The Clinton-Meek drama doesn’t change the dynamics of a Senate race the GOP is poised to win… In fact, the story is a microcosm of the past couple of weeks -- plenty of sound and fury, but signifying little change in the overall environment… That said, the drama is just another example of how Dem plans to cut political deals have backfired… Economy grew at a 2% pace in 3rd quarter… Obama to discuss economy at 11:40 am ET, then to stump for Rep. Tom Perriello (D) at 7:35 pm ET… DSCC goes up in Alaska… David Vitter is bulletproof… Whitman calls to deport her ex-housekeeper/nanny… And Boxer up eight points in new Field Poll.
*** Drama in Florida: Just as we were noticing the lack of October surprises heading into Election Day came the news late yesterday that Bill Clinton tried to convince Kendrick Meek to quit Florida’s Senate race. The story produced plenty of drama: Meek defiantly said he was remaining in the contest and has since denied the conversation ever took place; RNC Chairman Michael Steele issued a statement wondering why Democrats were trying to get the African-American Meek out of the race (someone have his own re-election in mind?); and Marco Rubio’s campaign essentially blamed Charlie Crist for the whole story. The irony of all the drama? This three-way Senate race has been over for the past two months, with every poll showing Rubio in the 40s, Crist in the high 20s or low 30s, and Meek in third.
*** Full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing: This story, in fact, has been a microcosm of the past two weeks: plenty of sound and fury, but signifying little change from the overall dynamics of this election season -- that Republicans are poised for gains all across the country. Indeed, the Cook Political Report is now projecting that Republicans will net between 48 and 60 seats (with higher losses possible), while the always-cautious Rothenberg Political Report puts number between 55 and 65. Some Republican strategists privately believe it’s more possible for the GOP to pick up 70 seats than to have gains in JUST the 40s. But we have to ask: Can the Republicans really pick up 55 to 70 House seats and not win the Senate? It would actually be a remarkable feat if that were the case. What’s more off -- the predictions on the Dems holding the Senate or the predictions of the GOP picking up more than 55 seats?
*** Let’s (not) make a deal: Here’s one final point about yesterday’s Meek-Clinton news: While it doesn’t quite DIRECTLY link back to the White House, it’s just another example of how Democratic plans to cut political deals and play around in races have blown up in their faces -- publicly. Remember the effort to get Joe Sestak out of Pennsylvania’s Senate race? Or the plan to convince Andrew Romanoff not to challenge Michael Bennet’s in Colorado Senate contest? Then there was the White House’s inability to recruit (in Obama’s home state!) Lisa Madigan to run for the Senate. Even the ultimately successful effort to get New York Gov. David Paterson not to run turned into an uncomfortable story for Democrats. And it’s not just the Democrats; how many failed efforts were there by the NRCC and NRSC this year to help a preferred candidate? If there is one thing we know, it’s that this isn’t the year to try to be cutting political deals.
*** DSCC goes up in Alaska: Yet here is some good news for Democrats: Alaska’s Senate race is becoming more and more competitive for them. After a poll yesterday showed GOP nominee Joe Miller dropping to third place behind a write-in candidate (i.e., Lisa Murkowski) and Dem nominee Scott McAdams, First Read has learned that the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is going up with some TV ads to hit Murkowski. By the way, here’s the calculus: With Miller in free fall, he’ll still hold on to 20-30% of the vote, and that leaves the other 70% to be split between McAdams and Murkowski. But don’t forget, even if “write-ins” top McAdams, quite a few ballots might end up being disqualified. Bottom line: Unlike just about every other race this year, there’s a real potential margin of error of say 2-3% when it comes to Murkowski’s potential vote total. Say it’s 37% write-ins, 34% McAdams and 29% Miller. Would it shock longtime recount specialists if the “write-in” total for Murwkoski ends up, say, closer to 34%?, Well, it’s recount city…
*** GDP, yeah you know me: In non-campaign news, the U.S. economy grew at a 2% pace in the third quarter. Tied to that news, President Obama will deliver remarks on the economy at 11:40 am ET from Beltsville, MD. In the evening, at 7:35 pm ET, he attends a rally in Charlottesville, VA for vulnerable freshman Rep. Tom Perriello (D). Perriello’s GOP challenger, Robert Hurt, and House Minority Whip Eric Cantor hold a conference call at 10:45 am ET to pre-but the rally.
*** I. Am. Bulletproof: Maybe the most underreported story this midterm season? Let’s try how Louisiana Sen. David Vitter (R) -- despite his involvement in a prostitution ring -- is cruising to re-election. In a debate last night, Vitter’s Democratic opponent, Rep. Charlie Melancon, directly raised the prostitution story. Said Melancon, per the New Orleans Times-Picayune: “You've sinned, you've lied, you've broken the law, you've embarrassed the state --- yet you've not hinted once that you think you should step down.” More from the paper: “Vitter refused to go beyond his earlier statements about the D.C. Madam and said he believes he has been forgiven by his family and ‘my God.’ He said the voters he has encountered at town hall meetings are willing to look beyond his indiscretions, and suggested that it's only the media and "political hacks" who continue to dwell on the topic.”
*** Whitman goes all in? The L.A. Times reports that California gubernatorial nominee Meg Whitman (R) -- who is trailing Democrat Jerry Brown -- has begun to appeal to conservative audiences to fire up her base. The latest example: She appeared on FOX last night arguing that her ex-housekeeper/nanny should be deported. “Until now she has declined to comment on whether the former housekeeper should be deported. But Wednesday, in an interview with Greta Van Susteren, Whitman answered the question head on. ‘Well, the answer is it breaks my heart, but she should be deported because she forged documents and she lied about her immigration status,’ Whitman said. ‘And it breaks my heart. Gloria Allred pulled off a political stunt. And you know what? On Nov. 3, no one's going to care about Nicky Diaz. But the law is the law and we live in the rule of law. It's important.’”
*** Boxer still ahead: And staying with California, a new Field Poll shows Barbara Boxer (D) leading Carly Fiorina by eight points among likely voters in the state’s Senate contest, 49%-41%.
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Another narrative created by MSNBC to keep the thinking people on their toes… this time it's a candidate who was supposed to do this because a candidate said this about a former president saying this because they thought that and now this is going to happen because of that which is a result of that being this…
And the simple fact that Crist explained this on FAUX NEWS to explain it all and MSNBC taking that from that is enough to make one throw up in their own mouth.
RED FLAG people! Gee whiz MSNBC, I thought you and FAUX NEWS were different (Leaning Forward v Unfair and Unbalanced). Sounds like you actually Lean Backwards too.
But on a lighter note, this whole funny scenario reminds me of Abbott and Costello's Who's On First Skit…
First (Who)
Second (What)
Third (I Don't Know)
Left Field (Why)
Center Field (Because)
Pitcher (Tomorrow)
Catcher (Today)
Short Stop (I Don't Care).
Costello (MSNBC) is trying to figure Who (Clinton), What (Crist) and Why (Rubio) Because (FAUX) Today is not Tommorrow nor Who is What Today which is Why Tomorrow is not Today. Abbott (Meek) is explaining What is Who is not Why Because naturally is Who throws to I don't Know Because He Doesn't Care…
Get it? Doubt it… If you leave the media to explain it to you, you will be left in the dark. Use what the Good Lord gave you (your mind).
Sounds like MSNBC is competing with Stewart and Colbert… there's no competition.
All the twisting, turning and spinning is enough to dizzy the Tazmanian Devil!!
The people in Florida and the rest of the nation is not taken in by the Media's love for the Republican TEA Party, we took the nation back from racism and bigotry a loooong time ago and we're not ready to go back to that...
With the Republithug TEA Baggers and the MSM in the pocket of the Republithugs…
The Rent!
Is Too Damn High…
More proof of the Dems dismal handling of the economy. THIS is the reason the American people are going to fire the Dems in the 2010 election. The economy needs to grow by at least 3% just to keep up with population growth. And it needs to grow by more than 3% to reduce the unemployment rate. Instead of working 24/7/365 on reviving the economy, they spent (pun intended) the last two years on passing lefty liberal pork spending programs. The lefty liberal Dems wanted a socialist, old Europe country with slow economic growth and high unemployment, and they seem to have achieved their goal. And the American people have noticed their incompetence.
From MSNBC.com:
WASHINGTON — U.S. economic growth edged higher in the third quarter, data released Friday show, but the gain wasn’t enough to chip away at the nation’s high unemployment or change perceptions of more monetary easing from the Federal Reserve next week.
The U.S. Commerce Department reported that gross domestic product, which measures total goods and services output within U.S. borders, expanded at a 2 percent annual rate in the July-September period.
The number was slightly higher than expected, but still sluggish. It was higher than the 1.7 percent pace recorded in the second quarter.
The GDP report will probably not dissuade Fed officials at their November 2-3 meeting from announcing a second round of bond purchases next week to push interest rates down further and energize the recovery. But it is likely to color their debate.
Analysts expect the Fed to announce bond purchases of at least $100 billion a month to push borrowing costs lower and spur businesses to expand investment and hiring.
The economy is experiencing a slow recovery by historical standards, with unemployment at 9.6 percent and Americans increasingly nervous about the future.
With this being the last weekend before the election I would like to reveal what I've learned over the last couple of weeks:
First I learned that a month ago the MSM & right wingers here at First Read were predicting a Republican tsunami on November 2nd... then a couple of weeks ago it was downgraded to a Category 4 hurricane... and now it’s looking like it’s only going to be a wave!
I also learned that violence & intimidation against the opposing side is not only condoned by the right wingers it’s encouraged!
Then I learned that the US Chamber of Commerce is receiving anonymous donations from foreign to fund attack ads against the Democrats! Essentially admitting that this country is in FACT for sale to the highest bidder!
If that's not enough - thanks to activist SCOTUS judge Roberts and the Citizens United ruling corporations are now counted as citizens.
Which brings me to the question of how many people out there actually know that these innocent sounding groups like Cross-Roads for America and such are actually front groups for the likes of Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie?
All we’ve heard relentlessly from the right is that business can't hire because of all the economic uncertainty thanks to President Obama!
REALLY? I would think that instead of 7 figure checks to right wing smear machines that money would be of MUCH better SPENT if it was applied towards creating a couple of jobs or two! Talk about screwed up priorities...
I still have faith that the majority of the American people are smarter than they are being portrayed as by the MSM and it is they who will show the HAVES that they have greatly underestimated the HAVE NOTS!
And finally... where were all the right wingers 'Wanting Their Country Back' when President Carter or Clinton were in office? Hmmm????
Have a Happy Halloween and I've got some tasty popcorn balls for ALL!
PS: Get out and vote like your life depends on it... because if these tea bagging thugs win it very well may!
Wow-
Never thought I'd see one of the usual suspects attack MSNBC with nearly the same zeal as Fox News is assaulted.
Must be getting closer to Election Day.
I forgot to add that I also learned that the Republicans have presented ZERO ideas on how to move this country forward.
They are on record thanks to Mitch McConnell that their only priority is to continue to obstruct to ensure President Obama serves ONE term!
So much for the COUNTRY FIRST bullsh!t!
Run Kendrick Run! You really DO stand a chance! Bwahahahaha.
That's right, MB. That's how out of touch and far to the left these people are. They think MSNBC is scamming for the GOP. Silly fools. These are the same people that din't like Hilary because she wasn't liberal enough.
And by the way, if a strange looking woman shouting Tea Party slogans rushed an Obama appearance and was tackled, all these lefty wingnuts on here would be shouting "bravo!" She could have been "dangerous" etc...We know this for a fact. End of story.
LouisJ
Costello (MSNBC) is trying to figure Who (Clinton), What (Crist) and Why (Rubio) Because (FAUX) Today is not Tommorrow nor Who is What Today which is Why Tomorrow is not Today. Abbott (Meek) is explaining What is Who is not Why Because naturally is Who throws to I don't Know Because He Doesn't Care…
Exactly, Louis
It's so obvious now Morning Joke's show is not every ones cup of cappuccino. Arina Huffington is in the mix too. I couldn't understand her; I'm not talking about her accent. How she sit there and propagandize Clinton did two rallies; but took Meeks in the backroom and asked Meek to drop out. How she know was she there? Ditto: the blue dog Democrat, Harold Ford.
Louis....you got it right, this is really a non story. Meek was doomed as soon a Charlie Crist announced his intention to run as an independent and even if Charlie was in or out of the race, Meek would not win.
The question I have for my fellow Floridians, how could you endorse and vote for Rubio or anyone with an R beside their name? To my way of looking at it, you are encouraging and tolerating the bad behaviour of the extremes of your party. Some of you are nice people yet by voting for the TPs you condone and encourage the behaviour that will bring this country to ruin. I dont understand you.
Fellow Travelers:
Years ago, I was a Republican. I generally liked the idea of limited government and responsible spending. I was a bit put out by the Puritanical overtones, the "we-want-to-watch-what-you-do-in-your-bedroom" mentality. Then about 25 or 30-years ago, the voyeur aspect began to increase exponentially. Government increased in size and spending went out of control under Republicans. That was in California and this degeneration of the Republican Party is now national in scope. Angle, Miller, O'Donnell, Paul, Buck and many more want in your bedroom. They, and their counterparts, run from questions. They offer nothing but a return to the policies that brought this nation to the brink of destruction.
We are watching an almost insane caricature of the G.O.P. Today's incarnation of the Republican Party is the embodiment of mean-spiritedness, of intolerance, and what can only be called devotion to, and love of, ignorance.
I cannot imagine ever returning to the G.O.P. This is why -
Black is white and, day is night and, wrong is right and
that's the truth in the G.O.P.
Chicken hawkin', BS talkin', never walk the walk walkin'
That's the G.O.P.
Diversity-hating, refudiating, stop the educating,
That's the G.O.P.
Big Money boot lickin', middle class kickin', poor people pocket pickin'
That's the G.O.P.
Treasury raiding, honor degrading, recovery fading,
That's the G.O.P.
Bible thumpin', ho ______', those hypocrites are really sumpin'
That's the G.O.P.
We're peas in a podder, we do what we oughter, Big Money's cannon fodder,
I'm the G.O.P.
Justice crying, reality-denying, America dying -
That's the promise of the G.O.P.
You can collapse the post. You can't collapse the truth.
Call it what you like.
Tsunami, hurricane, wave...
Losses in the range of 48 to 70 House seats would be a disaster for the Democratic Party.
Any attempts to dismiss the significance of such a political defeat amount to a feeble attempt at rationalization...
Completely irrational, Feisty.
Yes Mixed bag,
The libs on this sight are not just scared, they are terrified. Like a teenage kid that is going to get their car keys taken away.
Their messiah was in office to make all things right with the world, and now it is crumbling before their eyes. They just hate to think that they might have to work for a living and live up to some moral code.
So what to do? Cry and whine.....accuse the republicans of being racist, money hungry war mongers, everything they can think of, but it won't help.
Nov 2nd, by the way feisty, WILL be a bloodbath for the libs.
Amusing the amount of gloating oin display from the right wingers...
Enjoy it while you can! ;0)
And I'll see ya all on the 3rd! lol
Rightly said David... That's the GOP.
Head Stompin, Psychopath talkin
Palin the Incoherent stalkin
Livin Life like a joke
While America goes up in smoke
That's the GOP... The Rent!
Is Too Damn High...
Joe in Albany- you realize, of course, that the GDP growth rate will, undoubtedly, be revised downward in the next few weeks, do you not?
Most of the analysts believe that the growth is about .8%; given the revisions we've seen in this administration, I would not be surprised to see that figure in a month or so.
In order to have any impact on the unemployment rate, we need the kind of growth seen in past recoveries- 7 or 8% growth. So, why isn't it happening?
Uncertainty is one major reason. Obama talks about business as if were the enemy, and not the engine of economic growth. The threat of confiscatory taxes, under the guise of "fairness" , (which would net him exActly zero, since all businesses would have to do is incorporate in more tax friendly countries to avoid paying any taxes to this country), the threat of cap and trade, which, while stalled in congress, is being implemented through the back door by EPA, combined with stifling regulations all add up to a business climate that is unfriendly, to say the least.
Will a republican congress be able to address all of these issues? No, unless Obama actually hears the voice of the electorate. I am afraid that he will not hear the message being sent, and will, instead, believe that he has to do more damage, not less.
In other words, I don't think he gets it, and I don't think he is capable of getting it.
Quite possibly this is the MOST ignorant thing I've ever read from this nut job!
Have you ever heard of the Secret Service?
If ANYONE rushed a sitting President I would be yelling a hell of a lot more than Bravo!
Does the 'C' stand for CHUMP?
Wow, David Walker. You sound like that vicious, fat, ugly, whoring bitch, Joy Behar.
Louis J. Thanks for the humor today, we need it; that Abbott and Costello routine is one of the best. Your analogy makes as much sense as the media's spin these days. Finally, yesterday on MSNBC Jonathan Capheart (sp) spoke some truth--the polls do not make any sense this year because voters say they'll vote republican yet with the next question they prefer democrats because they believe dems support the middle class; democratic legislators have higher poll numbers than GOPers.
*** "Let’s (not) make a deal: Here’s one final point about yesterday’s Meek-Clinton news: While it doesn’t quite DIRECTLY link back to the White House, it’s just another example of how..."
Sorry MSNBC, you are not telling the truth, or else, Charlie Crist is LYING !
In a televised interview with Greta van Susteren last night, Charlie Crist said that he DID have contact with a representative of the White House. When Greta pressed him for a name, Crist was evasive. When pressed a second time, he was evasive again before trying to seize the interview as an opportunity to start attacking Marc Rubio and calling him extremist.
So who's lying...MSNBC in this article, or Charlie Crist, who appeared to answer honestly before repeatedly becoming evasive ????????????
Socialisum.
I love these people who scream Socialism. Obama's a Socialist, the Democratic Congress are Socialists, take our Country back from the Socialists.
Do any of you people who cry about our Country becoming a Socialist Country even know what Socialism is? Can you even define it? Have you ever lived in a Socialist Country? I doubt it.
Well I have.
I've lived in and worked in several Countries including Mexico. Central American Countries and especially Costa Rica.
Socialist Countries have poor at the best Health Care. Government provides a Hospital where people wait for 8 to 10 hours for help. They'll wait all day for 2 aspirin.
My best friend had a heart attack and laid on a stretcher for 2 hours with no help. He died in the waiting room. When I asked a Doctor why no one helped him he said "Well he would have probably died anyway". He shrugged his shoulders and walked away.
Doctors downthere are only are required to work 6 hours a month at a Hospital for free. You can imagine their attitude.
That's just one example of a true Socialist County. Now do you really think America has become a Socialist Country?
I don't think so.
s
CU Farley:
Someone rushing the president would certainly be restrained. But the Secret Service agents who protect the president are professionals who don't go in for head-stomping like the thugs who gravitate toward the Republican Tea Party.
"The libs on this sight are not just scared, they are terrified. Like a teenage kid that is going to get their car keys taken away."
Of what? it's an ELECTION. We have them every 2 years. I'm more amused at how quickly Conservatives have jumped to the conclusion the "permanent Republican majority" that Karl Rove boasted of is finally here. Didn't happen then, won't happen now.
"Their messiah was in office to make all things right with the world, and now it is crumbling before their eyes."
Part of the reason the "permanent Republican majority" is a mirage is that there are still thinking people about ready at a moment's notice to point out the things people aren't supposed to notice. For example that the "Messiah" smear is only used by Conservatives for a reason. It's a dog whistle term used to convince Evangelical Christians that Barack Obama is actually the Antichrist. Yes, the Right is REALLY that underhanded and that willing to take advantage of people's fears. http://o.bamapost.com/
"So what to do? Cry and whine.....accuse the republicans of being racist, money hungry war mongers, everything they can think of, but it won't help."
Which is how Conservatives define anyone who disagrees exercising their rights to free speech in the public square. Because Conservatism isn't about democracy or equality, it's about wealth and power.
CU
There were two security organizations and a police department represented at the event. If the security experts do not see it as a threat then it is not a threat. If she was tackled by security personel in route to the candidate that would be a different story. If you watch the tape the "man" who stepped on her was sending a message. He pointed down at her and yelled something. Do not let the politics prevent you from seeing this could have been any ones mother, daughter or sister. A grown "man" steps on a young lady (head, neck, shoulder doesn't matter) and some how it is ok as long as it is in the name of politics. What part of that fits into this cowards family values? I guess as long as you can convince yourself liberals are not people, citizens, Americans or human beings it is all good.
Pathetic....
California Tom.
They know not what they cry. If they did they would give up that Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, or Military Medical/commissary benefits!
Those are real Socialist Programs!
They ought to give it up or shut up!
Ignorance is bliss, for folks of their ilk!
CU, just go ahead and say...
NEIN, NEIN, NEIN, NEIN!!!
That's what you really meant. Brown shirts should only be worn to Cleveland Browns games... not to political events unless you are there to support a Cleveland canididate.
The Rent!
Is Too Damn High...
Folks:
Why are we collapsing posts?
I have yet to see a post from CU that was worth spit. Joanna Smith comes here with talking points and outright lies. There's no shortage of posters with whom I do not agree.
However, how does one argue for or against the points in a post when they have disappeared? How does one persuade another when his or her post has disappeared? How do you counter falsehoods that have disappeared?
If a post offends us, we need not read it. We can counter it. We can respond to it. We can simply agree to disagree.
Imagine the possibility of learning something new. Haven't we all changed our minds at one time or another, based on a new nugget of information?
There are only a couple of good reasons for collapsing or deleting a post. We all know the rules. Here, it is fair to say, there is no harm - or shouldn't be - for posting ignorance, or misinformation, or disinformation. No harm, no foul.
Let's use that little button judiciously.
You completely miss that the Democrats in Washington led by Obama are trying to win at all costs. If they have to throw a black democrat (Meeks) under the bus, so be it! I f they have to get in bed with a political expedient (Crist), so be it. Clinton lost his credibility a long time ago... Now this proves that he and the Democrats are using any minority or "also ran" to retain their power. This is not the Republicans or Fox News doing this... It is the Democrats!
David, the Republithugs collapse comments simply because they cannot "refudiate", understand, empathize, deal, debate, answer nor see the truth, so silence it instead...
They cannot see beyond a talking point issued by Beck or Palin...
If a Republithug is expected to moralize an issue, they grunt and growl.
Knuckle dragging because Rove did, and that action does not line up with moral characteristics.
The Rent!
Is Too Damn High...
California tom,
I will GLADLY give up my social security eligibility. Let the govt. return the money they have previously stolen from me, discontinue stealing my money from now on, and you will not here from me on this issue again.
"The libs on this sight (sic) are not just scared, they are terrified"
Really? I saw this funny bumper sticker bumper sticker the other day - "Sarah Palin in 2012 - The World's Going To End Then Anyway".
Okay, so I couldn't resist getting in a little dig at Palin - my bad. But she's actually not my point; it's the part about the world ending in 2012. I don't remember now who first came up with that date - the Mayans? Doesn't matter anyway, as I kinda doubt it's gonna happen (Palin or no Palin). I never lost any sleep over the Y2K hysteria either, and I'm not holding my breath waiting for "The Rapture".
My point is, if you believe the media, the political pundits, most Republican/Tea Party candidates and half the posters on here, you'd be convinced that next Tuesday is the new End Of The World - for Democrats. Of course, I and many others have spent the last two years trying like crazy to figure out why Republicans are so convinced the world ALREADY ended on January 20, 2009. I mean, considering all the other things this great country has been through in its past - slavery, Civil War, World Wars, the Cold War, wars against segregation, the Great Depression, the Korean and Vietnam wars, the nightmare of September 11th - whatever happens on Tuesday sort of pales by comparison doesn't it? I think we ALL need to take a deep breath, get a grip, and really look at where the country is today. Not with rose-colored glasses, but not with total blinders, either.
We don't even have to go that far back in history - let's just go back to 2008 and the fear and uncertainty and huge financial collapse that was imminent. Didn't happen. I repeat - didn't happen. Assign credit or blame for that as you choose to believe, and use your own yardstick to measure how far we've come since then - but anyone sitting here trying to maintain that we've experienced some sort of apocalypse the last two years is just as far off base as those who believe the world will end in 2012.
The world didn't end when Barack Obama became President. And it's not going to end just because Republicans win some Congressional seats on Tuesday. Seriously, people - the sky is not falling. There is no apocalyse. The world is not ending. Not in 2012, and certainly not on Tuesday.
The worst thing that can REALLY happen on November 2nd? That would be that in the greatest country in the world - just like every other year - less than half its eligible citizens take ten minutes to exercise the priceless right and privilege they have by being American citizens and don't even bother to vote.
Vote now - and avoid the rush to the NEXT "End of the World".
P.S. - A question to those of you who seem to think electing Barack Obama WAS the end of your world - if all these things you've been ranting and raving about for the last two years really meant that much to you, then.....ummmm....just where exactly were YOU on November 4, 2008? You couldn't have been at the polls, or things would have turned out quite differently. I know where I was. And I'll be there again on Tuesday.
FR,
If you didn't realize it, Jimmy Carter was booted out after one term as President. But he did leave us with record inflation and record interest rates, and hostages that were held for some 444 days in Iran.
Jimmy Carter was incompetent President, but he is a good hearted man, and I applaud his humanitarian efforts, especially "Habit for Humanity".
A SUPREME “OUCH!!!!” for Barry:
LMAO!!!!
Professor Panned Sotomayor
By JESS BRAVIN
President Barack Obama's legal mentor privately urged him not to appoint Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court last year, criticizing her intellect and warning that her style could "simply add to the firepower" of the court's conservative wing.
Laurence Tribe, a Harvard Law School professor and currently a senior official in the Justice Department, made the critique of Ms. Sotomayor in a confidential May 4, 2009, letter to the president, shortly after Justice David Souter announced his plan to retire.
Mr. Tribe said Ms. Sotomayor was "not nearly as smart as she seems to think she is, and her reputation for being something of a bully could well make her liberal impulses backfire."
The president ignored the advice and nominated Ms. Sotomayor, who was confirmed and is now in her second year on the high court.
The letter was disclosed Thursday by Ed Whelan, a conservative blogger at National Review, and Mr. Tribe confirmed it.
Good day, all. Certainly an interesting variety of posts this morning. Hard to believe that some are still defending the indefensible treatment of that young woman in Kentucky. I'm surprised there hasn't also been an echo here about Joe Miller's militia thugs handcuffing the reporter. Well, now there will be ....
Joe in Albany repeats the tired themes of the disaffected right. He ignores the lessons of history from earlier serious recessions and the Great Depression, that jobs recovery always lags. Bush NEVER replaced the more than 4 million high-quality jobs lost in the first recession of his Administration. Reagan didn't even TRY to replace the jobs lost when his deregulation, tax incentives and economic policies stimulated the massive closing of factories and businesses in the 1980's. Joe in Albany blithely ignores the fact that the Reagan-era measures set the foundation for the current crisis we're in - policies Joe wants to re-instate. Ain't gonna happen, Joe - because it was an utter FAILURE.
And Joe ignores the fact that the Obama Administration's programs have focused on solid economic growth and creating jobs within especially the small business sector. His policies at LAST address the need for America to rebuild its manufacturing base, focus on long-term capital investment, and re-invigorate American innovation addressing developing markets. He's the FIRST President since 1980 to do so.
Also, Joe ignores the Congressional Budget Office's report that Obama's emergency measures created or preserved between 1.4 and 3.3 million jobs last year. The libertarians think that didn't do anything - but ask the grocers, barbers, retail store clerks and others about how those jobs paid earnings that kept them going, too.
Ask the Mayor of Kokomo, Indiana, about the 3,500 local jobs preserved plus thousands of new ones being created right now in that city. Ask the 250,000 public and private employees around the country who got work from a short-term stimulus package that expired recently. Half of those jobs were summer positions for young people - who were not on the streets for the summer, and ask the local police or juvenile authorities whether that might have helped hometown peace and prosperity. Joe, you got no mo jo here.
Now, to the subjects raised in First Read. Down here in Central Flow-duh (that's how the natives pronounce it), last night's "breaking news" on CNN was that Bill Clinton had taken a backroom meet with Kendrick Meek to urge him to drop out, with an accompanying endorsement of Crist. Fast and furious, the confirmations came - yep, he'd done it, and through a low-level channel had gotten White House support for the move. It was a shocker, but this is not really a new tactic.
In the 1930's, a California Democratic candidate for Senate, who looked as if he might win, went so far off the rails that days before the election the Democratic Party there announced its endorsement of the Republican candidate.
In 1998, I was campaign consultant for a candidate for Washington, D.C., mayor who clearly was about to lose the race, and in an embarrassing result. I persuaded this guy - who enters EVERY election for something, this year he's also on the Senate ballot in Florida - to withdraw on the weekend before election day and endorse the D.C. statehood party mayoral candidate. In that case, it was a move to try and save my candidate's reputation, and a wasted effort indeed.
So now it's intriguing to see that today Meek claims it wasn't Clinton, but Crist who had made the suggestion. Well, it's known that Crist did make that suggestion some while back. So what's with the affirmations from Clinton, Meek and others from last night?
I think Meek and others have decided it's too much of an embarrassment (how that seems to crop up in campaigns!) to let last night's story stay as reported. After all, Clinton came here several times, including very recently, to campaign on behalf of Meek and raise money. The cynicism of doing so while deciding to try and push Crist over the top is rather breathtaking.
Personally, I agree that Meek could do this state and the country a favor by dropping out in favor of Crist (he got my vote 10 days ago). But the back-and-forth on this tale now tarnishes such a maneuver considerably. What a bloody foul-up.
As for taking on MSNBC for reporting on this, it doesn't make any sense, either. This story is ALL over the place.
Okay LouisJ, we know that what you know about politics can be written on the head of a pin. Maybe the angels will be able to read it (I'm not talking about the team in Anaheim either.) Come up with something original and not an Obama "talking point" and maybe somebody, some day will listen.
In response to a previous post;
://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2010/10/29/5372049-obama-says-most-job-losses-occurred-before-his-economic-policies-took-hold-truth-o-meter-says-true
Read the article at post above. This was rated by Politifact.com as TRUE. I am tired of the spin here that consistently claims this to be false. Stop the lies.
President Obama is doing his best to correct the problems that the previous administration has laid at his feet and all the republicans want to do or say is let's go back to that very same Agenda that caused the problems to begin with. What BS. This is a definition of being insane, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the result to be different.
proud republican-1888838
Too bad you're not in a higher tax bracket.
If you were, you already would have received your Social Security contributions back..all of them and a lot more...
No, you did not need to reach retirement age for this...
The entitlement was pushed through and called the Bush Tax cuts of 2001 and 2003.
lol
No matter what happens on Tuesday it's hilarious looking at the lib posts on here. They seem to come it three categories:
Desperate rationalizations
Childish schoolyard taunts
Outright rabid personal attacks
Anyhoo, I voted early to avoid the Black Panther intimidators.
Don't forget my little libbies: Vote and vote often. Acorn can help you with that. lol
This just proves Exactly what the Democrats are all about..they want Black and hispanic people voting for them but they dont want them in any kind of Power...
they want to keep all them in Economic slavery ... the proof is in the pudding.. Send a white man to Florida.. To get the Black man out of the race.. So the White man can beat the Hispanic man... Go figure..
Meeks wasn't, and isn't, going to win this election. He can "win" by being a team player. This talking point is stale and illogical.
I see from 1.30 that even now, as Republicans are on the crest of what's been expected to be a wave election for at least a year thanks to a sour economy, the politics of personal destruction continue. This along with the continued Republican drumbeat that they get everything the want or nothing only confirms that Conservatives don't want to GOVERN, they want to RULE. They have no interest in our democracy other than the power they can get from it. If you question whether that is indeed their plan evidence is readily available. The White House is falling into a trap if they believe the Conservative Movement sees this as anything but a fight to the death ending in one party rule.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/should-the-gop-be-willing-to-compromise-if-they-win-in-november/question-1305383/
http://web001.commondreams.org/headline/2010/10/28-1
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/125383-republicans-say-compromise-not-on-the-agenda
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2612645/posts
http://www.jedreport.com/2010/10/gop-if-we-win-there-will-be-no.html
Once all you liberal sheep get slaughtered on Tuesday I hope you will finally shut up and turn your computers off. Go look for a job like many of your useless dumocraps will be doing.
And thank god for the scroll mechanism so I can just jump over the BS the same heard post in here everyday. No need to read it anymore.
Great analogy but lets not forget the first Abbott and Costello skit was actually in Colorado this year with Tancredo and Maes. That was hilarious radio! Could not have written a script any better than that. Any time a Faux News bobblehead writes on these posts it comes down to "Stupid is as stupid does". Stick to Faux News.
My now people have made up their minds. They are either voting Democrat because they believe they are the better option, or Republican. There really isnt much purpose in the swaying arguments. People who are undecided at this point are undecided because they dont follow politics, they will make up their mind in the voting booth if they chose to vote at all.
Personally im voting Republican for a few different reasons- i think it will be a pretty big swing numbers and hopefully the Congress gets some balance back to it. One party rule is not a good thing IMHO.
I gather from all the spin and twisting that the Republicans will win... but I also gather that the electorate view them way less appealing than Democrats... Great...
On top of all the double speak after Tuesday, the chambers will be back to work to finish the legislation that has taken a back seat to the elections. The legislations will be passed before any "new" Legislators take their seats which will make it easy to say NEIN since they will be twiddling their DO NOTHING thumbs.
They cannot disrupt the president's agenda simply because he is always 10 steps ahead of them. The Republithug TEA Party wish to dismantle the country just to stop President Obama from being elected in 2012.
They need to deal with the current problems instead of disrupt. They believe they have Tuesday sown up but are realizing they have awakened the Progressive electorate that see the disaster they would create. A disaster example is Christine O'Donnell... nuff said.
The Rent!
Is Too Damn High...
We haven't had one party rule yet. The SCOTUS is one of the three co-equal branches of government, it leans right. The Senate is run by the minority in the absence of a super-majority, the rule 22 fake filibuster gives control to the Republicans. The House is rightly in Democratic hands.
Another narrative created by MSNBC to keep the thinking people on their toes… this time it's a candidate who was supposed to do this because a candidate said this about a former president saying this because they thought that and now this is going to happen because of that which is a result of that being this…
Dude, Louis, cut down on using 'this', it's hard to follow after the first three man.
Excuses, excuses.
But dude, it's the truth... and with this type of messaging
The Rent!
Is Too Damn High...
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"The House is rightly in Democratic hands."
For the next 59 days.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW, Paul, did you hear that Darth Cheney admitted to being in on the Lindberg baby kidnapping and to instigating the Jap's sneak attack on Pearl Harbor and the steering of hurricane Katrina over the poorest sections of New Orleans??
This guy in my office who is a Progressive (aka, Commie) came in yesterday complaining.
I said, what's wrong?
He said, It's not fair!
I said, what's not fair?
He said, The NBA is discriminating against me. I only make 17K a year and Michael Jordan makes millions, I am only 5'3" and Michael Jordan is 6'10", it's just not fair, the Government should do something!
I said, What?
He said, I dunno, maybe they should cut some of Michael Jordan's legs off and graft them on to mine so that we could be equal... The Government should do something!
I said, get away from me creep, you smell like Reid!
My oh my! What situational ethics you libs display with such breathtaking hypocrisy. If Meek were a republican who was asked to drop out by the party heavyweights, the uproar from the left would be ginormous. I can hear it now, "the racist republicans lynched they're candidate for senate, ignoring the will of the people". Hey libs, why no outrage at the union goons who rough-up anyone that is counter to their ideology? Yet you glam on to a few extremely isolated (and yes embarrassing) incidents as the norm for the TPM, even though the overwhelming evidence is completely contrary to the image the left portrays of the movement. Your self righteous, elitist, attitudes are beyond galling to the 80% of us who are the true pulse of America. Enjoy yourselves next Tuesday, I know I will be.
This may be the dumbest talking point you guys have ever rolled out.
There is no way in the world that the MSM is in the pocket of the Republicans. The MSM has been in the pocket of the White House ever since Obama came into office and continues to cover it's eyes and ignore the warning signs and red flags that this administration flies on a daily basis. These people are crazy and need to go.
Today I had to put my lovely English Cocker Spaniel to sleep her name was Branble Hill Misty - she was ten years of age and her kidneys were failing let me ask you do I really give a crap with your goddam stupid BS - somewhere in this world we know what's is important my beautiful dog or your BS - I will take my dog over you any day - and all of you may I ask you when are we not connected with a mourning of our wonderful pets - are we not one ? Just a question?
Misty is in a better place, but she probably is missing you. Dogs are sweet, it is a pity they lead such short lives.
Here is the Republican/Tea Party game plan for the next two years. No difference than the last two except that now they are throwing it in the face of America. President Obama has been trying from day one to get the republicans involved with the rebuilding of America after the dismal performance of the Bush Administration to no avail. My question is how do you get help and/or support from a party (the republicans) that has made the decision long before President Obama was even sworn into office to be the Obstructionist Party?? I have spoken out about the hypocrisy of the republicans in their rhetoric (what they say they are for/support) not matching up with their deeds (how they vote on bills that address what they say they support).
“Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
Comment: Shortly before this, Boehner was talking how working together was important for this country to solve its problems.
“Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
Read the entire article @: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44311.html#ixzz13hiJjeVI
“No American who has been faithfully putting forth his best effort in his own free will doing what he or she loves has ever died in vain. This not only includes our soldiers, marines and sailors, but also our lost brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers who died in enemy attacks or even just in the course of their normal lives. The only ones who have ever died or will ever die in vain are the ones who die trying to destroy what this country is. I plan on keeping it that way”. – Author Unknown
I found this quote on a blog and the author was not identified other than he/she is a Veteran. From where I sit it is my opinion that we are in a war of sorts. Not conventional guns and bombs war, no killing or maiming, but a war where the Middle Class is fighting for their very right to exist and live the “American Dream”.
Why would a political party be so brazen as to basically tell the American People that what they want is more important than what you want??
There is little to no doubt now that the republicans and their supporters – Wall Street, Big Business and the wealthy are going to trash the fabric of this country merely for political gain, greed and power. The proof is all around us like a heavy stench. Tell me one thing the Republican Party has done for the America in the last 20 months.
The next two years are going to be hell. The republican/tea party wants to do NOTHING and we the democrats cannot do it all alone. Gridlock and a totally dysfunctional system for the near future.
Latest numbers put the republicans with 83% chance to take over the House and the democrats have about the same % to keep the Senate. So come January we will have a House controlled by the Republicans and the Senate by the democrats. I have no real problem with that in of itself as long as America moves forward. But when one party stands up as basically tell me and the American People to go to he!!, that we are somehow not relevant and part of their “Great Society”, I now have a problem and so should you.
US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired
Why would a political party be so brazen as to basically tell the American People that what they want is more important than what you want??
Excellent post and a very pertinent question, Navy
Following the money will answer that question; I think.
Excellent post, US Navy. How sad that too many people fail to hear the words of Boehner, McConnell, Pence, Cantor telling all Americans that only the rrepublican base matters, only republicans' will must prevail--no compromise, obstruct, block, whatever it takes to make President Obama a one-term president. And in the process, destroy this country by doing nothing to solve the economic problems or the ones that have been pushed aside for decades.
Gee, Navy, I don't know. Why did your party ignore the will of the electorate, ram a rejected agenda down our throats, and then wonder why they stand to lose their seats?
I thought it was because they were in the thrall of Obama, but I could be wrong.
You are the democrat- you tell us. Why did the Democrats ignore the electorate?
From NYT Paul Krugman: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/29/opinion/29krugman.html?_r=3&ref=opinion
Also just saw on MSNBC that the preliminary report on the DADT study finds that our soldiers do not have a problem with repealing DADT. This should now move getting rid of DADT more likely. I am sure the republicans will try and stop this again, but now we have the results of the report (to be released in Dec.) that brings us into the 21st century similar to the rest of the military world.
No one ignored the electorate, all the shouting and violence by the Brown Shirts and the cheering of these actions by the Republithug TEA Party drowned out the civil debate of any legislation that was passed...
Republithugs and the rest of the TEA Drinkers that condone the violence and continue to pursue any conflict instead of debate will become the butt of the pundit jokes... when the MSM realize that you guys are truly unelectable, after all the fawning and adoration, the party will go away with the few fringe left still shouting, kicking and stomping...
The electorate allowed the Republithugs to throw their little tantrum, knowing that it would be your undoing...
Have you guys grown up yet? No... in your words...
NEIN, NEIN, NEIN, NEIN!!!
The Rant and Rent!
Is Too Damn High...
no joe, no bo, nj
Gee, Navy, I don't know. Why did your party ignore the will of the electorate, ram a rejected agenda down our throats, and then wonder why they stand to lose their seats?
GEE No Jo are you talking about Obama or Reagan, because your statement could be ment for reagan just as much as Obama. every president come in with his adgenda, that nothing new, Reagans was to screw everybody he could kind of like the way he did california, Obamas is to try and help every he can the same way he did in springfield IL.
i must ask you once again, Health care reforms provision that children can't be denied health care for pre-existing conditions, i know your family is very happy that your granddaughter will never have to worry about being denied health Care,
God Bless her.
Admittedly, the Democrats have not "stood up" and told us to go to hell. They just get behind closed doors and decide with partisan uninanimity to send us there.
Not much mention in the Media what will occur when all the INDEPENDANTS come out to vote ! NO PARTY AFFILIATION receives little or no attention or respect in TWO PARTY elections....
Be prepared for a huge surprise
MICHAEL E. ARTH for FLORIDA GOVERNOR
" President Obama has been trying from day one to get the republicans involved with the rebuilding of America after the dismal performance of the Bush Administration to no avail"
I cant agree with that statement. The President has been just as guilty as every other politician for playing games and politicing.
I dont think the President has been awful, but he sure isnt what he said he was going to be. Hasnt been transparent (still had plent of closed door items), Hasnt been wholey-truthful (Didnt let people review bills before signing, you can keep your doctor if you like it etc, he wasnt very truthful but no politican is), hasnt brought a spirit of Unity to anything (calling people who disagree with him uneducated for all intensive purposes, calling people who disagree with him enemies, NEVER accepts responsibility and is always pointing a finger at someone).
I dont think hes doing a great job, but its not god-awful either. I just wish he would be what he said he was going to be, but apparently once he was in power, he didnt feel the need to do those things consistantly.
My republican votes this Tuesday arent a referendum on him personally, they are a referendum on the democrats, especially of NE OH.
Q: What's the difference between Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?
A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers and threats to
society. The other is for housing prisoners.
Q: What was the most positive result of the "Cash for clunkers"
program?
A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road.
Q: What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A: A fund raiser. (Isn't Soros a convicted felon?)
Do you just cut and paste this same tired crap in every day?
The libs wanted to make Bush a one term president as well.
Navy, I've got to say you've evolved into a pretty accomplished propagandist and smear merchant.
Kudos.
Question: How do you confuse a liberal?
Answer: You don’t, they are born that way
Must be that new gene they are talking about
Question: How many chromosomes does a Liberal have?
Answer: Only 45, they are missing the “Truth Acceptance Chromosome.”
Between the two, maybe we found the problem??
Question: What is the difference between Liberalism and Communism?
Answer: The Communist admit it.
Question: What is a sure way to teach a Liberal to fetch?
Answer: Tie Bill Clinton’s or Obama's picture to a stick and throw it.
Question: How can you tell a group of Liberals?
Answer: They are the ones burning the Constitution
Question: How much does a Liberal cost?
Answer: Nothing, Liberals have no values.
A new york appartment for rent:70'000$ annually
Two foreign wars:3 Trillion $
Getting a republican to do anything: priceless
Anyone that thinks that there is even 1 politician in Washington that is doing anything for the people of this country are living in a fantasy world. Washington looks at the tax payers as ATM's and are only concerned with keeping their seat in Washington. There is no more "for the people by the people of the people". Todays politician's don't work for us, they work for themselves. Some people will believe anything.
"You can fool some of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time."
Let's not make it any easier for them folks.
How do you know when a politician is lying, their mouth is moving.
We need term limits on ALL elected seats in America, we don't need anyone to hold a office for 47 years. Political office is suppose to be a civic duty not a career.
Simply put McKonnell is an A-Holl check his wive's credentialls with what she did - Elaine Chahou - probably mispelled but she was their to decimate her job what a joke
Follow the Money
How The ‘US’ Chamber Uses Its Money To Pay Pundits, Manipulate Google, And Create Fake News Outlets
Fleishman-Hillard VP Pat Cleary says says he works closely with conservative bloggers through RedState. Other Chamber lobbyists collaborate routinely with conservative bloggers through the Heritage Foundation’s Bloggers Briefing to help get the message out for business lobbyists. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce Fleishman-Hillard VP Pat Cleary posts on the Chamber’s blog, and says he works closely with conservative bloggers through RedState. Other Chamber lobbyists collaborate routinely with conservative bloggers through the Heritage Foundation’s Bloggers Briefing to help get the message out for business lobbyists.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/28/thinkprogress-media-chamber/
Crime Pays
NPR reports that through an organization called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), that the private-prison industry helped shape the bill. NPR reports the Corrections Corporation of America sees incarcerating large numbers of undocumented immigrants as its next big market, providing “a significant portion of our revenues. Shame on the headless Governor Brewer.
Complex Multifaceted Tools
Inmates have been running the asylum since that amiable dunce, george Bush stole 2 elections. Weirdos should not govern. America; and ignorant voices should not elect them.
Tea baggers want to repeal this millennium; not just constitutional amendments !!!. To remove the department of education in lieu of home schooling indicates just how dumb Tea Baggers are in living in the past. Certainly, this a doomsday prediction since the Tea baggers want to take American society politically, socially, and religiously back to the era before Jesus Christ.
If President Bill Clinton urged Florida Senate candidate Kendrick Meek to get out of the race, how is that any different from Sarah Palin tryin to save Joe Miller in Alaska?
Come back to the 21st century; TBs
Bev; Right on. We here a lot on this board about facts.
The republicans have opposed virtually every job creation bill - fact
The oppose Health Care Reform and Financial Reform, not because these are bad bills but because the republican party has been bought and paid for by "Special Interest Groups" like the US Chamber of Commerce, American Crossroads and a bevy of others. They are responding to their sugar daddy's agenda, not America's - fact
They opposse Unemployment extensions calling these people Hobo's, unclean, lazy, mentally challenged etc. - fact
They blocked Disclosure, virtually allowing Big Business and undocumented money (Foreign and Domestic) to buy elections - fact
They opposed the National Defense Bill putting our military in harms way - fact
The opposed the 9/11 First Responders Bill - fact
They opposed DADT and Dream Act - fact
And over 400 additional bills, all blocked by the republicans - fact
This is just a partial list. The republican party is playing on the fear and anger of the American People. They know people in this mind set react emotionally, not always in their own best interest.
It is a big chess game and we the Middle Class are the pawns to be sacrificed at will.
US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired
Bev; Right on. We here a lot on this board about facts.
Some how I think these facts are waking up the electorate. An example of that is the way Cristine O'Donnell is being rejected. Now it's Joe Miller in Alaska.
If we keep presenting the facts, more people will think before they vote for a doomsday scenario Tuesday.
BTW: the Tea Baggers really looked out of touch on Lawrence O'Donnel show last night. They had no idea how government works and couldn't name not one program they'd cut.
The Republican leadership has dumbed down their base by getting them all riled up with "talking points" which they react to by screaming, yelling and stomping on the head of anyone with an opposing position!
Kinda' gives a new meaning to 'enthusiasm'! SAD
In their world, violence equates to enthusiasm!
Well said, Beverly. America has been dumbed down by the GOP with their relentless democrats are "elite", awful to be intelligent, wouldn't voters rather have a beer with a candidate than have that candidate be intelligent and capable of running the country or writing legislation in Congress.
I also saw Lawrence's interview with the four chairs of various TP groups. This is how incurious they are--all four said that social security and medicare are not socialist programs and as Lawrence pointed out--they are good socialism, that democratic government is a mix of various ideologies. With one exception, none understood how Government works or had a clue about how eliminating the programs they want to would have minimal impact on govt spending. Fascinating, but to their credit, all four said the 1st Amendment establishes separation of church and state.
Ah, the American dream. Put something that's your opinion on a blog and call it a "fact" and all of a sudden it's true. Don't worry a bit about presenting any proof. Afterall, these people disagree with the Prez Dude and are, therefore, guilty.
Jody, Iowa
-all four said that social security and medicare are not socialist programs and as Lawrence pointed out--they are good socialism, that democratic government is a mix of various ideologies. With one exception, none understood how Government works or had a clue about how eliminating the programs they want to would have minimal impact on govt spending. Fascinating, but to their credit, all four said the 1st Amendment establishes separation of church and state.
Yes, it was just as enlightening as fascinating to see a bunch of hyped up cluess Tea Bagger leaders who don't even know what they stand for!!! Well, at least the righties now have a definition for socialism. But, will they accept the facts?
If the Tea Baggers win, America loses.
I agree with about half of those oppositions to bills. I realize that most people here are liberal democrats, im not. Im also not a conservative republican. Just because you dont agree with the President or the progressive agenda - does not mean your a teabagging, head stomping, rhetoric spewing moron. You can feel free to think that, but you only show your ignorance in that silly broad generalization.
I would imagine people like me are more in the majority than liberals- the whole one party rule is bad for the country. You end up with fringes making decisions for the masses. Neither party actually cares about you or me, they care about your vote. If you beleive differently, i guess we will agree to diagree.
When you have 1 party rule, they dont care about what people want, they WILL just ram through their agenda - HCR is a good case in point - few people will logically argue against some kind of HCR, its just the HCR that was rammed through was kinda crap with people voting and not even reading the bill, just voting because a party told them too.
With only 2 parties that could care less about you, i want balance- so we dont end up with what we have had for the past 2 years. I want republicans to win back either the house or senate simply to level the playing field so the fringe no longer can dictacte the whole agenda.
"In a radio interview that aired Monday on Univision, President Obama chided Latinos who 'sit out the election instead of saying, We're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.' Quite a uniter, urging Hispanics to go to the polls to exact political revenge on their enemies - presumably, for example, the near-60 percent of Americans who support the new Arizona immigration law.
This from a president who won't even use "enemies" to describe an Iranian regime that is helping kill U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. This from a man who rose to prominence thunderously declaring that we were not blue states or red states, not black America or white America or Latino America - but the United States of America.
This is how the great post-partisan, post-racial, New Politics presidency ends - not with a bang, not with a whimper, but with a desperate election-eve plea for ethnic retribution."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/28/AR2010102806270.html
I'm not sure even Nixon publicly declared the other party "enemies". I have always thought Obama was a good guy personally. His politics suck , but a decent man. Now I'm thinking differently. He's an arrogant jerk more and more, it seems. "Enemies?" I guess we ARE his enemies for standing in the way of his socialist agenda.
Turns out, the "uniter" may just be another Al "Pimp Daddy" Sharpton, with his dividing and race baiting.
You are "enemies" because you have supported the sabotage of this country for fifty years.
Wasn't Dubya supposed to be a uniter and not a divider?
At least, that's what he told us.
Why are Republicans so damn sensitive?
Why do Republicans assume that "the enemy" is them?
Is it because they have gone around for two years calling the President names, accusing him of treason, and working to see him fail?
If the President is so irrelevant, why is every word out of his mouth so impactful to Republicans?
Why won't Bill and the other "faux conservatives" at First Read take "personal responsiblity" for the fact that the Republican Party and the "corporate people" have sucked this country dry and still refuse to say they are sorry or write a thank you note for the nice fat bailouts we all gave them?
All we get is more whining about how "uncertain" they all feel.
What a bunch of lying punks.
How's that for civility, Bill? :o)
It is just another example of Obama's willingness to exploit people, Bill.
He has not even introduced an immigration bill, yet he claims he is being thwarted by the minority party.
He is actively fighting a federal court ruling overturning DADT, yet claims he wants to overturn it.
He filed a brief in support of DOMA as one of his first acts as president, yet claims he supports equal rights.
He talks a lot, but most of what he says is not worth listening to, as it is made up of blather, baloney, and outright lies.
Wow, there's some grouchy folks here today. Must be because of the stress brought on by impending political doom.
Well, Bill, there is clip after clip of Pres Obama using the word "terrorist", calling out "enemies". Republicans are not the enemy, laws like SB1070 are the enemy because they undermine civil rights of every person, legal or illegal.
And as for No Joe, I used to read her comments but now I skip them because they are regurgitated nonsense from day to day--attack President Obama, call him names, psychoanalyze, or denigrate him in some way. They are simply tiresome and wishful thinking--say it enough and it must be true but only to the one who says it.
Bill, Fairfax VA
Wow, there's some grouchy folks here today. Must be because of the stress brought on by impending political doom.
Well, as ususal, ol' ME FIRST Bill gets it wrong. Yes- there are plenty of agitated (uh, 'grouchy') folks here today. However- it's not because of the stress of the impending elecions themseves, but the stress of being able to seei the furhter damage that may very well befall what was once the greatest nation on earth in the aftermath of those elecitons.
As an independent I can tell you. In politics turning the other cheek doesn't work. The minority never stopped attacking, if you get stabbed the guy holding the other end of the knife is usually your enemy. I am not saying he shouldn't have opposition, but to expect the President who has been attacked over and over again to just smile and let it happen is foolish.
If the so-called bigots on the right ever characterized blacks or Hispanics or any other group as "enemies" there would be hell to pay. But when the President of the United States uses that kind of language, the left doesn't bat an eye. And if the right included the idea to "punish" those enemies in their remarks, the roar from the left about evil brown shirted thugs targeting the innocent would be deafening. What a crock.
Sure Bill, but that's just because of the Liberal MSMs double-standard in not reporting Obama's hatred. But the MSM is no longer needed to convey the news, and many people in the country are taking note of Obama's erratic and desperate behavior, and they are not impressed. The Hopey/Changey President has turned into this whiny complainer who blames the problems of the country on everyone but himself. And this intellectually empty "Car in the ditch" comedy routine Obama is using on the stump, does he have to dumb it down to that level so his liberal base has any chance in understanding what he's trying to talk about?
Much of this erratic behavior by Obama, as well as his record of "achievement", is what is driving people to the pols to vote against Obama's supporters in Congress this coming Tuesday. It's a little different now with Obama, this is the first time in his life he's had to defend his record, and it's not going well for him. Not well at all.
However- it's not because of the stress of the impending elecions themseves, but the stress of being able to seei the furhter damage that may very well befall what was once the greatest nation on earth in the aftermath of those elecitons drive-by-observer says.
Personally, I still believe and will continue to believe after Tuesday that this is STILL and shall remain the greatest nation on this Earth. Maybe if you actually stopped and observed what was going on here rather than continuing on your merry way you would be able to see.
JoAnnaSmith1
If the so-called bigots on the right ever characterized blacks or Hispanics or any other group as "enemies" there would be hell to pay. But when the President of the United States uses that kind of language, the left doesn't bat an eye. And if the right included the idea to "punish" those enemies in their remarks, the roar from the left about evil brown shirted thugs targeting the innocent would be deafening. What a crock.
How do you and Bill, Fairfax VA, come off with such righteousness spin?
You people call the President everything but a child of God. Glenn Beck says it daily as well as the rest of the FOX NATION.
In that case since "enemy" has been so well defined by you people the President is correct.
OK, bboomer, I'll back it up a bit, and say 'this great nation' instead of using 'this ONCE...' in my description.
But- is it so wrong to want to see it be a 'BETTER' nation?
It took ya'll a while to figure it out, but it turns out that Bill, no joe, and JoAnna have mastered the "back pat" they once complained so vociferously about.
lol
Nobody spins fiction better than you folks . . . seriously it's like a Master's Level class in bullsh!t here on the daily! ;o)
Is it a good idea for the president to let his enemies sit in the back seat?
Please, gov'nor, a right at the next election please?
Heck Richard, I'm still wondering why the President is giving ya'll a ride at all?
Seriously.
Last night I found myself thinking about the 1983 movie “Trading Places”, in which Ralph Bellamy and Don Ameche play members of the investor class who made their money the old fashioned way…they inherited it. The two brothers live with all the trappings that accrue to that position and are men of taste and class. They reside in separate wings of the family mansion, are chauffeured in a Rolls Royce, and throughout their day are surrounded with walnut paneling, fine cigars, and the best food.
Shortly before Christmas they give their most trusted house servant his Christmas bonus. With a big smile he thanks them. “Five dollars! Maybe I’ll go to a movie…” he beams. Turning away he ads to no one in particular “…by myself.” I’m sure a lot of us are going to feel the same way this year as we get our raise of below the inflation rate. Or none at all. For the third, fifth, or tenth year in a row. The bosses will have a better Christmas http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38935053/ns/business-us_business/ but of course we should feel lucky to have a job because a lot of people don’t. People on the Pacific Rim do, but not Americans. http://www.commondreams.org/video/2010/10/15-0
It’s a boring life for the two brothers, though, so for sport they set up a little class warfare between the bottom of the economic ladder and those a little more fortunate in life. They become bitter enemies, each blaming the other for his position. Meanwhile the partners in the firm give a suitcase full of anonymous money to the government in order to provide them with some access no one else has and look the other way while the fleece everyone else in the “free market”. http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/11/republicans-wall-street/
The whole thing would’ve worked, too, if the guys farther down the economic food chain hadn’t figured out what was going on. To me it sounds a lot less like fantasy these days, I little more like something that’s uncomfortably close. I wonder what those brothers have been up to lately? http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=1
I remember that movie, good analogy John B.
Two trading places I'd like to see are Meg Whitman working as a maid, and Linda McMahon working for the minimum wage; they both (and others) need to walk in the shoes of people whose lives are often a struggle.
Yessir... the only thing worse than a greedy Republithug is two greedy Republithugs...
People in ice water want hell and that's the TEA Baggers.
The Rent!
Is Too Damn High...
What any of you anti-capitalists failed to mention was the end of the movie. When the two victims were somewhere in the tropics, one on a beach the other on a boat, drinking pina coladas or something similar. Makes one wonder who exactly are the bad guys or greedy capitalists in this movie?
As far as Meg Whitman and Linda McMahon trading with their people. They are the employers who allow people like Nikki and the WWE wrestlers (who are far above minimum wage as entertainers) make money.
How many people have you, John B, Des Moines; Jody, Iowa; or LouisJ put on the payroll or compensated for work done? There are people out there who are in hell but only want a job.
bboomer, I have no problem with Capitalism, it's unregulated greed that I have a problem with. I suppose as a Conservative you would have a problem with people who are on the lower rungs knocking off the guys at the top. It upsets your intrinsic sense of how the social order should be.
And my payroll has increased by 20 since the end of May. Thanks for asking.
Sounds like you're doing well John. Have you been sending in a little extra each quarter to help the administration get over the hump?
What have the Republicans done for the Middle Class in the last 2 years? 4 years? 6 years? 8 Years?
In the political world, I’ve come to realize as the years go on that the only people in this country worth a damn are the activists – those who want equality for all; those who want to see no one discriminated against, regardless of the situation. Those who ask that the government stay out of their personal lives on decisions involving painful personal decisions.
They want to see people be able to afford health care. Everybody. Not just the politicians and rich.
The Republican politicians running for office. You can’t even ask these tea bag candidates a question. If you do, you get a boot stomped on your head or handcuffed or slapped.
From all I have been able to understand, the Republicans are going to make huge gains this year because of the economy. Why Americans choose to vote for politicians who have no intention of lifting a finger to help them is beyond me. John Boehner said to his base – We will not compromise on our principals.
What principals? When have the Republicans ever had principals? They voted NO on everything from the stimulus to help for small businesses. They voted NO on helping out the auto workers. They voted no on health care reform.
And now we have tea bag candidates who are supposed to stand for what? I don’t know. All I hear them talk about is how this group of people is bad, that group of people are bad. If you aren’t a religious phony, they have no use for you. Their hateful sentiments are directed toward their fellow Americans.
Rachel, don’t ever give up. You are a national treasure. As is Keith and Ed and Lawrence.
Keep fighting back despite what is said of you. You are right. All four of you. The Republican candidates are for themselves only and their extreme positions.
http://www.harryreid.com/ee/index.php/news/release/new_tv_ad_sharron_angles_nevada_a_dangerous_scary_place
Sharron Angle dismissed America's 6.8 million long-term unemployed citizens as having been "spoiled" by government "entitlement" and repeatedly insists: "As your US Senator, I'm not in the business of creating jobs."
In Sharron Angle’s Nevada, there are no background checks to catch sex offenders working with children because Angle voted against them in the state Legislature. In Sharron Angle’s Nevada, seniors are on their own because Angle wants to kill Social Security.
In Sharron Angle’s Nevada, more people would die needlessly because she doesn’t believe insurance companies should have to cover basic preventive care like mammograms or colonoscopies.
In fact, Sharron Angle’s Nevada is so extreme and so dangerous that Nevada’s economic hole would be even deeper because she believes it's not her job to create jobs or help struggling Nevadans.
And despite the lies, spin and distractions by the Angle campaign, the reason Nevadans know what Sharron Angle’s Nevada looks like is simple: she's articulated her extreme and dangerous agenda herself, in her very own words.
“I guess if I had her extreme positions, I would probably want to hide from reporters too. But if decoys and lies are all Angle has to offer as a candidate, just imagine the disaster she would be if she actually became a US Senator," said Reid campaign spokesman Jon Summers. “If Sharron Angle had her way, Social Security would be gone, background checks to keep sex offenders from working with our children would be no more, and Nevadans would be denied basic screenings to prevent cancer. Sharron Angle’s Nevada is one that our state’s families cannot afford.”
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The GOP in office i.e., John Boehner/Mitch McConnell/John McCain, have done nothing. Nothing. And now these tea bag candidates aren’t running for office to fix the economy. They’re running to make this country a far right extremist country.
It has been a white wash. The Republican Party haven't a clue what to do. If they did, they would have done something by now.
They never wanted to. That was their choice.
They said NO to the American people over and over and over. Just to get elected. And do what when elected?
Help the rich. And who knows. Maybe try to start another war. That is something you can always get a Yes on with them.
They're wimps.
I'll take the progressive activists. Who stand for something, like
The American worker. Dignity. Equality. Freedom. Affordable health care. And peace.
For all.
So, yesterday, republicans were murderers and nazis, but today you are all warm and fuzzy inside? Seriously. You are like a SNL parody of a bleeding heart liberals. You're like that idiot on here yesterday that said "there's a need for unions until GREED is wiped out." That's how ridiculous you people are. You want to somehow eradicate certain human emotions and characteristics. Maybe you can do away with jealousy and sadness Pat! What a great world it would be!
Greed would exist as a motivator even if you regulated the benefits of it down to near zero at the upper end.
Pat;
Nice post to end the week and move into election week.
Latest pundits say that the republicans will control the house and the democrats will control the Senate. Now lets see what the republicans will do in the next two years.
We now know what we all suspected that the republicans had an obstructionist agenda before President Obama even was sworn into office. Both Boehner and McConnell are now on record basically saying their sole function in life for the next two years is to destroy President Obama. They do not give a dam@ about the American people at all. To even remotely claim they are for the 98% of American People is an outright lie. If you really care about America why do you pubically go on the record saying you will not be a part of any solution that will help America. None, zero, nana.
In my opinion this is totally repugnant and we the people are paying for it.
Wall Street, Big Business, etc wins, the Middle Class becomes their slaves.
US Navy, I am looking at about 6 races. Looks like I'm in good shape with the "D's" winning, as of today anyway. This isn't going to be a wipe out like we've been led to believe for a year and a half now.
I'll be GettingOTV all weekend. Vice President Biden will be close to my home tomorrow so I'm looking forward to listening to a sane honest person.
Dick Cheney he's not. Thank goodness for that.
Everybody - GOTV!!!!!!
Hey, Pat? The electorate voted no on all those issues, as well.
Did not want HCR. Did not want the stimulus bill. Understood that the "small business bill" would more honestly have been entitled "the community bank takeover bill".
A little, tiny minority of far left liberal ideologues wanted these things, and got them. As a consequence, you lose the House, and the Senate gets really, really tight.
That is what is happening, Pat. The voice of the electorate, rejecting Obama's agenda, in the way the Founders provided.
Pat, Boston, MA
In fact, Sharron Angle’s Nevada is so extreme and so dangerous that Nevada’s economic hole would be even deeper because she believes it's not her job to create jobs or help struggling Nevadans.
Excellent and right to the point Pat; another reason why the GOPTP SHOULD NOT be voted in.
Don't forget Cristine O' Donnell can't do anything for the middle class either since she couldn't say what she cut in the budget because she doesn't have the budget in front of her. She says she is not running for County Council; but she is running for what the people of delaware want. Talk about clueless!!
If one watches the video one should notice her snapping fingers to summon one of goons. Whew, I thought he was gonna take out the talk show host.
Then I thought maybe she just needed an answer to the question. LOL
http://poetv.com/video.php?vid=86021
Karl Rove is not a fan of Christine O'Donnell either.
Beverly, I DID see Christine O'Donnell snap her fingers at her lap dog. Incredible. But hey, when you have an ignorant war monger in your back pocket (Sean Hannity), you get to feel as if you are entitled.
What I noticed about Ms. O'Donnell was that she attempted to be a carbon copy of Sarah Palin. Evidently that didn't go over too well, what with the winking and all. And didn't Palin tell her to go on Fox Propaganda only?
Just goes to show you what people think of Palin. Which isn't much.
Sharron Angle doesn't want to go on a "progressive" tv cable station. What's that all about? Is she afraid of being challenged with you know, actual questions? Shouldn't she be challenged?
Evidently republicans don't think so. That's why they're so ignorant. They get a free pass by everybody on the radio, CNN and Fox.
Excellent, Pat. When a political party does not believe in Government, it cannot govern effectively because it does not recognize the need for Government.
If a person does not believe in ones self, the person cannot achieve. If a party does not believe in Government, it cannot achieve good and successful Government.
NJ
When was that vote held? If you say Nov. 2nd you will instantly lose all credibility.
Well said Jody.
And to those who do not believe in government will be the first to keep all their government perks. It can be very expensive. But they'll keep all that is given to them on a silver platter. We'll pay for it. The taxpayers. Of course.
Keep taking from us GOP. While you all live in luxury. On our dime.
Sharron Angle IS I assume going to accept her government paycheck and private car, health care, air fare and everything else if she wins. Right?
She is so full of it. An out and out liar. Extremist. Hypocrite.
Angles' husband is a retired Fed, so she is already enjoying her government/socialized medical coverage!
True hypocrit! I got mine, you can't have any!
Pat, Boston: Standing O!
Yes, nothing more hypocritcal than pointing out the hypocrisy of wanting to take over something you claim can never work, isn't that so, chilled? We realize projection is a regular feature of Conservative talk, but at least try to keep it subtle. It works better that way.
When you people slam the Tea Party or Republicans do you even know what your talking about.
News flash - not all Republicans are rich, far from it, but you lump them all into one.
I like coming to FR and read the comments, some are very insightful and every now and then I come across one that really makes me think, and feel all is not lost. That's why I come here. Lately, I think some of you have lost sight (this is not a pissing contest) if your trying to educate, inspire or express you opinions that's fine.
But attacking people, calling names and only want your opinion to be heard is embarrassing. Pat from Boston, Fesity, Bev in Chicago - you guys need a time out.
You can agree to disagree but to claim that your side is right, the only way to go, and if not we are doomed is just wrong.
With Justis for All! Ok, now go ahead and attack.
Ummm... I believe the word you were looking for is JUSTICE!
Thanks for reinforcing my beliefs about tea baggers! lmao
BTW: NO time out for me... I'm going to attempt to educate the low information voters...thank you very much! ;0)
Thanks for the correction. A little to easy, wasn't it?
Feisty, is that what gets you off? What a miserable person you are. I came here to educate myself on issues. To get both sides. And here you are like clock work insulting anyone you can per usual, what a poor excuse of a person you are.
You need to get laid.
FOAD :)
Maybe it's this guy. http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/cf-archive-bin/236-where-they-now-justus-thigpen.html Man, I used to love watching him on the court. Always seemed like a very decent guy, too.
Pat - Kudo's to you for your beliefs and convictions and drive to stand by them. I commend you for that.
I also completely disagree with the liberal progressives and personally try to fight them, and their opposits the right-wing conservatives tooth and nail.
I dont want either fringe calling the shots and will do activly oppose either the left or the right when they try to force their views upon the country.
Again, i respect your drive and conviciton, but i disagree with it whole-heartedly. I dont need the liberals telling me what is good or bad for me, im a big clown, i can make up my own mind.
The only difference between a liberal and a conservative is what evils they deem necessary to save the rest of us from.
Giants up 2-0, so Texas has a mountain to climb to get back into the series, and I don't think they can do it...
With 4 days to go...it's the economy!
Interesting "pre mortem" in the National Journal today...
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/10/the-moments-tha.php
Over/under is;
Congress; Repubs 45 seats
Senate; Repubs 6 seats
Dangerfield
I watched the Ranger's game last night to unwind. It was maddening to see the 8th where 3 different Ranger pitchers threw a combined 18 balls in 21 pitches. They walked two runners in before I shut it off.
It reminded me of my son's little league games. Too bad the big leagues don't have a mercy rule. Anyway Texas will come up short, Giants will win 4 games to two.
Followed your link about why things in the author's opinion turned around for the republicans and went south for the Democrats after only two years. I guess this is your answer from the other day.
The author goes on about the Stimulus being perceived as a failure, suggests that the Democrats pushed for cap and trade and HCR instead of focusing on the economy.
I think it was the perfect storm. A president the media labeled a post partisan president was expected to do a miracle, while at the same time receiving unheard of obstructionism, criticism and disprespect by the Tea Party and the minority party.
Although you may be lunwilling to admit it, the article also points out...
"But no single moment has redefined the political landscape like a January Supreme Court decision that has effectively allowed hundreds of millions of dollars to flow onto the airwaves with little regulation and virtually no disclosure.
The one thing Democrats and Republicans, campaign finance reformers and free speech advocates who oppose new rules can agree on is that the Citizens United v. FEC decision has fundamentally altered the political landscape."
My prediction as I said the first days I posted here if the unemployment is still above 9% the Democrats will suffer.
Dems will lose - Arkansas, N. Dakota, Indiana, unfortunately Wisconsin and either Nevada or Illinois. Loss of five
Dems will lose thirty five house seats. Pelosi will keep her gavel.
Yellowdog Mark:
Love your post, love your analysis.
Apparently, you and I are the only folks who believe that the Democrats will keep the House and the Senate. . . Tuesday can't get here soon enough . . . tired of the speculation! :o)
Thanks Nashville Fan,
I don't have all that much time to read everyone in here. But I think you always make good reasoned posts .
Thanks for the kind words Yellowdog-Mark . . . you always call 'em like you see 'em . . . and around here that is hard to find.
Thanks for chiming in when you can.
Didnt even realize the world series was here. Personally i cant watch baseball, its the most boring sport in the world im my opinion.
Go team that is playing!
Crist has loose lips. Perhaps he just sank his own ship!
Off message, but..Lawrence O'Donnell sank a few ships last night! lol
Tom Delay felt dissed when Lawrence introduced him as a former 'bug killer' Exterminator instead of former Speaker.....lol Delay was on edge and rude. Maybe he already feels the heat of that courtroom in Austin.....Gentleman Lawrence handled him!
Then the Leaders of some Teapeople! Too funny, especially Amy aka Betty Boop. TeaParty Express was totally befuddled and showed her disdain for Lawrence and his questions.
Busted! Lawrence had The Last Word!
Don't forget to VOTE!
I'm setting the over/under on the number of times "JuvenBachen" drops his "5th Horseman" punchline at 7 for today.
Any takers?
Get out and vote Democrats.Â
"Get out and vote Democrats. "
What if we dont want the democrats to maintain a supermajority?
Vote. Follow the money! Think for yourself and connect the dots--the people who caused the economic crisis are the ones spending millions anonymously to "take their country back" so they can destroy the economy again.
Friday, 8:08 AM in Iowa, the American Federation? of Marriage calls me with a brief survey. I doubt they liked my answers. This is the issue driving the right in Iowa this year, it is what has them "enthused". The republicans and pundits say that this election is about President Obama, tax cuts and big versus small government--baloney. What motivates the right wing this year are the social issues, those things that have absolutely zero impact on their pocket books.
This odd campaign season seems to fit with Halloween. Ghosts and goblins, princesses and Jedi warriors, vampires, ballerinas. The night is extra dark, clouds float across the moon, the wind howls or is it the wind. Haunted houses, bats and spiders everywhere; caramel apples and eyeballs in a bowl. Halloween, the night when spooky and scary is fun. Time to lighten up a bit, it's Friday, it's been another two-year long election battle.
Trick or Treat--McCain is The Grinch, O'Donnell is predictably a witch, Boehner is SuperTan man, Paladino wears a Speedo, DeMint is Napolean, Whitman a giant Dollar Sign, Glenn Beck and Issa come in their favorite Nazi uniforms, Angle is a giant tea bag, Palin is a Mama Grizzlie, Grassley has donned his worn Farmer jeans and Straw hat to remind Iowans he's just like them. The democrats chose not to wear costumes this year--after all, according to the right, they're scary enough already--evil, devil liberals.
Jody,,,,,Once again spot on,,,follow the money,In you can,see the real players are cowards,they let the likes of Turb boy ,Dick Armny,and Limpbaugh do there talking,and heaven forbibe we forget the fine fellows at Fixed entertainnewsment.See there are a few players,all Billionairs and most Oilers.They are the reason for all the Duffel bags full of cash being spent on attack ads.And the US Chamber of Comm,what a joke this group is,they are as Right wing as one can get.So we have bought and paid for politians,slinging mud, for Millions in cash,and really doing nothing for the people they represent.I do think the msm plays a major roll in elections,they look for the wacko words,the star trekkers,the space travelers like Bachman,Demint,Paul,O Donnell,people so far out there they even scare there base.Thanks for the kind words yesterday, Yes it is I the St Paul kid, Your friend to the north.
Good to see you back Jesse! :0)
I knew that was you yesterday, Jesse MN, glad to see you on FR again; always enjoyed your comments.
Absolutely Jody and JJd. Hidden behind all the new-sounding talk about "taking government back" and "small government" are the same tired Conservative issues. Abortion, imaginary threats to gun rights, enshrining Fundamentalist Christian doctrine as law, lower taxes for rich folks, and gay rights.
Whitman calls to deport her ex-housekeeper/nanny
Sounds like someone is bitter!
It sounds like SOMEONE committed fraud, lied repeatedly, then tried to capitalize on her misfortune on TV with her tears....the housekeeper.
The real question is WILL THE FEDS ENFORCE EXISTING LAW ???
What penalty will there be for Whitman, who made it possible for an illegal to have a job for YEARS, knowing her status for most of that time?
Actually John, for the second day in a row.....YOU ARE WRONG !
After Whitman found out about Nicky Diaz's fraudulent I.D. and her fraudulent social security number, Nicky was let go. Remember John, Meg went through an employment agency, dotting her "I's" and crossing her "T's" to make sure she was legal.
Nice try though !
JIMBO shouldn't Whit have done what she insist the people of AZ do? Check the papers of ALL brown people!!!!
Yes, she dismissed Diaz...only SEVEN YEARS after the Social Security Administration sent Whitman a letter indicating an inconsistency in Diaz' records. http://www.mercurynews.com/california-governors-race-2010/ci_16211525?source=most_viewed&nclick_check=1
Thanks for playing.
No one has ever proved that Meg Whitman knew. The closest you guys may have come is a signature by her husband. If you assume, husbands always tell wives everything and vice versa, then you are living in la la land.
I find out things all the time that my wife never tells me....yet somehow I am expected to know.....but that would be a loonnngggg story !
Pottsie, I repeat, she USED an employment agency. It was THEIR JOB to ensure Nicky Diaz met employer-defined requirements.
True. But we don't need to prove what Whitman knew. We are allowed to use whatever criterea we wish to decide how to use our vote. We aren't charging her with a crime, yet.
Wow Paul, "not charging her with a crime,YET. Really ? So generous of you !
The provided link which I read (and maybe you should also) basically comes to a She said vs She said. Even this article basically comes to a conclusion that, WITHOUT VERIFICATION FROM SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION, you have only an unsubstantiated allegation.
But hey, vote as you choose..it's the American way !
BY the way, how many billions in debt is California ??????????
And none of the libs will acknowledge that Diaz is here ILLEGALLY.
Is Whitman at fault? perhaps
Is Diaz breaking the law? yes
Is Diaz committing a misdemeanor? Yes
Does that misdemeanor carry the penalty of deportation? Yes
Was the Whitman family notified that there was an issue with Diaz' indentification that pointed toward a potentially undocumented worker? Yes
Was Diaz employment handled properly in the intervening 7 years. No
Is the position that Diaz is liable for being here illegally, but the Whitman family is some kind of victim for continuing to employ someone with documentation problems hypocritical. Absolutely
For some reason certain types of people that commit crimes, will not take ownership for what they did, instead they balme the victum. We just saw a good example with the young lady that got her head stomped. The person doing the stomping wants an apology from the stompee.
It is not going to get any better, the way we are going I suspect it will get much worse in a lot of ways.
How is she a victim? She came here illegally, she stole someone identity, and got a job with forged documents. So how is she a victim?
Did someone say that Nicky Diaz is a victim? USN was referring to the assault at the Rand Paul rally.
The Democrats lost the House as the result of actions in 1990 and 2000 - they have not paid attention to congressional redistricting. For years if not decades the observation was that the Dems were becoming an East Coast/West Coast and minority party. Some members railed against the influences of the DLC, but a compromise was worked out. But then the Dems completely ignored what was going on under the surface for the last two years. The result is that they've lost almost every white male working class voter that isn't a 2nd or 3rd generation union member. How the h_ll did that happen? You have to have policies targeted to these guys; otherwise when the fat cat drives by in his Cadillac and offers/promises him a ride, he jumps in.
Wm, I'm a little surprised no one has jumped on from either side. You have a point, though I believe the Democratic failure has more to do with articulating the message and using good descriptive language for their proposals as opposed to the policies themselves.
Republicans, on the other hand, have been very strong in terms of dictating the language and there gaze is fixed firmly on redistricting. Every 10 years they seem to pull out ALL the stops to make sure they have majorities in every place possible so as to strengthen their hand for the next 10.
"…Democratic candidates across the country are closing out the campaign with personal attacks on Republican candidates, sometimes digging up decades-old legal problems….
As you watch this year's ads…you'll notice a striking difference between Democratic and Republican attack ads: Democrats are attacking over personal issues, Republicans are attacking over policy.
There are, of course, many exceptions, but the overall trend is clear. Democrats are hitting their Republican opponents over past legal transgressions, shady business deals and even speeding tickets. Republicans are hammering Democrats over "Obamacare," Nancy Pelosi and the economy."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-elections-democratic-closing-argument-personal-attacks/story?id=11996410
When you can't defend and campaign on the policy, you'd better find something to campaign on.
Dreamer, the GOP attack ads run about 6 to 1 here; 6 GOP attacks against the dems.
I see Bill and Mixed Bag haven't seen any political ads, or their not smart enough to see what there about. More likely their just listening to what Fox is telling them.
Jody,
Pointing out that a lib voted lock step with Pelosi isn't an attack.
Then pointing out that the Republican Party has enforced "Party discipline" in order to obstruct the agenda of the majority isn't either. Conservatives seem to object to that characterization, though.
John B.
Should be interesting to see how the republicans try to control their new tea party newbees, or when the tea party figures out that they have been used. A match made in ???????
Yeah, should be fun to watch the kings of "message discipline" meld with the forces of "we don't need no stinkin' leader." It's a guaranteed, dynamo, certain success as much so as...I dunno, Sears merging with KMart?
Republican tea party are doing everything to win....They stomp on people, they slap people, they spend untold amount of money and now Joe Miller has asked people to add their names as write in candidates to undermine his opponent. They are so sure they will win, they will lie, cheat and kill to make sure.
What entity in America today provides a check on corporate power?
This is not about an election or a candidate, this is about America being destroyed from the inside out by "corporate people" whose only concern is making money.
Period.
So if they have to deny you medical care that you have paid to receive, they will do it.
And if they have to imprison "illegals" in "private prisons" in Arizona (ironically paid for with state money . . . so yet another company sucking of the "guvment" teat), once these folks are no longer needed to build houses, care for livestock, and cook and clean for subhuman wages, they will do it.
And they will start wars under false pretenses to make a buck.
And they will sell products that they know are unsafe, to make a buck.
And they will ignore safety precautions, and put people in harms way, to make a buck.
And they will close down an entire community and ship the jobs overseas, to make a buck.
The ONLY thing that matters to a "corporate person" is making a buck.
They control the Congress, the media, the courts, the banks, and the courts.
They tell us that "less government" is the answer, and they bridge the gap with "private contractors" that take "government money" to enrich select groups.
And this is the American Way?
God bless America indeed.
So the McMahons can basically run free campaign advertising on their programs on cable television and now all the booger-eaters and mouth-breathers can wear their gear when they go vote in Connecticut on Tuesday?
How is this not electioneering?
Nash;
You robally made the most important statement so far nad I agree 100% and have said so in the past
This country IS BEING destroyed from the inside out. We are not under attack from any foreign nation, except those buying the republican party thanks to Citizens United and the republican filibuster of the Disclosure Act.
When you create a society that is controlled by Greed, Power and a sense of I am better than you, this is what we get. This is the agenda of the current Republican Party. They are looking to strip away as many of our rights as they can to create their own little "Great Society" that will have two classes of people. Those that have and those that never will. N
This is not a good plan to move this country forward. It is the path to an Oligarchy or Banana Republic, whatever you want to call it.
Another example of the right stomping on the First Amendment yesterday. I wonder what countries like Afghan, Iraq, Iran, etc think when they hear us talk about democracy and we then turn around and do they very same thing that we are tring to make them not do.
Not good. Not by a long shot.
Oh so true, Nashville. For Sale to the Highest Donor: The USA
And the GOPers accuse democrats of dirty tricks at polls--freebees from the republicans handed out nearby apparently is allowed.
Here's an interesting twist possibility: the Bachman led tea partiers in the new Republican Majority House don't support Boehner for Speaker, and the Dem. nominee gets the most votes, and the Speaker remains a Democrat! It can happen!
Yep, Pat, it can.
And will.
On the very same day that elephants roost in trees.
Boehner's first task as speaker, being a chain smoker, will be deregulation of tobacco industry and laws banning public smoking.
Remember Boehner handed out checks on the house floor because big tobacco asked him to, in Boehner's own words..
"asked me to hand out a half dozen checks before we got to the (vote, err) end of the month...AND I COMPLIED"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAC2xeT2yOg
What a corporate stooge!!!!!!!!!
Looking forward to smoke filled restaurants, malls, parks, airplanes, buses, etc.
The main difference in philosophy between the two parties is this. One is worried about what what the government will do FOR you, and the other is worried about what the gov will do TO you. Doesn't take a political analyst to figure out which is which.
Excellent point jed. Republicans are terrified that the government will step into their class warfare against the middle class. The only solution was to buy as many seats as possible.
Highest Grossing Horror Movies of All Time
(worldwide gross in inflation adjusted dollars)
5. The Twilight Saga: New Moon (2009) $723M
Comment: Didn't see it, I'm too old.
4. The Sixth Sense (1999) $882M
Comment: Watched it on DVD one night. Then watched it again first thing the next morning to catch the nuances I had missed.
3. Jaws (1977) $1.9B
Comment: Very effective chiller in the days before sophisticated computerized effects. The music still gives me goose bumps.
2. The Exorcist (1973) $2.2B
Comment: Another pre-computerized classic. Linda Blair's swiveling head was quite impressive at the time. And scary.
1. The Obama Presidency (2009-2013) Trillions and trillions and trillions...
Comment: Really bad flick, 4 thumbs down. Pre-release publicity turned out to be bogus. But was a bonanza for the kool-aid industry.
Perhaps, then you saw the preview for the next horror flick?
"Republican Controlled House II"
Remember how all sequels are worse than the movie that started theseries? This one looks to continue the trend. Despite all the tough talk about needing to cut this scene or that scene the film looks to come in WAY over budget.
...and don't get me started on the acting in this one. They brought in a bunch of fresh faces who just don't look to be believeable in their new roles.
Sorry, this movie has "bomb" written all over it. Is there a way I can just wait until it comes out on DVD?
...or maybe we can watch Ishtar instead.
Not your best work Bill, but cute.
Stick with the corporate fairy tells, much funnier.
"Once upon a time there was a sweet little corporation that longed to create jobs for Americans. But the big bad government wouldn't let the sweet company pay their workers $20 a day and so they had to declare bankruptcy and move their operations to China.
Moral: Do what the corporate people say, and nobody gets hurt."
noids come back was MUCH funnier and MUCH closer to truth
Obama MUST be confused. From the latest ad by Sharon Angle, it seems he's now running for senate in Nevada. When did that happen??
Who knows, maybe this gives Meek the much needed national attention he needs!
Because of tax "loop holes", wealthy Americans and Corporations pay very little to no taxes at all. That means that everyday, average Americans shoulder and carry the tax burden within our society. Is this fair? In reality, Loop holes are just another way for the wealthy to lie and cheat and get around the law. Should loopholes be legal in America? And, what does that teach us about shouldering our fair share and being responsible or not responsible? And why have we put up with this lying and cheating for so long? What are we going to do about it?
The Republican Party, pretends that they want to lower taxes for the American people but they know full well that the loopholes they created means that Corporations and wealthy Americans will escape from paying their fair share and that every-day Average Americans will Shoulder the tax burden. Is this fair?
The Republicans pretend they want jobs here in America. But because of loop holes thousands of jobs have moved to China and India. Why do they support these loopholes so that companies invest in China and India and not here in the United States? Again, is this fair? And, is this cheating? I know it cheats the American people. Everyone knows that to create jobs, you have to invest in America. America's infrastructure, schools, technology, high-speed rails, cities and towns. You cannot continue to cut and cut, and not put anything back, after awhile you will have nothing left at all but desolation and decay.
One current example of a destroyer is the Republican Governor of New Jersey, currently proud of cutting the budget (education and services) but he will not Fund the tunnel which would have created thousands of jobs for his state. To put something back, just not desolate the state.
The Pretenders, "mission" is to sell to the American people the \"bill of goods\" that we Need less government, after all, government will only get in the way of their fraudulent schemes and try to hold them accountable to people and not to corporations! Less Government, means No Regulations and no one to keep them from their dirty deeds.
They pretend they did not "bail" out Wall Street. But because of no regulations and policing, they already bailed out Wall Street! Thank God for those sensible government officials who realized that in order to save our economy the bail out was necessary or the whole economy would have collapsed, because Bush & Co. waited until the last minute, when they were ready to get out of dodge and the collapse was imminent, to tell the American people just how badly they had squandered our economy with phony and fraudulent real-estate deals and in funding the phony and unnecessary Iraq War!
If you vote Republican or if you do not vote at all on November 2nd, and in the future you still continue to carry the tax burden while the wealthy get tax breaks, again while paying no taxes, or if you find that your Social Security benefits will be tied to the stock market because of privatization,or if you find that your Unemployment Benefits are put on Freeze while your medical premiums are going up. If you continue to see that more jobs are shipped overseas, while our country decays from neglect and further delines into a third-world country, then you have no one to blame but yourself! Remember: They want to see Pres. Obama Fail, which really means we all fail!
Terrific post, Angellight. Follow the money.
If Obama does not fail-he takes my 401K that I worked for and gives it to a lay about liberal-your damn right I want to see him fail
Gingerbread Mama,
This fellow Floridan is right with you. I live in PBC and IMHO, it seems counterintuitive to vote for Rubio if you are a senior or Latino. I know the Dems have been lacking backbone lately, but I truly believe the Dems are on the right side of the issues. The things that come out the mouths of Republicans and TP's is frightening and will just take us back to the 19th century.
Truthfully, I will be glad when the midterm elections are over. I am tired of the ads - one right after the other - five or six in a row.
One thing though, if the Republicans gain what all the know-it-alls seem to think, then they will have to poop or get off the pot. They will actually have to govern. I expect a complete turnaround of the economy, I expect unemployment to fall to 5%, I expect the deficit to be reduced to an acceptable level, and I expect the border to be secured, in TWO YEARS. Anything short of that will be unacceptable. Since the Republicans know how to fix all the ills of America, they better put their money where their mouths are.
VOTE!!!!!!
Good morning all...
Last weekend before the election. Then blessed quiet from the nonstop ads. Apparently there are at least 20 candidates for office down here that sell poisoned milk to school children if you believe all the ads. ;-)
Anyway, have a great Halloween weekend and watch out for the kiddos if you are on the streets Halloween night!!
Who would of thought I would be rubbing shoulders with a First Read celebrity?
Nice job Grimey on being the FIRST question answered by Mark & Domenico over in the boiler room - I'll buy you a drink if you'll give me your autograph... ;0)
Sounds like a deal to me...I never refuse a beverage! ;-)
Hope you have a nice weekend.
Careful, there, Red- you might be guilty of 'patting-on-the-back'.
But yeah- way to go , Frank!
Grimey is so brave to say nice things to Feisty---he may get collapsed by association!!
Happy Halloween to all----be sure to watch my Steelers play some tricks on the Saints Sunday night---will be a treat when they win!!
LOL Steeler Fan!
No doubt the 'have a nice weekend' will bring it down!
We all witnessed how tolerant the right wing whack jobs are of Birthday wishes! lmao
I'm willing to take my chances and wish Grimey and the rest a nice weekend as well! ;0)
Look for more spin on November 3rd from our Progressive/Socialist friends - lol!
Tea baggers are now giving us a new America where a man can be allowed (a tea bagger republican) to publicly fight with a woman to the extent of knocking the woman down on the ground and even go as far as stepping on the woman's head with his boots just because he thinks he is stronger than the woman.
This is not a joke; it truly happened . A huge man caught on camera as he fights with a woman just because the woman is carrying a poster that his tea bagger candidate does not like !!!!! Shame on this strong man.
These are some of the things that Democrats do not entertain. Fighting with a woman is not acceptable in American society. Days when a man could just come up and exercise his muscles on a woman just because the woman's muscles are not as strong as his are long gone.
To make it worse; This man turned out to be Rand Paul's aide, doing this as Rand Paul himself watches.
The man who happen to be Rand Paul's aide has now released a statement saying they beat up the woman because they were trying to protect Rand Paul.
This is ridiculous. Protecting Rand Paul from a woman who is just peacefully expressing her 1st amendment right.
Man Who Made Threats Against Democratic Senator was under the spell of Glenn Beck.
MediaMatters asked Sarah Palin to stand up against Beck's troubling violent speech and rhetoric. Her response? "I stand with you Glenn". Lovely isn't she? What a leader she would make. Right up the right wing extremists' alley.
Think Progress:In April, a Washington man named Charles Alan Wilson was arrested for threatening Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) for her vote to pass health care reform. He left a series of threatening messages on her voicemail, saying “It only takes one piece of lead. Kill the (expletive) senator! … Now that you’ve passed your health-care bill, let the violence begin” and “I do believe that every one of you (expletive) socialist democratic progressive (expletive) need to be taken out.” Wilson was arrested after a federal agent called him pretending to be from a group backed by Americans for Prosperity, the right-wing organization responsible for funding some of the “grassroots” opposition to health care reform. Wilson told the agent, who he thought was a fellow opponent to health care reform, that “I will not blink” when it comes to shooting the Senator. “It’s not a threat, it’s a guarantee,” he said.
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A vote for a republican is a vote for Karl Rove, Glenn Beck and right wing extemists. That's who these candidates are.
I can't think of one single thing the Republicans have touched and not ruined. Completely ruin.
I can think of many that the Democrats have ruined and/or bankrupted.
Pat,
How is that state health insurance plan working out? Would you recommend it for all of the US?
Tracy: You can think of many, but you can't name one? Usually a list would follow such a statement.
Perfect example. Again generalizing. A vote for Republican is a vote for Rove, Becky - geez.