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Now? Yeah, not so much.
Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern, who on Monday referred to Tea Party members with a variation of the f-word, sent out a fundraising appeal this afternoon with the subject line: “My Swear Jar.”
“My comments from earlier in the week have become a national story, and many people in the Republican Tea Party have demanded that I apologize,” he wrote. “I won’t.”
Redfern contends that his use of a Grade A swear word is far less serious than activists’ comparisons between Obama and Hitler or Birthers’ “screaming” about the president’s alleged country of origin.
“Give me a break,” he said in the fundraising email. “THEY should be the ones apologizing. That’s why I’m asking you to contribute to my ‘swear jar’ to help us beat our opponents in November.”
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Way to go Redfern! don't apologize for expressing yourself and in manner that you choose to do so-- Hell--it's is America anit it?. Use your grade A swear words to describe the self righteous hypocrites.
...but we're dealing with the Tea Baggers. The First Amendment protects only that which they deem appropriate.
Anyone remember Joe'YOU LIE' Wilson?....during a joint session of Congress.....directed at My President.......
That was OK with the far right wingers.....Wilson lined his coffers with donations after his outburst. Of course he had to grovel after McConnell let him have it.....he even reluctantly I'm sure, apologized to the POTUS.
Decorum and civility has been lost........what's good for the goose is (well you know).......
Yes, I remember Joe. In retrospect, he should have probably said "you ****in' lie", huh?
Redfern is just a rationalizing weasel.
...and, Joe Wilson is just an attention grabbing coward.
What a classless jerk that guy is. All this looser knows how to do is put down people. He lumps people into groups just like racist lump people. That really is the truth, he is no better than a racist. Just substitute his reference to tea party people with a racial group and you will see what I mean.
Richard,
Are you mistaken?...That rationalizing weasal would be Palin...wouldn't it? Tut, tut...we mustn't forget that we have weasels in our own party that are "Far worst" than Redfern...let's not forget about the current darling..."Angel" with her "angel" for money grabbing....
What a complete moron Redfern is. If you're that unintellectual that you have to use inflammatory words to replace sensible civilized words then you're a moron at heart and this guy is exactly that. He will lose and lose big this midterm.
This man is vying for public office, which the American people are the employers. If I went to a job interview and said such insensitive remarks do you really think I would be hired? I have family and relatives in Ohio (where I grew up near Cleveland) and I will personally call each and every one to vote against this clown with a foul mouth. No one wants someone like that in their work place.
You can absolutely tell who the liberals/democrats are on this blog, it's anyone writing insensitive remarks and calling other Americans foul names or spewing their hatred towards others. This is all I ever see of the democratic party, hate, fearmongering, inflammatory remarks, name calling, etc. If the democratic party ever once held a platform of what they are going to do to help the people and not use the platform to put down the republican party or the conservative (tea party) patriots and spew their hate I would be shocked. I would LOVE to see a democrat actually take responsibility for what they have done to our country (afer all they have been in charge for 4, yes 4, years in the House and 2 in the WH. I've seen our country become less safe, a president apologising all over the world for our great country, Washington elitists belitteling Americans who want their voices heard and of blaming Bush and everyone else for their failed agenda. Just once I would like to see our "campaigner in chief" talk about what he plans to do and not "we inherited, blah, blah, blah, from the last administration." The last "administration" happened to have been the democratic party in charge of appropriations and law making (Pelosi since the end of 2006), so Mr. President...you inherited your own party's financial mess. Try working for the people, all the people, and not just your cronies who you used the "stimulus" to pay off for the elections. Both parties in Washington are corrupt and this is why we want them ALL out. But I can tell you this, I don't want someone like this Redfern clown to represent anyone in my government. Losers like this need to go back under a rock and leave the people alone.
Hey contesa, you Tea BAGing fool, all you have to do is change the word to Republian when you use Democrat and Bush to Clinton and you'd be much closer to the truth than you really are.
But I know truth isn't a very strong point (more like non existent) for the Republican Tea Baggers Party.
Really john? Thats the best response you can come up with for contesa? You might as well have fallen back on that line my grandchild uses once she's run out of logical things to say: "I know you are but what am I." Oh, wait- you did. Way to back it up too.
Its funny to see the libtards be reduced to having to defend some simple minded democrat politician who can't control his speech and needs to use the F word to make a point. Biden too. Who was the last repub to drop the f-bomb in a public moment?
Of course with the lack of control the libtard posters here exhibit with their own foul language, I guess we shouldn't expect too much from their politicians.
And lets drag up Joe Wilsons "you lie!" as an equivalent. Because in the libtard household little johnny doesn't say at the dinner table "you lie! No, little johnny says says "You F_ing Lie"! just like mamma taught him.
I don't know...I'de kinda like to see the gloves come off in congressional debates on the floor of congress....say what they really mean... In stead of " My distinguished colleague this and the honorable senator from the great State of ______— (fill in the blank). Have the vigorous debate....put each individual bill up for a vote...If it passes...it passes....if it gets defeated....it gets defeated....Done.
So very boring.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, wake me up when the gloves come off and spare me the profanity......just a simple mind searching for a vocabulary.
Way to sink to Cheney's level! Wooooo!
Exodite Dragon,
It's HIGH time that Democrats start fighting back. There is no way in the hell that Democrats can survive in the mud pit by being intellects when dealing with trash-- In my HONEST opinion...you cuss it out and keep stepping...face the facts here-- Republicans have said and done far worse and using language that the majority of us hear on a daily basis...on prime time shows is no different that what we all say on a daily basis...
And that in no way excuses devolving to the same level.
The biggest, the BIGGEST problem with America by far is that we continuously lower the bar for ourselves in just about every facet of our lives and society.
I say elevate yourself and set an example. What will be left with when we're finally down to the lowest common denominator?
Civil discourse is pretty much dead nowadays. Sad.
Kirby,
Republicans are behaved in uncivil ways since President Obama has taken office and millions of Americans are fed up with them, that is why Redfern is raising money...
He will be quite successful at it too, because he's actually echoing the sentiments of millions of Americans that are sick and tired of Republicans...
Then echo those sentiments without resorting to colorful metaphors.
Exodite Dragon,
Sooo...you're suggesting that self expression out of frustration that millions of Americans are using on a daily basis when discussing the Republican Party should be spoken with language best suited for church?
Who decided what the hell a swear word was? I happen to think that it's about time that "someone" keeps it real...people are looking for reality not BS rehearsed lines...we're hearing enough of that from Republicans...for instance...the "new lie" with stealing as a new spin..."Contract with America"...
I LOVE colorful metaphors...
there is a term for this, ED-unmitigated gall.
It is also grossly stupid. Evidently, this 'brain trust' has not read any of the Ohio polls. This is not likely to garner him much support; and, in fact, may cost him the little support the democrats have left in Ohio.
Desperation sure is ugly.
Anita, don't be so naive. You can 'keep it real' without resorting to the vulgar. There are ways to express the severity of a situation without catering to the low-brow. If you want classic examples of such, try reading William Jennings Bryan's Cross of Gold speech.
I recall when Democrats exploded over Cheney's line in the Senate as well as Bush's gaffe concerning a particular journalist he spied while on stage.
For you and anyone else to give a pass to Redfern now is completely hypocritical.
Hardly...Redfern is NOT the CIC and I happen to think that President Obama was RIGHT when he said that he wanted to know whose ASS to kick...
It was REAL and appropriate for what many of Americans are feeling today and why be a prude when worse language is being used on a daily basis...
Higher standards should have been exercised by our leaders that we elected into office to PROTECT us...but what did they do (Republicans)? They stole from us lied to us and attempted to flush us down the toilet...PERMANENTLY....
So sell that crap to someone else because it isn't cutting the mustard with me and millions of other of Americans...it's manufactured CONSERVATIVE BS and we're mad as hell....
They have attempted to block everything that will alleviate strain on Americans...the strain that THEY placed on them...Redfern should let it all hang out and speak for the millions that feel him...
You know, it's interesting that there are people who simply accept that language such as this should be accepted. I remember once, when my son was about 13, he let slip "damn"-and then looked at me, horrified.
I explained to him that this was an example of exactly WHY such words should not be in his vocabulary-the time would come when he was upset enough that the word would be spoken before he could stop it. The extra day of grounding, I explained, would help him remember that.
He's now a lawyer-can you imagine the reaction of a Judge if he let such an epithet slip out?
So, I think most people should find other, more acceptable, language to voice their displeasure at events and/or circumstances.
I also think that this would be a non-issue had this ill bred remark been apologized for, rather than this ridiculous attempt to capitalize on it.
Maybe he does'nt Poll Dance 24-7-365!
Anita -
I could care less whether he makes any money at it. That just proves my point the civil discourse is dead. Saying Cheney did it or Bush did it or Obama did doesn';t make it right.
You and I can disagree on a number (in fact, probably most)of issues, but if you start personally insulting me then I simply pay no attention to you and then you don't get your point across. If all you want to do is vent, maybe you should go into a hall closet and scream, but if you want to have give and take then simply keep it civil. I'll try to do the same.
kirby in idaho,
If me expressing my thoughts or opinions on this article offends you, then your skin is indeed thin and you probably shouldn't attack comments....
If I'm correct in reading what you "decided" to state your opinion on in answer to my comment...then I would say that it takes VERY little to rattle your cage...say for instance...my comment...
Stop lying...I didn't PERSONALLY attack you.
You just couldn't resist could you nojoe?....who TOLD you that the word DAMN was an swear word? Is Hell one as well...are those words determined by MAN to be swear words when they are referencing Satan's den...Satan...one who isn't GOD....
Think about what you're saying....
Kirby - for 'civil' discourse to take place, one has to be 'civil'.
Kinda hard to say that Republicans have been respectful - or 'civil' - to the President or anyone who does not toe their party line.
I think that you get what you give. You and I can be civil because we haven't gone to the level where you are calling me something or where I am calling you something.
For the past 21 months, the Democrats have not been getting a lot of 'civility' fron the Republicans. So, in return you don't get any 'civility' fron the Democrats. It may not be what is right, but it is what it is.
Anita is right - Democrats are upset and TIRED of being 'civil' while the opposition continues to spew lies and mistruths about their President and anyone else who is NOT a conservative. Heck - we even had a conservative guy that threatened the President's life YESTERDAY.
Is THAT civility in action??
Could this person express himself 'civilly'? Of course. Did ANYONE from the GOP side EVER talk anyone down AFTER the campaign and promote 'civility'?
I'll let you answer that one.
The bottom line is this - if I hold out my hand and you spit in my face, what do you think will become of that?
Civility ain't it.
You know, Anita, my point was that I raised a gentleman. A person who understood how to treat people with respect-including himself. A young man who would understand that certain language was disrespectful-and could harm others, or himself.
It happens to have been the way that I was raised. It has served me well.
I was also raised, (and passed it on to my son), that if you have to spend too much time rationalizing something, you KNOW IT IS WRONG.
Have a think on that.
Joe beat me to it.
Anita -
I am not thin skinned. The point I was trying and will try one more time to make, is that when ANYONE attacks someone else because they don't agree with them, then civil discourse is dead.
I wouldn't care if you attacked me because you don't know anything about me. But you seem to think it is okay for the coarse behaviour on either side and you would be wrong.
If it is "coarse behaviour" that offends you then, I suppose you were one of the first to post your dissatisfaction when Cheney tossed off his F-bomb....when Bush did the same....when Joe Wilson ranted his unprecedented, "You Lie".....right??
You guys need to take stock of how YOU react when your own side does this kind of stuff as well. Don't harp on us "libbies" and call us hypocrites when you haven't cleaned your own house.
Oh PLEEZE! Your entire statement flawed-- you of ALL people have the unmitigated gall to cry foul and speak of disrespectful language when all you've posted out here has been NOTHING but disrespectful language and lies that HAVE harmed others...
You know you can't perpertrate to us as being respectful when your monkier is disrespectful and hateful...
You Conservatives are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites...who gives you the right to judge what's suppose to be acceptable language? Oh that's right...you are amongst the self-righteous that want to regulate women's reproductive rights...burn the Quran... and incite violence amongst others that don't look like you or worship like you...
Now spare me the BS and keep dancing on your pole...better yet...join that "witch" that the baggers have running for office...demons....
What I've stated in my COMMENT is my opinion...just as your comment is YOUR opinion...why are you seeking to cast judgement on my choice? I am well over the age of ANYONE attempting to "set" me straight and speak of manners...mine have served me QUITE well...
Why are you on the "civil discourse" train now?...that train left the station with the Tea Baggers and Republican politicians on it. Wonder why the lesson of civil discourse wasn't revelent when a certain group of people decided to "spit" on an elected official?...
It's best you maintain that civility tone where it's needed and that's with the Republican Party and the baggers...BTW...I contend...I have not personally attacked you...you people are so shorted sighted that it's scary...tin foil alert?
Hmm, "tea baggers", "poll dancer", every manner of twisting Cheney's first name around,"sell that crap", "conservative BS".
Just a few close-by examples of pots calling kettles black and looking stupid doing it.
How many of you are hip-hop, rap or Eminem fans?
Ahh....FINALLY you showed who you really are.....DICK!
Yes he did...didn't he Jeffery?...
I don't recall saying that I disapproved of any of that language...it's music to my ears...
Richard,
Snap, snap! pay attention now...I didn't say that I disagreed with that language...actually the right seems to take issue with colorful language...we are speaking of what some are calling 'colorful' language...
wasn't it the right that actually instigated it? Baggies really do rattle easily...it's no fun when the rabbit's got the gun...
When I was young, the f word was just never used and those who did were in big trouble with parents, schools, etc. For sometime now, it seems to be a routine part of the language. I think these days, the context of when and where people like Redfern use it matters. This sounds like a pretty general reference not specific to a particular person. Maybe I am just adjusting to the new world of swearing.
California Tom. Many thanks for your compliment on the First Thought thread this morning. I did not see it until later and responded but want to make certain you see my thank you. It is so good to know that what one writes is appreciated.
Jody-and maybe you are just spinning. Be honest: if this were a republican, you would be all over it.
I get that there is a political divide, but is there really no common ground? Are there not, at least, some things we can all agree on as reasonable people?
Jody,
When someone say's F-you to me...I simply respond by saying...make it a lovely one please...
Anita! That's hysterical! May I use that phrase when attacked similarly?
Newday,
Anytime you want...when I use it directed back at the person that "intended" to insult me...it ticks them off because they didn't get a chance to make me angry...lol!!
Just another Democrat that believes that his crappy party can get away with saying anything. Unfortunately for him, the polls show that he will be a civilianafter November along with a huge bunch of Obama's clones. Praise the Lord.
And the republicans never say outrageous things that are offensive? Get real. Need an example: t Pres Bush during the 2000 campaign calling a reporter over a live mic, a pretty nasty name; Cheney nodded in agreement.
chris-805265
Just another Democrat that believes that his crappy party can get away with saying anything. Unfortunately for him, the polls show that he will be a civilianafter November along with a huge bunch of Obama's clones. Praise the Lord.
That's funny I don't recall any Democrats using the crappy language similar to the GOPTP Party. The bad words I see are those words given to Tea Baggers funded by the Koch Brothers crime family.
For example...
*Continue the Bush-era tax cuts.
*Repeal healthcare.
* Democrats are spending us into a huge debt.
* Keep your hands off my money
*Impeach President Obama, one of the most successful Preside besides Clinton since Reagan.
*Get rid of SS and Medicare, education, and government workers such as firefighters and police.
* No moratium on oil drilling
* Communism, Socialism, Marxism, Kenyan, No Muslins in American show me your birth certificate
**Lastly, "NOPE" to President's Obama agenda
Yes praise the Lord if republicans gain control. Praise the lord we can repeal health care for those in need, amen. Praise the lord we can stop unemployment benefits and render people homeless, amen. Praise the Lord we can kill Social Security for old people and the disabled, amen. Praise the Lord we can attack sovereign nations and kill thousands with no real provocation, amen. Praise the Lord we can have the unregulated free market solve our problems, amen.
Don't you really mean praise my dollars, amen.
Or to use the correct verbage according to the Obama Democrats. Praise F#@&ing Allah
Forest, i'm notta Relgous person by No means, But:
Amen, with a HellYa!
That's a good one, only problem is, in the free market of religion Allah is winning, there are more Muslims than Christians and it is not even close. Christianity is declining maybe were praying for the wrong things, maybe we are praying to the wrong God. Maybe he is punishing us, maybe he is just ignoring us, why don't you ask Glen Beck or some other republican that God talks to and get some answers for us.
Thank you for the amen, hellya Rick.
Beverly,
That's funny I don't recall any Democrats using the crappy language similar to the GOPTP Party. The bad words I see are those words given to Tea Baggers funded by the Koch Brothers crime family.
Teabaggers is crappy language, Beverly. So tell me again how Democrats don't use crappy language.
o'really-1470447
Teabaggers is crappy language, Beverly. So tell me again how Democrats don't use crappy language.
It should be noted that the term "teabagger" appears on Oxford's list because of the usage cited on that list, not because of any other meaning. Citations for the political sense were found in a number of legitimate sources throughout the year. As a reference to members of the currently active Tea Party, the word has been used in speech and print by both liberals and conservatives. In this context, the term "teabagger" is a reasonably conceived informal name for an affiliate of the Tea Party, and as a word in the news, it earned a mention for the year 2009.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/teabagger-added-to-oxford_n_362504.html
I hope you learned something in addition to collapsing posts..
Praise the Lord that your Republicans vow to take down health care for your fellow Americans? PTL that compassion will be flushed down the toilet? PTL that not so covert racists will be rewarded for out and out disrespect for your duly elected President? PTL that Wall Street will be again allowed to run free with your money? PTL that a gaggle of war mongers will be given the code to the real security button? PTL that the "Patriots" who defend the strict interpretation of the Constitution vow to "amend" a few?
Ah yes, indeed Praise the Lord??????
Yeah, why apologize for calling 3 million democrat and republican Americans F**kers. We will see come November f**cker.
We had 8 years of Bush as Hitler signs, where was this @sshole then?
Not 8, those signs were not seen until anti-war rallies when Pres Bush invaded Iraq. Is that a good excuse? No. But the right has done more than just call Pres Obama Hitler.
JoAnnaSmith1
dangerfield: some aren't who they appear to be..
Yeah, no kidding.
You're not thinking clearly; Lady JoAnna.
Everyone knows about F#@K You money...but this is probably a new variation...
Yeah, sure, this comment by Redfern will surely tip the upcoming elections back into the Democrats column.
Remember the Democrats were ready to make a big campaign issue based on Texas Republican Rep Joe Barton's apology to BP from back in June? How's that plan working out for the Dems? Reference:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38805.html
Maybe the Dems can get Redfern and NY Rep Anthony Weiner in the same room and let them rant for a couple hours. Should make for some good C-Span to watch.
JoAnnaSmith1,
Honey it aint over till it's over and Redfern is only speaking what millions of frustratedvoters are saying on a daily basis--hell...cussing is great therapy...better than a drug...oops...forgot...most of your ilk pop pills for frustration....drugs...
some aren't who they appear to be...but they sound so familiar...
Redfern certainly has a lot to be frustrated about. Obama and the Democrats have turned Ohio from a nicely blue colored swing state for the Democrats into a bright red beacon of Hope and Change for the Republicans.
Btw, Redfern been leading any chants of Yes We Can lately? Just ask'n.
Sweetie, it's over. It is soooo over.
dangerfield: some aren't who they appear to be..
Yeah, no kidding.
JoAnnaSmith1,
If residents in Ohio continue to send people like Boehner into Washington...the same people that turned Cincinnati into a virtual GHOST TOWN then so be it...they deserve what they're getting...
Democrats didn't GIVE the Republicans anything in Ohio and we shall see what the residents of Ohio continue to cling to...
We'll see "sweetie" if it "really is over" in November. If so, I'd like to see your band of ??? turn this country around. Well, after 8 years of Bush-wacking I suppose you all (Repugs) will be happy that the "good ole boys" will be back where "they belong".....you betcha!
"Sweetie, it's over. It is soooo over."
Aw, geez, JoAnna- I never I'd see the day you gave up on your party so easy! Buck up. lil' girl. There will be other election cycles.
You said it Jeffery! This one is having a dream, but come November...she will wake up to a nightmare! Republicans will be sacked FOR GOOD! LMAO!!!
JoAnnaSmith1,
"Sweetie"...Rush just sold the Republican Party out for some Oxycontin...don't you know...he is the leader of the Republican Party and Bennett and many other Republican leaders feel that you all have headed in the wrong direction...
That far right conservative approach you all have been fooled into by the Lusher will be your undoing in November...
Anita, Birmingham, Alabama
Who are all these millions of people who you claim believe just like you? You do realize that you're living in the middle of a RED state, though admittedly in a blue county. Get a job, pay taxes, or go to school and learn something. But please give us a rest from you mindless chatter.
TangoHotel5757,
While this comment was meant to inflame me...it actually spurred me on with that extra ZING-- it's definitely laughable considering the fact that you know nothing of me...
You see...that's the problem with you baggies, you can dish it out but you can't take it...your mantra is people that voice their dislike of your agenda are uneducated, unemployed and don't pay taxes...such an old way of thinking that speaks volumes of the Republican Party...
Anita: I am always amused at how the "teabaggers" have only one insult they can hurl over and over again. "get a job, pay taxes...." Like the only people that work are the "teabaggers". Could they be jealous that we not only get the good jobs, but retire young?
Newday,
Exactly-- that seem to think that they are the primary contributors to our nations economy and as you've stated...we don't get good jobs, pay our taxes and retire young...I find them amusing...
Hooray for Redfern. It's about time someone in politics showed some guts in public. Now if we could just vote the lily-livered GOP out of Congress, we might actually get something accomplished this century.
BionicBub,
Exactly my thoughts and millions of others on this...
Right on Anita....I've got your back! Hooray for Redfern!!
Jeffery,
Thanks! LMAO!!!
I thought the right-wing fringe liked freedom of speech? What happened cause someone else exercised that freedom?....Of course, it's always do as I say, not as I do...hypocrites!
Off message, cut just some some more polls on Hardball Chris.....someone please answer this question.
What is the difference (for polling) between "likely voter"....."registered voter"? I know the real difference, but in polling, are the "likely voters" registered.....or is it the "registered voter" likely to vote?
Polls suck!
Chris, he's a civilian now. You are only NOT a civilian if you are an active member of the military (although sometimes law enforcement likes to call the general population civilians. But that use is a figure of speech. Law enforcement is also civilian). And Democrats don't believe their "crappy party can get away with saying anything." Democrats, in general, are afraid to speak up for almost anything they believe in even when their policies are more widely accepted than the other side's. And there are no politicians, on the democratic side that resemble the president in appearance or in style, so I'm not sure what "clones" you're talking about.
Here's my message for you Mr. Redfern. - "You're a despicable bastard"! This is just more of the same crap from liberals, and the only way they know how to react to anyone that differs from their warped ideology. Redfern and his other Democratic morons are obviously sweating bullets because their little self-serving party is about to be over. Stick it where the sun doesn't shine Redfern!
Here's my message to you "Steelman"....get over it and man up! How the hell is this more of the same crap from liberals when you Repugs get away with this sort of garbage all the time? I think a bit of the "hair of the dog that bit you" is some good medicine. Love the "threats" hiding behind a keyboard! Hey everyone, Steelman is really just 13 year old and typing on his mom's computer! Good one!
"..........sweating bullets because their little self-serving party is about to be over.."
SELF SERVING?? You REALLY want to use that term for DEMOCRATS?????
Get real, and turn off Hanity and his 'opposite land' radio show.
Make ya a deal. You libbies turn off Olbermann and Madcow and Maher....and we gotta deal. What say?
I'd LOVE to se the results of a mass-audience shift for one night. MSNBC viewers ONLY watch FOX, and vice-versa. It would be real interesting to see which side experienced the most 'conversions' to the other side's points of view. The three people you meniton back up their comments with facts, quotes, video clips and charts and graphs. Does Hannity? I think I know what the result would likely be. What say?
I hear "crickets" drive-by....you mean "nofault" has no "come-back"?? LOL!!!
Jeffrey - I don't believe you have been hearing any teapartiers throwing around the "F" word. It's completely inappropriate and uncalled for. By the way, I'm not a teapartier and I'm not a kid on his mom's computer. I can back-up my mouth with no problem pal. As I said, Redfern is a bastard - an unapologetic one for certain and my message was posted to him - not you!
Steelman - I DID in fact hear teabaggers throw around F-Bombs....specifically, this past summer when BLACK members of Congress were entering chambers...walking through crowds of "teas". Yes, F-bombs....N-bombs and spit. Where were you? You're entitled to think Redfern is a bastard. Big deal. I think the Bush-Crime-Family are bastards, Cheney, Boehner and the many more....so what?? I can "back-up" my talk as well....so what...pal???
The Republicans didn't care when Cheney dropped the "F" bomb in the Senate. They praised him for not apologizing, in fact, because it showed what a macho man he was. Why should this guy apologize?
It's funny because, at the time, Democrats came out of the woodwork blasting Cheney for it. Let's not forget Bush's gaffe on stage pointing out a journalist he had little love for - yet here the left is championing Redfern with zero sense of irony.
You don't find that slightly disturbing?
What I find ironic is that the "right" is so upset with this guy and they (the right) have dozens just like him in their own ranks.....I suppose the "irony" runs both ways....
Unfortunately, it's a sign of the times, Ed...it is what is at the heart of political polarization.
There are still those who, (like yourself, and dangerfield, and, well, me), who have ONE standard to which we adhere.
Then there are those who root, root, root, for their home teams, no matter what happens.
My fear is that we are rapidly becoming the minority .. .
Like when Joe Biteme siad to the prez, this a big f---ing deal over health care.
Exodite Dragon:
Cheney didn't just let out an expletive to a general audience; what he did was a verbal assault on a US Senator on the floor of the Senate. That's a far worse trangression than doing it in front of a crowd of steel workers. I'll bet none of them got the vapors and fainted.
The least of the Democrats' problems is the occasional bad language. Cowardice and disunity are their real problems. Now is certainly not the time for them to attack someone for cussing out the Tea Party. A lot more people will be doing that if they get enough of their weirdos into Congress to shut down the government as threatened.
Cheney was justified because his specific target was Pat Leahy. And I might add, he was responding directly to a verbal assault by Leahy. It was a very satisfying moment to see someone respond to the smarmy Leahy in a manner he deserved, floor of the Senate or not.
And the reporter that Bush referred to as an "***hole" really was one, so no problem there either.
Jeez, people, don't be too sactimonious, here.
You all sound like Pat Leahy.
"U.S. and European delegations protest U.N. speech of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after he says most people believe the U.S. government was behind the Sept. 11 terror attacks. Full story"- headline aobut walk out during Ahmadinejad's speech.....
Ye, it's UNRELATED, but I had to express my surprise. You mean this little dude is a Tea Bagger??
um, driveby-the 9/11 truthers are, to a person, liberals. As in, so far out in left field, they can't even see the pitchers mound, liberals.
Yeah, no joe.....I suppose, (to use your words...) "it's a sign of the times....conservatives.
Hackupaslimeywad gives 9/11 truthers a bad name.
While we're on "language"...about the "teabagger" thing...
If you use the inflammatory term "teabagger" when you post it defeats your purpose, unless you think the best way to get your point across to someone is to insult them...
It is a word, deliberately intended to mock and minimize the victim.
to a tea party follower it's like the N-word, and I bet you wouldn't use that term here, would you?
Why would those who call themselves "progressive" ever resort to what constitutes hate-speech?
The term 'teabagger' is...like...so...I mean like...so-o-o-o totally junior high.
Oh! I think we pushed a button. No? And so is yours.....did too...did not...did too...
I think the term is juvenile. So juveniles use it.
The term "tea-baggers" was actually started by the first splinter groups of the "tea-partiers"....so, if you want to blame anyone for the word or use of "teabagger" then look at your own group....(that is, if you do belong to this organization...)
thank you, dangerfield.
Don't know about the rest of the posters on here, but I use it because I heard a TEA BAGGER use it quite a while ago to describe his own 'tribe'.
People who carry around signs with the president's face with a bone through his nose superimposed on the body of an African witch doctor deserve all the nasty things anyone cares to call them.
Jeffery-2189481
The term "tea-baggers" was actually started by the first splinter groups of the "tea-partiers"...
and where is your attribution?
drive-by-observer
Don't know about the rest of the posters on here, but I use it because I heard a TEA BAGGER use it quite a while ago to describe his own 'tribe'.
And I bet you've heard Jay Z and Dr Dre (Kudos to Chris Rock and his brilliant "sermon" on this topic) but you haven't been using the word he uses to describe himself and his friends here, do you?
So how about you give the tea party people the same respect you afford all the other "tribes" you favor? It's the progressive thing to do...
thank you again, dangerfield.
By the way, I included you in a post above-and forgot to include Mixed Bag in our little group of 'those with one standard of conduct for all'.
Anyway, thanks for taking this on.
Dangerfiled...you have a GOOD point there. But that may be just a tad too 'progressive'. You see, they teach, preach, expound and exhort 'tolerance'....but they haven't 'progressed' there yet themselves. But someday they just might walk the walk.
@dangerfield:
While we're on "language"...about the "teabagger" thing...
If you use the inflammatory term "teabagger" when you post it defeats your purpose, unless you think the best way to get your point across to someone is to insult them...
It is a word, deliberately intended to mock and minimize the victim.
to a tea party follower it's like the N-word, and I bet you wouldn't use that term here, would you?
Why would those who call themselves "progressive" ever resort to what constitutes hate-speech?
You have the audacity to ask for respect with a post insinuating the "N-word" with "teabagger"?? Then, you follow it up with a post referencing Jay-Z & Dr. Dre....(with "kudos" to Chris Rock)...are you kidding me?? I already have you pictured with your hood on and a zippo lighter walking over to the cross on MY lawn....
So Jeffery...what you're saying is, that the word that you find offensive is worse than the word that dangerfield finds offensive? And this is determined by whom now? And because he equates the word he doesn't like to a word you don't like....then all of a sudden he's a racist? WOW!! That's a mighty big leap there for ya.
Come on now, if Tea Partiers don't want to be called teabaggers they shouldn't tie so many of them to their hats. What's to say there is any connotation to the term beyond describing their apparel?
If there is an insult here, I'd have to say it was self inflicted.
@myfault:
If you read my post accurately you would be able to discern that I was pointing out how ridiculous it was for dangerfield to plead respect while using equally offensive verbiage. How's that for a "leap"....??
Jon, i'd say I havta agree with you. Anyone so Stupid to wear teabags hanging from thier clothing out in Public & proclaiming to be Teabagger's, deserves whatever term anyone wants to Title them with.
I now know why NJNB's husband stays outta town so much, it's her condescending Attitude towards anyone Not in agreement with her.
Do you really not see the silliness of Arogance, NJ?
Unreal!
"And I bet you've heard Jay Z and Dr Dre (Kudos to Chris Rock and his brilliant "sermon" on this topic) but you haven't been using the word he uses to describe himself and his friends here, do you?"
Here's one small differnce- the Tea Baggers gave the name to themselves. the black folks had the N lable pasted on them by someone else. Get it, Dangerfield?
Or in Bill Clintons case down the back of Monicas throat.
Alabama.... Would you have said the same if a Republican used the F word? You would be marching up and down if a Republican would have said the F word against Liberal Democats.
You should go out and get a job..... Then you would know how to redistribute your wealth instead of ours.
Chuck H,
WTF are you snotting about? Chit I've used that there word quite frequently and especially whenever I hear the word REPUBLICAN....BTW...you couldn't afford to pay the taxes I pay...LMAO...LMAO...
Jody, Iowa
Not 8, those signs were not seen until anti-war rallies when Pres Bush invaded Iraq. Is that a good excuse? No. But the right has done more than just call Pres Obama Hitler.
Jody, Speaking of Bush , now we know why he's been so silent; apart the fact that his appearance would definitely cause a wave election for the democrats.
Bush planned Iraq attack before becoming president.
Quote:
http://forums.utassault.net/showthread.php?t=31205
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.
The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).
The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'
The PNAC document supports a 'blueprint for maintaining global US pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests'.
This 'American grand strategy' must be advanced for 'as far into the future as possible', the report says. It also calls for the US to 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars' as a 'core mission'.
The report describes American armed forces abroad as 'the cavalry on the new American frontier'. The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document written by Wolfowitz and Libby that said the US must 'discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role'.
The PNAC report also:
l refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';
l describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations';
l reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;
l says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';
l spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia'. This, it says, may lead to 'American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China';
l calls for the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US;
l hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: 'New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool';
l and pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.
Tam Dalyell, the Labour MP, father of the House of Commons and one of the leading rebel voices against war with Iraq, said: 'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war.
'This is a blueprint for US world domination -- a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world. I am appalled that a British Labour Prime Minister should have got into bed with a crew which has this moral standing.'
Here is Alternet's report
Former president George W. Bush's advisers focused on toppling Saddam Hussein's regime as soon as he took office and discussed how to justify a war in Iraq shortly after invading Afghanistan in 2001, official documents showed Wednesday.
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/23/new-documents-reveal-bush-team-planned-iraq-war-from-start/
How will Fox compare this to the nontroversy of the Black Panther Party intimidation to BUSH/CHENY mass murders? All of the deficit was created because of Georgie boy's trying to boost his deflated ego in his father and the world's eye.
Prosecute these war criminals!
Bush used the Clinton Invasion plan. It was US Policy since 1998 to eventually invade Iraq. Your "illegal invasion" was invented and planned by Democrats.
Texashairychest
Bevy -You might be interested to know the case on the Black Panthers will be re-opened and the White House occupant's butt will be shinning. Stephens from the DOJ (Department of Justice) is going to testify that there was a cover up and much, much. The racist will be exposed.
This is the most corrupt, inept administration since Carter, who is way over due for his long dirt nap. Shame he couldn't have gone with I am dead Ted.
BTW Bob Woodard's book "Obama's Wars" is a good read. A good description of the narcissistic man/boy you help elect.
PS: Don't be surprised when your state house goes Republican in November.
First of all, let me set you straight. My name is Beverly. Most certainly you did NOT read story or the links. There’s plenty of proof to show it. Just read it.
The Bush/Cheney thugs gave US and the world cataclysm disorder, particularly in the Middle East, and massive debts. There is not even an infinitesimal comparison to this massive blunder of greed and betrayal.
Here’s a bolt from the blue for you-- The Bush administration's Justice Department -- not the Obama administration -- made the decision not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation at a polling center in Philadelphia in 2008.
Just so you can be lucid, the decision not to file a criminal case occurred before Obama was even in office. This means that the case was downgraded to a civil case 11 days before Obama was inaugurated, 26 days before Eric Holder became attorney general, and about nine months before Thomas Perez was confirmed as head of the Civil Rights Division. Not only did no voters come forward in a predominately democratic and Black precint to say they had been intimidated by the NBPP that day, there were no further incidents on Election Day 2008 that would have suggested a large-scale effort to intimidate white voter.
So clearly the question you should be asking is WHY isn’t FOX NOISE talking about the Wisconsin chapter of the crime family of Koch-funded Americans for Prosperity (AFP) Wisconsin (aka Fight Back Wisconsin) for suppressing the votes in Wisconsin with voter caging?
There will be big, burly, white men as polls watchers out to slow the line down with intimidation; so I've read. And what about those Minutemen in AZ intimidating people?
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=07&year=2010&base_name=when_was_the_new_black_panther
To equate the Obama administration has everything to do with your fantasies. You really need to stay off Glen Beck's blackboard.
I think Tea Baggers are bankrupt; morally and intellectually.
PS. the voters in Illinois don't buy into tea bag nuttery. Kirk is a closet tea bagger and liar.
Right On Beverly! Of course they can't accept FACTS as they are presented to them. I find it funny that they are so up in arms over this expletive when name calling is the FIRST thing they leap to when cornered by FACTS!
Jeffery-2189481
Right On Beverly! Of course they can't accept FACTS as they are presented to them. I find it funny that they are so up in arms over this expletive when name calling is the FIRST thing they leap to when cornered by FACTS!
Thanks, Jeffery
I'm blown away that some one collapsed my post because I used the word "TEA BAGGER"; which by the way is in the Oxford dictionary.
No capice?
Tea Bagger = @!$%#? Really??? Get over yourself.
The F-word did the exact job it was meant to do here: It amplified a point, and drew attention to a strong assertion about the value of healthcare reform that would have otherwise gone unnoticed. Democrats need to vigorously defend the gains won with the healthcare legislation - Republicans will use every tool at their disposal to dismantle it after November. That will be the real obscenity.
@Progressive Patriot....you are SO right about the Democrats vigorously needing to defend the health care legislation. Even though the MAJORITY of Americans didn't want it. That's not relevant. Obamamanchild wanted it, so ....vigorously defend it! Screw the majority. That's what I say!
@Progressive Patriot....you are SO right about the Democrats vigorously needing to defend the health care legislation. Even though the MAJORITY of Americans didn't want it. That's not relevant. Obamamanchild wanted it, so ....vigorously defend it! Screw the majority. That's what I say!
The politically correct crowd would not be pleased but most of us red blooded Americans don't care much about the language issue because he used the word correctly. And as I always say, I know you are but what am I?
Well Anita to follow with your way of thinking nad expressng yourself, I would just lie to say that I think it is about tie that all good Rep's kick obama along with a lot of other Dem's ass clean out of washington so we can get this country under some kind of control thay won't have this country broke by the time his term is up. I don't know about you but I dont speek china and don't want to .
China was created by Paulson and Bush...that debt escalated under their watch...just as Japan was created under Regan...
Should we pay that debt off Frank?...
How would you suggest that we pay it off? Print more money that will further erode the dollar...?
Many are crying defict when we ran these trillions in deficts under Bush and Republicans happily skipped along until the rest of America found out how bad off we were...then all of a sudden thaey are responsible?...hogwash...
Don't you just love it when people scream lower the deficit while they are screaming I WANT but don't raise my taxes? Sounds like making bricks without straw too me...
We are slowly recovering from a "Depression"...in order to make money...you need to spend money...
Republicans don't have a plan for America--they never have had a plan, all they've had has been lies...their track record speaks for itself...oh they are GOOD at selling, but bad at delivery...our nation is finally healing and I thank God for that Frank...
, when the bulk of the people did't want it and still don't. But the dem's have the power so the rest of us have to bend over and hold on for a day when common sense kicks in. God will I be glad when 2012 gets here and maybe we can get some leader ship that make sence. And you want to knock Bush for how much money was spent while he was in office. But i don't hear the dem's talk about the money we had to come up with after 9/11 ,and for the war. As I recall the dem's voted to go to war along with the Rep's, and don't give the story that Bush lied about wmd. Because we all know that they had them because they had used them in the past. I do agree that the Rep's need a direction and a plan that is better than they have now. But at least they are hearing some of what the american people are sayng. I think all fo washington, that has been their more than two terms needs to lose their jobs, Rep's and dem's alike. And then pass a law that no one can ever serve more than two terms again. Anita as ro you idea of spending money to stop the depression as you call it. You are telling me that in your house, when you are broke that you spend more money to make you home life better? I wonder how long it will be befor you are bankrupt?
1. Anyone that uses the world "teabagger" is a BIGOT and probably also uses the word N****R at home
2. The Democrats try to tell people they are the High Road, but when they allow this politician to be a redneck bigot, it makes the entire Democratic party the party of Hating BIGOTS.
3. I want to thank this politician for showing the true colors of Democrats and Progressives.
You certinally know how to use that word there Brian...I see that you've had practice...BTW...if my memory serves me correctly...it was you people that coined that name for yourselves...you didn't get offended until you found out the REAL meaning of it...
I didn't see Haley Barbour (sp) having a problem calling himself a "redneck"...I like "rednecks"...Barbour (sp) put himself on too high of a level calling himself that...
You seem to have some serious anger management issues going on there dude...settle down...it's not that deep...goodness...
Anita: I like what you write and I suppose you have contributed to the swear jar. I would like to also, as I think it's a novel idea. Do you have change for a penny?
Roy-2304194,
Of course I have Roy! I just love making those contributions and I think that it's a fine thing when someone else does the same...after all, it IS the American way...
Just think of all of the lovely sit coms that also contribute and the number of parents that allow their children to view them...
Better yet...You-Tube, Music Videos, X-Box games...oh my! I can just go on and on...just one thing though...
pennies aren't acceptable only gators (dollars)...
Anita: I like what you write and I suppose you have contributed to the swear jar. I would like to also, as I think it's a novel idea. Do you have change for a penny?
He doesn't have to apologize, he's a Democrat! Oh yeah and a sleezebag too!
Same thing.
Bad language from politicians of any and all parties is far too common. It no longer has much shock value. That's hardly an excuse for either applauding or emulating the behaviour. Let's leave the trash talk to politicians and professional athletes.
Except for Joe Biden. We can give him a free pass forever on the "This is a big F'ing deal" stage whisper.
...or, when George Bush "whispered" an expletive about a reporter to Cheney while on a campaign speech...
Jeffery,
Yea and Carl Paladino's nasty website....Hello Pot, Meet Kettle...