families.

UM, first of all, immigrants are scared of going to aply for that kind of thing. They feel that they might get caught. If you go into a place were they sell food stamps or anything like that, you don't see alot of immigrants, you mainly see americans.

where do you people live? here in south Texas all an illegal has to do is have a kid an they get all the entitlements, my next door neighbor has nine kids and they are all on welfare, her husband works as a mechanic under the table and they have more money than me, and I work two jobs, if you want them here you pay for them, most of us here in the US are tired of footing the bill for them, and my kids are not old enough for college right now, and I still can't afford to send them, and yet you want the tax payers to pay for their college? and yes they do get help with their tuition.

Shelly-10, will the illegal immigrants be receiving grants and subsidized student loans to go to college? Will they be required to pay for their educations with their own money? These are the questions that must be answered. If they are receiving grants, then that comes from the treasury which comes from taxes. I think if this bill passes that they should be taxed at a higher rate to make up for all the years of using the services and infrastructure that my taxes (yes I am one of 47% that actually pays) paid for.

Also, there is some hazy legal jargon in this bill that needs to be cleaned up. Why would we let a congressman or bureaucrat decide the meaning of "good moral standing?"

FYI, katalina, BUYING food stamps would be illegal ... oops! Sorry, I forgot ... they already don't respect the laws of this country!

First off...to Marcello...dude, you SERIOUSLY need to go to school & learn how to spell.

For Shelly-10...Wake up & smell the frijoles. They DO get everything free...food stamps, medical care, their rent is paid for them, their kids are eating for free in school while mine have to pay...they pay for nothing. I see it every damned day, & it's only getting worse. My city has free give-aways for school supplies every year, & who do you think is standing in line? If I need help buying food, I have to prove who I am, where I live, show proof of income, while all they have to do is show up & say something like, "No habla Englais." The social workers fall all over themselves to make sure they get what they need, while I sit & starve. This is bull@!$%#, & it's only going to get worse. I've said it before & I'll say it again...what they are leaving behind is exactly what they're bringing here.

sole- sorry but your problem, not the rest of ours, you wanna be a legal US citizen, then do it the right way, it's way past time for US citizens to start taking care of US citizens first, and answer me this, what happens to your parents who came here illegally? do they get deported for breaking our laws? what happens to all the parents of these kids. I would really like to know.

Sole, how does an illegal immigrant pay taxes? Is that not directly attributed to having a social security number?

Big-B - assuming they aren't being paid under the table, they have their earnings withheld. They don't file tax returns, however.

Otherwise, they pay sales taxes.

Anon...thanks! Wasn't trying to be a douche. I truly didn't know.

Put yourself in the shoes of an undocumented teenager who grew up in America. Imagine if you were brought to America, against your will from another country, while you were a baby and then you grew up in America. You then went to primary and secondary school in America, you contributed to American society, you may have even fought in Iraq for America because you love this country you grew up in. Culturally, you are an American, but you are not considered an American because you don't have that little piece of paper calling you an American and you could be immediately deported to a country you have never known. This is not right. America is a country built on fairness. Everyone wants to dehumanize this issue by calling these undocumented kids "illegals". But to commit a crime, intent is needed. How can a 2 year old baby have the intent to enter America illegally? These kids did not have the intent. These kids should not be punished for the crimes of their parents it is not the fair or just thing to do. America we are better than that. Help these kids and let them contribute to the society they love.

oh and by the way the money comes from the undocumented immigrant's tax contribution, go to PEW research and see how much undocumenteds actually pay and contribute to the economy right now. Its in the Billions for example 25% of farm workers are undocumented, this is a big chunk of the economy.

sorry- they use more in services than they pay out in sales tax or any other tax.

The Dream Act pushers say it will save U.S. money, but it doesn't say how much it will cost if passed. I read news that it would cost in the 100 millions, or over a billion. So where will it come from, all of the 20 million unemployed Americans? No job, no pay taxes. Unemployment checks are already eating up the revenue. Will the feds just print some more money, and put out deficit out of sight??