The problem is that if doesn't come wrapped in a pop-style package that it just isn't appealing, fun, or worth their time. There are video games to play, and Entertainment Tonight on in 30 minutes. Obama jumped into the political spotlight in a pop-star like style in 2008... he has that air and charisma about him and benefited greatly from it.

Regardless... there is a group of young individuals that have recognized the folly of voting without learning about their candidate of choice. Early today with a co-worker in his mid-20s, he was expressing regret over voting for Obama. He's a college educated environmental science grad who readily admits that in 2008 he wanted something different and a change - Obama's message appealed to him greatly, and even then when we talked about what exactly Obama's idea of change was... it was difficult for him to define it... but that he knew McCain was an establishment figure moreso than Obama.

The article states :

Another reason that young people might not turn out, Levine adds, is their feeling that Obama's hopeful campaign messages have not resonated in his presidency.

"They voted overwhelmingly for a particular flavor of change," Levine says.

The phrase "a particular flavor of change" is overstated because a lot of the youth fell into a gap that didn't recognize how empty the words "change" and "hope" are - and Obama never put any definition to it for them. It's very understandable that there would be a portion of this base upset for the "change" they have gotten.

"People 30 & under had better wakeup & Dictate to these Older Coots, that this is "our generation", you had your chance, now its Over."

RIck- this reminds me of Morrison and the Doors:

'They got the guns, but we got the num-bers... yeah, we're taking over'

@RatPoison: ...what, you got somethin' against video games? What you talkin' 'bout?

@Rick - you have no idea how disappointed I was with the youth vote in 2004!

I believed they would actually show up and instead we got 4 more years of 'W'!

Even my then twenty something progressive daughter at the time said the morning after the election 'if the righties bring back the draft the youth have no one to blame but themselves'!

I think rat poison is talking about the attention spans of the youth being as big as a flea's. I also think rat's talking about today's youth getting instant gratification on just about everything. I could be wrong but that's my take

Any young person who votes Democratic today is nothing but a sucker. As RatPoison very well states, they need to look more closely at the candidates before casting their votes. This applies to voters of all ages but especially to younger, inexperienced voters . BTW, how's all of that hopey-changey stuff workin' for ya? Suckers!

"What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace."

Even my then twenty something progressive daughter at the time said the morning after the election 'if the righties bring back the draft the youth have no one to blame but themselves'!

There goes another liberal playing on the fear and misstating historical fact!!! Every single draft in this country during the 20th Century came from the Democrats and not Republicans. Read some DAMN history people before chosing to vomit up your stupidity!

Ah, yes. We should vote Republicans obviously. No matter what! That's what I hear from most of you.

Maybe we do look at the issues? Which party is for gay marriage, protecting the environment, fair wages, better education...basically everything that we care about?

A quote from a Thomas Sowell piece:

Upon learning that the Constitution requires a president to be a natural born citizen, a college student said:
"What makes a natural born citizen any more qualified than one born by C-section?"

The sole reason Obama is president is because all the clueless, idiots with this mentality, who usually don't vote, came out in droves to make a social statement by electing our first "black" president, giving Obama, a man who had fewer leadership skills and business experience than an assistant manager at McDonalds, the margin needed to win.

Jason Mattera, who wrote "Obama Zombies: How the Liberal Machine Brainwashed My Generation." said, "On the cocaine front, I do believe many young people in America view Barack in the same fashion they view drugs: It was a substance to experiment with."

Hey "progressive" (or maybe just think you are smarter).

Gay marriage is NOT an issue for most first-time voters.....if it was, it would be a slight negative overall. Making wages at all is, to them, better than not be able to find even a part-time job.

One of my twins will vote for wise decision makers and good, strong leadership. Therefore, if obama recommends them, he will turn the other way. The other son has not yet registered to vote, but he will.

Today's teens are much smarter than you think........and they can see through the vagueness of "hope and change. They realize the practicality of available jobs or else all that education serves them no gain.

2010=HOPE 2012=CHANGE

How can you tell that this COC bruhah is having an effect? Just look at the defensive positions being taken by the GOP Minion's, here at 1st Read & in the MSM trying thier best to change the subject Again.

This has been more than a 2 day story, even CNN is taken up the cause. Why, because thiers Truth in it, whether any of ya wanna admit it or Not.

You can see it in the ever changing Poll #'s coming out every Second(sigh), the GOP is on the Defensive.

President Obama was correct in taking up this Karl Rove Boogeyman, because American's are still Mindfull of the Devastion brought by Rove upon our beloved America. Say whatcha wanna republican's, it's having an effect & thier's no denying That Fact.

Karl Rove better get his butt off TV & out of the News quickly, because he's TOXIC.

You Betcha!

Thanks for the reminder Rick!

For those who might have missed it earlier...

It's a depressing day in America when Think Progress & Keith Olberman are asking the tough questions that the MSM refuses to.

Looks to me like they've located the 'smoking gun'!

Last week, ThinkProgress published an exclusive story about the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's foreign fundraising operation. We noted the Chamber raises money from foreign-owned businesses for its 501(c)(6) entity, the same account that finances its unprecedented $75 million dollar partisan attack ad campaign. While the Chamber is notoriously secretive, the thrust of our story involved the disclosure of fundraising documents U.S. Chamber staffers had been distributing to solicit foreign (even state-owned) companies to donate directly to the Chamber's 501(c)(6).

We documented three different ways the Chamber fundraises from foreign corporations: (1) An internal fundraising program called "Business Councils" used to solicit direct, largely foreign contributions to the Chamber, (2) Direct contributions from foreign multinationals like BP, Siemens, and Shell Oil, and (3) From the Chamber's network of AmCham affiliates, which are foreign chambers of the Chamber composed of American and foreign companies. The Chamber quickly acknowledged that it receives direct, foreign money, but simply replied, "We are not obligated to discuss our internal procedures." Instead of providing any documentation or proof to demonstrate foreign money is not being used for electioneering purposes, the Chamber launched an aggressive media strategy to first, attack ThinkProgress with petty name-calling and second, to confuse the media by highlighting the Chamber's relatively minor AmCham fundraising, which the Chamber says (also without documentation) totals "approximately $100,000" from all 115 international AmCham chapters. The Chamber and the media largely ignored ThinkProgress' revelation about the Chamber's direct foreign fundraising to its 501(c)(6) used for attack ads

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/13/chamber-foreign-funded-media/

Please feel free to follow the link as it will lay out for you exactly what countries comprise the $885,000.

You all can stick your fingers in your ears and hollar lalalalala all ya want... it ain't going to go away!

You BETCHA!

Care for some popcorn Rick? I got a feeling this is gonna get good! lol

Waterdog - you are right, people need to take a closer look at the candidates, and not just vote on anger - which is what people leaning Tea Party are doing, it's rather ironic dont you think?

I know what you'll say, that you have looked at these people and you like what they have to say. Well, I looked at Obama and I liked what he had to say.

Thats the thing, people only hear what they want to hear - they dont actually listen. Anyone with 2 brain cells knew this recovery was not going to be instant, that Obama could not do anything right away to fix things. Well he has done quite a bit to make things better, but in this era of instant gratification, it's not enough.

And it wont be enough when you vote for your tea partier either. They'll get elected, do nothing and in 2 years what will you say then? You'll stick to your party line and that will be that..or, you'll just make excuses.

I blame the republicans for Obama's inability to deliver on his campaign promises, the party of NO made it abundantly clear they would oppose anything Obama did - and they have done that.

So when republicans take congress and senate, what exactly do you think democrats are going to do? how exactly do you think republicans are going to fare? not much better im willing to bet...

and answer me this - why do we stand for this mentally handicapped method of govt, where the party not in power simply holds the other hostage, so that neither can move forward on their agendas? FEAR? naw...neither side over states the scary nature of the other sides ideas, do they? thats just crazy talk...right?

right now we hear socialist-marxist-obamacare

wonder what slogans we'll hear about when the tea partiers get to dc, if they do? im sure it will be equally as accurate, dont you think?

Beatle Baby : Yeah, mostly... it takes a lot to get kids/teens/young adults that have very little or no responsibility in their lives to begin putting attention towards things that shape their lives. The instant gratification for kids in 2008 was the historical potential of the election, the election of the first black President. Now that the balloon has deflated, they have returned to not caring because there is no perceived consequence behind it.

Obama has a tremendous amount of charisma and pressence, but it takes much more than that and empty words to stir confidence in skeptics. Throwing around "change" and "hope" won't work in the same way it did last time.

Back in the Democrat's primaries when Hillary started losing, they compared the amount of times Obama said "change" in his dialouges to Hillary. Obama was saying it a lot, and eventually Hillary's campaign began using the word with greater frequency. The youth of the nation, and the media for that matter never put for the effort to define what "change" meant for these candidates. All that mattered to the youth and the media was Obama's pressence and charisma and the historical potential surrounding him - he was on the same level as a rockstar.

He won't recapture that same energy, and he'll certainly not be able to energize the base for other's campaigns unless he can find some instant gratification, pop-culture styled switch to flip in a couple of weeks.

i just hope they wake up and see what is really going on before they end up slaves to a system even worse than what i grew up with.

Why is it that when the trolls come barging in here... all I can think of are the scenes they show on the news at a Wal-Mart opening morning on the day after Thanksgiving?

They got NO message or Focus it's just fling everything they can and hope that one low information voter will but it! lol

I hear a lot of candidates saying they will create jobs, but what does that MEAN? I have yet to hear them say what they will actually DO that will create jobs? We already know cutting taxes does not create jobs. ( If it did, the last 10 years of cut taxes would have created jobs.) So anyone who says that, has no credibility as far as I'm concerned. What else do they have? If we elect people who don't even make sense when they talk, how are they going to actually run a country this size? If you believe the media and the polls, (which I'm not sure I do), we are about to elect people to run the government who hate government. How do we think that is going to work out?

I hate to be the one to break this to you Feisty but your smoking gun is little more than a water pistol, and a dry one at that. This story has no legs, anyone with an ounce of objectivity knows neither party is pure as the driven snow. Most people KNOW there was an issue with Obama and foreign money in 2008, nothing was done about it then, nor will it be now. Further more, you've got your panties all wound up over less than $1M? Even if it can be proven this money ended up in campaigns, you're talking about chicken feed. Three weeks from now all you progressives will be wondering what happened and who to blame. If you haven't figured it out by now you never will. The butt kicking will be epic in its repudiation of the past 4 years of Democratic Rule in the House and Senate. You can keep on denying it all you want but the day of reckoning is almost here, the only strategy the left has it to smear. Not one is campaigning on the junk the passed since Obama came to town, not one. That screams volumes.

"Why is it that when the trolls come barging in here... all I can think of are the scenes they show on the news at a Wal-Mart opening morning on the day after Thanksgiving?"

Hey Feisty,

I sure am glad that you feel so superior to everyone else here that you can constantly demean and insult them like a child on the playground. It's so nice to see that when you know your losing an argument, or feeling overwhelmed by the number of opposition posters, that you will consistantly fall back to name calling and insulting....

I often wonder why you do this. Does it make you feel proud? Strong? Smart? Do you really feel better than everyone else here? And then you end your post with "lol", ending you post as you started it, like a child.

I think you're pathetic, I stopped taking any of your posts seriously a long time ago, as you refuse to civily argue a point with anyone. All you do is say they aren't providing sources, calling names, and disregarding anything they say, for god knows why.... I think the truth is that you just feel that you are smarter than the people here who post differing ideas than you, the only I time I see you post anything positive is when it's one of your clique as you guys typically fervently support each other....

Honestly I don't care, the thing you need to realise though, is that even a broken clock is right twice a day.... I'll let you in infinite wisdom figure that one out.

And since this going to get collapsed anyway, I'm just going to say it. I think you're rude and hostile individual, and I think you need a serious additutde adjustment.

But you'll get that on Nov. 2

This thread is really fun to this point. I read the hopeless bragadoccio of lib "youngsters' who know deep down, that they are about to suffer a serious ass-kicking by "those old coots".

BrutusCA

I couldn't agree more! Thanks for posting it. I usually just ignore Feisty's posts but sometimes you need to point out the obvious.

Remember how your parents looked at you when you where young? You are doing the same thing! LOL!

Remember these young nothings will be your bread and butter. Do you want to retire?

Don't you teach respect is a two way street?

The Rich are trying to dominate our politics, it isn't a young vs old thing. Government of the People not Government for the ones who stuff my pocket!

Youngsters get it do you?

Lobby by petitions only stop the $$$$! It will create jobs!

I have been behind the scenes during elections, most candidates are not there for you, they are self serving!

How am I a sucker because I am democratic? I KNOW why I would vote democratic. I don't see how I am stupid because I am not Conservative. You are a prime example of people who can't respect someone elses opinion. Heres a little lesson, you can respect and understand someone elses opinion without agreeing with it. I also think it is interesting that the majority of the people I know that judge me for my beliefs are Conservative/Republican. If I don't agree with them, than I must just be stupid. Thank you SO much for contributing to that belief.

I am independent and would never vote based on the party they belong too. Shallow on both sides if you ask me!

We need both parties, to have great candidates that represent the diversity of our people. Candidates that can agree to disagree and still do their job. Candidates that would never vote for their own wage increase when their constituents are hurting.

The Rich could easily bring us out of this recession, do you see them standing up? Get it together!

Corporate America = ModernDay Slavery

The only reason computers and the internet are what they are is because of standards. That is what we need to do update the standards or regulations if you like.

We need to hear from the ones who didn't receive corporate socialism!

"If you're under 30 and registered to vote, the president – along with his political advisers – is talkin' 'bout your generation."

Don't forget to remind them that they are the ones that will have to repay the $25 Trillion, plus interest, that the Obama Administration expects to run the National Debt up to within 9 years.

Your right Roy when the baby boomers retire the systems going to break. Should of planned ahead! Shame on you for leaving this for the young of our country and then blaming them for it. So modern Tea Party of you!

Roy, do you have any sources to back that 25 Trillion figure?

Everything I've read says $9-10 Trillion.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/26/cbos-2020-vision-debt-will-rise-to-90-of-gdp/

You have 5 kids and encourage them to vote? I assume that means they're all over the age of 18.

If you don't consider yourself part of the "older" generation, and have 5 kids, then I assume you started having babies pretty young and never stopped.

You are actually part of the problem.

She's part of the problem!? How ridiculous! Baby Boomers had family's of 8 or more.

Seeing as we are one of the least populated countries per land mass, I would think you need some education. The world is spherical not linear. Get it? Probably not!

Shame on you!

Jessica, Red and the rest of our progressive liberal friends,

What has Obama done to make things better? Health Care? A law sold to the people, sworn to reduce costs of insurance and medical treatment that is doing niether. Obama promised open debate over this bill and all others, that lasted until the public opennly rejected the draft health care reform bill before the house in august 2009. After that everything moved behind closed doors until the vote. How about the 800 billion in stimulus that hasn't stimulated a thing? He promised that passage would prevent unemployment from exceeding 8% it spiked at over ten and remains stagnant at around 9.5%. he promised it would create millions of jobs in the private sector yet we have hemmoraged private sector jobs almost every month since it passed. His promises for closing Gitmo and getting out of Afghanistan, last I checked Gitmo still housed prisoners and We have escalated troop levels and drone attacks in Afghanistan. Iraq was already coming to a close with the agreement made by Bush in 2008 to begin withdrawal and things went according to schedule despite a spike in violence and an impass in the Iraqi government. If the country comes undone, Obama can step up to take responsibility for letting the gains come apart. The oil spill, a tragic accident is another of Obama's bumbling moments, he claimed he got BP to make concessions that had already been announced two weeks earlier by BP. Obama didn't have much to do with it at all. All he has done for 21 months has been to remain in campaign mode and grasp at the straws thrown at him by his acedemic advisors. People who have never held a productive job in the real world outside of the ivory halls of education. He had two that did have experience but they have resigned on the eve of his first midterm exam. So what exactly has he made better? He hasn't brought home our troops, he hasn't insured that everyone will have health care, he hasn't closed Gitmo, we still have terrorists waiting for trial or tribunal, he has driven the deficit spending in his first two years to 2.8 trillion dollars, he has not brought down unemployment so much as one percentage point, and has generally had open warfare with businesses large and small that create the jobs we need. He has pushed forward on cap and trade which will push costs of everything made and consumed in this country higher, he has ignored the will of the people, and he has opennly attacked state governments for trying to get the federal government to uphold the law of the land. This is certainly the change he promised but I see very little hope at all in it.

adidas 503 "Roy, do you have any sources to back that 25 Trillion figure?"

Below is the link to Obama's Budget projections, which shows a National Debt of $25.777 Trillion by 2020. Scroll down to Table S-14, page 178. The average interest rate over the last 30 years was 5.5%, which gives a total interest cost per year then of $1.418 Trillion, vs an average of only $199 Billion for G W Bush.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/tables.pdf

That $1.2 Trillion increase in interest cost is about $15,000 per year, or $1,250 per month for a family of four - for interest only.

Our children and grandchildren will be stuck paying for this their entire lives, and their standard of living will be far worse than ours as a result.

How's that "Hope and Change" working for YOU?

Thank you. Finally one who hails from the "I'll keep my guns and money, you can keep the change!" bumper sticker movement to make statements based on facts.

A footnote at the bottom of the document you cited reads, Note: Figures displayed in the table do not reflect the impact of any recommendations from the Fiscal Commission". Therefore, the future of our country depends on the Fiscal Commission to do as their mission statement says quote, propose recommendations designed to balance the budget, excluding interest payments on the debt, by 2015 endquote.

Conservatives will rally with the Republican Commission Members to press for their recommendations including raising the SS retirement age. Liberals will rally with the Democratic Commission Members to press their recommendations including NOT raise the SS retirement age... as they already have.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20018154-503544.html

Hilarious Headline: Obama Fiscal Commission's Task Likened to 'Giving Dry Birth to a Porcupine'

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/04/obama-fiscal-commissions-task-likened-to-giving-dry-birth-to-a-porcupine.html

Lets keep the debate level headed and think LOGICALLY to develop solutions to problems facing our country TOGETHER.

This new generation is dubbed the Me Generation. They only care about themselves and their own personal wants (not needs).

Why won't you talk to the adults about your policies Mr Obama. Because you know they see through the smoke and mirrors to the truth about your bad ideas? Do they ask too many criticial questions about the workings of your deals?

Maybe we do look at the issues? Which party is for gay marriage, protecting the environment, fair wages, better education...basically everything that we care about?

OMG! Gay marriage is your number one priority??? No wonder this country is going down the toilet! What about JOBS???? What about this MASSIVE debt?

Fiesty....regarding the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and foreign contributions.

Pot calling the kettle black. Read it and weep:

http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2010/10/15/public_enemy_no_1_gop_donors/page/full/

I understand what you and others are saying yet I can't get past the point of the chaos it will create and the increased exponential crime rate. I do think the modern gangsta is past the point of stealing from people close to their shoes, limited gain. When the ball game changes the players have no choice but to adjust and adapt.

I also can't get passed the logic that this whole thing is orchestrated from beginning to end they knew that the government wouldn't let them fail. They knew that they could put the blame somewhere else they knew that because that is what they do calculated risks. What you don't think people are that smart?

I have my bibles and my guns and will protect my family at any cost! Forget wars in other countries we will cause it here without outside influence. Until they see the opportunity open up.

How quick do you think the economy will recover after entitlements are dropped. Not fast enough!

You can not drop entitlements until there are jobs to take their place. I do understand the anger, not the methods.

Here goes Mr. Obama on a tear trying to drag votes out of people who had no intention to vote in the first place.

It cannot be denied that citizens who do not plan on voting most likely pay very little attention to what is going on politically in their own country.

And those are the so-called citizens that this president is begging and pleading for their support at the polls. This guy would be happy to have cattle and canines having the right to vote. After all he's out there now trying to drag in the 'sheep'.

Are these to kind of voters that so many on this site are always defending as the 'educated' and 'intelligent' Democrat supporters, as opposed to all those 'uneducated' and 'unenlightened' "repugs, repukes, teabaggers, and bigots" ???

Yes sir...let's drag a bunch of ill-informed citizens out of their lethargy and beg them to cast a vote to further this wonderful Democrat agenda.

Waterdog...

Mr. Obama is not running across the country trolling for people who will spend two minutes of their lives to "look more closely at the candidates before casting their votes".

He's after the "sheeple" vote....his very best voting bloc.

Fed Up...

Wise post...funny how "JOBS" did not make that priority list !!!

adidas 503 "Lets keep the debate level headed and think LOGICALLY to develop solutions to problems facing our country TOGETHER."

I agree. The report by the Debt Commission should be VERY interesting reading, and also a real 'wake up call'. I can't wait to see it.

One thing I failed to mention in my Post #1.34 was that this is the President's Budget projections. Unfortunately, these projections are notoriously optimistic with artificially high projected growth rates and unrealistically low interest rates (Bush initially projected huge Budget Surpluses, lol), so the likely National Debt figures are probably grossly understated. When I plugged in realistic economic growth rates and interest rates into my own projection, the result was too scary to mention.

I commend Obama for forming a 'bipartisan' Debt Commission - I just hope we have the political courage to actually DO something.

Yeah... go after the viave and gullible youth... the thirty and under crowd. They don't have enough brains or experience to see or understand the lies you pump at them.

Leave our youth alone Obama - they are not "yours for the brainwashing.

Pat,

I totally disagree the youth don't vote because they are all liars! We live in the generation of massive choices and deception. Who is going to get us next is the question not trust! We don't trust anyone not dems or reps! We don't trust criminals or corporations we don't trust you or the government! Instead of cleaning up their acts they point and put the blame else where.

That's what you guys passed down to us!

Instead of deciding what we think ever try talking to one?

The promise of accountability is what people voted for!

Cunning manipulative deception redistribution redirection misdirection communist marxist socialist entitlements greed wars death and bigotry.

Thanks

JuvenBachan

Oblaba is

a socialist and wants to redistribute your wealth.

Then Boehnor must be one too since he voted with Pelosi; don't you think?

http://www.recovery.gov/espsearch/Pages/default.aspx?k=shovel+ready+by+state

So did Mike Pence, Rep. Eric Cantor, and Rep. Pete Sessions.

The way you spelled the President's name shows you could use some education too

He doesn't even know what Socialism means probably. I am sure he hates it too! Damn the highways, military, food regulations, and all that jazz the government does. Let the free market system decide if we want contaminated food or not.

Yea Juvenbachen, it's spelled...

O B I M B O

Everyone knows that.

I would be flabbergasted if anyone calling Obama a socialist can even give a clear definition of socialism. At least when we threw labels at GWB they had validity. You know, lables like "liar" and "war criminal". All the righties can come up with are "socialist" and "obammy" wow, how intelligent.

Obama is THE LIAR. He is the one who said that if you like your insurance you can keep it AND your premiums will not go up. My medicare advantage insurance will no longer be available in 2011 and the closest medicare supplement plan available has premiums 86% higher plus higher deductibles. I never believed him but far too many were captivated by his silver tongue. Some people ARE FOOLED ALL OF THE TIME because they will vote for those who passed that legislation without even reading it!!

youth have no jobs, no health insurance, student loans, and no wealth. They don't have anything to lose.

How many graduating from college can't find a job? I guess you blame them for that as well? It is up to our generation to fix previous generations critical errors!

"The fact that they're still loyal to Democrats is somewhat amazing,"......Friggin Hilarious ....hehehahahehe!

Woodchuck, no problem, Obama's is a liar!

you are a hateful racist

Here you go woodchuck: a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. In Marxist theory it's the stage that follows capitalism in a natural transition to communism. Now is this type of system a bad thing, maybe or maybe not. Those of you that love Star Trek will most likely recognize that in that future the economic system is very much communism. The inherent problem with the idea is not the system as it is defined. In fact it is a very much utopian idea. We all get along; work for the common good of humanity, scientific progress and knowledge is the driving force behind our reason for being. The problem is do you really think 7 billion people are going to get behind this idea? I do not believe it will be possible, people are the problem. Most of the comments on this thread prove that. We can't solve our differences without resorting to name calling or questioning someone's level of education. You only think your idea is the right one and refuse to take a step back to see it though the eyes of another. People are inherently greedy, self serving, and always put the needs of the few ahead of the needs of the many. We want make to ourselves, the groups we belong to, our sexual orientation, our religion, where we are from..... Special. I am 30, my generation is very close to being completely responsibly for the direction this country and this world is going to take. We where brought up being told that we could be anything we want, that we are all special. As we grew up this was a great fantasy, but as we have gone though our 20's and became an adult most of us have realized that it's all a joke. That we are all special is just another way of saying no one is. In the 21st century things have changed, and we must change. My generation is lacking a cause to believe in and get behind. We have no world war, no Apollo program. We are a generation lacking a direction from the generation that has power now. All we see is a group trying to live forever and then taking what's left to the grave with them. This fighting over truly stupid issues is heartbreaking, we do not want laws that single each group out in order to try and make everyone have equal rights. That very concept creates the inequalities we have to deal with. In this day and age we should not need a law to protect the rights of whites, blacks, lgbt, etc. We should show enough intelligence that when we read, "all men are created equal" we understand now that it's not just men it's human. Their is no reason that in the United States we should have to contend with homeless and utter poverty. Will everyone grow up to live in a million dollar home, no, and how dare you tell me that everyone should. The government has the capacity to bring every citizen to zero, to put us all at go with our thousand bucks and dice and say it's time to go around the board. From that point on who knows what will happen, but no matter what we can always go back to go. Stop trying to save the planet, it's been though things far worse than human beings and survived, save humanity.

Jogger...

Today's newspaper headline in my state announced that health insurance rate increases running up to 47% have been approved by state regulators. It is clearly stated in the quite lengthy article that followed, that the primary cause of these whopping increases for next year was the mandates laid on the insurance companies by the president's health care "reform" law.

I guess the president needs to put the ancient Andy Griffin back in the TV ads, telling us viewers of all the things they are going to get for "free" under the new law, like he does in the current ad.

Maybe ol' Andy can bring in Barney Fife and Gomer Pyle to convince us all that we'll be gettiing "free" rate increases of up to 47%.

Remember Mr. Obama out stumping for his reform plan...staring thoughtfully into the camera and telling us all how our health care worries would soon be a thing of the past. And remember the hundreds of times he beat into voters that "families earning below $250,000 would not see their taxes raised "even one dime".

Does any sane person really care whether they have less take home pay because because of a tax increase or because of government-forced increases in the costs of living their lives ???

Either way...less take home pay is less take home pay...right at a time when this economy needs people out there "spending" in the private sector.

Great job, Mr. President...great job, indeed.

tony,

Early this year my company held an all employee meeting for an annual "state of the company" address. Our CEO answered a question regarding a January 2010 Ballot Measure in Oregon that passed calling for an increase of Corporate Income Taxes

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Oregon_Tax_Hike_Vote,_Ballot_Measures_66_and_67_(2010)

His response was that he was PISSED! He said that the ballot measure meant the company had to cough up $100,000 that was "not budgeted" and was almost livid about it.

According the source cited above, Oregon along with Delaware and North Carolina had the lowest combined state and local business taxes as a share of the economy among all states. I did vote yes to the measure and now feel it was the right thing to do to help Oregon balance its budget. It is worth noting that Oregon Corporate Taxes had not been raised since 1931.

With that said, one should consider that Insurance Companies and all large corporations are ran by Executives whose management style could be described as "Ruling with an IRON FIST". They could be referred to as ARSEHOLES or DICCS but they GET THE JOB DONE.

So, your insurance rate hikes are not due to Obama trying to protect consumers from Insurance Comany abuses. It is because the INS Industry are PISSED they can no longer insulate themselves from paying out expensive claims.

They can no longer RESCIND insurance coverage because someone didnt disclose that they used PEPTO BISMOL and thus cannot be covered for Crohn's Disease.

Credit Card Companies and Banks are PISSED that they can no longer gouge consumers for overdraft fees.

Your INSURANCE company is trying to raise revenue before provisions in the Health Care Law take affect or to offset coverage extended to 26 year old Children and Children with Pre-existing condictions.

One could speculate that they hope the BACKLASH of these rate hikes will outrage Americans to call for REPEAL of HCR so they can go back to protecting their BOTTOM LINE.

CHANGE IS HARD but we can do it. Once everyone gets insurance including HEALTHY AMERICANS, they will see incoming PREMIUMS out pace CLAIM PAYMENTS and then lower premiums across the board.

For those Freedom Loving Americans that are opposed to the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, then lobby your STATE Government to DEVELOP their OWN STATE SYSTEM.

The HCR Amendment called "Empowering States to be Innovative" added by Sen Wyden of Oregon, allows STATES to be EXEMPT from the FEDERAL HCR Law if they can provide the same COVERAGE as the FED system. Such a STATE System could be setup to NOT REQUIRE an indivdual mandate.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/03/wyden_says_states_can_design_o.html

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-portland/oregon-senator-claims-states-can-overturn-president-obama-s-health-care-plan-without-the-courts

What about their future, rahannis?

YOU make it stop, Einstein, by using the TV remote or turning that round deal with the numbers on it, and finding the Fox "news" channel....

And why on earth would young people vote for the kind of geezers represented by McCain, or completely uptight ding bats like O'Donnell??

Hey Dave, how about turning off the boob tube and, I don't know, going outside for a @!$%#ing walk? Maybe read a @!$%#ing book? Take up a hobby...?

My hobby is the amusement I get reading your far left dribble.

Thank you,

So Dave, small mind - simple pleasures?

If he spent as much time fixing the issues that he does feeding his ego, he would be a shoe in for a 2nd term.

ED keep droppin those Fbombs! KABOOOM!

Drive by...to answer your question, the youth of today have to become the adults of tomorrow which means they must learn to be responsible, something they will not learn from Obama and his irresponsible spending, his lack of leadership rejected by nearly every other nation and his hate of a sucessful and competitive America.

why stop he is making all of these hateful people rich. they know that hate sells.. and the President is their target. I am proud of him and will vote again

Dave...

You are right....Mr. Obama is getting to be a bit like the Geico gekko. Only the president isn't saving anyone, anywhere that "15%" that the gekko keeps talking about !

It's a reference to a song by The Who "My Generation" as is the title "The Kids are Alright". Must be sad to not have the brainpower to come up with a more relevant (well, to the audience they seem to be trying to reach) example.

Louis...

I have 2 children and 8 nephews and nieces between the ages of 18 to 25...I'll guarantee you that 3/4 of this group would not recognize Joe Biden if he walked into a family party. Likely at least half could not tell you the vice-president's name if you asked.

They are all college graduates except for one who is running a growing construction business, one who is becoming a police officer, and once who has not yet graduated from college...all smart, good kids.

They follow nothing regarding politics or government in their daily lives...and they freely admit it. Several thought that "health care reform" meant that everyone was getting "free" health care. They each admit that they do not read the newspaper or magazines and do not follow the news on television or radio. Most, if not all of them, have never bothered to register to vote.

In other words...the president of this country would find them to be a perfect group of ten voters that he needs to reach to get their support. These kids are the Americans Mr. Obama is currently running around trying to get motivated to vote the way he wants them to.

My hope is that all of them are too intelligent to waste their time watching a dumb show like MTV.

Someday they will all likely be solid citizens and politically interested...but that time has yet to come. And I'm sure this little group isn't too different form the peers in their age group from across the country.

*SPOILERS*

It's like when you find out Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny aren't real~

"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

The Wiz wouldn't have dared to throw THAT out there.

No wonder Dorothy wants to go back to Kansas.

Quite. To be brow-beaten by Fred Phelps, no less.

Actually it's sad. Because of the Republicans blocking everything an allowing no legislation to pass we see an increase in voter apathy. But then again they don't really care about the people. (They are fine with 40,000 Americans dying each year because they don't have health insurance.)

We are the Republicans, if you are poor you deserve to die!

Actually...

Maybe Alan Grayson deserves to lose.

Increasingly...it looks like he's going to.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Progressive, I'd sure like to know just what the heck you are talking about.

The 9000 plus earmark omnibus bill did not pass? I'm pretty sure it did.

The $800plus billion stimulus bill did not pass? The one for all the shovel ready jobs Obama now says do not exist? I'm pretty sure it did.

The H R did not pass? The one the majority of people did not want, the one the majority want repealed? I'm pretty sure it did.

How about that financial reform bill, the one that omitted Fannie and Freddie. Did that pass? I'm pretty sure that passed, too.

I only wish the Republicans had succeeded in stopping all of this damaging legislation.

They will have their chance in January, I'm pretty sure.

Alan Grayson is a flaming — — — — — — — you fill in the blank ! Him and that screaming moron from New York, Wiener, Weiner, Whiner.....whatever you want to call him........they are an embarassment to U.S. citizens everywhere.

Progressive? (Or maybe just educated)

Actually it's sad. Because of the Republicans blocking everything an allowing no legislation to pass.

Prog, where'ya been? Getting educated maybe? If so, you should ask for a refund. Even Obama brags he's gotten most of what he's asked for passed by Congress.

Too bad what Obama wants and what Americans want don't match up.

I'm pretty sure the Sun will rise in the East & set in the West again tomorrow, NBNJ.

I'm also pretty sure the Sky has'nt fallen over New Jersey, but after watching SouthPark lastnight, I think Snooky is Comical.

As for Jim90210, Grayson & weiner tellit like it Is, eveidently, you have a problem with That. Thats a good thing, more Democrats should do what they do, then the GOP would'nt have a Snowballs chance in Hell of ever Governing.

Talking Points memo's are'nt governing, they're just "Talking Points".

Now, back to Beck & Rush, right after this word from GoldLine!

Progressive? (Or maybe just educated)

As opposed to the thousands of babies each year that are aborted due to his partial birth abortion law? You know, when the baby is crowning and they suck the brains out before the head passes the vaginal opening.

Don't preach about healthcare and the lives it has taken when murder is now legal due to this presidents decisions.

We won't even go into how our tax dollars (over 10 million) went to help Kenya re-write their constitution so it included abortion and the planned parenthood helped them re-write it.

Say, when males jack off, are they not in fact killing 300 million potential human lives? Billions upon billions a year cast into the voracious obscurity of a Kleenex tissue, from whence to never return...?

Um, E.D.,

YUCK.

I love ya, but,YUCK.

Please. Stick to magic. Or D&D.

Eeww

Couldn't help myself. Deconstructivism is big on my mind lately and you can thank Marcus Aurelius for that one sooner than Gary Gygax.

what ? so next any "male" that has ever masturbated,will be guilty of murder/abortion, I thought we had to call it an embryo first, hey "Dragon" go masturbate at least You won't be killing anything right? better yet go "do" some guy a favor and get him off that way you'll be a hero,{by saving a life}. I also think it's a riot that "lib's"blame the current economic situation on the "Repub's" when in fact Bill Clinton{a Democrat I believe}was the President that signed our job's away in NAFTA.

Exodite Dragon

"Say, when males jack off, are they not in fact killing 300 million potential human lives? Billions upon billions a year cast into the voracious obscurity of a Kleenex tissue, from whence to never return...?"

Exodite- In my best "Maude" voice..... "Christine O'Donnell will get you for that"

Drive By: In ancient times, the Hellenistic philosopher Hypatia gave to a suitor who professed his love for her a rag soaked with her menstrual blood to refute his advances.

Take a guess as to what I'd gladly mail Christine if she ever seriously tries to propose legislation banning masturbation.

You're 2-for-2 now, E.D..

In most cases, that would be admirable.

This, however...

Isn't one of them.

Exide you are one dead battery. Forget the manhattan penthouse. Now I picture you slithering across the greasy, oily floor of some mom and pops 100 year old auto repair shop or am I just turning you on? Icky sticky exide hickey.

Darn Exide I forgot to guess. Hmmmmm let me think. I've got it! You would give them your sperm.

Go green exide. Don't use a kleenex. Use a dirty sock.

Jimmy, you're the man of my dreams. I'm swooning over here at all these sweet nothings you send my way~ 8D

Obama did NOT send their jobs to China or India so the fat cats could get fatter. Lose the talking point, already.

FR: is talkin' 'bout your generation

And wait until the youngn's get that bill from the guberment tell'n them it's mandatory now that they buy their own health insurance. Course Obama will tell'em "Some one else will pay that bill for you youngn's - I'll make some greedy 'Rich' person do that for ya. And now, do remember that when go to vote in the coming elections." Sure, the youngn's will buy that.

No.. the Unions did.. and obama and the Democrats have done nothing to help ...

Steve-505729

26 percent Unemployment rate among Teens.. Nice job Obama and Democrats...

How about all those jobs Bush didn't create in 8 years? In fact, Bush hemorrhaged 700,000 jobs during the last quarter of his term. Another reason you can blame Bush.

Bev,

we have averaged over 450,000 Jobs lost per week in the last 3 months.. 450,000 new unemployment claims per week.. thats over 5 million jobs lost in the past 3 months...

Bush's last quarter..... Hmmm that would be Larry and Moe's watch, Curly hadn't been elected yet.

Care to expand on why you think this is President Obama and democrats fault. Have you forgotten WHO was in charge from 2001 through 2008? Who it was that doubled the national debt, started two wars and didn't finish either, who it was that passed every piece of legislation without bothering to pay for it? Seriously, the right needs some reality medication; they're suffering from a lack of memory.

And still...the GOP/Tea Bag coalition have no specific solutions to any of these problems. The public doesnt seem to care And the press doesnt care to ask them about it. How dysfunctional are we?

If youth wants change, they wont be getting it from the GOP. Get ready for 2 more years of 'NO', planned gridlock and failed policies of the past. The only change will be the extra coin going into corporate America's pocket while they continue to outsource our jobs,increase their bonuses and cheat on their taxes.

I guess America will get what it deserves in November and by the looks of it, the real 'regret' will come when the energy doesnt translate into solutions.

All one can do is vote. Anger trumps reason this time around so I guess we should get used to having new leaders without solutions again. We will be back in 6 months when the unemployment rate is still about 9.5% and the GOP is busy with Dem witch hunts via Subpoenas, throwing terrorist border babies over the border fence and ensuring their Corporate campaign funders get their Bush tax cut extended and of course, greenlight more outsourcing and de-regulation.

JOdy

Simple enough.. The democrats that Controlled Congress Created the Deficts and Debt.. if you actually did your homework instead of drinking the Koolaid. you might know this..

http://i44.tinypic.com/34g1xu1.jpg

Here is the proof . and this doesn't even add the Debt the democrats have run up in the past year and a half..

Here the right goes again. Unions did not ship the jobs overseas--corporations did. Those unions are why nonunion employers pay a living wage and provide benefits like health care, vacation pay; they are also why we have safe working conditions. The GOP has been demonizing unions since Reagan started it; when that doesn't work, they blame illegals, or whatever group they choose as their next target--it is always someone else's fault. Talk about drinking the GOP Kool aid.

Jody,

The concept of a "living wage" is wonderfully idealistic. It is, however, not very realistic when we are living in a global economy as exists today.

The simple reality is that wages, standard of living, health benefits and all the employee "burdens" such as worker's compensation insurance are significantly HIGHER in the U.S. This simply makes costs of production that much higher.........sending production jobs overseas.

You can play the "blame game" all you like, but simple economics is what is causing job losses. You might add tightening and voluminous government regulations also.

Tell us honestly Jody, how many of the televisions in your house were made in the U.S. and how many that you have bought, were made in foreign countries ?????

The only thing I think about this is that it's further proof that there hasn't been anything good on MTV in almost 20 years.

Hmmm...

The weather....

"You don't need to be a weatherman..."

Or...

Bob Dylan, for that matter.

So, if he does talk politics, rather than just telling them how wonderful and cool he is, will the usual suspects be on here tomorrow demanding the equal time be given?

I doubt it. I also doubt, given today's lame attempt, that they will be able to spin it.

Well, maybe he will unveil his music video. . .

Personally, I think he should do a round table discussion with the cast of Jersey Shore. Snooki has some major beef with him over that indoor tanning tax he imposed.

My wife LOVES Tanning. She often goes for the full 20 minutes sometimes ending up with a burn that causes nausea. She doesnt realize that her DNA is actually being damaged.

When i bring it up she gets VERY DEFENSIVE and does not want to talk about it. Until she gets melanoma, she will not cut back, use a lower powered bed, or put on a mild sunscreen before tanning.

That is why the Tanning Tax was implemented. To help cover more Americans. Many of whom may contract skin cancer.

Pat,

Put the Koolaid down. Just because you say something doesn't make it truth. you continue to lie without proof .. but thats what most liberals do..

Steve, the GOP needs more money. Now. We can't be having better schools, better roads, better education systems, better health care now can we? We can't have our parents depending on Social Security and Medicare.

And that's exactly what will happen if the GOP loses. Send them money, so we can become a corporate takeover country.

The GOP's fondest wish. Karl Rove will be going to jail in the near future. So send the money now.

Pat

Put the koolaid down..

Pat's getting a little more hysterical than normal the closer Nov.2 gets. The next 19 days should be a real comedy around here as the lefties get more and more desperate and their posts more frantic.

Chill, Pat, take a few Prozac. Your anguish will be over soon and Obama will be neutered.

So True Pat, how can China continue on its path to destroy America without the GOP's help.

WWW. DonatetoRepublicanssoChina cancontinue DestroyingAMERICANOw.GOP

You Betcha!

4Nik8tor: did you send in donations to your favorite teabag candidate? Time is running out. Or do you just prefer to sit it out and let other countries foot the bill? Like your party always does.

Me anguished? Not likely. I'm going to be around long after the GOP is history as the younger generations realize how corrupt the GOP really is.

Chill, Pat, take a few Prozac. Your anguish will be over soon and Obama will be neutered.

Didn't think Jesse Jackson was allowed to get close to Obama, ever since:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/archive/236/news/2008/07/10/cable_news_anchors_choking_on_7663.html

Oh, you mean "Politically neutered".

Never mind.

Joanna, name me 3 specific job bill proposals from the GOP and how they will create jobs, how many and when. Please explain the plan. If your stooges are going to get elected, shouldnt they have a plan? Or are you just another idiot tea bagger who votes without being informed?

Please explain the GOP plan for creatring jobs in the 6 months you will have top produce results before we all start asking the GOP...'So Where are the Jobs?"

HEY PAT----Why don't you question the AFL CIO? They get donations from foreign entities. You see, both sides do it. Probably the most it happened was when OBUMER ran. ALL those donations with NO understanding of where they came from. WOULD NOT come clean about where all that money came from. WHERE'S the investigation? Why don't we ask George Soros?? Again, Dems cannot run on their record right now, so they use the Sol Alinsky tactics of attack. Carl Rove was so long ago, why does he name even matter in THIS election??? ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK...let's debate the issues

Well Tim, I'm a regular here, and I've previously discussed all the answers you seek, so it's time you do a little research on your own to find that information.

And Tim, do tell, did you ask these same questions of Obama? Or did you think spending trillions of borrowed dollars was the answer to the job issues of the country? Turns out it isn't, right Tim? It's been a colossal failure.

Tim: Or are you just another idiot tea bagger who votes without being informed?

Well, same question to you Tim. Without the insulting reference of course.

"Why don't you question the AFL CIO? They get donations from foreign entities. You see, both sides do it."

Well, not really, though it's nice to see someone watched George Will on "Meet the Press". Though it is true there are several foreign (Canadian) Unions in the AFL-CIO, unions are required to disclose all donations of more than $5,000. Anonymity is not allowed:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/oct/12/george-will/george-will-claims-afl-cio-receives-dues-foreign-e/

You can go to the Dept. of Labor's website to search for all contributions made by the AFL-CIO here:

http://erds.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQry.do

UNIONS AND MOVEON.ORG ALL RECEIVE FOREIGN DONATIONS but that doesnt mean they are spent on elections, and neither does it mean the commerce group . this is a straw man argument and everyone knows it. your grasping and its fun to watch, but the real fun on these blogs is going to be on november 3 lol P.S. YOU LEFTIES ARE MISINFORMED, AND I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.

AND FOR YOU FAR LEFT LOONS YOU KNOW WHATS GOING ON AND ITS GOING TO BE FUN WATCHING YOUR HEADS EXPLODE

Good one, Terry. They only know how to whine and blockade the Senate.

TERRY--How about that HC bill??? Over 2,000 pages that the REPS had nothing to do with. WHY??BECAUSE they were not allowed to be engaged. MOST DEMS were not allowed to be engaged. Deals being made behind closed doors. The Reps in Congress have the most DOCTORS amongst them. DON'T you think their input could have been valuable?? That bill should have NOT been written by LAWYERS. What do LAWYERS know about HC?? That bill was supposed to be a joint effort amongst medical ppl. Like DR'S, Nurses, Hosp' Executives & Ins. Reps. I was in Medical for 18yrs. I read more about that bill than our Congress did. Have a bunch of those pages in front of me right now. WHAT CRAP!! Read that friggin' piece of trash. THAT'S what it is. TRASH!!! Did nothing to rein in premiums and that's what is killing middle America. Our insurance went up again. My monthly payments are MORE than my mortgage. Some good points in there, but like 97% of it garbage and YOU DO NEED a law degree to read most of it. Health insurance is NOT a right in this country. All they did was guarantee that the govt' will take over our HC in a few yrs. This is literally forcing out insurance companies all over our country. GO ask Europe & Canada how their socialized medicine is working out.

Hate to use the little needle of facts to burst you two's bubble, but:

The six Republican ideas suggested in the health-care reform bill: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/five_compronises_in_health_car.html

Empowering Patients First Act (Republican Study Committee Health Care Reform Bill, introduced July 30, 2009)

Improving Health Care for All Americans Act (Shadegg Health Care Reform Bill, introduced July 14, 2009)

Medical Rights & Reform Act (Kirk-Dent Health Care Reform Bill, introduced June 16, 2009)

Help Efficient, Accessible, Low-cost, Timely Healthcare (HEALTH) Act (Gingrey medical liability reform bill, introduced June 6, 2009)

Small Business Health Fairness Act of 2009 (Johnson small business health plans bill, introduced May 21, 2009)

Promoting Health and Preventing Chronic Disease through Prevention and Wellness Programs for Employees, Communities, and Individuals Act of 2009 (Castle Wellness & Prevention Bill, introduced July 31, 2009)

Improved Employee Access to Health Insurance Act of 2009 (Deal auto-enrollment bill, introduced October 15, 2009)

Health Insurance Access for Young Workers and College Students Act of 2009 (Blunt bill to improve health insurance coverage of dependents, introduced October 21, 2009)

All three of my kids are pissed at Obama "they "the younger generation expected Obama the minute he was finished being sworn in to turn and say "BRING THEM ALL HOME"...

Thanks for sharing with us that you raised three classic examples of the instant gratification crowd!

Your children should be educated that in the REAL world nothing happens over night... ESPECIALLY when it comes to politics!

BTW - I thought the PUMA's were extinct? Apparently there's still a few clinging to their 'hopes'!

Yep, the Pumas are still alive, just irrelevant as they always were.

Not buying....apparently they were too young to understand the principle of flip-flop:

NO lobbyist...oh...wait...YES!

NO earmarks...oh...wait...YES!

NO backroom deals...oh...wait...YES!

NO partisanship...oh...wait....YES!

....but then again....

YES...an ethical administration...oh...wait...NO!

YES...close Gitmo within a year....oh...wait...NO!

YES....bring the troops home right away...oh...wait...NO!

YES...immigration reform in the first year...oh...wait...NO!

YES....Transparency in government...oh...wait...NO!

YES...bills posted on the internet before voting...oh....wait...NO!

After the "youths" grow up, and get jobs, and start families, they realize who is paying for all these "rights" they think everyone has, they realize that there is a balance between the environment and good paying jobs, they realize wind energy won't power the office building, and they realize that life isn't a pipe dream, but it is a reality that makes people make choices and hold certain beliefs, and they realize that now they have gained much wisdom with their age. They also realize that they have become Republicans.

JoAnnaS. I've read a lot of hooey from the right but everyday new levels are reached by some. Sorry but your argument has no basis for reality.

stts

You'll be getting a new basis of reality real soon now Jody. In about 19 days.

Enjoy!

stts to you too hon.

JoAnna,

The Dems are running their mouths quite actively now as the FEAR of reality begins to creep up on them. The youth of today can now see the HARSH REALITY of Obama's failed leadership. Even members of his own staff have been bailing-out at a hurried pace.

Only one thing left for libbies to do....... attack, blame Bush, rationalize and spin the truth as much as possible.

NEUTER IN NOVEMBER !!!!!! Neuter Obama politically so he can do no more harm.

JoAnna,

I'm not in the clique......what does stts mean?

proud republican-1888838

JoAnna,

I'm not in the clique......what does stts mean?

Who knows. It appears to be part of the Libs own little language they developed among themselves. Any time you see it, you never see them again, at least in that thread. I think it means that they are so angry, confused and frustrated that they're giving up.

Jim, their spin is not quite what it once was, either.

I am guessing that it was easier to spin the ephemeral; now that there are actual things to try to spin, ( such as almost a trillion for shovel ready jobs that Obama now says are nonexistent), they are having a difficult time.

They are left with only the Alinsky tactics of diverting attention from the issues, and trying to focus attention on false accusations.

It ain't working. . .

Joanna doesn't know what 'stts' means, so she goes ahead and uses it as though she does. And we trust her with the vote, WHY??

Please explain to me how a small majority in the house is going to allow the republicans to do anything. If you listen to the conservatives on here you would think they were going to take all 3 houses in Nov. which, of course, can't happen. I guess the republicans have been so beaten up here lately that any type of victory gives them delusions of grandeur.

??? 3 houses????

YA ITS NOT A SURPRISE THEY VOTE DEMOCRAT...........THEY WOULD NEED A REAL EDUCATION TO VOTE ANY OTHER WAY. If they were taught what the democratic party used to be , what it turned into, and then what it has become they would not view it the same way. the propaganda taught in our schools is disturbing to say the least, and the wool that has been pulled over generations of poor Americans is insulting.

here is a site you all need to go and see made by a Black man

http://blackquillandink.com/

I'll attest to that, hahahaha

That reminds me of the old saying:

Any young person who isn't a liberal, doesn't have a heart.

And any old person who isn't a conservative, doesn't have a brain.

Tell me that joke when the republicans cut funding on your medicare and any other social programs aimed at seniors. It will be much funnier when you're living with your kids. Just hilarious...

D-Nice....thanks to previous politicians, Republicans and Democrats alike, medicare currently has over $30 TRILLION in unfunded liability. Social Security has over $5 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities. Based on the governments reputation, Obamacare will only add to this.

Our children and grandchildren will be bankrupt and lucky if they have a house for us to share with them.

Well said. The corporations shipping jobs overseas for cheap labor are short-sighted because if there are no well paying jobs here, it will not matter how cheap their products are. Those corporations are making a profit today but they are eliminating their future consumers one by one.

we volunteered for Obama b/c he said things that resonated with us... and he seemed to be sincere about it (i believe he is, and his actions thus far reinforce that for the most part).

just like teabaggers create silly signs and whine on blogs all day because they are motivated by what Limbaugh, Beck and Palin have to say (none of whom are actually elected officials or in office which is weird - and accountable to know one.... i wish i got attention every time i posted something on Facebook ot Twitter as if it was actual work or meant anything)... but no one is accusing them of being celebrities or pop-icons.

When did conservatives become the whiners in America? and what are you trying to conserve at this point?

i mean 2011

sincerely,

Millennial

Good to hear from you, Intrepid. As an early Iowa supporter and caucus attendee, I'm much older but can say that President Obama inspired me as an older voter as much as did John F. Kennedy when I was too young to vote. Pres Obama has vision, a vision worth listening to and fighting for, no matter how long it takes.

Fired Up and Ready to Go. Vote Nov 2, it matters.

government doesnt create jobs, it just impedes jobs................what does the government produce? shovels perhaps? for all those shovel ready jobs?

A republican senate has blocked President Obama's Federal Reserve Board member nominee, Peter Diamond, since April, they claim he is unqualified--he just won the Nobel Prize for Economics. There are hundreds of others being held up by the GOP along with about 400 pieces of legislation passed by the House.

People are angry but they should be angry at a group of 40 GOP senators who block everything including legislation that would have helped many Americans.

40? Add twelve more and you've got a pro football team. Man that is a lot of right wing politicans binding up the works!

You must be proud. Make it so that the young don't vote because you don't agree with their ideas. :) You are a great person that really values Democracy!

more of the same rhetoric and lies? older ones know better? i thought the reason you conservatives were so upset was because Obama was trying to change too much... and too much to the left?

Also, if you older folk know so much better... how did you get his country into this mess? and why are we still debating climate change and the environment, gay civil rights, campaign finance, right to choose, healthcare, immigration, nuclear arms, endless wars, failed education system, crumbling infrastructure, economic recession etc. etc. etc.... lets move past some of this crap and stop the boomer bickering

oh and i still have hope for the progressive agenda and Obama... but am upset with how the gop is preventing any change at all.

@Intrepid Albatross:

You must be a blundering dolt! Are you seriously blaming the stalling of all of your listed issues on an older generation of conservatives? So, I ask you, how many years of Democratic Presidents have we had in the last 50 years? Go ahead and name ONE that truly helped with the issues you addressed.

I think both sides are to blame, but I also think you need to take an objective view at prior adminstrations before spouting off and blaming others.

I am neither Lib or Cons....I'm somewhere in between, and recognize the failures of both "causes."

Intrepid made some pretty intelligent comments that seem to be well thought out, and what did the other side say to counter, they called him a dolt and presented a completely lame argument. The other simply said that older people know better, wow what an argument. He might as well had said, "I've lived in the trailer park my whole life and barely finished high school, but I'm old so I know everything, Glenn Beck told me, he's like a teacher on TV."

Be careful intripid. Those older folks brought you into this world and they can take you out as well. Forget it. Go ahead and be careless.

not careless... fearless ;)

@D-Nice...

Are you married to the Albatross? Way to play defense.

Funny....can't the term Albatross be used to describe a hindrance or obstacle? Ironic, huh?!?

Anyway, I wasn't laying blame on any political side. I was just asking our "Fearless Seagull" to take an objective look at history. Both Libs and Cons/Dems and Reps are to blame for this mess. Of course, you won't see it that way, because it isn't an easy pill to swallow. It always HAS to be someone else's fault....no accountability for your parties failures. I will give you credit, while you were quick to admonish my calling Intrepid a dolt, you were also pretty quick on the draw to throw out your own trailer park reference. Looks like even liberals can be seething and spiteful!

Awesome way to live, my friend...simply awesome! No run along, play nice, and try to color within the lines you simpleton!

Hey, read up a little on economics. Oh and I love how you complain about debt. When two wars by bush makes us pay 632 Bil a year. So you complain about Tarp and Stimulus when they actually had measured effects (by the CBO). Yet you don't give a @!$%# about the military spending which equals the spending of Obama, in just two years.

@Progressive:

Really....Really?!? Bush singlehandedly waged war and ran the country into debt? Let's not forget that there were a couple of instances where the Democrats had control during the Bush administration. Those elected officials (Rep and Dem) mishandled many policies and issues. They are ALL at fault, as is this current administration.

But hey, that's what we get for voting for those that are appealing and hip instead of those with solid and proven track records. I'm not saying that McCain would have done better....because I doubt it. What I'm saying is that there has been NO REAL substance with those officials whom we have voted to office in the last 10 years. That is aimed less at our Presidents and more at hour Congress.

Democrats caused the debt? The right wing complains about debt but it has been republican presidents who created a whopping 333% of it--Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 created and own 333% of the debt. That's not made up talking points, that is fact. The GOP has not been fiscally responsible since 1981; the GOPers are the tax cuts, big spenders creating more government not less.

LOL @ Progressive (Or maybe just stupid) ... Are you and idiot? Do YOU know why we are at war in Afghanistan goofball? Because they allowed terrorists to setup training camps there. And then they plotted and flew airplanes into our buildings. Get it yet? Go back to sleep you moron.

Active Member Service Duty or whoever u r... you have a lot of time to call people names online. Any ideas? or could you point to any ideas that would get us out of Afghanistan in the near future?

I do respect our service men and women (many of my family members are in the service or have been).

Oh Intrepid, this is not personal...just an outlet for political banter. No disrespect meant.

Now that I've said, "I'm sowwy" do you feel better?

Ahhh....the tender-hearted, soft-skinned youth of today.

Much to my dismay, I have no idea how to get us out of A-Stan. Of course, if I had a plethora of experts at my disposal I suppose I would. Unfortunately, there is no one in this country with a slew of experts ready to make that decision....oh wait, yes there is...our President. I've been to that country three times now, and do not want to go back, but I gladly will if it keeps your children or my children from having to clean up this mess.

Oh, and this is my lunch break.

What makes me sad is that these midterm elections don't appear to reflect the will of the majority. The only way the GOP can have any victories in November is if they maintain the "Enthusiasm gap". Americans hate the Republicans more than the party in power, the majority Democrats.

However, that won't be reflected if the Democratic voters can't be encouraged to exercise their right to vote. On the other hand, I sort of hope a few of the craziest teabaggers gets elected (Angle, Paul, etc.). For one thing, they will learn quickly how little one newbie representative can actually change in Washington. For another, when the teabaggers see that things haven't changed in 6 months, and they haven't "taken their country back" (whatever that means), the anger-fueled enthusiasm will quickly disperse.

Plus, we need a few nutty politicians. SNL hasn't had much to satirize without Sarah Palin running for anything.

Need a few nutty politicians? what the H@llto you think Nancy, dod, barney and the vp are? you can throw obama in there too, sure ain't rocket scientists

Direct hit kip.

first of all - i think our democratic process is "cool" (except that now corporations and foreign money are manipulating the playing field - thanks GOP)

how does it make you "sad" that a new generation is picking up the torch of democracy and participating? so you dont agree with us... that's not our fault or a reason not to respect our votes the same you would your own. historically, we are one of the hardest votes to earn in this country... its not like we just pick someone who seems cool and show up to vote for them, work for their campaign, donate money and convince our parents and peers to do the same... candidates need to earn and Obama has

Somebody elses fart always smells worse than yours. Is that what you are trying to say? I find that to be true myself.

very smelly indeed

Ben in oil, Best thing on the radio is a left winger tell us that more Taxes will make more jobs, Save people on death row and it is O.K. to kill the unborn, Government needs a active roll in raising a child, your property is not for you to do what you want, give up your guns, don't say something that upsets people because that's not what freedom of speech is all about, government health care, government food stamps, government housing, carbon taxes, clean expensive energy tax, Federal sales tax, expensive government studies, protecting unions from anything they want, and the list of liberal programs to fix failed liberal programs is just what we need to hear! The do gooders that do more harm then good. Get them on the radio, let the people really hear what they got to say! There are Even some left wingers have no idea what they are standing up for! Bet Rush would love to have a 3 hour lefty on before his show goes live, oh the fun he would have, got to have values of self worth and pride, not a give me something for nothing because of poor me to make it on the radio! Give it up, go get a job, and take care of family first!! Oh did you want the government to do that for you? If that's the case, lets all quit our jobs, then what? November is coming and we are voting the Democ-rats out! Good luck when your hand outs are gone! After Obama, democrats are going to have a hard time getting any office, the liberal are now exposed for who they really are. Blame Bush is not going to save anyone! Nice mess Obama, say good by to your Washington puppets!!!!!!

We certainly can't afford another 4 years of this bunch of buffoons. 4 more years of their unbridled spending and vote buying with your tax dollars will send this country into a downward spiral that we will never recover from. Spending money we don't have won't work for them any better than it will for you.. But then again since Mommy and Daddy still pay your way in life you probably don't understand all those grown up things yet huh? Don't worry someday you will realize the government isnt going to take care of you like Mommy and Daddy do. You will have to do that for yourself.

"Obama is an empty suit that points fingers and blames everyone else. Blathering on and on. This is the future of our country."

oh weird... you guys should totally hang out - u have so much in common