McAdams 'ties' himself to Ted Stevens

Scott McAdams, the Democrat running in Alaska's three-way Senate contest, is up with his first TV ad, distinguishing himself from Joe Miller (R) and Lisa Murkowski (write-in).

"If it takes a tie to finally get the same share of oil royalties as Louisiana, then I'll wear one," McAdams says in the ad, as he tries on different neckties. "And if it takes a tie to stop Joe and Lisa from outsourcing our jobs to China or our tax dollars to the Lower 48, then that's a good reason, too."

The end, however, shows him pulling out an Incredible Hulk tie, which the late Sen. Ted Stevens (R) used to wear in the Senate.

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Well it's coming up on that time of the week. I don't know about you'll folks but I'm about wore out. But as usual we've all had a good time. Giggled a little at each other. Tweaked each other a mite. Had to rub on a bruise or two. Don't look like no permanent harm has befallen anybody. So before I slide on out the door down to the Dew Drop Inn to make sure the Juke Box has gotten refilled with all the latest requests and we've got that extra bartender to make sure that everybody gets their favorites just right I want to pass on a thought.

This is probably the last week in most states for everybody to get registered to vote if they haven't already done so. So if you'll ain't already done it get it taken care of. No excuses now you hear. Especially you'll young folks. Now I know that you'll young fellows always have a chase in mind ( having gotten somewhat P.C. in my old age I'll leave the gender up to your discretion) and you'll young ladies have about the same thing in mind( again not getting into that gender thing). A lot of the rest of you have diapers to change and Little League games, PeeWee football practices and school things to get to. But if the last ten years hasn't taught you'll anything else it should have taught you'll that this is important

You see I've been kind of paying attention to all the crowd scenes last couple of years and quite frankly most of what I've seen is a bunch of Old Leaguers hollering and a yammering about their interests. It's your time that's coming Youngsters and its time you'll stood up and quit letting us oldsters set the agenda. You'll have got the education, energy, vigor and drive to move us forward into a brave New World. Time for you'll to start hollering back. Do it at the ballot box.

Being an Independent I truly don't care if you register for either Party or none of the above. I just want you to consider two things:

First of all pay real close attention to the relative intelligence level that you are voting for. If somebody can't sit down at the table with somebody and at least articulate a position that makes sense either pro or con then they probably aren't going to do either you or me a darn bit of good. Same with somebody that won't even deign set down at the table. When they do this they are showing a basic lack of respect for both you and I and the rest of citizenry. Don't buy into this old "well their just like me routine" Pretty good chance if this is all that they're bringing to the dance that no they're not just like you because you're smarter than they are and could do a better job in the position.

Second small thing is how about cutting me a little break and let me collect a little back on my investment in Social Security and Medicare before you'll send somebody up to Washington to throw it in the Wall Street whirlpool and watch it drown. Just a year or two anyway so's I'll feel just a little better about things. Maybe a better thought would be to remind you'll that ageing is an inevitable symptom of living. All of you'll are going to get there sooner or later. Last I checked nobody gets out of this world alive unless they work for NASA.

As always my thanks and appreciation to our hosts for their time, giving me a little place to stand, a subject to comment on, a forum to put it in, and their indulgence when I don't quite get it right or get a little off subject. I purely do appreciate it. Hope you'll have a fine weekend and good fun among folks that you know and love. To my fellow participants keep well, keep safe, and keep the faith. We'll make it. See you'll next week

Barkeep set everybody up a round somebody throw a Quarter in the music machine and let's get this little shindig started before the RH ex ST figures out where I'm at and drags me back up on the Hill.

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Reply#1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 1:45 PM EDT

Very nice, VA redneck. I'm with you however the topic is the three way split in the great frozen North where the Rs are fighting with one another splitting their party so the Ds can come in, united, and win. That's exciting and great news for the end of the week.

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#1.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 1:51 PM EDT

Actually Adler, All polls show that Murkowski is taking votes away from the Democrat.. Not the republican

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#1.2 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 1:54 PM EDT

Actually Fellows I do owe an apology to Mr. Murray but maybe week after next I'll be able to speak a little better to the state of Alaska politics. Supposed to spend the weekend with my In-laws and they've lived up there for about 20 years. Since I won't have a chance to renew my small base of knowledge about that part of the world until then so I'll know I'm not passing on a bum steer and I'm sliding on out of here in about ten minutes I figured Mr. Murray wouldn't mind to much if I closed out the week in his good company.

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#1.3 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:04 PM EDT

Hello IR,

Excellent posting...

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#1.4 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT

Great comment, IR. Perfect end to the FR week. It may not address Alaska specifically but the yelping and yammering from the Tea Partyers is why Joe Miller beat Murkowski.

Now, I'll all for people getting involved in elections, protesting and letting their voices be heard but being angry isn't finding a solution and many of their ideas would just add to the problems. The very things they are angry about are the very things democrats are angry about--too much powerful interest influence on Government. But those who get the most support from big business and prefer deregulation and let whatever happens, happen are republicans--trouble is what happened was a near Great Depression because of all that big business influence and deregulation.

Republicans want to privatize social security because that way it is a real way for citizens to save money. They seem to forget that we citizens, most of us, have 401Ks, IRAs, savings accounts--social security is our safety net when those others things are drowned by WallStreet, as the Redneck puts it. It is more importantly, the only income for those who barely make ends meet week to week--they don't have the financial advisors or much of a savings. That is why social security should NEVER be outsourced.

See ya at the Dew Drop.

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#1.5 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT

IR- "play that country jukebox" (a quarter, or a dime).

By Don Imus, of all people!

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#1.6 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:44 PM EDT
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See you there IR!

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Reply#2 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:00 PM EDT

It's Official - The Stimulus Isn't A Waste Of Money

People of good faith can disagree over whether President Obama's $787 billion stimulus package is creating enough jobs, piling on too much debt, or helping the country in the long run. But it's about time to retire one set of critiques of the stimulus: that it would be riddled with fraud, hamstrung by delays, and crippled by cost overruns. So far, while the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is clearly not a political success, it is just as clearly a managerial success - on schedule, under budget, and according to independent investigators, remarkably free of fraud.

Yesterday, the administration met its self-imposed deadline of spending 70% of the Recovery Act, or $551 billion, by the end of the fiscal year. Almost all of the unspent stimulus money is already committed to specific projects, except for a few longer-range initiatives like high-speed rail and electronic health records. And the completed work has cost less than expected, so the savings have financed over 3,000 additional projects, from airport improvements in Atlanta to new child-care centers at military bases in Louisiana, North Carolina, Mississippi and Oklahoma, from a new five-lane road in Jacksonville to a $14.5 million transformation of a World War 2 ammunition factory into an eco-friendly government building in St. Louis. http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1964765_1964764,00.html">(See TIME's special report "After One Year, A Stimulus Report Card.")

Meanwhile, Earl Devaney, the hard-nosed watchdog leading the independent Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, recently testified to Congress that investigators "simply haven't seen the kind of fraud that we would have imagined as professional law enforcement." Before the stimulus passed, experts predicted the government would lose 5% to 7% of it to fraud; today, out of over 190,000 contracts, grants and loans, less than 0.2% are under investigation. The board is using newfangled computer algorithms that can track suspicious spending patterns before there's a complaint; the inspectors general of every major agency are bird-dogging the stimulus as well. Devaney likes to say that if you really want to steal, you'd be crazy to steal from the Recovery Act; it's way too transparent, with every dollar traceable at www.recovery.gov, and there are way too many eyes on it.

That transparency has sometimes carried a political price; for example, innocuous reporting errors on the website quickly became national news about stimulus money supposedly funneled to phantom congressional districts. At the same time, GOP Senators Tom Coburn and John McCain have targeted a slew of Recovery Act projects they consider wasteful; although some waste is in the eye of the beholder, it's probably safe to assume that the $762,000 for interactive dance software and the $18,500 to paint a mural on a Montana band shell could be better spent elsewhere. And Devaney's staff has identified several ineligible contract recipients, leading to the cancellation of at least $18 million worth of grants. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2013683,00.html">(See how the stimulus is changing America.)

But those are pretty small dents on a $787 billion chassis. In the words of Vice President Joe Biden, the administration's point man on the stimulus, fraud has been "the dog that hasn't barked." At the same time, concerns that excessive vigilance against fraud would slow the pace of spending don't seem to have panned out, either.

"There were a lot of dire predictions, but we've found ways to make them not come true," says Ed DeSeve, who oversees the stimulus out of Biden's office. "It wasn't fate or kismet. It was the actions of lots and lots of people."

It was the hard-driving, motor-mouthed vice president who set the tone, promising state and local officials that all their stimulus-related questions would be answered within 24 hours, harassing Cabinet secretaries to get their money out the door, pestering his staff to make sure nothing fishy slipped through the cracks, appearing at fifty-six Recovery Act events around the country. Biden talked incessantly about government becoming more responsive, more accountable, more effective. He personally blocked 260 projects that flunked his smell test, including a $120,000 Army Corps of Engineers plan to print brochures about a lake cleanup. "We said, hey, man, no brochures, put it on a website," Biden recalled in an interview this summer. "Stupid thing, but it saved that dollar amount." http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1895156_1894977,00.html">(See the top 10 Joe Biden gaffes.)

Another example of Biden's responsiveness: Last June, Republican Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas complained that stimulus money was about to fund a resurfacing of Highway 96 in Cherokee County, just in time for more stimulus money to fund a nearby Superfund cleanup requiring heavy trucks that would rip up the road again. The next day, Biden called the Department of Transportation: "I said, hey, man, don't pave the road before the project is finished with the heavy trucks. Flip it." Roberts promptly thanked him on the Senate floor: "The White House moved in an expeditious fashion, and quite frankly, I didn't expect they could move that fast." http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2022781,00.html#comments">(Comment on this story.)

It's not that the implementation of the Recovery Act has been glitch-free; for example, a $5 billion program to weatherize low-income homes got off to a dreadfully slow start. But the problems weren't allowed to fester, and now the program is back on track. DeSeve holds conference calls with all the agencies twice a week, and Biden has demanded monthly reports on every project in his bailiwick; if anyone's got a problem with that, he told the Cabinet, take it up with the president.

With unemployment still so high, the administration's successful oversight of the stimulus does have an otherwise-did-you-enjoy-the-play-Mrs.-Lincoln feel. The recovery remains tepid, so the Recovery Act remains unpopular. The White House says there would be 3 million more unemployed Americans without it, and many independent economists agree, but the "failed stimulus" has become a Republican symbol of everything wrong with Obama's Washington. Even most Democrats - including the president himself - won't utter the word "stimulus" in public anymore.

But so far: no indictments, no major scandals, no missed deadlines, no busted budgets. Hey, man: That's more than good enough for government work.

__________

This is the government we needed and deserve. The GOP is just going to undo it all. Why? Because evidently "the people" are angry over the stimulus. lol

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599202278100

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#3 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:08 PM EDT

Hahahah.. this Report that comes from a White House Report that touts their Stimulous as a success. that pretty much Sums it up..

What would you expect out of this White House Honesty? lol what a joke. Do you think they are gonna tell the Truth about their own Program and Report that its actually nothing but Payoffs..

  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:12 PM EDT

Think Progress:

Thune (a Republican of course), tries to wiggle out of his TARP vote as the program comes to an end, Possibly Earning Profits

On Sunday, the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), enacted late in the Bush administration to prop up the financial system, will expire, having cost taxpayers a fraction of its original $700 billion. The program is now projected to cost less than $50 billion, and could even end up earning a profit as the government sells off assets...

While there are certainly legitimate concerns about TARP, Thune's isn't one of them. As Matt Yglesias notes, the TARP "looks set to go down in history as one of the most unfairly maligned policy initiatives of all time." A recent study by two leading economists concluded that without the program, the economy would have 8.5 million fewer jobs than there are now, and that the unemployment rate would exceed 15 percent. But apparently Thune is more interested in appeasing the rabid right-wing base than defending his own vote.

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#3.2 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:19 PM EDT

The Real Question is ,, Why is it that the Democrats are not running on any of there own so called Accomplishments that they Shoved down the American peoples Throat.. Not only are they Running from Programs like HCR But they are Running from their own Party Leader. Obama

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#3.3 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:29 PM EDT

TARP never should have been necessary. So we'll get some or most of our money back, which ignores the Fed's commensurate expansion of the money supply through zero interest loans to the Financial institutions so they could play the stock market rise to pay us back, and avoid having to LOAN money into an economy who's life's blood is the currency of debt and the repayment of it.

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#3.4 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:30 PM EDT

@Steve-505729: Did you read Pat's post or did you just gum the keyboard?

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#3.5 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:31 PM EDT

My post stand on their own. what is your point

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#3.6 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:36 PM EDT

Steve, me? I didn't delete anything.

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#3.7 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:38 PM EDT

@Steve-505729: Sure, if you mean a point of hollow stupidity. ;)

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#3.8 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:40 PM EDT

Today's Republicans are stupid. All of them. They should be running from their lack of accomplishments. They have none. Zero. No ideas. No accomplishments. No anything.

I have faith in President Obama. Always have.

And haven't regretted it for one minute.

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#3.9 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:42 PM EDT

What are you talking about Pat.

Exodite Dragon, Yes you describe yourself perfectly.. Thanks for doing that so i didnt have to

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#3.10 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:43 PM EDT

Oh @!$%#, that's right. I forgot - you're incapable of making sense. My bad. :p

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#3.11 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:44 PM EDT

The problem with most Democrats is that they think they are Smarter then anyone, they believe they have all the Answers, then when they watch their Elected Officials Fail, they then resort to calling people from the other party Stupid. the Reason they do this is because they know they have lost the Debate.. See 2 can play that game.

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#3.12 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT

Yes Pat. Thank God we have folks like you to guide us and lead us through our utter stupidity. I mean, if it weren't for loving and kind people like you I wouldn't be able to do anything at all.

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#3.13 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:47 PM EDT

Exodite. Dragon the problem with your Arguement is you have none.

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#3.14 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT

Why, thank you Kirby. (snark, of course)

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#3.15 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT

Dragon-

You should know that critics of Obama and the Dem controlled Congress aren't going to be bothered with reports coming from the White House or any other location so long as they are not hyper-critical of what has been done in the past 2 years. I don't consider myself to be a very partisan person and have voted for both Dems and Republicans over the years, but the Congressional Republicans currently in office I find to be absolutely infuriating. While a certain amount of partisanship is to be expected, this has gone far beyond what I would expect during a time of economic trouble. Every single thing that Obama and Congress have pushed through has been aimed at shoring up a hemorrhaging economy...from the Auto Bailouts to the Stimulus Act to the Healthcare Reform Act. Instead of working with Dems, Congressional Republicans have stonewalled every single piece of legislation- even tax cuts for small businesses!!! What this tells me is that Republicans have had a vested interest in keeping the economy as anemic as possible going into the Nov. elections to make democrats vulnerable. They refuse to acknowledge how these measures helped prevent a depression and have convinced a large portion of the population that they were simply a huge waste of money. They seem to have made a strategic decision in which they calculate that an Obama failure = Republican success. What they either fail to realize or fail to care about is that an Obama failure also equals a failure for this country. For this reason, I don't see myself voting Republican again for a very long time.

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#3.16 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT

Exodite. Dragon the problem with your Arguement is you have none.

lol wut

@Jeff.T: I'm just @!$%#in' with Steve-o. Dude takes this way, way, way too seriously. Appreciate the sentiment, tho'.

    #3.17 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT

    "Dude takes this way, way, way too seriously."

    lol. I was thinking the same exact thing.

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    #3.18 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:58 PM EDT

    Its a Curious thing when Democrats Claim they are for keeping taxes the Same for 98 percent of americans and Raising them on 2 percent of Americans and then instead of actually proposing any Bill that would do this. They Vote to Recess Congress and Run home to their Collective states..

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    #3.19 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT

    And now, a haiku in honor of Steve:

    Derp-derp-derp-derp-derp.

    Derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp!

    Derpity-derp-derp.

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    #3.20 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT

    Tony Curtis died. Yesterday I think. I read sometime ago that he was on the ship as an eyewitness as the Japanese were surrendering during WWII.

      #3.21 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:09 PM EDT

      Yes Sad that he Died, I had never heard that he was on the Missouri, when they surrendered. i should look into that

        #3.22 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT

        My stimulus article is all there, then it's only half there, then it's all there again. Strange.

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        #3.23 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:17 PM EDT

        Pat, Boston,MA,

        Today's Republicans are stupid. All of them. They should be running from their lack of accomplishments. They have none. Zero. No ideas. No accomplishments. No anything.

        So you're able to judge people, just by what party they are associated with, but you can't (or won't) judge Obama? Interesting.

        You see Pat, there's the rub. You and your ilk think the people in Washington DC are the smart ones, the ones if just we just trust them and believe in them, will somehow lead us to prosperity. For what's it worth, the people in Washington don't have a clue about much of anything. Most are lawyers that know the rules on how to pass a bill, or conduct a filibuster, but that's about it.

        Obama even put together the greatest team of economic academics ever assembled (at least if you listen to the way he tells the story) Romer, Ortzag, Summers, Geithner (who couldn't even figure out how to pay his taxes). Superheros to liberals "cuz they is just so smart cuz they has a lot of skooling". We've seen how that worked out.

        I have faith in President Obama. Always have.

        That's the main element of a kool-aide drinker, unable to be critical or to judge to the ones you worship.

        And haven't regretted it for one minute.

        A lot of voters capable of being objective of Obama and his policies will judge Obama and the Democrats for their actions in just over a month. Many that voted for him in 2008 are regretting it today.

        • 4 votes
        #3.24 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:32 PM EDT

        Steve- they didn't 'Vote' to recess, their scheduled recess simply started. And there is no point in them proposing something they know will be shot down by Senate Republicans through a fillibuster.

        Personally, I think the tax cuts should expire for anyone making 100,000 or more. Those tax rates seemed to work just fine for most folks before Bush lowered them. Arguing over tax cuts for 2% of the population is kind of pointless. By keeping the current tax rates in place means a shortfall of 4 trillion dollars. By keeping them in place for all but those making 200,000 means a shortfall of 3 trillion. With a budget deficit having been run for 29 of the past 30 years, why is that even an issue worth wasting political capital over?

        And by the way, Republicans can't have it both ways- they either want to balance the budget, which will mean tax increases, or they don't. It seems to me that all this talk of 'runaway spending' and 'returning to a balanced budget' is yet another election year ploy. It sounds good in a 15 second TV add, but becomes absolutely meaningless on Nov. 3rd.

        • 2 votes
        #3.25 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:37 PM EDT

        And just to bring the week to its close, we have JS1 purporting to know what those who voted for Obama think. Going to say this one more time, and hope some of you take it to heart. When you invoke trite phrases like "kool aid" drinker, you show all of us that you are not capable of serious thought. That stopped being clever an awfully long time ago, except for people who do not engage in original thought. And, I agree with you, Pat. I think President Obama has done a terrific job in the face of some mighty long odds. It is only the disingenuous that can't see that.

        • 6 votes
        #3.26 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:39 PM EDT

        It's Official - The Stimulus Isn't A Waste Of Money

        So far, while the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is clearly not a political success, it is just as clearly a managerial success - on schedule, under budget, and according to independent investigators, remarkably free of fraud. Yesterday, the administration met its self-imposed deadline of spending 70% of the Recovery Act, or $551 billion, by the end of the fiscal year.

        So what is being celebrated is that the government ran the process to spend the money, borrowed money added to the deficit, to perfection. They managed to spend the amount money, borrowed money, record deficit money, in the time they allotted themselves to spend it.

        Glory be.

        Never mind that the "8% unemployment tops" promise wasn't met, millions of jobs were lost, most of the money fed the enlargement of government and did not stimulate private businesses, "Recovery Summer" came and went, we are told by Obama/Biden every month that "We've turned the corner" only to find out that we haven't turned the corner.

        But the government is spending money, borrowed money, deficit money, money future generations will be burdened with paying the interest and principle on, at the rate they said they would.

        Glory be.

        • 5 votes
        #3.27 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:43 PM EDT

        Thanks for posting this information, Pat. The naysayers will continue to naysay despite outside economists, and outside think tanks reporting the facts.

        The President, Vice President and staff worked very hard for the American people. We know the stimulus is a success because of the number of republicans handing out stimulus checks and telling their constituents about the jobs it saved and created. Me thinks those GOPers have forked tongues.

        • 3 votes
        #3.28 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:48 PM EDT

        Dawn: When you invoke trite phrases like "kool aid" drinker, you show all of us that you are not capable of serious thought.

        Another judge. Pat knows Republicans are all stupid. Dawn knows what passes for serious thought. So many judges, it's getting to be like American Idol around here.

        I guess we should all make Dawn happy by sticking to trite phrases like "Yes We Can" and "Hope and Change".

        • 4 votes
        #3.29 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:50 PM EDT

        "You see Pat, there's the rub. You and your ilk think the people in Washington DC are the smart ones, the ones if just we just trust them and believe in them, will somehow lead us to prosperity..."

        _______

        No, here's the rub. The GOP culture war is nonsense. Their talking point of so many many years has been "we're the responsible ones - we're the conservative ones" BS. The have run this country into the ground. Those are the facts. They always thought they knew best. And people bought it.

        So yes, I will repeat it one more time - the GOP are stupid. Today's GOP. You want to vote for them, go right ahead. Who cares. You want to believe their empty simple minded nonsense, be my guest.

        President Obama is a responsible intelligent president. And if you and your ilk don't want to believe that, I really don't care. Let the GOP take back the House. Investigate President Obama. That's it. That's all they have. Investigate. Investigate. Investigate.

        That's because they don't have any answers. Any responsible answers.

        • 4 votes
        #3.30 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:50 PM EDT

        "Another judge"

        The GOP have made it their life's work to judge people. No more.

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        #3.31 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT

        But, boy Pat, it is easy to pull JS1's chain, isn't it? Have a good weekend!

        • 3 votes
        #3.32 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:00 PM EDT

        Romer, Ortzag, Summers, Geithner (who couldn't even figure out how to pay his taxes). Superheros to liberals "cuz they is just so smart cuz they has a lot of skooling". We've seen how that worked out.

        Yes, we've all seen how that worked out. I guess everything is a matter of perspective. Critics of Obama’s handling of the economy like to point to the 9.5% unemployment rate and compare it to rosier times (2007-2008, I assume) when it was 4.5%. They use this comparison as proof of how horribly wrong Obama and his team have been with their handling of the economy. Supporters of Obama look at the 9.5% unemployment rate and compare it to what it could have been- 11 to 16%, depending on the source. They use that comparison as proof of how well Obama and his team have been with their handling of the economy.

        For what's it worth, the people in Washington don't have a clue about much of anything.

        Wow. And this from the same post critizing someone for being too judgemental.

        • 4 votes
        #3.33 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:01 PM EDT

        Pat,Boston,MA: President Obama is a responsible intelligent president.

        No. No he's not. He's selling the next generations down the river with his irresponsible spending. He's making promises that he can't keep, like on fixing unemployment, on things like Gitmo, like on illegal immigration reform. He's blaming others for the problems he himself has created. He takes no responsibility for his actions. He's a partisan hack that has no knowledge on how to compromise and work with others that disagree with him, even those that disagree with him from his own party.

        The Republicans were bad at moderating the spending done by the government, and the Democrat came along and said they could do better. The Democrats have proved themselves to be a total failure at doing the same. The Republicans will now get another chance. Lets see if they learned their lesson.

        • 4 votes
        #3.34 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:08 PM EDT

        So, let me understand this. . .

        The stimulus failed to stimulate the economy, as evidenced by the high level of unemployment, generally, and by the specific failure to produce 600,000 jobs by the end of summer 2009, (obama's pronouncement); and the complete failure of the promised Recovery Summer, yet. . .

        Obama has his minions out there extolling how successful it was?

        This is along the lines of touting the recovery, which is anemic, at best.

        I don't.know what happened to his political sense, but it is apparent that he has lost it.

        Is he going to pronounce that the sea level has dropped, too? After all, he did promise he could do that as well. Hey, now that I think about it, he also promised that the earth would cool as a result of his getting the nomination. So, is Obama responsible for last winter's terrible weather?

        • 3 votes
        #3.35 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:10 PM EDT

        Sorry for addressing you directly Dawn. I should know better. I should just talk about you through others, you know, like you do. It appears you got a little kind of weird passive-aggressive thing going on there, you may want to get that checked. Of course that's just my opinion, and I mean no offense. And please don't get too angry with the way things are going for your side. It's really not worth it. I know you have a lot invested in it, but sometimes you just have to let it go.

        • 3 votes
        #3.36 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:18 PM EDT

        No Joe, No Bo, NJ : Is he going to pronounce that the sea level has dropped, too?

        He did. But the numbers on that are in question as the CBO checked it at low tide.

        • 3 votes
        #3.37 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:22 PM EDT

        See what I mean guys, its magic! I post, and poor JS1 comes back with, well, some form of thought, can't quite decide what it might be.

        • 3 votes
        #3.38 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:22 PM EDT

        Here is an open-ended question to those on here who think Obama is a stupid, irresponsible spendthrift partisan hack: In the face of the economic colapse, what would you have done differently, and why? I would truly like to hear some intelligent, well thought out answers, because frankly, I am pretty tired of the armchair quarterbacks sitting on the sidelines with their arms crossed complaining, "You're not doing it right".

        • 8 votes
        #3.39 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:23 PM EDT

        Don't everyone answer at once!

        Joanna? Steve? No Joe? Don't you guys go all 'Jan Brewer' on me!

        • 2 votes
        #3.40 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:49 PM EDT

        Jeff.T,

        Brewer... that horse face woman...it isn't a wonder why she has anger management issues...not too good at following instructions without a script...

        • 2 votes
        #3.41 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 5:00 PM EDT

        Jeff.T - hint: they're still getting their arms uncrossed.

        • 1 vote
        #3.42 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 5:02 PM EDT

        Brewer... that horse face woman...

        LOL Anita... Brewer reminds me more of a wax figure from Madam Trousou's (sp?) that's been left out in the AZ sun for waaay to long... lol

        That would be some HEAVY lifting to raise that face to where it belongs...

        Jeff.T: Don't hold your breath for a answer from the duo of doom - let alone a coherant one!

        • 2 votes
        #3.43 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 5:33 PM EDT

        Jeff T - I hope you are not holding your breath for Joanna Smith or No Joe to answer you.

        They won't.

        They Can't.

        Whenever you ask a direct question about what THEY would do, you get back an unintellible answer.

        I know. I have asked BOTH of these posters about specific issues and all I got was obfuscation, hyperbole, and downright hostility. NEVER was the question actually answered.

        Joanna needs to check her crib notes. if she cannot 'categorise' what you are talking about, then you get hostility.

        No Joe makes stuff up and tries to convince you that she knows what she is talking about. Ask for a link to substantiate a point and you will be waiting for a long time.

        So, Jeff, let's see if I am wrong. Let's see if they can PROVE me wrong.

        But don't bet on it.

        • 3 votes
        #3.44 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 6:02 PM EDT

        Besides, the Paid Troll shift hours are over. You do not expect them to work any longer than they have to now do ye??

        • 3 votes
        #3.45 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 9:52 PM EDT

        Red,

        LOL Anita... Brewer reminds me more of a wax figure from Madam Trousou's (sp?) that's been left out in the AZ sun for waaay to long... lol

        LMAO!! You are so right! I saw her on T.V. (a real good close-up in HD) and I said damn! what an ugly woman...makes a body wonder if she isn't just an ugly he! That Arizona sun has leathery skin her up but good...and ugly doesn't need help! ROTFLMAO!!!

        • 2 votes
        #3.46 - Fri Oct 8, 2010 12:40 PM EDT
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        Think Progress:

        Brewer won't debate unless her poll numbers drop

        Arizona Governor Jan Brewer has had only one debate against Terry Goddard, her Democratic challenger in the gubernatorial election, and she didn't have a choice: since she took public funds for her campaign, she had to agree to one debate under Arizona election law. Given the option, Brewer prefers not to debate again — and she admitted to a local reporter yesterday that she would only debate the issues again if it was politically advantageous:

        "Maybe there would be a possibility that we would debate if my numbers starting dropping dramatically,'' she said. "And, of course, I'm working hard to see that they don't.'' [...]

        She said her reticence to meet with Goddard again should come as no surprise.

        "We made that decision long ago,'' the governor said, saying the single debate was part of the game plan all along."So far, we've been right on the game,'' Brewer said, adding, "And I'm winning.''

        Brewer brushed aside a question of whether Goddard will be disappointed with her stand. "And you think I care?'' she quipped.

        It's not surprising Brewer doesn't want to have another debate. In her first one, she struggled to name her accomplishments and subjected the audience to a long, awkward pause; she also advanced a falsehood about beheadings in the Arizona desert and was unable to justify it after the debate. She quietly retracted her claim a few days later.

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        #4 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT

        Is Amazing that the only Time Democrats ever Want to Debate is when they are losing. If they are Leading they wouldn't debate and you would hear nothing from the Liberals on this page about it..

        • 3 votes
        #4.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:50 PM EDT

        Well, Steve, what a strange thing to say. Can we extrapolate that since YOU want to debate YOU know you are losing? Hmmmm?

        • 5 votes
        #4.2 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:53 PM EDT

        @Steve-505729: lol wut

        • 1 vote
        #4.3 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:54 PM EDT

        Stating fact is not initating debate,

        • 2 votes
        #4.4 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT

        Steve-

        That is true for ANY politician. Debates can leave you vulnerable to attack, and if you're comfortably ahead in the polls there is no reason to take the risk.

          #4.5 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:57 PM EDT

          Exactly Jeff,

          I know this you know this. but the rest of them instead of acknowledgeing this they try and act as if its only something that someone they Disagree with would do..

          • 2 votes
          #4.6 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:00 PM EDT

          Holy crap, Steve, that almost sounded like a coherent thought...

          • 2 votes
          #4.7 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:02 PM EDT

          Steve "stating facts is not initiating debates." Really? When will you state some? When you do state actual facts, I can guarantee people will debate with you. So again, does that mean you know you are loosing, that you want to "state facts"?

          • 6 votes
          #4.8 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT

          Dispute my Facts, please.. i have lost nothing because you have not Addressed them you just say they are not Facts.. Now we are debating. lets continue

          • 1 vote
          #4.9 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT

          What facts?

          • 2 votes
          #4.10 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:24 PM EDT

          Yawn,

          • 2 votes
          #4.11 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:27 PM EDT

          Yep, that's what I figured, off to the barn!

          • 4 votes
          #4.12 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:34 PM EDT

          I'm a liberal, Steve, and I don't care which side is winning or losing. If a candidate wants to be Governor or hold other high office, I expect that candidate to debate. I want to see how they respond to questions, whether they can address the issue effectively, whether they can think on their feet and in general, the demeanor in front of a crowd. How comfortable are they, can they articulate their views, can they tell us their goals and their accomplishments; can they explain why they think their view is right. Any candidate for Governor, regardless of party, who refuses to debate will NOT get my vote.

          • 4 votes
          #4.13 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:04 PM EDT

          YES, Jody! I have been thinking for some time that I couldn't possibly vote for someone who refused to debate for the very reasons you state in your post. How can you know your candidates if they don't participate in some kind of forum in which you can determine who they are and how they behave in comparison to their opponent? Refusal to debate is an automatic disqualifier for me.

          • 2 votes
          #4.14 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 5:11 PM EDT

          See, now that's an intelligent comment.

          • 1 vote
          #4.15 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 5:43 PM EDT

          Gov. Brewer took the $1.2 million of public funds for her campaign, going through the motions in a 'debate'. It was all about the benjamins in this case, wasn't it?

          Can it be more obvious?

          By the way - whatever happened to SB1070? Whatever happened to 'I'll fight for my fellow Arizonians'?

          Seems like Gov. Brewer is pretty quiet about THAT whole situation these days.

          It makes me wonder if SB 1070 was just a SMOKESCREEN to pump up her base to get her re-elected as Governor.

          Nah.

          That would be dishonest. Governors aren't dishonest, correct?

          Chances are that Gov. Brewer will be re-elected in Arizona - done on the backs of those that are least able to defend themselves. SB 1070 will fade away into the sunset and be a non issue. Arizona will 'relent' and follow Federal Guidelines as they should have in the first place.

          I hope I am wrong on November 2nd.

          If I am not, then I hope everyone is happy.

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          #4.16 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 6:29 PM EDT
          Reply

          "I would rather beat the Yankees regularly than pitch a no hit game." - Bob Feller

          {Sorry, but I just can't help myself what with the playoffs coming up and all. lol}

            Reply#5 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT

            Politics are strange in Alaska...it's really difficult for me to offer an honest assessment to this article...

            Ted Stevens was quite a colorful character, as is Palin and the latest baggers are...and Alaskans have "extremely" different views for electing their politicians than we do in the lower forty-eights...

            No offense...but...swindling money out of people certainly don't seem to bother them...BAMN...(by any means necessary)

            • 2 votes
            Reply#6 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT

            Around the time of the Alaska primary, one of the MSNBC FR staff writers, Vaughn (last name escapes me), wrote an article here and I asked a rhetorical question about how they could want government out of their lives yet accept so much federal money. He posted saying he had lived there and explained that some of it is because they are so remote, not many roads, the wildness and weather and that they have only been a state for a short time in comparison to the lower 48; that the remoteness and the need to be self-sufficient and independent to survive plays into their politics and their unusual personalies; they are behind the lower 48 in development, education, etc. He didn't put it quite that way but that's what I understood him to say. Anyway, I thanked him and said I hoped he would tell us more sometime. Where are you Vaughn?

            • 2 votes
            #6.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:14 PM EDT

            Hi Jody,

            I suspected as much and during the Presidential election had the pleasure of reading up on Alaska...especially after they threw Palin in the race...LORD...that woman was/is unbelievable...

            I couldn't imagine how anyone would elect her into "any" office...let alone as Governor?...that was amazing....

            I guess the closest I got to understanding the personalities of people that live in Alaska was watching "Northern Lights" (sorry...but it's true)...

            The people of Alsaka seem to be dependant on Government funds but want no Government in their lives...go figure! I'll take your money but GTHO....

            • 3 votes
            #6.2 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 4:26 PM EDT

            That seems to be the case for many conservatives. Keep the government out of our lives except for forcing everyone to conform to my version of morality...is another one like that. I'm happy to take full advantage of the amenities of life in America, but don't ask me to help pay for them. Apparently they see no discrepancy there.

            • 2 votes
            #6.3 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 5:25 PM EDT

            We can sell them back to Russia. :p

            • 2 votes
            #6.4 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 5:42 PM EDT
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            Hey, I wonder what Andy has planned for the end of the week video?

              Reply#7 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT

              Maybe some footage of Debbie Reynolds circa 1971.

              • 2 votes
              #7.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 3:09 PM EDT
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              It sure will be interesting to watch the election results in a couple of weeks. I think I'll make some popcorn, kick back and bounce between CNN and FOX just to see who gloats and who cries. My personal opinion would be to clear them all (Congress & Senate) out and start fresh.

              My humble opinion:

              The President DOES NOT run the country, Congress DOES. IF you are dissatisfied with Congressional behavior, educate yourself regarding YOUR REPRESENTATIVE CHOICES and VOTE.

              WHY would someone spend MILLIONS of dollars to get a job that pays $170,000? That is NOT a very fiscally responsible mind set.

              American PEOPLE are the MOST generous beings on the PLANET. That generosity should not be forced upon us by GOVERNMENT MANDATE, especially when given to OTHER COUNTRIES.

              'FAILURE IS NOT A BAD THING'. If you fall down, GET UP, DON'T GIVE UP.

              The Declaration of Independence states "all men are created equal", not that "all men are created equal". The ability and talent to make oneself better is God given to all, as is the ability and responsibility to choose wisely. Government should NEVER FORCE one person to pay for another person's poor judgment. The burden of funding our government should be shared EQUALLY BY ALL.

              Are these views really that radical?

                Reply#8 - Sat Oct 2, 2010 6:14 PM EDT

                If Ted Stevens had went to prison like he should have, he might be alive today.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#9 - Sun Oct 3, 2010 8:21 PM EDT

                had gone to prison.

                He can thank Bush's inept, actually deliberately incompetent, justice department for his untimely death.

                • 1 vote
                #9.1 - Sun Oct 3, 2010 10:56 PM EDT
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