This doesn't surprise me in the least...

Of course a chicken sh!t booze hound is able to recognize chicken crap!

From the sound of him... me thinks he was hitting the bottle a wee bit earlier than usual!

That orange tint is turning green because he's holding his breath too long. Keep holding til you turn puke green.

You people on this site are just amazing. Do you ever comment on anything in the context in which it was said, or do you just seeze on the headline?

John Boehner is talking about what the democrats in Congress have done. He is not calling the middle class "chicken crap" He is talking about the "stunt" Pelosi is pulling. She is undermining Obama completely and one would think that he would tell her "cut the crap out" He took the time to appoint a bi-partisian commission to negotiate a solution to the problem, and she and the democrats pull this stunt.

So much for the democrats trying to actually solve any of the country's problems. Just more of the same old posturing from the democrats

Palin/Boehner 2012

The star and the bright light

Yeah, Feisty, who does he think he is a Kennedy, for God sakes?

You are sooooo quick to jump on this man as to where ur azzez is blind to what he is actually talking about. He said "THE STUNT IS CHICKEN SHYT", there is nowhere in his remarks as to where he said the poor is chicken shyt.

No one in here has read a damn thing they are bringing to the floor, so how can you judge what is in this mans heart.

Well, yeah- I guess Boehner would know from "Chicken Crap", wouldn't he?

And ITM- you really want to talk about 'stunts'? Really???

Imagine that! The Speaker of the House trying to push through the tax bill the President wanted and promised. Yeah that Pelosi what does she think she is doing anyway? Doing the work of the people or something? I say we take her out back and beat the crap out of her! Get real GOP lapdogs she is doing the President's work and yours. Sheez!

Palin and Agent Orange 2012? Bring it on! Two of the biggest dunces in the country! I can see it now the Quitter and the Tan Man they can see Russia from the Nineteenth Hole of their Country Club.

Why, oh Why does Orange Man refer to wanting tax cuts for the middle as a 'stunt'. The Repubs have been in 'stunt' mode since January 2009......they know how to!

Hollywood look out. There are lots of stunt men in the Repub Party coming to take your jobs!

Just when I think they cannot get more out of touch. The Unemployed are "Hobo's", according to the republican/tea party, People on Medicaid, Medicare, Food Stamps, School Lunch Programs are a drag on society and not entitled to these programs and now 98% of the people are being called Chicken Sh!t. Yes, he may have said that proposal in his opinion may be Chicken Sh!t, but if you want to believe that he is not equating that to the American people, then you are just being stupid and you really need to get you head out of your arse. All yo have to do is look at what these guys have done over the last 2 years.

What more proof do we need that this Republican/Tea Party is really hurting America in a very bad way.

To all the naive who believe that Boehner is referring to process: If that is true, I will expect him and the other Republicans to vote for the middle class tax cut. If he doesn't, I will also expect those of you who defend him to apologize.

Good Afternoon Navy, Good to see you back.

What more proof do we need that this Republican/Tea Party is really hurting America in a very bad way.

Oh, I think they'll learn. When the class warfare Republicans are waging starts to bite them in their stupid @?s. Especially, after the jobs go away or the jobs Republicans promise don't materialize, as well as unemployment benefits and soup lines.

Class warfare would be cutting taxes for some and raising it for others. That's the dem's position. The republican position is treating everybody the same without feeling the need to punish the successful.

Upset about Boehner's comment being "taken out of context?" OK, how's this...Democrats figured out how to show his extortion move of holding 98% of Americans hostage to get an even bigger tax break for the top 2% for what it is, and he's mad about it.

There, happy now?

Your bs detector needs to be recalibrated. EVERYONE gets a tax break under the Democratic plan. Republicans want their wealthy, elite benefactors to get an extra special, additional tax break.

Janet you can defend this chicken @!$%# till the cows come home but he and the rest of the republican party are the lap dogs of the bankers and very rich.

I will note that some billionares are speaking out about how they are paying a lower rate of taxes as many of their employees

What I am wondering is...would Boehner be after this as much if the wealthy were not in it to begin with ? If politicans are suppose to be protecting the general public and working for them...why is it the biggest tax cuts have been for the wealthy, of which all of congress is a part of ? Why would politicans do whatever they feel they want to do to stop anything they did not think up ? Neither party is working for the middle class...the only ones benefiting right now in this economy are the wealthy...both parties have protected them much more so than the general public which ends up with the most losses.

SURPRISE?... he's right. it's chicken crap compared to what his millionaire and billionaire cronies will get and eventually line his pocket. to GOPers, middle class is CHICKEN CRAP.

@ Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Maybe he should add PHD of Sh!t to his ever expanding resume... wouldn't be the first one around here to play a doctor on FR! lol

Of course you know you have to work up to that

AAS = Ah Sh!t

BS= Bull Sh!t

MS = More sh!t

PHD = Piled Higher and Deeper

So you see you must be a true perveyor if sh!t to reach that level and I agree he has achievd that level

I love how the right always screams about 'punishing the successful'.

If you're successful in a country where your customers gets a chance to go to public schools and you can ship your goods on public roads and sell them from a building protected by an upstanding police force, you are not special. Try and go be successful in Darfur or some other place where the govt. can't or won't 'punish' you for doing as you please.

The tax cuts need to end for everyone and gigantic austerity measures imposed. I can't believe anyone thinks it's smart to borrow money from another country in order to give us a tax cut. It's like buying groceries with your credit card so you can feel good about what's in your checking account.

Ketchupandmustard, Exactly! You took the words right out of my mouth!

Do liberals on newsvine have reading comprehension issues or something? He didn't say the poor & middle class were chicken crap. You just made that up for a misinformation campaign and others just vote up the comments to show they didn't understand the article either. Sheesh.

Is there a shortage of real indisputable data you can use that causes you guys to just make up slanderous remarks? How about instead of stomping on others heads to make your side look better, your side do the will of the people and represent their consituents to look better? Doesn't that sound like a reasonable request?

Janet as one of the few reasonable posters from the other side, would you agree that the GOP is also pulling stunts in regards to the lame duck session?

It would seem to me that there is enough time to deal with the tax cuts (let them expire for everyone), extend unemployment benefits and vote and ratify on the START treaty. Hey as a lefty I would like them to pass the Dream act and repeal Don't ask don't tell. If that doesn't happen I will understand.

On another note it would seem that since Obama has suggested slashing COLA for government workers, they could use that money to help pay for unemployment benefits. His plan would save $2 billion this year and $28 billion over five years.

Also one could argue that the $70 billion estimated savings that the 2% tax cuts would garner could cover extending unemployement insurance for everyone for more than a year.

OK Allen, he thinks it's chicken crap that Democrats found an end run around his effort to hold 98% of tax payers hostage in order to give the top 2% an additional tax break that would be even bigger. Happy?

Imagine that! The Speaker of the House trying to push through the tax bill the President wanted and promised. Yeah that Pelosi what does she think she is doing anyway? Doing the work of the people or something?

Highlighted the 2 contradicting segments of this thought process. Polls show this simply isn't true. Did you feel that way when Democrats pushed through TARP and say they and the president were just doing the will of the people?

The tax cuts were mandated by the electorate in this recent vote. Of course the ignorant who live off taxpayers charity will object to any tax cut. Their jealousy of those who WORK and achieve is overwhelming them. They probably are also ignorant that ALL TAXES are paid by those who have money to pay taxes. Some of them still think that businesses can pay taxes, when anyone with a brain knows that all business taxes are paid for by their customers. ( That's really a sales tax.)

Think about how the very wealthy got that way. The bankers charge us a $35 overdraft fee for a $4.50 cup of coffee. Multiply that by the millions affected by the charge. Then give it back to the bank execs in the form of million dollar bonuses. In my book if the top 2% get hit with a tax increase, it is still the people who were charged with the $35 fee who are paying the tax.

Pelosi pushes to get stuff done! She doesn't care if you like her, you prob can't vote for her. Thats why she gets stuff done.

www. what the f u c k has obama done so far .com check it.

Jeez you are stupid. Next time read the article (or have your big sister do it)

Boehner, like everyone else pretty much; approves of the tax cuts for 250k and below. BUT...he also knows that while it feels like we (middle America) pay more; the majority of taxes are paid by the rich. And those who are running a small business and file as an S-Corp. (meaning they pay income taxes on the business income) will be hit very hard by this. And who creates over 70% of new jobs in America? You guessed it...small businesses that make over 250k. We have to stop deamonizing "rich" people. They work their a$$ off to acheive success. But the rest of us want to begrudge them for it? When has a poor man ever hired you?

So go ahead and tax these people and businesses more and see how much faster the economy recovers. STOP OVER SPENDING. This is not the govts. money. This money belongs to the people!

No country has ever taxed its way to prosperity.

And if you're one of the 47% of Americans who acutally have a 0.00 tax liability-you have nothing to say. You are not a taxpayer and while you can vote; you really don't have a dog in this fight.

Become a student of history and educate yourself on the outcomes of societies that try wealth redistribution. I myself give to the poor because I'm blessed. But I also understand that the poor will always be among us. Lower ALL taxes. And quit spending so much!

It's no stunt by the democrats. It's giving the tax cuts to those who need it. I'm tired of the dems being criticized. Now that the republicans have been voted in, their agenda is to not let Obama be reelected and to say no to everything the dems bring to the table. How about an agenda for the people that voted for them. NOTHING! They say Obamacare was shoved down their throats. How about 2 wars shoved down our throats and the lack of oversight that led to the wall street thieves picking our pockets that has led us to our current economic despair. They'll give us more of what got us where we are now. The republicans have no agenda accept to say no. Just what we need now, no compromise. Pathetic.

Drunken man wants to finance tax cuts for rich for 10 years!! Details at 11! How can anyone be serious about this boner!?

I wonder if Boehner can guess which finger I'm holding up?

Republicans say the tax cuts for the rich will spur employment. Since they re in place now, where are the jobs? John Boehner's stunt to extent the cuts is chicken crap.

How does giving a tax break to those who make less than 250,00 dollars make it a Pelosi Scheme. These people need the help, But rich ole BoENer wants his too. We already pay for his pension and medical insurance with our taxes. I say make them pay for their own pension and insurance. People have their heads so far up the Becks,Limbaughs and oreilly ass they will never see daylight. The middle clas is F----d. The republicans are so full of @!$%#.

In the middle - I owned a small business for over 30 years employing 25+. I paid my own unemployment withholding as well as my employees. I lost my business and everything else in the bust. I collected unemployment for four months. I took a job making a fraction of what my better paid employees used to make.

I recommend that you make your insults specific to the individual case. Since you didn't, kiss my ass.

janet-489369

I agree with you that the comment was directed on the move that Democrats pulled. And There are many times that Nancy Pelosi and President Obama have been misquoted by people on this board and especially talk show hosts(radio and TV). I listen as they put words into other people mouth and they speak with a certainty that they know exactly what someone esle is thinking (These are really great prognosticators) on this board I am waiting for those Lotto numbers.

Well with that said, I agree with the move the Democrats made! It seems as though the republicans can block everything let them block this! What is Boehner so upset about? Now you have Democrats that are going to vote against it in the Senate. The Dems would be remiss-ed if they didn't try everything in their power to get what they want during this lame duck session. The Republicans did all they could to block legislation coming from the House and were pretty successful on the most part so its no big deal.

The Senate can go ahead and defeat this Bill it is business as usual. We the people really are used to the games that are played by our elected leaders but what we aren't used to is this new transparency everything is out in the open except that back door tax compromise session is it televised? If not then its a backroom deal.

Well at least we get to see who is voting how on this, that is if they let it come to a vote in the Senate. And Boehner, the middle class is not chicken crap. They will spend thier tax cuts, helping the economy, while the rich will play the wall street casino. Give the rich tax cuts for job creation, not gambling.

You know why the rich pay most of the taxes? Because the rich make most of the money!!! The taxes I paid when I was making $13,000 a year hurt me way more than when I had a combined income of over $100,000. Stop your whining already, it's old.

Janet 489369

Most of the commenters here are brain challenged liberals who can do little else except spew hatred.

Again the democrats are all about discrimination and unequal treatment for american citizens.

Here Obama could not even fill his cabinet positions with democrats that actually paid their taxes, John Kerry parks his yahct in another state to avoid them, Rangle just got charged with tax evasion, and yet these people are the ones lecturing us on being patriotic to pay taxes.

REALITY: Higher taxes on business kill jobs. Unless democrats can explain how businesses having less capital and higher prices helps them to compete abroad, grow and create jobs, invest in R&D, and have cash reserves for a recession, they really have no substance at all.

That is not what he meant. He meant that the taxes should stay the same for everyone. Most people, and it seems even out President, don't realize that the so-called 'millionaires" are people who run small businesses and the revenue is counted as "income"!! These are people who employ people.

Not to mention, you are much easier on the eyes than "Botox Pelosi" with that fake non-moving smirk on her face!

Yeah... nothing says eye candy like a bloated - glow in the dark - hair plugged - booze hound who always looks like he's stifling a burp!

Now that's HOT I tell ya!

Me? Eh... I'll take a pass... he's all yours BABE!

@Batman 85 -- Thanks for the clarification... all the sh!t talk has left ITM feeling rather constipated these days! ;0)

The headlines in this article are Chicken Crap! That's not what Boehner said or intimated. He called the democrat vote chicken crap!

I can't believe the cajones of MSN! They will go down in history as the most partisan un-journalistic cyber junk rag in the history of this country.

What I can believe is the lemmings that fell for this story. The democrats that chime in and start their usual name calling and defragmentation of the truth.

To borrow a phrase from a lot of liberals/progressives/democrats - YOU LOST THE ELECTION - GET OVER IT! Elections have consequences... and the democrats have been handed their pink slip. Get over it.

I say screw it let the tax cuts expire at least it will be fair again.

When will Republican American's realize they are being asked to allow the rich and the Republican politician’s to continue to screw them?

Why do they think that just because the Republican politician’s claim to be the “Righteous Party” that they have the American citizen in their best interest?

Let face it people the Republicans don’t care if we have a job, money, home, food, health care etc…bottom line they care nothing of any of us and still Republican citizens defend them and vote against theirself…I just don’t get it!

I agree with you on spending, but a vast majority of small businesses are not affected by the 250,000 level. You also leave out payroll taxes that all working americans pay when you mention some taxpayers do not have a dog in this fight. I am small business owner that created 90 jobs and was happy with the many advantages an S corp brings to the owners. i.e. cash basis until advantages to make a c corp, bringing early losses forward and historically low capital gains when I sold. We can probably agree with the fact that 83% of the budget is in Defense, SS, Medicaire/medicaid. Do we cut these programs across the board by 5%? Or, are you really a libertarian and against most govt programs? if so, we could agree to disagree, but if you have a plan for cutting then I am all for listening..... I am interested in the various proposals to balance the budget. do you have a favorite?

How stupid must you be to be a liberal and comment in this thread? Just take a minute to do some basic math. If person A makes $60,000.00 a year and pays 20% in taxes, he/she is paying $12,000.00. If person B makes $250,000.00 and pays 10% he/she is paying $25,000.00. You libtards make me want to hurl with your ignorance. The democrats invented class warfare to justify their Robin Hood mentality. Who are you going to pick on when these morons tax away America to pay for leeches to sit on their azzez?

Don't you realize that American exceptionalism was not created off the sweat of others? It was created by those who do sweat. Have you ever gotten a job from a freeloader? I never have. I got my jobs from someone who had money to invest in both his future and mine.

America has been great because Americans are not afraid to do what is necessary to improve themselves. There will be no more American Greatness if all incentive to improve is taken away by an ever increasing/expanding Government that will penalize people for bettering themselves.

The tax cuts? There hasn't been a democrat who willingly passed tax cuts since JFK. Obama's much ballyhooed tax cuts would, if kept, and the Bush tax cuts expired, be a tax increase on the middle class. My taxes would go up by an estimated $2,700.00 a year. I can't afford Obama's generosity with my money!

The republicans want to make the tax cuts permanent and cut spending by Washingtoon. That's why they smoked the dumbascraps in November, those of who work for a living are tired of the same old dumbascrap lies. They smile and say they are for the little guy while picking his pocket. Every time a dumbascrap gets power he expands government and gives away the money of productive people to those who would sit there with their hands out and be content to never do an honest days work. When 47% of Americans pay no net income tax, something is dangerously wrong. The day it reaches higher than 50% America's downfall will be assured! We will be that 3rd World Nation that Bill Clinton said we had to be prepared to be....and a Socialist Nation to boot!

your numbers are off. The 70% of small businesses that make 250k or more is fine..but thats not the tax we are talking about. Thats a BUSINESS tax levied on PROFITS...we are talking about PERSONAL INCOME TAX. they are different. Its good to know this, because the MAJORITY OF SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS MAKE LESS THAN 250k a year. (talk about not knowing how to argue a point....stay on topic..persconal income tax, not business, nor corporate, not estate..oy.

You know, for a while I was starting to think that Red on the Head like a ... and the buzzard that claims to have retired from the military and Bevarly from Barackville, while a little too left leaning for me, might have some ideas that need consideration. Then today, I see that each of them has decided to say that Boehner has called the middle class "Chicken crap". That is the best you can do? Take a statement like "This bill is chicken crap" and turn it into "You people are chicken crap. And if you want to know what people I am talking about, check on first read and they will tell you."

You claim the GOP only cares about the rich, show me which Democratic Senator is not rich. For that matter, any member of Congress that is not. If you refer to "They look out for their own", "They"; are congress, Democrat and Republican.

Now our well versed trio will respond:

Rouge dog part: "I don't care what you say."

Veteran: "You must be stupid, you don't agree with me." (Yes, everyone that does not agree with you is really really dumb)

Bevurly: "Whatever the dog part and the buzzard say, I agree with!"

Or, they might just ignore this because it seems to be a little too clear.....

Whether Boehner considers the the proposal chicken crap or the idea that the Democrats in the House would want to make sure the middle class is protected and considers this a chicken crap "stunt" doesn't really matter. In the end, its the same ideology. He and the Republicans do not want middle class tax breaks unless the rich get theirs.

Oh and who just voted against extending unemployement benefits yesterday??? Benefits for the those people without jobs... jobs that were lost as a result of the rich and arrogant on Wall Street - The Republicans

And who won't allow a vote on continuing the healthy lunch program for the poor? Maybe the only good meal kids can get because their parents are poor or unemployed? The Republicans

Who do the Republicans really care about? It's not the 96% of us who make less than $250K a year; its not about the millions who have lost their job; its not about poor kids.

Welcome to the America under Republican control---by next election I'm sure you'll have had quite enough!

Boehner is not looking for compromise. He is looking to continue the tax relief bill started by Bush. Eliminating the top 2% from this bill would provide some funds to be used for other programs. The truth of the whole matter is that these people can afford paying the extra taxes. And if some people in that group are Democrats, then so be it. Obviously over the past (4) years it was the richer percentage that gained from the bailouts. How much of the Wall Street bailout money has been returned? I haven't heard those numbers. Funds that were given to Banks that initially gave the bad mortgages are being used to recover their loses when homes are being put up for Short Sales instead of working with the original owners to lower their costs so that they could afford to keep theis homes.

Janet, you are so full of the same crap that Boner keeps spewing that we can smell you coming miles away. If anyone in this nation has refused to do ANYTHING to solve the nation's problems, it's you spineless hypocrits. Since the Democrats gained a majority in Congress, not one Republican has even attempted to help solve problems. All you do is bitch and moan and hold up any rational plan. F**k you all.

The Obama Administration and Democrats have been blocking the republicans since 2008. The American people know it and in 2010 elected change and demanded that we move away from out of control government growth and spending and create jobs in order to grow the economy. How difficult is it for some of you people to understand this? Speaker (to be) Boehner is nothing like the childish remarks and castigations some of you inbred trailer dwellers characterize him as. I think it's time the grown ups take control of the discussion. Obama's politics are pretty transparent. The tricks are that he makes "nice" to republicans (and the American people) to their faces and then has Nancy, Harry, Barney and the rest of the flinstones bring surprise votes to the floor within 10 hours of Obama's whitehouse meeting pretending to want to compromise. Classic bait & switch... figures he is still selling cars folks!

Why does the government think it has a right to your money, my money or anyones? They don't and it's about time we put an end to giving it to them so that they can piss it all away! We will all be much better off with less government and more prosperity.

Very well said.

Takes an a-- h---- to no where crap comes from

@ John in DesMoines - it's not 98% being held hostage, it's only 51% since 47% don't pay taxes. Of the 51%, all of them want to continue the tax rates as they are the ones working and paying their own way. And $200,000 is not that much and there will be far more than 2% in the bracket when it is all said and done.

"Boehner calls middle-class tax bill 'chicken crap'

Republican translation: 'WHERE'S MINE!"

are you saying that with both hands out?

The top 2% pay 57% of the income taxes, it's not enough??

Feisty,

If you looked at the comments of Pelosi and Boehner without consideration of their political party, you could not support your position.

Why be so negative to anything that someone else says? Why not do what is best for everyone?

The rich will get richer regardless of what we do, why not passify them for a while so the economy can recover?

Unfortuneately, you have NO idea what you are even talking about. Check into the WHOLE story before make comments that show no intelligence.

If anyone would know 'chickenisht', it would be Boner!

His is pissed that his Corporate investors will be unpleased. I just wish he cared more about the people who voted him in and not the ones that paid his way in. This is the Republican Party.... what can we do?

Hey look everyone except the bottom 40% need a tax break. Where do you think the jobs come from? You? Not hardly. The lower 40% pay no fed payroll tax and get big refund from the gov't at the end of the year. Some of that money is mine so how about everyone get a fair shake. You people are so narrow minded. If you can buy cigs, booze, drugs, cars, big screen tv's and video machines you can pay your fair share of fed payroll taxes. You are so damn selfish.

moshuluu,

The key to understanding the english language is to read the entire statement, rather than pick a couple of words, before you reply

I don't get it when guys like Al here say things like "they (are rich) so they can "afford" to pay more taxes"... What is wrong with you? How does this type of thinking come from an American? This is in fact the most UN-American thing any of you nitwits could say. Let's take your "ideas" (ideology) on a global scale okay. I bet everyone on this blog lives with a roof over your head.. right? You have water, electric, etc... you're safe comfortable etc... Correct? Well guess what? there are 3 billion people who don't have nearly half the conveniences you have so why don't you just give what you have so at least some Somali can have a roof over their head? YOU CAN AFFORD IT! Talk about hypocrites...

This is America and we have what we have because THIS IS AMERICA. So start being Americans and be productive and don't rationalize the government taking from someone else because YOU say they can afford it. That's not a good reason and it's not how American's do things. If this keeps up we wont recognize this country pretty soon.

Well here we are again arguing about how we all are taxed, I think that everyone should be taxed on their total income, no ceiling what so ever, I pay on every single dollar I earn as most of the people that are not in the top 2%, NO more tax deductions for anyone, that's that way it should be ....... We see double standards every where we look in our country and that's BS, there are laws for the commoners and the wealthy slid by with no real justice being handed to them, that's the way it is and I'm sick of the CRAP as I'm sure many of you are also ....

Remember, Bush and Dickhead called the middle class "The Beast". Chicken crap you say? Good to know Jon Boehner what you think of the middle class who you would have pay for the tax cuts for the richest people in this country. We need to make it number one priority to get rid of these people who want to get rich off the hard work of us middle class tax payers. We cannot let these people get away with their "Chicken Crap". What a damn pig he is and how juvenile he and his rich buddies are to spout off "Chicken Crap" like this. They are the enemy. Every year, the rich have become richer because of the Bush tax cuts as the middle class has crumbled. That's because we are paying for it folks. WAKE UP AMERICA. IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT!!!

In the Middle: I have people in my family that are collecting unemployment and there is no way in hell they paid that much into it.

Your employer pays into the unemployment insurance fund, and they must give permission when someone applies for unemployment insurance. If an unemployed person is allowed to collect, the amount is based on what they were making before they were laid off. That amount is usually less than 2/3 of what they were making (that's for an average wage earner - there is a cap on the amount you can receive). The percentage varies from state to state because this is not a federal program, although the fed chipped in last year when the number of unemployed skyrocketed and states were strapped.

Speaking from experience, I can tell you that unemployment benefits are nowhere near enough to ride around in Escalades all day. Your relatives must have other sources of income.

Make sure you know what you are talking about before you criticize others.

Kyot,

Right on!!!

Well to all that voted the GOP into power, you had better be rich because this is going to be a long hard road for the middleclass and the poor. It is deserving, however, because the folly of the Republicans past was ignored under pretense of a balanced budget. The Republicans don't give a damn about balancing a budget that would help mainstream America, the poor and the middleclass are expanable. If they had had any compassion for us we would already have bills in place that would help middleclass America. The vote of "No" to anything suggested by Obama or the Democracts was a sign of a Dictatorship on the part of Republicans. They always had the oppostion to speak, and make suggestions; they didn't want that, they wanted total control. Now they have it thanks to Nov. 2nd election, and all America accept for the rich will pay. There is no way around that, taxes will go up, up and the debt will go higher and higher, and at the end they will say it's Obama and the Democractics fault because they waited to long to act. We will borrow money from China to pay for this tax cut for the weathy, and help our two war project; we have to do something and jobs are not coming back, and they will be sparingly created.. Why would rich people want bring jobs back here to help the poor and middleclass/// The Republicans are not going to make them, hell they don't care. The reason jobs went overseas was for cheap labor, and the tariff for goods coming back for sale is very low so the rich gets richer and the rest of us just get by. There will be more jobs leaving, because we have given a green light to say it's ok to ruin the nation and we all ,were happy to assist. The Healthcare will be hacked to piece and for the next two years we will concenrate on that evil and be oblivious to all of the other crap that the Republicans will be passing. We made cut government workers and social security for the poor and middleclass, but we will never cut soc. sec. for the weathy, why??? The Republicans are weathy, and they present weathy people. Never in the history of America has any party been so deceitiful, vicious, and downright disrespectful to the office of the Presidency. We will truly go down in history, and not favorably. One thing for sure the legacy we leave for generations to come will show them the true characters of our appointed officals and not very sterling i might add. There was a news report that a women's bathroom was going to put in on the senate floor for women, by the main Repos, good thinking........CRAP is crap you know.

The Boner is showing that he and his party is not for the middle cLS

Thanks Dave! when I sell my company hopefully soon in the next 5 years I am running for the US senate. I hope I can count on your support. Thanks again...

Richie,

Everyone should be taxed on what they consume, not what they earn. Consume more, you pay more. That is much more fair than a flat tax which hurts the lower income folks.

A consumption tax is what we need!!!!!

Well Mary I am sorry you feel this way but of course this is the real platform of the democrat party: PESSIMISM

GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF ME

DESTROY PROSPERITY

EVERYONE'S THE SAME

God help us or save us from this sad and pathetic democrat platform!

He said the bill was chicken crap, not the people. And, if you read is, it taxes businesses, but not individuals. And does nothing for those earning less than 20K per year.

Keep drinking the koolaid .

Hi Dave,

Well the lower income people get taxed on their total income, but the top two percent pay on a fraction of their earnings, what you suggest is just a way for these people to earn more and pay less .... And how would it hurt the lower income people they already pay on the total of what they earn anyway ...

Janet, you do realize that the tax cuts were put in a sleezy way which is way they have to expire now? First of all, it was the repub that said they would not compromise. Remember? It is a good thing that our president is trying to make things work but it wasn't like the repub didn't know this issue was coming up. They just continued there NO. Now they are suggesting that unemployment benefits are the same as giving earners over 250K tax breaks. Yeah, someone who needs the money to put food on the table is the same as someone who may have to buy a smaller yacht. One adds to the economy and the other takes away. We gave them 10 years to prove that it would create business and it has, unfortunately over seas. What did you do with all your extra money from the previous 10 years? Hopefully save it because at some time the cost of two wars and senior drug program will have to be paid for.

Bill N.: The bankers only charge you an overdraft fee if you don't have the money to cover your $4.50 dollar cup of coffee. You have control over that. Be responsible about your money - don't spend what you don't have.

All Republicans are obligated to take care of the RICH!!!! They spent their money to put these guys in office and they expect to be paid back with favors. Republicans are reverse Robin Hoods. They take from the poor and give to the RICH who are the ones they constantly refer to as "the American people" whom we were sent here to represent. We will never hear anything from the GOP that will help the middle class and the poor.

I am so glad I received a good education. It make me sad that there are so many "stupid" people out there that don't know "@!$%# from shinola". Keep it up you liberal mushrooms. Eventually we'll get around to you.

Republicans are outraged at what they percieve to be a political stunt ??

It's more likely they are jealous .

To "US Navy Disabled Veteran, Retired."

Is that supposed to hold some weight.

Your views are exactly 180DEG from mine.... Is there a problem with the other half of the county having an opinion and speeking up for what they believe. Dont kid yourself. The Left is getting all they can, how they want it and while they can and I as a right winged, jesus loving, bible carring, family man with 5 kids agree very little with what has gone on in the last 2 years. (Oh, Gun toting.)

Show some humility and respect for that title which you have so rightly earned...

Thank you for your sacrifice and service.

joemamma,

Given that most post graduates are left - leaning, you are speaking of your high school education, Good for you, it make me happy !!!

I certainly hope that all you who think that the lameducks did the right thing have good jobs with huge corporations or the government. We don't need you on welfare or unemployment now, do we? It's where those who support the Dems voted out last month are going to end up if they work for small businesses. Thanks be to whomever your supreme being may be (you I guess, if you happen to be an atheist) and to the majority of American voters that Nancy will now be setting in the back instead of Republicans next month.

InTheMiddleTex:

I have people in my family that are collecting unemployment and there is no way in hell they paid that much into it. They have no intention of getting a job until it runs out. They ride up and down the street all day in escalades with dubs on it while everyone else is at work. Those are the same ones getting frikken 7-8000 tax refund checks every year while making 15000 and working 6 months. Something is wrong but when Republicans say something about it, they are labeled racist, etc.

You might have had a decent post till you got to this part! Sorry chum, but this statement is BS! You seem to have gotten carried away with your imagination and told a fairy tale, which if you read it, you would not accept it as truth either! If you wish us to accept what you say as fact, try not to make it so unbelievable! Good luck next time!!

Just as i thought, you far left fools can't read a damn thing that was written or said oraly! This is why we are broke and can't get anything done in Washington Dems/there far left followers are all out to lunch and that is not CHICKEN CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boner wasn't calling the middle class chicken crap he was calling the vote chicken crap. But it's no secret Boner doesn't care for the middle class.

"I don't get it when guys like Al here say things like "they (are rich) so they can "afford" to pay more taxes"... What is wrong with you? How does this type of thinking come from an American?"

Americans have been saying thigs like this since 1862, when the first Federal income tax was levied. The 16th Amendment to the Constitution passed out of Congress in 1909 and was ratified by the states by 1913. It's the concept that those who gain the most from society have no obligation to support it that's unamerican.

And, I think John Boehner is chicken crap!

I love people who know nothing about taxes complaining about the tax code.

Businesses that spend their money on investments, whether its Equipment or an employee, do not get taxed on their spend. THey can deduct those costs before they compute their taxable income. Its ridiculous that people keep saying that taxing an employer (an income tax) is going to limit their ability to hire someone. That's a farce and anyone who has ever taken tax accounting 101 knows this.

And before you ask, I"m a tax accountant (CPA) at the largest accounting firm in the world. And I'm posting on my dinner break...

John Boner would certainly be an authority on chicken crap, he is the biggest walking pile of chicken crap ever created and he can take his tax cuts for the rich and shove them where the sun doesn't shine!

I amreading the comments deridinig the Democratic congress and I think.... Where were these psuedo budget balancers from 2000 to 2008???? I am speaking to the GOP Congress, but even more to the citizens that didn't raise an eyebrow when we deficit spent? Think about it... Also If you really want to try to cut into the deficit, taxes are the chief way to start reduction, in additon to cutting spending. It can't be done by spending cuts alone.

Chriswiler, I agree. Tax cuts are not the only things that need to be addressed. We need to cut spending. One thing I'll say for Obama, I'm happy he froze wages for 2 years. I know people that work for the Government that make more money and have better bennies than people in the private sector and I don't care for Obama.

You have to love the Democrats. They want to tax the people that might be able to create jobs more so they can't create jobs. Then they want to extend the unemployment benefits indefinitely so the unemployed will owe them somthing. I'm sorry if you are really looking for a job and can't find anything in 99 months then you are either unemployable or you're gaming the system by collecting benifits while making money under the table illegally. It IS chicken crap if we let the people gaming the system get away with it.

I would like to address the people who claim that this will affect small business owners. Clearly, none of you have ever run a successful business. Any businessman with a half decent accountant will find a way to write off everything and show little to no profit on the books. The company covers the cell phone, the vehicles, those football tickets that were to 'entertain clients', the family picnic (employee luncheon). Everything that can get written off....does. If I am showing more than 250k in "profit"""everything left after I got every tax break available and took every deduction possible, I am doing pretty well. This means my family is making $20833.00 each month. Tax it 50% it would still be 10,000 a month. My family can sit very pretty for that amount...theirs does too. If they choose to buy Harleys and a huge house and take family vacations they can't write off...that is their choice...but you cannot tell me that one who is grossing 20k a month before taxes...and after all business expenses, the 'work' car, and everything else they write off is paid....just can't afford to pay a little more.

As to the argument that this is why they can't hire....all employee expenses such as payroll are not taxed and are not income for the business owner. If paying someone 20k a year will allow the owner to make more money...he will do so regardless of the tax rate. Businesses do not hire and fire based on the tax rate but on what the return another employee will generate when compared to the costs. Profit is the only consideration...Will the owner make more money then she makes now? Not...If I hire person x...I will only net 6k a year...I will wait until a tax change and hire when I will make $6500.00...no sooner.

They are spinning the argument and trying to fool people into believing that people who make 20k+ a month will really be hurt if they pay more, and we will too. This is not the case. Most people earn in 1 year what these people make in 1-3 months. For those of you struggling to survive on 50k a year for your family...know that these people make that in 2.5 months....how dare they pay an extra 4% or $40 per $1000 they earn when the car they drive to work, and likely their lunch too is not included in the number.

Think people...

Maybe the republicans should walk a few miles in my shoes. I promise you they wouldn't like not knowing if you will get a job or have enough money to get through the week. A tax cut wont help me much but a job would..Being in this position at middle age is chichen shyt.

Dam Obama, I supprt you Nancy stick to your convictions.....no tax cuts for the RICH !!!!!!

And finally we see what orange man really thinks about the American middle class..."chicken crap" lazy bums that don't need unemployment checks for the Christmas holidays... disgraceful

Negotiations with the WH? They walked out and threatened to stop all ligilation unless their demand were met. Thats negotiation. Bring the bill to the floor have the senate vote on it at the same time. To hell with these elitists slaves.

Wake up! Vote Republican if you are rich or a one issue voter. Vote Democrat if you are poor or middle class. It's a no brainer.

Hey chickin crap republicans, don't you agree that people making less than $250,000 a year are gonna get the tax break? Then vote yes on this and get something accomplished. You can negotiate the rest later or are you too chickin sh!t?

Pretty much says it all...... by Thomas Jefferson:

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - untill their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered"

You can get a job tomorrow. Just find a telemarketing office. They are always hiring.. What??? Your too good for a job like that? Who cares if it pays less than what you used to make. ITS A JOB! and you could always get 2! God forbid you work more than 40 hours... But I guess its easier to use our tax money to be unemployed for the last 2 years than work at a job like that. I don't care if you paid for the benefits when you were employed. You paid for 32 weeks of benefits, not 99. You all talk about fair, is it fair that someone who was unemployed 4 years ago got just 32 weeks, while you got 99? Not by a long shot.

Been reading most of the comments and sad to see the chasm between the two parties...not any better than those we sent to DC. I am an independent, retired and a veteran. Blessed with being born in the US and because of circumstances, English is actually my second language. I used the GI Bill to help my through college. I became an independent during the 80's when I saw what deregulation did to our financial situation and when I discovered how we were lied to by LBJ to get us into Vietnam. I did more research into that topic when I was looking into how and why we allowed ourselves to get fooled again; into the Iraq war. A famous Marine general wrote that "War is a Racket," and there will be those that die and those that make money.

I voted for Obama because I wanted change and he was young and gave me hope, and even though he seems to lean towards my middle-class background and loyalty, he's kept the same people in treasury and continues to pursue wars and all our wars includimg the first one (1776) are paid with borrowed money. I like others answered my country's need and served. I've since concluded that most who have and do still, are the middle class and poor. In the meantime at our country's time of need there have been those (the majority), that continue to live normal lives and make their careers. In the long run many enjoy freedoms and show their patriotism by putting so called patriotic bumper stickers on their cars. But when asked to give, and perhaps to give a little more than their fair share to support their nation with taxes, it becomes an unfair burden to them. Somehow patriotism has a limit and it appears to be limited to those of us that were fortunate enough to be born in America, but unfortunately in the middle to lower class of people.

As the divde between the haves and have nots grows so has my opinion of those who wave the flag the most from the comfort of their nice homes and churches.

As usual you libs always post first without thinking about what you are going to say. Then I scroll down to hear the more intelligent people`s thoughts. Can`t wait for the change over...

@E.Alva

Hun, Obama ran for office promising to shift the focus of the war from Iraq to Afghanistan.... now maybe you only heard what you wanted, but he never promised to end the war in Afghanistan...quite the opposite. He did promise to work with the republicans on a bipartisan legislation....however it takes 2 to tango... the republicans instead chose to oppose every bill brought forth by the democrats effectively becoming the party of no.

As for the people in the treasury.... The news today indicates the 93,000 private sector jobs were created last months. The stock market is up some 5,000 since Obama took Office. It took 8 years to get into this mess, and its gonna take more than 2 years to get us out...but it looks like 2011 will be much better than 2010..so we're on the right track...no doubt the newly elected republican house will be taking credit for the economy improving as soon as they take office in January.

I think its funny that people like Louis make comments like that yet won't address comments made by people like myself and Dave above who are clearly explaining why this whole debate about small business is bull@!$%#. I think it also shows that as my professor used to say,

"When you have facts on your side, argue the facts; when you have the law on your side, argue the law; and when you have neither, pound the table (or in this case accuse the other party of being at fault/idiots).....

when the US go into depression I see some of the so called rich giving up something because the poor will take what they need from them so get smart dumb people when a person in office say it's not good for you but makes sure he get's better for him and his family what about this picture is right.

Keep in mind that the Bush tax cuts have proved not to create new jobs; but instead created a negative effect (loss of jobs) during this period of time. Now, when this comes to vote in the Senate on Friday, the Republicans have signed a prior agreement to filibusterer the tax extension for the middle class and poor, if the top 2% elite don't get their BONUS at the cost of $700 Billion dollars added to the National Deficit (sure sounds like blackmail to me). Therefore, are the Republicans saying, that if the tax extension expires because of their blocking the passing of this legislature, that they are willing to explain to the Constituents as to why the taxes are going up for everyone when they campaigned on the promise of no tax increases??? No doubt they will put the twist on that to blame all others, except themselves, which has been their usual practice of being the Grinch Obstructionist Pimps, party of "NO".

Janet,

"There are none so blind as those, who won't see!" And I might add: Don't understand or want to, such as the likes of those as you. In a supposedly professional position at work, what kind of language is that to be using in Congress?? Is that the only level of intellectual language that Boehner is capable of expressing?? It is sad indeed when someone in Congress has to stoop to gutter language to express his opinion publicly. It is certainly doesn't speak much of his professionalism. And Boehner's attitude as-well-as the "Rethugblicans" selfish, self-serving, self-centered, greedy threats are no better than the language he used.

To the U.S. Army Special Forces Disabled Veteran, Retired:

You call yourself, "a Jesus loving, Bible carrying, family man". Yet you slam a fellow veteran for expressing his opinion. Perhaps you need to do the same as you so suggested to the Vet, by showing some of your own humility and respect for that title which, you have so rightly earned.

Ok America, You want two wars, you want to give people earned income tax credit,( welfare, you only earn a certain amount you do your taxes, you pay no taxes you get every tax dollar you paid back plus $3-6000 more that you did not pay to bring up to a certain level). They say kids can not learn in school because they do not eat well at home so they get free lunch at school, but it is junk food, you pay 15 and 16 years children to have babies and their 18 or 19 year old boyfriends do not pay support.

Well it is time to end all the BS, Your Gov. paid Corp. America to ship your Job to China, so now lets pay as we go. Do not extend any of the tax cuts, that is right end them all, end the earned income tax credit, get a second job if needed to support your family, and you get food stamps, so no more free school lunch programs that money needs to be spent on education, it appears that feeding the kids free junk food did not work, they still drop out and can not read or write, and for kids that make babies, well guess what I should not pay for that, the child's mom and dad, and the boys mom and dad, yes the family takes responsibility and pays the hospital bills, pays the cost for the baby, no food stamps, no welfare, not one time, if a child under 18 has a child no state aid or fed aid period, the parents of that child take full responsibility until that child is 18.

It is time the American people take responsibility for their families and stop putting that responsibility on me and other Americans. You want a baby and no husband then you pay the price and suffer the outcome. End the tax, cuts, end the earned tax credit, end aid to children that have babies, no more paid day care, if a boy and girl make a baby, guess what work two or three jobs and support the cost of that baby, when it is born the woman must state the father and immediate court action taken for support, and no mommy does not sit on her butt caring for the baby put the baby on your back and go pick produce in the farms

I HAVE HEARD THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT SCREAM OF FAMILY VALUES THE REPUBLICAN DISCRIMINATE AS THEY PREACH FAMILY VALUES, WELL NOW LETS PRACTICE FAMILY VALUES AND GUESS WHAT YOU HAVE A FAMILY IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY THE PAY FOR ITS SUPPORT, YOU PAY THE HOUSE IT, FEED IT, EDUCATED, That is the republican way, right now no one is paying for it, not the rich and not the middle class, G W Bush cut your taxes, and borrowed the money from the Chinese at the same time paying Corp. America to send your job to China. So REPUBLICANS PRACTICE SOME FAMILY VALUES FOR ONCE END WELFARE TO ALL AMERICANS AND HOLD FAMILIES RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES, Chairity, that is what the Church is for, not the Gov.

"Chicken crap" is what will be scraped off of egg produce now that the FDA can regulate giant agribusiness farming practices and recall unsafe products.

Republicans flip flop all the way to the bank. When Bush's Congress passed the cut, it did so under that reviled process (to hear the Repubs), reconciliation. Consequently they got the cuts only for ten years. They set the expiration date by passing the bill they did. Dems objected back then that too much of the break went to the upper 2%, they are still complaining about it today. There were Repubs that objected to the tax break during a war. Where are the other fiscally responsible Repubs.? They're too busy amassing a huge deficit with no hope of paying it off. Ike would not be happy with the party as it is today, the highest tax rate during his time was 90%, to pay off another war of course. Republicans want war, pay for it jackholes.

Republicans flip flop all the way to the bank.

The only disputed part is the tax breaks for those making > $250K. Do you really think all Republicans make that much $$? To hear liberals talk, you'd think they all lived out in the sticks in trailer parks.

Sorry Pat in Slowcal

The republicans did not increase the debt the way you say, most of the increase in deficit spending came in the last 4 years, and most of that in the last 2 years...when the democrats had control of the legislature and the Presidency.

Soon you will see the State of California pleading with the Fed, saying since we spent out our azz on every give away to every bum with their hand out (legal citizen or not). You can't allow the 8th largest economy in the world to go belly up, we're too big to fail!

Actually, most republicans make far more than that. Most of them are millionaires and have no clue what it is to struggle through these times. They cut back on nothing when the economy fell to pieces...... while under REPUBLICAN SUPERVISION. And those making < 250K holds the bulk of the tax burden is completely backwards when those claiming to be the job creators only create jobs abroad where the labor is far, far, cheaper.

Allen

No all Republicans don't make $250,000 because I know some that are on food stamps and welfare so stop the poor liberal BS. They are southern white trash bums living on welfare and vote Republican because their simpleminded thinking is that the Democrats will take their gun. I hope the Republicans do cut their welfare so they'll have to get a job.

Boehner is mad because Pelosi is doing something she should have done before the election and now he won't have the tax program to hold hostage next month and be the "big shot" that got it passed. Chicken crap stunt?? Man the Republicans sure know how to shoot the BS. They wrote the book on chicken crap stunts and use it repeatedly for the last 2 years.

Speaking of chicken crap, somebody should steer John Boehner to a mirror.

The republicans did not increase the debt the way you say, most of the increase in deficit spending came in the last 4 years, and most of that in the last 2 years...when the democrats had control of the legislature and the Presidency.

Anoother right wing lie. Bush spent 6.1 trillion more than he took in during his admin. He did not have to spend a dime he could have vetored every bill he though was spending too much no matter who was in congress and the last two years the Democrats had a small majority of one or two votes in the senate so can this crap. Also Bush's share did not end until October 1 of Obamas first year as with all new Presidents. They work under the last presidents fiscal year until then. Right winger like to add that into Obama column but he is only responsible for the budget that started after Bush finished. That budget was only 600 billion in the red with the stimulus not added in. Time for you people to stop the lies people can read

Why are Democrats always the least educated?

Boehner never said the middle tax was "chicken crap". He sid the stunt that Nancy Pelosi was pulling was.

Democrats only divide and blame others for the problems they cause. They don't deserve a voice. They shouldn't even be breathing in the US. They should be carted off somewhere else where they can push their kumbaya BS..like maybe Afghanistan.

NDD and Jody: Looks like we are all on the same page with this topic.

Boy, Ron and Jody: No kidding! How do you take these people seriously, and what do you suppose the Middle Class Americans think if they voted these people into office? Or do they have to wait for Beck et al to tell them?

This so-called MIDDLE CLASS label is getting to be old and played out. It has become a talking point. Who formulates what is considered the middle class? 250,000 IS NOT RICH. I can take you to some places in Texas where 250,000 won't get you very much.

Everyting's relative, ITM. Yes, there are places in Texas and elsewhere that $250 K isn't 'rich'. Then again, there are places in Texas, I bet, where $25,000 IS considered 'rich.

But- to put it in a more proper perspective: Just 3% of the US population are making over $250,000.

Now...why do you despise 97% of your fellow countrymen?

Drive by, do the math any way you want, but 3% cannot carry an unproductive, non-tax paying 97 %. Why do you despise the productive class? Jealousy?

Don't earn enough? Find a better job. Or better yet, find true job security and go into business for yourself... or are you too dependent on the gov't or your union to take care of you?

@InTheMiddle:

Seriously!?! You think people making $250,000 (a quarter of a million $$) per year aren't rich!?! Now if you meant people who were WORTH $250,000 aren't rich, then I might agree with you. But if you are able to pull down a six-figure income ($100,000), let alone $250,000, and still can't buy everything you need and most things you want (within reason) you really need to evaluate your priorities. (And this goes for people living in L.A., NYC and SF...where the cost of living is the highest in the U.S.).

DBO--because he was TOLD to.

Because itm and all of the idiots that think that the REPs out there are in it for the country are being led by thier fear and hate.

I am so tired of hearing how in NOV10 the people spoke and now the DEMs must fall into submission with the minority (and they ARE STILL THE MINORITY as long as a DEM is president).

What happened then with the NOV08 election? When the people spoke then -- the REPs have been falling all over themselves blubbering about the dangerous man in the white house. Now it is he doesn t listen to the people -- WHEN ARE THE REPs GOING TO START LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE -- NOT JUST THEIR WALL STREET BUDDIES?

When will this country be put FIRST to coin a phrase I heard somewhere sometime ago!!!???

Norm,

What are you saying? What 97% of the population are non-productive and non-tax paying? That's just ridiculous. At least try to stay in the boundaries of reality. Visit at least every once in a while.

"Find a better job."

They're all in India and China thanks to the Republics tax loophole giving tax breaks to corporations to move jobs overseas (treason) and all that great work by The Chamber of Commerce of China and India.

Leave the GOP alone! Being wealthy (top 2%!) means never having to pay taxes!

norm903 - Thank you for being honest enough to admit how you feel about the 97% of us who aren't wealthy. If the folks in this country will only listen to you and understand this is how the core Republican party feels about the workers of this country, our problems will be solved within 2 election cycles...thanks again.

When they show you who they are...believe them!

"What are you saying? What 97% of the population are non-productive and non-tax paying?"

vwterry, that's fully within the mainstream of Conservative thinking. The only reason 97% are able to feed ourselves is because the wealthy elites need us badly enough to favor us with a crap job.

Sad, isn't it?

Ol Doc, EGlide, Vw, et al: you missed the sarcasm, my bad. The comment I responded to by Drive By was "- to put it in a more proper perspective: Just 3% of the US population are making over $250,000.

Now...why do you despise 97% of your fellow countrymen?"

Yhe question back to him was, "why do you despise the productive class?" No, the other 97% of the working population isn't valueless but to think that penalizing the top earners is the solution is wrong.

The Revolutionary said to the Peasant: "Anyone who has more than one acre of land will have that land confiscated and given to the People!", and the Peasant said "Right on!"

Then the Revolutionary said, "And anyone who has more than one oxwill have those oxen confiscated and given to the People." Again the Peasant cries out, "Right on!"

But when the Revolutionary said, "And anyone who has more than one shirt will have those shirts confiscated and distributed to the People" the Peasant said, "Wait a minute, I've got more than one shirt!"

I guess it depends on whose ox is being gored, but you can be sure it will be yours tomorrow if you take mine today.

House Democrats, [snip] have brought to the floor a bill that would extend the tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 a year.

NBC's Luke Russert reports that speaker-in-waiting John Boehner is unhappy with the move, calling it "chicken crap" and "nonsense."

It's "business as usual". I can't wait til January for the swamp to get a bit of draining. They ammended the bill to avoid bipartisanship and are risking the entire bill failing and taxes to be raised on the lower and middle class. It's just like the way they threw in stuff about gay rights in the middle of a bill that approved spending for body armor and supplies for the troops overseas.

John 'George Hamilton' Boner is a laughingstock in Mason, Ohio. It won't take long until the rest of the country finds out what a twit he is. Republicans, faithful to a fault, will blindly follow their leaders like lemmings and Democrats will continue to each have their own solution to the problems that most of them don't understand. Nothing has changed. Tea Party is just another term for rightwingnut. Some are just nuts with NO wing. We're not any better off than when the Bush Brigade sat on its hands and watched the country crumble. They were not responsible for the calamity....they were responsile for not doing their job for 8 years and allowing it to happen. Were they THAT fixated on Saddam that they couldn't see the economic tsunami? They WERE in charge, after all. And for 6 of those 8 years they had COMPLETE control, House and Senate.

We need a REAL new party and not just an extension of one of the existing ones. We need an AMERICAN party and not a group of people set on maintaining their own tie to the money vein.

"..., non-tax paying 97 %." Geez- this number jumped from 47% to 97 % in ONE AFTERNOON!

Norm- YOU do the math, bro.

Ooops- didn't know you were tossing in some sarcasm, Norm. Sorry. Me and John Boehner will buy you a drink now.

He means the Democrats are chicken (you know what)...afraid of Obama who doesn't know what the heck he is talking about.

The advice to get a better job still stands drive by... presuming you have one in the first place. A person with your obvious skills should easily be in the 3% you despise.

You are right about 47% of the population not paying taxes as opposed to the 97% referenced. Just think how that 47% would react if instead of the meager taxes they pay by withholding were instead paid by writing a check every quarter like the productive class. There would be rioting in the streets. "Hey, I've got one shirt!"

norm903 - I believe our ox has been gored for the last 3 decades. And I do not feel that those born into wealth, sitting by the pool waiting for a dividend check taxed at 15% are exactly what I would call productive. Especially when those dividend checks come from companies who offshored American jobs in their "race to the bottom line".

Ol Doc, gored by the Republi-crats. Be honest, the difference is on the fringes of each party, maybe 2% on each end. If we're in the soup it is because of both parties. In the history of the US there have only been two parties either in control or sharing control. To say it is one or the other is simply wrong.

Having said that, using up the seed corn to eat is bad policy. Eventually you run out of the other guy's money.

Pam, I realize that the Fox "News" slaves have little idea of what they are speaking about, but the Main Stream Media was protected by the Founding Fathers so that you may have a source of information about your government. Why don't you turn off Fox (since it kills brain cells) and try listening to something a bit more, well, honest.

From listening to Bohner speak he doesnt want to extend tax cuts for those who need them most. Why does Walmart need a tax break when they have billions? Dont tell me its to create jobs because I work there and we are not hiring! But yet their tax rate is still currently at 36% so what gives???

Aaron

You got to love those Fox Noise Watchers they take their lead from a guy who only became a US Citizen so he could own TV stations and control a huge part of our media and the GOP. Yes Ladies and Gentleman I give you Rupert Murdoch from the most conservative country on the planet Australia. He's great! My Hero! Hey, Mr. Murdoch don't you know you can't take it with you. Keep up the good work! Thanks!

Damn but I wish my tax/health ins/loophole rate was only 36%. By the time I stop paying for all the things I am "entitled" to I have little left to live. Go Figure! It is the liberal in me that actually expects my government to do more than campaign and bitch about the elections!!!

Main Stream Media was protected by the Founding Fathers

Not quite.

ALL speech, even conservative speech, is protected....despite efforts on the part of the Neo-Socialists to shut it down.

This starts with the Obama White house, and trickles down to the likes of Howard Dean, Al Sharpton and other left-wing Socialist types.

Pam, I did listen and watched him say it and there is no doubt, he was mad that the 'stunt' put him on the spot.

This was about tax cuts for the middle class and the Democrats want that extended and are trying whatever maneouver will get attention and hopefully get it done.

That is not on John of Orange's agenda he just wants tax cuts for the wealthy. Do you fit in that category? If so, then I can understand your siding with our classy Speaker to be. If not, then what can I say, along the way, you hopefully will realize in life...you get what you pay for or vote for.

I know what I didnt vote for, a smarmy country club type who thinks I'm "Chicken-Crap".

steve you are correct that all political speech is protected but may I point out the secret undisclosed money was spent to defeat all canadates that were not hard right I remember at least

$70 000 000 that we know of

Right On Gingerbread Mama! Well said.

Aaron: Wait a minute - Walmart pays 35% tax and you don't think that is enough. It's 35%! $0.35 for every $1.00. I think that is plenty. What reason should they pay more? Oh wait, is it because you don't want to pay your share?

GERI: no they should do as they promised , get a tax cut CREATE JOBS. why havent they hired? they switched medical plans I PAY more, we under staffed what gives??? Business is booming at wally's world aka Walmart so whats gives GERI?????? Walmart is the job creator not me so why do they need a tax cut yet again?

*my bad I mean tax rate extension

Whatever they pay, it isn't enough to make up for all the employees that they hire so cheaply my tax dollars subsidize them through welfare.

Year after year, Wal-Mart’s low pay and meager employee benefits force hundreds of thousands of employees to resort to Medicaid, food stamps, and public housing. Call it the “Wal-Mart Tax.” And it costs you $1.5 billion in federal tax dollars every year.

http://walmartwatch.com/pdf/ad-nyt-042005.pdf

Why don't you turn off Fox (since it kills brain cells) and try listening to something a bit more, well, honest.

Telling people replying to an article NOT on Fox News that they should try listening to something else is pretty much a sign of dead brain cells. It's like me telling you that you never read MSNBC articles in reply to your comment on an MSNBC article.

Pam-1052172

Before you guys take this snippet of info and bash Boehner listen to the entire comment. Oh yeah, that would require not listening to the mainstream media.

Just thought you might want to hear it all and make your OWN opinion.

Well, one thing for sure the Boner is not listening to the people as evidenced by the latest polls.

A new Associated Press-CNBC Poll shows most people oppose extending expiring tax cuts for the richest Americans. Just 34 percent want to renew tax cuts for everyone; 50 percent prefer extending the reductions only for those earning under $250,000 a year; and 14 percent want to end them for all.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/11/30/general-us-obama-congress_8171098.html?boxes=Homepagebusinessnews

Most people want "don't ask, don't tell" repealed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6194325-503544.html

The Bush tax cuts of 2001 to 2003 provided much less stimulus to the economy than other policies of equal cost would have

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/bush-tax-cuts/buck.cfm

Nearly three out of four Americans say lawmakers should ratify a nuclear treaty with Russia that's stalled in the Senate

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/16/cnn-poll-three-quarters-say-ratify-start-treaty/

Most in US want to keep the new health care law

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/11/22/1568275/most-in-us-want-to-keep-the-new.html#ixzz16zdQMmV5

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If those cuts are such great job stimulators, unemployment is at nearly 10 percent with the cuts currently in place? Your soon to be bone headed Majority leader is engaging in influence peddling, which is in conflict with what the American people are saying.

The Boner needs to clean his ears out.

Also, Nigeria has Interpol extraditing Dick Cheney. Goody, Goody, love to see him create hell in a cell!!!

Aaron, do you really think they will hire more people if taxes go up for them?

Basic economics teaches you that unless you make a certain percentage in profit, to cover overhead and the like, your business will go bankrupt. When the fixed costs go up, and taxes are considered a fixed cost to a certain extent, that means that your profit margin goes down as there are only so many dollars to go around.

For many S-type corporations, that extra 3-4% in taxes will drive them under. How many businesses will end up having to close their doors because they cannot afford the additional taxes because they are barely hanging on in this economy? How many have closed their doors already?

This will ripple through the economy and make it even worse. As businesses go under, you can expect commercial properties to lose renters, unemployment to increase, and forclosures to increase.

This is the end result of a tax increase, which this is by definition, as taxes will rise.

Why can't Pelosi try to use some common sense (something she seems to be lacking) and stop the procedural nonsense. All it's doing is making her look like a spoiled brat who throws a temper tantrum whenever she doesn't get her way.

A better proposal - Why doesn't Congress PROVE they can cut spending BEFORE they try to raise taxes? If you think that this Congress will do anything other than blow the additional monies on nonsense, then I would suggest that you are lacking in common sense as well.

wakeup-1950437

Way to show your ignorance! Rupert Murdock is a well known Liberal! YDA!

He just happens to know how to make money and doesn't care what you or I think.

The Republicans have said all along that they want the Bush tax cuts extended for EVERYONE! Obamster and his cronies want to keep the hate spewing from the brain dead by creating class warfare. Way to fall for that!

Republicans know Obama wants class warfare. It's what they do to keep the brain dead from seeing what they are really doing. This is a last ditch effort to create a new global world...a New World Order, led by Socialists where no one will want to excell, because there will be no incentive!

Norm 903 - are you insane??? Where do you get 97% NON-PAYING population???? We all pay but the tax cuts (we still pay taxes) would continue for the 98% who don't make $250,000. Is that clear for you????

Tammy - not true. None of what you say is true. Part of Obama's proposal is that there will be tax incentives for those companies that add jobs. Plus, he had a great plan to give significant tax incentives to companies which brought jobs back from overseas. Sadly, the Republicans blocked that plan.

Geralyn - okay, that would be 98% of the Republicans.

Your're really going to call him arrogant? Wow! I would say it's Pelosi being arrogant here scheduling a vote when the President is still negotiating terms with the Republicans. This is nothing more than a stunt by Pelosi and the ultra left to make the Republicans look bad. Why not wait to have a vote on this once Obama has completed his negotiations with congressional leaders and the bipartisan comission he assignd to negotiate regarding this very topic?

STLMIke

So--Pelosi doing what she was voted in to do is arrogant? And I am assuming here that you think OBAMA is also arrogant for thinking he is the President?

This is NOT a stunt -- What the STUNT truly is ---

The Republicans/Neo-Con/Teapartiers/Religious Right or whatever they are this week, thinking that they can stomp their feet, hold their breath, have a tantrum because they do not like the outcome of the NOVEMBER 2008 election. They have been on this STUNT for 2 years. And have been filibustering everything for 4.

It was your Republicans/Neo-Con/Teapartiers/Religious Right or whatever they are this week, that made the SUPER MAJORITY RULE while they had it, because they knew they were losing it and it the ONLY STUNT that they could come up with to ensure the

NOTHING GETS DONE UNLESS IT IS DONE THE Republicans/Neo-Con/Teapartiers/Religious Right or whatever they are this week WAY.

Geessh! What sorry people they really really are.

STLMike, that would be President Obama to you for starters. Speaker Pelosi is doing her job that she still holds til January 3rd 2011. Is it only arrogant when she is doing her job?

Your party is sure in a hurry to be in charge. One can only hope they have some good plans to help ALL of us and not just your party's wealthy benefactors. Something tells me we will be hoping in vain, good thing we get to vote again in two years.

Amen. Bethany!!!!!!

STL,

Demanding that a party gets everything they want or they refuse to do anything else is hardly negotiating.

And this constant refrain of we don't have time to do much might just be an indication that the right has reading comprehension problems. DADT, START, DREAM all being delayed because the Republicans say they have not had enough time to read and understand them. I'm sure there are classes they can take to help. Even a gorilla can do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfkWBlaCmgM

Everyone knows that babies at the age of 2 say NO to everyone and refuse to cooperate! Past that age we must all learn to cooperate. Saying no to everything is not governance. I think a wise solution would be to raise the " middle class" cut off to 1 million or 1.2. The small business people, professionals and farmers would get a break and the billionaires, who have the money, would pay their fair share and help balance the budget. To those whom much is given, much is expected!

Why arn't the tea party people up in ARMS and threatening 2 nd amendment solutions to these republicans wanting to pass a tax cut when we have a multi-Trillion dollar deficit?

What gives????

Demanding that a party gets everything they want or they refuse to do anything else is hardly negotiating.

Sounds like the last 2 yrs to me. The only difference is it's done without name calling and race baiting.

So--Pelosi doing what she was voted in to do is arrogant? And I am assuming here that you think OBAMA is also arrogant for thinking he is the President?

Perhaps you should read the comment again. You're putting words in mouths. Pelosi called for a vote and bypassed Obama's attempt to work across the aisle. She was not voted in to do that.

STLMike, that would be President Obama to you for starters.

Because the left always used President Bush? Do you even read the comments in here?

One can only hope they have some good plans to help ALL of us and not just your party's wealthy benefactors.

I could care less about the rich. It's the employers that don't need another reason to avoid hiring or expense to prevent it that I'm worried about.

vwterry -

Considering that this is what the democrats have been doing for the past twoyears, perhaps you can begin to see why the conservatives are so fed up with Reid, Pelosi, and Obama and their antics. You only have to look at the way the health 'care' reforn (that isn't) was passed to see that this was the democrat 'modus operendi'.

As for reading problems - Why is it that the democrats had to pass the bills they passed without reading them to know what was in them (to paraphrase Pelosi). Methinks thou doth protest too much (to quote Shakespeare).

Tammy,

All of those issues have been around and open for discussion for a long time. DADT has been an ongoing story since the Republican primaries, START has been available for Senate study since April 8, 2010, and DREAM for over a year.

You conveniently miss-paraphrased (probably not a real word) what she said. The quote is "But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." What she said, albeit somewhat confusingly, was following passage the general public will have the opportunity to read and understand the law without having to listen to the lies about "Death Panels" etc. and know what is really in it. I can select chosen words from anyone's quotes to say many unintended things and call them "paraphrase" but that won't make it correct.

What negotiating? The very next day the republicans are up to thier old tricks, No to everything unless they get their tax break. I say let em expire. We got 2 unfunded wars and an unfunded medicare prescription plan to pay for as well as the fiasco brought about by republican deregulation of banking, that is destroying our economy. Republicans, put YOUR money where your mouth is, and just let the tax breaks expire. so we can pay for YOUR MESS!

STLMIke

"to make the Republicans look bad"

They don't need any help with that.

Do you really think that you (the worker) pays into unemployment insurance?

You are wrong, the employer the business owners that you want to deny a continuation of existing tax rates to is the one who pays the money into the UEI funds (state and federal), but the worker pays nothing get your facts straight please.

@Robert Why continue a tax policy (36%) that clearly isnt working? We have been losing jobs since 07 its three years later what gives? Just a question

Aaron387, why continue a spending policy that isnt' working. Overspending under Bush didn't work. Why do you think overspending by Obama will work?

stlmike for your information without the stimulus spending the depression that would have occurred would have made the great depression look small

All of the bankers and money people were terrified and one other little thing Bush was president when the tarp bill was passed

Robert in Ohio

you are sooooooo wrong ! employees pay into the unemployment as well as the employer Check you facts before you open your mouth.

what policy mike? extending benefits to those who are jobless? yea im for that lest spend...HCR is PAID for ....TARP all but 25 billion has been paid for...GM is back in bizness..so what spending spree? Thats what happends when you lets banks get to the size of small countries and are tied in with the economy,,YOU HAVE TO BAIL THEM OUT LIKE A SON IN JAIL!

But Danno, they only pay enough to cover benefits for 6 months. After that the government is supporting you, just like you were on welfare - only you get a whole lot more money.

If there were jobs to be had, we wouldn't have to worry about this, now would we?

Danno,

You are wrong. Unemployment compensation insurance funding is paid into by employERS. There is no state in the Union where employEES pay into this fund.

werinasadstate

You are correct! (see I can agree with you) but to say that the employee doesn't pay at all is incorrect.

Here's his orginal post:

"Do you really think that you (the worker) pays into unemployment insurance?

You are wrong, the employer the business owners that you want to deny a continuation of existing tax rates to is the one who pays the money into the UEI funds (state and federal), but the worker pays nothing get your facts straight please."

Not to mention that the "wealthy" don't spend their money on American goods. Do you think they are driving Fords and Chevys? No, they are driving BMW, Mercedes and Lexus to name a few. They take vacations in foreign countries and fill their houses with expensive foreign goods. Then, to add insult to injury, they ship American jobs overseas while complaining that the American work force is too expensive. Trickle down theory... my butt! I say, tax 'em!

Robert,

The employees in most companies pay all the bills for a company. Very few business owners with the exception of one or two man operations are on the front line of production. The owners are the ones who create the opportunity and infrastructure for employees to work, produce and sell. So to calculate the cost of goods and services needed to sustain a business, all cost are factored and a realistic wage scale is created for that individual company.

There must be jobs to be had, with all the illegals swimming,climbing fences, and crossing unbearable deserts to get here. I think some people believe they are above doing a job they feel is beneath them.

As soon as you purchase one gallon of gas you have paid federal taxes. EVERYONE pays federal taxes including illegal immigrants. 18 cents for every gallon you purchase to be exact. Go back to school and learn something.

Ridiculous response.

You are perfectly aware that the previous post referred to federal income taxes and not ancillary taxes like the federal gas tax

Grow up

I get your point. What 47% doesnt pay taxes ? thats impossible if you recieve a W-2 your legally obligated to pay federal taxes . How can Wesley Snipes (millionaire ) go to jail for tax evasion but not half the country? (47%).....

oh yea i forgot he's black !!!

pPeaking of dishonest talking points- just how many of those 47% that don't pay taxes earn MUCH MORE than the lower income people we all ASSUME this talking point refers to?? i.e.- those that utilize shelters, write-offs, loopholes, offshore accounts, etc etc etc

And no, I can't type to save my ass....

Aaron ......... westly has to go to prison bur rangle and geithner dont,and thier suppose to be an example to the american people but because they are democratic and freinds with crack head obama and qwueen pisalosi mthey get a slap on the wrist how is that fair.

Aaron387

Ridiculous response.

You are perfectly aware that the post referred to net taxes paid after filing a return and receiving money back in a refund.

Grow up

Hey man dont get me started on "Tim Geithner " mister I was on wall street when the whole derivitive scam was going on now im advising the president on money matters. gimmie a break! Snipes in jail but rangle forgot to pay his taxes and DeLay is innocent!

The top 10% are already paying 70% of the taxes. Where the "created equal" in that?

Well bsd, since they control 85% of the wealth it should be obvious that they aren't equal -- they're treated preferentially.

Aaron387

delay is innocent

NEWS FLASH!!! No he is NOT! A court of law - and you seem to like to throw it around here - totally disagreed with you.

kerby just because a person fails to make enough money on their part time jobs don't mean that they don't pay taxes

don

t forget SStax medicare tax Gas tax sales tax and taxes on all phones electric bills water bill and it goes on and on

Well let's see, If I don't have any income, you can't tax me. Your 47% number is those who either don't have income or are below the poverty line. you can't get blood out of a turnup.

HA HA @ BETHANY I was being sarcastic! We all know DeLay is crooked as they come. But check this out , he says the conviction is political! ha ha ha

kirby in idaho

So the usual suspects decry AND misstate what Boehner said. He said the process was "chicken crap" and like so many of the other things the dem congress did it is just exactly that.

Until the 47% of the people that don't pay federal taxes join the party then why should the higher earners pay more?

Tea Bagger lament about the 47% is not common sense.

People who don't pay federal income taxes still pay other taxes, including federal payroll taxes that fund Social Security and Medicare, which which revenues go to the U.S. Treasury. They pay excise taxes on gasoline, aviation, alcohol and cigarettes. Many also pay state or local taxes on sales, income and property.

You do know Exxon paid no taxes to the U.S. That's not a fair share

Kirby in Idaho Robert in Ohio,

I couldn't read your meaning into your remarks. The word "payroll" was nowhere to be found on your tax rant. Hard to ask an illeterate person to be literal and state exactly what they mean. I apolgize for my shortcoming. No sixth sense here. In your view I guess all these major corporation who paid no federal taxes last year should also be ridiculed and belittled. How 'bout Ohio and Idaho, both states take more federal money than they give which makes them welfare states. I guess your home states should also be ridiculed and belittled. I'm with you on that! Happy Holidays!

Aaron387--MY BAD!!

It is really hard to read sarcasm! And I guess I got flabbergasted by the Delay is innocent comment.

The House Republicans, including Mr Boehner, intend to vote to extend the current tax rates for everyone in the United States.

Once and for all can we quit saying TAX CUTS --- we are talking about extending current rates so that taxes do not rise not cutting taxes.

we cant afford it for everyone! beside what is 3 percentage points to millionaires and billionaires? 36%-39% come on is that too much to ask. I cant afford 3 points because Im already hammered in states taxes. The rich can absorb loss better than most. Im not saying we should take their money but if their countrymen who are law abiding citizens need tax releif shouldnt it go to them??? Aint this America?

Aaron

We probably really can't afford to extend any of the tax rates, but no one seems to have a problem with the $3.3 Trillion over 10 years in lost income which is the cost of extension of the tax rates for those earning under $250K. Makes $700 Billion seem a lot smaller when you say $3.3 Trillion doesn't it.

I spent a long career working for a small business owner and believe me 3% make a lot of difference to him in decisions of expansion or hiring. I worked in finance and accounting and we looked at the nominal and actual tax rates very closely when we planned such things.

Maybe we should extend none of them or extend all of them for two years and see where the economy is then

What do you think?

Aaron ...............250 000 does not make a millionaire,ya need to get your head out of your a77es and pay attention. thats why the american people sent the dems running in nov. Why not make the tax cuts extented for those makeing up to a million dollars anyone makeing a million dollar can afford the taxes, and that want want make every small buss. in town lay people off or not hire any extra help.

Robert - the problem with comparing 700 Billion and 3.3 Trillion is that 700 is much larger than 3.3 and that is what people hear. The better comparison is 700 Billion versus 3,300 Billion.

@ Rob in Ohio I agree with your post a bit. I think we really need to sit back and see if we can afford these rates staying the same. America is sick and just want her back in good health because its good for us all rich or middle class or poor.@ Carlyss man never said 250,000 was rich dude Obama did. Im just in favor of letting the rates expire for "wealthy" folk Im not a tax consultant so I wouldnt know. Maybe your right lets call a spade a spade and up the limit to 1 million dollars. If I was a lawmaker I would compromise to this limit. Small business are the ones who create jobs but the middle class are the ones who consume. How can one spend if he doesnt have money to spend because of high taxes? Small business wont need to hire because they will be shuttered. What do u think?

from each according to capability, to each according to need, eh comrade? That doesnt work out too well ya know?

Republicans - from each according to his/her ability to the rich.

Let the temporary Bush Tax Cuts expire. They have not helped our country or produced any new jobs. Stop trying to fool yourselves and others. We need to start paying our way and not expect our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren to clean up our mess. It's time to grow up and be responsible.

Robert in Ohio

I say let them ALL expire and pay down the debt.!

Here! Here! This debt is not a partisan issue or a rich/poor issue... anymore! This is an American issue and we all owe it to our children and grandchildren to pay it down!

I am sooooooo tired of the bs argument about personal income taxes effecting small businesses. Small business owners businesses are generally not effected by personal income taxes unless the owners are co-mingling personal money with their business assets--something that typically is considered horrible business practice and will get you a huge red flag by the IRS.

The Bush Tax Cuts do affect small businesses. It is more than just personal income taxes. Partners in business invest their own money. Not only is there a business tax form, there is a personal one as well. They are not comingling money. Investors invest in certain businesses in order to make a profit, they are also taxed on what they make.

obama did not help by addind 4 trillion more to the debt while all the while being told what he was doing to our children and grandchildren,if the replublican and twenty or more dems give in to what obama and pisalot about no tax cuts for 250.000 or more then I know our city is in troublr because anybody that has three or more emp[loyees make that much and I still want to know why charlie Rangle should not have to go to prison, stupidity is no excuse for the law.

Laura...Again, pretty much bs. Money that is invested into a company is by definition, business money and not personal income. Investors do not get taxed on what they invest, only on what they personally profit from that investment. In fact, if they lose money, much of their investment is deductable. Also, if that money was going into hiring, then it would usually be considered a business expense and would be deductable. By the way, 75% of small business owners make less than 250,000 dollars in personal income, so they are exempt anyway, so we are talking about 25% of small business owners... again, if they want to pay less in taxes, they could just collect a slightly lower paycheck and invest more in their company. I got to believe that most employers would gladly pay that extra 3% if they could even sniff 250,000 in income.

Mr Boehner is speaking of the process employed by the Democrats and not to the merits of extending the lower tax rate for the middle class; he, as you should likely be aware, wants to extend the rates for everyone in the United States.

But it is easier to attack those across the aisle rather then try and work with them and compromise (which means giving a little to get a little in case you didn't know as Nancy does not)

Give a little? Oh you mean like how Big business gave a few jobs to China?

Aaron

Not exactly what we were talking about, but to your point off shoring of positions and facilities from the US to Mexico, China and other places has taken place because we have done little to make it attractive and profitable for US businesses to expand within our borders (increasing health care costs, unions, government regulations, etc).

Right now the uncertainty about healthcare costs in the out years and these tax rates have kept many small medium and large businesses from expanding operations in the US.

Okay Robert, I'll give you that one. After rereading the article, it appears he was attacking the "procedure."

However, give and take goes both ways, and you will probably disagree with me, but from where I stand, the Republicans have not given one inch. It's either their way or the highway. They have continually negotiated in bad faith. They say they're willing to work with the President and the next thing you know, well, not until we (Republicans) get what we want. There is no give-and-take so maybe that is why I was so quick to jump.

Having said that, I still do not see why a vote cannot be taken on extending tax cuts for the middle class first. The top 2 percent have been reaping the rewards for the past ten years. Fair is fair.

Joi G

The vote was taken and went the Democrats way as it had to, now the bill will never come to a vote in Senate and the rates for all will go up on January 1, 2011.

The Republicans will then pass a reinstatement of the rates for everyone.

I guess Nancy showed the Democrats this time

Hey Rob Congress can start by lowering the Corporate tax rate to a reasonable one. But I also think some companies offshore because of the temptation of cheap labor. Its all about the bottom line with some of these US companies. I agree we should make it attractive for them to invest here but we should also change some of policys toward business. Sometimes they are not in the average joe's favor

" ... But it is easier to attack those across the aisle rather then try and work with them and compromise ... "

You Republicans do love that word "compromise". As long as it's the Democrats that are the ones doing it. When was the last time the Republicans in Congress "compromised"?

What was the last bill, appointment, that the Republicans DIDN'T filibuster? We don't know how many time they have in the 111th Congress, but we do know that is was 124 times in the 110th Congress. More then the total of the 108th and the 109th Congresses.

And let's take a look and see how ready Republicans were to "compromise". Shall we? It was ether in the 109th or the 108th Congress that the term "Nuclear Option" was used. It refered to the blowing up of the filibuster by the Republicans that said that the Democrats were using to keep Congress from doing it's job. And it was only used about 100 times in both the 108th and 109th Congresses. Total. By BOTH parties.

So who was/is it that is not compromising? Who is it that sent a letter to the leadership of the other side, stating that NOTHING would get done? And it was signed by all of that parties members? All 46(?) of them? That would be a minority by the way. And how is that "compromise"? Until a $700 BILLION tax "extension" was given to the top 2-3% of Americans?

A tax "extension" that won't be paid for. That would add $3.3 TRILLION total to the debt. But they sure did stop a much, much smaller amount in another bill from being voted on. Why? Because it wasn't paid for. A bill that would have helped 9 - 10% of the country. It's actually a much larger number then that. That's just the number of unemployed. Then there are the families of the unemployed that would have been helped too. How is that "compromise"?

But these tax "extensions" for the top 2-3% will help create jobs! How many jobs were created by it in the last 6-10 years? Where are the jobs that this tax cut created? Where? There were none. We in fact lost millions of jobs during this time frame. Millions. And during this time, the rich got richer and the rest got .... ? Pink slips, and poorer, and lost houses and health insurance. All thru no fault of their own. How is that "compromise"?

" ... work with them and compromise ... " Like Republicans know the meaning of these words. Other then that it's the Democrats NOT doing them. It was if you will remember, and be wiling to admit it, Mr. Boehner that stood up in Congress and yelled "HELL NO" to compromise.

"Compormise". Republicans. Yea, right.

Top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. How is that not more than their "fair share."

It isn't, bsd. The top 10% control 85% of wealth so obviously they aren't paying their fair share.

Glad I could explain it for you.

John,

How is the 'control of the wealth' a reason to penalize the earner? Oh, back to BHO's redistributing wealth thing...my bad; continue with your chicken sh*t argument!

Glad I could see through your deception...

Liberals...hmpff!

Amen John...Would rather have the issue of being in the top 10% rather than the lower 90%. I've never understood people that come on here and defend the top 10%. Believe me, they don't need it. It's one thing to defend your party, but something else entirely when you're defending mega rich people.

Top 2% have mulit million dollar homes, Bentleys (multiple), $200,000 bathtubs, summer homes (multi million dollar), take fantastic vacations we could only dream of, send their kids to the best private schools and universities....All the things the 98% can only dream of.

Good for them, I'm happy they have the wealth they do, but let's be honest here, few of them have suffered they way most Americans have. Coming up short on food, utilities, money for their kids clothing and even health care and medication, not to mention wanting to send their children to a decent school.

You see, these rich people have circles...and you and I are not invited. Those that defend them are like the Igors....yes master....

As they say, it is easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to make it into heaven.

" ... Top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. How is that not more than their "fair share." ... "

Ok, you're right, how is that their fair share? Lets just take a look at "fair shares".

According to the same source that these numbers came from, also came the numbers that state that the top 10% earned, and I use that word loosely, 90% of the money. They earned 90% of the money, but only paid 70% of the taxes? How IS that their "fair share"?

And in the spirit of "compromise". Let's say that they only have to take a 10% increase to their taxes? Up to only paying 80% of the taxes? I think that is a "compromise" that the 90% of the rest of us could live with.

So which "compromise" would you prefer? My suggested 10%? Or letting the "Bush" tax cuts for the "rich" expire. And only add back 3%?

Indie Woman in Denver

Most of the "higher earners" do not pay their share of taxes today -- they can afford to find all the shelters & loopholes, so why do they need to extend the lower rates? It's just greed, big, fat, and ugly greed.

Thank you Indie Woman

The rich will save their tax cuts as well as put hundreds of millions of dollars in off shore tropical tax haven accounts like in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying federal Medicare and Social Security taxes. These types of tax havens hire workers through shell companies.

More than 21,000 people working for Dick Cheney's KBR in Iraq - including about 10,500 Americans - are listed as employees of two companies that exist in a computer file on the fourth floor of a building on a palm-studded boulevard here in the Caribbean. Neither company has an office or phone number in the Cayman Islands. It's speculated that the office in the Cayman Islands must be "the size of a jail cell- with only a desk and chair!

I can't wait until Cheney gets extradited to Nigeria for his crimes.

They avoid federal taxation in places like Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda , Aruba, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Dominica, Gibraltar, Grenada, Guernsey / Sark / Alderney, Hong Kong, Isle of Man, Jersey, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Nauru, Netherlands Antilles, Panama, Samoa, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Singapore, Switzerland, Turks and Caicos, Vanuatu.

Even warren Buffett, chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway, expressed support for ending the Bush-era tax cuts for households making more than $250,000. And the Patriotic Millionaires"sent a letter addressed to President Obama stating …."During our nation's moment of need, we are eager to do our fair share."

This scheme reduces corporate income taxes, NOT payroll taxes.

What do you think about them not paying even 47% of their taxes Kirby?

The rich are upset about the middle class keeping their tax rate and the tax rate for the rich go up. The current rate for the rich is about 36%.under bill clinton it was about 39.3% if im not mistaken. I really dont see how three points is going to be the "biggest tax increase in history" if they originally were 39%.

Oh and by the way that tax cut bush gave everyone was NOT paid for!

Retired Military,

I believe that is exactly the point we are trying to make. For some reason, those on the right do not understand that concept.

Its about keeping control of what you earned. Its called a Principle. The failures have no business telling the successful people what to do. If the failures knew a better way, they wouldnt be failures. You cant base a succesfull country on the ideas of the failures.

Life isn't an Ayn Rand novel, bsd. If you think it is go off, found your own country, and show us all how it's done.

Dear Retired Military:

The REAL problem is that none of this is PAID for, it's all borrowed from China, That's the tax cuts and the unemployment comp.

The question is which one is worthy of consideration, people who don't have a job (through no fault of their oun) because the republicans deregulated the financial industry to the point that the market crashed or do we give a tax cut to the richest 2% in the hope they will create jobs even though they are the ones who profited from the crash.

Your thoughts would be welcome.

So BS detector, since we're not rich, we're losers? Wow.

Way to make an arguement on behalf of rich folks everywhere. I'm sure they'd love to support you in a public speech supporting their need for this tax cut extension. You could read right off of your comments.....

bs detector, Your absolutely right and it is as black and white as you can get, but most of the people on here don't care about principle or success an failure, the only thing they care about are entitlements.

I feel it doesn't matter what taxes are cut now because they are going to have raise them soon just to bail out California. " California... Now there's a shining example of the liberal entitlement programs."

Worked all my life and never used any entitlements, that being said, just let the tax cuts expire due to republican obstructionism, and we will see who pays in 2012. I can afford to pay more taxes.

I'm a small biz owner. My company is in its 51st year, barely, I might add. As a very small biz owner in a niche business, I've had the heavy burden of trying to make sure the bills get paid as well as my employees. I'm proud to say that my products are made in America using very little from overseas. We have always paid our taxes and I'm mad as hell that the so called American institutions like the US Chamber of Commerce so obviously supported the off-shoring of jobs for so long. Their continued support of anything republican makes me sick! To say that its OK to set up factories overseas because health care costs and taxes are "forcing" them to locate there is pure lunacy. It's all about how much more profit a big corporation can squeeze out of its customers by cutting costs that drives their actions. I'm mad as heck that the middle class (including small biz owners like myself) are being held hostage by John Boehner and Mitch McConnell. To state that small business owners would be hurt if the tax rates are raised back to previous levels is just patently untrue. John Boehner..you want to help Americans??? How about you levy higher taxes on large corporations that use overseas labor? And while your at it, why don't you hit foreign companies with tariffs to put US mfg'ers on equal footing? Or would that put you (JB) in trouble with your mega-contributors? I don't want to hear anybody tell me how the republicans care about the average guy because its untrue! I've worked damn hard all my life and I'm sick of people telling me that because I don't earn over $250K..I'm lazy and I need to work harder.

" ... You cant base a succesfull country on the ideas of the failures. ... "

This country elected a failure. A failed business man. A man who failed several times, with several businesses. He was the 43rd(?) President of the United States of America. And his name is George W. Bush. And after all his business failures, he failed as President too.

This is not my opinion. This is fact. I am not stuck in the past. I am just reminding those with short, or selective memories. Reminding them of what has really happened and what their side is responsible for.

I'm not sure about oodles and oodles, but I'm sure that the people who work at the Dash stores and those that have a job because of the perfume business, would likely disagree with you....

minimum wage at best or outsourced and working for fruit rind...nice try I'm sure

This personal attack is so like the demonizing that the Democrats resort to at every opportunity when they don't get their way. Mr Boehner refers to the process not the tax cuts and it sounds like you have had a couple too many already today

Robert in Ohio:

Ignore, of course, the personal attacks flung at Democrats from right wingers every day. Rush, Glenn, etc., the whole lot of them lie and make up facts to fit their daily tirades, and none of the conservatives seem to have a problem with that.

It's a well known fact in D.C. that Boehner is one of the first to leave, and can usually be found at a neighborhood bar. Check it out if you don't believe it, Bing is your friend.

What's truly demonizing is Boehner's desire to extend tax cuts for millionaires, while holding up unemployment for those who have children to feed. Now that's some real humanity there. The people who vote for this man deserve what they get, the rest of us do not.

Nah robbie BoneHead is dead wrong on this one. Whats wrong with the dems putting this up for a vote? let the american people see whats really going on. I know the TPGOP want tax cuts for everyone but we just cant afford. So those that really need it should get it. Why should someone who makes 50 million a year be considered equal to someone who makes 50 thousand a year (financially). America needs to wake and vote ALL of these politicans out who dont have OUR interest at heart. Not special interest

Democrats always bring up Rush, Glenn Beck and Karl Rove but none of the lefties seem to have a problem with the trash thrown around by Olberman, Ed Schulz, Cenk, Matthews or the other crazies on MSNBC

As to Mr Boehner's personal life I have no interest and neither should you.

Robert in Ohio:

The difference between Olbermann and the right wingers is that Olbermann actually tells the truth. I have fact-checked him, and if he makes a mistake he corrects it on air. The others? No corrections.

My interest in Boehner's personal life is limited to the fact that he will be in line to run this country if a disaster happens. For that reason, his drinking issues are of interest to me, as are his ethical issues (handing out checks on the House floor before a vote on the industry the checks are from.)

"Conservatives" as they call themselves are the ones spreading the lies and misinformation. And apparently the Kool-Aid drinkers will believe what they're told all the way to the poor house.

America deserves better.

Bet you were really interested in that cigar of Bill's, weren't you?

...and once again right on cue, the "MSNBC is the same as Fox/Rush" false equivalency crap. Tell you what Robert, you make a list of "trash" as long as the stuff documented on websites like Media Matters and I'll kiss your...hat.

Olberman, Maddow and Schulz are no more objective news professionals then are Hannity, Beck, or Rush and it is time that the left wing liberals admit it.

I listen to MSNBC more then I do to FOX and some Joe Scarborough, Ratigan, Chris Matthews and Smanatha make an effort to be fair just as Shepard Smith, Brett Baier and some of the others on FOX do.

I am an independent and enjoy the banter and aggressive proferring of ideas from both sides but neither is totally objective as you would like me to believe that MSNBC is

Wrong - MSNBC likes to exagerate but they dont flat out lie and Fox News flat out lies whenever it serves them. Their excuse is that its "commentary". To say that Fox News is in any way objective is like saying that Rush Limbaugh is not a racist.

john in ohio who is Samantha? if you really watched you would know better and I won't tell you so you must watch at eight Central to learn the Lady's name

Robert in Ohio:

If you really believe that Olberman, Maddow and Schulz are no more objective news professionals then are Hannity, Beck, or Rush, you aren't paying attention. At all.

Seriously. WTF?

The last two years with this government, president, and eyebatting by our people in power now have made me want to drink.

better to drink than to be a crackhead weak president al crack heads are weak they will do anything for thier next hit and obama is proveing that.

Your azz will not be standing in a damn soup line. Stop with all of the exaggerating. If you can afford to be on the internet all day whining, you are not hungry.

Were almost there buddy just watch. Chalk could be on the "internet" at the library ever think of that? Oh i forgot your from "Texas" my bad..tell Gov Perry i said whats up!

Aaron387, you're really trying to upset ITM......

He's been very touchy (no feely) the last coupla' days.....

He's been very touchy (no feely) the last coupla' days.....

My guess is all his sh!t talk has left him constipated! ;0)

Feisty Redhead, I'm glad that there is some sense of humor in this blog! Its funny, and it really takes some steam of my head when reading and trying to make sense of what these right wing idiots are tryi g to spew out of their lower end.

Its funny, and it really takes some steam of my head when reading and trying to make sense of what these right wing idiots are tryi g to spew out of their lower end.

Without the laughs, reading their crap would be down right PAINFUL! It's already stinky! ;0)

Have a GREAT night!

Seriously. I really am getting sick and tired of hearing idiots like Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, Gingrich and Graham waste everyone's time and money from taxpayer-paid-salaries by making asinine extremist remarks and talking about theories that don't work.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support the cacamamie theory that tax cuts for "entrepreneurs"(rich people) help create jobs. If anything, they reduce them, with money that could've been taken from these fat cats and gone instead to useful infrastructure projects.

There are no words to describe how annoyingly stupid this #$%&'n ignoramus is.

Billie,

Nice Idea, but it won't happen, He's from Tenn. remember in a solid republican district will never happen!

??? Boehner is from Ohio - I'm ashamed to say.

Do you even have a clue ? He called the Democrats maneuver "chicken crap" not the middle class. Try reading the article before posting, not just the headline. Although who would of ever thought a MSNBS headline would be slanted towards the left. He never opposed the tax cut for the middle class, so what the hell are you people talking about. He is only opposed to a political maneuver being made by the Democrats. This is politics people, not any kind of hatred or dislike for the middle class. In the bill that Boehner supports the middle class will still get their tax breaks. Lets not let fact get in the way here, continue with your mindless babble. Also if you are going to make a point by referring to where someone is from, try to at least get it right.

Again, nice idea, but it won't happen !