Just take a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upYdbkSnd0M

Mixed Bag, We can expect more of this type of behavior because the situation is really going to get bad, and I mean real bad, if Ra( Coon) goes down against O'Donnell or Cuomo goes down against Palladino "(you're my man) Hehe. The feathers is really going to fly.

Looks like the Chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party spoke with some passion. Maybe he is reducing that so called enthusiasm gap.

Nice to see everyone's flying off the handle these days. Thank God I'm not alone.

Cuban Who Knows nothing about the difference between a communist and a center left politician. I could easily call your conservative leaders fascists, but I won't becuase I hold myself to a higher standard.

This is the democratic party in OH. Useless, rude, and uncaring.... unless of course your in the union, but if your not - your beneath their notice.

Thats why im throwing my votes behind the Republicans. The democrats here arent worth my vote, they cant be bothered with my concerns.

name calling and personal attacks are the tools of someone who has already lost their argument. i understand democrats are all upset about the upcoming spanking they are going to get in november but that is no reason for personal attacks against someone you may disagree with richard780604. voicing a opinion or counter argument in a mature manner is a much better way to get your point across without making yourself look like a immature bigot.

Nothing's too good in OH for the UNIONS!!! Of course be damned to everyone else who lives here.

Maybe he was channeling Dick Cheney.

i find it rather funny that so many can be critical of punctuation and grammar, could it be just a ruse to take away from the message itself? you can't counter argue the point so you attack the structure of the statement, classic democratic ploy.

no it could be just a symptom of the breakdown of what is important, much like what the wingnuts pretend to be significant to them. Actually as I ponder it, it sort of supports the idea that the wingnuts aren't too... oh let's say "sophisticated" to be polite.

I'm thinking a little less god in schools and a little more readin', writin' and 'rithmatic' might be just the ticket...

BOBO

"that is why I am throwing my "votes" behind the Republicans".....guess that is why you repubs win in Ohio, eh - "votes" as in plural! worked in 2004 why not try it again!

As a resident of NE Ohio, the Democratic Party is in shambles. The stronghold of the Democrats in Ohio is NE Ohio. But in the last 2-1/2 weeks, approximately 10 Democratic office holders in the Cleveland area have been arrested and indicted b the FBI on corruption and bribery charges. The Democratic candidates for Governor and Senator(Strickland and Fisher) have not run one positive ad. Only negative attack ads trying to scare the residents of Ohio. They have been in charge of Ohio for four years in which time we have lost almost 500,000 jobs. Now they are blaming Kasich and Portman who weren't in office for losing all the job. Both GOP candidates are up in the polls between 8 to 14 points and the margin is showing no sign of dropping. This is a state which Obama won 57% of the vote in 2008

It reminds of the time when Dick Cheney told all of Congress to F-off, or when Joe Biden said this is big f-ing deal. It just isn't that big of news except to the elitest dumb, born rich crowd who would rather call names then think in a humantarium manner.

Not that it matters, but im an independant. Second, if your issue with me is spelling - thats fine - apparently you have very little else to argue about my post and resort to name calling. How very big of you- what are you 13? Its a forum post, not a college thesis - i dont really care about grammer on a forum post.

My concerns are this - I have written my congress people and senators multiple times the past couple years inquiring about legislation, who, what, why etc. Senator Brown either 1) couldnt be bothered to respond or 2) responded with form letters ignoring my questions and just rehashing talking points. Senator Voinovich responded to my inquiry and acknowledged myself and my inquiries.

To me it seems the democrats only care about you if you fall into one of their special groups. Im not in the union, im not a trial laywer, im not considered poor nor rich, in not a woman, im not a minority. The democrats couldnt be bothered with my issues. So yes, this election - ill be supporting the republicans.

Now you can take that or leave it. Doesn't matter to me what the opinion of random liberal on a forum thinks of my views of grammar, but that is the reason why im not a fan of Ohio democrats, they have done nothing but ignore me. Even if i dont agree with the republicans on many issues, they at least took the time to acknowledge and address my issues - which to me, is what a congress person is suppose to do. And the last time i checked, i can vote for whoever i wish - but i figured i would at least share the reason behind my decision to back the republicans.

You may commence with the grammar lessons and name calling if it makes you feel better.

Buurrrrrrnnnnn!

Look out Bobo! The grammar Police are out in full force! Better use spell check and hire a proof reader! Grammar errors are unacceptable in comment sections on the Newsvine! Your poorly written comment is now on your permanent record.

It doesn't matter to me Dman. I simply will state my point, my reason and move on. If people are that angry/petty/bitter that they have nothing to say beyond grammar, that is their issue, not mine. If the want to argue my logic, or reasons- thats fine. If they wish to name call and audit grammar- thats fine too. I hope their day gets better. Life is too short to let the anger of annonymous people bother me.

I think its entertaining,

I was laughing hysterically when Wiener was pitching his little fit on the house floor like 5 year old, then shaking his head with his sleeves rolled up like a disgusted parent after they tried to pull one of those sneakers like prince Harry just did. Whats it going to be then...act like a child or an adult? Like NO ONE can see though that crap. They're diggin' their own hole...idiots

Cuban who knows and Bobo the Clown: Hilarious and outstanding comments from both!!! Please keep it up!

As "we all easily notice" brain-dead Socialist Liberal (since they have no original thoughts of their own) SPECIALIZE in "trolling for posters they can attack" for trivial reasons.

Oh, and of course since those Socialist Liberals seem to feel they can instruct others how to live... I'm sure you'll notice how THEY question "a person's right or reason for posting at all?" Which is so typical of Socialists... instructing "others" on conforming to their parasitic and slave-minded policies.

"We'll have NO Freedom of Speech and NO Freedom of Thought either!"

Liberals are coming "completely UNGLUED" and their ignorance prevents them from comprehending how useless and ineffective the Democrat Socialist Party of America is.

By November 3rd... they're going to "completely lose control!"

It is so much fun to watch them IMPLODE!

peace :)

Uh, Bo Bo, just what are your legislative concerns? What made Sen. Voinovich's responses so much better than Sen. Brown's? What's with the union phobia? Why so anti-labor? Talk about special interests? Why incur more of a deficit so that incomes of $250k or more (2% of taxpayers) can keep a tax break? Think that will benefit you? How? Isn't THAT a special interest? If not, why not?

Ray W., I live in northeast Ohio, too. If you're NOT scared, you're not paying attention. All Kasich talks about are tax cuts; this after a year in which there was an $8 billion gap in the budget! He's talking about phasing out income tax. As voters, we need to pin Kasich down as to what specifically he won't fund and what taxes he'll raise to make up the gap that eliminating income taxes will create. Tennessee has no income tax, but it's got a 10.5% sales tax. Wonder how THAT works out for the average guy! Strickland may be negative, but Kasich has been vague as hell! Don't look for any school funding changes. I've got a daughter in 8th grade and I just hope I can get her through high school before what's left of public education in this state gets shot totally to hell!

Wow B Dune- someone pissed in your cornflakes this morning. I responded because its called dialog. This is a forum, its meant to be a place of discussion. That requires people to respond to points given. I dont care means im not going to honk my nose in frustration and trip over my big red shoes because someone doesnt seem to like me for grammar or because they are liberal/conservative that cant stand anyone that doesnt agree with them.

And my sock puppet is not Dmann, its Peanuts, and now his feelings are hurt.

If you didnt like my logic - i would ask what part of it you had an issue with. I contact congressman, congressman ignores me, i contact other congressman, congressman acknowledges me. I throw vote behind congressman that acknowledges me.

Here's a tissue by the way- no need to cry. And why would i move because im not a fan of the way a political party handles itself in my area? That seems a bit extreme doesnt it? Why not simply vote for the other party?

Hope your day gets better B Dune - i can make you a balloon animal? Maybe a Donkey? You seem to be angry at anyone else.

Auntie Fascist - Sen. Voinovich's response was better because it addressed my questions, whereas Sen. Brown didnt respond to my questions - if he did respond it was a form letter that didnt address what i asked. You'll forgive me if i doubt the sincerity of your inquiry as all you had say earlier was how rancid my grammar was.

I wouldn't say im Union-phobic - but yes - im not a fan of Unions. I personally feel they dont benefit the worker. They take their money, then waste it. How many millions did they waste smearing canidates that ended up winning an election? I dont find the Unions useful. I dont feel they are necessary. I view Unions as a way to protect bad workers. If you are a good worker - you dont need the protection of anyone -your work ethic and production will speak for itself. Thankfully, as an accountant, i dont have to worry about Unions taking my money.

I don't agree with extending tax cuts on people over $250K. I think they should expire - but that isnt the only issue i am considering. Personally, i think neither party particularly cares about me. So i am going to back the one that at least acts like they care. The republicans acknowledged my questions. I didnt say because im voting republican that i agree with all of their issues - do you agree with every single issue the Democrats champion? If so - more power to you - personally i have to vote for the canidate that i agree with on the most issues, but its not going to be all issues. And again, i would prefer to thow my hat in the ring with the party that at least treats me as a person.

So while the republicans are fighting for the extension of tax cuts for that 2% - that doesnt mean i agree with it, nor does it mean im backing those special interests. And no, it wont benefit me, nor do i feel it will benefit the country. But if you only have the choice of 2 canidates, the odds of agreeing with every point they back is very small. If your choosing to back the democrats - thats your choice- i wont knock you for it, thats the beauty of this country - we all can vote for who we feel will represent us best.

Bobo

geez, I went and got a haircut, mowed the lawn and you're still whining?

I thought you would "move on" because that is what you promised you were going to do in post #1.21.

Look, it is obvious you are still dealing with issues from early childhood when the teacher didn't put a smiley face on some drawing you took home and you need some constant reinforcement....hopefully the comments by "dmannn and speedy palm" are helping you fill the voids and giving you that sense of self worth.

I'm sure you are pretty good at making the balloon animals - you were probably the best in your therapy group...you might give "speedy palm" some tips - he obviously is tiring of making the pot holders in his classes.

Have a good one -

B Dune - if i bother you that much, feel free to ignore me. I didnt promise to go away - i said i would move on, which i did - to the next post.

Peanuts - my sock puppet fills my void, that and the laughter of children.... oh yea, and my wife.

While i cant do a balloon animal for you, which to be honest judging how 'nice' you have been, you would prolly just pop them anyways, i decided to make some text animals for you.

(\__/) Here is a bunny to attempt to brighten your day, you need it.
(='.'=)
(")_(")

___\\||//_________\\||//_— Here's the big bad REPUBLICAN! Oooooooo!
. . .| | . . . . . . . . | |
. . . \ .\__( o.o )__/. /
. . . .\ . . . . . . . . . /
. . . . | . . . . . . . .|
. . . ./ . . . /\ . . . .\
. . _| . . ./ . .\ . . . |_
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Thank you for the wish of a good day - i truely hope you have one as well, i dont get the hostility - but hey if thats what makes you happy, i kind of feel bad for you, but do your thing man.

I was thinking the exact same thing. What a class act this guy is. On the other hand, I'm sure both sides do the same thing. It just happens this guy got caught taking a ride of the failboat.

When Dick Cheney leveled his "F-bomb" at a member of Congress he didn't even bother to apologize. As a matter of fact, he said in response to questions about it that the guy deserved it. How is that for class?

You know, Bush and Cheney made him say it. They left it to him when they left office. It was inherited a remnant from the past administration. That's the only excuse, I mean what else could it be? The fact that he didn't say it immediately shows that the Obama machine is falling apart. Someone should have been whispering in his ear to blame Bush.

LOL,,,Dick Cheney comes to mind when i hear a person like Lilly trying to be the suave one.

Dick Cheney did it in private in the Senate cloak room not in a public speaking forum.

Dan, you mentioned Cheney's use of the F bomb. Let's not forget Biden's F-word at a very serious occasion on national TV. Of course, it was alright "he's just being Joe" and I understand Obama thought it was funny. How sad.

Drive-by-Observer, maybe this guy should call Hilary and get some tips on channeling; her seance to channel Eleanor Roosevelt didn't go too well.

They are scrambling, that's for sure.

Heck, I'd vote for the DEVIL if he was Republican, fortunately, he has been Democrat for decades now.

It must be "OK" because the guy's another brain-dead, Liberal dweeb? I guess?

Like how Dingy Harry Reid described Obama?

"Well, he has "light skin tone and does not speak with a negro dialect?" Stunning remark?

Jesse Jackson, referring to Obama, remarked, "I'd like to CUT his *nutz* off? Real classy?

No problem at all? After all... he is a Democrat?

By the way... Dick Cheney was not being shy when he siad "FU" to Patrick Leahy. Even though it was a somewhat PRIVATE conversation, Cheney actually said it "clearly and distinctly" right on the floor of the Senate.

Personally, I loved it! Cheney's metaphor was perfectly appropriate considering the turd he was speaking to.

Biden's remark at the "national press podium exemplified "staggering stupidity!"

In the end... none of these verbal metaphors count for anything from either side.

I don't care if they swear in 50 languages... as long as they actually make serious efforts to HELP the American citizens and the American economy.

Our country and our economy is in "serious trouble" so I'd rather "skip the formal BS and do something CONSTRUCTIVE.

Nov 2nd is "only their first wake up call!

LOTS more to follow. These political parasites made one giant mistake with their blundering... they have "awoken a sleeping giant called main stream Americans and yes, we are ticked off and sick of their insane crap!"

Now a peaceful, orderly opposition of Independent voters will make them pay the price for years to come!

peace :)

dirt

There are f-bombs that are insults, like Cheney's, and there are f-bombs that are just profanity. Joe Biden's quote was in a moment of joy when he said something like "This is a big f-ing deal". See the difference.

I agree, I don't want to have to pay for insurance to cover my children and the goverment shouldn't have to pay either, I am a Republican! If my kids get sick, I will just take them to the ER and then try to pay the bill, or not. Let the doctors pay for it, its not like the insurance companies or the govt pay more to the ER to cover my medical bills, that would be socialism.....

If your kid gets a bad case of strep throat (one example) after they're 18 but before they graduate college and work (about 4 years) and doesn't go to the doctor because they can't afford to, it may progress to rheumatic fever, they'll develop an infected heart valve, go to the ER, and be on antibiotics for years, and taxpayers foot this huge bill. BUT if they are still covered on the family policy which the dad already has, they go to the doctor when they're really sick, get antibiotics, it doesn't progress to rheumatic fever and the cost is a fraction. That's the sh!t he was talking about. Don't get hung up on the language.

So at what age does the kid become an adult? I fully understand and think its great that they can stay on the parent's insurance after the get out of school or college. Until they find a job. Which in the current economy is very very difficult to do. But where will it stop, next year is someone going to say, "well all 26 year olds are 27, can't find a job need to extend the age limit to 30. Okay that sounds reasonable, but what happens when their parents die, whose insurance will they be on then?

Undisconnect,

Both of my children are in college, and are still carried on my health insurance plan, and have been since they started college. Virtually all college students can be covered on the parents health plan, that's neither new, nor exceptional. Your arguement about rhuematic fever is interesting, but I wonder how many cases actually progress that far, given that rhuematic fever has been well controlled in the U.S., to the best of my knowledge, the last outbreak was in the mid 1980's.

Undisconnect,

My kid should have a job before then. Hopefully, he will have one before he is 26. Why should I pay for his health care when he is an adult. Why should I have that extra expense? I mean once they move out and move on, why should I as the parent have to cover his health insurance until he reaches that age? So, you think that that is ok. My company has different prices to pay. So, if he graduates, has his own job that has health coverage but he isn't yet to that age, should I pay for his insurance or should he pay for his own? If someone has step throat, he can go to the doctor and get that covered without going through all the crap you are talking about. Why go to the emergency room? Go to your family doctor. Not all doctors require insurance, and he can get the medicine he needs so that he doesn't get rheumatic fever or an infected heart valve. I still think that it is stupid that parents are supposed to cover insurance for their children until they are 26. If that happens then the drinking age should be changed and the kids should have to listen to their parents. Have the age of concent changed to 26, forbid marriages before 26 and don't allow them any freedoms of being an adult until they are 26.

As long as you've already cashed that last (I hope) $7,000 Farm Subsidy check. Very classy!

Yep, now you see where the Dems on all of these discussion sites learn their tactics: when you can't compete with your opposition's views, simply insult him! In this case, a particularly classy performance by a state party leader. Wow!

Yeah, just like a democrat to use the F-bomb. Republicans never use the F-bomb, oh wait, except Dick Chenney on the floor of the senate. Was that a particularly classy performance by a vice president?

He DID respond to the issue, then let the frustration many of us feel with the unthinking borg on the right come to the surface. Was his language a bit "strong" for the public forum? Yes. Was it well-deserved by his targets? ABSOLUTELY. As soon as the "ME ME ME" Tea Partiers acknowledge that ALL Americans deserve quality health care, not just the privileged few who are wealthy or the drones who sell their souls to them, then I'll apologize for the many times I have felt and expressed the exact same sentiment about them.

As for the Dems "getting their butts kicked," the only people feeling the venom of the Tea Party right now are the Repub candidates in the primaries. If you look honestly at the turnouts in those elections, they are dismal! It's funny how the scuttle butt is that the Dems are not "fired up," yet it is the Repubs who can't get their voters to the polls for the primaries! Before the Tea Partiers start reading tea leaves to predict a November sweep, they better think long and hard about how all the no show Repubs from the primaries are going to vote. They obviously didn't think ANY candidates in their primary were worth voting for, and I'm betting they're just as horrified by the craziness coming from the Tea fringes as I am, and many of them will swing vote. Winning a primary with only a 10 or 15% voter turnout FROM YOUR OWN BASE is NOT a good indicator of electability in the general election! It clearly indicates just how much a minority the Tea Partiers ARE ... they have BIG MOUTHS, but no ideas worth voting for.

@Carl D.-580212: So it's alright when a Republican VP uses it on the floor of the Senate, but not when spoken by a Democrat at an endorsement meeting?

spiritdance

As for the Dems "getting their butts kicked," the only people feeling the venom of the Tea Party right now are the Repub candidates in the primaries. If you look honestly at the turnouts in those elections, they are dismal! It's funny..."

Dear Professor,

It IS!

September 7, 2010 5:42 PM

Democratic Primary Turnout Lowest in 80 Years, Study Shows

More Republicans voted in this year's statewide primary elections than Democrats, according to a new study, marking the first time GOP turnout has exceeded Democratic turnout in midterm primaries since 1930. Republican turnout exceeded Democratic turnout in the primaries held through August 28 by more than four million votes, according to Curtis Gans, director of American University's Center for the Study of the American Electorate"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20015753-503544.html

haha?

CNN's Alex Castellanos likes to say that the Tea Party feasted on Republican appetizers during the primary election cycle...

But, on November 2nd...

Democrats will be the main course.

df,

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing; merely offering an alternative explanation - perhaps Dems aren't showing up in the Primaries because we see no point in 'in-fighting'. We will show up on November 2nd and pull the lever for anything but an R; and we don't need a ton of convincing. Because the alternatives being bandied about aren't alternatives, they're death knells. And we want no part of it - so yeah,...a crazy DEM trumps the defunct elephant any day and TWICE on election day.

Are you seriously making a point against healthcare for children? healthcare should be a RIGHT for everyone, especially children. And all of you can talk about how it's going to cost so much money blah blah blah. But how about taking a look at that tax cut for the 98% of americans that democrats are trying to pass? oh wait you can't since republicans are refusing to pass it unless they include the top 2% in the mix. All the republicans care about are their special interest groups and the top 2% as they are clearly showing. As a student who was recently dropped from my single mothers healthcare because I turned 18, this will affect me greatly. And I can assure you I'm not the only student I know who has been dropped from their healthcare. I understand if you don't like democrats or liberals or whatever, but can you not find the decency to at least agree that in a country as great as America the people who live here should at least be granted freedom from the risks of dying just because you're poor?

No one says that you can't have health care, we are saying that health insurance is not a right. All people can go to a doctor, some might not be able to afford it but that is life. Spiritdance, I am not wealthy but I have a very good health care plan that I pay for from my job. My health insurance from work covers me pretty good but it is not mine by right, it is a benefit from my work. It is against the law to be turned away when it comes to a hospital, so if is an emergency, go to an emergency room. The hospitals have to admit you. I just don't understand where people feel that the American people should pay for those that don't have health insurance. I went to college, earned my degree and have a job that has good benefits. My family is real poor, but I worked it out myself so I could have a good job. No one says that you have to stay at the bottom and live off the government. Get out and better yourself. I also don't understand the class envy. My uncle came from a very poor family. Started his own business and went from being dirt poor to a millionaire. Should I feel jealous of him because he is now rich or should I say that he was blessed and was able to better his own life and that of his family? I don't feel jealous of those that strive to better their selves and I think that is stupid that the government wants to punish those that have made it rich. Not every rich person in America was born with money. Also, those tax cuts that are about to expire are going to hurt small businesses such as my Uncle's. A lot of those businesses are going to have to let people go so that they make the same amount of money. Remember, a business is about making a profit, not about giving someone a job. Increase the amount of money that a business has to pay in taxes and a business will let people go so that they make the same. Look, my mom had a convenience store, after paying all expenses she really did not make a huge amount. Before expenses, it looked like a lot but after not so much. If you add that government required health care to the mix, she would of been in the red. that is what going to happen to a lot of small businesses. they are not going to be able to afford to pay and they either are going to fire people or shut down. It is not going to be pretty, but keep your head in the sand and think that it is going to be better.

Robert, for a college educated person you sound STUNNINGLY naive. Just because people go to the hospital for emergent treatment doesn't mean you aren't already PAYING. You pay in higher premiums. Insurance premiums have being going up ON AVERAGE 15-20%/year for over 15 years now.

PS. You can't get chemo in the emergency room. And, no, hospitals don't have to 'admit' you, they have to treat you. The emergent treatment, not the ongoing keep you alive for years treatment; but the 'stop the bleeding and street you' treatment.

The problem with healthcare is that it shouldn't be tied to employment. As evidenced by the down turn in the economy, when the jobs disappear, the burden of the now uninsured and unable to pay on the healthcare system is far greater. We use to be a country of exceptionalism; but now we are a country of selfish schmucks.

That's because you have no respect for anyone including yourself.

Just like Dick Cheney when he did it right proamerica? He also had no respect for anyone.

Words are words. There are no inherently good or bad ones - just good or bad connotations that individuals assign to them. I have no respect for anyone who gets worked up over one word.

Ron, the Tea Movement was not funded , it was formed from millions of everyday Americans whom you and your dumb Dems chose to ignore from the beginning. Remember those town hall meetings where hard working , good patriots, citizens of the Republic whose ancestors fought so long and hard against the British were treated by Spector and his ilk. You have yourself to blame. You and the Dems never stopped for one moment to listen to the voice of WE THE PEOPLE. Now, you're paying the price.

Ron, the DEMS are bank rolled by the Nazi colabarator Soros but that doesn't seem to bother you does it? He's made a fortune by ruining the ecocomies of England, Indonesia and he's trying to do it with the USA now. So to qoate that union offical Go F yourself.

Ron: you're wrong! The Tea Party, just like myself, are made up of PEOPLE who came together because it was very apparent in a very short time, what the Obama agenda was to socialism. I date back to the Eisenhower days and NEVER have I seen ANYTHING in OUR White House like this guy. I find it interesting that he and his czars have stirred such emotions across this land. I've never "feared FOR" my country as I do with him

JuvenBachan

Ron, the Tea Movement was not funded , it was formed from millions of everyday Americans whom you and your dumb Dems chose to ignore from the beginning. Remember those town hall meetings where hard working , good patriots, citizens of the Republic whose ancestors fought so long and hard against the British were treated by Spector and his ilk. You have yourself to blame. You and the Dems never stopped for one moment to listen to the voice of WE THE PEOPLE. Now, you're paying the price.

--There you go with the "good patriots".....

Did you take a look at those silver haired old peeps, screaming about the government take-over of their healthcare?.....Ignorance personafied!

Did they refuse to use those Medicare/Medicaid benefits/Military Medicine....or stop cashing those social security checks! I seriously doubt it! OLD IDIOTS bought and paid for by big pharma, big oil, big insurance.......railing against the government that they live off of.

Juven, you need to recheck your facts my friend. not only is funded by the Koch brothers you also have Dick Army pulling strings~~O and not a Democrat here either.

The tea party is full of good patriots you dems don't understand. Good patriots who just want the government to keep their greedy hands off their medicare.

Keep believing the Tea Party isn't paid for by the ultra rich. You will be happier if you live in a state of denial. This is just the latest vehicle for the richest Americans to control the country much like riding the socially conservitive movement.

Wow, all these Tea Partiers are blasting reading from the dem playbook, yet have almost exactly the same statement several times from different people, chilled, Annie and Juaven look like someone cut and pasted the same comment...

The Koch brothers HAVE funded the teabaggers, they STARTED it. Then promoted it on Fox News.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

You fools are nothing but DUPES for the corporate elite.

Juven here are just a few of dozens of articles on how the Koch brothers are behind and supporting the Tea Party.

http://www.minnpost.com/derekwallbank/2010/08/30/20975/report_koch_industries_leaders_quietly_bankrolling_tea_party_philosophy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/dear-angry-american-joini_b_734664.html?ref=twitter

http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/ingemusings/archives/2009/12/billionaire-bro.html

http://theweek.com/article/index/206405/the-billionaire-koch-brothers-tea-party-puppetmasters

The astroturf people are in denial/anger...stage one/two...

Whatever the tea party is, it isn't being controlled by the republican party, or anyone else. Republican leaders are just as, if not more afraid of them than the democrats, and that should tell the conspiracy theorists all they need to know.

Dangerfield: you are mistaking well-deserved contempt for fear.

Well, JuvenBachan and Annie Rich,

I see there are two posts with links stating that Dick Armey and the Koch Brothers ARE funding the Tea Party.

So, am I supposed to believe either of you or my lying eyes?

Can either of you refute the links and articles that give us information that the founders of the Tea Party are rich ex-REPUBLICAN politicians and industrialists? What happened to the PEOPLE who 'supposedly' got together to form a Party? Do you think that RICH industrialists really speak for the PEOPLE?

Looks to me like you - and the people who gave their 'heart' to the Tea Party - got PUNKED.

DUPED.

HOODWINKED.

HAD.

SNOOKERED.

LIED TO.

So what say you, Juven? What say you Annie Rich?

So, Ron in Colorado, are you as incensed by the "tens of millions" that are funneled to the Dems and Reps? Do you have a problem with the millions in union dollars that are sent to the Dems? Are you concerned with Moveon.org's contributions; they don't even have to disclose where their funds come from. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, Ron.

I would like disclosure from ALL sources for everybody. I also look at who gets what for the money they spend. I see republicans consistently giving back to their corporate elite backers.

Don't try to pretend the teabaggers are more than corporate hacks. They may not be smart enough to know they are being manipulated, but some Americans are smart enough to see exactly what they are.

dangerfield

Whatever the tea party is, it isn't being controlled by the republican party, or anyone else. Republican leaders are just as, if not more afraid of them than the democrats, and that should tell the conspiracy theorists all they need to know.

Yesterday was World Alzheimer's Day. I made all you doubting Judas’ a list on several occasions.

New Yorker’s Jane Mayer published an explosive investigative piece detailing the role of the Koch family in orchestrating not only the Tea Party movement, but much of the modern right-wing infrastructure. The brothers David and Charles Koch, heirs to the oil and chemical conglomerate Koch Industries, have founded or funded dozens of conservative or libertarian publications, think tanks, and attack groups. Their father, Fred Koch, similarly fueled the paranoid right-wing movements of the fifties and sixties through his financing of the John Birch Society.

Here is the list again:

FreedomWorks, whose Koch-founded precursor, Citizens for a Sound Economy, received some $5.7 million from Koch foundations.

• Americans for Prosperity, which received at least $5.1 million from Koch Foundations from 2005-2008 and is an offshoot of the Koch-founded Economy Foundation, which itself received more than $6 million from Koch foundations.
• The American Highway Users Alliance, of which Koch Industries is a member.
• Americans for Tax Reform, which received $60,000 from Koch Foundations from 1997-2008.
• The Institute for Policy Innovation, which received $35,000 from Koch foundations.
• The National Petrochemical and Refiners Association, of which Koch Industries is a member.
• The National Taxpayers Union, which has received $20,000 from Koch foundations.
• The Natural Gas Supply Association, of which Koch Industries appears to be a member.
• The Texas Prosperity Project, on whose board of directors sits Bill Oswald, Government & Regulatory Affairs Director at Koch Industries.
• The Corpus Christi Chamber of Commerce, which recently held anevent sponsored by Flint Hills Resources, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Koch Industries.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/01/koch-jobs-rally/

Is Dick Armey of "FreeDumb Works" not a former the former Republican Majority Leader?

Freedom Works staffers coordinate conference calls among protesters,contacting conservative activists to give them “sign ideas, sample press releases, and a map of events around the country.”

– Freedom Works staffers apparently moved to “take over” the planning of local events in Florida.

– Freedom Works provides how-to guides for delivering a “clear message” to the public and media.

– Freedom Works has several domain addresses — some of them made to look like they were set up by amateurs — to promote the protests.

– Americans for Prosperity is writing press releases and planning the events in New Jersey, Arizona, New Hampshire.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/09/lobbyists-planning-teaparties/

Who do think pays for some of the signs and buses?

Many of the pre-made signs had small “AFP” markers on them. AFP (Americans for Prosperity/Patients First) started a group called "Patients First" to oppose health care.^[4] Patients First conducts bus tours around the country to create opposition to health care reform. Americans for Prosperity/Patients First visit cities and speaks to rally people and encourage them to oppose health care reform.

This links may be lengthy but they will explain a lot to you.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

Just as Moveon.Org is funded by George Soros. So what is your point?

The point, Janet, is that Annie Rich and Juven Bachan stated that the Tea party was, and I am quoting Annie Rich, 'are made up of PEOPLE who came together because it was very apparent in a very short time, what the Obama agenda was to socialism'.

That assertion, as quoted above, as been effectively and efficiently DEBUNKED. That assertion is NOT TRUE, and I feel more sorry for Annie and Juven than upset because they have been lied to.

THAT's the point.

It's "doubting Thomas"...

If it makes the stage 2-ers feel better to believe that the tea party is being driven by "outside agitators", just like the folks who said the same thing about the civil rights and anti-war (You could look it up.) movements, and it does seem to, feel free.

Right wing extremists believe George Soros is the evil puppet master pulling the strings in the Obama administration and around the world. It's only fair that there be another "Bogeyman" for the other side, lest the fringe-crazies on the left would feel, well left OUT...:)

All conspiracy theories exist to comfort those who are terrified at the utter randomness of the universe. Far be it from me to try to take that away...

Funny thing is tell a right-wing extremist about the Koch Bros, or a Left-wing extremist about Soros, and they would tell you "Yer nuts!"...

Dangerfield,

You can nuance the point all you like, but the fact of the matter is this - if the right-wing was at least HONEST about who started and backs their 'cause', we would have a better debate. In this case, the people on the right stated that a RICH Industrialist did NOT start or fund the Tea Party.

It has been shown, unconditionally, forcefully and without prejudice, that assertion is not true. They have NOT been able to refute that fact. Yet they state their assertion(s) as the TRUTH when it is clearly not.

To be honest, I have NO IDEA if George Soros funded Moveon.org. He may have. However, in this debate, that has no bearing because no one on the left said that George Soros DIDN'T fund Moveon.org.

So, right wing, if I am stating an untruth, then refute what has been posted. Show me where the Tea Party was started by 'concerned people'. Provide links showing that Dick Armey and Freedomworks has NOTHING to do with the Tea Party. Provide links showing that the Koch Brothers are NOT bankrolling the Tea Party.

I guess you can say this is a 'put up or shut up' moment.

Any takers?

Grump , you sure can describe the Dems.

Or racist... don't forget RACIST! or maybe he can find a way to blame GWB for this too! ;-)

Your handle says it all

Juven I made my point, I don't need your help.

Classless, perhaps, but not typical. Stop baiting and consider the substance...the guy is correct if he is asserting the Tea Party is wrong-minded in their position that health care is a privilege and not a right. A controversial word choice in a group setting shouldn't derail his message.

All right-wing politicians are classless because Cheney dropped the F-bomb on the Senate floor... oh wait that is a ridiculous conclusion to make.

Hey ripcityhr.... where does it say that health care is a right and NOT a privilege?

All I heard about was the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Beyond that all else is left up to the individual to attain... luckily we all have the freedom to earn it if we want it bad enough!

So maybe people should get their hand out of my pocket and get off their lazy Arse and GO EARN IT!

sickofthebickering

Yep...up to the individual to attain it..but what if they cant? What happens to someone who faces a catastrophe? Are they just left to perish? Have we come to the point where we care for no one but ourselves? WOuld you feel this way if a catastrophe hit you and no had no other means? Just curious...

thewaythingsare...

Catastrophe is a fact of life. Adults deal with it, do the best they can, and move on with life. It is hard and requires sacrifice.

Charity is there to assist those that CANNOT help themselves. But it is NOT the job of the government to provide that charity.

I am a middle-class American who has worked hard all of my life. While I have (at various points in my life) had to face some hard time, I am lucky enough to say that I have never had to deal with what I would call a catastrophe. I recognize the blessing in my life and I give to various charities to assit those that need it. I do NOT however believe that it should be the role of the government to do that.

Sorry... but I believe that humanitarian acts should be performed by humans... giving to one another... not the government.

Just my opinion.

sick, have you ever heard "promote the general welfare"?

Frankly I don't blame the guy for dropping the F bomb. I am SICK of hearing the lies and misrepresentations coming from the right.

You are exposed!!! Promoting the general welfare doesn't mean to supply lazy scumbags welfare or a living!!! Everyone has equal opportunity. If you @!$%#ed that up and want producers to support you, you are in for a long wait. Those days are coming to an end. It is unaffordable and destroying this country.

Lib50,

I do not believe that our forefathers intended the term "Promote the general welfare" to mean CHARITY.

Check out this link... it gives a pretty darn good counter to your argument.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Promote_the_general_welfare_mean

Pretty libertarian views Sick, High-5! I couldn't agree more.

I fully believe we should help our fellow citizens in times of need and catastrophe; however, catastrophe does not equate to 'I have 9 kids and refuse to work'.

Sickof thebickering....I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it. I am a hard working middle class American just as yourself...but I cannot put faith in mankind to do the right thing when it comes to his fellow man...not in todays world where everything seems to come down to greed...If the government does not look out for the people who they work for then we are truly in a bad state. A lot of those people who are getting help from the govt now are not lazy...there jobs have been moved away or lost to create larger profits for shareholders. They have paid into the system but cant get anything back? There are not enough jobs now for the number of people in the market. What should they do? Go off somewhere and die or wait for help from their fellow humans, or break into your home while you are at work and take what you have worked for so they can survive?

Chris, everyone on hard times right now do not have 9 kids and refuse to work.... why is it that everyone assumes that people getting help form the government are lazy deadbeats? If the circumstance ever arose that you you needed government assistance would you consider yourself a deadbeat?

I would work scrubbing sewers with a handbrush before asking the government for help...

Chris, that is a high paying job and one that it not likely to be available....maybe if you were lucky you could flip burgers, but which one of your bills would that pay?

@Chris-1912599: If you were "scrubbing the sewers with a handbrush" you would be getting government help since you would be a City Employee.

But if you are that dedicated to remaining off of government assistance, the city where I live has cut a lot of those jobs out of the budget. So if you want to come scrub sewers I'm sure they would allow you to volunteer.

I say we keep health care and get rid of Welfare. If a person on welfare:

1. refuses to go to school / work (and perform!) - lets say for over 3 mths on welfare

2. is arrested for drugs / gangs

3. keeps having babies with no supporting daddies (especially under the age of 18)

then they need to be taken off the welfare roles - let their families support them - but STOP taking my money. (As for the babies - they will have health care - see above)

I agree with sick_n_tired. Why should we keep supporting those that just want to live on the tax payers dime. there are some around here where I live that just keep having kids, all with different daddies so that they keep the money coming in. I also agree if they are arrested for drugs or any felony that they should be off the dole. Why should the tax payers money go towards felons or drug users. What I hate to see is when I go grocery shopping and have to spend my money to get groceries and see someone that is driving a new car, wearing expensive clothes and jewelery yet they are on food stamps and are buying 2 buggies worth of food. If they can't buy their own food, how can they afford the new car and the expensive clothing? They must be working pretty good to buy that stuff yet they are still on food stamps? Some times it just doesn't seem like it is worth working hard because those that don't live better than those that do.

I have no problem with sick_n_tired_1 solution as long as it does not affect those that really need it and from what I see it won't. And people will no longer be referred to as deadbeats simply because times are hard. I don't know if you are a conservative or not but if you are I am glad that you see that there is a need for some social programs.

I have no problems with sick_n_tired's solutions either, but that is not a realistic assertion. You will ALWAYS have people on the dole; you CANNOT eliminate it. The best you can do is to CONTAIN it.

I see a lot of posts where people are 'tired of those who are gaming the system'. I see where people assert that they are 'tried of paying for someone else'.

You know what? You are ALREADY PAYING for someone else and will continue to do so until you die.

That's the fact.

No Pietro, you say. That's not true, How am I paying for 'those people that dont want to do for themselves'?

Well, it's a pretty simple answer, really.

We ALL pay for insurance to protect yourselves against theft and bodily harm. Note the operative word - PAY.

We all pay taxes to make sure that those who broke the law are incarcerated. Notice the word - PAY.

We all pay the salaries of the sherrifs to make sure those who are incarcerated do NOT get out and create mayhem in society. Notice the word - PAY.

I could go on, but do you get my drift?

This 'talking point' that many on the right (and some on the left) seem to gravitate toward is a problem that NEVER can be solved. This talking point is used to pit 'us' v. 'them' - and the outcome is for political gain.

Can ANYONE provide ANY proof that in the 235 years that America has been a country, we didn't have people who were poor, disabled, disfigured, diseased that the collective societies of those times didn't provide some sort of refuge or money for that refuge so they were away from 'polite' society?

Even the leper colonies had people give them food and water as long as they stayed away from the rest of society. That is a form a 'payment', isn't it?

I would say don't get caught up in that trap of looking at what someone else has as opposed to you. You have NO IDEA how that seeming poor person got half the stuff they do have. You have NO IDEA of what support system(s) they have that they use to make ends meet. Speculation of that is foolhardy, and it will just drive you crazy.

and for what? A political/partisan view?

For a problem that will NEVER go away completely?

That's something to think about, eh?

California Tom - "we're the big boys are"? "we're"?? Are you perhaps a product of the California public school system and unable to understand the difference between "we're" and "where"?

What is this real lesson the Tea Party supporters whom you erroneously refer to as "Tea Baggers" will be learning in high school "we're" you apparently hang out, Tom?

Rick,

I love this line even better - "They think their so tough and smart". Use of the their instead of they're when talking about "smart". CLASSIC!

JC - I guess you and I are not "tough and smart enough". Oh well...................lmao

Cal mooch, errr, Tom, you obviously never paid attention in high school. By the racist, derogatory posts you and other lemmings write, you are surely lacking in education. You should take note of we, evil, wealthy, college educated grown ups and at least try to better yourselves.

I'll pit my 4 degrees against yours any day, and I can use my English PhD to state clearly and correctly that the vast majority of the Tea Partiers I have talked to or heard from are selfish, hypocritical, ME ME ME people who condemn anyone who doesn't agree with them as lazy welfare recipients. The so-called Welfare State is a Reagan created myth that the Tea Party's wealthy backers are trying to ride back to control of this country so they can continue spending our nation's wealth on U.S. colonialism and corporate pandering. There are some people who take advantage of the system, but most of the people who are in need of help are NOT "welfare lifers." They are the disabled; they are unemployed who have PAID for their unemployment insurance; they are single parents trying to make it in a two-income world; they are seniors who need help paying their heating bills ... they are the ones Jesus spent his life reaching out to. Jesus would throw most of the Tea Partiers and many Repubs out of the temple if he came back today.

Spirit-(or should I say Professor Irwin Cory?)

So even super-duper-mega intellect, multiple degrees and an admirable and endearing humility in concealing them are no guarantee of zealously falling for one wrong-headed ideology over the other?...

What is the hope for us mere mortals?...

Really? Jesus? I somehow doubt using Jesus in this argument makes the point you want to make. After all, I doubt Jesus would forcibly take from one to give to another. I do in fact believe he said to give freely that which you wish to give.

By the way it's only a 'two income world' if you HAVE to have that new 50 inch HD widescreen TV, or you HAVE to have the newest fashion clothes. Instead of blowing 250 dollars on a purse how about you buy a 5.99er from Wal-Mart; or better yet, try Salvation Army. Whatever happened to hand-me-downs?

Also, I'd like to apologize for my grammar as I'm fully aware it cannot possibly compete with yours considering you have an English PhD and I only have a GED...

"Cal mooch, errr, Tom, you obviously never paid attention in high school. By the racist, derogatory posts you and other lemmings write, you are surely lacking in education. You should take note of we, evil, wealthy, college educated grown ups and at least try to better yourselves."

I did not direct my comment to you, Chris or Dangerfield, but since you chose to call me out yet did not have a problem with the post I quote here, perhaps one of youi could explain the "rule" to me. At what level of education is it okay to criticize someone's post on grammar rather than content? Must one have just a Bachelor's degree? Or can one have a Master's degree? Perhaps the cut off point is an AA from the local community college. What about someone with multiple Master's but no PhD? Tell me, at what point does this become arrogance, since you obviously don't think 1antiliberal was being "stuck up"? Frankly, I don't typically "throw my degrees around," but I can't stand to see someone blast another post for trivialities just because its author holds an opposing viewpoint. The young man/woman who became a target for the post I quote was expressing his/her position just as the rest of us are. To lambast that post for its grammar is an indication that the responder has nothing better/more intelligent to say. So if you're going to call me out for mentioning my degrees, perhaps you should go back to the beginning of this thread and note how your fellow conservatives handled the issue, which is what prompted my response.

As for Jesus not "taking" anything, he most certainly WOULD have called out the ME ME ME people for their greed, which was my point. Furthermore, no one is TAKING anything from you; you are contributing to the system that made if possible for you to succeed. This capitalist system does not function without a healthy labor force that also consumes, i.e. buys groceries, pays utility bills, etc. When the working poor cannot meet those needs, our whole system suffers. Stop buying into the "welfare state" myth Reagan started and educate yourself about the people you criticize. The data is there if you look for it.

Finally, it most certainly IS a two-income world when health insurance for a family of 4 takes one of those incomes, which is the reality for much of the working class. Add to that the increasing costs for many of life's most basic needs such as gasoline, groceries, etc., and the last thing many families can even consider these days is new clothes.Your reference to expensive purses is juvenile at best. Obviously, you have either been fortunate enough to enjoy upper middle class or better status, or you do not pay your own health care. In either case, your criticism clearly demonstrates your lack of understanding. Stop being so self-centered and develop a little empathy. You might even find that life has more to offer than the money you are so focused on.

spiritdance, what planet do you live on? As you look around and notice that the government wants to increase taxes so that everyone has health insurance. Not coverage but insurance. We all have health coverage due to laws that are in force now that state that no one can be turned away from a public hospital. So, all of us that work will pay higher taxes so those that don't work can be covered. I myself think that I rather have my money than give it to some lazy bum that doesn't want to work. yes, I know that there are a lot of folks that want jobs but can't find them, but you also have those that rather sit on their butts and let the government take care of them. So, you can't say that all of those folks that live off of the tax payers dime want to get out and find a job. Like I stated in a previous post, I have seen those on food stamps that own brand new cars and are wearing some expensive clothes and are wearing expensive jewelery. You can't tell me that they don't have money coming in. If they can afford spinners for their car, they should be able to buy their own food. And in some areas of this country there is a welfare state. If you look in the south you will find a lot of areas where people live off the government rather than working. So, come back to the real world instead of your fantasy one.

Robert - before spiritdance tears you a new one, I just want to say this - you are NEVER going to get everyone to take care of themselves COMPLETELY. It is a fallacy to think that is the case. I would agree that is SUCKS to have to pay taxes to support able bodied people. The fact of the matter is that we ALL are going to have to pay ANWYAY. The trick is to LIMIT what you pay and to LIMIT the FREQUENCY of what you are going to pay.

You mention in your post about people who are taking advantage of the system. I cannot refute that. What I CAN say is that instead of paying for that person to stay on Welfare, why not provide the monies for them to get the proper schooling so that they DON'T HAVE TO go on welfare? That would be better for all, correct?

The problem that I see is that a lot of the 'simpler' remedies are being defunded. We have less opportunities if we don't have the proper education, correct? So why is it SO HARD for us to get the education we need? Why is it SO EXPENSIVE for a person to get an education at a University?

I mean, if we are going to pay for our fellow man (and we do every day), wouldn't it be more sensible to put your money where everyone gets the most benefit?

I was debating a right-wing poster about this and this poster, SoldiersDad, came up with a pretty good solution for the people on welfare. He said why don't we put these people to work for their welfare? At first, being the left-winger that I am, I scoffed. Then I thought about it and SoldiersDad had a GREAT point. I had to check myself and I agreed with his position. It made sense, it is cost effective, and it would provide a hand UP and not just a hand OUT.

So why don't we have programs like this?

The reason why we don't is two-fold. One reason is because the political beings that control this situation are not too interested if a person is working or not. They can use this 'issue' as a means to get elected or re-elected. They are not concerned about solving societal problems.

The second reason is that Americans, as a whole, NEVER think long term. If they did, they would see this program as a means of producing good, solid Americans that may NOT respond to Academia and the academic ways of doing things. Some people are naturally good with their hands. We do not take the time to recognise those traits in people because we are quick to categorise them as 'slow', or 'dumb', or 'retarted'. If Americans thought long-term, they would recognise that this program would be a method of 'teaching a person how to fish'.

Until people like you and I make it known to our political establishment that THIS is what we want and expect from them, we will ALWAYS have the problem of people on Welfare. You and I willc ontinue to pay for it, and we are getting what we deserve.

Why? It's because we allow this system to work like it has. It's OK to 'demonise' a person if they don't have the same education as you and I do. It's OK to point fingers at those who are 'different' from you and I and laugh amongst ourselves.

Thank you, SoldiersDad, for pointing out a GOOD alternative method of dealing with this problem of Welfare. We will NEVER get rid of the problem, but we CAN make it a lot SMALLER problem.

No, the Dem's are in charge now. Bullies like to talk tough, then send someone else to do the fighting if the opponent is an even match, like starting a war in Iraq for no reason and sending poor kids off to die for it. Then name-calling, like saying you are not a patriot if you disagree with anything that I do.

Brent,

Is that kind of like calling people racist if they disagree with anything Obama does?

Very, very, very well said!

Please get some sleep. Did you see the clip with Andrew Brightbart (sp)?, he went to a gathering, that was pretty much called out from the White House, of a group who were holding signs and calling tea party people and Glenn Beck liars. Andrew asked several of them to be specific about the lies. Every one of those clowns couldn't come up with a single thing. So please list some lies that the tea party people are telling.

That's all that the far left has anymore. Call everyone who disagrees with you a liar. I really feel sorry for the moderate democrats because their party is being taken over by radical liars.

Sleepless: give me an example. Where has the Tea Party lied?

JH: that's what lib Dems do. They don't discuss-they personally attack which is neither here nor there to me.

Whenever their lips are moving - heh, heh!

READ ‘EM AND WEEP YOU SHEEP - HEH, HEH!

As quoted from John Amato and David Neiwert's book, “Over the Cliff: How Obama’s Election Drove the American Right Insane”:

1.The birth-certificate conspiracy. Reality: Not even official birth certificates from Hawaii, newspaper clippings from 1961, and the testimony of state officials will convince the true-blue Tea Partiers. Which is why WorldNetDaily’s Joseph Farah lectured the National Tea Party Convention for an hour about the “truth” of the birth-certificate story.

2.Death panels. Reality: PolitiFact named Sarah Palin’s Facebook invention its “Lie of the Year,” and the belief was thoroughly exposed as a falsehood by every news network (even Fox). Yet Palin still insists that the panels exist somewhere in the health-care reform bill that was signed into law, its actual language notwithstanding.

3.Obama is a Muslim/Socialist/Fascist. Glenn Beck’s fantasy of the week -- one week Obama was a Socialist, the next he was a Communist, then a Fascist. Then it was on to Marxism and Maoism -- was avidly adopted by sign-bearing fans at Tea Party gatherings, who sometimes shared Beck’s confusion by just calling Obama All of the Above. Reality: Give us a break. Obama’s self-evident cautious centrism, embodied by his health-care reform package stripped of a public option, as well as his more recent embrace of a limited offshore drilling program, has infuriated liberals in his party -- but it hasn’t stopped Tea Partiers from denouncing the president as a radical anyway.

4.Obama is going to take away our guns. Well, the NRA managed to scare a whole lot of people into buying up every gun and piece of ammunition in sight the first year or so after Obama’s election. And at least five police officers died because the suspects they were arresting feared Obama was going to take away their guns. But Obama not only has adhered to his promise not to address gun-control issues, there hasn’t been even a breath of it from his administration. Which, of course, just makes the paranoids that much more paranoid: It’s proof that he’s really up to something.

5.Obama is raising our taxes. Reality: Obama lowered taxes for 95 percent of working Americans in his first year in office. But, you know, he’s a liberal Democrat – and for true-blue right-wing folks, that ALWAYS means a tax hike.

6.Fascism is a left-wing phenomenon. We can thank Jonah Goldberg -- with a big assist from Beck -- for the popularity of this one, even though Goldberg’s thesis has been demolished and angrily dismissed by academic historians. It’s especially come in handy for Tea Partiers with Obama-as-Hitler signs, who are not impressed by those pointy-headed professorial types anyway.

7.Global warming is a hoax. So Sean Hannity assures us, citing the Climategate brouhaha -- which was itself shown largely to be a hoax of its own. Meanwhile, the world’s ocean levels keep rising, and glaciers and the polar ice cap keep receding -- regardless of the endless words thrown up denying that they are.

8.Some 16,000 new IRS agents will enforce the new health care reform act by throwing you in jail. Reality: The IRS is actually only increasing its spending in the coming budget year as it normally would -- but some Republican operatives decided to figure out how many positions its increased budget would buy, and came up with 16,000, a figure that then became gospel on Newt Gingrich’s lips. According to the same mythmakers, this nonexistent new army of health care police was going to start throwing people in jail if they failed to buy health insurance -- though in fact, the only penalties contemplated for such failures are fines and taxes.

9.Two million people were at the 9/12 March on Washington. At the culmination of a monthlong promotion (highlighted by a national Tea Party Express bus tour) by Beck and Fox News, about 70,000 people gathered on the National Mall on September 12 to protest. Beck cited an erroneous early report that over a million had shown up. Later that grew to be two million, the figure now commonly cited by Tea Party leaders as evidence of their tremendous numerical force.

10.The Tea Parties are a non-partisan, broad grassroots movement. Sure, if by non-partisan you mean rabidly paleo-conservative, to the point of even dismissing Republicans, and by grassroots you mean fake populism organized and whipped up by the most popular cable-news network on television, with a heaping helping of corporate financing.
Tea Party folks and their defenders also want to believe that they’re just ordinary Americans who want to be serious about helping their country. But it’s pretty hard to fit that description when you embrace plain old nuttiness.

What happen to those calling for the lies to be posted??? I haven't seen a response.....good work Sleepless

Oops, where did they all go?

Hey, Sleeplessinindy, as a former Hoosier myself, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for trying to pound some sense into these ignoramuses' heads.

I would only add one question for all of these fools to answer - with specifics. What policies of the Democrats and OUR duly elected President have caused you (each of you) harm?

I doubt you or I will get any real, intelligent answers because you and I both know you can't argue with stupidity or the Bible.

What about all of the controversy over Jeremiah Wright, the fire-brand Christian pastor of the church Obama attended for 10+ years. It seems this was a controversy that was created and kept alive for several months by the right....then the next year he is a secret Muslim Imam trying to sell the U.S. to Kenya or something....Sorry that my memory lasts more than 6 months. For instance, I remeber that it was Pres. Bush, not Obama that started the TARP bailouts. Sorry my memory must be failing me, I will go to my nearest RNC branch for reprogramming to enhance my double-think abilities.

Right On - thewaythingsare-2190636 and lib50

Read on and you'll get a big laugh from people like AnnieRich as she attempts to refute my response - so much wind, so little substance - the true hallmark of a Tea Party propagandist. I guess if a lie is told often enough even the persons who start the lie begin to believe its true - ha, ha, ha, ha!

Sleepless

Are you aware that the first person to ever mention the birth certificate was a forme democrat assistant Prosecutor. He was a Hillary supporter that actually filed a law suit against Obama.

After Sarah Palin mentioned the "death panels", which was just a phrase she used for the wording in the health care reform crap, they removed that portion from the reform.

Obama lowered, by a very small amount, the federal income tax that is deducted from pay checks. If you actually believe any other taxes have been lowered then you are already too far gone to try and convince of anything.

There were far more than 70,000 people gathered at the Glenn Beck rally. I never heard anybody say 2 million but I would have called them crazy.

The rest of your rants are pure crap that can't be said about all tea party people. There are kooks in every group.

November 2nd will tell a lot about how Americans feel about the government. I am one who hopes the progressives get sent packing.

Nice Pat! Quick... Point the finger somewhere else... ;-)

SickOfTheBickering: I said this was not proper language, which is more than the GOP supporters would say about the teabaggers. What do you want? I don't agree with this language on the campaign trail. At all.

And the story out of Sen. Chambliss's office is important. He's a United States Senator. And it's a story that is just now coming to light.

Neither story is anything to be proud of.

Nice Pat! Quick... Point the finger somewhere else... ;-)

After all the deflection I've seen around here from the G-NO-P, I'd say we were merely learning from the best.

Actually, its more like people saying that the Tea Party is NOT backed by RICH industrialists.

No doubt about it.

Free speach is still a guaranteed right... he was not arrested for his comments... but that does not mean that he is not responsible for them.

Sometimes we say things that can come back to haunt us and this appears to be one of those times.

don't count on it bud....

Nice try, but you read a false report. It is over for your enablers, get used to it. It's time for you lemmings to start thinking about personal responsibility and prosperity, not handouts.

You may win the battle but you will surely lose the war. This may be the last hooray for the Republican party unless it moves back towards the center. The changing demographics are just not on your side. Please take pleasure in the outcome of Nov 2 because it may one of the last victories you get.

1antiliberal - Give me a break - why dont you get in touch with whats really going on and stop this worthless prattle

antiliberal - I assume you will be writing right-wing members of Congress to lower big-govt military spending for foriegn countries, farm-subsidies, oil-subsidies, basically all subsidies - let's let the market decide....heck, while were at it, we can take away tax-exempt status from churches and let the markets decide what churches are successful. Seems hypocritical to be against big-govt, yet still want your hand-out.

Did you ever serve in the military? I'll bet over half of you lemmings have never defended your country and aren't educated past high school. I make good money and will do whatever I can to keep it out of the redistribution party's hands.

Redistribution? Is that the redistribution that occurred over the last 30 years that put 98% of our country's wealth into the hands of a elite, select few?

1antiliberal, you really need to crawl out of your confined little space and learn more about your "opposition." I know it will horrify you to hear this, but liberals come in all flavors, including: 1)military or former military, 2)well employed and even (gasp) well off financially (we just don't take that to mean we can bully the less fortunate), 3) very well educated, 4)gun owners, 5)NOT on welfare or any other state assistance, 6)business owners, 7)church goers, 8)patriotic, and last but certainly not least, 9) ABSOLUTELY NOT "AFRAID" of the Tea Party or any Tea Party fringer - they can't even seem to get a significant number of Repubs to the primary polls (%10 to %15 turnout of their BASE?! DISMAL!!).

On the other hand, the talking points coming from a large swath of the Right seem to come whole cloth from the same garment, your comment among them! If you can't discredit your liberal opponent any other way, simply accuse him/her of being less "deserving" than you, hence the reduction to "unemployed, welfare-drawing, uneducated freeloader" ... it's old, it's stale, and the accusation reveals far more about your narrow worldview than it does anything about your opponent.

why don't you enlighten us. I know that 56% of the PEOPLE said NO! I know that it was sleazy doings and back-door deals. Health Care Reform: what's in it? Hell Pelosi doesn't even know what's in it. "Well, I guess we should pass it to know what's in it"....and that's real intelligent.

Clearly AnnieRich you are an intentional or ignorant proponent of the lies promoted by the Tea Party and Republicans. Your language and comments read like script from their play book.

So the dangerous left wing nuts are supposed to appease people who can't find a job and see things looking bleaker in the future under the failed regime's policies? Your party is losing lemmings fast.

SLEEPLESS.... The truth hurts doesn't it?

Are you denying that Pelosi said we need to pass the HCR bill to know what's in it?

You can try to sell the idea that it is a talking point but the reality of it is that Pelosi said it (and maybe she should not have been talking then this would be a moot point) but it exemplifies the poor approach to governing that the Dems have tried to invoke. "Don't worry about what's in the bill... just pass it because HE wants us to."

speak for yourself. I'm a Latina and I'm a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT and proud. Did you have ANY idea that one of the main points of the health care bill is to give small businesses a tax cut so that they would be able to provide better premiums and overall health care for their employees? I guess you didn't.

Oh, and if you have anymore questions on it just ask. I'm only 18 but I know way more than people twice my age on the happenings of this country.

here's a link to the news story I wrote for my high school paper. At 17 I sat down and read the health care bill. why don't you do the same?

http://www.chieftainonline.com/2010/05/25/what-can-healthcare-do-for-you/

Dem in Tex, can you get any lower? No wonder people are running from the Democrat party if statements like this are what the Dems represent.

Laura Bush never killed anybody. She was in a tragic car accident. I hope you never have to experience anything like that, Dem. I guarantee if you do you won't go around making awful statements like this.

Bush started "an Illegal War?" Oh really? Nice try! But so typical of Liberals, WRONG again!

Here is what Democrats were saying before 9/11: Bill Clinton: "Mark my words, Saddam will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them. ... Iraq [is] a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed. If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity. ... Some day, some way, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal."

Bill Clinton on ODF: "Our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. Saddam must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons. Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. ... I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again." (That was Bill Clinton two years before 9/11 announcing Operation Desert Fox -- if Iraq did not have, or was not developing WMD, then what was Clinton attacking? Oh, that's right, "baby formula" and "aspirin" factories.)

Democrat Leaders under Bill Clinton: In 1998, the U.S. Congress passed, and President Bill Clinton signed, the Iraq Liberation Act. That Act stated, "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime." This legislation passed the House by a vote of 360 to 38, and it passed the Senate without a single vote in opposition.

Albert Gore:(son of Civil Rights Filibuster champion Segregationist, Albert KKK Gore, Sr.) "Saddam's ability to produce and deliver Weapons of Mass Destruction poses a grave threat ... to the security of the world."

Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State: "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with Weapons of Mass Destruction. Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."

Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Advisor and Classified Document Thief: "Saddam will use those Weapons of Mass Destruction again as he has 10 times since 1983."

Dingy Harry Reid: "The problem is not nuclear testing; it is nuclear weapons. ... The number of Third World countries with nuclear capabilities seems to grow daily. Saddam Hussein's near success with developing a nuclear weapon should be an eye-opener for us all. [Saddam] is too dangerous of a man to be given carte blanche with weapons of mass destruction."

Dick Durbin: "One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is the proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Threat assessments regularly warn us of the possibility that...Iraq...may acquire or develop nuclear weapons. [Saddam's] chemical and biological weapons capabilities are frightening."

John "I am a hero to Vietnamese Communists" Kerry: "If you don't believe...Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me."

John "I cheated on my dying wife" Edwards: "Serving on the Intelligence Committee and seeing day after day, week after week, briefings on Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction and his plans on using those weapons, he cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons, it's just that simple. The whole world changes if Saddam ever has nuclear weapons."

Nancy "Wicked Botox Witch of the West" Pelosi: "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of Weapons of Mass Destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons-inspection process."

Senators: Levin, Lieberman, Lautenberg, Dodd, Kerrey, Feinstein, Mikulski, Daschle, Breaux, Johnson, Inouye, Landrieu, Ford and Kerry in a letter to Bill Clinton:

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions, including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its Weapons of Mass Destruction programs."

Democrat leaders after 9/11:

After President Bush was sworn into office in 2001, his administration was handed 8 years worth of intelligence analysis and policy positions from the Clinton years -- you know, the years of appeasement when Saddam was tolerated, when opportunities to take out Osama bin Ladin were ignored, as was the presence of an al-Qa'ida terrorist cell in the U.S., which reared its head on 9/11.

In the weeks prior to the invasion of Iraq, Democrats, who had access to the same intelligence used by the Bush administration, BUT(compiled under the Clinton administration), were clear about the threat of Iraq's WMD capability.

Fat, Drunken, Womanizing sob & slob Sen. Ted Kennedy: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Sen. 'Dingy Harry' Reid: "Saddam has thumbed his nose at the world community and I think the President is approaching this in the right fashion."

Sen. John Kerry: "I will be voting to give the president of the U.S. the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam because I believe that a deadly arsenal of Weapons of Mass Destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security. ... Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. These weapons represent an unacceptable threat."

Sen. Hillary Clinton: "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock. His missile-delivery capability and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists including al-Qa'ida members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. ... I can support the President because I think it is in the long-term interests of our national security."

Rep. Carl Levin: "We begin with a common belief that Saddam Hussein...is building Weapons of Mass Destruction and the means of delivering them."

Gov. Jay Rockefeller: "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons. We have always underestimated the progress Saddam has been able to make in the development of WMD."

Sen. Joe 'Bite me' Biden: "We know he continues to attempt to gain access to additional capability, including nuclear capability."

Sen. Evan Bayh: "I support the President. The lesson we learned since 9/11 is that we can't wait to be attacked again, particularly with WMD."

Sen. Al Gore: "We know that he has stored nuclear supplies, secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Sen. Bob Graham: "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has and has had for a number of years a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

Rep. Nancy Pelosi: "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons, there is no question about that."

In October 2002, by a large margin, a bipartisan majority of the Congress authorized President Bush to use force if necessary to deal with the continued threat posed by Saddam Hussein. In the legislation, the U.S. Congress stated that Iraq, "Poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States by continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations." These assessments were echoed by many foreign intelligence agencies from countries that included Great Britain, France, Germany and Russia, and by the United Nations Security Council in more than a dozen different Security Council resolutions between 1990 and the year 2000; ALL prior to the Presidency of George W. Bush and prior to the 911 terrorist attacks on the United States.

For the record: Here's a partial list of what WMD materials were found in Iraq after the OIF invasion, discovered by U.S. and OIF Coalition forces:

• 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
• 1,700 gallons of chemical-weapon agents
• Chemical warheads containing the nerve agent “Cyclosarin”.
• Radioactive materials in powdered form designed for dispersal over population centers.
• Artillery projectiles loaded with binary chemical agents.

Although the caches of WMD materials were smaller than what was anticipated, suggestions that “Iraq was not in possession of WMD materials and capabilities are inaccurate distortions of fact. In addition, there is confirmation of evidence that Saddam, in fact exported the bulk of his WMD capability to Iran and Syria before Operation Iraqi Freedom commenced. Unfortunately, it is realistic to consider that these materials may eventually, find their way into an American or European urban center, should U.S. political, and consequently, military resolve wither.

Amid the rancor about who "lied," Senator Joseph Lieberman, had this to say about our mission in Iraq: "I strongly supported the war in Iraq. I was privileged to be the Democratic cosponsor, with the Senator from Virginia, of the authorizing resolution, which received overwhelming bipartisan support. As I follow the debates about prewar intelligence, I have no regrets about having sponsored and supported that resolution because of all the other reasons we had in our national security interest to remove Saddam Hussein from power , a brutal, murdering dictator, an aggressive invader of his neighbors, a supporter of terrorism, a hater of the United States of America. He was, for us, a ticking time bomb that, if we did not remove him, I am convinced would have blown up, metaphorically speaking, in America's face. The questions raised about prewar intelligence are not irrelevant, they are not unimportant, but they are nowhere near as important and relevant as how we successfully complete our mission in Iraq and protect the 150,000 men and women in uniform who are fighting for us there."

Now I dare anyone to explain... IF they have any "mental capacity to do so" what was "ILLEGAL?"

Oops! What happened? Cat got a hold of your brain-dead Liberal talking points tongue?

Well? Common big mouth? Tell us all about "how Bush had an Illegal War?"

Do you mean the one that ALL the top Democrats voted for? Based on information from Clinton?

That war?

Dirt, Dirt, dirt.......someone certainly died after being hit by Laura Bush....therefore, she killed!

Bushs' War.....Preemptive strick/invasion of a country that nothing, Nada, Zilch to do with 9/11. 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, 2 from UAE, 1 from Egypt, 1 from Lebanon.....0 from Iraq......why exactly did we go there and kill innocent Iraquis, and send our troops. Over 4,500 US troops DEAD, and over 35,000 tragically wounded, over 10 Billion dollars a month (unfunded).

Congress was fed a bunch of lies/untruths about the intelligence concerning 9/11. Congress (Democrats) was not privy to all of the intelligence and voted based on what they were told by the lying Bush administration.

Have the WMD been found yet?

To dirt: I don't represent the democratic party here on newsvine, and yes, to me Laura Bush killed a guy in the same fashion drunk drivers kill people. She was distracted by something far more important than the road and made a critical error that ended the life of another human being, she killed someone, period.

to speedy: Your post was far too long for your BS. The war was based on false information because that's what Bush wanted, was false information. The war was illegal, as was the wire taps, torture and rendition.

The point is that one small outburst by one democrate is meaningless compared to the mistakes made by our former administration, who's VP also used that same word. Bush will go down in history as our worst president. I offer you as evidence: he can't leave Texas without enfronting a protest.

Dem in Texas, and Chilled,

Both of you therefore think that Teddy Kennedy was a killer as well, given that Mary jo Kopechne died as a result of his poor driving skills? Accidents happen, people aren't killers because of accidents, they're killers if it's a deliberate act. I don't believe that Laura Bush was charged with any crime, certainly not manslaughter, nor murder 1. She does have to live with the fact that she caused the death of a friend 47 years ago, let's not start calling her a killer as well.

Speedy Palm of #22.2 fame -

It kind of makes you wonder with all that Democratic belly aching HOW ON EARTH September 11th could have POSSIBLY occurred, doesn't it? I mean it's not like the Clinton Administration didn't outline it and warn about it. I mean there was even a Presidential Daily Briefing on the topic some THREE weeks prior to it happening. So, I'm afraid your side just can't honestly claim that BUSH kept Americans safe AFTER the fact. He most certainly DIDN'T and some of us are still a little BITTER about it.

Afraid you've overplayed your POST 9/11 hand, since many of us believe the 'intelligence' was tampered with intentionally.

Yes Frank-894942, we would all love to have a viable alternative to the Dems and Repubs - but really now, a party funded by wealthy industrialists, promoting extreme conservative views and lying and distorting at every turn. Nah, I'll stick with the devils I know rather than the one posing as the new shiny white knights - ha, ha, ha, ha.