Wrapping up Obama's Friday on the trail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXwlsnzsmA

Proud repub--The WHOLE republican party has 32 Blacks, 6 Latinos, and 4 Asians.......

1 vote

#2.5 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:18 AM EDT

Beverly in Chicago

jacqlyn

Proud repub--The WHOLE republican party has 32 Blacks, 6 Latinos, and 4 Asians....

That's because their tent is irrelevant and not big enough for minorities. Just ask Michael Steele. David Gregory just exposed on MTP Michael Steele's irrelevancy.

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Any Thing Too Add

10,000 Plus, showed up for the President and the Democrats in Portland, Oregon

• 10,000 Plus, showed up for the President and the Democrats in Seattle, WA

• 18,000 Plus, showed up for the President and the Democrats in Philadelphia

• 26,000 Plus, showed up for the President and the Democrats in Madison, WI

• 36,000 Plus, showed up for the President and the Democrats in Ohio-OSU-Friends

• 37,000 Plus, showed up for the President and the Democrats at U S C ..."Inch by inch, day by day, week by week, we’ve been grinding it out," he said. "Because that’s the nature of change in a big, complex democracy."

Sarah Palin drawing 2,000 People in Anaheim is better Live Coverage...

2. Enthusiasm Gap is a Better Story

Or the Real Untold Story

3. Karl Rove and The Republican Chamber of Commerce Donations are The Medias'Secret and Foreign Revenue.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/22/912808/-Media-Blackout-of-President-Obamas-Rallies

I read your post and was happy at your exposure of the Media bias or omissions. I Thank You and all other posting here should thank you for your thuth-i-ness.

Sarah Palin can not put together a coherent thought. Everything she shrieks in her hysterical shills is lacking any obvious character or intelligence. How anyone can believe that this halfwit is in any way qualified to lead? It should be obvious by now the big corporations are paying the major news outlets to dupe the public into thinking the President's message is out of touch and does not resonate with Americans. That includes MSNBC. Look at how Chris Matthews elevates all the GOPTP talking points. He is even being used in an attack ad against Alexi Giannoulias here in Illinois. This is not only offensive but it is also misleading. Alexi Giannoulias donated the money to charity.

We'LL do better than conventional NUMBERS projected from the hype of the GOPTP; maybe even in the House.

And yes from those types of turn out the President does connect much more and better than Sarah. The media really needs to stop tout misleading contexts.

Again,

Thank you Any Thing Too Add for your telling it like it is. That would be the truth.

Why doesn’t Kirk talk about his taxes? Congressman Mark Kirk deserves to be asked about the more than $35,000 that have remained in his pocket thanks to the tax code. At least Alexi did; something the GOPTP omits in their add touting Chris Matthew’s voice.

http://www.progressillinois.com/posts/content/2010/07/07/flashback-kirk-and-his-35000-tax-break

2 votes

#2.6 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:19 PM EDT

There you have it folks, the above two comments represent the mentality of those who most likly will be making decissions for our nation's near future. I hope that those of you who are still on the fence consider that jobs for the majoriety of workers is the issue. Not supporting policy that outsources US jobs and playing the race card, I hope that everyone who actually cares about this country's future is thinking.

14 votes

#3 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:58 AM EDT

Obama says jobs are the number one priority, then spends his efforts on health care. Obama says health care reform will bend the cost curve then later laughs and says you can't add millions and it not cost anything. Obama talks about shovel ready jobs, America gives him the money then Obama says there's no such thing as shovel ready jobs.

Funny, Obama doesn't even really talk that much about jobs, except when he's campaigning or has an opportunity to put the other guys down as in the case with the Chamber of Commerce.

Obama was going to create all these jobs, summer of recovery. Obama has had major majorities, yet unemployment has been at 9.6 for over a year. Now he talks about the jobs not ever returning.

And Clinton says the GOP counts on people not paying attention.

8 votes

#3.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT

Bob

Since the the best the demos are going to get is a tie and Obama will still have veto power, would't it be nice for the nation if the moderates from both parties decided to comprimise and start figuring out HOW the jobs are going to be created. With outsourcing and lack of money being loosened up for start ups, I am concerned that there are no decent jobs to be created.

As far as health care goes, I don't think that fighing for health care for profit is a good idea. Especially since I am still smating from my 401K dump from last year. Here again comprimse would be good. However, I know that the working class families out there need affordable healthcare.

2 votes

#3.2 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:24 PM EDT

Hi Jennifer,

Obama was graded the most liberal senator in 2007. He campaigned as a centrist, bipartisan, no red state/blue state outsider. He got elected and all pretense was tossed in the toilet and flushed. He is the most polarizing president in Gallup history. There is nothing moderate about Obama. He is extreme, hence the warranted and predictable extreme reaction such as the Tea Party.

Compromise? Everyone loved Obama's utopian promises about health care. It was lie and Obama pursued the extreme health care the majority of Americans strongly disliked. He lost his super majority when Brown was elected to replace Kennedy. This election was all about, and a referendum on, Obama's health care. What did Obama do? Did he soften, did he listen to the voters, the polls, did he compromise one thing? He doubled down and arm twisted, bought, bribed and pulled every Washington/Chicago political trick to ram it through. He is a narcissist who thinks he can sell America whatever he wants, he just has to "do a better job of explaining it to us". 58 speeches later, the/his greatest liberal achievement since FDR's Great Society and no dems are talking about it except those who are against it. Have you heard him soften, have you heard the liberal candidates talk about softening anything.

Same thing with jobs. Obama knows what he is doing and won't back off his agenda. Big government, big unions and big business do not create the jobs needed. But who has been taken care of with all the stimulus and bailouts? Big unions and big business. What sector has actually grown? Big government. Unemployment stuck over 9% for over a year. The sector that creates jobs and grows the economy? Small business. What has Obama done for small business? More importantly, what has he done to small business. Health care cost for them going off the chart, taxes and every kind of cost going up, more and more regulations, the EPA going nuts on them, Salazar killing the energy industry, on and on. Obama is at war with small business. Look at the Chamber of Commerce stuff, that's small business. Outsourcing? Why do you think they have to outsource? Do the countries they are outsourcing to have all the economic turmoil, heavy handed governmental interference, regulations, taxes, etc., etc. Small business (and large corporations) can't afford to do business in Obama's America.

Presidents need to understand that it is not about them, it is about the country. I doubt any president has ever before had less understanding and contempt of this concept. It is all about Obama and all about his liberal agenda. America is not liberal, and socialistic agendas are the antithesis of what built this great country.

Obama talks about the dreams of his Kenyan, anti-colonialist father who met his mother in a Russian studies class in Hawaii. I prefer the dreams of our fathers and more importantly - our founding fathers.

Big difference in those dreams and visions. Obama won't compromise.

Thanks for your comments Jennifer and sorry if this was a rant.

7 votes

#3.3 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:54 PM EDT

Bob,

Excellent posts. You said it all very well.

1 vote

#3.4 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:51 PM EDT

Da Noid

Bob,

Any candidate the Democrats put up in 2008 would have been graded the most liberal whatever.

We do not believe this to be a coincidence.

1 vote

#3.5 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:03 PM EDT

Da Noid,

The National Journal grades all the senators, both ways, based on their actual votes. I guess it's probably a "coincidence" Gallup has him as the most polarizing president ever too?

Hi Candice,

My FR snark/patience conscience was bothering about a couple of other post (as you can see from below), and darn it Candice saw it. I had a recent bout with sanity and took some time off. Thought it might help, but still work to be done. I still look for your stuff. I really enjoyed your exchange with Paul the other day. Paul and I had an epic snark off months ago. I like Paul.

Nice talking to you Candice. See ya in the (FR) "funnies."

1 vote

#3.6 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:10 PM EDT

I have been gone all day and actually have a life outside this blog. I just read the above and all I can say is that Obama is Liberal, I too am a liberal. I think I am right and so guys do all the republicans and democrats in congress and every republican and democrat out there. So, the point that I have been trying to make is our country cannot go forward unless we come to place where we can agree to do things that are necessary for the common good. It is not going to be easy because all of us are stuck in our own ideology. If congress is not taken over by one side or the other, where the winning side can jam their views down the throats of the other and it is close to being evenly divided, will anything ever get accomplished? Some people think that nothing getting accomplished is good because congress only makes things worse. Normally they might be right. However, the times that we are experiencing now, I believe are far more percarious than normal times. We need to put our "my way or the hightway" attitudes aside and start thinking about solutions to our mutual problems. I believe that there are not enough jobs being created and that the creating of new jobs will not be easy in the environment we are living in. I also believe that everyone needs affordable health care. I am sure that there are many more problems, such as eduction for our youth so that we can compete . those are a few but the job situation is the most important one right now. I don't like what the supreme court did and a whole lot of more things that I consider dirty tricks by the repub. You repubs don't the demos dirty tricks. I bet we can all agree that loosing one's home, one's dignaty and not feeling good about your future is something we all would not want to see happen but that is what is happening to more and more of our citizens. We could sit how and make a check list of who did what and who was worse but we would only be wasting time. We are all Americans and I think we need to see each other that way. In other words, I am trying to light a fire under our collective asses becasue we are wasting valuable time. Okay I am going to bed, goodnight.

2 votes

#3.7 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:57 AM EDT

Jennifer,

Job Creation? Candice raised the perfect point/issue in her post #4.10.

Think about it this way. If you pull the Texas employment numbers out of the national employment numbers, Govenor Good Hair Perry in Texas has created as many jobs in Texas as President Obama has created in the entire US.

Liberal Obama is notable for spending a trillion in a a government directed ecocnomy. Conservative Perry leaves business alone and is notable for shooting a coyote trying to eat his puppy while jogging.

I expanded a little on Candice's post in #4.13 by comparing the two states with the biggest economies - liberal California vs. Conservative Texas.

Obama's liberal agenda will bankrupt the US the same way the liberal agenda has bankrupted California.

Two models economic models to choose from Jennifer.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.

The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.

- Winston Churchill

Liberals choose misery.

3 votes

#3.8 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT

Didn't he do it with Obama's stimulus money?

#3.9 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:10 PM EDT

proud republican-1888838

So when I act like, or say things that the libs say on here day after day, I get insulted.

Folks, believe Jennifer, she is right. I hope you people still on the fence consider the party that is talking about JOBS, not playing the race card and the blame game.

That would be the Republicans.

4 votes

#4 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:06 AM EDT

Wow if your so offended why are you on this site no one wants to read your hate unimformed low life statements, they have no value ,no answers, its just the same old crap! Go back to fake new and listen to their bull**** and stay off this post!

7 votes

#4.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:50 AM EDT

proud republican-1888838

Do I even need to reply......hamletrules is proving my point.

4 votes

#4.2 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:27 PM EDT

Sarcastic and pithy all at the same time,wow didn't know you had it in you

2 votes

#4.3 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:34 PM EDT

Heartlight3

Proud Republican - Talking about jobs is easy. Anyone can do it. I hear a lot of talk, but don't see much action. I want to see evidence. I have yet to hear the Republicans state anything other than cutting taxes as their plan for HOW they plan to create jobs. The last time they were in charge, not so many jobs were created. During the first 20 months of Obama's term, more jobs have been created than during Bush's entire term. Cutting taxes does not create jobs, so what else do you have?

2 votes

#4.4 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:41 PM EDT

Heartlight3,

January 2001 – October 2007 4.8 million jobs created.

November 2007 - December 2008: 2 million jobs lost.

Net jobs created under Bush: 2,866,000

Jobs created under the first 20 months of Obama's term: something like 600,000

President Obama claims to have saved or created over 3 million jobs. Of this 3 million - 600,000 were actually created. The "saved" numbers are conjecture.

Cutting taxes does create jobs. So does ceasing the threat of overpowering regulation; supporting business rather than villianizing them, and focusing on job creation instead of subsidies.

3 votes

#4.5 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:28 PM EDT

"Cutting taxes does create jobs." In China.

#4.6 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:04 PM EDT

Interesting numbers.

2 million jobs lost in 1 year vs 600000 created in 20 months. Which would be most beneficial to the public and the overall economy?

The saved jobs might be conjecture but if we are no longer loosing 2 million jobs a year there must be some validation.

The job losses in the latter part of 2008 was about 700000 a month. So where are we now? First you slow the bleeding, then you stop the bleeding, then you start to heal. Takes time. But if every two years you pick the scab off you'll never stop the flow and never heal the wound.

1 vote

#4.7 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:18 PM EDT

correction, 50000 lost in both nov and dec of 2008

#4.8 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:24 PM EDT

The saved jobs might be conjecture but if we are no longer loosing 2 million jobs a year there must be some validation.

Let’s say you have a bucket full of water and the bucket has a leak. Then one day, the bucket stops leaking. Does that mean you fixed the leak or does it mean the bucket is empty?

Demand for goods and services dried up in the recession. No demand – no production – no need for employees = lay offs. Producers of goods and services have found that they can operate just fine with current demand without excess employees. Until demand returns, unemployment will stay at current levels. I’ll argue policy didn’t necessarily stop the bleeding. Policy has not yet created increased demand.

3 votes

#4.9 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:11 PM EDT

Speaking of job creation, from the Washington Examiner, October 18, 2010, Headline: Over half the new jobs created were created in Texas.

"According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 214,000 net new jobs were created in the United States from August 2009 to August 2010. Texas created 119,000 jobs during the same period. If every state in the country had performed as well, we’d have created about 1.5 million jobs nationally during the past year, and maybe “stimulus” wouldn’t be such a dirty word.

What does Austin know that Washington doesn’t? At its simplest: Don’t overtax and -spend, keep regulations to a minimum, avoid letting unions and trial lawyers run riot, and display an enormous neon sign saying, “Open for Business.”"

Interesting.

3 votes

#4.10 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:25 PM EDT

newdayDAWNING10

Wait, Candice, don't you keep telling all of us how non partisan you are?

1 vote

#4.11 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:40 PM EDT

Hello, Newday.

Heartlight is a bit misinformed about the numbers and also asked a question. Just sharing some thoughts on policy and economics and correcting Heartlight's numbers.

Would you like to share an idea on policy we can talk about?

1 vote

#4.12 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:37 AM EDT

California / Texas? or Liberalism / Conservatism?

California seems to have everything. From the beautiful Pacific Coast to the Sierra Nevada Mountains; the magnificent Redwood forests to the Mojave Desert; from the highest point (Mt. Whitney) in the contiguous US to the lowest (Death Valley). In the middle of this, Central Valley, one of the most productive agricultural areas in the world. Beaches, great weather, on and on. Center of the entertainment industry, tourism, aerospace, international trade and commerce, information technology, petroleum, green industries, on and on.

California was the American Dream, what company would not want to relocate there? What individual would not love living in California? Yet, companies are fleeing. 100,000 people a year leaving. Unemployment at 12.5%.

Texas?

Unemployment at 8%. Most Fortune 500 companies in the US? New York, or California? Nope - Texas. Growth? 150,000 move to Texas every year. According to the Brookings Institute and Forbes America's top 5 job creating cities? All five in Texas. Milken Institute's Best Performing Cities Index? 11 out of the top 25 are in Texas.

Not too long ago, only 5 nations in the world had a GDP greater than California's GSP. Now, there are 9. And now, Texas is right behind with a GSP equal to India and Canada's GDP.

Liberalism vs. conservatism?

Texas is not California and .....

Texas is not liberal.

4 votes

#4.13 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:13 AM EDT

Name one republican and his/her idea for creating jobs. Angles told YOU that it is NOT her job, to bring jobs to Nevada, if she were to become senator. Remember they all voted NO on 16 bills to create jobs. And they all for outsourcing of American jobs.......

2 votes

#4.14 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:42 AM EDT

newdayDAWNING10

Actually, Candice, I keep waiting for you to be more honest about your own partisanship. Heartlight is only wrong if you are an anti-Growth Republican.

2 votes

#4.15 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:15 AM EDT

Jacqlyn -

The Republicans support the President’s National Export Initiative which seeks to increase US exports and create jobs.

The Republicans support eliminating dual taxation of American made exports and placing an equal tax on foreign imports to make American goods more competitive overseas.

The Republicans support finalizing trade agreements with Columbia, Panama and South Korea that are current hanging in limbo. Companies like Caterpillar and Cargill believe these agreements would expand their business opportunities and expanding businesses require more workers which results in job creation.

The Republicans support cutting the corporate tax rate. Having the highest corporate tax rate in the world encourages businesses to move operations overseas. Reducing the tax rate makes it more attractive to keep operations here.

________________

Newday --- you're so silly.

#4.16 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:39 AM EDT

Candice- To support an issue is one thing, to vote for it is another. (1)The republicans supported a deficit commission, Pres. Obama agreed they voted NO. (2) repubs. supported pay as you go for budgeting, Pres. Obama agreed they voted NO. (3) they supported the bank bailout done by Bush, but now they say it's Pres. Obama fault. (4) They supported Bushs' policy on trying terrorist in public courts, Pres. Obama agreed, they UNSUPPORTED that policy. (5) repubs. were in support of cap and trade, Pres. Obama agreed, now they say science is not true. (But when the weatherman tells them to get their umbrellas, they get them).....Why don't you google your Republican HERO'S and see them smiling and grinning while passing out checks that come from STIMULUS FUNDS. Check out them PRAISING stimulus funds in their local newpapers.(but they tell YOU it isn't working) There is also pictures of them receiving government run healthcarethat YOUR tax dollars pay for.(but no healthcare for you) You've never heard any republican say the words MIDDLE CLASS or INFRASTRUCTURE...........

1 vote

#4.17 - Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:53 AM EDT

Proud Republican

That is why I am sure you support Clarence Thoma' recent vote and the Chamber of Commerce stand on outsourcing the US jobs. You go Proud, you must be highly invested in multi-national corporations.

2 votes

#5 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:15 AM EDT

NotBuyingThis

I seem to remember him doing all this to get elected...we fell for it once.... and he sold out to the major corporation's and we got watered down everything ...

I no longer trust the dems or the republicans to deliver anything !

1 vote

#6 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:02 AM EDT

So you are pissed, because the half white president didn't fix all the problems in 2 days, that the whole white president left after 8yrs. You obviously didn't vote for the right reasons in the beginning........

2 votes

#6.1 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:04 AM EDT

Paul-Florida

LOL, MSNBC play book there eh jacqlyn? Disagree with Obama you throw race into it. pssssss..........it's getting old and keep throwing the card out and you Democrats will lose the Indepentents like you're seeing now.

I for one looked at all the canidates in 2008 and Obama was/is the most Liberal person in the race. He promised a lot and delivered nothing the majority of Americans wanted.

We'll see on November 2nd whether the people are sick of his policies. I for one in Florida will not support any canidates that supports Obama's agenda. So in your opinion you probably think I'm a racist? No, I don't like his policies and I don't want to see what my pay check will look like on January 15th.

1 vote

#6.2 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:15 AM EDT

LiberalLibrarian

I'm so sick of the "baby/bully" tactics of the Republican Party. I hate to break it to the republicans but their party was hijacked by the Tea Party predominated by racist, reactionary, anti-intellectuals who are padded up and pushed on the field by the few billionaires and corporations that want to feed the frenzy.

Jobs? If you vote Republican you will be sorely disappointed. If you don't vote at all, then you will be allowing Republican (Tea Party) to win. Come on-- for years we've known that the R's do not care about jobs, or help, or regulations of any kind. Has this been helpful--the pigs at the trough think so, but us in the rank and file? No. No. No.

Yesterday, my brother went to see the rally. (He's white by the way.)There were people of all colors, heights, ages... even some Buddhist monks in their robes (in the rain...). The crowd was helpful, awesome, polite and happy (except some punks who crashed the party only to stand there and insult all the women around them by saying "I'd **** her" until my brother and several other men said to shut up in no uncertain terms. Then they left.

Man up? Forget about Man Up crap. Just do some thinking for a change.

Oh, too late. Democrats! You have just one teeny little thing to do so that these crooks and liars of the same Cheney/Rumsfield ilk do not get into power again.

Vote. Vote. Vote. Do it.

7 votes

#7 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:04 AM EDT

Racist, Reactionary, Anti-Intellectual Pigs at the Trough....

Ahh...the sweet vox populi of liberal enlightenment.

Although your dyseptic disposition appears somewhat discordant to the Saturday morning cartoons , your cartoonish posting is kinda funny.

It's funny that in the last Gallup I saw, 42% of Americans identify themselves as conservative, 38% of Americans identify themselves as independant and 20% as liberal (interestingly - about the same % of Americans that believe aliens from outer space have visited Earth).

Anyway, the liberal loathing and contempt of the porcine conservative population is obvious and acknowledged. In consideration of the NPR's treatment of one Juan's opprobrium and the FR liberal comments yesterday regarding Fox's lycanthrophic transformation of the wayward liberal Williams, it appears liberals posses scant affinity/acceptance for even independants.

Liberals talk about how much they care about this country and love this country, yet they hate 42% of the people and don't like another 38% of the people of this country.

Kinda funny how that works.

BTW - By all means, get out and vote. Any football fan will tell you 42-13 looks better than 42-10.

6 votes

#7.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:33 PM EDT

Actually Liberal Librarian is spot on. And it would do all you Teapublican some good to smarten up, this is a secular nation and will remain that way regardless of the rightwing Sky god fantasy you pretend to be moral with.

4 votes

#7.2 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:40 PM EDT

Huhrules,

Huh?

#7.3 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:00 PM EDT

http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/sign-the-petition/

AnaBanana-1782128

Vote Republican folks and let's get our finances straight. They are fiscally responsible.

Vote Republican…Let's borrow $4 Trillion from China for tax breaks for wealthy folks.
Vote Republican….They create Jobs….in China.
Vote Republican…. End a woman's right to choose even when raped by her father at age 12.
Vote Republican….End Health care for all so 144,000 can continue dying each year.
Vote Republican….They are popular in the Midwest and South and they are very fiscally responsible states…The federal government keep them all afloat because they know how to avoid taxes.
Lastly we need to vote Republican folks because we need to enslave people once again. It is the fiscally responsible thing to do.

So remember folks….Vote

6 votes

#8 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT

NotBuyingThis

Let's hope Angle doesn't win in Las Vegas ..already the Asian and Latino and Canadian reservations are being cancelled as i speak ...She is bad for business in Las Vegas

We thrive on tourists and this psychopath insults them ...

WE welcome the Asian and Latino and Canadian visitors with open arms in Las Vegas .

4 votes

#9 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:33 AM EDT

Paul-Florida

Didn't Obama tell Americans twice not to go to Vegas?

1 vote

#9.1 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:20 AM EDT

Sheeple Hearder

Hopefully his "campaign trail" runs off the highest cliff on the planet with no hope of survival....

Sign the petition to IMPEACH Obama now:

Also keep a very close eye on this FILTHY CREEP at:

http://www.exposeobama.com/

IMPEACH OBAMA AND PELOSI NOW !!!!!

2 votes

#10 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:38 AM EDT

Not buying this.

Don't forget the Californians who can go to the Indian Casinos in Calfornia. We really do not want Nevada to send Angle to Congress.

3 votes

#11 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:43 AM EDT

LiberalLibrarian

Sheeple Hearder I guess your Screen name says it all!

2 votes

#12 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:44 AM EDT

NotBuyingThis

Let's hope Angle doesn't win in Las Vegas already the Asian and Latino/Canadian reservations are being cancelled as i speak ...She is bad for business in Las Vegas !

We thrive on tourists and this psychopath insults them ...

WE welcome the Asian & Latino &Canadian visitors with open arms in Las Vegas .

#13 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:44 AM EDT

Midterm2010

You thrive on tourist? Then why did Obama tell millions of tourist not once, but twice not to spend their money in Vegas? We cancelled our trip there, and went to Arizona instead. Spent about $4,000. Yes we can!

5 votes

#13.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:21 PM EDT

JuvenBachan

Oblaba is the 5th Horseman of the Collapsed American Economy riding his horse

and waving his Shovel

2 votes

#14 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT

June, Fl

Open day for Republican trashing we see.

We the Americian people are very aware of how we got to this place.

Republicans

Drove this country into the Ditch,

After which they

Sat back in Washington took their marbles and went home

Refused to participate in the process while Families continued to loose jobs, homes, slept in cars with their kids, shelters

While Republicans took your money and mine because we pay their Checks not the rich because the Rich pay very little taxes

Sang a Chourus of "NO"

Didn't care how much families were suffering "Refused" to support any legislation that would help Struggling Americian Families

To make sure they get re-elected for doing absolutely nothing

I am an independent and believe me I am fired up!

You nor I could sit on our jobs and do nothing and not get fired.

Now Republicans want us to reward them for taking our hard earned money for sitting for almost 2 years in congress playing "Hooky" what appears to be in the name of regainig "Power"

Republicans are supported by Wallstreet, and other RIch Organizations who are looking to turn this country into where we came from

Why didn't they earn their money and represent the prople

WHy did Republicans sit simply sit back and really acted very disrespectful to the entire process

Why did Republican "Block & Tackle" every legislation and "BLOCK" the Nominees for Key positions in our government

Republicans say that Government is Too Big and it's the cause of all our problem yet

All these Republican who say they hate Big GOvernment are Running to get a "Big Paycheck from the Government (you and me)

Why work for something you say you hate

That' right folk that's been their "Motto" Hate BIg GOvernment

When Republicans had the chance for the last 8 years they managed to cause the worst near Depression in this country since the great depression

Now all we hear is making Old Folk work longer to get Social Security

Cutting Social Security as Paul Ryan their star player says continually

Yet these folk in congress don't have Social Security they have different funding set up for them and their families that they will get for the rest of their lives even after serving just one year.

It just amazes me that Americans are not aware that the Retirement Fund for Congress is not Social Security, they have a completely different program and it's much richer

So cutting Social Security or increasing the age for Old people to worklonger further endangering their health is of no consequences.

Ask your self

Would you give your money away to someone who did nothing to earn it?

Well that's what the Republican party has done

Absolutely Nothing

Rhetoric, Distractions, now we have the Extremeists

Engle says she will do away with Education, Social Security, Perhaps Medicare

American had better pay attention

Expect the same of these folk in office or running for office that you expect of yourself

No Free Passes

Get the information for your self there are may "Fact Check
on the web

Stop fearing and being afraid, Christians and religious folk should know better.

Chris Matthews and Chuck Todd have talk about how unpopular Harry Reid is but he's tied or winning in Nevada. They talked about him and his debate tactics yet both know that Sharon ENgle does not meet the expectation of the Ameircan people since she continues to voice that she will get rid of the very programs that Americans need

this is about "Peoples Lives and their Families" not Politics

THe result of these election will directly affect Struggling Families"

You have jobs big homes, don't do anything that will impact the lives of hurting American families.

Most important those of us praying for the right thing are winning!

4 votes

#15 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:31 PM EDT

Midterm2010

Harry Reid is behind by 2 points now. He will lose by 5 point on November 2nd. This election is about punishing the incumbents who have failed to do their jobs. Nevada is in the worse shape of all 57 states. Harry Reid has been there as a carrer politician for 30 years. He is responcible, period. It's the economy ....... Well, you know how the saying goes.

2 votes

#15.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:18 PM EDT

Heartlight3

The problem is that you will not be "punishing incumbents", they'll be fine. What you will really be doing is punishing the American middle class. I guess, that's okay, if that's what you want. If that is not what you want, don't put people who hate the government in charge of running the government. It will be a disaster for anyone but the rich.

2 votes

#15.2 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:50 PM EDT

no joe, no bo, nj

June, you are supposed to use the talking points in YOUR OWN WORDS.

Once again, you simply retype them and post them here.

It is called plagiarism. You should have learned about it in fourth grade when you did your first book report.

#15.3 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:40 AM EDT

newdayDAWNING10

Yep, June, I think that pretty well sums it up.

#15.4 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:17 AM EDT

Paul-Florida

Midterm,

Don't forget Harry saved the World!!!

#15.5 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:24 AM EDT

June, Fl

Did it ever occur to just one person to consider that just maybe the Republicans and Williams “Set Up” NPR?

I find it odd that Williams’ New FOX News Contract reported to be $2 Million Dollars appeared to be “inked” within hours of his firing from NPR?

We have seen this Play before with the housing folk who registered the poor as soon as the Republicans pounced on them the Dems included immediately “withdrew their funding without any investigation and the investigation proved that it was all lies.

Most important if someone one had said that about Juan Williams being a Black Man that every time they saw a Black Man they feared him and were afraid all hell would have broke loose.

Williams being Black being a part of the Black community although you would not know it by his Republican views against his own people knows the struggles Blacks in this country have endured in this country. Try catching a cab even today as we constantly see on TV.

Chris Matthews and Gene Robinson defended Williams “Wrongly” Michelle the woman on the show gave the Black Man example and really got it but then caved because of Matthews and Robinson’s views

If someone had said that about Black Men as they have in this country for so many years and especially if it had been said about Eugene Robinson he would be screaming from the roof tops.

I just don’t understand how anyone in the Black Community could agree with Williams. This turn of events is surprising nearly unbelievable.

No one in this country should be afraid if so they should check out their “religious beliefs”

Because it constantly amazes me how all of these “So Called” Christians and people of faith keep telling us they are Afraid of so many thing and people.

Perhaps they are not as Christian as they believe, because if they were and truly believed the word, they would not be afraid.

This country Prides’ itself on Christianity and Religion, yet when anything happens they use “Fear” to get Americans to push their “Agenda”

Maybe just maybe one day Americans who fall under this “Spell” will actually wake up!

Finally Williams should have been fired, what he said is demeaning to the Muslins and more importantly he’s wrote books defending those exact words being said about his own ethnic group. So since Mr. William didn’t get it after constantly claiming to be a “Civil Rights Leader” which he’s not, since it only matters when it suits him, for him and those supporting him they really don’t understand after all these years that demeaning any ethnic group or religion is just Plain Wrong!

Once again Matthews is on the wrong side of the issue apparently defending what he appeared to call his “Colleague”

Just think Fox immediately gave Williams a $2 Million Dollar Contract within hours less than a day of his firing

Doesn’t that make you wonder if this was a “Set Up Against NPR” another so called “Liberal Target” the right want to get rid of?

This story went off like a rocket, Mr. Williams recovered with a $2 Million Dollar Contract as reported by the media

One has to think is this really a coincidence?

It’s also ironic that Williams is referred to as a Civil Right Leader or Icon yet his community doesn’t appear to see him in the same light? May were surprised to hear that term describing Williams

1 vote

#16 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:37 PM EDT

Midterm2010

Clearly you are trying to discredit Mr. Williams stellar record of decades of working for the civil rights movement in this country. Saying he is participating in a conspiricy with Fox News, to intentioinally get fired by NPR is frankly unbelievable at best. Attacking his Christian beliefs, or anyones religious beliefs, is the same as NPR saying he is mentally ill. Slanderous, and unsubstanciated desparate attemps by the progressives, don't change the facts, and won't help them on November 2nd. BTW June, have you seen the latests pools in the Florida Senate race? Rubio is ahead by 15 points now. Just trying to bring the discussion here back on point.

3 votes

#16.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:07 PM EDT

Indy Lib

Juan Williams has been a solid, steady voice for liberal philosophy for a long time. The problem is that he has not necessarily toed the democrat line. True independent liberal thought is often at odds with centrist democrat BS.

1 vote

#16.2 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:46 PM EDT

JuvenBachan

Well, I don't know but for all that we went through the last two years of failed

Oblabanomics and all that tomfoolery, lies and deceitfulness from the Oblaba , I

doubt whether Americans will vote for the Dems. The 5th Horseman has been

gallivanting across the country on his high horse trying to appear that he had

done an honest day's work. His record for the last two years is an abject failure

and has brought the American Economy to its knees. He has been riding across

this great American landscape waving his Shovel which represent the lies of the

shovel ready jobs. Thus, millions of Americans are out of work, lost homes,

trillions in deficit, American nationality in the dust, American exceptionalism a

mockery and American Appeasement in foreign policies. So I would say that the

5th Horseman who has ridden all the way from Kenya to take over this great

Nation and brought it down to its present weakness of misery and dishonesty

and lies and an abuse of power of the highest office of the land. This 5th

Horseman considers the Whitehouse as the Whiteman's House and refuse to

stay in it not much than a few minutes. I am calling on all Americans to defeat the

5th Horseman of the Collapsed American Economy and his followers.

1 vote

#17 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:01 PM EDT

JuvanBuchan

I hate to even reply to you but I am sick and tired of you bat crazy fools calling President Obama Hitler, even in you stupid code language. You might consider that you are degrading your country to the world while you are throwing your crap at the president.

4 votes

#17.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:57 PM EDT

To say that if I vote for someone other than who you vote for, I am Un-American. That is itself Un-American. As to the assertion that President Obama has brought the economy to its knees, if you take the time to read the available information in almost any venue the economy has stopped its downward spiral. Admittedly, some indicators have not turned upward, but that takes time. Not even the Republicans are saying this can be fixed in a short time.

If you have a different opinion that's fine, just keep the conversation civilized.

To your assertion that OUR president is not an American, not even the biggest mouth breathers on Fox believe that anymore. And as for the shovel reference, you may need that to dig out of the "stuff" you sling.

2 votes

#17.2 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:23 PM EDT

June, Fl

FLASHBACK: Williams Decried Racism Of Jewelry Store Owners Who Wouldn't Let In Black Men

Juan, you probably remember in 1986 when the Washington Post Magazine ran a Richard Cohen column defending jewelry store owners who wouldn't buzz in young black men. It caused such a big controversy that the New Republic ran a bunch of responses to it, including one by you. You might find it interesting to go back and read what you wrote then -- for instance, "Racism is a lazy man's substitute for using good judgment... Common sense becomes racism when skin color becomes a formula for figuring out who is a danger to me."

Amazing how Mr. Williams decried a problem when the same thing happened to someone of his Ethnic background

Just means don't do such a labelling and Classification of anyone

Williams was wrong yet when it happened to someone Black he decried racism.

He simply can't have it both ways

This labelling and Class is not what our country is about not after having faced this awful demeaning of others in our past.

1 vote

#18 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:13 PM EDT

Jim III

Once again I am amazed by the content and bickering of the writings on this page. It seems if everyone would discuss the issues rationally there would be real progress. Democrat and or Republican, what you have to look at is the makeup of the congress under each President. During Clinton’s presidency he had a Republican congress and with his diplomacy and veto power it was a positive term. Under Bush he had a Democratic congress but was not the statesman that Clinton was so the party problem was exacerbated. The problem is not with either party but with both. When either one has total control the power goes to their heads and they push through ideas that are what they perceive as good for the masses with no concern to what we really want. The system was devised to have checks and balances. Career and Politician should never go together. We need to ask ourselves why most members of congress are millionaires. Two of the richest were Ted Kennedy and Rockefeller both Democrats. What does either of these parties of millionaires have in common with most of us working people?

#19 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:26 PM EDT

Jim lll

I agree with you and I am sorry I called someone a bat crazy fool but that 5th horseman crap is code for Hitler. Anyway, I hope that the empass that comes from no party having complete control will force the moderates in congress to compromise because the jobs really are not out there and the middle class is suffering.

#19.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:44 PM EDT

Chris-2550680

I know that people can be very passionate about their point of view but when it becomes hateful, it is no longer informative. I may learn something from your point of view so please keep it civil. I don't believe it is as simple as being democrat or republican as far as the problems we are facing in our country right now. I am not about to demean Democrats because I am a Republican. I am interested in hearing ideas regarding some of the top issues we are struggling with right now. Personally I am in favor of securing our borders to Mexico. I don't think it is unreasonable to protect ourseves. We are in a war half way around the world. Why would we not protect our own backyard? I lived in Arizona for over 25 years and finally moved because of the crime that has migrated from Mexico. Until you are woke up in the middle of the night with helicopters shining lights in your backyard and the sound of gunfire on a regular basis, maybe it isn't something you can quite comprehend. Also, as far as illegals having babies in this country, I really don't believe anyone is trying to hurt babies. When Mexican citizens have a baby in the US, that baby is a Mexican citizen according to Mexican law. I feel the objection a lot of people have to babies of illegals being born in this country is more about the fact that people who are tax paying citizens are having to pay for the support of this child, when the parents are not paying taxes. As far as illegals only taking jobs that most americans won't take, I know personally of a number of business that have employed illegals who are not perm residents either. This is not speculation, I know this for a fact. It is frustrating to see people live here and not pay taxes and collect from social services. This is not about being racist, it is about paying in to the government so the government can pay people who are not contributing. I don't believe this is an unreasonable point of view. The issue of government trying to provide health care to everyone, I believe is not realistic. I certaintly understand when families need assistance whether it be medical or food benefits. But I also know that there are too many people who have made government assistance a way of life because they have poor work ethics. As long as I am able to work and support myself, I should. It is not up to anyone else to take care of me when I am capable of doing it myself. I also don't think just because someone is rich they are somehow not worthy of my vote. I was raised extremelly poor and I live paycheck to paycheck. I don't speculate that because someone has money they must be crooks who are only out for themselves. That being said if the politicans were are paying salaries to are not worthy of their income, I guess that something else we can change.

1 vote

#19.2 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:36 PM EDT

Chris, although you post is very sincere, it is also confusing regarding crime in AZ and border patrol concerns. Illeagles are only a problem if people believe the exaggerations.

Crime rates in Arizona at lowest point in decades. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), the violent crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available -- than any year since 1983. The property crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 than any year since 1968. In addition, in Arizona, the violent crime rate dropped from 577.9 per 100,000 population in 1998 to 447 per 100,000 population in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,997 to 4,291 during the same period. During the same decade, Arizona's undocumented immigrant population grew rapidly. The Arizona Republic reported: "Between January 2000 and January 2008, Arizona's undocumented population grew 70 percent, according to the DHS [Department of Homeland Security] report. Nationally, it grew 37 percent."

The number of Border Patrol Officers is the highest it's ever been. There are fewer people crossing the border as a reflection of the economic problems we have and as such fewer jobs. This indicates that if more employers were held accountable for hiring undocumented workers, there would be fewer jobs and therefore fewer crossing the border.

If they don't pay taxes they cannot collect SS. Even when employing workers with false docs the same deductions are made from the paychecks. The only ones not being taxed are the ones being paid under the table and that is usually the preference of the employer so he can skip his taxes too.

There are certainly people who play the system, from all party groups. But there must be a way to filter them out so as to continue to help those truly in need. The biggest deterrent to that is cost. Who wants to pay for that complex a system?

#19.3 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:10 PM EDT

Heartlight3

Jim III. Bush had a Republican congress for the first 6 years of his Presidency, and they pretty much did everything he wanted. He was unsuccessful in privatizing Social Security, but I think there was a Democratic Congress by that time (correct me if I am wrong on that).

Also, I agree that most people who are millionaires are clueless about what it is like to not be one, especially those who inherited their wealth. However, there are a few millionaires who do have some empathy and compassion for those who are not. Ted Kennedy was one, as was Princess Diana, and Maria Shriver. Being a millionaire doesn't automatically make you out of touch with most people, but it is more likely. That is why Jesus told the story about the camel and they eye of the needle.

#19.4 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:59 PM EDT

Bill CT

I guess after this election the GOP is not just the Party of No but the Party of RACISM,BIGOTRY and the PURVEYORS of HATE SPEECH....PRETTY SAD!

4 votes

#20 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:16 PM EDT

Paul-404828

Nice going Bill. You have just chosen to do what every lib does when they get frustrated....bring in racism. How very very sad. Stay on topic even though your ADD is flaring up.

1 vote

#20.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:17 PM EDT

President Barack Obama drew a crowd of 37,000 people today for a speech at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.

Bill CT;

Don't forget, Corporate toadies, and Xtain Religious extremism

2 votes

#21 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:48 PM EDT

Liberal-2550713

All you tea baggers by the time this election is over you will truely realise that america does not give a @!$%# about you...Obama is the greatest thing that happened to this country...for 8 years you republicans destroyed and damaged america and now you are bitching about the guy who is trying to fix what you baggers have destroed

1 vote

#22 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:06 PM EDT

Any Thing Too Add

The MEDIA-BLACKOUT of President Obama

His speech began around 2:00 p.m. Pacific Time. I checked the major cable news networks to see if they were showing it live. I checked MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, and C-SPAN, as well as the main over-the-air networks CBS, ABC, and NBC.

Throughout the speech, I flipped between channels to see which networks were showing the speech. Fox News, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and NBC did not show ANY of the president's speech. CNN showed occasional video footage, but without any sound! The only channel that was showing his speech (with audio!) was C-SPAN.

This follows on the heels of a complete media blackout of the president's October 17 speech in Columbus, Ohio, a speech that drew a crowd of 35,000 people. These two events, the Columbus rally on October 17 and the Los Angeles rally on October 22, were the two largest events that the president has held since the inauguration.

The president's Columbus speech was not shown live on any of the major cable news networks or over-the-air networks. Not even C-SPAN showed it live. It was totally blacked out except for an online feed at BarackObama.com.

The cable news networks will not show a major campaign speech by the President of the United States. But they will show Sarah Palin's rallies. They will talk about the enthusiasm gap among Democrats. They will talk about how President Obama needs to "connect with voters", at the very same time that they are blacking out a speech of President Obama trying to connect with voters.

This is what I witnessed today. I witnessed Wolf Blitzer and David Gergen talking about how President Obama is not "connecting with voters", while live video footage of President

Obama played on a monitor behind them. There was no audio of President Obama. Just a video feed. There was no way to know what President Obama was saying in his speech. The president was shown speaking on a monitor in the background, while the two CNN commentators discussed the president's failure to "connect with voters".

CNN only bothered to show video of the event a few times and only for a few seconds at a time. And not once did CNN turn the audio up high enough so that you could hear what the president was saying. On MSNBC, Chris Matthews could have shown some of the president's speech. His show started at about the same time that the president began speaking. Matthews did not show any of the speech, none of it.

Don't you think the biggest presidential gathering since the inauguration requires at least a mention? At least play some of the speech. MSNBC dropped the ball by not showing the 35,000 person rally in Columbus and reports were that today's rally was going to be even larger (they had to move the event to a larger venue). So you cannot feign ignorance.

You knew this was a big rally, you knew this was an important event, and you deliberately chose not to show it. For what purpose, I don't know.

In his speech, the president talked about Citizens United. He talked about the millions of dollars in undisclosed corporate money flooding into our elections this year.

He talked about his accomplishments as president. He mentioned that people might be disappointed, but urged people to look forward, not back.

#23 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:06 PM EDT

Chris-2550680

The crime rate in Arizona has decreased in the last five years. Sheriff Joe Arpio and alot of volunteers have worked very hard to make that happen. I moved from AZ in 2005 so it's nice to hear they are having some success. Sheriff Joe had put up tent city to handle the overflow of criminals that the prisons could not take. In response to your comment (Illeagles are only a problem if people believe the exaggerations) I assure you I was not exaggerating my experiences. If you were in a traffic accident in Az your first thought was, I hope they were legal because if not you would be footing the bill. This is not just my point of view, it is common knowledge and it happens often. The immigration problem is not just with Mexico. It is just that with the crime that has been taking over Mexico, I feel we are more vulnerable. It is only logical that we should protect ourselves. In Phoenix it is about having bars on the windows, steel front doors (which we put in ofter ours was kicked in when we were robbed) and a couple of big dogs. We are now living in a small town in the midwest and it took a while to get used to how trusting people here are and how we see things on a daily basis that would leave you as a victim in AZ. Like I said before, unless you have lived it, you may not comprehend fully the impact this has on some parts of the country. By the way, we did not live in what was considered a bad part of town. As far as illegals collecting social security goes, you're correct. Illegals can only collect if they are perm residents who have been in this country for a certain length of time. However, pregnant illegals can have their medical bills paid for their prenatal care and cost of the birth after the baby is born. They can also apply for food benefits and medical expenses for the child. I would never think of denying med care or food for any child but where is the parents responsibility? Employers do pay illegals classified as self employed. I know of people who state they are not citizens and are self employed and do not pay taxes. When I first heard this I could not believe what I was being told. It does happen! As far as the cost to filter out those who play the system, the fraud that is commited is already costing the tax payers big time. Would you rather spend the money to keep the system honest or just let the criminals keep collecting. Our state has started manditory unpaid furlo for already overworked state employees. The state budget like everything else is affected by the economy. We all have a budget to live by and our government budget should be healthy. Personally I can't spend money I don't have. We just need to be aware of where the money we are giving away is coming from and who is entitled to it.

This information is from the dept of Homeland security. http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2009.pdf

Mexico continued to be the leading source of unauthorized immigration to the United States (see Table 3 and Appendix 2). There were 6.7 million unauthorized immigrants from Mexico in 2009, representing 62 percent of the unauthorized population. The next leading source countries for unauthorized immigrants in 2009 were El Salvador (530,000), Guatemala (480,000), Honduras (320,000), and the Philippines (270,000). The ten leading coun tries of origin represented 85 percent of the unauthorized immi grant population in 2009. Between 2000 and 2009, the Mexican-born unauthorized immi grant population increased 2.0 million or 42 percent. The greatest percentage increases occurred among unauthorized immigrants from Honduras (95 percent), Guatemala (65 percent), and India 64 percent.

1 vote

#23.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:03 PM EDT

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004210012

The President was not giving a presidential address. He was giving a speech as Campaigner in Chief and the head of the Democratic Party. The cable channels and networks were right in not pre-empting regularly scheduled programs to air it in entirety. If they did, they would be perceived as giving free air time to the Democratic Party. Then, to be fair, they'd have to air every other campaign rally held by all parties. That would be unbearable, wouldn't it?

3 votes

#24 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:40 PM EDT

Beverly in Chicago

Candice, Bartlett, IL

Do you think it's fair that Fox News, aka Republican Campaign Headquarters, contributors or hosts have made more than 300 appearances on the cable channel - compared to a total of six appearances on all other major news channels combined?

1 vote

#24.1 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT

Everybody knows Fox leans right and MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CNN and PBS lean left. Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews and Howard Fineman probably contribute to the Democratic Party. Do you think?

#24.2 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:50 PM EDT

So their claim of being Fair and BALANCED was always a now admitted to LIE. That's just what we need in this world, a news agency which reserves the right to LIE when necessary to get the political effect they're looking to create. Do you think?

No wonder FAUX NEWS never corrects their errors, unless shamed into it by Jon Stewart.

MSNBC doesn't contribute to exclusively Democratic candidates and causes, there is no equivalence between what Keith and Rachel do privately and what Rupert Murdoch chooses to do with corporate money.

#24.3 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:03 PM EDT

Paul,

Beverly provided a link to Media Matters that listed the people who appear on Fox that have also appeared at Republican rallies or have show some support for the Republican side. This appears to have come as a shock to Beverly and those on the left who write Media Matters that Fred Barnes, Glen Beck, Newt Gingrich and John Bolton have participated in Republican sponsored events or have made monetary contributions to the Republican party. This is surprising and news because.....?

I'm sure Olbermann, etal contribute to Democrats. You don't think MSNBC leans left?? Really?

#24.4 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:20 PM EDT