There you have it folks… We’ve finally been made aware a week out from the election as to what the Republican plan is to move this nation forward!

Forget the economy – forget jobs – forget education – forget immigration reform… NOPE the Republicans plan for the next to years is to see this President fail and along with it the Country!

And they have the nerve to refer to themselves as leaders!!!

From the moment Obama entered office, right-wing conservatives embraced the posture of hell-bent opposition. Recall, in Jan. 2009, hate radio host Rush Limbaugh expressed his hope that Obama fails. One month later, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell proudly embraced Limbaugh at a conservative conference. The fringe rhetoric of far right activists had quickly become the de facto governing strategy of the Republican leadership, as they adopted a posture of obstructionism.

Believing that the Republican strategy of opposition has played to his political benefit, McConnell is pledging to do more of the same if Republicans win back the Senate. In an interview with the National Journal’s Major Garrett, McConnell candidly acknowledged that he feels his “single most important” job is to defeat President Obama in 2012:

MCCONNELL: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, “Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job.”

NATIONAL JOURNAL: What’s the job?

MCCONNELL: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/25/mcconnell-obama-one-term/

Very telling… NO?

There is nothing dishonest or despicable about a senator of one party expressing his hope to render the president of the other party a one term president.

Face it, folks. Obama is just not that special, so he does not get special treatment.

As to the democrats backing, advertising for, and doing all they can to get votes for third party candidates in hopes of bolstering their election chances, I would point to my own state. Chris Daggett was pulling double digit numbers in the polls right up to the election- enough that it looked like it would help Corzine win. Just a few days before the election, word came out that the robocalls being made for Daggett had been paid for by the Corzine campaign. He pulled less than five per cent of the vote.

People don't like being played for fools. Democrats believe that the electorate is made up of fools, morons, and people too frozen by fear to understand that high unemployment and sluggish growth are signs of a GOOD economy.

Then they wonder why they are losing.

USND-ret.

Every word of you post is accurate and true. Unfortunately, as we are about to see, money will be able to trump all of this. Folks like to holler about us going down the road to socialism (which is total BS), but the threat of just a few holding all the wealth and decision-making power does not seem to bother them in the least.

It must be my advanced age, but I simply cannot make any sense out of it whatsoever.

Still talking about year old elections I see NJNB!

Yeah that's exactly what's on the minds of voters a week out from the election... something that happened over a year ago in one state... uh huh! lol

By the way... I thought you were supposed to be out knocking on door this week?

You sure spent a lot of time here yesterday.......

Terrific post, US Navy. Hard to imagine that voters, except for the republican base, would even consider voting republican this year. The republican party embraced the Tea Party, which has now been abducted by the GOP, because their own brand name was so badly damaged. Hard to believe that voters cannot see the truth--the GOPTP is no different today than it was in 2001. Me first, power and nothing about the American people. John Dean was correct when he asserted that Government was broken and had been broken by republican ideology. It will remain broken until We the People demand accountability from legislators, especially from republicans.

I remember a time in politics when Mitch McConnell would have been condemned by his own party for making such an outrageous statement--he would have been ridiculed and probably would be removed as their Senate leader. Today, the GOP has turned government and politics into all out war and it is a war against the American people.

Fesity:

Appears we are both on the same page this Tuesday morning.

Fellow Travelers:

No matter the story, the underlying theme in this election is corruption. If we define the United States by its borders, we are a relatively young country. If we define ourselves by our government, we are ignorant, amoral, and for sale to the highest bidder. Our government is one of the oldest in the world, more than two-and-a-quarter centuries old. It is now old enough, that the fabric of this nation is woven with distrust, suspicion, ignorance, selfishness, and greed.

We are no longer a vibrant youngster. We do not see a future with no horizons or limits to our ingenuity. Once we believed any and all problems could be solved. No challenge was too big. We truly had a "Yes, we can" attitude.

In one week, we face the prospect of a House of Representatives, led by a man - John Boehner - who screams at his charges, "Hell no, we can't!" His is the party that apologizes to Big Oil. His is the party that promises to gut even the weakest legislation to check Wall Street abuses. His is the party that promises a massive redistribution of wealth - upward - and with money borrowed from foreign nations. Even as his party sheds crocodile tears about red ink spending and huge deficits, they promise and guarantee more of both.

In one week, we face the prospect of a Senate, led by a man who says his number one priority is to guarantee that President Obama is a one-term President. His number one priority! Not the health of America. Not checking the abuse of Big Money! No, he promises to bring an end to President Obama's administration, because he knows that government is not the solution, it's the problem. Yet, this corporate shill - Mitch McConnell - is a lifetime government employee. He offers NO solution. Only a fool can avoid the conclusion that he IS the problem.

Democrats are little better. Their campaign coffers brim with corporate bribes. They too sell access to Big Money. The results speak for themselves. Both parties decry earmarks. They decry profligate spending. They decry budget deficits. Yet, earmarks, profligate spending, and budget deficits have been the order of the day for a half-century. Are we really so stupid we can't see what is happening?

Our government is for sale. We are told campaign spending will be on the order of three-billion-dollars ($3,000,000,000). Stop for a moment. Think about how much money that is. Now, look at it like this. That amounts to spending approximately $60 PER VOTER, assuming a turnout of 50,000,000. What's truly ironic is that the one Senator who has clearly addressed this abuse of the American electoral process - Russ Feingold - is in danger of losing his Senate seat.

We have thrown around so many terms and labels that they no longer have any meaning. What is a liberal? What is a conservative? What is a Democrat? What is a Republican? What is a socialist, a Marxist, a capitalist? The terms are elusive, nebulous, and change by the moment. However, in the very near future it appears we are truly going to understand the definition of a fascist.

No Joe's usual anti-Obama words; after 21 months, they sound as shallow and empty as they did in 2009; in fact, they were and are sour grapes.

History reveals that neither party has ever made such comments about a president as McConnell did. Have they discussed it behind the scenes when planning their next presidential campaign, probably but NONE were stupid enough to go public with it.

Drive By:

I hear you. As being a Sr. Citizens I do not remember politics being so screwed up as they are today. It sures does appear we are going down hill.

Unfortunately I am afraid this will continue until something really big breaks the momentum, and if that is true, I suspect that cannot be a good thing.

Your post below is right on target, as usual.

no joe, no bo, nj

There is nothing dishonest or despicable about a senator of one party expressing his hope to render the president of the other party a one term president.

No Jo I'm very disapointed in you for saying this, first of all i never heard george mitchell or tip o'neil say this about reagan, dispite the fact they disagree even more than the republican leaders and the president now. they wanted to compromise and reagan was not having that.

Give me a freaken break, how can a law maker collect his pay and at the same time he is saying that he want the president who was elected by the american people to fail, and this person is in a postion to make sure he fails, No Jo Bohner is not some junior senator. but with you, this is just fine!!!!!!

i though you were educated and better than this.

Excellent posts Navy and Feisty.

NoJo just said:

Democrats believe that the electorate is made up of fools, morons, and people too frozen by fear to understand that high unemployment and sluggish growth are signs of a GOOD economy.

I have never, never heard such nonsense in my entire life. High unemployment and sluggish growth are not signs of a Good economy. Those conditions are signs of being a Third World Country.

No Jo; You are not an economists, never were. No economist in their right mind would say such a thing. NJ, you are a fraud. STTS

Feisty;

I comes back to what many of us have been saying. Somewhere in time the Republican Party has lost its moral and ethical compass (check Karl Rove's pockets before he leaves the building).

They have become a party of NO SHAME saying just about anything and everything with no regard to the truth. They, as others, only care about getting re-elected at all costs and they do not care how they do it. Then to make it worst, they will deny every pledge they made to America.

We have seen this over and over again. The republican campaign message is tp create jobs, then oppose every bill, Tax Cuts to Small Businesses, then oppose the bill, Disclosure then oppose the bill, and the list just goes on and on.

Somebody from the right tell me how is President Obama supposed to help America when we now know for certain, that you guys are not going to lend a helping hand, in fact you, the republican/tea party are going to go out of your way to stop him??? Please, America wants to know.

Obama has been such a failure, now even the Democrats are telling him to "Shove it". America - Democratic RI Governor candidate Frank Caprio told Obama to do just that after Obama refused to endorse him. McConnell is correct, until Obama goes, the country cannot make progress.

McConnell tells the truth today, and the country tells Obama to 'Shove it' in one week.

It's easy to give only one side of a story US Navy. There were clearly cited reasons behind the lack of support for a lot of those bills. These reasons ranged from being unable to afford, to concerns of government overreach, to (in a lot of cases) unrelated spending being added to what was otherwise a bill they would have supported as a stand alone.

This is the political game played in Washington, and it is not party exclusive. Let's draft a bill... that most everyone agrees with, and lets label it as essential - like "war funding for supplies for our troops" - and then lets start tacking on needless unrelated pork because we should "never let a crisis go to waste". If you dare vote against the bill because of the pork then I as your political opponent shall say "you don't support the troops". And in this scenario... that is a terrible game to play for the sake of politics - but it has been the game that has been played a lot these past two years.

There are two sides to every story, and you've provided only half of it... if you want to make a more potent and hard hitting point, then you would give the full story and strike at the core problems surrounding what the GOP did or didn't do.

Hey Violent, Racist, Bigoted Republican TEA Baggers... The Rent Is Too Damned High.

Get it? Good.

you would give the full story and strike at the core problems surrounding what the GOP did or didn't do.

Any reason why you're not capable of doing so?

Or just more laziness on your part?

I am planning on voting democrat next Tuesday, but I have to say, I am really tired of the all of the good vs. evil posts on here. Republicans painting democrats as evil and corrupt. Republicans painting democrats as evil socialists... It simply isn't true. No one party is pefect or has all the answers. Republicans are loathe to the idea of regulation because they want to see the Economy grow, and they see regulation as a roadblock to that. Democrats want regulation because they fear that businesses will exploit their resources and power to the detriment of the American people. Both sides have a point. Republicans don't want Healthcare reform as it currently stands because it represents Government intervention in the private sector. Democrats want reform because there are too mant people being left without it. Both have a point. There CAN be a middle ground to all of these issues. I for one am voting democrat in this election because I don't feel Republicans have made a good faith effort to work with their colleagues across the isle, and I feel democrats, while certainly not being perfect, have made progress in getting some of the reforms this country needs to keep moving forward. Are the reforms they have passed perfect? Not by a long shot. But they were needed, and could have been better had both parties in Congress worked together. As US Navy pointed out, I feel like Republicans were more interested in defeating and humiliating Obama than they were at actually working toward solutions. Could democrats done more to reach across the isle? Probably. Would it have mattered? Probably not.

JoAnnaSmith1

Obama has been such a failure, now even the Democrats are telling him to "Shove it". America - Democratic RI Governor candidate Frank Caprio told Obama to do just that after Obama refused to endorse him. McConnell is correct, until Obama goes, the country cannot make progress.

No Joanna, what McConnell said is that while Obama is president the country will not move foward. Will Not instead of Can Not.

the goof in RI i think is running against a independent who was one of the first to endorsee Obama in 08 for president Joanna. the president does not have selective memory. if he did endorse this goof then everybody would be saying that Obama only supports dems.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

e are a couple of issues in your request Feisty. Yes... I am lazy, second it would take more than a moment to go through all the stories of each of those bills and list out the GOP's statements regarding their "no" votes. Third, regardless of whatever my effort has been in the past, you personally are very resistant to admitting faults with the Democrats.. I would dare say that you tone out anybody with an opposing opinion. And last and probably the most important... even from MSNBC - they have posted news stories that have provided at least glimpses of the GOP's reasons over the past two years.

If you all are trying to pass yourselves off as informed voters with a clear perspective on the world then I would not say it would be unreasonable for me to assume that you have made an effort to read news stories from multiple sources or authors... and not just simply read MSNBC's blog which is more or less composed of editorial and by definition - bias.

If you would like to discuss a particular topic specificly Fiesty... I would welcome the conversation. I enjoy gaining insights behind another's person's perspective and the logic that got them there because that is the best way to get to a better situation/society/place.

I would believe that it is the goal of every opposition party to limit the President to 1 term. Of course not everyone comes out and speaks their mind like that.

DNV,

I believe opposition is good to any and all bills that come across the congressional floor. But the Democrats knew they didn't need Republican help, so they did what they wanted.

Health care--2500 pages of things we still don't know about, I am sure you have read the entire thing. I have also:) But mandates, fines, gold purchases being monitored, viagra for inmates in prison, & what else is in there. Why should any prisoner, someone who has committed a crime against others have luxuries, any luxuries? Don't get that one. I thought felons weren't allowed to vote.

Financial Reform--some regulations do need to be placed on them, I can actually agree with that. But we still need a system that is not controlled by the government in every aspect. I want to be able to buy stocks, bonds, or gold for my investments as an individual.

Unemployment benefits--when do we quit paying for people to sit at home. MSN just had an article about people staying on unemployment because they could make more than actually working. 99 weeks of unemployment is a waste of tax payer money. And to allow them to stay on unemployment and go to college through federal dollars is even more wasteful. Should not be allowed to be on unemployment and go to school at the same time, on federal dollars. Choose 1 or the other.

Disclosure--Well as stated yesterday, the Dems brought it up for vote, knowing they couldn't get it passed. Until the American people force congress to amend the constitution, this corruption is going to be used by both parties, It is time for the states to come together and force a few amendments to control the national government.

I am totally against the Dream Act, anything that allows illegal immigrants to become citizens without going through the proper system is wrong, especially when federal, taxpayer dollars are involved. Make the system to become legal easier, but don't give anyone a free pass. NO FEDERAL dollars should be used for illegal immigrants to go to school.

I really don't think that we are laxing on National defense, unless you mean that our president won't enforce the laws on the books about illegal immigration. But any cuts or holdups to providing our military with the best possible weapons & protection is WRONG. Those people provide the security that gives us the right to be on here.

As for other bills in the House & Senate. Well, the Democrats have the majority they could pass through any bills that they wanted. Because really they don't need the approval of the Republicans, I think they are seeing a backlash of some of the stuff they have pushed through.

Wow navy,

I expressed an honest opinion on president obama and you immediatly attack me as a racist bigot.

All I did was repeat what obama said yesterday.....man you guys are not going to take your thumping very well Nov.2 are you?

Oh, Ron? I'm so glad that YOU recognize that high unemployment and sluggish growth are signs of a struggling economy.

Could you pass the word on to Nash, et als? Not to mention the rest of your party? Cause, they seem confused on the point.

Of course, you knew EXACTLY what I meant- just thought you could confuse others on the board.

Not surprising, considering that democrats are confused by facts every time they face them.

Jeff T. - I whole heartedly agree. Already early voted Democrat. I doubt you will get much of a positive response to your reasoned truthful post from this crowd.

The democrats who I believe will hold both House and Senate, albeit narrowly, must be the adults and work with the Republicans next session.

Funnny thing is that when the Democrats had overwhelming majorities they chose to acquiese their principles and democratic core ideals to try to woo GOP members. That backfired as no compromise came from the GOP during the ardously long HCR battle. Now they will be forced to hold their noses and work with the dwindling moderate GOP to get things done.

Let's face it the country has problems and demonizing the other side is not going to fix them. The country, unemployment etc. can't be left unchecked for two more years just so both sides can keep throwing zingers at each other and scoring political points. I just hope that enough GOP will be willing partners this go around. Boehner McConnell and the rest of them must be willing to put the good of the country first.

Some good points made this morning on First Read by the gang. David, I hope people reflect on what you have said. The question is, do we want to put the thieves back in charge of the the government? It is clear that the only agenda of the Republican leadership is to get their pound of flesh for having the White House taken from them by voters. They want to punish, not govern and we will all be the worse for it. This is all about revenge folks, just like it was when Clinton was President. What did the Republicans do? Started impeachment hearings over alleged lying, not about the state of the government, but sex. I wonder if the Republicans will start similar hearing for Clarence Thomas, since it is becoming increasingly clear that he lied to Congressional hearings about the same thing? Somehow, I think different standards will be applied, since the Republicans are good about talking "family values" as long as they aren't held to the standard. I am amused by those of you who are so desperate to put the Republicans back in charge of the Congress, simply because you are so angry that a Democratic President is in office. I have been involved in politics long enough to know that you win some and you lose some. There are those of you, No Jo, JS1, who seem to have nothing but this on your minds, and have been unable to reasonably deal with the idea that there are those of us who don't agree with you. No matter. Just remember, if your guys are in office, we will hold them to account. If they are in office simply to vent their spleen at a legally elected President, they will have some difficulty in the next election.

You know, every time I look at first read, I see that the dems have a lock on the conversation here and they spend so much time blasting the republicans. There are a few conservatives here that try to defend thier beliefs, but the libs slap them down. And I realized, this is the same thing that is going on in congress. the libs have been slapping down anyone that doesnt agree with them and because there are so many of them, no one else can get a word in edgewise. How can any of you have a decent debate when one side just slaps the other one down? none of you are bothering to listen to what anyone else says, you just sit there and pontificate.

Over the past couple of years, Obama reached across the aisle many times....to slap the republicans and tell them to shut up. Now he is reaching across the aisle, becasue he can see that there is a better than even chance that he will be looking at a republican majority in the house and if he doesn't learn how to work with them there will be gridlock. Maybe, with all of of the pork and crap spending that has been accomplished for the past few years, gridlock might not be a bad thing.

honestly, when one party has contol of 2/3rds of the govt, things get bad for us. I would rather see many different parties and beliefs represented in our govt, but since that wont happen any time soon, I'll be happy with a republican house and a democrat senate. Then they have two choices: either work together or gridlock. Working together would be preferable, but gridlock cant be any worse than what they have been doing for the past 2 years.

I've already sent in my absentee ballot. It's split among all the parties and about the only incumbents I voted for were the ones in my state who are unopposed.

I can only imagine the hyperbole that the people using the "conservative" excuse would be throwing around if people were even half as critical of Bush as these hypocrites are of Obama.

The biggest problem with the average person shilling the excuse that they're "conservative" is that they are in no way patriotic. They see politics as a vehicle for self-affirmation, a proverbial pat-on-the-back if you will, rather than electing leaders of a nation of 350 million people. Most "conservatives" are self-loathing, insecure people who lack true faith in what they claim to believe in and lack the personal fortitude to follow their own beliefs without those being impressed on other people through public policy (in spite of their claims to believe in "small government"). Republicans have seen a groundswell by exploiting the absolute most ignorant, self-loathing losers in our society into feeling a part of something, but these same people lack the intelligence or the motivation to see what exactly they're being exploited into voting for.

These people don't want solutions, they want scapegoats.

Proud Republican, you started it with your racist comment:

When exactly was obama reaching out his hand to the republicans, to work with them.

Was that when he said that "Republicans can come along for the ride, but they have to set in the back of the bus"

This president has been the most divisive, arrogant, racist @ss I have ever

witnessed in my entire adult life.

Are you Awake?

I always vote for the person that I agree with most. Party liners just don't get out and look at the candidates. But when there is an incumbent running unopposed that I don't agree with, well I always write in a vote, just to see if it will make the news. I can't tell you how many times, Micky Mouse, Donald Duck, or even Ben Dover has made the local news.

I see none of you Liberals want to touch the Pelosi/Michelle blog. I wondered where all the spewers were. I see I found you all on one blog. My My this is going to be a big headache week for you guys. Repub dont worry its almost over, all the Union stewards here are bracing for a huge defeat. They know Michigan's going republican and its kills them. I have several of them that work for me. They are sitting in the break room right now making post election plans.

No Joe----you are right---there is nothing dishonest or despicable in a politician from one party expressing a hope that a politician from the other party not win re-election. We are expressing that hope for just about all of the Republican party. What is despicable and unfair to the country---all of the country---is when a Senator says that his principal goal in the next 2 years will be to defeat the President. So any legislation that the President proposes, Senator McConnell will oppose because its passage might help President Obama be re-elected. And the Senator has already demonstrated that he will not (or can not) propose any legislation of his own----his party has no ideas other than tax cuts for the wealthy and the outsourcing of jobs. Each time I think the Republican party has hit a new low they prove me wrong.

drive-by-observer Post 1.3 Sir, You post;

"It must be my advanced age, but I simply cannot make any sense out of it whatsoever."

And I thought that I was the oldest man on "The Vine."

With your above statement how are you able to make your initial comment:

" Every word of you post is accurate and true."

RatPoison Post 1.8 Is very wise, wise beyond his years to understand:

" There are two sides to every story....." R.P. There are at a minimum two sides.

I am tired. I am tired of the blatant lies. I am tired of the false promises. It is not just this president but many who preceded him. "You Have My Word of Honor," that old tired saw means nothing today. When I was a much younger man, when a man extended his hand and gave his word of honor, it held meaning. He was telling you that he would give his life to uphold his honor.

I am again in shock over the vast sums of money that are being spent to win an election for a job that pays a mere 200K. Why, please explain to me, would any person spend millions of their personal fortune for a job that gives them pocket change?

Daily, I receive mail from the Dems and the Repubs. Check this box, $500.00 and give us your credit card number so that we can defeat..... Then there are the black-tie dinner invitations. For a mere 20K or 30K I am invited to sit down and eat dried up chicken and listen to some dry piece of beef speak.

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired Sir, why do you define yourself as "Disabled?"There are few of us with age who have not been directly involved with the military. Many of us have reached down for a buddy to have our hand go through his body to the ground.

No sir, I have not given a dime to any person who is running for office.

I have chosen to give, what I can, to Bikefree.org I prefer to help the little American children who have lost their fathers in the wars, or whose daddy returns without arms or legs.

@Mr. Navy: Calling someone an ass doesn't make the insultor a racist.

Watch this:

Ass, ass, ass. Ass-ass-ass-ass-ass! ASS. Assassassassass. Ass-ass-ass.

Strange. I don't feel like much of a racist. I do, however, feel like a bit of a jerk and (this is the kicker; are you paying attention?) an ass.

Obama's comment, on the other hand, smacks of reverse-racism. While some might find it cute, I find it uncalled for coming from the chief executive.

Now Now L , I spent 10 years in the Navy, didnt meet to many liberals. But for the most part I trusted everyone of them. Of course I was part of a weapons team and liberals dont usually like to blow things up.

Navy,

Please explain how MY comment was racist in any way.

Now Now L , I spent 10 years in the Navy, didnt meet to many liberals. But for the most part I trusted everyone of them. Of course I was part of a weapons team and liberals dont usually like to blow things up.

Shows what you know! ;p

Proud republican

I don't agree with DNV often,

but when someone on here calls someone else a racist, it usually promotes them as a racist.

When you call the president an "arrogant racist @ss", who better to recognize racism than a racist. I know, because I am a bigot also.

BB: Here's a hypothetical - would you say a professor of American cultural studies who provides a seminar on racism as it manifests among groups and individuals is him- or herself a racist for knowing and attempting to educate others on such matters?

...not to give a pass to PR or my crude retort, mind. Just curious about your take.

USNVR: excellent and incisive post- and a summary of why only two of the Republicans (judges already serving) on my ballot got my vote.

How can you respect any group who spit into a presidential hand extended in reconciliation? This ongoing, dog-in-the-manger nihilism is nothing less than a disgraceful political suicide at the behest of their real masters on Wall Street.

I begin to wonder if the Tea Party, given time to mature, will become the right's best shot at expressing the conservative agendas that once gave Republicans respectability- because the mainstream Republican Party has degenerated into blatant pimps for the interests of multinationals who are doing their level best to screw us as often as possible- while making us pay dearly for their "services" in the coin of our future economic viability. At least the Tea Party CLAIMS to represent the "little guy"- and some day may actually encompass enough disenfranchised Americans to end up doing so whether it initially wished to or not.

Interesting times- and this election, all propaganda aside, will be closer than either party likes.

One truism seems consistent: follow the money, because those who spend it most freely to win in politics generally serve the interests of money once elected. Or, as my father said: "Look for the candidate with the most campaign signs and the most television adds. Then, vote for their opposition, regardless of party- because the guys with the money don't think they can buy that candidate."

I think Navy vet should change his name to disabled vinyl because he sounds like a broken 45 record. You and the rest of the dozen or so who post in here daily say the same liberal bs over and over again. It is why I now just skip over yours, dittzys, Ronnies, and a few others without reading them. Your liberal BS, other than the heard of sheep in this forum is falling on deaf ears.

One week and counting and there is nothing you can say or do to stop the change that is coming. But on a good note, then you will have two more years to come up with some new material.

Good luck.

fiesty and retired navy - I know that it is a waste of time to redirect your thoughts away from the far no-nut jobs of the radical left who only want to shout down anyone who disagrees with you.

seems to me that obama is only saying things this close to the election trying to convince the moderate dems that regardless of what he did in 2009 & 2010 he is really just the 2005 jr senator from illinois that they voted for in 2008. Just another smooth talker with no leadership skills. Special midnight meetings and no attempt to invite the opposition leaders over for a caht at the white house.

His only agenda is his own, not the general public, not moderate democrats, not the independants and as you both arrogantly proclaim not the republicans.

It is a wonder that you both haven't broken your arms patting yourself on the back. But it is no wonder that your are afraid of posting on other politically oriented blogs.

The thing is repubs wanting Obama to fail for the last two and the next two years all while we are at war is treason. My hats off to the President for having the patience to put up with the repubs BS. What needs to be done is to take FIXED News off the air for being the propaganda behind repubs BS. Look at Nazi Germany in early forties when the Nazis took over the air waves and we saw the destruction that followed. This is Karl Roves playbook and that idiot has destroyed America over the last ten years and is still at it today.

ED,

Good question, I am not the smartest person that ever lived, I have had good experiences and bad experiences in my life. All from which I learned something.

I honestly, IMO, believe that to know bigotry, you would have to be a bigot. We can all look at situations from outside the box, but how do we really know how someone felt, unless you have lived it.

I have in my lifetime seen--crosses burned, people beaten and dragged down streets, & felt hatred because of a person's skin tone.

Have I matured in my life, I hope so. Do I still feel bigotry in myself, sometimes. Do I control my thoughts and reactions, I think so. Am I perfect, no way.

I try and live by the thought--know a person before judging a person. I try and do that daily. Sometimes it is hard, other times it is easy.

But as for a professor teaching a class on racism, what does he know, if he hasn't experienced it. Example: I once had an education professor, who hadn't taught in a public school in 14 years, tell us to give students the "Look" so they would behave. That crap did not work back in the 50's and 60's, what made her think it would work now? Because someone wrote a book saying that was what to do. Please, get out in the real world and try the "look":)

An excellent, honest and forthright reply. Thank you, BB. It's much appreciated.

Thanks, ED,

I try. We all just need to come up with solutions. Because great ideas come from common folk, not the elite:)

So, keeper trout, you think that the EMTs who show up to help the victims of a train wreck wanted the train to run off the rails? How about the newscasters who report on it? The people on the train? Think they wanted it to wreck?

KNOWING something or somebody is doomed to fail is not the same as WANTING failure. I, among ,any others, would have been happy to be proven wrong about Obama. Well, actually, I was, in a way; he is far worse than I could have imagined.

Now, we get spin. "The stimulus worked!" we are told. The unemployment rate and GDP growth rate belie that chant, but, hey, people got tired of "yes we can".

Now, Obama wants us to believe he will be fiscally conservative. Gee, where have we heard that before? Oh, yeah- in 2008, during his campaign as a pragmatic centrist. He really does think the electorate is stupid.

Now, Latinos are told that he will address their issues-kind of like the gay and lesbian voters were told he would repeal DOMA and DADT. Funny thing about that- he never proposed immigration reform legislation; he filed a brief in SUPPORT of DOMA, and is fighting the federal court overturning DADT. In other words, he lied. I actually saw somebody defending him on these issues because he needs these issues for 2012. If that isn't the cynical exploitation of people, I do not know what IS.

Let me clue you in on something you seem to miss- the electorate have awoken from their media fed, Obama induced euphoria, and recognized that the White House is in the hands of someone who knows how to do nothing but blame others for his failures. They begin to redress that issue next week.

It will take more than two years to repair the damage to our economy wrought by this inexperienced, Carteresque ideologue. 2012 cannot come soon enough.

Sounds like Frank Caprio is a disloyal, lowly sort, capable of any outrage to save his hide. I will pray that he loses for insulting the President, making RI the only race in the country where I will be hoping for a GOP victory. Lot's of rich people in Rhode Island - maybe they will vote to keep their tax breaks and tell Caprio to shove it.

@ Everyone on here;

When are we going to wake up?

Abolish Political Parties altogether!! None should be aloud to exist. They are the cause of all the problems. Politicians are just puppets of their parties or the special interest groups. A nation divided cannot stand?!?!?! Guess what we are doing to ourselves!!

You can not tell me that there is not one R that agrees with a D (or vice versa) somewhere...but they can't say it because he/she will be seen as a 'flip flop' in the media. Which is the other half of politics that can't be trusted; the media that is delivering it to us. (Beck, Limbaugh, Fox News, CNN all polarized.)

I am tired too, of all the BS.
I'm not proud of any Political Party. But you have to be registered to one or you can't vote in a closed primary. BS!!!

I've read through the platforms and opinions of my local, state and fed candidates coming in a week and honestly - I don't agree with either side. Not on everything. And all the Rs sound a like and all the Ds sound alike. Unfortunately, I only get those 2 choices, If there are any others running I have yet to find them...

I'm tired of trying to vote in the lesser of 2 evils!!!!

Now, if we stop polarizing ourselves and the rest of America with R's and D's the American people might have to actually listen to a politician and form an opinion on what he says, not what his party says for him. And (better yet) the politician now has to listen to his/her constituents for the direction to vote and not just adopt the party's view.

All Politicians are just puppets of their parties or the special interest groups.

Just read back through your posts and see all the party polarizing there is amongst yourselves! How can we accomplish anything if all we have is party politics? Even among non-politicians!!

I'm sure someone will comeback at me and say 'well so and so is not a party puppet'. And to that I say - Okay, maybe. But 1 is not enough. 10 is not enough.

Abolish Political Parties.

I am Pun_Intended and I approve this message.

Cue the back lash....

Abolishing political parties would be a start, but wouldn't be enough.

The second-best thing for this country is Obama being a one-term President..

The BEST thing would him being a two-YEAR President...

I wish you G-nO-P'ers the best of luck after you regain control. But remember that people will expect something to happen. Reducing taxes for the wealthy will not create the millions of jobs needed to bring our economy into recovery mode. Consumer spending drives our economy and if people don't have jobs, no recovery will occur. So tell all your corporate buddies (who are the ones that really control our country) that if they don't start hiring (and I mean real jobs, not 20 hours per week at $8.00 per hour and no benefits), the people will be just as angry two years from now and your control of the Legislative branch of our government will be short lived. Even more so, your attempt to gain control of the Executive branch will not be succesful. Your ineptitude will cause Obama to be elected to a second term. So I will thank you now for your efforts.

Where do we start?

How do we fix a country divided by politics?

Anyone got a serious problem we can fix.

I hear repeal Obamacare.

It isn't going to happen, but parts could sure need fixing.

We need to repeal the mandated part of insurance along with the fines.

We need to keep children covered & allow people with pre-existing conditions to purchase insurance, at a rate that does not break the bank.

We need to repeal the purchase of gold provision in the Health care law. Everyone has to report their income/investments through tax laws. The government keeping up with gold is an invasion of privacy.

We need to repeal the part of Obamacare that allows prisoners to have access to viagra or any other luxury drug.

Anyone else got solutions?

You know, until you guys have a candidate, you can hope, but that's all it is. So far the only candidates that might be coming all look like Sarah Palin. Is there someone out there that could really pull it off?

To: US Navy Disabled Veteran-Retired

Well written.

Apparently it's important to make a quick distinction here... You're "title" of Disabed Navy Veteran, Retired, etc... is earned, and my be your only identity, but I too am a Vet (Combat) and have a hard time understanding how YOU of all people... actually believe the CRAP you just wrote... Just ONE example... How the hell does the Republican MINORITY hold over 400 bills hostage anyway?

The GOP are the rich mans whore who uses religion as an opiate to turn decent people into drugged out idiots that refuse to think....

The words are harsh.....but true!

Just ONE example... How the hell does the Republican MINORITY hold over 400 bills hostage anyway?

Cory - in the Senate, there are rules that allow one Senator to put holds on bills if he so chooses. Usually this parlimentary tactic is used sparingly. In the past 2 years, we have had Senators abuse that rule. Tom Coburn is using this rule to hold up aid to Haiti. Jim Demint is using this rule to put a hold on ALL bills coming from the House, as he stated he wants to 'review' the bills before he allows them to go to the floor for a vote for cloture. it seems that many people - on both sides of the aisle - are ignorant of these rules.

You can look it up for yourself. Don't take my word for it.

"We need to repeal the part of Obamacare that allows prisoners to have access to viagra or any other luxury drug."

- Big Bear

What in the world are you talking about? There is no such provision in the health reform bill. Where do you get this stuff?

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/bentons-bogus-viagra-ad/

Disabled Vet-

Obviously you have served this country with valor and I both respect and honor you for that sacrifice.

Please think about the following:

1- Not voting for a 2200 page bill ,costing BILLIONS OF $$ ,that not one member of Congress read,let alone understood (Obamacare) is what any reasonable,responsible executive should do;

2- Voting to extend lower income tax rates for ALL taxpayers,particularly those who pay the most,by far, is NOT voting for higher taxes for the middle class;

3- Opposing any proposition put forward by Nancy Pelosi,arguably the dumbest woman in America does not qualify as negativity but rather as common sense;

4- Trying desperately to pass Obama off as having executive abilities let alone any business experience whatsoever, is an exercise in futility. The only statement he ever made that is correct is that we need change, but he is not the the change we needed.

5- As a Govt. employee all your adult life, I know you dont understand that private enterprise cannot just reach into the workingmans pocket to cover deficit spending as the Govt does,they either have to pledge their assets for a loan, lay-off employees or go out of business.

There is no bigger business than the USA, no one should ever be elected to Congress let alone the Presidency who does not have extensive executive experience.

Thank you for your military service.

You might be a tea bagger if...

... you think balancing the budget is our top priority but you want to extend the tax cuts for the rich.

... you call Obama a "dangerous socialist" who is ruining our country, but won't consider changing Social Security.

... you think providing ObamaCare to "those people" will bankrupt us, but don't want anyone to touch your Medicare coverage.

... you rave about Constitutional purity and the bill of rights, but want to repeal the 14th amendment which states that "All people born in the U.S. ... are citizens"

... you believe in small government and limited intrusion into our personal liberties, except in the cases of abortion, gay marriage, and pot smoking.

i now see your bias of news this is why i changed to ind was demo 30yrs and also im not looking to you for news sorry to say im a liberal gone with others better start telling the truth it will catch up to you as i research my news now and mostly get true news from foreign tv radio computer says alot for you don ee nasa ames ca

The GOP hasn't been asked for their opinion either...like the rest of the country..they are being shut out by OBAMA and his thugs...

No Jo No Bo NJ: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

People don't like being played for fools. Democrats believe that the electorate is made up of fools, morons, and people too frozen by fear to understand that high unemployment and sluggish growth are signs of a GOOD economy.

You are trying to tell me, in all honesty, the high unemployment (many people with no job) and sluggish growth (even for people with jobs, no foreseeable bonus or raise) are signs that the economy is GOOD? How do you figure THAT?? Tell me, upon which planet do YOU live????

People don't like being played for fools.

Apparently, many do; and come November 2, they are going to prove it.

Jesse James: the party of No Ideas doesn't have an opinion. If my Senator had been sitting on his thumbs instead of doing his job for two years, I would throw the bum out. It's like voting, if you don't vote, then you don't have the right to complain about what/who other people vote for.

Nashville,

The part of the bill I am referring to was an amendment to the Health Care Law, that was voted down by the Democrats.

an amendment to prohibit sex offenders from getting Viagra prescriptions under the new law. The Federal Government has required States to provide these prescriptions through federally subsidized health care plans. Cited information provided by the Congressional Research Service, which has confirmed that sex offenders out of prison can get Viagra and other drugs treating erectile dysfunction under health plans subsidized by taxpayer dollars. They've even located cases in which Medicaid has been used to provide sex offenders with erectile dysfunction drugs. Was dismissed as a crass political ploy by some Democrats and failed 57-52.

I am sorry that I said it was included in the law, oops, in a way it is. Because Democrats decided that is a political ploy to amend the health care law and adding that sex offenders could use federally subsidized health plans to get viagra and other erectile dysfunctional drugs. So in a way, although not stated directly. They are allowed to get viagra through federally funded health care plans.

Do you think that convicted sex offenders should be allowed to get viagra and other drugs like through their federally subsidized health care plans?

Why was this amendment voted down, yet we have to report all of our gold sales in the same law?

Why do they mandate that taxpayers have to buy insurance or be fined, yet allow taxpayers to pay for drugs for sex offenders?

Although I did make a mistake, this a part of the bipartisanship that works in Washington isn't it. I can't believe that people in Washington thought that this would be a bad amendment to the Health Care Law.

Glo,

You might want to read the whole article about why that Democratic Governor candidate told the President to "shove it".

It is because the President does not want lose one of his followers, the Independent candidate running for Governor. So the President, not backing his party member, decided not to back anyone, which means in reality, he is backing the Independent candidate.

If I were part of a political party, and the head of the party would not back me, I'd tell him the same thing.

It is amazing that as late as yesterday afternoon, President Obama was still stretching his hand across the aisle trying to get both parties to work together.

Navy, I do disagree with you. Prez. Obama makes numerous statements to this effect, but in reality, he marches to his own drum, ignoring any direction but his own. It does sound good, but the statement only serves his image.

During a speech on a Latino radio network, the Prez. asked to have the latinos to get out the vote to move his agenda forward. He also indicated that if the Republicans didn't get aboard with his programs then they can move to the rear of the bus, a racist comment from this leader. He also commented that his enemies would pay the price of opposing him.

As for the new Republicans in the House and Senate rolling-over to the Democrats to pass legislation: I want the newbies to move forward as a group to change existing legislation, improving at less cost the Obama programs. I want the Dems to make the change. When Republicans have in the past offered to negotiate in the peoples interests, the Dems have used their control to make the GOP members look like fools.

But you are entitled to your views, and I mine. and fiesty will now comment in her normal fashion.

Disabled Navy Vet - Thank you for your comments, it's nice to see some sanity in these discussions rather than personal attacks on others opinions.

So much is being said and said and said that are lies - but nobody seems to be hearing. The stimulus was a huge help to our economy in WA and from what I have read it was very helpful nationwide, but the right keeps saying it failed. Look at the data and not what fox news touts! The GOP brought this mess upon our heads and if they return to power we are screwed.

The GOP wants to return to the corporate greed because they get big bucks for turning their collective backs on the working class. All you have to do is look at the hisotry, or follow the money! This election is going to be won by the corporations and back street groups like Karl Rove's Crossroads organization unless people wake-up and take their Government back. Just look for yourself - the amount of money pouring into the GOP isn't because the corporations want to help the majority - but because they want favorable laws. Dah!

Please folks stop the retoric and look for yourself.

Big Bear:

You have got to stop believing all this stuff. "Viagra for sex offenders" is a huge red herring. Nobody is for viagra for sex offenders, okay? This is not a topic that is worthy of either one of our time.

It is some political catnip to keep us distracted. Please don't fall for it.

But Nashville,

Why would the Democrats vote something like that down?

It wasn't a 200 page amendment. It was a small amendment that would still allow sex offenders the right to purchase non federally subsidized health plans and get their viagra, but if no one agrees that sex offenders should have viagra, why would they vote against it?

Just questioning some of our leaders thought process.

The democrats have had a supermajority in the house and senate. Despite the retoric there is nothing the republicans could have done to stop Obama. Thanks God though some democrats had the nerve to stand up a little. Also note that this economy which is blamed on Bush (though even I would admit he did little to help it) didn't start to go bad until the dems took over the House in 2007. Coincidence? And that 2% that you want to beat up on are the 2% that pay over 45% of the taxes and create those jobs that you want so bad.

Ever stop to ask why jobs ar egoing overseas? Look at the tax burden on thtose 2% here versus in other countries. Look at union retirement beneifits that cost companies more than they pay their active productive work force.

The Gimme group is what is driving this country to bankruptcy. If you taxed the "Rich" at 100% it wouldn't cover Obama and the Dems spending

This election is a clear decision on which direction this country will go. Support Socialism and economic ruin or the constitution.

Wow, the number of hate-spewing liberals on this thread is SO disappointing. Not to mention the propaganda they brought along as well.

So many things are wrong right now and the majority of Americans believe it can only be fixed by changing those in power to those who will get the job done, or at least keep the far left from continuing to destroy our country. We know what we have now is NOT WORKING. Yet, those in power keep saying otherwise. They need to be tossed out of their Ivory Towers and forced to see what's going on in the real world.

Vote out EVERYONE who voted for Obamacare, the Stimulus and those who support passing Cap and Trade and Card Check. These folks could care less if you have a job.

I can't thank you enough for your service to this country U.S. Navy, however; your views on politics as well as the other 6 people that post on this website are unbelievably ignorant.

CONSERVATISM is what will fix this nation and conservatism alone. Its not complicated either. Lower taxes, create jobs. Has worked every time its been tried including when Clinton did in the nineties and Reagan did it in the 80's.

The Democrat argument for not lowering taxes for everybody is that it will break the bank. In the first place I don't believe that money is an object for Democrats because of the sheer magnitude of money required for healthcare reform at a time when the defecit is at a record high. Second of all history shows that tax revenues go up when rates are lowered.

Lastly all the government programs you depend on, medicare, social security, veterans' benefits are paid for by more than 90% by the top 15% of wage earners and will be exhausted in a few short years if the defecit isn't cut and taxes aren't lowered. its a simple matter of mathematics, look at the states that have already lost their AAA bond rating, look at California. The debt is real and we are not above it.

It should be common sense but sadly it isn't. Most small business will make over $250,000 in a given year, the number one suppliers of jobs. If they suddenly have to pay 15% more in taxes they will reduce costs in marketing and then labor. $250,000 as a threshold for wealth is ridiculous when it comes to the costs of running a business. Those that don't realize this have never ran a successful business or they are truly ignorant.

This issue is just one of several that the President refuses to fix with common sense tried and tested solutions. Why wouldn't he and democrats lower taxes? He's tried everything else.

Everything else is just an ad hominem attack on Conservatives by people who dont have sound arguments for why democrats should ever be allowed to remain in government, good luck Navy Veteran, cause the next few years will be especially hard on you if the democrats win.

You can't be that naive. The dems have the house, senate and white house. Barry should be able to pass anything he wants. He doesn't even have the support of his own party. The republicans can't stop anything if the dems were all on the same page.

Personally I am just fed up in general with politicians. The insinuation that one party or the other started the nasty name calling is quite laughable, READ YOUR HISTORY PEOPLE, mudslinging has been going on since the inception of politics. Nursery rhymes are nothing but political statements; name calling and bad mouthing are nothing new. To you liberals, sorry but your current agenda is just an exercise in failure please note that capitalism has thrived for 230 years in this country and communism can only last 60 years before governments realize that there is no incentive to working for the government for your entire life. To the Conservatives remember, today’s new movement is tomorrows good ole boy system, note to the GOP. Not one is better than the other, the best thing that we can do is to vote everyone out of office each election cycle until they learn who their bosses are, US!!!! When in doubt, vote them out!!!!

CONSERVATISM is what will fix this nation and conservatism alone. Its not complicated either. Lower taxes, create jobs. Has worked every time its been tried including when Clinton did in the nineties and Reagan did it in the 80's.

Privately owned citizen - I see. Didn't we experience 'compassionate conservatism' from 2000 through 2008?

And our deficits went through the roof.

During President Reagan's term - deficits up 189%.

During President Bush II's term - deficits up over 83% and a financial meltdown that almost takes out the WORLD's economy. lassiez-faire oversight and basically business 'did what it wanted to'. Wall street with unregulated derivatives that has almost bankrupted Main Street. Banks that refuse to lend money.

Is THIS what you are telling me will 'save' America?

Left='do unto others"

Sure, the Left has done such a wonderful job helping others in the country. They've helped them achieve a 10% unemployment rate. They've burden them and their children with a massive debt. They ignored and even encouraged illegal immigration. They've forced people to purchase insurance, insurance they may not want to purchase. They've vilified businesses for attempting to make a profit. Every move the Left has done has grown and enriched the government, and has shrunk and decimated the private sector.

Do unto others. Sure. You get your report card grade in a week Democrats. And we will not be grading you on a curve.

"They've vilified businesses for attempting to make a profit"

ONLY when they do it at the expense of our own honest, hard working citizens, JAS1- how many time do I have to post that??? You have a thing for Chinese citizens? Cool. I'm thinking, 'country first'- MINE!

Struck a nerve with drive-thru. Better calm down drive-thru, it only gets worse for you over the next week.

DBO - Ever wonder what a day without JS1's school yard taunts would be like around here?

Pretty pathetic... that all she's got! lmao

FRR- I'm just jealous because the guys at MSNBC put her picute up on the front page today, upper right area.....Looks good in gold, though, doesn't she?

Feisty;

This is the mid term exam, the final is 2012 and it counts for 75% of the final grade. Lets see what happens then.

feisty says "pretty pathetic...that all she's got!lmao

And yet no rebuttal

Me thinks feisty is out matched.................except in the being a smart @ss department, where she excels............yea....go feisty.

JoAnne- Every single thing, save the insurance, that you lay at the feet of democtats could be said about republicans as well. 10% Unemployment? Basically already in place when Bush left office. Illegal immigration? Bush did less to combat illigal immigrants than Clinton. Burden their Children with massive debt? Take a look at much debt was run up under Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. Growing the government? That has happened every year for the past 40 years- its nothing new and is most certainly not the responsibilty of only one party. You can try and vilify the democrats all you want, but facts speak for themselves.

Drive By,

You must have used the wrong numbers, 2 billion 0B0, please it has to be worth more than that with over 3.5 billion being spent during this elections cycle.

I would say though, that we could get out of debt if we sold it for 3 trillion dollars. Just don't know if we would get any bidders:)

Good Morning drive-by-observer and the rest of the gang. All excellent posts.

FRR- I'm just jealous because the guys at MSNBC put her picute up on the front page today, upper right area.....Looks good in gold, though, doesn't she?

I won't be on long I'm on my way to the rally with President Clinton. was a bit apprehensive because we have a wind warnings. But WTH, this is Windy City. If you don't like the weather in Chicago stay 15 min then see how like it as the old saying goes.

drive-by-observe

After the rally while I'm downtown I'll early vote.

Fox Noise STOP LYING!!!!! ILLEGALS CANT VOTE!!!!

Kris Kobach, the Republican nominee for Kansas Secretary of State who is quickly making a name for himself as an anti-immigration hardliner, is hoping to win votes by claiming illegal immigrants are fraudulently registering to vote in large numbers in his state.

http://washingtonindependent.com/101528/kobach-claims-illegal-immigrant-voting-is-rampant

That's not true There is a new law has been passed it's call HAVA ( Help America Vote Act) this is for all States you have to present a valid drivers licenses, social security no. Home address, and then they run it through Sacramento, if it doesn't check out they send you a letter that you are invalid, Now it is against the law they said you can be charged with a felony now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_America_Vote_Act

BTW: Kris Kobach is the man who helped write Arizona’s NEO NAZI SB 1070.

More lies from Fox Noise Echo Chamber: Military Voters May Get Shut Out in Illinois.

NOT TRUE:

Absentee Voting no longer takes weeks, but minutes.” Again, stop the FAKE NEWS' LIES. Just because the state didn’t get the paper ballots out in time, does not mean military and overseas citizens cannot vote, they can... With elections A FEW days away, voters need to know they can still request and receive their ballots within a matter of minutes. Absentee voting no longer takes weeks, but minutes." Those voters can get their ballot from FVAP.gov, complete it and print it with just a few clicks.

http://www.fvap.gov/

More lies from Fox Noise Echo Chamber:

Fiscal 2010 deficit thins to $1.29 trillion
Lie President Obama tripled the deficit. Truth Obama’s first budget reduced budget to $1.29 trillion!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E54M20101016

Fiscal 2010 deficit thins to $1.29 trillion

Lie President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy. 40% of the “stimulus” was wasted on tax cuts which only create debt, which is why it was so much less effective than it could have been
Truth: President Obama cut taxes!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/politics/19taxes.html?_r=1

On well there you have folks. It is true

On the USIBC website, many of the groups lobbying goals advocate changing American policy TO HELP BUSINESSES IN INDIA. Under the manufacturing policy goal, USIBC boasts that it “can play a helpful role in guiding U.S. companies to India, while supporting various policy initiatives that will enhance India’s reputation as a major manufacturing and investment hub. And G Beck is a liar

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/10/20/health-insurance-banking-oil-industries-met-with-koch-chamber-glenn-beck-to-plot-gop-wins-in-2010-election/#more-18207

Expect more lies even today.
Hold the fort down and keep up the good work as you always do.
Have a nice day.


Oh, no joe, no bo, nj, why aren't knocking on doors? Is it becaus e the homes in your neck of the woods are in foreclosure or the "rent is too damn high"?

JoAnnaSmith and proud republican:

The post was pathetic. The current rate of unemployment is said to be 9.6%, a worthless figure. It is probably considerably higher, but that number reflects PAID employment. There are plenty of unpaid jobs - parenting comes to mind - but parents are shucking that job off onto others thanks to umpty-ump tax breaks and credits. Those are budget busters. Will you cut those credits and exemptions? Further, the unemployment rate HAD to rise as American jobs are off-shored thanks to wealthy American investors investing in foreign industry. Will you raise capital gains taxes on foreign investment to encourage domestic investment?

A half-century of deficits, and you bright-eyed, small-government acolytes are just now discovering this fact? Where have you been? You want to talk about burdening grandchildren? Talk to your parents and grandparents. They began the trend and right up until the last administration, you helpfully continued it.

Encourage illegal immigration? That's a bald-faced lie. Deportations and prosecutions are far higher under this administration than the previous. Period.

Forced insurance purchases? Let's take a look at this. It's clear you don't understand numbers given your idiotic reference to "a curve", but the fact is unpaid medical care is going to impact you one way or the other. If a patient declares bankruptcy or simply refuses to pay, the care providers are going to have to recover those costs one way or another. In the end, it's coming from your wallet either through increased insurance premiums, higher medical costs, and/or government assistance. Do remember, no one may be refused medical service in this country.

Vilified business for attempting to make a profit? That is beyond pathetic. Corporations do not and never have paid taxes on their profits. They act as nothing more than a pass-through tax collector. I challenge you to make a legitimate defense for a health insurance CEO who takes home $125,000,000 in one year. Go ahead. Defend that in the face of the fact that the doctor who actually provides care will make considerably less than one-per-cent of that amount.

Neither Democrats nor Republicans have stellar records. Both parties have participated in this spiral downward into third-world nation status. However, the Republicans promise an acceleration of that downward spiral, serfdom for the vast majority of citizens, a stupendously wealthy ruling class, and devotion to ignorance.

JoAnnaSmith: "They've vilified businesses for attempting to make a profit."

But let me guess, YOU vilify the government for "not creating jobs" (again, in spite of you people claiming that you believe in small government) while shilling excuses for those most directly responsible for creating jobs not doing so. It's profits over jobs to these people, but you people still point fingers elsewhere, while pandering pathetic excuses in light of the lack of job creation.

It's amazing how ignorant wage slaves have been suckered into lobbying against their own self interests (and in cases like this, what you claim to believe).

One More thing; no no jo all blow

There is nothing dishonest or despicable about a senator of one party expressing his hope to render the president of the other party a one term president.

Oh Hell yes it is.

The focus should be to work for the people. That's what the tax dollars pay the republicans to do and work with President; not against him. Can you see that?

GOTTA RUN. I'M LATE. It seems you are too; no no jo all blow. You know what I mean? Check out a civics book.

CWYAL

All my lefty friends have a nice day and keep up the work debunking the right world.

Beverly - you ignorant....anyhoo, concerning your absentee voting for members of the military deployed in combat zones:

Having been deployed to combat zones, I know that computers, Internet connections and printers and usally not part of a fox hole or a FOB (forward operation base). However the US Mail is delivered and pick-up quite often. If ANY state fails to get out a ballot to deployed personnel, they are doing a great disservice to our country!

If that is the case, Beverly, you must be extremely proud of Nancy Pelosi and how she made it her goal to make W a lame duck president for the last two years of his term. Hmmm, can we say typical liberal double standard?

Except you have a choice between Hitler and Satan. I think I will select Alfred E Newman.

yeah, Bush was a lame duck by virtue of his incapacity to seek re-election,...but here's a bit of irony for you, he apparently found his veto pen up Cheney's butt while he was reaming him for shooting his 'buddy' in the face. So Lame Duck or Lame Ass, this wasn't Pelosi's fault.

JoAnna, let me ask you something. You say here: "They've forced people to purchase insurance, insurance they may not want to purchase." What I want to know is this...for those people who "may not want to purchase" insurance, a) are they covered under someone else's policy? and b) if not, how do they expect to pay for, say, a 3 day hospital stay? Or, are you insinuating that these people would be uninsured (by choice!) and would pass that hospital bill along to some third party (i.e., the taxpayers) to pay? What ARE you saying about people who "may not want to purchase" insurance? That they will never need hospitalization? OR that they have the mega-bucks needed to pay for such a thing??

Maybe that's what the rich people are doing with their extra 4% tax break. Paying for medical care without having any insurance.

I always thought that when they were talking about the number of uninsured they broke it down this way.

11 million uninsured illegal immigrants

1/3 of the rest were people between the ages of 18-30 who chose not to purchase insurance because they were "supermen & women" (wouldn't get sick or hurt)

1/3 of the rest did not purchase insurance because it would not fit into their budgets.

then 1/3 of the rest could not afford insurance.

How has the health care law changed the fact that 1/3 of the people cannot afford to purchase insurance. Have the lowered the price of insurance and I don't know about it? Is there a government insurance that I don't know about?

Just asking.

The focus should be to work for the people. That's what the tax dollars pay the republicans to do and work with President; not against him. Can you see that?

Define "the people". It's my opinion that the President is working against me and my wishes for this country. Am I not of "the people"? Since I must be (unless there is some kind of elitist standard one must meet to be considered of "the people") therefore are the Republicans not working for "the people" by opposing the President's extreme leftist agenda? Until the President moves back towards the center the Republicans have no business trying to work with him, suffice to say, tax dollars pay the President to work with all elected officials, Republican or Democrat.

dont forget to vote and VOTE OFTEN....as you did with the last election!

Hey "Fedup." How come if you "steal" an election (2000) it is OK (as long as your guy "wins") -- but if you lose one by a clear majority vote of the people it is cheating and unfair? President Obama did not take office by force -- he was actually elected. -- like it or not! But I guess republicans do not know how that kind of thing works..fair elections.

Total anarchy is the best government. Survival of the fittest. The strong shall survive. Enough said......

Any moron who doesn't know that our massive debt, unemployment and economic woes are the conclusion of 8 years of incompetence and corruption, and not the last 2 where at least the DOW has recovered 3000+ points, is not just ignorant, but plain stupid as well.

Survival of the fittest, hmm, so perhaps no minimum wage or other labor laws so we can lower our standard of living even more to the days of sweat shops, child labor, 16 hour work days, unsafe work conditions, etc. It would be funny if these simplistic solutions weren't so darn stupid.

About our broken health care system... To begin, no, we can't barter chickens for medical care. Going forward (not backward), the Exchange will go into effect in 2014. At that time any health insurance agency that has not played nicely (like the ones no longer offering plans for children in an attempt to avoid the new law about discrimination of preexisting conditions) will not be allowed into the Exchange. Companies in the Exchange also will then be subjected to tighter regulations.

The Exchange will be similar to what members of congress currently enjoy in terms of more selection, and premiums will actually be used for health care, specifically preventative care.

As with auto insurance, mandatory participation will probably be lax at first. Once the cost goes down due to competition in the Exchange and larger pools of healthier people, those who are poor will receive subsidies. The subsidies should be less cost to the tax payer then the current system of bankruptcy and costs being passed on in full.

As I've said about Medicare, we pay into it during our working days, then go to a fee-for-service program with premiums that are more affordable than otherwise. Sytems that are paid into in a mandatory way are always better than a "survival of the fittest" mentality in which we would have a welfare system completely on the tax payer dime. Reality check--no one is going to leave grandma to dumpster dive, or turn people away from ER.

There may be a better solution, but I have yet to see one, especially from the Republican/Tea Party. One thing for certain is we can't wait any longer to start with change of some kind--you can be disparaging and call it Obamacare all you want--but it's better than nothing from the Party of No.

Patriot,

Ah, the dream world, don't you know that nothing in government ever goes down. The price of insurance won't go down. We will never be able to get health care that we give to our congressmen. Our taxpayer dollars fund them, and yet they say we will get the same type of insurance.

What world are you living in? That will never happen, and cost will never go down, it is a government run program, look at Medicare, it was never suppose to be this high, yet with our government nothing goes down.

And yet none of you liberals want to cut anything from the budget. I'll tell you what, you cut federal employee salaries by 10% and you can have your health care.

Rob-1067535

Hey "Fedup." How come if you "steal" an election (2000) it is OK (as long as your guy "wins") -- but if you lose one by a clear majority vote of the people it is cheating and unfair? President Obama did not take office by force -- he was actually elected. -- like it or not! But I guess republicans do not know how that kind of thing works..fair elections.

I think you have your FACTS mixed up. Bush WON the election FAIRLY and yes, Obama DID STEAL the election…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

"Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwsNJTtXt24

CNN-Philly Man says he is voted a couple of times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0hUI33MVaQ&NR=1

Ohio Man Testifys ACORN Registed Him 18 + Times 10-13-08

"It's the economy stupid" to borrow a line...

It's the fact that tens of millions of Americans have NO JOBS and none can be expected in the tax and spend environment.

It's the $3 Trillion (with a T) current-year budget deficit and the $13 Trillion (with a T) debt load with no means of effectively reducing that debt on the backs of America's children, grandchildren and great grandchildren and so on through the future generations.

It's the hateful domestic economic terrorism of Pelosi, Reid and the Puppet of Penn Ave.

Food, gas and utilities prices are on the way up - and the liberals are wasting time and refuse to solve any real American pocketbook problems.

It's the divisive, provocative and hate-ful speech spewing from a fool in a once-proud office. (Surely that "back of the bus GOP" comment is a misprint. No one except a fool - and a fool who has no positive issue or achievement to discuss - would speak such trash talk rather than discussing the real issues of our day.

Vote out the incumbents in 2010. And 2012. Hurry up Nov 2.

drive-by-observer

"They've vilified businesses for attempting to make a profit"

"ONLY when they do it at the expense of our own honest, hard working citizens, JAS1- how many time do I have to post that??? You have a thing for Chinese citizens? Cool. I'm thinking, 'country first'- MINE!"

You can post your ignorance as often as you like but it will not equate to the truth among the intelligent.

Mr Clinton is the one who gave America to China. The repubs are not so good either, but who have the dems helped during this recession? Dems - all union members and mostly government employees. They say they want to help Americans but only help those who are in unions, because that is their support base. Screw everyone else. That agenda will screw everyone long haul.

The dow was at 14000 before Pelosi and company got control in 2007. 11000 now and struggling.

Unemployment was 4.61% when dems got control of congress in 2007, and was 5.76% in 2008, followed by 9.26% in 2009 and now at 9.6% in 2010. They have spent their way on borrowed $ and future generations for what? To keep government big while screwing everyone else.

Look at who did the best and worst for employment. Every time the dems screw it up, repubs bring it back down. Tell me your dem gubmnt is bias when it finally tells the truth.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm

You are spot on about the economy, danger filed, but ther is something more at work here. The fact of the matter is that the entire Obama campaign was fundamentally dishonest, and people do not like to be lied to by their candidates.

Obama campaigned as a pragmatic centrist, when was, and is,a far left liberal, which is how he has governed since taking office.

The majority was against the stimulus, recognizing it as doomed to fail to do anything but stimulate the deficit. It has failed, but we are told, ad nauseum, that it has, in fact, worked. Just not so anyone could recognize it.

The electorate was sold a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and got, instead, a pet rock.

They want a refund on the change.

dangerfield - To have Obama and the Democrats tell it, their story is that they have done everything perfect! To have Obama and the Democrats tell it, their accomplishments have been nothing short of a miracle. The only reason most of the country doesn't agree with them is that Obama/Democrats just have been so busy saving America that they haven't had time to convey their messages of their great grandeur and accomplishments to us.

What the poor incompetent Democrats don't have a lack of is being delusional. By any measure they have been total failures for their actions in the last 2 years. And they don't even understand that fact.

Report card time Democrats. And you won't be very happy with the grade Americans will soon give you.

"The electorate was sold a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and got, instead, a pet rock."

Funny- I seem to remember Obama saying REPEATEDLY, that it would be a long, hard road- nothing about a pot of gold. DIshonest much, No Jo??

The stimulus created jobs and the GDP is now growing instead of shrinking.

The deficit is shrinking instead of growing.

President Obama inherited a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit and the deficit it is currently projected to 1.29 million, which DOWN from last year.

The stimulus worked. The deficit is shrinking.

And yet here you are still complaining.

What does success look like in ya'lls world?

Fiscal 2010 deficit thins to $1.29 trillion

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E54M20101016

CBO: Stimulus Lowers Jobless Rate By Up To 1.8 Points

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/08/24/cbo-stimulus-lowers-jobless-rate-by-up-to-18-points/

I seem to remember Obama saying REPEATEDLY, that it would be a long, hard road- nothing about a pot of gold. DIshonest much, No Jo??

I seem to remember Obama wailing that if his $800 billion stimulus bill wasn't passed, unemployment would go over 8%. It was passed, and unemployment went to 10%. I seem to remember Obama saying he'd create 4 million jobs, 600,000 last summer, and the Summer of Recovery this year would produce 500,000 a month(see Biden quote from April/2011). Go back to Obama's and Biden speeches from last year and listen for the 'Shovel ready jobs' phrase, they used it over and over. Now Obama admits there were no 'shovel ready' jobs.

Obama has sold the country a bill of goods, and has failed. You want to cover your eyes to that fact and those truths, fine. But quit telling lies about what Obama said.

JoAnna:

You know that President Obama never promised that unemployment would not go over 8% if the stimulus was passed.

You and I have had this conversation before.

Post the link showing that President Obama said it or stop lying.

Unemployment was 7.6% when the stimulus was passed, so what in the world are you talking about?

How much do you get paid to come here everyday and stir up conflict and post lies?

Hope its alot, because its costing you your soul.

P.S. The stimulus worked, cut taxes and created jobs. And you know it.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/08/24/cbo-stimulus-lowers-jobless-rate-by-up-to-18-points/

From the Mother Jones piece by David Corn;

SIZE MATTERS. The "original sin of the Obama administration," says former labor secretary Robert Reich, "was to make the stimulus too small while giving out too much of it as tax breaks to businesses." By most estimates, the stimulus saved or created about 3 million jobs, but it did not keep the unemployment rate below 8 percent, as the White House had projected (PDF).

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/obama-stimulus-story-david-corn

The administration and therefore the HEAD of the administration, the President "projected" the rate and this repeated "show me where HE said it" is just silly...

It is also academic at this point...

Hope its alot, because its costing you your soul.

From the sound of her... what ever soul she might have possessed at one time is LONG gone!

It's impossible to have a soul and be a paid instigator at the same time! ;0)

JoAnna: You know that President Obama never promised that unemployment would not go over 8% if the stimulus was passed.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1910208,00.html

Joanna:

Nowhere in that link is President Obama quoted at all. The report that is refernced does not "promise" that unemployment would not go over 8%.

The report was prepared before the President was even inaugurated and it says in the report that it an estimate based on a fictional package, not the one that passed Congress.

You can read the report for your self . . . let me know when you find any "promises".

http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf

If you can't make your point without lying, you don't have a point.

NF: Nowhere in that link is President Obama quoted at all.

The amount misinformation you're producing is getting to be historic. Either Obama's advisers speak for Obama, or they don't. You want to believe that Obama advisers freelance and say things that Obama doesn't believe, fine, that's up to you. So if that's true, anytime Gibbs, or Jarrett, or Axelrod, or anyone of his cabinet members or czars or economic advisers say something, we can all just ignore it, or even believe the opposite is true, because it didn't come from Obama's lips.

Yeah, we all believe that.

So lets cut the nonsense, okay?

From the Washington Examiner

You won’t find too many defenders of George W. Bush’s record on spending these days, even among Republicans. But a check of historical tables compiled by the Office of Management and Budget shows that the spending that so distressed Pelosi and Reid seems downright modest today. After beginning with a Clinton-era surplus of $128 billion in fiscal year 2001, the Bush administration racked up deficits of $158 billion in 2002, $378 billion in 2003, $413 billion in 2004, $318 billion in 2005, $248 billion in 2006, $162 billion in 2007, and $410 billion in 2008.

AND, lets not forget Clinton robbed Social Security to balance HIS budget.

The current administration would kill to have such small numbers. President Barack Obama is unveiling his budget this week, and, in addition to the inherited Bush deficit, he’s adding his own spending at an astonishing pace, projecting annual deficits well beyond $1 trillion in the near future, and, in the rosiest possible scenario, a $533 billion deficit in fiscal year 2013, the last year of Obama’s first term.

And what about the national debt? It increased from $5 trillion to $10 trillion in the Bush years, leading to dramatically higher interest costs. “We pay in interest four times more than we spend on education and four times what it will cost to cover 10 million children with health insurance for five years,” Pelosi said in 2007. “That’s fiscal irresponsibility.”

Now, under Obama, the national debt — and the interest payments — will increase at a far faster rate than during the Bush years.

“We thought the Bush deficits were big at the time,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, told me this week as he prepared to attend Obama’s Fiscal Responsibility Summit. “But this is going to make the previous administration look like rank amateurs. We could be adding multiple trillions to the national debt in the first year.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obamas-trillions-dwarf-Bushs-dangerous-spending.html#ixzz13TVfEJt0

JoAnna:

You are a liar. If you mean "Obama's advisors" say "Obama's advisors".

President Obama's advisors NEVER PROMISED that unemployment would not go over 8%.

I printed the link to the report.

So STOP LYING.

A PROJECTION based on a PROTOTYPE not the ACTUAL BILL is NOT A PROMISE.

And you know it.

Dear westpoint 80:

The deficit is shrinking not growing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E54M20101016

The health reform bill SHRINKS the deficit.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3178

President Obama is spending money to provide relief to the American people who are being pillaged by the "corporate people".

This spending would not be necessary if the Republican Party did not subject us all to voodoo economics featuring unpaid for wars, unfunded tax cuts, unpaid corporate taxes, and outsourced jobs.

If tax cuts are the solution, how come they lead to deficits and depression instead of prosperity?

I am still waiting for someone to tell me how doing the same stuff that created the problem will solve it.

Nash, my son was five years old. It was half an hour to dinner, and he asked if he could have a Cookie. I said no, it was too close to dinner.

So, he snuck a handful of pretzels. When I chastised him, he said, but you only said I couldn't have a cookie. You didn't say I couldn't have pretzels.

He got sent to bed after supper.

What I'm saying is that your "too clever by half" nonsense does not work. You can drop it, or continue to be seen as foolish.

no joe:

As much time as you spend thinking about me and President Obama, perhaps you should get a handful of pretzels yourself, mmmmmkay?

You and JoAnna tell alot of lies.

That's not my opinion, that is a fact.

Nashville_fan: JoAnna: You are a liar.

Well, that's it for you Nashville. We can disagree. We can debate. We can agree. We can have different opinions. But this is really beyond the limit.

You have a nice life Nash.

You stop lying JoAnna.

If you cannot support what you say, don't say it.

My life would be alot nicer if folks would stop lying. We can't even discuss policy in this country for having to waste so much time debunking the lies that you and the candidates you support spout daily.

It's a disgrace.

Nashville,

I am going to disagree with the part about the stimulus report that you seem to think was not his.

Was he the one that asked for the report to be done? Was he the one that used that report to get the stimulus package passed? Even though his adviser's wrote the plan, wasn't he the one that proposed the stimulus using this plan. Maybe he should take responsibility for his plan!! Where does the "Buck Stop" for Obama?

You and I argue over personal responsibility all the time. That is good, but if it is his advisers, and his administration, shouldn't he have to take some responsibility for the plan that he proposed? When does he have to take responsibility for his employees?

If one of my employees upsets a customer, then I have to take responsibility for their actions, give a discount/or comp the meal, and then in private reprimand the employee.

So shouldn't the President have to stand by his employees?

Hmmmmm Is Nashville on this planet, because this guy seems to be an alien. Ummmm dude, you cant seem to draw a conclusion from a given fact. Time to rethink that precious education.

Big Bear:

President Obama never PROMISED that unemployment would not go over 8% if the stimulus passed.

His advisors never PROMISED that unemployment would not go over 8% if the stimulus passed.

So the issue is not "standing behind" anything. The issue is this report being repeatedly MISCHARACTERIZED for POLITICAL GAIN.

I posted the link. Read the report. Find the promise. Print the promise.

It ain't there. Stop saying that it is.

LittleJoPeep:

I am a woman. Did you have something to add to the conversation? If so, I certainly haven't read it yet.

LittleJoePeep,

Nashville is not a dude! And usually refrains from personal attacks, except against me:)

Nashville,

Did the President use this plan to pass the stimulus through? Yes or No

In the plan does it estimate that unemployment would be 8% or less? Yes or No

Should the President be held responsible for his advisers' plan? Yes or No

Big Bear:

It is ironic that you would accuse me of personally attacking you, since I have gone out of my way to present you with the facts that lead me to support our President.

Of course, I decided to stop wasting my time on that pursuit when I read your response yesterday accusing me of being dependent on the government because I don't believe that the same policies that got us into this mess will get us out.

I wish you nothing but the best Big Bear, but I think we have reached the end of what can be considered an "exchange of ideas".

We are entering the "yeah, I see these facts but I am choosing to ignore them" territory.

Time to move on. At least for me.

Nashville,

Please look at the end of my response. There is a smiley face, meaning, I thought in all blogs, "joking". To set the record straight with all reading. You have never attacked me personally, I have respected all of your posts, and I did question whether or not you worked for the government, thereby, being dependent upon the government.

I am enlightened by your post, and love to agree to disagree with you.

Wait a second, Nash, some weeks back you were all up in my face about how the actual figure promised was 8.8% and that the 8% was a lie and spin. What's with the discrepancy today, eh?

Even CNN ran a segment over the weekend showing the Hypocritcal Republicans who publicly screamed about the STIMULUS not working and how is was bad for the country...while privately begging for the Stimulus $. It was actually funny. Especially Michelle Bachmann on the floor talking out of one side of her mouth about how the Stimulus would not create jobs and the BIG Old graphic of her letter begging for the money and stating how many jobs it would create!

It is a shame that the avarage voter has no idea that the Stimulus has done such good for the country because the MSM spends so much time distracting us with BS.

Big Bear:

Yes No Yes

From the report that you are choosing not to read while simulutaneously holding the President responsible for it:

"First, the likely scale of employment loss is extremely large. The U.S. economy has already lost nearly 2.6 million jobs since the business cycle peak in December 2007. In the absence of stimulus, the economy could lose another 3 to 4 million more. Thus, we are working to counter a potential job loss of at least 5 million. As Figure 1 shows, even with the large prototypical package, the unemployment rate in 2010Q4 is predicted to be approximately 7.0%, which is well below the approximately 8.8% that would result in the absence of the plan.

Second, as emphasized above, there is considerable uncertainty in our estimates: both the impact of the package on GDP and the relationship between higher GDP and job creation are hard to estimate precisely. . ."

http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf

It is CLEARLY STATED that these are ESTIMATES and LIKELY to be incorrect. So why is the media pretending like the President predicted definitively that the stimulus would keep unemployment under 8% when he NEVER DID?

The unemployment rate in January 2009 was 7.6%, so CLEARLY nobody in there RIGHT MIND thought that the Stimulus package was going to be able to hold it under 8%. The stimulus bill wasn’t signed into law until mid February . . . the unemployment rate then was ALREADY 8.1%.

Nice chatting with you Big Bear . . . but it seems like you are not looking for answers . . . you are looking for confirmation of what you already believe.

Good luck with that.

Exodite Dragon:

I was "all up in your face"?

lol

My apologies.

I am saying today what I have been saying for the past year.

The report made projections and is loaded with caveats indicating that they were not promises, but estimates based on the best information available.

I am not saying that President Obama is not accountble for the report. I am saying that the report is not a promise and was never presented as such.

Hey, I just like to use cute turns of phrase when I post.

I'm just keepin' it real, yo. Kickin' it for the streets, man, the streets!

But in all seriousness, if that's what it is, that's what it is. I think the miscommunication here is how the media presented the figures in the reports - how it was played to the public versus what was intended. I do not think there would be so much noise made over the figures as actual promises were people not led to believe as such.

Thank you, however, for at least stating Obama is culpable for the analysis, whatever the outcome.

Big Bear:

If I misninterpreted your post, I apologize.

I know you are new here, and I don't want anything I say or do to make you leave.

But I have been here for years debunking the same BS daily.

I find it frustrating how even when folks are shown that what they believe is not true, they are still willing to vote for the folks who told them the lie.

But my primary purpose is not to change your vote, but to explain why I support the President and feel that he is not getting credit for the things that he has done to make our country better.

If you can look at the reality of what is happening and still support those who got us here, fine with me.

But nobody in the media owned and operated by the "corporate people" is explaining the devastating effects these talking points are having on us "human people".

So I am trying.

Take it or leave it, but its here.

Nashville

You keep harping on the deficit decreasing but you have no idea what that means do you.

The DEFICIT how much more expenses the government has compared to how revenue it is taking in A GIVEN YEAR. A budget SURPLUS is the exact opposite (government takes in more money than its costs)

The NATIONAL DEBT is an accumulation of all these deficits and surpluses. So if we have a deficit again this year, does our debt increase or decrease? If you increase, you are correct.

To be fair, the US has had debt ever since the end of the Civil War (because we want our economy to be growing) and we will never go bankrupt.

But please learn the meaning of terms before you casually throw them out there. A good way to do that is take macroeconomics at your local community college.

Mitesh:

What is it that I posted that leads you to believe that I don't know the difference between a "deficit" and "the debt"?

Everything I posted deals with "the deficit", which folks keep telling us is "skyrocketing" under President Obama.

That is NOT TRUE. The deficit we have now is largely the deficit that the Republican party left us, and has in fact started to SHRINK under President Obama in 2010.

The spending that President Obama is doing is to alleviate the suffering created by the erroneous belief that letting "corporate people" do whatever they want is good for America.

I have a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration and have attended many economics classes.

So perhaps instead of worrying about my education, you need to verify some of these lies that are being peddled as truth to the detriment of us all.

Nashville,

I am taking exerts from your President's plan:

A package in the range that the President-Elect has discussed is expected to create between three and four million jobs by the end of 2010.

so we are hoping that by the end of this year, there are 3 to 4 million jobs created. If that is possible, then the Prez might break even since he came to power, since he is down since his term started -3.1 million jobs. But that was June 2010.

It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error.

I understand that these were just estimates have a margin of error. My problem is that this is what was presented, this is what the President offered, so I believe that he should have to stand behind his plan.

In light of the substantial quarter-to-quarter variation in the estimates of job
creation, we believe a reasonable range for 2010Q4 is 3.3 to 4.1 million jobs created.

So we are in the final quarter of the estimated job creation part of the plan. Now I might be mincing words here, but they are quoting jobs "created" here, not saved. That I think is another part of the plan.

even with the large prototypical package, the unemployment rate in 2010Q4 is predicted to be approximately 7.0%, which is well below the
approximately 8.8% that would result in the absence of a plan.

I will still wait to see what will happen. The President still has until the end of the year for his plan to reach 7.0%. Because he does estimate that the unemployment rate should be 7% by the end of the fourth quarter. But even without the plan, they estimated the 2010 4th quarter would only be 8.8%. I also know these are estimates.

Union representation is higher than average in some of the sectors in which the recovery package creates significant numbers of jobs. Union coverage in construction and manufacturing, which account for almost one-third of the jobs created by the package, are 14% and 11%, respectively, compared to 7.5% coverage for the private sector overall.

Shouldn't we be worried about creating jobs for all Americans, not 25% of the package used to bolster Union areas, compared to 7.5% used to help the private sector. I thought that Unions were part of the private sector, is there something I am missing.

I have sat and read and looked at all of these charts again, just for you!

If I presented this plan to America, I would expect them to think that by the end of this year, unemployment would be down to 7% because of the plan. Because that is what is perceived being said. Can we take into consideration all the words, like marginal, estimates, and etc... Smart people do, but perception, well that is 90% of what people believe to be truth.

Are you gonna except my explanation of the attacks? oops, I see the above post. Just remember, I love to laugh and make jokes, although you can't always see them on blogs.

My issue was that you keep boasting about how the deficit this year is down from $1.416 trillion to $1.294 trillion and how you are so happy about that. I don't understand how anyone can be so happy when the government is still spending that much more than it is taking in. I too want the economy to grow and thus we need to be in a deficit but come on don't you think $1.294 trillion is still very excessive? There have to be cuts made in some social programs...I am pretty sure if normal folks like you and I went through all that to see where that $1.294 trillion is going, we could easily cut out at least 30-40% of the spending...

Also, I didn't mean to offend you on your education. It's just that too many people nowadays say a lot of stuff using fancy terms and don't actually know what those terms mean...

Big Bear:

I think the report speaks for itself. Thanks for actually reading it. If we learned nothing else from the melt down on Wall Street and the implosion of the world economy, no matter how sophisticated an economic model is, it is not a prophecy.

President Obama and his advisors presented a plan based on the information available at the time. That is all any human can do.

Some predictions will be right, and some will be wrong.

But this report has been endlessly spun to create the false impression that the President believed that once the stimulus bill was passed, this country would magically be transported to easy street.

That simply is not true.

In terms of the specific questions you ask, I will try to address them, but I am going to have to leave my desk for a bit.

Peace.

Mitesh:

Thanks for the clarification.

I don't think that a 1.29 trillion dollar deficit is something to celebrate.

But I do think that if we are going to go around loudly decrying that President Obama is sending us to hell in a handbasket, fairness would dictate that if we get a tiny bit of movement in the right direction, it could at least be noted.

Ironically enough, those who created the deficit now get to walk away scott free and blameless.

And we are supposed to now take their advice as to what to do now.

Forgive me if I feel less than confident in their pronouncements.

Let's not go blaming only one party for our deficit. You can look at statistics of who was in charge or who had whatever thin majority during a period of deficit spending, but the fact of the matter is this: politicians want to do what is popular. People want the programs they've become accustomed to, and they want them to cost as little as possible. Program cuts and tax increases are not popular no matter which side of the aisle you sit on.

As for the current deficit, I think the small reduction does represent progress. Some of that reduction may come from cuts, but a majority of it comes from increased tax revenue. (not due to tax increases, but because of increased economic activity. Government does well when the people it governs do well.)

As for your assertion that 30-40% of the budget could be cut by "normal" people, Mitesh, note that about 3/4 of our budget is comprised of Medicare, Social Security and defense, and another 9% or so is required to pay interest on our debt. The two social programs have low overhead and are very popular, and the latter may have waste, but who wants to cut defense? Then we'd be unsafe!! Cutting "waste" is a popular refrain, and there is plenty to go around but to balance the budget will require an honest dialogue about what we want and how much we wish to pay for it.

Let's realistically talk about slashing defense costs, then. Anybody in the know? Anybody have an idea where to start?

Waste, there is tons of waste out there.

Even though pork barrel spending is 1% of the budget, it is something that should be cut completely.

Foreign aid should be cut by at least 50% if not 75%. This next year that is 41 billion dollars, why should we be shipping money overseas when we can't take care of ourselves. What 20-30 billion dollars--well that is half of what the Prez wants for his next stimulus for infrastructure.

Cut Federal employee's salaries. The average (Mar 2010) pay and benefits for a federal employee was $123,049, while the average for private sector jobs was $61,051. There are 1.43 million federal civilian workers out there.

if you cut their salaries by:

5%-$6152.45 per person X 1.43 million = $8.8 billion saved

10% -over $17 billion saved

15%-over $25 billion saved

But our president instead of freezing federal employee salaries is:

President Obama ordered a freeze on bonuses for 2,900 political appointees. For the rest of the 2-million-person federal workforce, Obama asked for a 1.4% across-the-board pay hike in 2011, the smallest in more than a decade. Federal workers also would qualify for seniority pay hikes

That on average is $1723 per employee--or about $2.5 billion more in salaries. Why would anyone ever leave a federal job?

Where to cut? More solutions, I found some. Anyone else got some?

BigBear,

You could cut federal salaries by 50% and you'd come up with about a 10% deficit reduction. That's not bad, but it's not the 30-40% budget reduction Mitesh spoke of.

I like Gates' proposal of cutting 100 billion over 10 years from defense. Defense is approximately 680 billion per year, IIRC. I bet there are more redundancies that could be cut there, but like ED, I don't have any sort of intricate knowledge of the defense budget.

I would like to end the Bush tax cuts as well. Your suggestions combined with these two items would reduce the deficit by a few trillion dollars over the next decade. I'm sure there's more money to raise/spending to cut, but that would be a start.

Anon,

I would be willing to cut into defense as long as it does not put our troops in harms way. I am sure there is enough wasteful spending to cut that much, maybe 10 billion a year over 10 years.

But I know that even more waste exist. We could end a lot of expenditures by reforming SS, Medicare/Medicaid, and other social welfare programs.

I have listed a way in prior posts on how to reform SS. But thanks, trying to find solutions that help everyone is what we should be doing. Not complaining about whose fault it is.

Cutting wages of people in federal employ across the board is foolish. Some of those hard working Americans do a heck of a job. Some of them are in positions that are essential to making the way we live possible. The only way to cut spending is to go ( as has been suggested before) line by line to find things that don't need to be there. When you start cutting things without looking at them individually you may cut something vital. Yes I work in the private sector.

But thanks, trying to find solutions that help everyone is what we should be doing. Not complaining about whose fault it is.

Ain't that the truth.

Do be careful about phrasing defense cuts as everything except what might 'put the troops in harm's way.' A lot of people out there will twist that to avoid cutting anything out of the defense budget.

Cutting wages of people in federal employ across the board is foolish. Some of those hard working Americans do a heck of a job.

Which is no different than the millions of private sector employees who lost their jobs due to budget cuts, among other things, these past three years.

When it comes down to it, I think it's a far better thing to slash the pay of a wide swath of federal employees over outright firing any percentage of them. Case in point: a friend of mine runs a consulting firm, and she was absolutely loathe to release any of her employees last winter. Rather than be the big bad boss and fire indiscriminately, she cut her own pay and offered her workforce a choice: one could opt to either stay on board with reduced pay and benefits to weather the storm or be released.

I fail to see the problem with applying that same logic to federal employees.

From Nashville Fan's post, a quote from Obama's Proposed Stimulous Plan...

"First, the likely scale of employment loss is extremely large. The U.S. economy has already lost nearly 2.6 million jobs since the business cycle peak in December 2007. In the absence of stimulus, the economy could lose another 3 to 4 million more. Thus, we are working to counter a potential job loss of at least 5 million. As Figure 1 shows, even with the large prototypical package, the unemployment rate in 2010Q4 is predicted to be approximately 7.0%, which is well below the approximately 8.8% that would result in the absence of the plan.

Second, as emphasized above, there is considerable uncertainty in our estimates: both the impact of the package on GDP and the relationship between higher GDP and job creation are hard to estimate precisely. . ."

Am I missing something?

Does the text (from Nash - that I have highlighted in BOLD font) not state that the 2010 Q4 unemployment rate is projected to be 7%? Which according to the report is far less than the 8.8% that it is projectd to be without the plan.

OK Nash I will go so far as to say that the president did NOT "promise" that the unemployment rate would stay below 8%. However, his team (and therefore he, himself) stated that is is projected to be 7%.

Yes they stated that it is an estimate and that there is lots of variability in the estimates, but that did not stop them from using those unreliable estimates to sell their idea.

If they did not want to be held responsible for the performance vs. the estimates... perhaps they should not have used the estimates to sell their agenda?

BigBear - Gates' proposal of cutting 100 billion from defense over 10 years was based on his knowledge of our systems and the idea that there are redundancies in coverage. Most of these cuts would result in office closures whose duties are already performed elsewhere.

I agree wholeheartedly that we shouldn't be arguing over who is to blame. It's why I've remained quiet on these boards as of late.

Tom - I'm sure BigBear was just discussing the mathematics of the wage reduction. I also agree that we can't slash wages across the board. For instance, I have friends who work in finance in the public sector that moonlight in the private sector because it pays more. Slash the pay in those jobs and they might leave the public sector altogether. No one is saying that public sector employees don't work hard, but you can't deny that they are often better compensated than their private sector counterparts.

Last time I read the dictionary, "estimated" was not defined as hard fact, nor was it defined as a promise.

SickOfTheBickering:

Thanks for your input. I think I've said more than enough on this topic today.

Love your name.

"Deficit shrinks"

And "The Biggest Loser" lost an ounce last week.

Tom Reston,

Why shouldn't federal employees have to take wage or benefit cuts? We are the taxpayers, there are only 1.43 million federal employees, so that means that we, the taxpayers, should request that they take a salary cut until unemployment has decreased.

Should they get another raise in 2011--$1700 is a lot of money to some people, that will pay for 5 more weeks of unemployment for some people. If we are going through a tough recession and economic times, then federal employees should have to share that, not get raises. And I work in the private sector also.

Our government has to cut back, make smart choices, and reform some of the things that it spends on. Either we start making smart good choices now, or we lose everything later.

You can tell by Jo's post that she is clearly delusional. At no time did the democrats say that they were perfect or were going to be able to accomplish miracles.

This alone makes her credibility nil, as her bias is sickening.

I do agree that the president and democrats overreached though... Keep in mind though the dead weight they've been carrying around on every turn, for every vote, and for anything that they wanted to do for the American people. Utterly obstructionist and extremely unapologetic Republicans, who put this country into dire straights, have brainwashed you already--within 2 years. How sad.

I've been reading her drivel for over two years now! How do you think I feel?

One thing you will find is she NEVER backs up her accusations with proof!

She believes people are just going to take her word for it! *wink wink*

Nashville_fan

"JoAnna:

You know that President Obama never promised that unemployment would not go over 8% if the stimulus was passed."

You are right and wrong on that one Nash. His chief economist said it for him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/06/AR2010080606271.html

And while Obama keeps saying that the stimulus created jobs, that is totally false. With unemployment below 8% 2 years ago and at 9.6% today, anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of math can show that a higher unemployment rate couldn't be possible with job creation from the stimulus, which seems to be a total failure from what it was touted to do.

The only jobs it saved (not created) were mostly government and a few non-government union jobs. It did nothing to help the private sector, which is why most Americans are mad about it.

One more time, Jody- Reagan broke the back of inflation by opening the boarders to imports, since there was no blessed way we could manufacture enough to meet the demand that was fed by hyper-inflationary wage increases.

Oh, while we're on the topic, Wiki is not a good place to get an education in economics. Ask any college professor-they'll tell you that you need a whole lot of math you never took, as well as a lot of economic theory. Parroting phrases you barely understand makes you look foolish.

Yes, the Japanese invested plenty in this country during Reagan's term- they are still paying for it today. They spent tons of money here, and got ripped off by some pretty slick characters.

Kind of like the American electorate is doing with Obama and the democrats. Oh, he's great at spending borrowed money, but what do we have to show for it? Higher unemployment, higher debt, and sluggish growth. Think that's the change people hoped for?

I don't. Neither does the majority of the electorate.

Ronald Reagan. A terrible Actor, a Governor and a President. And yes. I was old enough to vote against him. If we continue to follow in the footsteps of these clowns, Reagan, and the Bush's, we will be condemning ourselves and our children to a life not seen since Herbert Hoover. PLEASE vote Democrat. Don't let these people take control of our Country and destroy it.

I really approve of what your talking about, WE NEED TO THINK AND VOTE WISELY.

"One more time, Jody- Reagan broke the back of inflation by opening the boarders to imports,..."

Would these be the same boarders that think their rent is too damned high?

What???

Tom, your name says it all. You live in a state where they wrote a budget based on a stimulus present. If Brown is elected your going to have to sell California, wait I forgot. Your going to pass Prop 19. Looks like Nancy will be legal now.

At this point in the election I have had enough of trying to dissuade pointless dumb blathering of Liberal talking points. I said this you said that you say this I say that. I try not to differentiate male/female unless its obvious. They mindless Liberal blather derives from the blatherer. Once you open your mouth you become a target. Kinda like combat once you open fire you compromise your position. Its the muzzle fire that gives you away. I am glad the muzzle fire is going to subside soon. Im tired of the Union people I pay using my time organize van trips to the polls. Why do they need shovels in the van? Maybe some of you will get that!

He'll spend the dough!
Write the checks!
Disregard the mounting de-ebt!!!

Stop the globe from getting warm,
Fill your car with nuts and co-orn!!!

And so forth and so on, courtesy of Jib-Jab.

That joke was just WAITING for the typo to come along and present itself, Buzz!

I am LMFAO! thanks for always keeping it REAL!

It's easy to see from LittleJoe's response--his lack of writing ability, comprehension or any in depth thoughts or arguments, what his credibility is (and those like him).

Stop thinking you're smart and actually listen to something someone else says for once. Those that you are berating have written far, far more persuasive concepts with many degrees more clarity than you are failing to convey--and you will never see this because you have decided that you're a genius on the topic from what you've been told to parrot by specific news outlets and pundits.

Jody simply asked you to think hard. She presented that historically, certain economical events occurred to follow certain socio-economical reforms and political moves. This is simple, simple stuff. And look at how you answer?

This is why our country is in the s-hole, plain and simple--people believing they are incredibly informed, yelling at the top of they breath, when they have simply been told what to believe by those who have an agenda.

Anger and ignorance--the new, powerful tools of the 21st century.

It isn't class warfare- it's neofeudalism. Those at the top are now petty kings in all but name- and there's every possibility of a Second American Revolution based on economic disparities if this trend continues.

And yet the Republicans will say that the unemployed COULD work if only they'd get off their butts and get a job---they must enjoy being on unemployment. Well--this certainly refutes that---those people had been earning money and then weren't. It breaks my heart to think of the toll the unemployment takes on their lives and their families and then they are insulted by politicians who demonize them. And then they vote against extensions of unemployment benefits.

US Navy, the dramatic increase at the very top would be owner's equity. That would be the money that is left over after all expenses. It has increased because of economic insecurity. Company owners are holding more money to wait and see what will happen in this election season. The insecurity comes from potential tax increase and health insurance cost.

DNV,

And when those tax cuts expire on December 31, 2010, all of us little folk are gonna have to pay more to the Prez to run his programs. And so many of you never talk about cutting programs and government spending, but insist on spending more to erase our problems.

At your house, can you ever spend your way out of debt?

I would be willing to bet that part of the reason so many people reported no income in 2009 was due to employers paying people under the table to avoid paying Social Security tax, Medicare tax, unemployment insurance, etc.

In other words, cheating the system.

BB

I enjoy reading some of your post. They are thought out and presented well. I do have one small issue with this last one. The U.S. economy is a beast, please do not act as if it is as simple as sitting at the dinner table and getting a family check-book in order. I don't know if spending, tax cuts, or all the isms folks seems to love these days are the way to go. Most of us don't know enough about the system or economics to even make an educated guess.

I have read alot of nonsense on this board about which economic system should have been and should be put to use to fix the issues of the day. None of them seem to take into account the one thing that is at the center of all this failure. Greed. Public, private, corporate, government and personal greed seem to mess up any economic system.

Tom Reston,

Thank you for you polite words.

I understand that the US economy is a huge beast. But we need to cut back in areas so that we may grow in others.

You are correct about Greed, it is a good thing, and a bad thing. It plays both sides of the fence. Being greedy has lead to many people making a fortune in this country. Being greedy has allowed our politicians to really not think about the people, but of themselves and their own agendas. Greed has made corporations almost invincible.

There is a time for greed, and a time for restraint. I believe we need to restrain parts of our government, yet believe that all people, taxpayers, should be greedy with their money.

Who is most responsible for the greed that has corrupted our economy?

Are we, as voters and taxpayers, doing anything to stop this? Are we united in trying to stop this from happening in the future?

These are not rhetorical questions, but it is honestly frightening how differing the answers to these questions will be.

The IS a correct answer, based on facts. It seems that we have been confused and blinded by some though that there is little hope for the unity we need to help ourselves as a nation.

Yeah. C'mon America! If you don't vote the way Pat wants, it means you are a racist, fascist country! We're still waiting to hear from Pat on what kind of country we are if it is a nail biter in either direction etc...But stay tuned...

Pat,

I am a registered republican, but searching through my very short political history, i cannot for the life of me remember why i decided to register. Comments like those above further my questioning of my party affiliation.

Trading in the Elephant for a Donkey this election season. Possibly for good.

Call me a cynic---but FR has been telling us for months how it is going to be a sweep for the Republicans and now that the Democrats are fighting back and showing signs of life, they have to hedge their bets by designing some scenario where the Dems win. How about this: let's just let the election happen and then analyze what happened. I know----I'm as predictable as they are but come on.

Here's what I got when i followed your link...

Harry Reid aide off campaign after reports of sham marriage

IR:

Excellent post. We do indeed have our hands full with the likes of Rand Paul supporters hitting in the head a Move-on Supporter. There are countless others hiding in militia groups patriot groups, minutemen groups, dormant KKK groups and other extreme conservative hiding places.

Isn't interesting, dangerfield? This woman was paid to marry someone on a terrorist watch list; the marriage was determined to be a sham, which is, by the way, illegal, but she is not being prosecuted, so we will never know who paid her.

Think the media will harp on it until the Reid camp must divulge that information?

Excellent post, IR. Pallin around with terrorists is apparently acceptable as long as they are right leaning ones like militias. Always makes me doubt how patriotic a group really is when they are all about anti-democracy.

I find it right amusing of a morning that with all the carnal peccadilloes that have been revealed on both sides of the aisle some folks still seem to be able to equate that with a fellow that would load up a truck full of diesel and fertilizer and take it somewhere and set it off just for the sheer pleasure of watching it go boom

In the words of a SC Republican 'YOU LIE NOJO".

I read the article, nowhere init is Any allegation of terrorist watchlist. However, he was here on a Student Visa, which was about to expire.

Also, she pleaded Guilty to havining a Sham marriage.

Not quite a terrorist WatchList, but in your make beleive World, You:

Knock on doors while posting on 1st read, even tho you fell & damaged your wrist about 2-3 weeks ago.

You Lie, is a Mild response to the absolute madeUp stuff you post here.

I'm Told that taking depression Meds will cause you beleive in fantasy, You are past that Point.

Halloween is this weekend NOJO, do something positive if you can!

Rick, No Joe NEVER sources her 'conclusions' when she posts them. I have caught her in a lie more than once.

Obfuscation is No Joe's middle name. She is kinda Sharron Angle-esque with a lot of her posts, so why should we ever believe her?

Maybe she will actually source some of the stuff she posts to back up many of her claims.

Or not.

I am not holding my breath, though.

Thanks Steve!

It was quite the commute this morning!

I didn't know flying squirrels were indiginous to the Chicago-land area! ;0)

We have a tornado watch going here in Milwaukee as well, flying squirrels in Washington and Oregon I am used to, the ones here just look very surprised!

Keep Safe Feisty!

For once we agree about something, Steve. We were under a tornado watch from 10 PM last night to 6 AM this morning. The wind is howling right now, stuff is flying and I hear things hitting the house and the roof. Be careful out there.

Holy crap. Why is there a tornado watch in effect for Chicago? o_o

Y'all be safe. <_<

Louis, In case you didnt read the entire article, She was a ACORN/Greenpeace demonstrator arrested previously for causing issues in public. A public dole instigator.

Look- one man held her down while another kicked her in the head. I don't care what you label the victim- the guys who did it were modern brownshirts. If you support freedom of speech, you can mock it all you want, even eject those disrupting your meeting- but you can't publicly assault those who disagree with you without losing all credibility.

Also, a reporter was handcuffed in Alaska for wanting to ask some questions.

So under the teabaggers' rules, you can't ask questions and you can't demonstrate.

And these are supposed to be Constitution admirers?

Brown shirts type behavior?

Absolutely.

LouisJ- The left wing media has purposely put this story way out front so people like you can say really stupid stuff,like racist and bigot.You really enjoy hating don't you? How many physical attacks have Dem voters done to Rep voters? Plenty. Ive personally seen it in Detroit. But the media will NEVER post that,because they work for the Dems. Put the lies and hate away.

Excellen, Pat. Although I am troubled by the fact that classified documents were leaked, these documents provide more proof that the Bush administration lied about any and all things Iraq. And Bush's regret was not privatizing social security. I honestly do not understand how he could be so shallow. I can think of a whole list of regrets he should have such as not finishing the Afghan war, not finding Osama bin Laden, an unnecessary war based on lies, economic collapse, huge deficit spending to name a few. But Bush regrets not privatizing social security so that Wall Street could lose people's safety net money in the collapse of 2008. Great legacy Bush has, perhaps talking about privatizing social security will start building a new GOP myth to go with their myth of Reagan.

Pat Boston MA

I saw that segment last night and it left me feeling troubled. I think we all knew that there were atrocities committed in Iraq we just hoped it wasn’t so blatant.

To think that a quarter million people may have been murdered in our name just so we could say we captured Saddam Hussein is very sad indeed.

Notice the MSM is virtually ignoring this story. It is too hot to handle with all the lies and liars being exposed.

Jody and Sheila:

You see what's going on right now with Karl Rove and the money he's putting into these elections? It's the same thing as what he and the GOP and Fox Republican Propaganda did in the lead up to the invasion in Iraq.

Lies. Propaganda. They're doing it again. The ads I have seen on tv from the Chamber of Commerce are all lies. Yet people still believe in Karl Rove and I don't understand it.

That surge (which I was for btw) was nothing the way the GOP spinned it. They will lie about anything and people still don't see it for some reason.

It's all propaganda. Falsehoods. So just like they did to the lead up to Iraq, they're once again putting tons on money into ads to drown out the truth.

Karl Rove. One despicable man. He can't help but lie.

It's all he knows.

Pat, Sheila, Jody......it's time for a sequel to "Bush's Brain".

Yea. Obama did Inherit a Defict.. From the Democrat controlled Congress..

Just saw a news story this morning how your favorite Speaker of the House has Overseen 5 Trillion dollars of debt.. Way to go Democrats.. 5 Trillion Dollars all since Nancy Took over..

Steve,

You are delusional. Just last week, First Read posted this fact:

"*** Things that make you go, hmmmmm: The New York Times has this nugget: Calculations by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office and other independent fiscal experts show that the $1.1 trillion cost over the next 10 years of the Medicare prescription drug program, which the Republican-controlled Congress adopted in 2003, by itself would add more to the deficit than the combined costs of the bailout, the stimulus and the health care law."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/10/20/5321801-gop-watch-few-specifics-on-reducing-spending

You got that Steve? The Republican controlled Congress in 2003 plus President Bush is who is responsible for our record deficit.

MMMMMMKAY?

Just saw a news story this morning how your favorite Speaker of the House has Overseen 5 Trillion dollars of debt.. Way to go Democrats.. 5 Trillion Dollars all since Nancy Took over..

Sucks to have to pay for "Dubya and Dick's Excellent Adventure", doesn't it?

Hey, Nash? That figure included $800billion in TARP funds.

Most of which has been paid back.

So, if I owe you $1.2 trillion, and I pay you back $800 billion, I only owe you $400 billion- still a lot of money, to be sure.

However, if your debt, AFTER I have repaid the $800 billion, is actually up to three trillion, it means that you have spent far more than the original debt.

That is the problem with Obama. He spends and spends, and has nothing to show for it.

Nashville,

5 Trillion dollars of Debt since Nancy Pelosi took the Reigns of Congress.. i understand you continue to blame Bush. but the American people are tried of hearing Democrat Excuses and Blaming. The Facts dont bear out your misinformation..

Please Look up the "Separation of Powers act". you may learn something.

no joe:

So what you are saying is . . . President Bush and the Republican Congress screwed up our economy and created a situtation where the American people had to bail out the "corporate people".

And then, in an ironic twist, they blamed it all on President Obama, when the AMERICAN PEOPLE needed bailing out after having all their jobs shipped overseas by the same CORPORATE PEOPLE who own the Congress and the Supreme court.

Blow your smoke up someone else's arse today, I don't have time for your rationalizations and lies.

Steve,

Use your lies on someone else. I posted the facts. You just keep talking.

You are dismissed.

Da Noid..

Yea.. 5 Trillion dollars of debt since Nancy took over.. only 1.7 Trillion from 02 to 06 when the republicans controlled congress.. Keep Blaming Bush. Cause we see how well it worked for Obama and The democrats..

Come novermber 2nd you will see just what the American people think of your Blame Bush Strategy..

Nashville

These are the Facts.. and these figures dont even take into account the last 2 years.. (3 Trillion dollars by Obama and the democrats). please. keep spouting..

http://i44.tinypic.com/34g1xu1.jpg

Steve:

You are kind of slow, huh?

If these figures don't include the last 2 years, then it excludes anything done by the Obama Administration, right?

You are re-dismissed.

Nash, I'm disappointed in you.

You do understand basic arithmetic. The problem you have with my post is that you do not anyone to recognize the facts.

The bulk of the deficit Obama inherited was TARP, which has been repaid. He spent well over that amount, with nothing to show for it.

You know what, Nash? The majority of the electorate does not have time for Obama's and the democrat's nonsense.

Happy to report that NJNB is still playing an economist on FR! lol

Nashville,

Exactly.. you wish to dismiss everything Obama has done. its the usual Tactic of the Democrats..

Again.. 5 Trillion Dollars since Nancy took the Reigns of Congress.. i understand you can't dispute those facts. .so better to just ignore them and blame everything on Bush....

no joe:

Is President Obama responsible for the unfunded Medicare Prescription drug benefit that the CBO says is one of the biggest contributors to the deficit?

Is President Obama responsible for the unpaid for tax cuts too no joe? If tax cuts stimulate the economy, how did we find ourselves with the second great depression?

Why was TARP needed in the first place no joe? Something Barack Obama did?

You are full of it. You wrap your delusions in big words, but it is still a load of bull.

The results speak for themselves . . . we don't need you to 'splain it to us.

Not to mention that YOU were here just last year telling me that President Obama had tripled the deficit, which is a lie.

Those of us who know you and have been reading what you write for YEARS know that you are a master illusionist.

Like I said, I am not amazed.

"The New York Times has this nugget: Calculations by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office and other independent fiscal experts show that the $1.1 trillion cost over the next 10 years of the Medicare prescription drug program, which the Republican-controlled Congress adopted in 2003, by itself would add more to the deficit than the combined costs of the bailout, the stimulus and the health care law."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/10/20/5321801-gop-watch-few-specifics-on-reducing-spending

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The inconvenient truth that Steve and no joe are trying to distract us from.

5 Trillion dollars of Debt added since Nancy Pelosi took reigns of Congress. . 3 Trillion of that since Obama became president..

Thats the inconvenient truth you are trying to distract from....

Thanks for sharing this information, Nashville. It is important to know President Obama and democrats are the ones who are actually trying to solve this country's problems while the GOPTP sits by and complains.

Naturally, Steve is in denial. Steve, the GOP controlled the WH, and Congress from 2001 through 2006--the unfunded spending occurred during that time, IT WAS THE GOP who took the country from budget surplus to massive and unsustainable debt. You post lies because you suffer from selective memory.

Jody,,

You Deny because its all you have. . You blame Bush because yuou can't dispute facts..

The majority of the American people are Finished with the Lies and Blaming of the Obama administration and the Democrats that Control Congress..

Watch on Nov 2nd..

Wow, Steve and No joe. Nash dismissed you, hahahahaha. Im taking my ball and going home. You all have had "playmates" like that before. The same people who had to have a trophy even though they lost.

I'm impressed that Steve is actually debating.

Patrick Salt Lake City:

You are on to something!

If it isn't about Tea Party bimbos it is not newsworthy.

I do remember wall- wall coverage of the young woman (McCain supporter)who during the Presidential campaign accused a black man of carving something on her face (which turned out to be a hoax)

You're out of your mind, the liberal press doesn't cover anything unless it is advantageous to the democrats.

Dummy, the guy in back isn't supposed to help with the driving. That's why he's referred to derisively as the back seat driver - he's never helpful. The navigator sits in the front. This is not a back of the bus comment by any stretch.

I think you bring up a valid point. Political Correctness IS one way street

Great WM..

So when the American people put the Democrats in the Backseat come November 2nd. there wont be a problem..

Have a Republican say the Democrats should sit in the back of the bus/car/plane, whatever, and that evening tune in to the all the Liberal newsies/talkies and watch their heads explode.

Obama: The Community Organizer that got lucky.

hahahaha Joanna Here in Detroit my entire line would screech to a halt.

But, Union- Bill Clinton 'got some', remember?

It's always fascinates be Union Baby that the party of family values are the biggest perverts in our society!

Thanks for reminding us!

Union Baby:

You are right...it's long, but it contains really good information. People need to back up and read it.

It almost makes you wonder why it's the Dems in congress and the White House who are OVERWHELMINGLY made up of trial lawyers and why they take so much money from the trial lawyer lobbyists.

It's also strange that it's the Dems that want to overturn laws making felons eligible to vote. Why could that be?

Jeez. If I didn't have to go to work and cover for all the lazy-asses protected from termination by the union, I'd make a list of Democrat criminals. You wanna play that game? Has it come down to this for stupid MFr's like you?

Here we go: We know that virtually ALL black people are Democrats, right? So, knowing the fact that Blacks commit a HUGELY disproportionate amount of crime in this country, lets just consider ALL crimes comitted by black people to be Democrat crimes. Sounds fair.

Farley is right

The list would be just as long on the dems.....just no point in printing it all out

It almost makes you wonder why it's the Dems in congress and the White House who are OVERWHELMINGLY made up of trial lawyers and why they take so much money from the trial lawyer lobbyists.

Hmmm... Trial Lawyers versus convicted pedophiles and rapists...

Now there's an argument with some logic! *insert snark*

Hey,

or Convicted lawyers.. Bill Clinton does come to mind..

I'm sorry did I just see the wise and all knowing CU pull the ever dreaded always hated RACE CARD? Wow, you have got to be kidding me.

CU, I am unsatisfied with both parties. I am not a (D) or (R), but I do take notice when folks lie about things. Every time the (R)'s speak about "family values" it puts there values on the block to be judged by the electorate. If I say vote for me because I am a great cook, you have a right to want to taste the food.

I am not foolish I understand no one is perfect. But, when you claim to be and fall so far short you get what you deserve. In this case the (R)'s need to stop telling folks how to raise there families and actually spend time raising there own. The best way to convince people to live right, is not to tell them how to live, but to show them how to live through your actions.

Terrific post, Union Baby. Always good to remind voters of the family values guys. Perhaps they should be renamed the Grand Old Pervert party.

Naturally, the right brings up Bill Clinton; yes, he has a reputation but his indiscretions were with adults not children. Monica Lewinsky was a willing participant. The republicans tried to impeach him, remember the outrage from Gingrich, Ensign and others--Gingrich in particular because he was having his own affair while railing against Pres Clinton. Party of family values, sure it is.

Who in Congress is a CONVICTED pedophile or rapist?????????

Lady go to sleep with your whack azz comebacks.

Who in Congress is a CONVICTED pedophile or rapist?????????

Still haven't mastered reading comprehension I see...

WHERE again is the word Congress mentioned in my post?

You can make up all the sh!t you want... all it does is re-reinforce you're a certified LIAR!

union baby - think you can list democratic supporters as well? How about the links where you got the info from or was it too hard for you to cut and paste?

Dang it, I forgot, you are a union supporter and posting links is not part of the union rules for your job classification. If someone doesn't tell you what to do I imagine you would just stay in one spot all day.

feisty...."where again is the word congress mentioned in my post"

In your post........dumb@ss

It's always fascinates be Union Baby that the party of family values are the biggest perverts in our society!

Thanks for reminding us!

Hmmm... Trial Lawyers versus convicted pedophiles and rapists...

Now there's an argument with some logic! *insert snark*

Above are BOTH of my comments PR - So who's the dumb@ss?

Maybe you and ITM can sign up for some reading comprehension classes together... who knows maybe they'll take some pity on you two and give you a group discount!

In case you thought only Republicans do this kind of thing, here are just a few of their Democratic counterparts.

Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.

And on, and on, and on!

u r

Here are some more, just in case you didn't see enough from my first post.

# Gerald Steven Ackerman (b. 1956) — Democrat. Mayor of Port Huron, Mich., 1997-99; resigned 1999. Arraigned in April 1999 on 14 counts of criminal sexual conduct involving children; tried in October 1999 and convicted only of the indecent exposure charges, with the jury unable to agree on the others; sentenced to one year imprisonment; retried in May 2000 and convicted on 10 felony counts of criminal sexual conduct; sentenced to 18 to 38 years imprisonment. # William Hackel (born c.1942) — Macomb County Sheriff, 1977-2000; Democrat. charged in November 1999 of raping a 26-year-old woman at a sheriffs' convention; tried and convicted in April 2000, and sentenced to three to fifteen years in prison.

# David E. Giles (born c.1950) — of Washington. Democrat. Lawyer; candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington 8th District, 1986, 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.

Sol Wachtler — Democrat, Nassau County, Long Island, N.Y. Judge of New York Court of Appeals, 1972; chief judge of New York Court of Appeals, 1985-93. In 1993, he was sentenced to 15 months in prison for extortion in connection with his harassment of an ex-lover.

Melvin Jay Reynolds (b. 1952) — Democrat. University professor; U.S. Representative from Illinois 2nd District, 1993-95; defeated in primary, 1988, 1990; resigned 1995. Black. Baptist. Convicted in 1995 on sexual misconduct with a minor and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison. Convicted in federal court in 1997 of 15 counts of bank fraud, wire fraud, and lying to the Federal Election Commission; sentenced to 78 more months in prison.

William Jefferson Clinton (b. 1946) — Democrat. Rhodes scholar; candidate for U.S. Representative from Arkansas 3rd District, 1974; Arkansas state attorney general, 1977-79; Governor of Arkansas, 1979-81, 1983-92; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Arkansas, 1984, 2000; Speaker, 1984; President of the United States, 1993-2001; delegate to Democratic National Convention from New York, 2004, 2008. Baptist. Member, Trilateral Commission; Council on Foreign Relations; Pi Sigma Alpha; Phi Alpha Delta. On October 29, 1994, Francisco Duran fired 27 shots from the sidewalk at the White House in an apparent assassination attempt against President Clinton. Impeached by the House of Representatives in December 1998 over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with his sexual contact with a White House intern, Monica Lewinsky, but acquitted by the Senate.

# Steven Effman (b. 1950) — Democrat. Lawyer; mayor of Sunrise, Fla., 1993-96; member of Florida state house of representatives 98th District, 1997-; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Florida, 2000. Jewish. Member, B'nai B'rith. Admitted in 2003 to inappropriate relationships with three divorce clients; suspended from the practice of law for 91 days.

# James Edward McGreevey (b. 1957) — Democrat. Married 1991 to Karen Joan 'Kari' Schutz (divorced 1997); married, October 7, 2000, to Dina Matos; son of John P. McGreevey. . Member of New Jersey state house of assembly, 1990-92; delegate to Democratic National Convention from New Jersey, 2000, 2004; Governor of New Jersey, 2002-04; resigned 2004. Catholic; later Episcopalian. Irish ancestry. Gay. Announced his resignation as governor in 2004 after acknowledging a homosexual affair with his homeland security adviser.

# Eliot Laurence Spitzer (b. 1959) — Democrat. New York state attorney general, 1999-2006; defeated, 1994; delegate to Democratic National Convention from New York, 2000, 2004; Presidential Elector for New York, 2000; Governor of New York, 2007-08; resigned 2008. Resigned as Governor following disclosure that he had paid a prostitution ring for sex.

Ah Fiesty, keep those childish, schoolyard comments flying from your narrow mind. You are funnier than listening to the huffington post or those other liberal sites you get your talking points from.

You make me laugh!

Feisty Redhead,

I happened to notice that you are on blogging all day everyday. Are you employed?

I also noticed that you like to make nasty comments and condescend to anyone who disagrees with you.

You know, if any unsuspecting, undecided voter logged on and read the things you write, the last thing they would do is vote for a Democrat.

You all seem to be very childish when presented with a view that is unlike your own. Name calling, derogatory comments...do you think that appeals to anyone over 12 years old? Much less, do you think it gets them to vote to your favor? Just some food for thought.

Feisty...Let me spell out the Trial lawyer/pervert connection for you. Being a lib, it would naturally not occur to you. Pretty much ALL lawyers are Dems. Lawyers are the ones who fight tootha and nail to get and keep criminals out of prison. These criminals include child molesters and child killers of every political stripe. The sicko that raped and murdered 6 yr old Samantha Runnion in CA in 2002 had been defended sucessfully and let off a few months before , from charges of molesting two little girls. He turned the two victims into the villians and accused them of being liars. He is at least as much to blame for the Samantha's death as the filth that did it. Is there any doubt that the lawyer is a Dem?

When polled, a majority of Americans say they don't trust lawyers and view them all with contempt. I find this very funny seeing how nearly every single Dem politician is a lawyer by trade.

The Havoc you have seen Wrecked on the American People was done by the Democrats..

The Majority of the american Voters have seen Enough. Come Novermber 2nd they will show you exactly how they are feeling about the Democrats..

Houston, good post. I don't think Pres Obama has any delusions about the republicans, far from it--he knows exactly what they are. To me the bigger picture here is the stark contrast between Pres Obama and the GOP. Obama is taking the high road, urging cooperation to move the country forward, to stop gridlock, to help the people and Mitch McConnell says the GOP's most important goal is to see Pres Obama fail.

You may want to remind your nephew what will happen when the Republican TEA Baggers cut the tow truck line and the car begins its descent back down the cliff...

The Rent is Too Damned High.

LouisJ..... THREE TIMES you wrote " The Rent is Too Damned High. "

Actually you use it quite a bit, I just counted FIVE...Explain, and exactly who do you blame and why?

Just ask Jimmy McMillan... he'll explain it better than I ever could.

The Rent is Too Damned High...

Was curious, thats all, meant NO HARM, but I now see you have no idea what it means.

Westpoint...

The Rent is Too Damned High...

Ya know what, Wm?

Hillary would have been a damn sight better president than Obama.

She, at least, would have had a cabinet made up of people who knew what they were doing,rather than a bunch of ivory tower, perfect world types, who don't seem to know reality when it slaps them in the face.

Not to mention that her chief advisor would have been someone who had done the job successfully.

Instead, we got Obama, and the country will suffer for it for years.

"A damn better sight"? Does that mean what it appears to mean?

Listen chief, you can attempt to mask your disdain at anyone that is culturally different, but to publicly voice it speaks volumes about how low the Republican TEA Party will go...

With this kind of rhetoric, The Rent is Too Damned High...

NJNB,

I think LouisJ is calling you a Racist..

here let me be the one to say it..

Hillary would have been a damn sight better president than Obama..

Wonder how he is gonna explain my disdain for this Failed president... Since i am not White..

No Jo, in an earlier post you berated someone for looking at Wiki and said "talk to any college professor." Now you are condemning the "ivory tower...types." Which is it? You have never been able to explain the visceral dislike you display for our President on a daily basis -- is it something personal? Perhaps instead of all the venom you could talk about those policies of your preferred candidates (not past ones, but present ones) and how you see them working. If possible, you could mention their credentials (whether academic or not) and how that enhances or detracts from their positions.

I don't know Kate: while you ask No Jo reasonable questions, that would be asking her to get beyond personalities and into facts, which would be beyond her ken!

I cannot stand prostitute bill or hillary..............at all...........and I will even admit. I would much rather have hillary as president. At least she has some idea of whats going on.

President Obama will run in 2012 and he will win; followed by just possibly a 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign. Why? Because should the GOP become the majority, they will actually have to do something such as govern, create jobs and reduce the debt they created or they will pay the piper. The typical anti-Obama remarks from the same old bunch every day are tiresome, shallow and full of wishful thinking; and if Hillary had won in 2008, each one of them would be trashing Hillary just as they do Obama.

I'd like to agree with you Jody about that if the Republicans became the majority they would actually have to do something to govern but I think their plan would be to either force Democrats to filibuster or to pass legislation so unpalatable to the President that he had to veto it----they would then run in 2012 saying we need to control the White House in order to get anything done.

Hindsight is always 20/20. So acknowledging the cliche, in retrospect I'd have cast my lot in with Hillary over Obama and the Palin/McCain ticket.

I do not think LOUIS J has even ONE original thought.

No. But racist Baggers from the Republican TEA Party has.

With racism, Republican TEA Baggers Rent is Too Damned High...

Do you think Obama has DIVIDED THE NATION?

That's like asking if the Civil War was the fault of the slaves.

LOL

No, but I do believe the republicans are actively working on this as we speak. Just about everything they have done this last 20 months has been a very well designed attack on the middle class.

It is the republican/tea party that is on a mission of divide and conquer.

US NAVY See my post 3.12

In another world, GO ARMY, BEAT NAVY

99 percent of the people in this country could careless the color of someones skin, The Majority of us do infact judge someone on the Content of their Character and actions...

But seems we have one of the Racists here on a Daily Basis in LouisJ.. 99 percent of Everything he post he is calling someone a Rasicts..

Hey Steve-505729, I could care less about how "careless" the Republican TEA Baggers promote themselves as a racist, bigoted, intolerant party... could care less. But when you attack the integrity of the President on the basis of taking their "back", that is a call to Democrats that believe in what democracy represents, which is equality for all men.

TEA Baggers can attempt to justify their positions, but all they show is a hatred for anything of cultural difference and significance.

I'm not racist Steve-505729, I just point out the racist TEA Baggers.

The Rent is Too Damned High Steve-505729...

Steve-505729 PLEASE, look at my honestly harmless question to him above, follow 18.1 to 18.4. Just look at his response to my question, which at first,was just a simple question. HOWEVER, his NON-response is quite amazing.

AND, he even said it again " the rent is too damned high ", but he has no idea what it means. Like I ststed, I was simply curious, but much more was revealed. I'm sure he will find the post to explain the comment he has repeated over 8 times.

Let me tell you something Obama did divide the country, but not because of the color of his skin. Progressive Democrats are pissed at him(by the way I am not a Democrat, or Republican, or a progressive), he has lost the support of Progressives. I personally am a Ron Paul Libertarian. Libertarians and Progressives have somethings in common; Both wars are illegal, and our "Bill of Rights" have been trampled!! Obama is a "New Word Order Globalist", like Bush!! He could not care less about the people!!

Patrick Lee ------- I may not agree with ALL of your politics, but thank you for a very intelligent, well said post. It does bring up some things I was looking for.

Thank you.

LouisJ

You infact are the type of person that defines Racism.. All one has to do is look at everyone of your post on this Topic alone.. ALL of them and i mean Everyone of them is calling someone a Racist. You are the type of person that is the Problem..

Let me tell you that most of the Work i have done in my Life i did for Rich White people.. People that treated me with REspect . .People i am glad to call my Friends. . and people that Agree with most of the Tenants that the Tea party espouse.. I am tried of your Type of Racism.. its what really Divides this country..

Westpoint80; I call it like I see it. I don't follow CNN, Fox News, or MSNBC. As a hybrid voter, I make judgements from outside the box, looking in. But everytime I read the comments on these blogs/boards, all I see is the same crap from the right/left paradigm...It's just more of the same BS every single election cycle...People need to look at the big picture, and quit being led around by the brainwashing propaganda spewed by the campaign machinery and mainstream media!!

Steve-505729 of Sector "Let me tell you that most of the Work i have done in my Life i did for Rich White people" let me explain something to you, and it is rather simplistic... for the "Tenants" of the TEA Party, the Rent is Too Damned High...

But as to the "Tenets", they have none. I'm not trying to belittle you by no means, but to sit and defend the racist indoctrinations of the Republican TEA Party is to sit in agreement with evil.

My thoughts are with you Steve-505729...

But the Rent is Still Too Damned High...

LouisJ,

The Candidtate that is saying the Rent is 2 damn high.. Doesn't even pay Rent.. Go figure...

and i will reject your type of Racism everyday.....

Reject me Steve-505729, as someone that believes in equality and inclusion but embrace the Republican TEA Party tent of divisiveness, hatred and exclusion... not surprising.

The Rent is Too Damned High for this type of extremism Steve-505729, just too damned high...

No, President Obama has not divided the nation; he has reached out to republicans time after time but right now the republicans prefer politics to compromise; prefer power to solutions for Americans. Dividing this country was accomplished when the social issues were turned into political fodder; it was accomplished when Government was demonized and voters became convinced that all government is bad; when compromise to achieve legislation was deemed a sign of weakness. There's a whole list of reasons and none of them have a thing to do with President Obama.

and there you have it Ladies and Gentlemen.. in Jody's mind people are not smart enough to make up their own minds. you are way to stupid to understand that only what the democrats tell you is truth.. anyone that Disagrees with the Democrats and President must be STupid because you are not smart enough to make up your own mind based on the evidence of the Economy and the state of this country. .

Yes.. People President Obama hasnt been on TV blaming everything on Bush, err. Boehner.. er. The tea party .. ER.. Angry voters.. errrr.. The republicans.. Yea we dont make our Decisions based on what we hear coming out of this failed presidents mouth. We make our Decision only based on Hated of the man in the white house because he doen'st have the same color skin as me.......... Oh.. wait. he does have the same color skin as me... Hmmmmmmmmm

.Jody, Iowa

There's a whole list of reasons and none of them have a thing to do with President Obama.

Now that is one intelligent remark. The MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE FREE WORLD, has nothing to do our Goverments problems. HaHaHaHa

You guys actually think LOUIS J even pays rent??????

Obama can be categorized as the Great Divider, yes. He's quoted as reaching out to the other side often, but any Republican ideas are not included in the Democratic Party programs.

If you listen to his speeches, he's constantly critizing the GOP ideals, their thoughts while continually throwing them under the bus to present a favorable image of Obama.

Now the media is spinning how Obama may turn to the center and govern with the Republican Party, but it will not happen. Obama will live or die with his agenda, moving the nation farther to the left.

On the latino network he recently told Republicans to either buy into his government or move to the back of the bus. A comment that can be considered racist.

Who is this guy going to blame if the Republicans gain more seats in the House and Senate? Bush? Biden? Hillary? You can bet it won't be Obama.