Today’s WSJ had an excellent editorial pointing out that this will be the fourth time in 45 years where the Dems get control of the WH and congress, veer hard left, and get tossed out shortly after.

The first time was in 1964 with the Great Society. In 1966 the Dems lost 47 seats in the House. In 1968 they lost the WH. Next was 1976 with the peanut farmer. In 1980, the Reagan Revolution tossed them out of the WH and the Senate. In1992 Slick Willy took over and in 1994 the Dems got tossed out of both houses of congress. In 2008, Barry ushered in an overwhelming majority in the House and a filibuster-proof Senate. Just one year later the Hero of Chappaquiddick’s Senate seat was filled by a Republican, elected in the bluest of blue states, thus eliminating the filibuster-proof Dem majority. Now comes 2010 and it sure looks like there will be a huge number of Dems getting tossed out again, with losing the House almost a certainty and losing the Senate a possibility.

LOL!!!

So Joe.....Then all this talk about having gone socialist is, how you say, Bull Sh*t then?

Navy:

You sure do say it like it is. There is no doubt about it. I especially liked your comment that it difficult to create jobs when the US Chamber of Commerce is in bed with India, China and others, sending jobs overseas. How unpatriotic of the CoC!

A few lines did not make it on my download.

The Republican/Tea Party is also in favor of

Repealing Health Care Reform and

Repealing Financial Reform

US Navy Disabled: A few lines did not make it on my download

Yeah, those buffer sizes for the amount of copy and pasting you do fill up in a hurry. But it's no big deal that you missed some, you post the same copious amounts of hate and scare tactics everyday, so we all understand where you're coming from.

And don't forget Retired...

If you have the audacity to ask a question of a candidate you'll find yourself in hand cuffs OR

If a 123lb woman shows up at a PUBLIC debate on behalf of the other candidate that by golly is a good enough rationale to get your HEAD stomped!

Of course then the stomper is demanding an apology from the stompee!!!

JoAnna,

Not to mention that navy lies.

Big business does not get tax breaks so they can move overseas. They get tax breaks so they WON'T move overseas.

But then faced with overpaid, underproductive union employee's, the company still can make more money outsourcing...........go figure.

According to Stewart voters are insane and according to Obama they can't think straight

Why do they dismiss concerned hard working citizens?

Recent articles from such Sources as Newsweek put the United States as 11^th on the “Best Country” list.

So where did you place the US? I voted for #1

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

They even hold seminars to teach erican Companies how to outsource jobs.

You have done a "heck of a job" , Navy, elucidating how Americans are being taught to outsource jobs via the Chamber of Commerce and Glenn Beck's blackboard.

Two at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and Fox News hate-talker Glenn Beck also met with these representatives of the corporate elite.

Beck hosted an on-air fundraiser, asking his audience to give to the Chamber. Casual observers might have been surprised by the Chamber’s swift alliance with Beck (Chamber executives appeared on the Beck radio program and sung Beck’s praises on the Chamber blog)

Beck, who owns a media company worth more than $32 million dollars and an experimental Mercedes Benz, essentially told his working class viewers to give their wages back to their employers.” Beck told his listeners to give money to the Chamber in other words!!!

Corporate “investors” at the Koch meeting included businesses with a strong profit motive in rolling back President Obama’s enacted reforms.

Past Koch meetings have included various Republican lawmakers, including DeMint, and Supreme Court Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia as speakers.

There are many reasons foreign corporations are seeking to defeat Democratic candidates this November. The Chamber has repeatedly sent out issue alerts attacking Democratic efforts to encourage businesses to hire locally rather than outsource to foreign counties. The Chamber has also bitterly fought Democrats for opposing unfettered free trade deals.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/10/20/health-insurance-banking-oil-industries-met-with-koch-chamber-glenn-beck-to-plot-gop-wins-in-2010-election/#more-18207

The Chamber simply does not “defends the little guy as Beck says.

IMPEACH SUPREME COURT JUSTICES CLARENCE THOMAS AND ANTONIN SCALIA !!!

JoAnna----pot calling the kettle black??

That is the best you can do?

How about "I don't agree with you, Navy, but thanks for your service". Would be too civilized for you, I suspect.

You would think democrats would learn, eventually, that this is a center right country, that jamming costly, bureaucrat laden programs down the throats of an unwilling electorate is a way to lose power, and that promoting class warfare in a country that is proud to offer equal opportunity to all who choose to strive will be vehemently rejected.

They never do. This year, however, is one for the books.

Democrats were inundated with calls, emails, and letters from their constituents, in adamant opposition to the spending and policies Obama was pushing. They ignored all of that, voted to pass legislation the electorate rejected, and now seem stunned to discover that those same voters stand ready to throw them out of office.

That is how it works, folks. These people are free to ignore the voice of the electorate, right up to the day the electorate gets to remove them from office.

I wonder how many of them will find second careers in this economy. Not too many, I would think. Their policies were not popular with potential employers, either.

*** “Step by step, inch by inch”: Then there was this Stewart question: Why haven’t you been able to change, as promised, the way that Washington works? Obama countered that he has made his administration more transparent than previous administrations, and that his lobbying rules have tried to lessen the power of special interests.

Good thing Obama was on a comedy show, because this is pure humor. Obama has made his administration "more transparent"? Too funny! Sure Obama, tell us again how all those closed door meetings you had during your health care snafu were "transparent".

And he's "tried to lessen the power of special interests". Wow, well that's what counts for a liberal, how they feel, and what they "try" to do, not the actual results.

Cue the laugh track for this guy.

Knock Knock...

Who's there?

Well one things for certain it ain't NJNB!

Do you really think I can take anything you say at face value when you couldn't even tell the truth about dragging your grandaughter out to knock on doors this week? *geeze*

It's amazing how disingenuous you are. Newsweek? Well there is dishonest partisan paper if there ever was one.

Our Education system is in the toilet because of the breakdown on the family unit, the rise of single parenthood and divorce and the dawning of the "I" generation of selfish adults that are too busy keeping their facebook pages up rather than properly parenting their children. That is why the Education standards have progressively dropped every year in spite of more money being dumped into the system. And the schools with the worst records are the ones that get the most money. Unfortunately due to liberals like you we are not allowed to state the obvious so we just keep throwing money at the problem trying to have the schools replace the absent parents and this will never work.

We cannot create jobs in America because the people who have the money and own the businesses are being taxed and penalized into the ground. Oh, and that would be by the democrats. In every period of prosperity in this country it was brought about by tax cuts which stimulated the economy. How can you be so ignorant of history.

As far as the money spent on the elections. Well the Dems outspent the Republicans by a significant margin in this election cycle. I'm not sure where you get your information from. In addition, the corrupt unions openly said that they cannot guarantee that some of the money that they have contributed didn't come from overseas. However there is NO evidence whatsoever that any money came to a republican in that manner. In addition you can blame the republicans for this law but I believe the dems voted for it also, and if they didn't like it they could have repealed it. They've had the entire congress and the white house for the past 2 years and the entire congress for the last four. So you hang that one up.

Then the misinformation about the tea party. Your like a walking dishonest talking point. They have no desire to get rid of medicare, they said it was broken and broke, which is correct. They would like people to be able to independently invest some of their retirement money. Sorry if that goes against your idea of a complete government nanny state.

The board of education. Your talking about the same government bureaucracy that since it's inception has seen yearly decreases in educational outcomes since it's inception. Wow they are doing a great job. Only in the government would such a failure be continued. The other comments are lies as well and completely misrepresent the tea party agenda. As far as what they can do you don't know because they don't have any real power yet. As far as what works. Well thats easy. Pick up a history book.

Current Administration historical achievements: Historical unemployment, Historical spending, Historical debt, Historical scandals, (sestak, black panthers, doj, ACORN) all this only 2 years. Worst piece of legislation ever passed in this country: Healthcare bill (that will be repealed). Historical number of people on food stamps, and the list could go on.

When taxes are cut the economy thrives and tax revenues increase. I'm not going to bother explaining this to you because their is no point. However this has been proven through history. What we have going now is another failed left wing President in the same vein but much worse than Jimmy Carter. You morons will be losing the House in 1 week and you'll lose the senate and the White House in 2 years. You can continue to push your liberal government takeover social agenda but ultimately the people are not going to stand for it.

I do however like how you stick to the democratic talking points like a good liberal. Clearly your not able to think for yourself or even do a little research to know that most of your comments are based on misinformation, are direct lies or sourced from far left organizations. Maybe you should pick up a history book and read it for yourself instead of wedging your head in the kool aid pitcher.

I also wanted to mention climate change. Your talking about man made climate change like the ICE AGE. I forgot what caused that, or when the continents shifted. Was that carbon emission, auto's, cow manure, or lack of recycling? I forgot what caused the ICE AGE. Oh your talking about the Climate Change today. The one that a majority of scientists say has nothing to do with human behavior. But a small minority paint it that way but they are the only people that get a voice in the liberal media. That would be the same climate change that was put forward by those scholars that across the board were found to be doctoring their information. That same climate change put forth by Al Gore who drove a car to a conference where he was speaking and left the engine running for over an hour while he was speaking and then flew by private jet to his next destination. All while telling everyone else attending to use public transportation. That climate Change. OK

Feisty:

When you are not what you say you are...you are a fraud. NJ is a fraud. Pure and simple.

Sorry to inform the misinformed, but the Feds do give tax breaks to those multinational companies that send jobs overseas. In fact we jsut had a bill come to the Senate that was going to be partially funded by closing these loopholes that reward companies for sending jobs overseas.

Your lie is busted.

Proud republican. Wrong, US Navy does not lie. If there were not tax breaks for companies sending jobs overseas, why then did the GOP Senators filibuster the legislation to remove those tax breaks and give them to companies who keep jobs in the USA? Republicans and independents, not just democrats, should be concerned about this issue. This isn't a political concern, it is about jobs and jobs in America; it is about big money being used against the American people. This is about creating well paying jobs in America, jobs for future generations. I hate to think that the USA will be relegated to jobs only in the service sector and finance without the ability to build anything American because we allowed companies to ship the best jobs overseas. That is the road to decline and the US becoming an even greater debtor nation.

It is amazing that people want to call opinions lies. AN opinion by definition is just that. Your own thoughts on a particular matter. everybody on this board is entitled to their opinion, period and I will defend that as long as i breath. What I will not defend is made up facts like multi-national companies do not take advantage of Tax Loopholes/breaks to send jobs overseas. This is one of the very first topics on the US Chamber of Commerce lecture circuit to companies.

If you disagree with me fine, I would like to hear why maybe you can enlighted me, but do not call me a liar for posting my opinions.

Madison From NY:

According to Stewart voters are insane and according to Obama they can't think straight

Why do they dismiss concerned hard working citizens?

If citizens believe that it's a good idea to vote in Republicans in order to punish the Democrats for not cleaning up the mess the Republicans made fast enough, then perhaps they are insane. Or maybe they're just working TOO hard and ought to take a little time off from work to think about what they're doing to themselves by voting Republican.

Um, Fiesty? I don't know how it works in Chitown, but here in New York metro, we have twenty four hour days.

Really.

We also have this period of time called"afternoon", which lasts from noon until just a hair before six p.m.

A really good part of "afternoon" is between three and six, because a lot of people are home at that time. It is a wasted effort to knock on doors of people who are not home.

Good grief.

US Navy:

True, everyone has an opinion. What people don't like about you is the fact any opinion that does not fit that little liberal box is viewed as irrelevant.

No Jo, not to change subject but i was looking for you to respond to my question about the project canceled yesterday,

My question was that if the feds put more money on the table to offset the money jersey would have been on the hook for, or do a re-design to bring down cost, do you think this will come back, also is this project nessesary?

you know i'm a construction estimator and for him to pull the plug on 6000 construction jobs as well as 45,000 perminate jobs, the way construction is right now(near dead) i wanted your spin on how people there are reacting there.

Oh I know how it works NJNB...

But the fact is you've been on here all week practically 24/7... so my observation stands!

Not to mention you track record on the truth isn't exactly stellar!

I recall not to long ago one of our esteemed moderators had to set you straight! lol

Good Grief is right!

Anyone who believes the US tax code contains "tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas" is clueless about international taxation among the 31 industrialized countries that make up the OECD. The US tax code is one of only six countries that contains a PENALTY for bringing overseas profits back to the US where they could be used to create jobs in the US. Other than South Korea, the other five countries are minor economic players.

If a US company has profits in a foreign country it pays the pays the host country taxes. If the US company brings those foreign profits home it ALSO pays US taxes in ADDITION to the foreign taxes already paid. (BTW, the US corporate tax rate is the second highest in the OECD behind only Japan. And their economy has sucked for about 10-15 years) For the other 25 countries ( including Canada, UK, France, Germany, Japan, and Austrailia) they only pay host country taxes on foreign profits and no home country taxes when they bring the foreign profit home. A US company would be a fool to bring those foreign profits home and pay taxes twice on the same income.

You want the jobs in the US?? Eliminate the double taxation PENALTY in the US tax code.

America needs to heed the warning & reflect on the past..Big Businesses Greed & Profit destroyed the Middle Class jobs in America..Money & Power..

They are now Focused on running American Government..The Final Takeover..

NDV,

Newsweek saying America is 11th Best Country? They're liberal. Education? OK, but isn't the American Federation of Teachers liberal.

Little 'ole Chamber of Commerce is more powerful and influential than the House, controlled by liberals; the Senate, controlled by liberals and the President of the United States, a liberal?

Elections bought and paid for? Look for the Union label. And by the way Dems still lead in money in every category - business, union, ideological, other.Repubs are doing better this cycle (duh) Libs just can't handle it when things are even close to being even?

Going back to where we were is bad, but it is better than where we've been taken.

I'm starting to get Steve Syndrome - Yawwnn.

BTW - Where do you get your daily cut/paste delusions?

Joe, how is this http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/house-passed-bill-which-closes-offshore-outsourcing-international-corporate-tax-scheme NOT a tax break for shipping jobs overseas.

The legislation ties corporate revenues directly to the foreign tax credit. If passed, no longer can a corporation claim credits for foreign taxes yet park the actual profits made offshore in a low tax country. Previously corporations claimed the foreign tax credits, yet only to reduce their U.S. tax liability. The actual foreign revenues were not repatriated into the United States. If one obtains tax credits yet doesn't have to actually pay tax on profits accrued offshore, this encourages the movement of capital, assets and production overseas, including jobs.

Republicans blocked the bill referenced here.

Navy may not lie, but he does state only his opinion.

The one I love the most is:

Changed the constitution to create a class based society with different rights for different classes

I haven't seen any changes to the Constitution by the Tea Party or the Republican party. I am pretty sure that you have to have an amendment to change the constitution. Now informally, there could be slight changes, especially with the President trying to take more power through executive orders. But a lot of those could be declared unconstitutional, possibly.

I don't see any amendments up for vote, especially by the Tea Party. Unless there is some secret organization out there that is doing it:)

US NAVY..... You forgot about the Obama stimulus bill sending 800 million to create jobs in China!! So yes we are going to vote all of the people resonsible for the Stimulus bill out of office!!! Obama is going to be very lonely after November. From now on it is 1 term for all who fail, no more second chances, did you hear that Obama!!

Hey Navy Boy did you hear, Farmers in Wisconsin are shocked to hear that the death tax is going to be the end of the family farm!!! Democrats said it was for the wealthy and it was for people inheriting over a million, so the average person would not have to worry about it. So many farmers figured out what they had and were shocked that their son was going to go bust when they die!! Many farms in Wisconsin are worth over a million!! Land, buildings, live stock, crops, and equipment can easily add up to a million and the democrats want their half!!! Democrats in Wisconsin have to go, Save the family farms, vote the bums out!!

BigBear62: The one I love the most is:

Changed the constitution to create a class based society with different rights for different classes

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This one is already done. It's called Affirmative Action.

" In every period of prosperity in this country it was brought about by tax cuts which stimulated the economy. How can you be so ignorant of history"

Doug, honey, I don't know how old you are, what you were doing in the 80's or where you lived, but I lived that history and what trickled down on me and my working class family did not smell so great! Wake up, you young folks have it much easier than we did in the 80's, now that was an economic disaster thanks to raygun and mccain, can you recall the Keeting banking mess in your history lesson? I can, I witnessed it, almost lost a house becuase of it, so don't try to change history, there are too may of us who lived it and we are not forgetting that the repugnants are pure evil, always have been, always will be.

John B: It's very simple. When a US company pays a foreign host country a 20% tax on their foreign profits they get a 20% credit against their 35% US tax rate for taxes already paid on those foreign earnings. What the Dems bill would do is eliminate the 20% credit and the US company would end up paying 20% to the foreign country plus 35% to the US for a total tax hit of 55%.

A foreign owned competitor company that is based in a country that does not have a tax system like the US, would only pay the foreign host county 20% tax, thus putting the US company at a severe competitive tax disadvantage. THAT's the reason Congress put in the Foreign Tax Credit many years ago.

If the Dem bill passed there would be a huge incentive for US companies to relocate their country of incorporation outside the US just to eliminate the competitive tax disadvantage. The typical lefty liberal "unintended consequence" of Dem central planning committee ideas.

BTW, even FR lefty liberals are eligible to take the FTC on their 1040's to reduce their US income taxes. If you own a foreign stock mutual fund, say Fidelity Latin America or T Rowe Price New Asia, in a taxable account and there is any foreign country tax withholding on interest or dividends, you can take the FTC on the back of your 1040. Turbotax will do it for you if you enter the withholding from the 1099.

So, JAS1, which part of the Civil Rights Act or Affirmative Action initiatives would you repeal?

Perhaps any parts that talk about equality for women, like the Lilly Ledbetter Amendment.........

What say you?

I'm quite sure I don't have all the answers, but that feeling is magnified today. I have a lot of questions. Given what I hear with incredible frequency, we are a center-right country. Center right guys help me out here.

During the Bush years - the young one - this country instituted not one, but two very large tax cuts, both of which have clearly contributed to the current deficit. In fact, it appears this is the largest component of projected debt.

We have now just been treated to a report that tells us that the cost of the invasions/incursions in Iraq and Afghanistan will be AT LEAST a trillion-dollars MORE than originally estimated, and in all likelihood will be even more than that. (I want to point out that according to this report, the greatest expenses for war-incurred injuries occur about 40 years after the G.I.'s serve. That would place a great burden on our children and grandchildren. Just wanted to toss in the obligatory concern about them. You know how the Teabaggers are.)

Then of course, there was the unfunded Medicare prescription coverage estimated to cost on the order of a trillion-dollars.

Since revenues NEVER exceeded expenditures during the Bush years, those costs were financed with borrowed money which of course meant increased interest payments.

That meant that the current crazed, socialist, Marxist, left-wing, fascist President Obama had as his very first budget item an interest payment of almost a half-trillion-dollars.

Please help me understand how the Bush Administration reflected that center right point of view that you talk about. Also, given the fact that the current Republican contenders for Congress refuse to delineate their solutions for balancing the budget, would you tell me how you know they are also center-tight just like almost everybody else in the country? Right, Joe in Albany? Right, No Joe? Right, JoAnna Smith? Right, all you center-right types?

I'm so confused and angry. Makes me want to go out and handcuff a reporter or get a buddy and jump on a little girl carrying a sign.

chilled

So, JAS1, which part of the Civil Rights Act or Affirmative Action initiatives would you repeal?

Perhaps any parts that talk about equality for women, like the Lilly Ledbetter Amendment.........

What say you?

The Lady doesn't Know who Lilly Ledbetter is. I mentioned it as one of the first bills the President signed some time back. She said Lilly who?

Agree David Walker----

Recently a poster used the phrase..."The Right keeps spinning and we're all getting dizzy"!

They can't spin their way out of the obvious!

Sad but true Bev--

I suspected as much, based on some of her inane posts!

Lilly who?...OMG...

David Walker: I'm so confused and angry.

You ain't seen nothing yet DW. It will get worse for you soon. Much worse.

chilled: So, JAS1, which part of the Civil Rights Act or Affirmative Action initiatives would you repeal?

Repeal? Who said anything about a repeal? That's all that is being said is that there are laws in place today that treat people differently based on who they are. Old Navy was saying that the "Evil Republicans" were going to change the Constitution to support treating different classes of people differently. I'm just pointing out that those laws exist today with Affirmative Action.

But then faced with overpaid, underproductive union employee's, the company still can make more money outsourcing...........go figure.

Workers in China make about 200 a month for a skilled job and about 23 cents an hour for unskilled. How do you plan to compete with that I know you hate unions so will you work for 50 bucks a week. Calling all union members unproductive is like calling all republicans uneducated. What about the massive recalls of Toyota and Nissan which drawf any recall of a US brand is that because non union workers are simply incompetent. I know they don't think their work is worth much, perhaps they are right. When the government lends money to GM and Chrysler the president is a socialist, so is Ronald Regan a socialist because the government loaned money to Chrysler when he was president. I guess Regan was just giving a handout to unions. How about the savings and loan bailout of the 80,s another Ronald Regan socialist, Marxist, communist, takeover of the banks. Keep busting unions and you will lower your own pay even further and you will still be saying it is because they make to much. The fact is no American can compete with the slave wages of foreign nations. You think this is because of union members, unions represent about 13% of the workforce, it might be because the 87% of the non-union workforce is just not as productive as the average 12 year old in China

joanna proves again how ignorant she is about US politics, odonnell would love you.

Figure out the Lilly Thingy yet, JAS1?

JoAnna Smith:

I believe you made my case and tied it up with a bow. You can't explain how we are a center-right country. You never could. You can't, because you're nothing more than a right-wing parrot, a bumper sticker sound bite.

However, once in a while even the blind pig gets an acorn. You sure got it right when you wrote, "You ain't seen nothing yet DW. It will get worse for you soon. Much worse."

Yesssssirrrrreeeee JoAnna, vote Republican and it will get worse - MUCH WORSE.

Right Forrest, exactly so. When the average-income Conservatives on this board cry about union wages the thought process is "he makes more than I do, so he's overpaid." It's class warfare in which the middle class has been enlisted to destroy itself.

When the leaders of Conservatism work to stir up talk of overpaid workers they're thinking of the ENTIRE middle class. They are resentful of paying people more than the $200/mo they could pay in China because they see it as stealing profit from them. Ultimately they'd love to pay that same wage HERE.

As a member of the middle class I'm tired of suffering the effects of class warfare from the top down. Denying it is to unilaterally disarm.

Thank You John, to listen to some here you would think union members are going to Beverly Hills with their toolboxes. The funny thing is the only people who tell me I make too much are people that make less than me, My doctor and my lawyer would not dream of doing what I do for the money I make. It is always somebody that works for peanuts that is telling me they don't want no corrupt union thug taking their money. They have no clue. They patch holes in their trailer home and vote republican because it makes them feel better about being screwed. But I will tell you this when we organize a non-union shop those employees become some of the strongest supporters of the union, something about being able to feed your wife and kids, and knowing they can see a doctor if necessary, I guess. Even management when alone (not in front of their boss) will tell you I hope you guys get a little raise then I will get a little raise. Unions have and will continue to improve the wages and working conditions of not only their members but the non-union, and middle management as well. People say unions are a thing of the past, they are no longer necessary, but they will not be a thing of the past until human greed is a thing of the past. Notice I said greed not profit, we make a good profit for the employer, we have to or we are both out of business. Profit is a good thing, but so is a fair slice of that profit produced by your labor.

Davey Walker: I believe you made my case and tied it up with a bow. You can't explain how we are a center-right country.

Ehh, I never said it was . . . . And by the way, very nice bow.

DW: However, once in a while even the blind pig gets an acorn. You sure got it right when you wrote, "You ain't seen nothing yet DW. It will get worse for you soon. Much worse."

Yesssssirrrrreeeee JoAnna, vote Republican and it will get worse - MUCH WORSE.

Most likely for you. With no more government benefits, you might actually need to get a job.

David Walker:

The Bush Administration provided record revenues to the federal government during the two terms of George Bush. During this administration the federal government spent way too much, too, all of it devised and approved by congresses of various make-up.

Can't blame deficits totally on tax cuts when expenditures exceeded record revenues, approximately $4 trillion more federal revenues during the Bush Administration than the Clinton Administration.

DW, DNV, John's

I read all your statements, wanting to blame everything on Bush, that's okay with me, but according to the Constitution--who appropriates the money for the government?

Yet I hear all the complaints, but what are your solutions? DNV once said we had 2 unfunded wars, well, wasn't this President going to get us out of them? Why are Americans still dying? If you know who appropriates the money, then why hasn't Congress done their job and brought our troops home or funded them in a budget?

What are the rest of your solutions? Tax the rich, so they move their money overseas, then who gets stuck with the bill. When do you all start cutting programs, all programs?

Maybe you could give some details?

JoAnne,

The libs sure are on you about lilly. They act like she is someone important. So just in case anybody wants to know, I'll just run by the high points.

Lilly Ledbetter was a disgruntled employee at Goodyear tire. They did not pay her as much as her male counterparts. Might be do to her poor performance, might not, I don't know, I wasn't there, much like the people posting about her.

Long story short, in typicall lib fashion, she sued the company and now all out tires cost us more money...........way to go lill

Richard:

I asked how anyone could claim this country is center-right given the performance of the Bush Administration. I could have gone back 50 years actually, but I was trying to make a point.

Regardless, while your post is factually correct, the truth remains that during the Bush years, expenditures vastly exceeded revenues. That is NOT a center-right behavior. Further, you address only the tax cuts. I mentioned the tax cuts AND the cost of the wars and prescription benefits. You actually buttress my point when you say revenues during the Bush years than the Clinton years, yet the Clinton administration's total deficit was much less than that left by Bush.

My point was and remains that this is assuredly not a center-right country. Indeed, it is a gimme, gimme country, and both left and right exhibit this behavior. However, it is the right that is busy telling us about fiscal responsibility, just as it is the right that touts its wonderful moral behavior.

I don't know where you fall in the political spectrum. I'm not inclined to peg you as a right-winger because your post was accurate. However, I have no problem calling Republicans and their Teabagger associates out as the hypocrites they are. They are both fiscally and morally bankrupt.

Joanna:

I'm actually sort of retired. Still pay taxes. Still run a small business. Still have time to call out people like you who can't defend their spoon-fed talking points.

So democrats can do more with less, and republicans do less with more. You got a point there.

DW,

Still in the same, blame someone else.

When are any of you gonna come up with solutions?

Forrest,

I don't know when the Democrats have done more with less, please, throughout history, they are the ones coming up with social welfare programs that will someday bankrupt this country.

Yeah someday, Bush did it instantly.

Besides fighting for equality and justice for the middle class is not welfare. Giving handouts to the extremely wealthy is.

Regan - largest deficit ever middle class lost ground. Bush - largest deficit ever, middle class lost ground. Clinton - surplus middle class gained ground.Those are facts.

David Walker:

I appreciate your thoughtful insight into thow the people are schizo if they think the crowd that broke the country is in anyway qualified to unbreak it.

It's not going to happen.

Republicans win back the House and Senate, America is screwed because Boehner and McConnell are Dumb and Dumberer!

What does equality and justice have to do with social welfare? I thought this was America, everyone has the opportunity to achieve here. So giving SS, Medicare, & welfare are not going to bankrupt this country?

You should know as well as I do, that if the wealthy are too taxed, they will move their money. Heck, just look at your democratic friend, John Kerry, who moved his yacht to Rhode Island to save a hundred grand a year in taxes. He wouldn't have moved it back if the media didn't make a big stink about it.

During the Reagan years, we went from 18% interest rates and inflation to a sustainable economy. And according to most economist, you need a deficit to keep the economy going. But how much of a deficit do we need. I would much rather be working in today's lousy economy than to have to pay 18% inflation and interest rates for homes.

BigBear:

A rather silly post from you. I assigned blame to no one. That was a simple exposition of fact. I note you don't challenge the facts.

I have pointed out to a number of other posters whose views are similar to my own or even at considerable variance, that if we were to sit down in a room, and given full authority to make changes as we saw fit, we could balance the budget and eventually pay off the national debt. Of course, that means compromise, no political axe to grind, the welfare of the nation driving the issue. Of course, it also means sacrificing re-election because everyone has a sacred cow.

But what the hell, you asked for solutions:

• A conversion to a fully graduated progressive tax system. No deductions for children, for charity, for church, etc. No distinctions as to how income is earned. Corporations treated as individuals. (They can kiss their golf course business expenses and the like good-bye.) Progressive surtaxes until debt is retired.
• Defense spending reduced immediately
• Means testing for Social Security
• Government run single-pay health care
• Complete overhaul of civil service system
• Publicly financed campaigns

I have been putting these solutions out for a long, long time. They will work, and I have more.

OK, I've given you the solution(s). Tell me, how will you get the American public to buy into those reforms?

Ah, Civil Service system overhauled--reduce federal employee salaries by 5% and save 2.5 billion per year.

I agree, if corporations are people in elections, they are people in taxation.

I don't have a problem with defense cuts, as long as our troops are not put in harms way. They deserve the best weaponry and protection.

I don't think that you will ever get the tax done, beside, I think we should have a flat tax on everyone. And I disagree with not having some tax credits.

Mine would be $5000 per year for owning a home

$3000 per year for dependents

$3500 per year as personal deduction

$2500 per year per dependent for medical

Then flat tax the rest of your income. But we are spitting in the wind, because politicians will never allow either of our plans to go forward.

Reform SS, that would be welcomed.

I am not in favor of our government running much of anything, so a single-pay health care system would be out for me personally.

I could live with publicly financed campaigns. Don't have a problem with people wanting the job to help Americans, but right not people are spending millions for a job that pays thousands. Wonder Why?

I don't know how old you are BB but up to the late 60's people did not have an equal shot at the american dream and there are people that would like to go back there.

Let's just say, I was a Woodstock. So I am old enough to remember, yet want to forget a lot of stuff.

I know that people were not always treated fairly, even today we have that. But governmental control over our lives is not what made this country great. We have had our up and downs throughout history, but it has been our rugged individualism that made this country strong from the outset.

Should there be some rules and regulations, I can compromise on that, but total government control--as some would say--nanny state, is not what responsible citizens should want.

The Congressional Budget ofice ( non-partisan) reports that under G. Bush, the national debt grew at about 104 billion dollars per year. Under B. Obama, the national debt is growing a 104 billion dollars per month.

The parts of the health care bill in effect now have produced two things. premiums have risen 10 to 17%. And no major carriers any longer offer child medical ins. Must be part of a family policy. Family policies are approaching $1000.00 per month. projected to be 1500.00 by 2014. The health care bill did nothing to lower the cost, a key item of the republican demands. Including those whose benefits have run out, the unemployment rate is at 18%. Democrats are attacking Republicans for giving China special trade status, yet well over 150 fof them voted for it too. Go to factcheck.org, and see all the lies both parties are telling.

I would like to pose a question? Do you think that a white president could get away with the process that our President has installed? Are we that far gone on being ashamed to criticize the actions of this president because we don't want to be called a racist?

Do you have a link to that information oldman? It doesn't jibe with the numbers that we ran a $1.4T deficit last year and a $1.3T deficit this year.

long post to say well anything but the truth. Why do people waste their time and energy on the printed word to spread lies? Nov. 2, this is change you will have to believe in......time to panic!

Proud republican, of course corps get tax breaks to go over seas or outsource, but don't blame unions. I don't know what you do, but if a corp could outsource your job, they would. Who would you blame then?

Another great post Navy Vet! But the right-wing spin continues:

Boehner has been on the road headlining rallies for Republican candidates in Ohio and across the country, and he’ll continue his busy campaign schedule into the final weekend before Tuesday’s referendum on "Democrats’ jobs-killing policies.”

OMG, you might notice Boehner and his ilk never reference how they failed to create jobs the last eight years--barely keeping pace with population growth. And as mentioned, how they have helped to outsource jobs--heck how they've been turning the American Dream into an American Nightmare in general.

Doesn't any right-winger question things like abolishing the minimum wage? The whole anti-union thing is amazing. How do workers think they got vacation time, health care, pension plans/401Ks from employers? Do they think these companies decided to provide this from the kindness of their hearts?

We definitely have an education problem in our country. People don't even know recent history let alone geography, and of course math or science. Those who really run this country (the richest 1%, with help from the creationists) know it is easier to control the masses if you keep them uneducated--you know, like in the Dark Ages. We are indeed going backward in time.

And at the end of the article, there is mention of Vitter. I wish he and Ensign would go away along with other scandalous Republicans like DeLay and Santorum.

Proud Republican Post 1.49,

As usual, in typical Republican/conservative/Tea Party ignore-the-reality and write whatever comes to the auto-response typing muscles, your post contains UNfacts which are twisted and spun. Would you like a loom with that thread of tripe?

Here is a summary of the case, along with the source link. The Supreme Court ruled that she filed after the 180 day limit on pay discrimination. Since she worked for Goodyear Tire since 1979 and was unaware of continuous wage discrimination, she didn't file after the first incident. She filed when she discovered the discrepancy. So the Lily Ledbetter Act was passed in 2009 so this would never happen again. Basically the new law says that every incidence (think paycheck/pay period) of pay discrimination resets the 180-day EEOC clock.

In 1979 Lilly Ledbetter, the plaintiff, began work at the Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company in its Gadsden, Alabama location, a union plant. During her years at the factory as a salaried worker, raises were given and denied based on evaluations and recommendations regarding worker performance, as is typical. All merit increases had to be substantiated by a formal evaluation. In March 1998, Ledbetter inquired into the possible sexual discrimination of the Goodyear Tire Company. In July she filed formal charges with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. In November 1998, after early retirement, Ledbetter sued claiming pay discrimination under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Equal Pay Act of 1963. She started with the same pay but by retirement, she was earning $3,727 per month compared to 15 men who earned from $4,286 per month (lowest paid man) to $5,236 per month (highest paid man).^[4] The Supreme Court did not rule on whether this was discrimination, just the statute of limitations to sue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ledbetter_v._Goodyear_Tire_%26_Rubber_Co.

So, in analyzing your post, I see it contained false statements and no facts, omitted anything even resembling the truth, speculated about a person about whom you obviously know nothing, and for your further edification, Lily Ledbetter will never see a dime of compensation for what happened to HER because the law was not grandfathered - so it doesn't include her. Your claim that "all out (sic) tires cost us more money" because she sued is absolutely false, meritless, baseless, and flat out, straight up, Grade A, B S.

The Supreme Court dodged the real issue - wage discrimination based on gender - which was provable because of the ongoing and identifiable pattern of pay in the company. The Supreme Court only addressed the technicality of the 180-day limit rule.

Goodyear, in this case, profited itself from the work of at least one woman and did so ignoring the Equal Pay Act, which was passed 47 years ago.

So Congress made d@mn sure this didn't happen again by passing the Lily Ledbetter Act.

It is the dems, stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsZpWej8pF4

This can be described as " the unifying value of group suffering " as the British soccer fans support of their team(s) were described recently in the news. The usual rant is " separation of Church and State ", and now we have evolved to the ethical issue of " separation of the Democratic Party from Comedy Central ". Seems that the unity of the party is in "suffering". Blame, and whine are the final line to stand on, like the loosing supporters of a sports team.

Keep the following in mind when you start screaming we are a "Capitalist" country and "Socialism" has not part in it:

America, like most economies in the world, is a mixed economy not a pure capitalist economy. This means it is a combination of both a Capitalist (the Market System) and a Command (Communal System) economy. An economic system characterized by the private ownership of some resources and the public ownership of other resources; some markets are regulated by government.

Pure Capitalism has flaws --- (Some are noted below)

1- No central authority protects property rights, enforces contracts, and otherwise ensures that the rules of the game are followed

2- People with no resources to sell can starve

3- Some producers may try to monopolize markets by eliminating the competition

4- The production or consumption of some goods involves side effects that can harm or benefit people not involved in the market transactions

5- Private firms have no incentive to produce so-called public goods, such as national defense, because private firms cannot prevent nonpayers from enjoying the benefits of public goods.

Because of these (and other) limitations, countries have modified pure capitalism to allow some role of government. Even Adam Smith (author of the “Invisible Hand” theory of the market) believed government should play a role.

So see NO country in the WORLD exemplifies a pure capitalist economy…and for good reason.

The United States is a “MIXED ECONOMIC SYSTEM” with government directing accounting for about one third of all economic activity. It also regulates the private sector in many ways. While capitalism dominates the system it is not purely capitalist for very good reasons.

While pure capitalism has its flaws though, pure command economies (North Korea for example) are disasters.

The United States blends private choice, guided by the price system in competitive markets, with public choice, guided by Democracy in political markets.

There are no PURE CAPITALIST ECONOMIES and; as Command economies increasingly move towards the market system (Capitalism), like us, they have retained the best parts of the Command System.

Because it makes good ECONOMIC sense!!

Do some research!! Don’t just repeat things you heard because they “SOUNDED” good.

The problems I see with most arguing things on the "Right" is they merely repeat what they "Heard" that suits their argument...they don't research or confirm things because they already "SOUND" right.

Skimming the surface is LAZY!!! ----> Even a dead fish can go with the flow <----

I for one am tired of the labels…commie, socialist, etc.

America is a Mixture of capitalism and command economic philosophies…

And by the way they have been for a long time…

In addition, the “Command” part is akin to socialism…it is what allows for public services (national defense, police, firefighters, road repair….etc., etc.)

This is not a new concept…

Or one we can abandon…

Unless the next time you need a policeman or fireman you want to do without….

THINK! Don’t just repeat things you heard without actually looking into it…

Great post CI. Please, continue to participate, you make strong arguments.

As an army veteran of the Gulf War , I'm amazed at that a real vet would have these views. Your heading is a little deceptive as medical retirement for a service connected disability does not reflect a true career unless you were wounded in action , you probably spent a good deal of time on sick-call . Use some common sense how does it benefit companies to go overseas with instability around the world? Could it be the price of doing business here is way too expensive?

I'm middle class I work everyday and yes my purchasing power is weak and yet I get back on the hamster wheel day after day. It always if funny to me how dems beat up on corporations yet continually shake them down yet accept money from them. I have to wonder too, being the party of power , why haven't the dems brought back the overseas jobs? I mean you have consolidated power it should have been do-able.

Skeptic, EXCELLENT post

The only thing I would 'change' is that you should have down graded his BS. Pretty much to a FAIL. But otherwise, well said!

Sorry but the 'tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas' garbage is just that!! They voted against a law that would not allow companies to defer taxes on income made overseas. Not quite the same thing.

and didn't the dems INCREASE H1B visas, allowing comapnies to hire non-citizens for high paying technical jobs here in the US? How is that helping the US job market?

Handgunner- unprecedented,even

Unprecedented!

The dreamers on the right are busy today pushing their fantasies.

I have a question: If when the government controls or owns business that is called Socialism. What is it called when business controls and owns thee government? That seems to be where we are headed so I like to know the proper term. I call it screwed but I realize that is not the proper term.

Forrest,

Hope this helps.

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.

Now, when the corporations own the government, according to everyone on here, that would be republicanism:)

Thanks Big Bear, so were not going to be a Republic we are going to be a Republicanism. I think you got something there.

See,

Even right wingers can joke around.

I don't believe that the government should do everything for everyone, yet I don't like the thought of Exxon telling me what to purchase or sell. And I have worked for them.

So, somewhere in the middle is where we need to be. Allowing businesses to provide jobs, making sure that the government doesn't give to much you owe them a vote.

Quote from Big Bear:

"Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources."

Under this definition, the NFL is a socialist enterprise (which it is, actually) and the Green Bay Packers are the most socialist team of them all. It is owned completely by the people who bought single, $200 shares of the team. They don't have an owner. They have a GM and a President who make decisions.

They are a very successful socialist entity. Don't you think? Hell, the entire NFL (with profit-sharing, a salary-cap and a nice minimum salary) is a big socialist enterprise, and one of the most successful in the nation.

When you watch the games this Sunday, you might want to think about that.

When corporations own the government, it is called an oligarchy. In other words, Russia.

Green Bay does have shareholders, BUT the organization is in no way connected with the govt. If it was, they would be broke.

Kevin, now the socialists are calling buying shares in a company is socialism. George Orwell is alive and well isn't he? Isn't owning shares in a PRIVATE company, the definition of private ownership and has doodly-squat to do with socialism. Some lib posts on here are totally unbelievable.

This is too real not to share with everyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsZpWej8pF4

When does flying around on the public dime while campaigning for only your party become electioneering?

Drive By;

May I have a write in please?? LOL

Have a great day look forward to your wisdom today.

Obama can fly around all he wants and get in front of any camera he wants. Every time he does, a few more races swing over to the GOP column. Notice that the Republicans are staying low key about the elections, just running their ads locally, pointing towards the Democrat they are running against and highlighting his/her record and how it connects to Obama. Obama is his own worst enemy right now, the more he talks, the more people swing over to the GOP.

"Yes We Can" indeed.

Let's stop it with the "on the public dime" stuff---parties reimburse the government for the cost of politically related travel. Did you say this stuff when your hero George Bush was President and did the same thing?

And JoAnna--why are the Democrats doing better in all polls in the past few weeks---coinciding with the President's more active campaigning??

JoAnnaSmith1

Obama can fly around all he wants and get in front of any camera he wants. Every time he does, a few more races swing over to the GOP column. Notice that the Republicans are staying low key about the elections, just running their ads locally, pointing towards the Democrat they are running against and highlighting his/her record and how it connects to Obama. Obama is his own worst enemy right now, the more he talks, the more people swing over to the GOP.

I NOTICED most of those ads depicting a swing towards the GOP were Fax-mussen (read Rasmussen) and Fox Noise aka the Republican Campaign office. Essentially, that means the polls are skewed!!!

I have not seen any low key Republicans. Rather, I've seen a tiny frame Move on.org member get beat down, a Sharon Angle male supporter slap a woman in addition to numerous hateful ads on a daily basis, some even back to back against President Obama and Democrats.

Lady JoAnna, have a nice day spinning and denying facts.

The Liberals are angry, disrespectful, and are lashing out today.

I know, I know. How is that any different from any other day.

If those are the options, I'm going to embark on a last minute write in campaign for myself. Grimey 2012!!

Steeler-Fan:

And JoAnna--why are the Democrats doing better in all polls in the past few weeks---coinciding with the President's more active campaigning??

You mean, polls like this:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/10/27/5362039-nbc-ratings-changes-governors

Ha, the liberals are angry, disrespectful and lashing out today? Ever read what you write JoAnna Smith or ITM or No Joe--talk about angry, disrespectful and lashing out--the right does this every hour of every day of every week. You get no respect because you give none.

JoAnna,

The last few weeks of attempted disparagement of the Republican Party has only PROVEN the desparation of the Democrats. Democrats DO NOT WANT to run on their last two years in office. The paid trolls here can cut and paste all day long, but the vast majority of U.S. citizens eagerly await the opportunity to repudiate Obama's policies.

It will be "interesting" to watch Obama's next two years WITHOUT HIS LEMMINGS to rubber-stamp his unread bills.

Hi Frank, good to see ya again. I trust everything is well with you. The next two years should really be interesting.

Drive by:

Who is more qualified to run for president in 2012- Palin, or Stewart?

Why not Steven Colbert? Republicans don't get satire, so his convincing personna as a rigthwing blowhard could probably fool enough of them to beat Palin for the Republican nomination.

Don't worry about JoAnna, she's running scared of all the polls showing a surge for the Democrats, and just trying to make herself feel better by lying and making things up. Me thinks she's finally realizing her friends over at Fox are lying to her, that's why she's going rogue.

Hey Navy...

Can't complain too much. Ok...maybe a little...it's almost November and its 90 degrees down here in Florida!! But, otherwise its all good. I'll be happy when the campaign ads down here are over. We've got a 3-way Senate race with all 3 candidates advertising, a competitive governor's race, and a vicious House race where one of the candidates has likened the other to a biker gang. I don't think I've seen a positive ad yet. Seriously, my tv goes to black and white with ominous music so often that I thought it was broken or I'd jumped in a Delorian and gone back to 1955!

JoAnnaSmith1

The Liberals are angry, disrespectful, and are lashing out today.

I know, I know. How is that any different from any other day

Joanna, as a liberal i'm not mad!! not at all, I"m very happy why ?

when the mid terms are over and the republicans have been infiltrated by the tea party, and the party of No for the last 2 years will turn in to the party of hell No. the tea party is going to derail the republicans. just look at whats happening in alaska, sarah is all over Murkowski, mitch mcConnel can't control rand paul, and Bohner last week said that he know how to control the tea party, yea Right!!!

So Joanna after next tuesday i'm going to sitting on the side lines laughing my ass off watching the tea party including sarah, go up against Mike Steele. Mitch, and Bohner of the republicans,

Karl rove has said as much, and now with the real republicans coming out to say sarah is a fraud and does not have any of whay it takes to be president i just can't wait for this.

this is going to be like the WWF.

Jeff, I did not see your response to me on the tunnel project until late last night.

I think as originally proposed, that is, having a new tunnel connect with Grand Central, the project was a good idea. If that is not feasible, connect it with Penn Station.

If that cannot be done, then NYC should pay to build their own new station. The 45,000 jobs that are projected to come as a result of this project will, after all, be in NYC- at the new station.

There is no good reason for New Jersey to build it.

So, back to the drawing board. Let us come up with a better, fairer plan.

No Jo

If that cannot be done, then NYC should pay to build their own new station. The 45,000 jobs that are projected to come as a result of this project will, after all, be in NYC- at the new station.

No Jo, you got to be kidding, why the hell was jersey on the hook for so much money if the preminate jobs were going to be in NYC!!!

That crazy, so my last question on this is why would your former governer sign off on something as backwards as this.

say what you want about chicago, but with Ohare expansion chicago is on the hook for that and the jobs at Ohare are not going to another state.

To be honest, maybe we need a real 3rd party, that way folks in Washington will have to work across the aisle with each other to do the correct thing.

I would vote for Grimey in a minute! He is possibly the only Republican that I could get behind!! Good to see you posting.

Woo hoo...I've got one vote!!! Thanx Steeler Fan! Couple million more and I'm in business. I'll need a catchy party name....Maybe something obvious akin to "The Rent is Too High" party. Perhaps, "The White House Should Move to Vegas" party or the "Politicians Argue Too Much Party" or something like that. Work in progress!

You know you have my vote as well Grimey!

I'm leaning towards... What happened in Margaritaville last weekend Party? ;0)

FR...I like it!! Actually, I think I will campaign on what my first executive order would be...

If members of Congress act like children, then they shall be treated like children...The President shall have the right to send members of Congress back to their offices to think about what they did. Or, if that is not an option, timeouts may be given.

Frank "Grimey" Grimes: If members of Congress act like children, then they shall be treated like children...The President shall have the right to send members of Congress back to their offices to think about what they did. Or, if that is not an option, timeouts may be given.

It's always a hoot when people think Congress works for the President. Whereas it might have appeared that this was true for the last two years, Congress is in fact a separate and equal branch of the government. Now that party is over, and Obama and his administration will be experiencing that truth real soon now, and I don't think Barack will handle it very well.

JoAnna...

I'm definitely aware of that. And I'm not saying that President Obama should have it...just saying that if I'm President I should. I also believe that the White House should be moved to Vegas and the National Debt paid off with some serious luck at the roulette wheel...so take what I say with a grain of salt. ;-)

Congress is like a bull run amouck in a China Shop or kids in a candy store without adults. It will be worse after next week.

Frank "Grimey" Grimes: so take what I say with a grain of salt. ;-)

Will do.

Frank, Joanna doesn't know what satire/humor is. She is too busy drinking her HATERADE and swallowing her bitter pills.

Haterade, now thats funny!

Stewart over Palin anyday of the week. He may be a comedian, but he knows his stuff, and his voice does not make my ears hurt.

Neither, equally.

Or either, if they're running against the current occupant.

Republicans don't have a chance at the POTUS with any of the current players. Obama's ratings are higher than Regan's and Clinton's at this juncture and they did not have to deal with the 24/7 bashing he has been taking since day one. The republicans will have to pull a rabbit out of their hat they don't have anybody at the moment that pulls the kind of support Obama does across the demographic board.

Forrest,

2 more years of overspending and it won't matter who the Republicans throw out there. It'll be kind of like this last election, Republicans knew they couldn't win the White House after Bush, think about it, they threw the most liberal Republican/maverick out there and couldn't get a bite.

If Obama doesn't change his position and become more like Clinton, in the middle on political issues, he will be a goner, and the Republicans can throw out Rush Limbaugh and win:)

I don't think so BB, boomers are dying off like crazy, and I don't see many young people at republican events, lots of young people do not know who Rush is the republican agenda does not hold much interest with the young people I know. McCain, Romney, Palin, they are dinosaurs compared to Obama with the younger crowd and they are not as concerned with race as the boomers were. I think he gets even stronger as time goes by.

I am glad to here you say that the boomers are dying off, especially since the average age of most males is 72, and for females is like 75-76. And most of them haven't even started to retire. I am glad that one of the people on here see what the health care reform has done--gotcha:)

It really won't matter if he chooses to go to the center of political issues, but if he stays too far left, the people won't keep him around. Heck, even Ross Perot might be a better option:)

2 more years of overspending and it won't matter who the Republicans throw out there. It'll be kind of like this last election, Republicans knew they couldn't win the White House after Bush, think about it, they threw the most liberal Republican/maverick out there and couldn't get a bite.

You know, Big bear, i was always wondering about what you just typed. After President Bush, the GOP leadership knew that their 'brand' was tarnished. Throwing out Sen. McCain was probably the best they could have done. It was pretty obvious that the GOP leadership didn't really like him at all. The kicker is this though - McCain probably could have had a better chance of winning if he had picked a different running mate.

All of this makes perfect sense to me now.

Too bad Sarah Palin was not willing to be a 'nice pretty shiny thing' and look cute for the cameras for Sen. McCain.

I guess if the GOP had the Tea Party (and they could have) back then, we probably would have had a dfferent nominee altogether.

Sarah makes to much money to run. If Chris Christie decides to run, he will get 80% of the vote.

SO- Obama lost the 700,000 jobs while Bush was still in office? Dang- no wonder so many people don't like him!

Nice spin, it was also reported that it was the best numbers since 2008. I saw the same program this AM. Fact is, that no matter how slow the recovery is it is going in the correct direction.

When President Obama came into office we were loosing 700,000 jobs per month. This slowly declined through the summer and into the fall. By Jan 2009 we were adding (a positive number) of private sector jobs and the last I heard that has continued for 9 consecutive months.

Jobs are slow, especially when you take into consideration that the republicans have opposed every Job Creation Bill, The US Chamber of Commerce is pushing jobs Overseas it is amazing that President Obama has been able to do what he has done. The republicans have disclosed their agenda to make President Obama a one term President, with that attitude I do not see America moving forward anytime soon. It will take both parties to move this country and we now know one is not interested no matter how much it destroys the middle class.

STTS

Not sure how you can Spin 436,000 jobs lost last WEEK,,, and 460,000 the week before that . And 455,000 the week before that.. and 450,000 the week before that.. thats over 1.8 million jobs lost in the past MONTH.....

We understand that you think 435,000 more americans out of work is an Improvement..

But those of us that actually think understand its bad.........

America will not go back to work until they decide that 200 dollars a month is a good wage, then we will be competitive with China and India in the unegulated free market.

There goes Steve again praying the economy fails, how patriotic of him.

BTW: The report shows claims were down 21,000 best jobs report since Cheney/Bush were in office. Quote the whole report Steve not just what fits your talking point.

Mo..

I understand that you think 435,000 NEW PEOPLE out of work is an improvement...

Classic Conservative spin to quote new unemployment claims--which ALWAYS exist at some level--and ignore the total jobs number, which takes into account the TOTAL employment picture.

Or perhaps Steve wasn't awake when they tried to teach him addition and subtraction. Using September as an example;

Government employment fell by 159,000, reflecting both the departure
of 77,000 temporary Census 2010 workers from federal government pay-
rolls and a decline of 76,000 in local government employment. Private-
sector payroll employment continued to trend up (+64,000) over the
month.

Oh look, some people lost their jobs and yet there were MORE people working! http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

So... Tell us how that works John......... Govt lost 159,000....and the private sector created 64,000 jobs.. thats a negative job gain of 97,000 jobs....

and now Just last Week New Unemployment claims were up 435,000..

a total of 1.8 Million new Unemployment claims in the last month....

it just doens't add up.. does it...

John in Des Moine

I don't know how you all do math in Iowa, considering that you have a standardized test.

But where I come from, gaining 64,000 jobs, but having 432,000 new unemployed people just doesn't look good. And the 64K is by the month, whereas the unemployment claims are done weekly.

Am I happy unemployment figures are down. Sure am, but 64K jobs a month when we have over 1.6 million new unemployment claims a month, that is not good for anyone.

Folks,

The weekly numbers are new applications for unemployment. The monthly numbers for employment growth take into consideration the four (or five depending on the month) weekly values. You're all basically correct, roughly 1.8 million people filed new unemployment claims, and approximately 64K jobs were "created". If you want to do the math, here's how it works: 1.8 million people lost jobs, and 1.864 million people found jobs for a net increase in employment of 64K jobs. Not a good performance by any stretch of the imagination, but better than a net negative.

living in LA..

If Obama and the Democrats had Created 1.864 MILLION jobs.. they would be telling us they Created that many jobs......They arent.....

Steve,

First off, let me say that I agree that the jobs picture is not good; however it is not nearly as bad as you are making it sound by playing fast and loose with the numbers.

New unemployment claims are an early indicator of the level of change in employment, which is what we are really concerned about. There will always be some new unemployment claims even if there is a positive change in the level of employment. In other words, the economy could have a strong net gain in jobs one week and we would still see some new unemployement claims.

The two measures don't perfectly correlate but in a week that has no change in the employment level (zero change in the level of employment) we would expect to see new unemployment claims of around 400,000.

So if we had 300,000 new unemployment claims the economy would actually be adding jobs.

Its a complicated explanation which is why it is easy to spin the numbers.

Steve,

They didn't create 1.864 million jobs, the net effect was 64K, increase in jobs. If they had lost 1.8 million jobs, the unemployment rate would have gone up roughly a point (1.8mm jobs lost / ~200 mm employed) =1% additional unemployment. My point is pretty simple, the net effect is what you're looking at, not summing up four weeks of unemployment claims, and then comparing it to the number of net new employees in a given month. It can be confusing, but the two, while related, are not the same thing.

Steve isn't really that dense, it's a diversionary tactic. By slight of hand, deceptive use of statistics, and talking around the issue he'd like us to ignore the fact that total employment is now increasing, rather than decreasing at the rate of 3/4 MILLION per month as it was when GW Bush headed south to sell his pretend ranch.

Yes.. John.. Yes....

Unemployment has Increased by nearly 5 percent since the Democrats took Control of Congress in 2007

Facts undisputable.........

Sorry, Steve. I'm probably in basic agreement with you on most things, but Living in LA has the best handle on this issue. Even in a 5% unemployment economy, new unemployment claims would probably run around 200,000 per month. Yet, in such an economy, net job creation would probably be positive and robust, depending on what the direction is at a given time.

Familiarize yourself with the term "net".

It's kind of like saying tax cuts were responsible for all the deficits when in reality the federal government took in $4 trillion more during the Bush administration than it did during the Clinton administration.

Spending, by whoever, was/is the culprit. That is, if deficits matter. Seems they do if your talking about Bush, but it's "stimulus" if it's Obama.

Sorry, make that 200,000 per week and if "you're" talking about Bush.

Richard,

I am in agreement with most of what you have posted however... In your own post you realize that even in a Great Ecomony most New Unemployment claims per week are about 200k.. and the job creation would be about the same (in a great Economy)..that would be just to maintain a 5 percent unemployment.. so now we are losing 450k per week and Creating 450k per week?

the numbers dont add up i understand the "net"....... but our economy is not Great as a matter of fact .. most know its terrible

I am waiting til after the Mid Terms. I predict we will see a Large uptick in the Unemployment Rate.....

BTW Richard...

how is the Weather over there in the Eastern part of the State...... Its Raining on this side..

Steve,

You prove the point that this administration CUTTING government jobs does not fit with the Republican talking point about socialism and Barry wanting to GROW government, so apparently you choose to ignore the data OR belittle it.

I wonder why you hate smaller government, Steve? Are you really a Republican? Are you even an American?

Clara,

Nice Stretch..... but that dog wont hunt.....

Clara in the wrong KC,

If you didn't realize it, most of the government jobs lost were those of census workers, temporary jobs, budgeted every 10 years to count the people of this great nation. And the other government jobs, 76K of them were local, state jobs that the stimulus did not stimulate enough. State and Local governments are shrinking, because there is NO tax revenue to keep them employed, and in some cases, like Bell California, where public employees get paid a little too much.

The fact of the matter is, no matter how you look at it, unemployment stays high, job creation stays low. Until they flip-flop, the President has a thorn in his side, that he keeps ignoring. Which is what has most people upset.

77,000 census workers + 76,000 state and local jobs would be a reduction of 153,000 jobs. Government employment was reduced in September by 159,000. That would mean that Federal employment was also reduced by 6,000 non-census workers. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

I have been trying to figure out the mindset of a liberal. Lets see, you want high wages, benefits, but you are against corporations making money. You hate corporations but will do about anything to work for one. Why does it not bother you that most people make less than half what you make? You support unions but never think about if all business was unionized. If all labor is that high, your union wages would be like minimum wage, and you would cry. The problem with you people is it is all about me, me, me. Screw the other guy, as long as I get mine.

Not opposed to corporations making profits. Liberals are concerned about how they choose, and are allowed through lobbying, to make their profits: private rewards bolstered by public risks.

I'm not against corporations, I'm in management at a corporation. I'm against corporations who compete unfairly in the marketplace by cutting corners on the legalities. I'm against corporations that buy preferential treatment from politicians. I'm against corporations that drive wages down to such a level that their employees have to live on public assistance. I'm against corporations that control so much of the market that they have a virtual monopoly and stifle competition. I'm against corporations that spend vast amounts to lobby for deregulation in order to legalize things that ought to be illegal and certainly are unethical.

Does that seem unreasonable?

Steve-505729

Richard,

I am in agreement with most of what you have posted however... In your own post you realize that even in a Great Ecomony most New Unemployment claims per week are about 200k.. and the job creation would be about the same (in a great Economy)..that would be just to maintain a 5 percent unemployment.. so now we are losing 450k per week and Creating 450k per week?

the numbers dont add up i understand the "net"....... but our economy is not Great as a matter of fact .. most know its terrible

Steve, We are, more or less, creating the same amount of jobs that we are losing. That means we are maintaining roughly the same percent unemployment (about 9.6%). It doesn't mean that the economy is "great" it just means that unemployment has stabilized (or is very slightly improving). If our starting point was 5% unemployment we would be satisfied, but our starting point is 9.6% so we need robust job creation to more than offset new unemployment claims and lower the unemployment level.

You may be able to point to other statistics to claim that the economy is getting worse but all you can say about the employment picture is that it has sabalized with very slow private secotor job growth.

Obviously that's not good enough, but the jobs picture is not getting worse.

Good Morning Frank:

Right on. Heck of a job is now a bad word. You are beating the heck out of me on last December's predictions. I think Monday I will post my election predictions. Looking forward to getting the right answers from you

Hey Ron...

Hope you survived that insane storm in the midwest the other day. (Same to all the Midwestern posters). I thought Florida was supposed to get all the Hurricane like storms! Anyway, you'll have to remind me of our predictions from way back when. I like the idea of posting some specific election predictions on Monday...maybe some of the toss-up Senate and Governor races and overall number of House pickups. Have a good one!

I think that President Obama's use of the phrase "heck of a job" in reference to outgoing Economic Advisor Larry Summers just wrote the GOP's first ads of the 2012 Presidential Campaign.

Obama definitely used a poor choice of words, but I don't think the Republicans will want to remind voters who it was that made the phrase "heck of a job" infamous.

I'll concede that Obama's choice of Summers as economic adviser was worse than his choice of words in describing Summers.

Bev;

Great post, you just destroyed 90% of the talking points that the republican/tea party has been posting here.

I want to know now that McConnell has declared war on President Obama how anything is going to get done the next 2 years??

It is going to take both parties to turn this country around and we now know one party is not interested. In fact they are going to do everything they can to stop any Bills that remotely look like they may help America simply because that would make President Obama look good and McConnell said he cannot stand that.

Hey Bev

Just a few comments on your points.

Health Care Reform does cost a $1T. Yes it is projected to lower the Federal deficit but that is because new taxes and fees were imposed to pay the costs.

As I indicated yesterday, using the criteria set out by Romer and Bernstein the stimulus did not achieve its goals and can legitimately be declared to have failed.

Social Security is broke once it no longer runs a current surplus as the historical surpluses have been spent by prior administrations. As the current deficit in Social Security grows due to demographics more funds will have to be allocated from general funds which means higher taxes or more borrowing.

The argument is not that government spending takes money out of the economy it is that it is not allocated efficiently because the government does not answer to the market. For example the government can build a bridge to nowhere and suffer no consequences where as business would no longer exist if makes poor investment decisions. The same is true for wages and benefits. The government can continue to pay its employees wages and benefits above market rates, as is happening now, with no consequences. However, a business doing this will no longer exist.

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

Bev;

Great post, you just destroyed 90% of the talking points that the republican/tea party has been posting here.

I want to know now that McConnell has declared war on President Obama how anything is going to get done the next 2 years??

Thanks Navy,

Your post inspired me. The President said it best when he said the other day, for the umpteeet time, he looks forward to working with the REPUBLICANS.

I think it was tongue in cheek a way of saying I'm gonna veto every redundant bill you bring me from the time you had. So go ahead make it easy for me for 2012 since no jobs were produced!!!

Bev.... I have seen you here enough, so I know you are aware.... Republicans do not recognize data that goes against agenda.... You know this...

Their mantra is "don't blame Bush" for stuff that happened during his presidency because the Dem. congress had ALL the power. It is quite obvious that they, like their TP ladies, have no idea how our Constitution or government works. They think that a majority in Congress means that anything you introduce just passes through. The President can't veto it.

However, when it comes time to blame people for their pitiful lives, "it's Obamas fault that I can't make my trailer payment"

P.S. I was watching the Glenn Beck comedy hour last night and saw the ad about "food insurance" I thought Colbert was making it up. He is truly an idiot of the highest order

gpotts;

Touche'

Straight to the point.

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

gpotts-1106111

Bev.... I have seen you here enough, so I know you are aware.... Republicans do not recognize data that goes against agenda.... You know this...

Their mantra is "don't blame Bush" for stuff that happened during his presidency because the Dem. congress had ALL the power. It is quite obvious that they, like their TP ladies, have no idea how our Constitution or government works. They think that a majority in Congress means that anything you introduce just passes through. The President can't veto it.

gpotts;

Touche'

Straight to the point.

I know gpotts; I 've been battling with them since the 2008 election. One day they'll have to concede.

Navy, it was so hilarious when I caught a glimpse of it last week. The first thing that came to my mind was grab your fake gold Beck peddles, your freeze dried food, your guns and run for the hills. Violence is coming from the left. At least that what Beck is paid to peddle.

Before I forget, haven’t send any on the left stomping, slapping biting fingers off, sending lethal white powder to a Hispanic Congressman’s office, bringing guns to town, having to go to jail for trying to kill union and the Tides Foundation members or anyone spitting on a Civil Rights icon.

No one the left has stomped a tiny frame woman;but a Tea Bagger did.

Since no one the left has stomped a tiny, little, young woman's head, but a Tea Bagger did; I find that Tea baggers know very little about the 1st amendment in the Constitution. What the tiny, little, woman did was exercise her freedom of speech granted her by the Constitution.

Tea Baggers behavior is criminal when this happens and is antithetical to the Constitution they so profess to love and follow. Crazy!!!

Bev from Chicago and US Navy... you two need to get a room, their is some Liberal left overs on your faces, right there on that side of your lips and a little on your noses. That is O.K. with me, politics with out liberals would be boring, we all need a good laugh and also a reminder of what we need to focus on! We all make this country great, a little of everything, left, right, up, down, and some even go side ways! Thanks for being that kids that our moms warned us about!! Here is some clips for you two to enjoy, have a great day!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLlF5YMf7Yc

And two great clips from a Democrat from California.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRUbwnkEPqc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-IBF8nwSY&feature=related

My President and Sen Reid both mentioned that 60 vote rule in the Senate....another CHANGE is on the way, I believe!

The rule should have been changed at least a year ago. The Repubs have abused the system/filibuster to STOP any and all legislation.

JUST DO IT President Obama!

gpotts

P.S. I was watching the Glenn Beck comedy hour last night and saw the ad about "food insurance" I thought Colbert was making it up. He is truly an idiot of the highest order

You can't make this stuff up! I think Glend has finally gone too far. Even my Beckerhead husband has quit watching him.

From wikipedia:

In the United States Senate, rules permit a senator, or a series of senators, to speak for as long as they wish and on any topic they choose, unless "three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn"[26] (usually 60 out of 100 senators) brings debate to a close by invoking cloture under Senate Rule XXII. This means that as few as 41 senators can make a filibuster happen. According to the Supreme Court ruling in United States v. Ballin (1892), changes to Senate rules could be achieved by a simple majority. Nevertheless, under current Senate rules, a rule change itself could be filibustered, and in this case votes from three fifths of Senators would be required to break the filibuster.[26] Despite this written requirement, the possibility exists that the filibuster could be changed by majority vote, using the so-called nuclear option. (Proponents also refer to it as the constitutional option.) In the modern filibuster, the senators trying to block a vote do not have to hold the floor and continue to speak as long as there is a quorum, although the Senate Majority Leader may require an actual traditional filibuster if he or she so chooses.[27]

I don't see a rule change anytime soon.

So the question remains, why didn't Harry Reid simply make the RE-peat-the-LIE-to-the-PUBLIC-ans stand up and do the real filibuster?

My opnion - three reasons.

1. Sen. Harry Reid is actually a REAL Gentleman, and in the spirit of the Senate he did NOT make the Senators actually filibuster because he felt that he may need a favour from them in the future.

2. If Sen. Reid did make the Senators stand up and talk for hours on end, whenever the Republicans get control of that Chamber, EVERYTHING would be filibustered, grinding the legislative process to a halt. I am thinking that Sen. Reid was thinking about the future and the mean-spiritedness that may arise if he pushed too hard.

3. You let the hypocracy shine through (kinda like what Speaker Pelosi did with President Bush) for partisan political reasons by letting the opposition scream, shout, and obstruct. This may be the reason why we will NOT see Republicans take over the chamber this election cycle.

Agree with this or not, but I think that Sen. Reid knows his chamber and knows how hard to press. I think in the end it worked because President Obama got a LOT of legislation signed in the 22 months he has been in office.

Bev,

I guess since TARP was passed and done with prior to Obama, then Bush gets the credit for the payback and the 8% made on that money?

But didn't Obama take credit for the 8% made, or was it his Treasury Secretary Taxcheatin' Geithner?:)

Pietro:

1. There is nothing ungentlemanly about making use of the rules of the Senate in the Senate. Plenty of gentlemen filibustered, as was their right, prior to 1974.

2. You don't have to be the majority to filibuster. The worry that the Republicans will get control doesn't stop the filibuster from being employed.

3. The hypocrisy of the minority's postition would be better hilighted by their words during a real filibuster, than by giving them the power to permanently kill legislation through the use of the fake filibuster.

4. My having to explain this to you, is the evidence that the FAKE filibuster has you confused about how the Senate fails us.

Yes and the dead end media said it s a man not a Muslim who was arrested. Right , how could we know if the dead end media don't mention these terrorists. What they have now for journalists is an apology. If I had some power, I would employ my own journalists and open my own magazine or paper or employ people who would bring in news., and forget about these deadwood papers.

So far there isn't any proof that Muslims were flying the planes on 9/11. You have no idea who the "animals" are.

Paul-977599

So far there isn't any proof that Muslims were flying the planes on 9/11. You have no idea who the "animals" are.

Isn't it strange; Paul, that CU and Juven are not focusing on what is really relevant. That is the President is still keeping us safe.

Don't forget the two Muslims that Killed all those kids in Columbine, and that little Muslim from Joneboro Ark that did the same, and wasn,t McVey a Muslim.

Longer than Bush/Cheney.

Yes Paul longer than Cheney/Bush.

Cheney/Bush let America be attacked 8 months into their term. President Obama is close to 2 years into his term and we have not been attacked. Any more stupid questions?

...and yet another Muslim who flew that plane into the IRS building in Austin!

Texas Muslims are the most dangerous! Every thing is bigger and badder in Texas.

just wait a few years and it will be obama himself flying planes into buildings...you know how texas likes to write their own version of history...ha ha

So Bev, you say Obama had a smaller deficit but that the stimulus wasn't enough. How much more would YOU have increased the stimulus, and therefore Obama's deficit?

Sorry Navy, but that little contradiction alone destroys about 90% of Bev's rant. Then there is the little fact that Bush's last budget included TARP and Obama's included payback of TARP.

Paul-I really don't know why you are on here. You need to be worrying about that black helicopter that keeps circling your house. The fact that you are one of the only people who knows the TRUTH about 9/11 has made you a target of THEM. I feel in peril just talking to you on here. Go into hiding NOW...and take your friend Beverly with you.

And as for you people that insist that Islamic terror is not a problem; do you really want to compare the school-shooter fad of the 90's and the occasional mental patient violence with a worldwide Islamic ideology bent on killing all those that don't follow Allah, and anybody else they want to kill? Stupid question. Of COURSE you do. People like you get more angry when a Tea Partier steps on some commie's head than you do when muslims just in the last 10 years have either committed, attempted or plotted the murders thousands of Americans in the name of their religion.

This is one of the reasons nobody likes you people. Have you ever noticed that not very many people frequent this site? Have you noticed that MSNBC and the imbeciles that are on the air at night have virtually NO ratings? Have you noticed that people like you think the mainstream media is conservative and is out to get Obama, but NOBODY else thinks this? You people are far-left whiners, kooks and anti-Americans. The country is majority center-right. Get used to it or get the hell out.

Ratings? Not well liked? Is being correct a popularity contest? I am fairly certain that it is not.

You have NO PROOF that Muslims were flying the planes on 9/11. If you are a good American, you simply acknowledge that fact.

OMG Paul, you just won't give it a rest. Muslims were flying the planes on 9/11! Get over yourself or leave the rest of us sane people alone.

Make sure you check this really good for spelling errors while you're at it.

The fact that you have NO PROOF, because you refuse to permit an unhindered investigation, that Muslims were flying the planes on 9/11, doesn't make me the one who is insane about this subject. You are trying to turn 9/11 into a matter of FAITH rather than a matter of truth.

I don't need faith to recognize the truth about 9/11. I guess you need proof that the sky is blue or that grass is green. Like I said, get over yourself!

And I suppose you believe the magician has actually sawed the lady in half, or made her levitate or disappear into thin air.

Just because you don't understand how the "trick" of 9/11 was accomplished, doesn't mean that you should accept the "magician's" explanation of it.

The sky is only blue because we call it blue, the grass is only green because we call it green.

Then, the terrrorist were Muslim because we call them Muslim!

Well, there is the PROOF that this conversation has always been way over your head.

Did you see the report from your precious FAUX News that Al-qaeda #3, Al Awlaki had dinner at the Pentagon with the "Brass" ten days after 9/11? Weren't we supposed to be "looking" for them? Did he fly into our country on a commercial flight?

You keep working on that conspiracy theory. I'm sure it is so conviluted that those of us who are "way in over our heads" could never understand it anyway. LOL!!!

"conviluted"...........really?

Emad Salem?

Al Awlaki at the Pentagon?

You're not seeing a pattern of our involvement with the "MUSLIMS" before and after the crimes take place?

I knew I'd get you with the convoluted thing. You are so easy!

You are not seeing a pattern of your own short comings.

You can play it off as if you think you're fooling anyone who's reading along. But you would only be fooling yourself.

No response yet on Emad Salem or Al Awlaki at the Pentagon?

Steve-505729

Richard,

I am in agreement with most of what you have posted however... In your own post you realize that even in a Great Ecomony most New Unemployment claims per week are about 200k.. and the job creation would be about the same (in a great Economy)..that would be just to maintain a 5 percent unemployment.. so now we are losing 450k per week and Creating 450k per week?

the numbers dont add up i understand the "net"....... but our economy is not Great as a matter of fact .. most know its terrible

Steve, We are, more or less, creating the same amount of jobs that we are losing. That means we are maintaining roughly the same percent unemployment (about 9.6%). It doesn't mean that the economy is "great" it just means that unemployment has stabilized (or is very slightly improving). If our starting point was 5% unemployment we would be satisfied, but our starting point is 9.6% so we need robust job creation to more than offset new unemployment claims and lower the unemployment level.

You may be able to point to other statistics to claim that the economy is getting worse but all you can say about the employment picture is that it has sabalized with very slow private secotor job growth.

Obviously that's not good enough, but the jobs picture is not getting worse.

Opps. I replied to the wrong comment. I definitely do NOT want to get involved in this conversation again.

Opps.......really? Nice to see you Charles.

Paul, if nothing else...you are consistent.

I am thinking more like

Congress 62 Repub

Senate 9 Repub....

Larry J. Sabato, Director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics is up with his final prediction:

House: Republicans +55 Seats

Senate: Republicans +8 Seats

Governors: Republicans +8-9

Larry Sabato, isn't he Philip Zelikow's boyfriend?

I'll make a copy of all you republicans prediction so I can repost them Nov. 3 to show how silly you look with your predictions.

Steve has just demonstrated his understanding of the issues by predicting that Republicans will defeat more Democrats this year than are running for reelection to the Senate.

I always enjoy Conservative math. It's so entertaining.

STTS

Nashville_fan

Jobless Claims in U.S. Unexpectedly Drop To Three-Month Low

Claims for jobless benefits unexpectedly dropped last week to a three-month low, a sign the U.S. labor market may be starting to mend.

Initial jobless claims decreased by 21,000 to 434,000 in the week ended Oct. 23, the lowest since early July when fewer auto plants than normal closed for retooling, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. The total number of people receiving unemployment insurance dropped to a two-year low, while those getting extended payments also fell.

Consumer spending, which accounts for about 70 percent of the economy, is beginning to stir and may give employers reason to add workers ahead of the holiday shopping season. Fewer firings are an initial step toward more hiring as companies such as Ford Motor Co. see sales improve.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-28/unemployment-claims-in-u-s-unexpectedly-decline-to-a-three-month-low.html

LOL. John..

there are 12 Democrat Senators running for Re-election.. there are a few Retiring.. I beleive its a total of 18 Seats possible .. your ignorance is showing....

Following standard demarcation, "red" indicates seat held by a Republican and "blue" indicates a seat held by a Democrat.

Contested Senate Seats In 2010 Election

StatePartySenatorStatus

AL
R
Shelby

AK
R
Murkowski

AR
D
Lincoln

AZ
R
McCain

CA
D
Boxer

CO
D
Bennet
First Term

CT
D
Dodd

DE
D
Kauffman
Retiring

DE
D
Carper

FL
R
Martinez
First Term - Not running for re-election

GA
R
Isakson
First Term

HI
D
Inouye

IA
R
Grassley

ID
R
Crappo

Il
D
Burris
Filling Obama term

IN
D
Bayh

KS
R
Brownback
Retiring

KY
R
Bunning

LA
R
Vitter
First Term

MN
D
Mikulski

ND
D
Dorgan

MO
R
Bond
Retiring

NH
R
Gregg

NV
D
Reid

NY
D
Schumer

NY
D
Gillibrand

OH
R
Voinovich
Retiring

OK
R
Coburn
First Term

OR
D
Wyden

PA
D
Specter

SC
R
DeMint
First Term

SD
R
Thune

UT
R
Bennett

VT
D
Leahy

WA
D
Murray

WI
D
Feingold

Come on John. I am waiting for your Reply....

or did you run off to another site..

John, there are actually 19 democratic senate seats and 18 republican seats up for election this cycle, far more than the 9 gain that Steve predicts.

"Of the remaining seats up for election in 2010, 19 are held by Democrats (seven of whom are retiring or were defeated in the primary) and 18 are held by Republicans (eight of whom are retiring or were defeated in the primary)."

Steve: Come on John. I am waiting for your Reply....

Steve, what is wrong with you? Didn't you see Johnny B's super-secret-code-word at the end of his last post? He said "STTS" Steve. You're not going to hear from him again because that's the little saying the Special Ed Libbie Club uses when they have lost the argument and are just so frustrated, angry and confused they have to leave the area.

And to get to 62 the Republicans would need to gain 22 seats. That would mean taking all 19 seats currently held by Democrats and 3 more.

I take back what I said earlier. You really are that dense.

JoannaSmith1

STTS .. dont you know that stands for.. Steve Tells Truth Strongly..........

John.. ..

OK.. let me explain this Slowly..

There are 19 Democrat Senate Seats up for Relection..

there are over 100 Democrat House Seats up for Re Election.

Now.. Go back. And Read Slowy.....

No nevermind i will repost it... because you dont have the brains to go back and reread.....

I am thinking more like

Congress 62 Repub

Senate 9 Repub....

CONGRATULATIONS JOHN ! You just won the "Libtard" award of the day !

Steve's prediction at #8.1 was clearly for 62 Republican gains in the House (a.k.a. Congress, John) and 9 Senate seats gained by the Republicans. This prediction is pretty close to an average of many different political projections !

But hey, John.......COME ON DOWN !!!!! .......and collect your booby prize !!

OK, I'll cop to a momentary lapse in reading comprehension. I believed you were predictiong 62 Republicans in the Senate.

Honestly, I normally only skim what you say Steve, because there's never anything of substance anyway. You don't make a case of your own. You don't refute what anyone else says. Your only goal is to change the subject away from things that are an damaging to the Conservative line.

I wasn't wrong about that.

I refer to

JIM041424 comments........

Come on down

That's once you caught me out...which gives me a positive score even just today.

Steve,

I predict that John will, in fact, "Come on down" on November, 2010 when reality slaps liberals in the face ! Reality can be a real Bitch !!

No.. John.. 3 times just within this post.. you were proven wrong..

so we can keep on working on Correcting your incorrect line of thinking..

I am willing to keep educating you..

Oh, I'll be here. I'll be here asking;

When will Republicans balance the budget?

How will Republicans offset tax cuts for the rich?

Why are their tax cuts heavily biased toward the wealthy?

Why aren't Republicans stopping the export of jobs?

Why is the economy still sluggish when the only thing holding it back is 'uncertainty'?

How will the latest Republican legislative proposal help the middle class?

Why haven't Republicans managed to overcome gridlock in Congress?

Why are Republicans embarking on all these witch hunts when there is business of the people to be done?

Why is it a good idea to return to this or that bad Republican policy that's already failed?

When will Republicans return transparency to the campaign funding process?

How does tending the corporate and wealthy interests that bought Republicans their seats help the American people?

Why aren't Republicans fulfilling their "Pledge to America"?

And so on, and so on.

I know it excites you to anticipate the misery of Liberals, but I'll be sitting, popcorn at hand, enjoying every minute of the next 2 years.

Pietro-

I think you missed something...:)

Pietro:

Your post is the kind of documentation you don't see from Tea Party members. I don't think too many will engage you in debate. You win hands down.

Why are some people now concerned about the Tea Party? Was it not long

ago that these very same people were labeled mad, insane, astrofurters,

racists, Un-Americans and a host of appellatives that demeaned them? They

were considered as traitors and disloyalists. Now people like Pietro and his

Dems are now concerned about these Americana. These are moms and

pops and children and grandchildren and the Demoncrats and their ilk have

tried to paint them as evil in order to gain their political objectives. Well , it

didn't work. The American people don't want communism, socialism,

progressivism, marxism , and all the evils that progressives have tried to

impose upon the world.

astrofurters?.......really?

Great post, really puts the whole thing into perspective. Very nice indeed. May I make a copy so I can read it in more detail, this site is way too slow to try and grasped the whole document?

Hey, Pat, remember you said you thought that guy responded to me on another site because of the length of his response?

He never met Pietro.

And Pietro has never heard of editing.

No Joe, I wanted to be SURE that I left the essence of my research in so that everyone can see what is going on. The fact of the matter is that the 'Tea Party' is not what it appears to be. It is kinda like you in a wierd sort of way.

If it means I use more column space to ferret that out, so be it.

Unlike you, I do not want to 'filter' what I have found through my own prism or through some sort of 'edit' that will change the context. I am just laying out what I see and letting everyone reach their own conclusions.

Really.

Pietro, no joe all blow isn't used to reading the whole story to get the truth. Just the parts that fit her lies and talking points. She calls that editing.

Pietor

Well done.

Juven

I am not one of those people who believe all tea partiers are bad people. I believe they have some very bad people associated with them. It would go a long way for me and others if tea party supporters would distance themselves from the negative element. I agree on a few of the economic principals of the tea party but as soon as you get into social issues, only minorities get welfare, it's ok to abuse women and "Obama is the worst President ever" you lose me instantly. The movement had and has great promise but when they let dishonorable and dishonest people ride their coat tails it destroys the message and removes all credibility. If this is all about the economy the tea party needs to have like minded economist right up a mock budget. If it makes sense to the "American people" (all the political parties claim to speak for) they would have the support to elect anyone they want in 2012. Ok tea party you have the stage you have the attention of the electorate. Show us substance.

Nice work Pietro, and interesting reading. People are being told the Tea Party is a "populus movement", but it's the first populist movement ever arranged, triggered, funded, and organized by the wealthy elites and the corporations they control.

Pietro:

Thanks for sharing your findings with us . . . citizen journalism at it's finest!

I don't care WHAT California legalizes- I want some of what JUVEN's on.

MSNBC is going to have to start charging Pietro for server space.....

YYYAAAAWWWWWNNNNNN !!!!!!!!!!

More cut and paste by the PAID trolls...........this time cutting a super-lengthy opinion form a liberal news source and trying to present it as fact.

Geez, I guess if you can't think on your own.....you have to try someway to belittle the opposition. Let's see the results on Nov 3rd !!!!

OK, Jim, refute what was posted, if you can.

I DARE ya.

No problem Pietro. I won't refute it, whatever it was. The Tea Party isn't even a party. It's an attitude, maybe a movement, but mostly a phenomenon.

I'm not a Tea Partier. What I've noticed is that Lib/Dems make a bigger deal of them than most Republicans.

And you just wasted a whole bunch of space supporting that theory.

You're all hilarious, as a matter of fact, and you just don't get it, to use a very worn out cliche`.

Richard, that was the point of this whole exercise. I could have just taken what was said and dismissed it, but I really wanted to know what made this 'movement' tick. I did some research to find out - good or bad - for myself.

By the way, when you say that no Republicans really care about the Tea Party, the headline on MSN's home page seems to contradict your thinking.

But, while these potential new members of the Senate defeated establishment-favored GOP contenders in their states’ primaries by promising to upset the status quo in Washington, former and current Republican aides aren’t expecting a political earthquake. They say they’re confident that McConnell will deftly handle the new conservative arrivals by incorporating them — and their ideas — into the larger caucus.

“Senator McConnell will move quickly to include them,” said a GOP strategist who is close to the Republican leader. “The worst thing you can do to somebody who's got a lot of energy and a lot of ideas is to wall them off and not let them be expressed.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39875721/ns/politics-decision_2010?GT1=43001

Sorry Pietro, I don't have TIME to play silly games with you.......it's this damn thing called a job that keeps getting in the way ! Seriously, month-end is approaching and accounting work must be done.

Anyway, I am sure you would just CUT and PASTE more lengthy B.S. from liberal sources such as Huffington Post and Washington Post to attempt to support your view.

See 'ya on November 3rd.....the day Obama will realize he has been politically NEUTERED !!!!!!!!!

That's OK, Jim. I knew you couldn't refute what I was posting. I have a job too, and messing about with you is a waste of time.

All you have is nonsenical blathering.

See ya November 3rd.

Yes, Pietro......we all know you have a job as a paid troll. Also, genius.....there is a distinct difference between "can't" (way too much time to refute your 14 page cut and paste job) and won't (I don't work for you).

Besides, I don't think you have the guts to show up on Nov 3rd !

You're busy, Jim, refuting even ONE of Pietro's points would be a change of pace. It wouldn't take that much time, either, if you could do it.

John B, you are wasting your time with Jim.

Seriously.

Jim cannot refute ANYTHING that I posted because he has NOTHING other than partisan bluster and schoolyard taunts. I made it easy for him, too, by giving him all the citations he would need!! He is just too lazy or cannot manage using a mouse to click on a link. Refuting my points would actually require some thinking - which I see Jim does not do. At all.

Oh well.

And Jim, I will be here November 3rd.

Count on it.

YAWN

Repubs do not care about free enterprise, it is capitalism, and yes there is a difference if you take the time to read.

Free Enterprise is a liberal stance;Capitalism Republican

Yes he could. He could start saying things like "republicans have to sit in the back", which would end the career of any white politician.

LOL. CU.. We know Obama would never Utter a Racist comment like that.. but maybe he was only talking about the Black Republicans...

Any day now, I expect to see he and the wife on Dancing With The Stars. He would never appear on American Idol, because he already believes that he has that sewn up for life.

Seriously, though- what show has he missed? Sesame Street? He could promote the letter F- for fail. Epic, historic, unprecedented fail.

For the last time.... was not a bus reference.... NEVER said bus... GOD you people beta all.... It was a "driving car off cliff reference" Please do not comment on things you obviously did not see. It only proves the point others make about "low info voters"

Gpotts..

Please by all means.... show us in any of our post where anyone used the word ... "BUS"

Go back to school and learn to read our posts. before opening mouth and inserting your foot.....

Brilliant as usual Steve, when you and your comrade farley injected race into argument, it is obvious you were referencing rosa parks and Mont. Bus Boycott

OR maybe I am giving you way too much credit

Like i said Gpotts..... We never mentioned anything about a Bus..

Just the Facts of what Obama said..... "republicans have to sit in the back"

As a Non White American. i find his statement to be disgusting...

Obama wants me in the Back Seat.. Fine...............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfEYyNxQc7o

OK come on this will make you laugh.... and its not even friday yet..

"Bus" didn't have to be mentioned. It was inferred that this was a derogatory comment when you said that "no white politician would get away with it..."

Go back and read the Presiden't comment in context. What he was saying is the Democrats will try to get the economy out of the ditch and that Republicans can ride along but they will have to sit in back. Away from the steering wheel.

We all understand you don't like the man. Fine. But stop twisting the words and the intent to suit your own agenda.

Pat:

I watched Keith and it is indeed frightening. Never in our history have we had so many ill-informed, mentally unstable candidates running from the same party. It is beyond reason that Sharron Angle even has a chance to win in Nevada.

Great post, Pat. The Republicans' fast and loose approach to the First Amendment always scares me---it is OK for them to exercise their freedoms but OK to shut them down when it serves their purposes. A very scary slippery slope, as we've seen after living under the Patriot Act.

My only point of possible difference with you is that I think Karl Rove would pass a lie detector test if asked "do you care about your country?" I think is has convinced himself that the power and money he has amassed is not at all related to his doing what he thinks is best for the country. It makes it scarier to me that he believes in all of this.

Ron,

The reason Sharon Angle has a Chance of Winning is because the Democrats do have a bunch of...................

"so many ill-informed, mentally unstable candidates running from the same party"

Deep breaths, Pat. Slow and easy. Think calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean.

Feel better?

A week from now, the elections will be over, and you can go back to being the intelligent, thoughtful poster you were. I promise, I will not hold any of the hyperbole or ad hominem attacks of the last few weeks against you.

It is the stress talking.

Ron, neither the Colts nor the Pats got their perfect season.

Most people thought they would as the season progressed for each team during their runs. Sometimes things just don't work out the way we all think it will.

GOTV.

That is what happens when you allow unlimited money, Foreign and Domestic, into politics with no rules or accountability. It allows those with the big bucks to buy votes (has nothing to do with being qualified) and push their Agenda. They have been bought and paid for and will need to deliver the goods to Wall Street, Big Business and the 2% in the form of legislation that will benefit them at the expense of Middle Class America.

There has been a bevy of information on the web about how over 50% of the attack ads from the US Chamber of Commerce, American Crossroads and other special interest groups are full of outright lies and misinformation. This will continue under the disguise of Free Speech. There is no way to make them tell the truth, hence they will lie to promote their agenda.

They (the republican/tea party) are falling back on the fears and anger of the Ameican people. They know these people will make decisions based on emotion not fact and that is exactly what they are doing and it looks like, in part they will be successful.

The American people are the ones that are going to pay for this big time. Republicans and Democrats both are being sold out to the highest bidders.

It is sad that so many people cannot see this, even when one of their own leaders goes on National TV and says to the world that he is going to do everything he can to put America into bankruptcy.

Handwriting is on the wall people, wake up.

Pat:

We absolutely must get out the vote. As for the Colts, we have some serious injuries: Collie (WR) out with broken wrist Clark (TE) out with broken wrist. Thank goodness we had a bye last week. Colts play Monday Night against Houston. Houston also had a bye to heal. Game is in Indy this time. Outcome may be as close as the Reid v Angle election.

I'm also frightened when watching Keith. It scares me that tv can give such a vicious, hateful dips**t a show. I would only be worried if he had an audience that was made up of more than the socialists, low-info voters and morons that watch him now.

And I don't watch FOX either.

Better yet, just get out and vote the Democrats OUT !!!!!!!!

Bill,

You do have a way with words, and all correct, I might add.

Yes the lefties are frantic, you can see it in their post. There savior has let them down. People are not buying what they are selling and they cannot understand why. Guess all the smart people that voted obama into office all of a sudden have become low information voters.

Heaven help us if we are too stupid to realize how perfect obama is for our country. With an approval rating of 46% I guess that means that 54% of the country are low information, bigoted racist.

And just when I was about to say, "This is the first time in my life that I am proud of this country"

Yeah...they almost seem Repulican...you are right about the nastiness in this cycle....as if rove was running ALL campaigns

gpotts: Yeah...they almost seem Repulican...you are right about the nastiness in this cycle....as if rove was running ALL campaigns

Don't you think it is pathetic though Potsie that the Democrats have been neutered from their lofty goals of 2008 with "Yes We Can" to now begging America to "Please, please, please give us one more chance!"?

I guess I could say about the Democrats and Obama "How the mighty have fallen", but they really didn't fall that far, mostly because they weren't all that mighty.

I think you have it backwards joannie Its the Repubs begging for another chance!!! "we promise to drive better this time"

Pottsie,

The score is 67 to 7.........LATE in the 4th Quarter and you guys still think you are going to win !

That would be like General Custer telling his troops "Okay men, we've got 'em surrounded ". COUNT 'EM UP CUS ! COUNT 'EM UP !!!!!

I'll drink to that, Nash. Here's to real Americans!!

The disconnect between their version of the facts and what has actually been happening would be amusing if so many people didn't fall for it. In 2 short years have we forgotten how bad it was before the election?

Steeler fan:

The truth always wins out . . . sometimes it just has to take the scenic route!

:o)

They are counting on us to get worn out with all their negativity and lies . . . except it ain't gonna happen . . . they know that folks are waking up . . . which is why they are doubling up their efforts . . . President Obama getting elected scared the hell out of the "corporate people" . . . and they have been fighting like hell to destroy him every since . . . too bad a full 50% of the electorate ain't falling for it!

There is gonna be a fight . . . and now that we are clear on who we are fighting . . . it is OFF and POPPING! :o)

Game. On.

You are correct, Nash, that the truth will not go away.

Well, it did, during the 2008 campaign, when Obama campaigned as a pragmatic centrist when he was, and is, a far left ideologue. The media, caught up in it's romantic swoon, did nothing to shine the light of truth on that walking, talking lie, so a lot of voters fell for it.

Boy, are they mad today. They will show it, with votes, next week.

That is the truth.

no joe:

Don't forget to vote! :o)

O-BAH-MAH!

O-BAH-MAH!

Oh wait, I forgot, he ain't on the ballot! lol

Keep up the good work Mr. President! You are doing so good, they are having to work overtime to prop up their "narratives"!

Selling health care and dealing with it on the campaign trail is probably the biggest collective misstep of the entire Democratic Party. The decision to let everyone go their own way because it worked in one special election in Pennsylvania put Democrats on the collective defensive. They aren't running on anything anymore, simply explaining why they did what they did in a VERY defensive crouch.

Well put, FR. I believe this is the biggest mistake that the Democratic Party makes repeatedly. They've been doing it for years. They have policy ideas that are supported by huge majorities, push them. Brag about them. Refuse to discuss them in the twisted, divisive language of Frank Luntz. Grab the issue and make it yours.

OK Nash...I like your post but did you really just quote a Justin Bieber song!! LOL...sorry, somebody's gotta give you a little grief for that one. :-)

Don't knock the Bieb Grimey . . . the song is from the Karate Kid Soundtrack . . . I recommend that movie as well! :o)

Gotta do something to stay upbeat hanging out with such a dour group here day in and day out! lol

OK Nash...I'll let it slide this time. I suppose it's better than quoting the lyrics to a power ballad from an 80's hair band! :-)

Nashville_fan

I voted yesterday . . . and there was a line to wait in, so isn't that great!

The only way the "corporate people" win is if we stop fighting, and that ain't gonna happen.

Good for you Nash, I'm on my way to a phone bank in a few hours. I voted early after I left the rally with President Clinton, Alexi Ginnonilous(sp), and Gov.. Pat Quinn.

So true, a winner never quits and a quitter never wins. Sarah Palin will soon find that out.

Have a good time at the phone banks. The calls really give you a idea of how wrong the media is about the Dems. Those ARE landlines; cell phones are rarely available for a snap shot.

With that comment, Grimey, I've been:

"...Shot through the heart, and you're to blame!...you give (sic) politics A BAD NAME!"

Jody:

How did you get on Christie's list? Wrong state wrong party. In southern Indiana the local TV stations are running only political ads. Ratio of 5 republican ads to 1 democratic ad. Looks like the media is getting rich over Chamber of Commerce laundered money from China and India.

It is just as crazy in the media as it is on FR when they open the flood-gates at MSN.

I know what you mean about campaign fatigue, Jody---it will be refreshing to see ads on TV for the "Sham Wow" and hits of the 70s!

Whenever I get robo calls from the other party---I just put the phone down & let them play out. Let them waste the money and time before moving on to the next target. If I should get a real person on the other end (rare these days), I let them give their talk.

Jody, that's pretty funny you got a robo call in Iowa from the NJ governor asking you to support the Republicans!

I think most citizens feel like hiding under the bed from the politicians and operatives out trick or treating this season. It's nasty/crazy out there, and none of it is educational about the issues. I watched a debate a month ago that convinced me to vote for Libby Mitchell, the Democrat, because she was obviously the most even keeled, knowledgeable, smart and experienced candidate in the bunch. But, my God, since then, the ads! the polls! the pundits! In the weeks that followed I started to become convinced I needed to support Cutler, the Independent, because "everybody says" its the only way to block Tea Partier LePage. Even my Democratic friends asked me, "do you think we should vote for Cutler?" Finally, I decided, I'm going to stick with my original, personal assessment. I watched the debates, I decided: I'm voting for Libby Mitchell because she's the best candidate. I'm not going to be frightened into voting for someone I don't think is the best. Now, I just have to remember to vote!

One of the few things I could never figure out while living in Iowa, was why we elected Iowa Supreme Court Judges. It always seemed to be a proforma rubber stamp of the incumbent or the review board nominee. Now I see that it was to give outside groups the chance to rabble-rouse under the flags of "christianity" and homophobia. I say this as a Christian who is secure in my own faith, one that can include ALL people of faith, not just those I like.

I hope Iowans are not so deceived that Christie, Barbour or Jindal are really pursuing anything but the Presidency. Frankly, it would scare me, if I still lived there, that an Iowa candidate would have such strong personal connections with three powerful people from completely different backgrounds and geographic areas. In what circles do these people travel? At what levels do their, and Iowa's, interests intertwine.

Obviously, Obama must have completely cleaned up the Gulf of Mexico since but Barbour and Jindal promised us that Gulf clean-up was their Number 1 priority. I guess the pictures from CNN of oil still washing up and of beaches still contanimated with just a few inches of clean sand covering them were a lie. When all the cameras were on the beach, Barbour and Jindal were on the beach. When the cameras are in Iowa, Barbour and Jindal were in Iowa. But don't worry, they'll be back in January 2012.

My first day here, I said that if unemployment was below 8.5% on election day, the democrats would retain both houses, if it was above 8.5% they would lose one or both..It isn't a mystery a conspiracy or even that hard to figure out...

Come on everyone... let's give little dangerfield the BIG pat of the back that he's begging for! lol

Feisty you are right . . .

dangerfield NAILED IT!

Or am I in denial . . .

lol

Feisty-

That's about all you're good for anymore, the idiot schoolyard taunt...like you said about someone else...

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

DBO - Ever wonder what a day without JS1's school yard taunts would be like around here?

Pretty pathetic... that all she's got! lmao

I am LMAO at YOU Feisty! lol...

Now go away, you are so over...:) lol

And Nash,

You are obviously still in anger...lol

Nice change for you dangerfield...

You actually responded like a man for a change rather than running to another page to take your best shot! lol

Oh and... bonus points for keeping week old posts of mine so readily available! ;0)

Even if it's a little creepy!

dangerfield:

You know what I like about you?

How you think everything is about you!

What do I have to be angry about?

The truth has set me free! :o)

Angry exchanges, meaningless snark and pissing contests aren't my thing, they are yours. You contribute less and less to this forum the closer we get to election day.

Both of your posts here are what they call TROLLS, remember...that's all you are now...a meaningless angry troll lol

Now, let the decent people go about their business...

Summary of dangerfield's daily posts:

Variation between:

"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

and

"I see a wolf! I see a wolf!"

followed by

"Did you hear me, I said the sky is falling and the wolves are coming! Run!"

;o)

and Nash I love how you think you know it all...

What's your over/under for Tuesday?

Just read your latest troll...

You have officially gone off the deep end...

I have struck a freaking symphony of nerves today! lolol

We all know that knocking someones teeth out is MORE dangerfields cup of tea! lmao

That has to be the most hilarious & hypocritical post I've ever read of yours little guy! ;0)

Nash is right- you really DO believe everything is about YOU!

dangerfield:

The Dems are going to keep the House and the Senate, just like I already told ya!

You should be happy about that, right, you Democrat you! :o)

I am a democrat and a realist...you are one of those too...

There's always a lot of finger-pointing after an election where the party in power loses a lot of seats. Assessing who's to the blame and punishing the guilty is, unfortunately, an important part of that process.

With the election only five days away, it would appear that some First Readers are ahead of the curve and have already found the main culprit:

Sorry dangerfield, but it looks like you're going to be the official First Read scapegoat. No homecoming king or horned rat for you.

Apparently, this whole mess is your fault.

Mixed Bag:

Please don't encourage dangerfield's "victim complex".

Thanks.

Wait, Mixed Bag, this could leave an opening for you!

So, THEN do I get to be homecoming queen?

We've already been Plaguebearers, at least for the democrats.

MB-

That counter-culture seems to be budding...:)

Homecoming King, Horned Rat, Scapegoat...whatever, same diff here, no?...:)

Well no joe, on this we can agree:

Nobody can out "Plaguebear" you.

Seriously.

And again it is the economy..it has been and it will be in Tuesday's exit polls...

Nojoe, while I don't share your politics, I will be happy to put in the good word for your ambition...:)

Jobless Claims in U.S. Unexpectedly Drop To Three-Month Low

Claims for jobless benefits unexpectedly dropped last week to a three-month low, a sign the U.S. labor market may be starting to mend.

Initial jobless claims decreased by 21,000 to 434,000 in the week ended Oct. 23, the lowest since early July when fewer auto plants than normal closed for retooling, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. The total number of people receiving unemployment insurance dropped to a two-year low, while those getting extended payments also fell.

Consumer spending, which accounts for about 70 percent of the economy, is beginning to stir and may give employers reason to add workers ahead of the holiday shopping season. Fewer firings are an initial step toward more hiring as companies such as Ford Motor Co. see sales improve.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-28/unemployment-claims-in-u-s-unexpectedly-decline-to-a-three-month-low.html

A gift for our plaguebearers - good news!

In case anyone is truly keeping score,...Ron has our predictions made last December. I am certain he knows I am okay with him sharing them. Given the climate I would argue that BOTH sides are guilty of 'over playing' their hands. But we won't know who's 'bluffing' until Wednesday, now, will we?

CU,

You will be happy to know that us black folk don't spend as much time thinking about you as you do thinking about us.

lol

The low info voters turned out in droves in 2008

CU Farley obviously doesn't have a clue aboutwhat socialism is. That would make him one of those low info voters he disdains.