Brown to support 'Don't Ask' repeal

From NBC's Kelly O'Donnell and Carrie Dann
Sen. Scott Brown, a Republican from Massachusetts, just announced in a statement that he will support repeal of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.

Brown says that he "accept[s] the findings of the report" issued by the Pentagon, which found that a majority of servicemembers believe that repeal would have a minimal effect on their units' abilities to serve.

“I pledged to keep an open mind about the present policy on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Having reviewed the Pentagon report, having spoken to active and retired military service members, and having discussed the matter privately with Defense Secretary Gates and others, I accept the findings of the report and support repeal based on the Secretary’s recommendations that repeal will be implemented only when the battle effectiveness of the forces is assured and proper preparations have been completed.”

Brown, who serves on the Senate Armed Services Committee, noted in today's hearing on repeal that he hopes that the service chiefs of each military branch, who have expressed some reservations about repeal, are consulted before the Pentagon officially signs off on any legislation passed by Congress that affects the rule.

He also said earlier today that a repeal by the courts rather than by legislative action would be "exceedingly disruptive" to the force, an argument made by the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff yesterday.

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Uh, oh. Scott Brown is going to get t-bagged come next election. He isn't towing the Party line, he's not getting into lock step, goose step, or whatever step it is that the tbaggers demand from this guy. Under the Bus with him!!!

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#1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:32 PM EST

The Tea Party doesn't care about social issues with the exception of the real wacky ones like Chistine O'Donnell

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#1.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:38 PM EST

In Massachusetts ? The most Republicans could hope for is a moderate like Brown. All 10 congressional districts are represented by democrats, and will remain that way in the new congress. The democratic governor just got re-elected. Brown's vote to repeal, while admirable, played into local politics

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#1.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:44 PM EST

The "wacky ones"? Seriously? Which ones aren't wacky? Bachmann, DeMint, Angle, O'Donnell, Palin?

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#1.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:47 PM EST

"only when the battle effectiveness of the forces is assured and proper preparations have been completed"

proper preparations? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:01 PM EST

Uh, oh. Scott Brown is going to get t-bagged come next election.

Uh, oh, people on the left STILL don't know what the Tea Party members stand for or think is important and are still name calling like children to drive away the independant and undecided voters. That's going to hurt the left again in the next election.

You don't follow the news much either, do you? The Log Cabin Republicans got it repealed and the Obama administration appealed the decision.

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:10 PM EST

Senator Brown's doing just fine.

Hasn't he accomplished the most truly amazing feat? He's a Republican, AND the most popular elected official in the state of Massachusetts, for heavenssakes!

Let's show a little respect for that achievement, First Readers.

As a conservative, I'm also a "big-tent" guy...like Newt Gingrich, who suggested that, since Colin Powell clearly doesn't want to be a Democrat (however much pride he justifiably shows in the election of President Obama) and has (thus far, at least) resisted all efforts to convert him, I'm glad that Scott Brown is the Republican Senator from the Bay State.

I may not support his position on every issue, but the day he called himself the 41st vote in the Senate against Obamacare, well...it's all good, isn't it?

Besides...First Readers seem to love Scott Brown almost as much as his constituents do!

I can't stop smiling about that.

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:14 PM EST

Well, Allen, it is difficult for liberals to know exactly what the "real" Tea Party stands for because look at some of the candidates they selected--hardly representative of what it claims to be about. If Tea Partyers don't want to be lumped into one group, they shouldn't allow those who do not represent their ideology to be front and center candidates. It is pretty hard to tell the real TPers in those rallies from the others who just liked the idea of being anti-democrat and anti-government.

  • 15 votes
#1.7 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:17 PM EST

Mixed Bag ... with all due respect, Obama was said to be the greatest "uniter" this nation has ever known, and is the only human on earth who can fix the American economy, if we'd just give him a chance. 2 years later, I don't feel we've EVER been more engaged in class warfare then we are today. (directed mostly by the administration and it's rhetoric and implemented policies)

Well, I think we can all agree that no one can be trusted in this political environment we have evolved into. Everything is back-asswards, and I suspect Brown and most of the recently elected 'conservatives' will also prove to be yet another bait and switch tactic. Bribes, money, and power changes people, and it don't take long, especially if you have no or little character and no moral compass.

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:22 PM EST

STexan

The lack of unity is clearly the result of the Republican political strategy to oppose everything proposed by the current administration, including their own ideas. Unity requires cooperation from both sides. Instead we listen for the sound of one hand clapping.

  • 16 votes
#1.9 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:37 PM EST

With all due respect, STexan...

Senator Brown has already done more to live up to his billing than President Obama ever will.

"...This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow, and our planet began to heal."

-Senator Barack Obama, after clinching the nomination as Democratic presidential candidate, June 2008-

It was tough to listen to then...

But now...?

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:42 PM EST

don97524,

Obama is the most polarizing Preisdent in Gallup history. Fact.

That is not the American people's fault, not the Republicans fault - It's Obama fault.

Plain and simple.

  • 8 votes
#1.11 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:48 PM EST

bob

Perhaps you should look up "fact" and "opinion" in the dictionary. Clearly you are expressing an opinion and choose to call it a fact.

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#1.12 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:55 PM EST

Yeah I'd say that you are simple.

  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:56 PM EST

Bob-

That would be Palin's fault!

Plain and simple.

  • 7 votes
#1.14 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:56 PM EST

Ok Mixed Bag, so when Mitt Romney proposes a similarly designed government run health care reform in the state of Massachussets, its all fine and well, Obama does it for the nation, and its rampant socialism? Would you rather the goverment at least put forth an effor to ensure you have health insurance, and financially aid you in that endevor, and ensure you are not arbitrarily removed from said insurance because you are becoming too expensive, or experience something akin to what is currently going on in Arizona(removed transplant, and insert some other medical issue that is terminal without medical intervention, like, say cancer, autoimmune diseases, AIDS.)?

  • 15 votes
#1.15 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:59 PM EST

No don, it is a fact that Obama is the most polarizing President in Gallup history. (Gallup's history of taking polls on presidential polarization.)

Got a problem with it - take it up with Gallup.

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#1.16 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:03 PM EST

Good, now stop holding up the unemployment benefits.

  • 7 votes
#1.17 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:08 PM EST

S Texan - it's easy to create propaganda by just dropping a portion of a factual piece of information and then in commentary twist its meaning. You did that in reference to the Administration's defense of DADT in court.

In fact, the President specifically asked the Attorney General to defend the law so that a Congressional action repealing it, rather than a court order, would take place. It is a strategy intended to put more public support behind the repeal rather than once again allow a court decision to divide and polarize, and cause more problems than it resolves. By statutory action, all the parties involved have an opportunity, as they are this very moment, to discuss and debate the policy and then resolve the best means of adopting and implementing it. That represents good principles of governance.

Oh, and by the way, this is yet another example of how Obama goes about seeking to avoid polarization. He is not the polarizing figure - rather it is the ultra-right and GOPTP that has deliberately created polarization with propagand, lies, deception and fear tactics.

  • 15 votes
#1.18 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:13 PM EST

bob

Continue the argument if you must but we are talking about Gallup OPINION Polls and that, my friend, is a fact.

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#1.19 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:17 PM EST

No don, it is a fact that Obama is the most polarizing President in Gallup history

That wouldn't be because of republicans saying he isn't really a citizen of the United States. Couldn't be because of republicans saying he is a communist/socialist/marxist trying to destroy America....and these are just a few examples :)

  • 15 votes
#1.20 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:38 PM EST

Duh - don,

That's what Gallup does. Gallup takes opinion polls and Gallup found that Americans consider, their opinion, is that Obama is the most polarizing President.

Geez

    #1.21 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:57 PM EST

    So, Bob, are you kind of starting to understand the difference between fact and opinion now. Opinions can change, have changed, will change ...... that is a fact. Facts, on the other hand, do not change. For instance, it is a fact that many ignorant people have the opinion that President Obama was not born in the US and/or he is a Muslim .... or a socialist ..... or a Marxist .... or a communist ..... but those are opinions of ignorant people who, surprisingly enough, have the opinion that their opinions are as good as the opinions of people who have actual facts on their side. Go figure. ;)

    • 7 votes
    #1.22 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:24 PM EST

    Eric - time to stop kidding ourselves, jobs are not coming and we have to find something other than more debt to fix it, we can't just keep borrowing from China. And Obama has not kept his campaign promises, health care is a sham - no it's not like Mass. There's too much pork in it and no way to pay for the health care benefits! I like Brown - he seems like he actually listens to constituents and actually isn't afraid to get it done!

    • 2 votes
    #1.23 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:28 PM EST

    Are you this obtuse, or are you just messing with me?

    • 3 votes
    #1.24 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:32 PM EST

    Good for senator Brown, and good for the Republicans to allow one of their own to have a different opinion.

    Don - not sure why you're arguing about Bob's statement...seems clear to me that Bob is just stating numbers from the Gallup poll. He didn't say it was an overall fact (after all, polls are just opinions) - it's just the results from Gallup. I realize you may disagree with the sentiment expressed in the polls, but that's a different issue altogether.

    • 4 votes
    #1.25 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:35 PM EST

    bob

    President Obama's "divisiveness" is an opinion, as measured by an opinion poll. That does not, however mean that it is a fact that President Obama is divisive any more than it would mean that Obama is not a citizen just because there are those ignorant people whose opinion it is that he was not born in this country. Are you starting to catch on now? Am I still going to fast for you?

    In the words of that great philosopher Foghorn Leghorn, "Son, you're standing too low. This is going right over your head."

    • 4 votes
    #1.26 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:38 PM EST

    Yes, but the poll numbers are a fact. What they measure is an opinion, but the numbers themselves are facts.

    For example, if you ask 20 people if the earth is flat and 10 of them say yes, then it is a fact that 50% of the people in your poll think the earth is flat. This doesn't mean the earth is actually flat or that everyone thinks it's flat...it just means that 50% of the people asked thought it was flat.

    If Don had stated that the Gallup poll proves that Obama is the most divisive president ever, then yes, that statement would be incorrect because it's stating the opinions expressed in the poll are facts and not opinions.

    • 4 votes
    #1.27 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:44 PM EST

    Yep Brown was history befire this, he has already played footsies with the inept lying quasi socialist in the white house one time too many, We may loose the seat but we will have conservatives when we are done.

    He and Collins can both run on write in campaigns, they won't be republicans.

      #1.28 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:44 PM EST

      He and Collins can both run on write in campaigns, they won't be republicans.

      John,

      Maybe you could get Christine (the teen-age witch) McConnell to run against him in the primary...

      Rumor has it she's not doing anything these days...

      Just a thought! ;0)

      • 1 vote
      #1.29 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:22 PM EST

      Personally, I think it's good to have Brown in the GOP - he brings a different viewpoint. I'd also like to see more GOP people like Chris Christie - financially conservative, but stays away from moral issues.

      • 7 votes
      #1.30 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:25 PM EST

      Scott Brown is the most popular elected official in MA currently, and this will only increase his reputation here.

      You have to understand local politics. This State's Democrats are very far left, they make up about 33% of the electorate. Republicans here make up about 13% of the electorate, there's only a very small number of them that are hard core right wing, more of them tend to be moderate or even libertarian in their politics like Senator Brown. 54% of the electorate are "Unenrolled", our version of Independent. About 5% of that are progressives or socialists that don't think the far left Democrats are far left enough. The rest lie somewhere in between, with the bulk of it leaning Libertarian (social liberal, fiscal conservative) without subscribing to the label.

      This is how Scott Brown got elected to start, and how Mitt Romney won the Governor's position a few years back (and Charlie Baker would have won without Tim Cahill making it a 3-way race this year and splitting the fiscal conservative vote).

      Senator Brown is popular, and most of this State, including it's Republicans are socially moderate if not liberal, and this will serve him well. In fact, there's little worse he could have done for his career than having come out against repeal of DADT after the Pentagon's report. There was room for him to say, "lets wait for the report from the military leaders", there's no longer room for him to oppose this here without damaging his re-election chances. And that's even with a small contingent of hard core conservatives which will try to sink him because of it in the primary. The State Republican party is reasonable enough to know this State will not elect a strong social conservative in the general election. And there are enough moderates to support a big tent approach to the national party's platform. Scott Brown in fact ran as an independent voice for MA, because the actual Republican party isn't much liked here - and it's because of the social conservative movement.

      • 1 vote
      #1.31 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 6:55 PM EST

      ucg, the wackiest bagger of them all (Sarah) cares a lot about social issues including opposition to anything that is considered to be pro-equality for gays. And, I seriously doubt if she is standing on that corner all by herself. What about the wacko from Nevada and the one in Alaska and the one from Florida, etc. etc.?

      • 2 votes
      #1.32 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 11:05 PM EST
      whatzzit2uDeleted
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      Good! Hopefully this unfair, idiotic policy will soon be just another sad chapter in our history.

      • 31 votes
      Reply#2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:33 PM EST

      good news. I hope John McCain will go home and look himself at the mirror and see the evil jack wagon he's become.

      • 31 votes
      #2.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:44 PM EST

      McCain died after the 2008 election and some imposter took over his body

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      #2.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:45 PM EST

      Why even bring up McCain? It's Clinton's DADT policy they're talking about. McCain can believe what he wants and Obama can challenge rulings to stop the repeal all they want as long as they are representing who they're supposed to.

      • 1 vote
      #2.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:13 PM EST

      Allen

      it still takes us to one point, which is correcting the mistake of the past. Mccain's role in this is so pathetic. the way he's gone about it is just very very wrong. just see the way he addressed the generals (mullin) even the president of the U.S.A as if he's Mr. know all McCain. a very arrogant and ignorant failure he is. anyone, whether gay or straight, should be able to serve in the military openly.

      • 10 votes
      #2.4 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:34 PM EST

      We bring up McCain because he is someone who said "I will believe what the Pentagon tells me" and then he backs away from that statement. We bring up McCain because he says soldiers will quit their jobs because they will be forced to serve with gay people, when McCain works with openly gay people and hasn't quit HIS job. We bring up McCain because he campaigned as a maverick, one who had an open mind and was willing/able to work across party lines, and ever since the election he has been so conservative it makes us laugh. We bring up McCain because he is a hypocrite and should be called out as one.

      • 15 votes
      #2.5 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:43 PM EST

      You bring up McCain because he's the guy who keeps kicking the can down the road by demanding that those who wish to repeal DADT jump through more and more hoops.

      "The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, 'Senator, we ought to change the policy,' then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it." - Sen. John McCain, October 2006

      In February of this year, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, said EXACTLY that...it was time to repeal DADT. Senator McCain said that we needed a study to determine what the effects of repeal would be.

      Now we have the study and he claimed he need time to review the study while simultaneously claiming that the study we had was flawed and we need a new study. Well, if you need time to review the study how can you already claim it's flawed?

      McCain is simply trying to stall and delay and obstruct to whatever degree is possible. The candidate that he was in 2000 would be ashamed of what he has now become.

      • 9 votes
      #2.6 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:48 PM EST

      Jay

      for days, I got so sick of McCain's bullish, arrogant, selfish and idiotic bigotry thinking that he's Americans military knowledge bank. He should called as a failed killer of DADT

      • 5 votes
      #2.7 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:57 PM EST

      It is sad for me to see what's happened with McCain. He's someone I used to respect because he seemed to care more about the country than the party. But, then he took the hard right turn to win the Republican nomination in 2008 and he's turned into just another a regular politician now.

      • 3 votes
      #2.8 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:38 PM EST

      MCCain is doing exactly what his constituency elected him to do.

      Any of you that don't like it, move to Arizona, vote against him in the next election.

      He wasn't elected by the United States he was elected by the citizens of Arizona.

        #2.9 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:47 PM EST

        So you are saying that the people of Arizona elected McCain to be a close minded, do nothing, stall machine just because you do not like a particular lifestyle? That my friend goes against everything this country stands for. I too had much respect for Sen McCain. There was a time it seemed he cared more about the United States than his political party. We need to just repeal DADT. We are the only military in the world that does this and it violates basic anti-discrimination laws.

        • 2 votes
        #2.10 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 11:05 AM EST

        MCCain is doing exactly what his constituency elected him to do.

        So, the people of Arizona elected him to go back on his word?

        • 2 votes
        #2.11 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 11:25 AM EST
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        What CAN Brown do for you?

        He's sure gonna p!ss off McGeezer... you know the guy who was FOR it before he's AGAINST it!

        They call him Flipper... Flipper...

        The poor pigeons on the park bench are in trouble now... lol

        • 21 votes
        Reply#3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:36 PM EST

        You are talking about John Kerry aren't you? Who voted for it (the $84 billion in war funding) before he voted it against it?

        Of course then he went off on a nice tax evading cruise in his yacht.

        • 6 votes
        #3.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:46 PM EST

        "McGeezer!!!!" That is both apt and dead on correct!

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        #3.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:48 PM EST

        No Kirby. This discusion is about DADT (was that not clear to you?), not some election over 6 years ago, one which most Americans wish could be done over given the disaster that was King George the 43rd. And even if we were talking about flipping on Iraq war funding, I think you could say the same thing about roughly half the American people, who were also before it before they were against it (after they found out about W's treasonous lies). And if we were talking about flipping in general, I guess you don't see any of that with repugnuts do you? Like being for earmarks, before being against earmarks, before being for them again, which is a bit more recent than 6 years ago in case you didn't notice, and a bit more topical now too.

        But as I said, this is about DADT, and this part of the vine is about McGeezer flipping on that issue. Please try to focus if you want to participate.

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        #3.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:04 PM EST

        Educated, he was referring to the "voted for it before I voted against it" comment that Kerry is famous for. Just like if someone were trying to apply the "we have to pass it before you can read the bill" crap to a Republican, someone will ALWAYS bring up that was Pelosi's dumbest/most arrogant comment ever.

        Feisty was just being herself. Name calling and spreading hate.

        • 2 votes
        #3.4 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:22 PM EST

        Feisty

        He's sure gonna p!ss off McGeezer... you know the guy who was FOR it before he's AGAINST it!

        They call him Flipper... Flipper...

        Girl Friend too funny. McGeezer can flip all he likes he. He's too old to do anything else except kick the bucket. I hope he doesn't it's fun watching him flip.

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        kirby in idaho

        You are talking about John Kerry aren't you? Who voted for it (the $84 billion in war funding) before he voted it against it?

        Do you know why? The Congress discovered it was a lie. Don't give funding for lies.

        Of course then he went off on a nice tax evading cruise in his yacht.

        Where do you park your boat, if you have one? Would it be for convience?

        • 7 votes
        #3.5 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:22 PM EST

        Well done, Educated Thinker.

        • 2 votes
        #3.6 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:38 PM EST

        Anything Brown is going to do, has be done in the next two years, he will be history in two years.

          #3.7 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:48 PM EST

          Anything Brown is going to do, has be done in the next two years, he will be history in two years.

          Where did you purchase your crystal ball?

          Or is tea leaves you're reading?'

          Ouija Board?

          • 2 votes
          #3.8 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:24 PM EST
          whatzzit2uDeleted
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          IGotIt1908Deleted

          Eleanor Roosevelt said "We must have equal rights for every citizen in our country!"  How can anyone think some citizens have the right to be who they are, and other citizens don't have that same right?  Equal rights has to mean equal treatment, and 'don't ask, don't tell' is not equal treatment!      

          • 19 votes
          Reply#5 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:39 PM EST

          So why are we even wasting time on this social issue during a time of war? Just because some gay fools want to wear their sexual orientation on their forehead? Never cared if one of my troops were gay or not as long as they could do their job. But never ask any of them if they were gay or not either.

            #5.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:13 PM EST

            stormer - Rather than repeat my comments like you have, please see my response below at 20.1

            • 1 vote
            #5.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:21 PM EST

            Thank you SamIAm. It's sad that people today forget about the freedom of religion in our country. It means I am constitutionally obliged to have my own beliefs and not be held to someone else's. It means hating gays because the bible says so is not a constitutionally valid argument. Most importantly, you are right, we are all created equal; no human is inherently better than another.

            • 5 votes
            #5.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:50 PM EST
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             Thank you Senator Brown for showing a sense of reason in the Republican Party.

            • 16 votes
            Reply#6 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:42 PM EST

            pfm-1052427

            Thank you Senator Brown for showing a sense of reason in the Republican Party.

            I agree. Now, if Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins could do that then we'll have equality and the right to die in dignity for the LBGT warriors.

            • 4 votes
            #6.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:30 PM EST

            Those two broom riders from Maine are too afraid to go up against Grand Wizard McConnell.

            • 1 vote
            #6.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:04 PM EST

            They caan both go ahead and do anything they want to, they will not have the suopport oof the republican part, in 2012.

            They have played footsies with Obama one time too many.

              #6.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:52 PM EST
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              Finally, a Republican who has made a sound decision, and not one based upon party partisanship. McCain should take note, instead of back-pedaling. Wasn't McCain the one who said no one should rush into a decision until the Pentagon report is complete? Well, not it is, and he doesn't like the finding, so therefore, it is a "flawed study". He needs to retire.

              • 12 votes
              Reply#7 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:43 PM EST

              D. Smith-2752285

              Finally, a Republican who has made a sound decision, and not one based upon party partisanship. McCain should take note, instead of back-pedaling. Wasn't McCain the one who said no one should rush into a decision until the Pentagon report is complete? Well, not it is, and he doesn't like the finding, so therefore, it is a "flawed study". He needs to retire.

              McGeezer is "flawed " just like the rest of the GOP/TEA BAGGERS. They keep moving the goal post. Obstructionism is being noticed little to these greedy and clueless legislators knowledge.

                #7.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:38 PM EST
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                It's actions like this that make me consider voting Republican. I am a fiscal conservative who votes Democrat because Republicans have continued to stand for bigotry. I live in Massachusetts, and if Scott Brown continues to make statements like this, he will sway one more voter into his corner. Congratulations Scott, this is what Massachusetts expects from you! Now, stay fiscally conservative, and you will be our Senator for a long, long time!

                • 9 votes
                Reply#8 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:45 PM EST

                i used to be the same way. i used to think that democrats had a hold on social policies, and that republicans had a grasp in economic and foreign policies. like so many people, i considered myself a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

                after bush however, it is clear to me that republicans have a grasp on neither.

                • 14 votes
                #8.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:54 PM EST

                It used to be that way but it isn't any more. The left just went so far left that they make statements like upholding the constitution as written by both parties is "extremist".

                I am a fiscal conservative who votes Democrat because Republicans have continued to stand for bigotry.

                Um, DADT was a Clinton law. If you really think it's bigotry, think about that. Nobody on the right was concerned about having Condi Rice or Colin Powell in the positions they were in because of the color of their skin. The left are the ones pushing for intollerance of Christianity. Come to think of it, do you know what bigotry means even?

                Definition of BIGOT

                : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

                Look at comments about the Tea Party, Bush, Christianity, taxes, etc and tell me the left doesn't show intolerance to those points of views or treat them with hatred.

                • 1 vote
                #8.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:28 PM EST

                Allen -- DADT was a compromise on what Clinton actually wanted to do; he was trying to work with the bigotted Republicans even while extending LGBT rights. If you've read any of his statement concerning DADT, he has condemned what it has come to represent.

                • 6 votes
                #8.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:49 PM EST

                How is he being fiscally conservative when he wants to add 700 billion dollars to the debt through tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% without paying for it?

                • 3 votes
                #8.4 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:53 PM EST

                Allan. Has anyone denied your right to practice your religion as you choose? No, they haven't because the first amendment guarantees you can believe as, or if you, choose without the government telling you how or if you believe. DADT declares people can serve in the military, risk their lives but they must lie in order to do so. You, on the other hand, can tell anyone and everyone your religious beliefs without losing the job you chose.

                • 2 votes
                #8.5 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:43 PM EST
                whatzzit2uDeleted
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                Congratulations to Mr.Brown for not being afraid to do what is right..Didn't think there were any Republicans with both heart and courage to stand up for what is right..I hope he also knows that the millions out of work and money need the unemployment he and the other republicans are holding up..I pray those who are doing this at some point in the near future will find nothing more than dirt and grass on there plates and why don't you try sleeping in a car or watch your children suffer from hunger..

                • 4 votes
                Reply#9 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:46 PM EST

                Thank you, Scott Brown, you have more guts than anyone else in your party!!

                • 8 votes
                Reply#10 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:46 PM EST

                He can have that tattooed on his forehead after he is thrown out of office.

                  #10.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:55 PM EST
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                  A Little Background on DADT

                  In the 1970s, the gay and lesbian rights movement emerged in the U.S. and chose the anti-gay military policy as one of its main targets. Partially as a response to this movement, the Department of Defense issued a 1982 policy (DOD Directive 1332.14) stating that homosexuality was clearly incompatible with military service. The policy garnered public scrutiny through the 1980s and 1990s, and it became a political issue in the 1992 U.S. presidential election with Bill Clinton and others citing the brutal murder of gay U.S. Navy petty officer Allen R. Schindler, Jr. After Bill Clinton won the presidency, Congress rushed to enact the existing gay ban policy into federal law, outflanking Clinton's planned repeal effort. Clinton introduced Congressional legislation to overturn the ban, but it encountered intense scrutiny by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, members of Congress, and portions of the U.S. public. "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" emerged as a compromise policy.

                  The policy was introduced as a compromise measure in 1993 by President Bill Clinton who campaigned on the promise to allow all citizens to serve in the military regardless of sexual orientation. At the time, per the December 21, 1993 Department of Defense Directive 1332.14, it was legal policy (10 U.S.C. § 654) that homosexuality is incompatible with military service and persons who engaged in homosexual acts or stated that they are homosexual or bisexual were discharged. The Uniform Code of Military Justice, passed by Congress in 1950 and signed by President Harry S Truman, established the policies and procedures for discharging homosexual servicemembers.

                  Congress overrode Clinton by including text in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1994 (passed in 1993) requiring the military to abide by regulations essentially identical to the 1982 absolute ban policy The Clinton Administration on December 21, 1993, issued Defense Directive 1304.26, which directed that military applicants were not to be asked about their sexual orientation This is the policy now known as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".

                  See below for complete history -

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_ask,_don't_tell

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#11 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:57 PM EST

                  General Colin Powell assured President Clinton that the military would not ask, that it would not act on rumors or consider what people did when not in uniform. Powell meant it but over the years, that promise to Clinton was broken many times.

                  • 6 votes
                  #11.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:10 PM EST

                  Pat, Boston, MA

                  A Little Background on DADT

                  Thanks for enlightening them. It's time to evolve.

                  Our Cubbie Bears Ron Santos died. May he RIP in Cubbie Bear heaven.

                  • 3 votes
                  #11.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:49 PM EST

                  Dear Beverly, I hadn't heard about Ron Santo. So so sorry. Yes, indeed Ron, RIP.

                    #11.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:59 PM EST
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                    Sen. Brown is not a Republican. He just said that because the Dems were going to give all their campaign money to Coakley. He is a liberal and will not have the same support from the GOP his next run. With the Kennedy family dominating politics in this state forever it was as close as the GOP could get. It also sent a shot across the Dems bow that far left liberals are going down.

                      Reply#12 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:58 PM EST

                      Just because you say it's so doesn't make it true. I know alot of Republicans who support decisions made by Brown. Despite what liberal media tells you, the right isn't sitting around doing *insert every single bad thing you can imagine here* and the left isn't doing *insert every good thing that ever happened - if it was a Republican, claim the parties switched stances in that era - if it conflicts with another decision made that year, forget you said that in that instance*.

                        #12.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:31 PM EST

                        Allen you are right. Just because you say it's so doesn't make it true. Including some of your statements. BTW. Most people that are on the far left are extremely upset about the direction of our country. Most people like me who are true progressives find themselves in a dilemna. President Obama has not been standing up for what he said he would. I find it hard to vote for him after all the caving he has done. But can I really sit back and let Christianity take over my life? That's what will happen if Republicans are in power. It's no longer a free country. So I'm not just over here saying Republicans are all wrong and Democrats are all right! No. But on this issue it's pretty clear. Republicans do not stand for the First Amendment or Equality for ALL citizens.

                        • 4 votes
                        #12.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:01 PM EST

                        Jay - count me among the disappointed Progressives. I'd much rather see Obama go down fighting for what he believes than surviving by caving in to Republicans. Most of us on the (relatively) far Left feel he has abandoned his principles for the sake of political expediency. I can't imagine voting for a Republican in 2012, but if the President doesn't begin to make his way back to his base between now and then, I can almost imagine not voting at all, for the first time in my adult life.

                        I'd hate to do it, and of course, it would depend upon who was running against him, but I don't know how else to deliver the message to Obama that he cannot, and must continue to forsake those whose hopes and ideals put him into office.

                          #12.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:46 PM EST

                          Has President Obama "caved" or has he been forced to compromise to get anything done because of the Senate GOP blockade? Add the blue dog dems into the mix and there has not been 60 votes without a lot of "caving" by all democrats not just the President. Don't blame President Obama, blame the Senate and the abuse of the filibuster giving power to the minority and not the majority.

                          • 1 vote
                          #12.4 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:47 PM EST
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                          Bravo Senator Brown, Bravo! Thank you for standing up for our country.

                          • 5 votes
                          Reply#13 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:00 PM EST

                          Scott Brown has a potful of shameful anti-gay statements in his voting record in Massachusetts. He once referred to another state senator's lesbian relationship as "wierd". Anyone who wishes to research his public statements will see what he really is. SCOTT BROWN STOOD UP FOR HIS OWN JOB SECURITY AND NOT FOR HIS COUNTRY!!

                            #13.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:10 PM EST

                            So he is following the will of the people of his state...I thought he was elected to do that?

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:15 PM EST

                            Don, are you really reaching that far to try and find something evil about a Republican agreeing with a stance you have an opinion on? I tried looking up the Scott Brown stuff and it turns out that was an opinion column on a Boston website and the editors refused to reply when asked how they came to the opinion he was "anti-gay". http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/01/07/dishonestly-tarring-scott-brown-with-the-anti-gay-slur/

                            If you have anything to the contrary to link, feel free. I don't take people at their word without something to back it up. You hear alot of made up "facts" or outright lies on newsvine.

                            You really get that worked up over someone saying something is 'weird'? No wonder you guys don't understand what true racism is these days.

                            • 3 votes
                            #13.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:37 PM EST
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                            Finally, one reasonable Reublican who is voting against bigotry? Now what about you Mcflipper?

                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#14 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:00 PM EST

                            Yes, out with the "bigotted" Clinton policies. Out with the fog of controversy! We have to repeal it to see who's gay! They're only voting the way they do because of the economic situation!

                            Did I miss any leftisms?

                            Seriously though, name calling still? Get some real data if you want to debate.

                              #14.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:41 PM EST
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                              Well this only leaves one course of action for the Fox crowd...ATTACK SCOTT BROWN!

                              Cheers

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                              Reply#15 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:03 PM EST

                              So the teabaggers were for him before they were against him? I see.

                                #15.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:07 PM EST

                                Sorry, still for him. Don't knock the guy because he's representing his contituents.

                                Keep making crap up though when you don't have any facts. You're just pushing more people towards the center and right who don't like to be in the company of childish behavior.

                                  #15.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:45 PM EST

                                  Tea Partier and Childish Behavior. Synonomous.

                                  Make up what facts?

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                                  #15.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:50 PM EST

                                  Allen you are seriously misguided. The majority of comments on here have been thanking Senator Brown for being reasonable, open-minded, and not-hypocritical. Most people are knocking on the conservative movement and what their reaction is sure to be. I, as well as thousands of gay Americans woke up to see this statement and rejoiced. It is nice to have a Republican Ally. You keep saying we are close-minded, but you are just as much. As much as you are fighting with people, if you look at the facts and what people are ACTUALLY saying, we can agree on so many issues.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #15.4 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:04 PM EST

                                  Nah we are going to attack him, we are going to kick back, wait for 2012, and remove him.

                                  He can play footsies with Obama if he wants to, he can't hurt anything now, he is dead in the water right now.

                                  He might as well go ahead and have a good time, he has played with Obama one time to many now.

                                    #15.5 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST
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                                    I firmly believe Scott Brown is personnaly against DADT. He's for repeal only to get re-elected in Massachusetts. Everyday, he checks the wind direction and weather to determine where to fly. Eventually, he'll fail and lose his next election.

                                      Reply#16 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:04 PM EST

                                      FAIL

                                        #16.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:14 PM EST

                                        So what if he is, he is going to vote the will of his constituents which is really what he is supposed to do. It would be nice if all politicians could remember this.

                                          #16.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:39 PM EST
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                                          Good for Scott Brown. I caught some of his comments yesterday; he made some good points and did a great job of asking questions that actually proved the hypocrisy of DADT. I think he could be a good senator if he does what is right for ALL his constituents, not just the republican ones. It is not about liberal or conservative, it is about what is best for everyone not just some.

                                          • 6 votes
                                          Reply#17 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:06 PM EST

                                          THANK YOU JODY! I think us Iowans have a calm about us that let's us see both sides of any issue. You are so right, it is about what is best for EVERYONE. Not just the "majority" or those polled as the majority.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #17.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:07 PM EST
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                                          McCain is a sad pathetic, senile, liar

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#18 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:08 PM EST

                                          Would DADT have prevented the Wiki-leaks?

                                          Would less politically correct social engineering of the military have prevented the Wiki-leaks?

                                            Reply#19 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:09 PM EST

                                            Why are we even wasting time on this social issue? we are at war, damn the social issues of someone wanting to wear their sexual orientation on their forehead.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#20 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:09 PM EST

                                            DOMA is a social issue. DADT is a military issue. And many have testified credibly that it reduces our troops' morale, fosters dishonesty throughout the ranks, and impedes many capable and talented gays and lesbians from joining our armed forces when we most need them. Moreover, DADT is going to end soon. If Congress doesn't do it, the courts will because it is blatantly unconstitutional, as several courts have already ruled. And it makes far more sense to do this legislatively rather than judicially. No stormer, this is not a waste of time.

                                            But I do agree with the "damn the social issues" comment - Damn Prop 8 in CA, damn a proposed federal Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and damn Terry Schiavo type situations.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #20.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:19 PM EST

                                            So it would be OK to kick you out of the military for ever mentioning your wife or girlfriend to anyone?

                                            Having to hide things and lie about yourself is not compatible with military service.

                                            • 5 votes
                                            #20.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:22 PM EST

                                            Having to hide things and lie about yourself

                                            "Don't ask" - translation: they don't ask about it so you don't "have" to lie
                                            "Don't tell" - translation: they don't have to tell anyone and shouldn't even if someone asks

                                            I didn't ask you about your sexual orientation. Do you somehow feel like you're pushed into hiding it or lying because I never brought it up?

                                            I'm against DADT and have been since Clinton enacted it, but your reasoning isn't very logical.

                                              #20.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:48 PM EST

                                              You're right allen. The whole dont ask don't tell thing means people won't ask and gays won't have to tell. But that is not reality. The reality is there are people in the military who out people they think are gay whether they have any proof or not. If I joined the army, I would do an outstanding job. I have a high IQ, I am very fit, I can run forever, and I'm small and can fit into cool places. But I would last about all of 2 days there. People would just know I'm gay and would kick me out of the military, regardless of whether I had actually engaged in homosexual conduct while being enlisted or not.

                                              So you are COMPLETELY right about what DADT stands for, but you are absolutely wrong in your perception on how it is implemented.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #20.4 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:11 PM EST

                                              Okay, it's fair to homosexuals to repeal DADT, to be fair to the heterosexuals those who entered into the all volunteer military have to be given the opportunity to leave the military, without prejudice.

                                              They entered an all volunteer military under one set of basics and the military is changing the basics, they have to be given the opportunity to leave the military, without prejudice.

                                              I have written to my elected reps and told them that that has to be part of the act that repeals DADT.

                                              We can hold them over for say, 6 months while the draft is reinstituted, to help train the influx of draftees.

                                              Perhaps it will be good for the country to reinstitute the draft requiring every abled bodied man and woman to serve a minimum one year military service.

                                              That will give the entire country a fresh new view on the military and stop the constant posturing by people who, have no knowledge of how the military operates.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #20.5 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:08 PM EST
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                                              There is nothing more dangerous to the Republican Party than a member who thinks for himself. Who knows what well reasoned and sensible position he might adopt next!

                                              • 6 votes
                                              Reply#21 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:13 PM EST

                                              C'mon Jim79, While I have never been in the great state of Mass.,It has always seemed to be a bastion of civility. I think there needs to be more pols with guts like Brown,on both sides. if we are ever going to straighten this country out. Not to mention the fact that I could care less about the personal preferences of the persons that are willing to make the ULTIMATE sacrifice for my freedom,I think that might be a little hypocritical,and you?

                                              • 3 votes
                                              Reply#22 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:14 PM EST

                                              Scott Brown has a potful of shameful anti-gay statements in his voting record in Massachusetts. He once referred to another state senator's lesbian relationship as "wierd". Anyone who wishes to research his public statements will see what he really is. SCOTT BROWN STOOD UP FOR HIS OWN JOB SECURITY AND NOT BECAUSE HE'S COURAGOUS!!

                                              Massachusetts would not have tolerated a vote against repeal of DADT.

                                                Reply#23 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:16 PM EST

                                                 Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, and your right wing talk radio ilk, I am sure the message you are sending to your Fatherland type, listeners is "Crucify him", referring to Republican Senator Scott Brown from Massachussetts. Crucify him, because he did not meet our litimus test for bigots: Those who can't stand gays whether they work in the work place, or serve in our armed forces. Good, go ahead right wing talk radio flunkies, crucify him. Senator Brown has won my total respect, even though I don't live in Massachussetts, but would vote for his re-election in 2012 if I did live there. Senator Brown: Kudos for me for doing that right thing, not doing what Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Levin, and their ilk, plus Palin and the Tea Partiers.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                Reply#24 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:18 PM EST

                                                I am sure the message you are sending to your Fatherland type, listeners is "Crucify him", referring to Republican Senator Scott Brown from Massachussetts.

                                                Well, that's the difference between the left and the right. The left THINKS they know what the other side is saying, but refuses to listen to it, so they just make it up. I have heard NOTHING of the sort on right wing talk radio, there isn't even a story on it on Rush Limbaugh's site, hannity.com has no stories on it, and I'm not even going to keep checking the rest. You do it. Find one and prove you aren't just spreading baseless hate speech.

                                                Or could it be the liberal media TOLD you to think like this and you did it without even thinking twice?

                                                Personally I don't listen to any of those you listed so I had to go look it up. But I do listen to/read both left and right media sources and I can say the left has quite a few people like you who have no clue what the right is saying. Hint: They're talking about Rangel mostly today and how arrogant he was after all his convictions.

                                                  #24.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:07 PM EST

                                                  They don't to tell us anything Brown has already voted with the Democratic Parasitical Party, one time too many.

                                                    #24.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:10 PM EST
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                                                    Let's face it - Scott Brown represents a considerably more "liberal" State - Massachusetts.
                                                    He is serving "probation" to the people of Massachusetts - if he isn't at least Moderate on important issues like this one - the voters of Massachusetts will boot him out.
                                                    I applaud him for having the gonads to go against his fellow Nazis in the Republican Party.
                                                    He's refreshing. Now if we could just get rid of the backassward "good ole boys" in the South
                                                    we'd be all set to move this country forward.

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    Reply#25 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:18 PM EST

                                                    TexasLiberal??? ya gotta be in Austin, right?

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #25.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:18 PM EST

                                                    Right on Texas liberal !

                                                      #25.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:22 PM EST

                                                      TEXAS-------- How soon you libbies forget, it has been a month since you libbies had your fanny handed to you.

                                                      Today, here you are spouting the same drivel.

                                                      I do wonder just how smart, you folks are.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #25.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:12 PM EST

                                                      Dear Texas,

                                                      The good ole boys are representing their constituents. Get over yourself.

                                                      Personally, I like Scott Brown and as a Tea Party supporter, I would vote for him. I was hoping Scott Brown would step up to the plate for gay rights as Obama and the Dems have not.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #25.4 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:20 PM EST
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                                                       Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, and your right wing talk radio ilk, I am sure the message you are sending to your Fatherland type, listeners is "Crucify him", referring to Republican Senator Scott Brown from Massachussetts. Crucify him, because he did not meet our litimus test for bigots: Those who can't stand gays whether they work in the work place, or serve in our armed forces. Good, go ahead right wing talk radio flunkies, crucify him. Senator Brown has won my total respect, even though I don't live in Massachussetts, but would vote for his re-election in 2012 if I did live there. Senator Brown: Kudos for me for doing that right thing, not doing what Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Levin, and their ilk, plus Palin and the Tea Partiers.

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      Reply#26 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:19 PM EST

                                                      Scott Brown has a potful of shameful anti-gay statements in his voting record in Massachusetts. He once referred to another state senator's lesbian relationship as "wierd". Anyone who wishes to research his public statements will see what he really is. SCOTT BROWN STOOD UP FOR HIS OWN JOB SECURITY AND NOT BECAUSE HE'S COURAGOUS!!

                                                      Massachusetts would not have tolerated a vote against repeal of DADT.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #26.1 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:25 PM EST

                                                      Lesbians aren't wierd, they are weird. I would have to agree at least 70% of lesbians are weird. Then again 30% of all people are weird and another 40% have something in the closet. So it's a tie.

                                                        #26.2 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:34 PM EST

                                                        bh-455602

                                                        Lesbians aren't wierd, they are weird. I would have to agree at least 70% of lesbians are weird. Then again 30% of all people are weird and another 40% have something in the closet. So it's a tie.

                                                        I don't think you are; just a homophone.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #26.3 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:42 PM EST

                                                        If you do the math Beverly I said lesbian 70% - (30%+40%) everyone else = 0. Which my meaning was lesbians are no different than any one else.

                                                        (And I have no phobias) Maybe Chicagophobia.

                                                          #26.4 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:46 PM EST

                                                          bh, please excuse bev. shes from chicago

                                                            #26.5 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:57 PM EST

                                                            don - he is courageous in that he represents the people of Mass. Not just his own personal goals. I wish my Senators and Representatives would have those guts

                                                              #26.6 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:34 PM EST

                                                              herb, i know you probably cried not being able to write teabagger, your tiny brain would have exploded.

                                                                #26.7 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:56 PM EST

                                                                Scott Brown serves his constituents not himself. If that's what Massachusetts wants, that's what Massachusetts gets.

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                                                                #26.8 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:22 PM EST
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