Rush is a paranoid narcissist. His fear has risen to the level where he supports subversion over sanity. He would prefer to destroy America if he can, to prove he is right. The only question is does freedom of speech protect an evil spouting self-centered nut case, or can the 'socially redeeming value" clause be used to censor him, or at least move his programming to the wee hours of the morning!

You just have to understand Limbaugh is a dope addict and glutton who has sold his soul to the big business demons.he is just a poor slob when it comes to class just like that idiot beck.

Republicans have been sabotaging the economy! What a statement! As an onlooker from the "Old World" I wonder every time I watch any US election why so few people go to the polling stations. In fact, if you look at it, only about 30% of the possible US voters go to the polls. And of these about 50% will determine who runs the house and senate.

Maybe Obama sounded too elitist too long. If he had adopted the kind of talking to people as his wife Michelle has the gift to do, Obama would be on the winners side. Unfortunately he wanted too much in too little time and hence people were disappointed and frustated. You cannot turn economy by just injecting enough money into it. If the guys responsible for a turnaround won't join & play stubborn, you can call it sabotaging the economy.

are you for real?

James no matter what political beliefs anyone has, censoring free speech leads to the pathway of dictatorships. As soon as the press cannot criticize its government the public looses its freedom. Look at Nazi Germany, Communist Russia. You can hate Limbaugh, but who comes next? Let's say we get a Republican president. Will they censor any Democrat based news and allow only Republican? As soon as that door is opened it will never be closed. This is the first item our founders felt was the most important to put in the Bill of Rights. Besides do you think anyone would have been mad if they couldn't have criticized Bush for 8 years? "Freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly,right to petition". While were at it lets do away with those too. That way when Obama's term is up and we have some power hungry president down the road with the "socially redeeming value clause" that can ban freedom of the press is already in place we can start singing songs to our great leader and change U.S to S.S.

You have a right to free speech.

You do not, and should not , have a right to unfettered access AMPLIFIED speech. The responsibility of having access to AMPLIFIED speech should impose penalties for getting the facts wrong.

Where does it say anything about AMPLIFIED in the constitution ??

Exactly. Speech already existed, and the closest thing to amplified speech was the printing press. The difference is that you can't make someone read your paper but you can force them to hear your message. Amplified speech isn't covered by the constitution, just as the second amendment doesn't allow you to own a Nuclear weapon.

While I am not a fan of Rush Limbaugh and detest many things he says, I am for personal freedom and property rights. Each and every law passed by a legislature impedes one of those two rights, regardless if it is for, "the common good," or simply declares a holiday. Too many have given their lives in protection of our freedom and property rights to see them stolen like a thief in the night by the progressive politics of the current administration.

The failure of businessmen and industrialists to reinvest in the economy quickly has nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh or any media outlets. It is simply good businessmen doing good business to protect their property from the looters of the current administration. When this administration changes from its progressive agenda, so then will the attitude of those with equity to put their money back to work. Until then we will all, "Go Galt," irrespective of any radio talk show.

As for the censorship of, "Amplified Speech," that is the nonesense spoken only by schoolchildren who in their naiveté do not have the life experience to understand the nature of media and politics. Censorship is not uttered by anyone who understands, loves and respects the rights given by the Constitution of the United States and sealed in blood with the lives of those who have fought for our unique privelage to say, "I am a US citizen!".

Naive. Indeed. The discussion went right over your simplistic head.

The "producers" going on strike, and taking their capital with them isn't something that we have to tolerate as a freedom.

Ayn Rand aside, our money, a fiat currency, is based on debt and is only good for the repayments of debt. If the "capitalists" want to take their industry out on strike until they can get Americans to work for slave wages like the Chinese, it will be a short strike with a very bad ending for the elite.

Free speech is a valuable right we all should have and defend.

AMPLIFIED speech, the ability to mislead the masses, should be a regulated privilege.

Gentlemen,

Since when does Propaganda, malicious deception, and lies qualify as free speech. If I tell a five year child that there is a big box of candy on the other side of a busy freeway just waiting for him and he can have all of it---is that protected speech? I don't think so. Rush and Beck are promoting lies and using Malicious Deception to forment unrest and even revolt, when they could be using their pulpits to express a conservative view point based on factual information. Conservatives themselves should be replussed by it. This is neither "entertainment" where the satire and humor is clear, nor is it responsible political commentary where rational positions are supported by facts. This is a made up, exaggerated, and deceptive reality that is malicious in its intent--- propaganda designed to undermine the very Idea of Free Speech.

James: Well said. As I have written before, we all have a right to free speech. The problem begins with yelling "fire"in a crowded theater, which may or may not be on fire. Your example with the 5 year old and the candy putting everyone on the highway in harms way is interesting as well.

The as yet unaddressed issue is the difference between normal speech and AMPLIFIED speech, mass media speech, propogandist spam. You can't make someone read your newspaper, but you can broadcast your amplified speech into every corner of our world and cyberspace until it can't be avoided. This power needs regulation.

I think both Rush and Beck are mentally ill. Clever, but Ill, and I think they are spreading their Sickness to mask their own, essentially, if they can make their followers believe their illogical nonsense they won't look so bad. That is not the same has having a legitimate political position protected by Free Speech even if that political position is openly calling for an overthrow of the government. The give away is that Rush and Beck appeal to negative emotion, they attempt to make the opposite side "look" bad as opposed to presenting a rational proof that they are bad. And that is propaganda, not debate in a free and open society.

2007 Jake. Not 2006, dunce. Why are you even here if you don't understand such a basic point as that? And it is democrats in the democratic party, not democrates.

all we need to do to make government work is to get rid of the fake filibuster in the Senate and make lobbying a completely transparent activity and strengthen the whistleblower protection laws.

I am with you on the lobbyist and anything we can do to curtail their influence is a good thing. The filibuster not so much. If a new law cannot be supported by 60% it was probably too divisive to obtain support from at least a small faction of the opposition party. This makes it a good thing. The Senate was and has always been the place where moderation is required. Protection from extreme legislation that can often be passed by simple majority in the House.

Not the filibuster..............the FAKE FILIBUSTER.

The real filibuster gives the minority time and leverage to modify a bill that has already passed the house.

The fake filibuster doesn't delay or modify anything, it simply kills legislation which has already passed the house, keeping it from ever coming up for a vote. It is profoudly unamerican and our founding fathers would look at us as idiots for thinking that the fake filibuster is constitutional.

what most of the polls aren't reaching is the under thirty crowd who don't have land lines by which they can be reached. Bound to skew the results to the conservatives.

Well Mark, I'm 52. I have never voted Republican, never will. I'm a Fairly conservative Christian. I vote my pocketbook on some issues, but I look at the over all impact. If I get a tax break from a Party, but there is no job to go to, it really does'nt help. I can understand why the very wealthy vote Republican, they get huge tax breaks and are allowed to ship jobs overseas, which inturn helps them make more money which is taxed less, and so on. You don't sound as if you're are in the higher tax brackets, so why in the hell would you vote for someone who wants you to make less, have no benefits and eventually send your job some where else. Doesn't make sense does it. Now maybe you're concerned about abortion. If the Republicans had controll of Congress and the Presidency yet couldn't outlaw Abortion, they are not going to. They make too much money and get too many votes to give it up.

Now you are incorrect when you say the Democrats caused the economy to fail. Everyone knows the author of the bills that allowed this to happen came from none other than Phil Gramm, Senator from Texas. That's why John McCain had to fire him as his economic adviser during the campaign. Did you forget.

But just to wrap this up, Obama included in his stimulus package nearly 400 billion in tax cuts. But I'm sure you still couldn't vote for a Democrat. That would make more sense than your capable. The problem as I see it is that too many Americans think they know what happened, but they don't. It's only been 2 years since this economic catastrophy happened, do you even know who was President during that time? Next time you write at least try to make sense and spell correctly. We couldn't have graduated from High School in the same decade.

David , no worries , I do apologize for the typos though missing an index finger( It has after all only been 8 months since that accident) and typing can be hazardous to the typed word missing a finger or even just the tip. I would state that just as you have never voted for a republican , I have never voted for a democrat on purpose , though there have been times i have voted for a candidate running as a democrat only because they lost the other parties nominations in the primaries. If you only want to go back to the 80s and 90s to blame the current economic mess on , thats ok , but i think it started further back than that to when both of us were nubbins and the basis was laid out back then , and in most cases before any of us were even gleams in our daddies eyes . way I see it , we work on the foundations passed on to us , and there are a few that came before us that had hands in whats happening today. And you are correct , we didnt graduate High School in the same decades , from what you say your age is that would make you graduating about the time of Jimmy Carter in the 70s , Im from the next decade , the 80s that learned the lesson that Carter was full of it same as you , learned from Nixon that the reps are full of it and I think at this point I can honestly say both parties are full of it , I wont pretend to be able to speak for anyone else , but they only had to work with what they were handed right? kinda proves my point a little. Do I have any answers? not really because you wont find enough to make a difference to impliment anything I can suggest , the same as you wont find enough to make a difference the other way , all I can do is if i dont support it , not to contribute to a thing , and let it fail on its own weight , and the current direction I see is the government , absent of party affilliation , is headed in the wrong way to increase economic security .but , I also understand that even here on the vine , nothing any of us has to say is of any real matter because we dont have that last say , the only things we individually do have the last say in ,is what we individually do , and as i stated there are other ways to get out of having to do something the majority deems nessisary , such as limit income so no taxes can be garnered , a drastic , radical and extreme approach to be sure and not one everyone would choose , but if there is no taxable income , how does the majority pay for their programs? and if funding is the life blood of government , what happens when funding (taxation) dries up to the point it cant support the programs? I think , from noiw on I will be asking my legislators , from local on up to national to provide where they get the authority constituionally for any legislation theysupport , or propose . Im sure that would go a long way .I know sarcasm doesnt translate well to the typed word unless one is well practiced in it , but with the federal admins i have seen , and studied , i doubt any of them could measure up to that test.

It is curious that when we determine who should get the lion's share of the blame, the right immediately tries to get us to look somewhere else in history, but only in a vague kind of way. Gramm-Leach-Bliley is directly to blame for our economic fiasco; it permitted the bubble of false prosperity to be inflated, and then exponentially by the subsequent corruption of the ratings agencies. How they, the ratings agencies have avoided prosecution for their role in the fraud, deserves a special investigation. Sen. Byron Dorgan took to the floor of the senate during the debate over GRAMM-Leach-Bliley and predicted that within a decade of false profits that it would all fall apart and we , the taxpayers would be left holding the bag. Sure enough, that is what has happened.

If everyone is to blame, NO ONE is able to be blamed.

EVERYONE is not to be blamed. GRAMM is to be blamed. Other suspects to follow.

Paul? and who is to say there IS any lions share in the present situation? sorry but the insolvency of the housing market under the reins of the Dodd and Frank reign , all the while them saying it was sound when it wasnt , add into the mix , the deregulation of how securities were allowed to be pawned off , and debt moved around , i think there is enough to go around to all involved , I doubt very seriously anyone can irrefutably point to any 1 single factor that would have staunched what happened . so that is my premise for saying , its alot of little things set along the way , with no one actually having the foresight to try to avert iot , and even if they did try , they obviously didnt try hard enough , or we can always fall back on the excuse that , the parties trying to avert it didnt have the majority vote to do so. you can blame whom you desire , and whomever the facts tell you to , the facts tell me that for the last 40 yrs , both sides set things in motion that culminated in what we have today , from the establishment of differing government agencies , to the deregulation by others , the constant mucking and meddling that is common in all governments , its the old axim I've heard , if it aint broke , and its a government project , diddle with it till it is broke , then ask for more funding. This I will admit , its going to be an interesting election cycle from here on out . and as I close foir the night , remember to vote tomorrow , however you plan to . I will be as well as volenteering to drive others that dont have transport to the polls.

All of the blame can be assigned, you just have to be willing to start at the beginning and unwind it form there. I tried to be concise. Dodd and Frank are convenient scapegoats as is the CRA. They may be culpable to some degree, but they are hardly to blame for the AAA ratings assigned to junk debt paper.

Nevadan, I said i was coming up on 50 not that I was over 50 , (who says guys cant be coy about age . well as a 10 yr veteran of the armed forces , I think I did my part for national defense , as well as the volenteering i do in my local community( search and reascue, volenteer fire dept , and neighborhood watches )amoung other charitable endevorse , some being as simple as dropping a snow plow blade in the winter to make sure someone can get out of their drive way , or making sure there is a stack of fire wood if they have the capability to use it , and sometimes taking some of the benefits of my hobbies , such as fishing or hunting , and getting some to some that may not otherwise have some , Im not saying that these folks wont eat without it , but its a change up from the norm. You state that thye government maintains those great partks and the forests , actually if you came out here you would find out they do not take care of anything , and restrict alot of activities in the name of conservation ,. most the forests in this area , are self maintaining , the people that live here do most of the trail work and cleanup thats been going on with the exception of the heavy construction grade road work . the trails and footpaths are maintained by the people , ( about the only thing about the Sierra club I agree with , bring it in bring it out and then bring out a little more . Now you can say whatever you want Nevadan about selfishness, but since i dont intend to take advantage of those supposed "benefits " and in some cases , ie SS most likely wont live long enough to collect , is it any wonder that folks may decide NOT to participate , and before you state That I will collect , I am not only an armed forces veteran , but im one with a service connected hearing disability , ( yes that means Im deaf , and in the words of my Dr whom I pay , im as deaf as a fence post) that receives no compensation whatsoever for that particular disability , including none from SSI, I most likely could , but I choose not to , because I can still be productive and take care of myself .as well as assist a few others along the way with what charitable actions I choose , not mandated by the feds. federally mandated charity is still theft by government , under color of law . You claim you left the GOP nevadan for specific reasons , my view is you most likely left because they wouldnt adopt more socialistsic stances , and thats well and good as the saying goes different strokes for different folks , just dont expect others to pay for your strokin... Im making sure I wont.

Oh and have a nice day.....;)

Mark, Taxation is tricky and you have to be careful. When the Republicans passed the current tax "breaks" they also eliminated many deductions commonly used by the middle class. My taxes went up while taxes on the wealthiest went down or were eliminated entirely. If you take $500 from 100 million wage earners you can give $50,000 to one million of your wealthiest friends.

The real problem is you are not paid enough for what you produce, your earnings have not kept pace with real inflation, Corporations are getting rich while its workers are getting poor. The $50,000 dollar gift above goes into savings or investment not job creation. When the wealthy have too much play money available they over invest, over speculate, and Wall Street is happy to create "investment vehicles" for them. Then you get over investment, a false value bubble, and eventually a bust. And the Bust takes the middle and lower classes down, the wealthy only lose the $50K gift they didn't deserve in the first place. Think about it!

i agree

Wishfull thinking!!!!! It does not mean that democrats are going to win. On Novembe 02/10 I hope you will see that the polls were right all along showing the republicans winning the House and possibly even the Senate. Maybe you should not stay awake to watch the election results because you will be very disappointed. Anyway, I do not believe in early voting because there is a chance that fraud can occur. Voting should be done on the day of the election unless you are going to be out of the country. Less chance of ACORN/Move ON, etc doing their usual fraudulent schemes.

The soup lines are courtesy of Pelosi and Reid. Don't forget to send them a thank you note. I know I will.

The soup lines are courtesy of Pelosi and Reid. Don,t forget to send them a thank you card.

Hate to disappoint, but GOP will only be bipartisan if it's all their way. I think the Reps will get the house, not the Senate. It's going to be a long 2 years. Their only aim is to beat Obama, no matter the cost.

Anita-2442442,

Bulls@it, Bulls@it.