Who didn't see this coming?
As we predicted would happen in this space, some Republicans are blaming the Tea Party for not picking up more seats in the Senate. Tea Party candidates perhaps cost the party seats in Nevada, Delaware, and maybe even Colorado (and that race is too close to call.)
Republicans are currently +6 in the Senate, with calls still to be made in Colorado and Washington state. If Sue Lowden was the nominee in Nevada, Jane Norton in Colorado and Mike Castle in Delaware, Republicans would have likely been at +9. That would give you a 50-50 Senate.
Then -- here's something to chew on -- what would the possibility have been maybe of a Ben Nelson (D-NE) pulling a Jim Jeffords and switching parties -- giving Republicans control of both the House and Senate?
It was a great night for Republicans, but it could have been even better. The GOP is counting off victories and celebrating gains in even the most unlikely of House races, but a top Republican strategist admits tea party candidates’ “deficiencies” that became “glaringly clear” may have cost the party multiple Senate seats.


Madam Palin: Are you going to take that? They should be LUCKY to have you as a member of the Republican Party. You will fire up the base in 2012. I know I will contribute to your campaign.
Pat, Boston, MA
Madam Palin: Are you going to take that? They should be LUCKY to have you as a member of the Republican Party. You will fire up the base in 2012. I know I will contribute to your campaign
She's too stupid to realize just how ineffectual she is. youbetcha!
I'm glad we still have our governors. You have Patrick and we got Quinn.
ps. I rather see Ben Nelson voted out like Blanche Lincoln.
True confession time girls...
I was GLAD to see Blanche go down last night...
If you run as a Democrat then you damn well need to be a PROUD Democrat!
Lots of "PROUD" Democrats looking for work today. Maybe Obama can make them all czars.
Beverly,
There hasn't been a winner declared in the Illinois Gov Race. Yet you lie and say that Quinn has been elected. There is going to be a recount which both candidates have agreed to.
JoAnnaSmith1
Lots of "PROUD" Democrats looking for work today. Maybe Obama can make them all czars
LOL! Great!
In MA, only republicans lost. Scott Brown will follow in 2 years.
And grats to Harry Reid, Chris Coons, and Michael Bennett !!!
Less than 24 hours...the in fighting begins. How will they ever govern?
We have seen them govern... people really are happy to bury their memories of W, aren't they?
Hopefully the in-fighting continues, because the Repubs had the job 2 years ago, and they sucked at it. How easily people forget.
wokah - repugnants do not know how to govern, the rich only know how to work the rest of us to death to get richer.
Heads up to Nancy Pelosi and company, caucus with the teabaggers, compromise to agree to vote for some of their ideas and elect one of their candidates as speaker - wouldn't that make old bonehead shed real tears today? Lovely, it would be just lovely!
Git up on them haunches, hottie. GIve 'em hell, Hairy one. Just picture the Republicans as the 'lame-stream' media, and whup 'em sensless. (you DO know all about sensless, don't you?)
Last night was painful, but holding onto the Senate was quite the soothing balm.
Looks like the Tea Party helped both Parties last night.
You can't always get what you want.
But if you try, sometimes you get what you need.
Anyway, in retrospect I now think Harry Reid would have won no matter what.
And Castle was probably more of a threat to change parties than Nelson. He was half-Republican at best.
Mostly, I think we all know that taking the Senate was never really in the cards.
But anything to scratch out a "gotcha" against the party that wasn't a party.
Sarah Palin knows better than anyone what goes on in her world, Pat. She'll be O-tay!
It's all about perspective, Mr. Montanaro-
I'm sure there will be some carping among Republicans about the Tea Party candidates involved in doomed Senate races.
But...keep your eye on the ball.
The real story here is the historic loss of more than 60 Democratic House seats...
Tell us what prominent DEMOCRATS have to say about that, Dom.
Are you picking up any chatter along those lines?
Ha, Democrats are not happy -- to say the least.
Less than 24 hours...the liberal media kicks in trying to stir up dissension.
The Tea Party helped win what will in the end be 65 House seats. Incredible.
If GOP nominated just wishy washy moderates for Senate in Delaware and Nevada, there is no guarantee they would win, either.
Fresh faces (and Palin supported) Senate candidates like Rand Paul and Ron Johnson and Marco Rubio were told they were too 'extreme', but guess what? They won!
Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle werent ready for prime time, bad choices, granted.
Bob-1887910
"Less than 24 hours...the liberal media kicks in trying to stir up dissension."
Yeah- who do they think they are, Fox??
Yawn.. MSNBC needs a story so they Claim "Some Republicans".. Go figure.. Name some names. Tell us who they are.. instead of creating a Story. .. Shameless..
Contrary to what the Authors of this Story think. We are happy with the Gains we got . we wish we could have got more. but we aren't Blaming Anyone for what we didnt win..
Unlike the Democrats that did nothing but Blame the last 2 years.. ..
Steve, please go take a nap and come back when you're rested.
I agree, Steve. Very happy to know the republicans have narrowed the democratic majority enough to matter. Sure, it might result in gridlock, but what the heck, if nothing passes, we aren't spending money at a breakneck pace. That's a victory all by itself.
So, just who are these "Some Republicans" you speak about? And what exactly did "they" say?
Not having well sourced stories is not very becoming.
:-) I approve this message...
JoAnnaSmith1
So, just who are these "Some Republicans" you speak about? And what exactly did "they" say?
who cares who said it, i told you joanna, that the tea party would going to be a bigger pain in the ass to the republicans than the democrats. the dems know that its about politics and giving and taking when your out numbered, but the tea party will screw everything up, due to what they promised everybody.
i can't want till HCR is not repealed but twicked, the republicans will be looking for votes to make changes, but the tea party will say NO, you told us you would repeal, i just can't wait for that.
i have a feeling the republicans will work hard to embrace the democrats, just so they don't beg to the tea party on important votes. !!!!!
So you don't mind un-sourced allegations? Let me guess, you just love People magazine, TMZ, and the New York Times.
You're just a regular Nostradamus.
Jeff is correct in his assessment. The 'establishment' GOP will be trying to tame the 'Tea Party' members and get them to fall in line. They are already trying to distance themselves from the 'head' of the Tea Party, Sarah Palin. They are tellign here to SHUT UP but Sarah is havng NONE of that.
For the Tea Party movement that has been HIJACKED by the GOP - this is what you get when thieves STEAL - a mess. You really should take your movement back.
It will be interesting to watch the GOP try to put the toothpaste back into the tube after it has been stepped on.
JoAnna - You might try clicking on the link before you leap to your "unsourced allegations":
"Top GOP strategist Carl Forti told reporters Wednesday that tea party candidates struggled in races where they faced greater public attention and scrutiny. He said he isn’t sure whether those “deficiencies” cost Republicans the Senate, “but we did leave seats on the table, definitely.”
Granted, I have no idea who Carl Forti is, either, but he does appear to be a "source". Our Domenico doesn't make this stuff up himself, you know.....
Gosh.. a guy on the street corner in some town somewhere said he was a Republican and said the Tea Party had kept the republicans from taking the Senate...AAAAhh and he is a republicna pondent!!! What NATIONAL Leader within the Republican PArty said any of this ... Boehner, McConnell, Steele???? No.. just some guy!. All I have heard from the National Republican figures is that they were enthused by the energy and support that the Tea Party brought back into the Republican Party. I had to laugh when I watched the Ed Show on MSNBC and he started cattawalling about how the Republicans were now only interested in impeaching Obama and for them to formally take that issue off the table! As John Stewart said at this rally on Saturday, " If you amplify everything, you will not be able to hear anything!" Thanks Ed.. you blowhard! ... Like others in this article, don't create a debate that just is not there. I am sure the new Tea Party winners that just got elected will be welcomed into the Republican ranks and I hope they keep their same push to limit government and reduce spending!
Agreed.
This was a midterm election for God sakes. Barack Obama is still the president today and nothing John Boehner, Mitch McConnell et.al can do to force him to repeal his legilastive accomplishments from this past congress. So, veto away Barack.
Furthermore, I will put my money on it that we will see frivolous after frivolous investigation. My favorite one will be a panel to prove that there is no Global Warning. Or how bout Sestack got offered a job?! exciting.
Lastly, I am thankful to the Tea Party. Without Sarah Palin and Jim Demint splitting the GOP, the GOP would have complete control of the senate today.
Alyson Peabody
Furthermore, I will put my money on it that we will see frivolous after frivolous investigation. My favorite one will be a panel to prove that there is no Global Warning. Or how bout Sestack got offered a job?! exciting.
The most ridiculous is to let Rush Screwballs see the President's birth certificate. Talk about crazy and not moving the country forward; in addition to a waste of time and Tax Dollars.
Leave it up to MSNBC to continue to write about something that no longer has any meaning or rational thinking. Please name you sources the next time. I for one am glad that the republicans did not gain control of the Senate, we can get control of the Senate in 2012 and also gain the White House and keep the house of representatives. Had the republicans took control of the house, Obama would have used his veto to block the republicans bills. The republicans have the house, and that is where the budgets and most bills originate. If the Senate don't go along, the republicans can still blame the democratic controlled senate and the white house. The republicans have enough votes to hold up any democratic policies that the American people don't want.
sfcret
I for one am glad that the republicans did not gain control of the Senate, we can get control of the Senate in 2012 and also gain the White House and keep the house of representatives. Had the republicans took control of the house, Obama would have used his veto to block the republicans bills.
WE?????
The Republicans aren't thinking about you.
Beverly in Chicago
sfcret
I for one am glad that the republicans did not gain control of the Senate, we can get control of the Senate in 2012 and also gain the White House and keep the house of representatives. Had the republicans took control of the house, Obama would have used his veto to block the republicans bills.
Bev its so wonderful that people like sfcret thinks that the republicans will get their way in the house. they do understand that when the dems were in control, they had the votes to do what ever they wanted, Bohner will have to bring people together in order to get any thing through. he has a 60 member lead and last time i checked, if they try and bring there typical bull SH*T up for vote it will be BOA. their are plenty of votes on the dems side to stop any Bull SH*t from ever getting out and on to the senate. they are already looking to 2012, if they don't do what the voters want and bring back jobs, they 2012 the balance of power will go back to the democrats.
sfcret-
You don't know much about the budget process, do you? The budget originates in the executive branch. It then goes to the legislative branch for reconciliation, meaning both the house and senate must agree on it. And just to make sure I understand your logic on the Senate, you're glad the Dems still have it because that means the Republicans don't really have to take responsibilty for legislating because they can simply blame the Dems when things don't get passed?
Jeff...
The president of the United states is not required to Submit a Budget..
Only the Congress..
Jeff, I know more about how the budget works than you do. The president can submit a budget but does not have to. It is up to congress to pass the annual budget. The house can pass a budget with a majority vote, which the republicans now have. The democrats control the senate and they can refuse to agree to passing the house approved budget. BTW the democrats have refused to even consider a budget for this FY, and the President didn't even submit one. And yes, the democratic controlled Senate will be blamed for not getting the house passed bills to the president.
Bev, the republicans were thinking about you and your lame a$$ liberals when they took Obama's old Senate seat. Obama couldn't even save his old seat nor most of the democratic candidates he campaigned for.
"Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle werent ready for prime time, bad choices, granted."
Are you SURE, BOb? I'd havge thoughtr it was that danged ol' liberal media. Hannity thinks so, too.
Seems Alvin Greene wasn't ready for prime time either, bad choice, granted.
Rory Reid - not ready for prime time either.
Ditto Giannoulias.
Ditto Sestak.
Ditto Denish, Robin Carnahan (sorry Clara).
Johnson in Wisconsin was apparently ready for primetime.
Seems like at least 66 Democrats weren't ready for primetime.
Jose Von Hussein: The market finished up. Asia liked it too. Means nothing.
Why am I talking like Rorschach in "The Watchmen"?
Shows that especially Demos are under a microscope do what the people want or lose your job. No matter what occurs if no legislation happens, I would rather nothing get done than bend over for the liberal agenda that is ruining our Country. The one thing that the Tea Party has brought back is conservatism to a lack luster party. We now know what the people want and it is jobs an economy that is not drowning our children in debt and the party of no is now the party of Go !!!! Go create jobs and make a balanced budget for once in our life time.
At the end of the day, it was not as bad as predicted for the democrats. Still, our course is clear…this is a call to action, financially, emotionally and in sweat equity. Let’s get started…. http://wp.me/pNmlT-wV
"...it was not as bad as predicted..."
Hmmm...
Well, I guess a few did predict the worst Democratic losses in the House in 70 years.
But...
I forgot.
Who exactly, was actually predicting that...?
Mixed Bag:
We all know that Democrats are irrepressible optimists when it comes to spinning their own situation.
This is democrat wishful thinking to say that the tea party cost republicians seats. Without them, dems would still have control of the house, and probably six additional senate seats.
The reality is that both reps and dems have both been lifetime members of the " let's keep this club private, and screw America " club, and both parties are shaking in their boots that the clubhouse is now open to the public.
The good news for pelosi is that finally one of her promises has come true; the swamp has been drained.
Amazing that now the president wants to work with the republicans. Last week he was saying that to work with him, they had to sit in the back of the bus. Looks like Boehner is going to be driving the bus.
I think the Tea Party was tailor made for the House of Representatives, but is very ill suited to the Senate.
The Tea Party seems to be full of energy and passion which will play well in the House, but the Senate is the more deliberative body...the more intellectual body.
Each vote in the Senate has more value than any 4 votes in the House so a Senator shouldn't be voting based on passion they should be voting based on careful consideration of the pros and cons.
In my opinion the Tea Party over reached in going after Senate seats. Some of their candidates won, but the nature of the Senate will subdue the passion and energy that drew the Tea Party to support them in the first place.
great news! The Democrats appear to hold control in the Senate. The Republicans have taken control of the house. Now they will have to work together to get something done about the economy. Had the Republicans taken both houses the The Democrats would be able to blame them in the next election cycle. the same Would be true if both were held by Democrats. It will be strange to see campaining based on the issues instead of pointing blame. I am going to enjoy the show for the next 2 years.
janet-489369
I didn't lie. Quinn was the projected winner this morning; but republicans lie daily.
She lost because she didn't 'go down' enough.
When President Johnson helped pass Civil Rights legislation in the 1960s he commented that: "Well, there goes the South." He meant, of course, that now the South would become Republican as they now saw the Democrats as the party standing up for the blacks.
Following the Civil War, the South defeated what little there was of Reconstruction when in a contested presidential election the Republicans under Hayes agreed to pull out Federal troops from the South in exchange for Hayes being president. After the troops wee gone, the whites took back any remaining outstanding power that blacks had and placed blacks in a new type of slavery: this one an economic slavery through the share-cropping system.
Southerners have traditionally dominated American politics to a greater extent than their proportional representation entitled them, because, although they were largely members of the Democratic party (because the South was poor), they could quickly shift their weight to the Republican party to pass conservative legislation or to block liberal legislation. They voted virtually as a block and this ability gave them legislative power. Southern Democrats were pretty solidly racist and voted to keep the racist system in place.
Following the Civil Rights legislation, the South temporarily lost some of its legislative power as its voters and politicians switched inexorably to the Republican party. This, of course, has made the Republican party even more conservative and racist than it had ever been following the death of Reconstruction.
The South also changed its religion. As the former Democratic South changed it allegiances in politics, so did it also start to change its allegiances in religion. In the days of the anti-slavery movement, when the Anglican ministers in the South would not support racism and pro-slavery sentiment, the South changed its religions to the more personal, evangelical religions whose ministers did support racism and slavery. An insistence on maintaining a racist structure leads also to an insistence on racists values and hence racist religions. Similarly, today's Southerners are abandoning the more staid evangelical religions for the highly personalized religions characterized by the phrase "born-again Christians." Whereas, many a Methodist or Baptist preacher would not now condone racism, the Southerners don't have to worry about this with their new preachers of born-again religion.
With the abandonment by the Southern Democrats of the Democratic party, blacks became somewhat more influential in the Democratic party, because the party was now much smaller than it had been. As a result, the Democratic party is somewhat more liberal than it used to be.
So the division between the two parties grew. The Republican party represented the wealthy industrialists and other rich persons, the South, and a good proportion of the working class and middle-class who were concerned that blacks were getting too much privilege in this country. (I watched a lot of coverage of the 2000 elections and I heard no one discuss the obvious: the entire old Confederacy went for the Republicans, plus the more rural parts of the Midwest -- with the exception of Ohio. So Bush won the election with a combination of the two R's: ruralism and racism. The networks are both too biased and/or too afraid of losing ratings by offending the South and Midwest, apparently.)
The Democratic party, although losing the South, did retain some of its traditional base, working class, some of the middle class, and the blacks. But by and large, the Democratic party was much weakened by the overall abandonment of the party by the South.
The end result was that the two parties now grew very far apart from each other ideologically speaking. The Republicans now had a very strong racist backing which made the party take very conservative stances. The Democrats had a cadre of liberals that kept its ideas in the liberal camp.
Since the two parties were so far apart from each other, many Americans, more in the ideological middle, not solidly racist, but certainly not pro-active for Civil Rights legislation, did not trust either of the parties. So the middle areas decided to practice split government. If the Democrats had the legislature, the voters would give the executive to the Republicans. If the voters gave the legislature to the Republicans, they tended to give the presidency to the Democrats. It was and not a perfect pattern, but the general trend is still true. The voters figure that it is better to have political stalemate than to have either party do something "radical," either to the political right or the left.
The new racism of the Republican party has expressed itself in some very ugly ways. Since the voters were not giving the Republicans a clear hand and they wanted to stop any more pro-Civil Rights legislation, they decided to take a strategy that would ultimately prove very destructive of the United States as a whole.
In a sense, they decided to bribe the American public. They took the stance that the government was a bad thing; that government over-taxed the public in order to waste money on destructive progressive legislation to help the blacks and other minorities. The Republicans basically said, vote for us and we will give the money to you. We will put your money back in your pocket instead of in the pockets of bad government. This way the voters would keep more money, and the Republicans would be able to stymie any further hope for a progressive government.
In a sense, the Republicans made a pact with the devil. They sold their political soul to the hatred of the government devil, in return for dominance in American politics. The Republicans demonized government and the liberals. And no one clearly denounces the Republican Party for being virtual anarchists -- always promising tax cuts and to hell with government functioning. Actually, there is a method to the madness of the Republicans. They claim that government is bad and so taxes have to be cut, then government functioning does indeed become bad in many areas because of the lack of funding, and then the Republican use the damage (that they caused) as evidence that government is no good. It because a destructive cycle with the government getting worse and the public becoming more and more cynical.
The conservative emphasis on hatred of government is very attuned with racism. Racism encourages hatred and hatred of government, especially a pro-Civil Rights government, is very compatible with racism. The forces of Republican, Southern, and born-again Christian racism and moralism reinforces each other in a blend of very nasty, vindictive rhetoric.
Southern racists have always insisted that they were more religious than any other segment of the population. And Southern religion, largely being racist, has an exaggerated sense of moralism. Vernon Johns always used to marvel that the most "religious" part of the country was also the worst violator of Civil Rights.
This attitudinal mixture of racist moralism, so typical of the South and now so typical of the Republicans, was practiced by the Republicans in spades and to excess to paralyze the presidency of the Democratic president, William Jefferson Clinton. The Republicans were able to paralyze the Democrats by their constant misuse of legislative committees and hearings. Somehow the Republicans have been able to substitute their racist moralism for any balanced sense of decency and fair play. Somehow they have decided that anyone in political life that they don't like and who has committed adultery is deserving of being replaced in political office or paralyzed in their exercise of political office.
It has been a long time since the American political culture has experienced such vindictive and hateful rhetoric. The moralists, who are supposed to be more moral than the rest of us, feel that it is justified to describe the president of the United States as a "scumbag," a "stupid, fat bastard," an "adulterer," a "rapist," etc. We became used to "hate" radio, but now with cable we have "hate" TV. Angry white men with a Republican bent now shout their anger and racist moralisms and accusations at the top of their lungs. On cable TV, almost the entire Fox News network is a very conservative, I would even say racist, network.
A great tragedy is that the liberals have not spoken up for themselves. They have not defended Democratic values and beliefs, but rather have either remained silent, or, like Senator Joseph Liebermann, have actually spoken out against President Clinton. (Liebermann wants to compete with the Republicans for moralism -- something which cannot be accomplished.)
The atmosphere these days is somewhat reminiscent of the McCarthy days. McCarthy was going around pretending he was more moral, more loyal, to the United States and that others were "beyond the pale" and had to be stopped, or at least punished. No one spoke up against McCarthyism until McCarthy went too far and took on the United States Army.
One reason for the Democrats silence and weakness against the moral terrorism of the Republicans is that the Democrats have themselves unleashed moralism by their insistence that everyone use "politically correct" speech. Liberals can go so far to the left in some areas that they come to resemble their opponents. The puritanism in the "politically correct" movement is one with the moralism of the racists. It's hard for Democrats to speak out against destructive moralists when they have been acting much the same way -- using moralism to enforce heterodoxy on their followers and others.
Another reason for Democratic weakness is the failure of the liberals to find, maintain, and use some measure of racism and hence a determination of who are the racists. Any charge of racism is easily deflected by conservative racists by them simply saying that they have black friends and have taken pro-black steps such as appointing blacks to political office. When a conservative Republican has virtually never voted for any progress Civil Rights legislation and indeed has actively worked against the passage of any progressive legislation, he ought to be called a "racist." But apparently the liberals, both black and white, are too scared to support some measure of racism so we could get a better handle on the racism of the Republican party.
At the present there is no effective Democratic spokesperson who can defend the party against the destructive moralism of the Republicans. There is no liberal who can effectively come out and expose the Republican party for its pact with the racist-moralist devil. This has left the Democrats pretty defenseless and considerably hopeless.
Americans love to go on witch hunts. The country experienced the Salem witch trials, the McCarthy era, the crazed search for child molesters in our kindergarten systems, and now the witch hunt for moral failings of politicians, and including, people who are even just considered "role models." Witch hunts are only stopped by people standing up to the fanatic hunters and telling them they have gone too far.
Frankly, the Republicans so misused their racism moralism once they got control over the legislature, that it would be better for the Democratic party to, in an era of divided government, to try to capture the legislature and let the Republicans have the presidency. Nothing much will get done, but that is normal in divided government. At least, we would not have to go through the nonsense we had to go through when Clinton was in office. There is only one president and so he is an easy target. There are too many Democratic legislators for them all to fall to charges raised against their personal morals by the moralistic Republicans.
The Republicans have certainly won this game of "moralism." Hopefully, Democrats will learn that it is impossible to out-moralize the racists. Instead, they should abandon extreme moralism as a destructive force in American life.
laok - this is a nice post.
However, I need to ask you - for Democrats to 'combat' the moralism of the Republicans, doesn't that mean that the Democrats need to BECOME 'moralistic'?
Democrats, almost by definition, are more logical and intellectual; they cannot understand why a person would WANT to be moralistic. This is what I believe we saw in the past 2 years - the President and his cabinet were working tirelessly to right the ship, but yet they are 'blamed' for not doing it 'fast enough'. The Democrats are scratching their heads wondering what happened, because they - in their minds - have done a yeoman's job of keeping the economy from going into a tailspin. They figured that was enough.
Of course we see that the electorate has other things in mind.
This election is puzzling to some on the left because they see that we need more time to make sure the ship is sailing again. They are having a hard time understanding why the electorate is giving the keys of the country back to the ones who wrecked it in the first place.
I guess if they were moralistic, they could attribute the 'blame' to something else. It may explain why the right seem to be more 'emotional' in their actions than logical.
What do you think? Am I reading this correctly?
Let them gripe all they want. It was the energy of the Tea Party that gave the Repubs the gains that they got. It was the RINO mentality that got them in trouble in 2006 and 2008. So they want us to go back to that which drove them from power, or do they want to adhere to the mandate they got from the people? With all of that said, where was the help from the RNC in some of the races that could have been won, but weren't, because the Republican victor in the Primaries wasn't a part of their "Good Ol' Boy" network? The Repubs have two years to demonstrate that they are putting up the good fight and show they are battling to turn this country around, or they may face another 2006 or 2008. It is their choice; they asked for one more chance, and we have given it to them.