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In an atmosphere of tension between the federal government and Arizona, the Justice Department today dialed it up some more, filing a lawsuit against Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio -- accusing him, the county, and his office with failing to cooperate with a civil rights investigation of his office.
The Justice Department has been investigating allegations that the sheriff's office has engaged in discrimination against Hispanics. As a recipient of federal funds, the sheriff's office is required to cooperate with such investigations.
But today, the Justice Department said it's been trying to get the sheriff's cooperation for more than a year without success. That makes his department "an extreme outlier," given that no other local law enforcement organization has refused to cooperate with a civil rights investigation in the last 30 years, the government says.
"The actions of the sheriff's office are unprecedented. It is unfortunate that the department was forced to resort to litigation to gain access to public documents and facilities," says Thomas Perez, the assistant attorney general for the Civil Rights Division.
*** UPDATE *** Arpaio responded to the lawsuit during a news conference in Phoenix, alleging that it amounted to harassment, the AP reports. "I think they know we have not been racial profiling, so what's the next step — camouflage the situation, go to the courts, and make it look like I'm not cooperating," he said.
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It's about time that the meanest sheriff in the country, Joe Arpalo, face the consequences of his actions. Maybe they will put him in PINK garments and have him stay with the criminals he has arrested. That stubborn ol coot has no regard for the law.
If he was obstructing the investigation than thats fine. But I personally like the fact that inmates sleep in tents, do hard labor and wear pink. Guess what? Don't come back and you won't have to do that. People need to get a back bone. Im sick of criminals having more rights than honest citizens.
Everything you do, will come back to you.
Too funny Ron... you forgot to mention the baloney sandwich's he BRAGS about as well!
If you listened to my sister who just so happens to be a crazy right wing nut that lives out there - she would attempt to make you believe Sheriff Joe walks on water!
Me? Eh... personally I think the guys bat cr@p CRAZY!
Not everyone in AZ likes that clown...
He's cost Maricopa County millions in Civil Rights lawsuits he's lost.
I guess maybe some posters would prefer the criminals were loose and the honest people locked up. Next time you need help, call a liberal, the police are to busy to help you. See how that works.
I suspect that he and his team have two choices, cooperate with another frivolous lawsuit, or go after criminals. I would guess that they chose to go after criminals and because the don't all drop what ever it is they are doing and bow down to the Buttheads in Washington, they are doing exactly what the letter of the law says they do.
Let me make it simple for those that don't get it. Without a court order, they are not obligated to waste their time answering to a Witch Hunt. Let the Lawyers in DC go through the hoops before waisting Law Enforcement's time.
Joe Arpaio is an Arizona Sheriff that was voted in office by the people. If Arizonians don't want him doing the job then they can vote for someone else to replace him.
I served in the Army. I had it tough. The food wasn't that great and I endured a lot of sweat, pain and suffering. I had to work in the snow, rain, hot, cold and even slept on the ground or cot some days. I don't think Arpaio's methods are that bad. His methods might dissuade possible criminals from committing crimes in the future. I am sure that the conditions in his jail/prison are better than most Mexican jails.
All of the footage on CNN has shown latinos, blacks and whites together. I don't think he is racist. I think he has a prejudice towards criminals which is fine with me.
bob, only a right winger could take that article and these posts and come up with a thought that is that retarded. this guy has violated tons of people's civil rights. if it was someone you knew you'd be singing a different tune. what he does is against the law, which he is supposed to be enforcing therefore HE is a criminal.
Ron ------------What makes you an expert on what the sheriff has or has not done.
Let me guess, only what you have heard or read from your lefties.
If you had to deal with what he does maybe you would sing a different tune.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time in his jail.
I would trust him long before I would the justice dept.
Hey MDSJ - Isn't there a clause in the Constitution outlawing "cruel and unusual punishment"? Those tents get up to 130 degrees in the daytime and the baloney that he serves them to save money is old and rotten and a health hazard. Did it ever occur to you that many of the inmates are awaiting trial and will be found innocent and others will be exonerated with new DNA evidence, etc. I bet you wouldn't "personally like the fact that inmates sleep in tents, do hard labor and wear pink and eat rotting food" if you were an innocent victim. I know all of this from personal experience because I was one of them. Luckily for me the mistake was rectified after a very short time in Maricopa County.
Arpaio doesn't scare the criminals from ever commiting crimes again. He just makes them hate the law and justice system and humanity even more and they are likely to commit even more viscious crimes when they get out. Good work Joe!
So let me get this straight. Because the sherrif's office gets federal funds they are required to cooperate in this investigation. But at the same time, they are not required to enforce federal law as recipients of federal funds?
If you find yourself in an embarrassing and vastly unpopular situation(suing Arizona) the best way to attempt to legitimize yourself and attempt to gain a shred of credibility is to create an adversary, which is exactly what is being done here.
"But today, the Justice Department said it's been trying to get the sheriff's cooperation for more than a year without success. That makes his department "an extreme outlier,""
For more than a year? and you just now decide to sue him? 2 months before election time... what a coincidence... I can see the new political attack commercials now.
"an extreme outlier"? for not complying with the feds? really? that is extreme? Since that is "extreme" we should all be against it right? is that the intent? What about the illegal immigrants who don't comply with Federal law? Aren't they "extreme" too????
The "Justice" dept. suing someone who actually has the backbone to provide Americans with justice...it is a sad day in American history.
People who haven't done anything wrong have nothing to hide.
Hoops McCann - That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You know if prison was a place where criminals actually didn't want to go back to, they would think twice about what they are doing. I don't see how sleeping in tents, eating cheese sandwiches, and wearing pink is cruel and unusual.
Crimes against innocent people is cruel and unusual.
Arpaio presents a conundrum. It is hard to imagine that ethics violations are the motivating factor here when his policies and practices have been well-known for the past decade. Among many, he's lauded for his hard-line treatment of the criminals under his juridiction, and I personally count myself with the number who feels Joe's use of actual punishments upon the jailed is warranted.
I find it hard to imagine Maricopa County is as abhorred by him as the current narrative would have us believe: Joe's an elected official, and has won his position three times over with a very clear majority - even his most recent win, in 2008, put him above Dan Saban by 10 points.
This pursuit of Arizona law enforcement where it concerns the illegal immigration issue strikes me as a witch-hunt, and I am not saying that merely because it's the echoed talking-point of the hour. Take into consideration that Arpaio re-instituted the use of chain gangs in 1995; why is it that then-President Bill Clinton's Democratic administration turned a blind eye to this so-called reprehensible violation of convicts' rights?
I do not side with those who demand an immediate and unilateral uprooting of the ten million or so illegal migrants that've settled in the border states for a number of reasons - the most pertinent of which include the fact that I cannot fathom how such a massive resettlement could be paid for, as well as the logistic nightmare it presents. It strikes me as bizarre that the right wing would call for that while simultaneously railing against the stimulus plans passed in 2009 and the healthcare package.
Nor do I believe that unloading so many bodies on Latin America will earn us much in the way of favor with those nations that're our closest neighbors - to say nothing of the global backlash that'd fall upon us. I am not suggesting that we should kow-tow because of naysayers overseas, but it's a fool that doesn't recognize the amount of hegemony we can wield pursuant to our interests depends upon the cooperation of foreign leadership - themselves willed to act on individual policy by the popular opinion of their citizenry.
At all costs I am completely and thoroughly opposed to unconditional amnesty. It is anathema to suggest those who've broken our immigration laws (however compelling the humanitarian reasons for doing so) be granted a free pass for however many months or decades they've skirted the edges of our economy and resisted integration.
I am, however, in favor of conditional amnesty. It seems to me that the better option is that which tiers a path to citizenship and repayment of outstanding taxes and fines over an affordable period.
I do mean that last part - affordable. Affordable to the common man and the lower-wage worker, not Beltway insiders and the power elite of either the Republican or Democratic brand.
There is nothing that states a portion of the funds directed towards border security can't instead be used to provide for a national registry of existing migrants who've dwelt within our borders for a pre-determined period of time prior to a particular date. There's nothing that states these funds can't be used to mandate English-immersion courses in tandem with job training and placement programs. We might even be able to help cover these costs not only with tax and fine payments owed by the migrants themselves, but with fines levied on those commerical entities that willfully employed illegal labor.
These programs, so tiered, should carry particular punishments for individual refusal to comply: deportation and/or additional fines. It also should go without saying that migrants who've entered the nation past the date set for amnesty to be retroactive should be deported or suffer actionable punishment commesurate with existing law.
At the same time, the cost to legally immigrate must be scaled on the consideration of social and economic conditions in the country of origin. The disparity between the financial state of the United States and Latin American nations is absolutely staggering, and virtually no one can afford to cover the basic cost of entering our country with respect for our law.
Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Where Arpaio is concerned, I do firmly feel the hammer coming down on him is a result of both the Obama administration's desire for the aforementioned unconditional amnesty and as a sleight against Jan Brewer and her defiance of Washington. The federal government aims to flex its muscle and assert its authority, regardless of the long-term costs to both the border states, state rights and the nation as a whole.
Sounds like many commentors have never been subject to a federal investigation. Lucky people! Ignorance is bliss.
Ron some would say "that stubborn ol coot" has much more regard for the law than the DOJ and the Federal Government, Ron why is it OK for the Federal Government to ignore existing U.S. law? The Dem's are on the wrong side of this issue, the Repub's are no better, one side wants illegals here so they can get work done for slave wages, the other thinks we should take care of the entire Worlds problems even if it bankrupts the country, and all of these people are shielded from the negative impact of being over run with illegals, so let the less fortunate citizens of this country suffer so you can either claim to be some compassionate liberal, or a conservative that made a couple bucks screwing the poor, it's bull@!$%# either way Ron.
Interesting comment considering he regularly gets re-elected with 85-90% of the vote. The simple fact is he has been investigated several times per various politicians requests and has been found not guilty of all charges so far. This sounds like just another political move by the Washington vs Arizona crowd.
Hey everybody, Let's Join the "We love Joe Conga Line"
Bumpa, Bumpa, Bum-Pa, , Joe is dissing the DOJ:
Bumpa, Bumpa, Bum-Pa, Joe is doing what the law says:
Bumpa, Bumpa,Bum-Pa, 20 Million Illegals:
Bumpa,Bumpa,Bum-Pa, taking my Job in the Tater Fields:
Bumpa, Bumpa, Bum-Pa, Joe don't havta Abide by the laws:
Bumpa, Bumpa, Bum-Pa: Comeon everybody, Stay in line:
Bumpa, Bumpa, Bum-Pa, We don't care if he screws the Fed's"
Bumpa, Bumpa, Bum-Pa, We pay all the taxes Now:
Bumpa, Bumpa, Bum-Pa:We don't need No DOJ.
We just need Joe!
Hey everyone, look, here comes the Republican Circus to this thread:
Bumpa, Bumpa, Bum-Pa:
You Betcha!
how we treat the worst and least among us....hmmm I think Jesus had a thing or two to say about that. Ah but who listens to him anyway.
I wonder if sherriff Joe is invested in the same prison company that the states govervor is?
will the new arizona travel slogan be... "come on vacation leave on probation"?
I'd be surprised if there isn't some money in it for a few someones.
Obama has teamed with Mexico to sue Arizona over its recently passed immigration law and now this?
The Feds claim they, and only they have the authority to maintain border security yet they choose not to prosecute illegal immigrants or send them back.
Recently a county is S. Arizona has had to give control of a large portion of its southern border to the drug cartels! The sheriff there appealed to the Feds who merely sent him signs, not national guard troops as was requested. The signs are a warning to Americans to avoid that part of Arizona!
What is this country coming to! If it was Bush suing Arizona on this issue, there would be cries for his impeachment....
So when are you leaving?
miked-332794 I find that very hard to believe. Do you have a link or something?
Aww, poor Ron.
Sounds like Sherrif Joe wouldn't let Ron wear his bunny tail with his PINK-Os during his stay there.
LOL... :D
Feisty so sorry to hear you have a sibling that has turned 'bad'. I just found out yesterday that a brother in another state that I haven't seen in years, is now a 'birther', and refers to the president of the United States of America as "Obama Bin Laden". He also thinks we need to 'take our country back'. Needless to say, I reminded him that was OK, but I was looking for someone to take our coutry 'forward'.
Anyway, my condolences. It would be like finding out you had a sister that picked up strange men at the local malt shop.
"No regardfor the law"?? He's enforcing the laws the Feds don't have the balls to enforce, you stupid bastard!
Ron calls Sheriff Joe "the meanest sheriff in the country"
Since when is a sheriff supposed to be nice? Are the criminals nice?
For the life of me I'll never understand how people can rally behind rapists, murders, child molesters and scream that we treat them BETTER than they treated their victims. The law says you must provide clothing - Sheriff Joe made it pink - perfectly legal. The law says you must feed them - Sheriff Joe offers them bologna sandwiches - perfectly legal.
I listened to a former inmate of Sheriff Joe's prison speak. The one thing that struck me is that the prisoners have the highest RESPECT for Sheriff Joe. They don't particulary LIKE him, but they all RESPECT him. Sounds like he's doing his job to me. I guess that's what really ticks some people off. Sad.
It would be nice if Ron got to see what the sheriff has to deal with. I lived in AZ forover 14 years. Thanks to Sheriff Joe, crime has gotten better. He is dealing with a population that is greatly illegal and when the state government (Janet Napolitano sound familier) WON'T do anything to help, you have got to do it on your own. I think he should run for president. I'd vote for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
....Ron....Sheriff Joe is all about enforcing the letter of the law equally, and that is what frosts those of you who support illegal immigration and pampering of criminals.
You who tout the toughness of this Joke and defend his treatment of inmates, and then champion his defiance of the Federal investigators ought to remember good ole' Joe gets millions from the Fed each year to finance his personal campaign to catch the criminals. Arizona state also gets tens of millions each year from the Fed. And all these clowns can do is decry the useless of the US government, without whose help Joe might be on a street corner somewhere in Scottsdale, dressed in pink, looking for some hot action to make ends meet (pun intended).
Arizona and its governess and sheriff are panderers, bigoted, deluded, ignorant and anti-American. It's time people stood up to these hypocritical, parasitic dunderheads. The right wing ignorant, racist, moron-speak needs to be called out by the silent majority of level-headed, hopeful, but self-involved mainstream before these cretins consume the entire Constitution.
To all you Sheriff Joe haters, AZ voted for him so apparently he must of done something good. The Sheriff is the only one who has guts to enforce the law thats on the books. I guess you idiots who hate Joe don't mind paying for illegal's education, welfare, anchor babies and stealing American jobs, idenity theft, drunken drivers who are illegal and killing American citizens? The law is the law and states have every right to enforce the law if our liberal idiots in Washington refuse to. Also 20 states are pushing for the same law people. Enough is enough on amnesty and illegal's who have no respect for the law. I also like say Obama is a coward who couldn't even pay his respects towards the ranchers wife who husband was killed by an illegal who murdered him on his own property by the border. Obama has no class.!!!!!!!!!
I say to Sheriff Joe, more power to you.!!!!!!
Guess he has something to HIDE...
I wonder what it could be.... Hmmmmm
Only the guilty hide, if you are innocent, you have nothing to hide!
Hiya Drive-By!
Thanks for the condolences! lol
Sorry to say she's beyond repair! Speaking of the malt shop... after wading through the litter that's been left around here by the righties... how about you meet me at the Dew Drop Inn?
I'm buying! ;0)
Hacksaw: Wrong again. Lived in Arizona for approximately 25 years. I know what I'm talking about.
Ellis: Bad guess. I don't support illegal immigration or pampering criminals.
Just my thoughts: Meanest Sheriff in the country. As a past Arizona Resident (25 years) that was a common phrase used to describe Sheriff Joe. The phrase stuck, because it fit.
GTW: Grow up. This is an adult website.
you must be an excon for that retarded remark he doesnt treat them any worse than the soldiers overseas are and they dont get shot at so shut your pie hole
Feisty: Why were they messing your post?
According to the Constitution, a Sheriff is the Law, in most counties, in the US. Only the county coroner has the power to arrest him. When JFK, got shot in Dallas, the Sheriff's department led the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald, and the investigation. The Fed about had a cat, and have hated Sheriffs ever since. To me, this is still about the 10th Amendment. States rights, vs, Federal. The Feds always threatened to pull the plug on Fed Funds, to get States to comply: Don't know that, that is really justice.
You're guess is as good as mine Ron - notice it has been RESTORED... ;0)
There is one point I would like to make and that is - Tyler is going to get VERY tired of restoring my collapsed (for no apparent reason) posts by malicious users...
Trust me... I've been reporting them! ;0)
The right wing nitwits want to CHEAT and GAME the system - I say bring it on!!
Truth & Justice ALWAYS prevails over darkness & deceit!
Well start acting like an adult then, Ron. Your post at the top sounded like a little kid whining.
If the people of Maricopa County hated Sheriff Joe so much as you claim, then he still wouldn't still be elected Sheriff and he'd be out on his ear.
I hope people like Sheriff Joe forces the Feds to do their job and stop treating the issue with political band aids and feel-good PR stunts.
Feisty- if you're buying, I'm there.
When they were passing out ears, GW thought they said 'beers', and said "I'll take two big ones!".
LOL Drive-By...
If I may be so bold to borrow another one of your classics...
Sarah Palin asked Todd if he would like Super Sex - Todd replied... I'll take the soup!
Cheers!
Ok, what rule did bob5ford and Hatr Hurter violate to have their remarks collapsed? Just wondering, those comments seemed like normal back and forth compared to some of the stuff that stays up.
Great post, Exodite Dragon! Sensible and pragmatic solutions that I have always thought should be done. I voted!
Go Joe! Give em hell!!!
Thank ye kindly, Matt.
Since you brought it up Feisty ^^^^, i was just watching Nora Odonellle interveiw a Post reporter about the Vanity Fair article. It seems Ole Sarah did'nt care much for aynonomous sources as she lashed out Today.
An aynonomous source says 'Todd told Sarah, he did'nt know how she got pregnant so often".
Lo & Behold, Sarah calls yellow journalISM, Limp, & Impotent!
Coincidence!
Ron in Indiana
Maybe it is news to you but I can not even count how many times Arpaio has been targeted with lawsuits. HE'S LAUGHING AT THIS POINT.
I am laughing with him. The Justice Department is suing a sheriff who has been elected in each election for about 25 years.
GO JOE GO
Signed - a California Girl
Does anyone else find it hysterical that the DOJ has it's panties in a wad because they claim Arizona won't produce "documents", yet they sued Arizona for asking lawbreakers to produce "documents"?
OMG - you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried! LOL
Exodite Dragon
That's a whole bunch of conspiratorial speculation. The Justice Department's explanation seems pretty straightforward:
A court will decide if the DOJ lawsuit is warranted. If the DOJ's case is dismissed, I won't conclude the court has a pro-Arpaio bias. But you can bet if the judge rules in favor of the DOJ, the wingnuts will start screaming that he or she is a liberal legislating from the bench. Happens EVERY time a court makes a ruling they don't like.
Hey Rick in KY - I'm joining your conga line.
Bumpa, Bumpa, Bum-Pa, , Joe is dissing the DOJ.
I did not think about it this way until you mentioned it. CHEERS! It is hysterical. It's like that Toyota or Honda commerical - you can't make this stuff up.
Houston: My opinion is my opinion, as I stated it was. Arpaio's practices have been witnessed through both the Clinton and Bush years without so much as a batted eye from the DoJ. Being that it is difficult for me to believe that more than a decade of known practice would only now yield claims of alleged abuse compels me not to take the official claim at face value, so I must respectfully disagree.
Simultaenously, your conclusion about the end result of the ruling on the lawsuit strikes me as true. Much as I feel this lawsuit is motivated by a political agenda, whatever the result is will be manipulated to one side or the other's benefit.
So the Sheriff is being sued for enforcing the Federal Immigration Laws that the Federal government REFUSES to enforce. Somehow, I think this will just anger the law abiding people in America even more.
Side note - The new Arizona Immigration Law is WEAKER than the existing Federal Immigration Laws, which requires that all immigrants carry identification and proof of legal residence on them, and no "reasonable suspicion" is even required to question people under Federal laws.
Wait! You mean this guy is arresting illegal aliens?! We can't have that! The Dems need the votes.
Boohoo. I'm in jail and I don't have a TV or Playstation3 to play with in my air conditioned cell. And the Food here is deplorable! Where is my filet mingnon?
If you don't wanna wear pink, sleep in tents, and eat balogna sandwiches, QUIT BREAKING THE LAW. Jails shouldn't be comfortable for prisoners. It's not a hotel. It's a prison. It's a punishment for breaking the law.
FYI, the ILLEGAL in ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT means AGAINST THE LAW.
Hoops McCann "Hey MDSJ - Isn't there a clause in the Constitution outlawing "cruel and unusual punishment"? Those tents get up to 130 degrees in the daytime and the baloney that he serves them to save money is old and rotten and a health hazard."
It can't be too bad, because those inmates are VOLUNTEERS to go live in tents and work in the hot sun. In fact, it's considered a privilege that has to be earned, and if they mess up, they go back to their cells. By the way, those bologna sandwiches are green, but they are NOT "old and rotten". Arizona just wants the prison experience to be something that will discourage continued lawbreaking, and most people like their approach.
Exodite Dragon
I haven't been following Arpaio's saga very closely, but others commenting here claimed that he has not only been sued, but lost several civil rights lawsuits in the past. If true, that suggests that the DOJ isn't just descending on poor Joe from out of the blue to tarnish his spotless reputation.
Indiana...figures. You haven't any idea of what you're talking about. Perhaps instead of trying to keep the criminal illegals arrested and or deported, Joe can ship them up to you to infest you're rosey little neighborhoods. You're no where near the border or the violence, you don't know jack.
What a MEENY to enforce the law and to keep the citizens of Arizona and his county SAFE. He is not discriminating against anyone-hard for you to believe that isn't it?
I question whose side you are on.
Well when they were passing out ears, drive-by-observer thought they said 'queers', and said "I'll take two big ones!".
LOL... :D
Ron, I don't understand why your post was collasped. You haven't said anythingworst than what those who oppose your point of view. I guess the is what happennes when those people follow Dick Armey, RicK Scott, and the Koch Brothers operation--"FreedomDumb Works "haha
The sheriff says it's a "camoflauge"?
From the Pink Flamingo...
http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/4/20/3651075.html%20http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/4/20/3651075.html%20
SHERIFF JOE TOSSES BILL OF RIGHTS!
"…So much for my speech. The struggle, I fear, is just getting started. Both our Mayor and Police Chief have challenged the Sheriff. Religious leaders, myself included, will soon be publishing an open letter in the paper, legal challenges will be mounted. No matter what your views on immigration or your ideas on how to solve this immensely complex problem, the Sheriff's heavy-handed intimidation is not the way. I hope that you will join with me and others in the religious community who are doing their best to balance the laws of our country with the basic human rights of all God's children…." Bishop Kirk Smith (Episcopal)
SHERIFF JOE INTERRUPTS CONFIRMATION SERVICE
I think this time Sheriff Joe has gone too far. Last week, according to Arizona Episcopalian Bishop Kirk S. Smith (fan of this writer’s most recent book) Sheriff Joe, in an attempt to catch those nasty illegals, interrupted a confirmation service at the Roman Catholic Church in Guadalupe. Bishop Smith wrote
"…Thursday night I spoke to a group of about 1,500 members of the East Valley Interfaith, an ecumenical group that works with political leaders to further such causes as public safely, education, health care, and immigration reform. It was apparent from that meeting that Arizona has a major church/state crisis on its hands as it reacts to the tactics used by the County Sheriff in his crusade to catch undocumented immigrants. Last Sunday, he interrupted a confirmation service in a Roman Catholic Church in Guadalupe. Last night the Mayor of Phoenix, the Police Chief, and representatives from the Governor's office were present to hear our concerns. I shared with that group the story of my Holy Week encounter with the Sheriff's Department, and I pass it on to you:
This past Good Friday I was driving home from church services in Tucson when I received a call from the priest at one of our Spanish-speaking churches in Phoenix. Her church is located just off Thomas Road, less than a block away from where our County Sheriff had decided to set up a so-called "command center" complete with trailers, radio towers, search lights, and scores of uniformed officers in SWAT gear. This was described to the press as his home-base for a campaign to catch illegal immigrants who had committed such horrible crimes as having a crack in their windshield or a burnt out headlight. The real purpose of course was to intimidate innocent people, and in that he succeeded. Many of the members of are undocumented, and of course they were now afraid to come to Good Friday services. I went to the scene and tried to speak with the officer in charge. I tried to explain to him that not only were his men frightening law-abiding citizens, but they were in fact violating if not the letter, then at least the spirit of the Constitution by preventing people from going to church-it's called freedom of religion. Suffice it to say, the deputy, although polite, was not interested. He had his orders
Ron Indiana
Can't wait for the current administration to face the consequences of their actions
And now all their phony support of Israel. BO treated the PM of Israel like crap just a few months ago, and so did Hitlary Clinton. Now because of the elections, they put on a show of support for Israel. What a bunch of back stabbing liars.
He is elected by over 70% of the voters, he must be doing something right!! This must be part of the Secretary Of State report that is going to the UN to talk about how bad America is, what a joke, keep up the good work Sheriff Joe. I can't what to hear what Iran & Libeia have to say about bad bad America and how we treat people. Grow Up!!!
Beverly:
2 things:
So basically, you're saying this man and his police officers are doing their jobs, and you don't like it....interesting. You see, contrary to what the President or DOJ does, as a peace officer, you're not allowed to pick and choose what laws you uphold. Granted, the windshield and lights can just warrant a warning, but when you pull them over and they are here illegally, they're going to jail to be deported. that's how the law works.
I think is about time that the Fed sues itself for dereliction of duty. If it did its job there wouldn't be 10+ million illegal aliens in the country. Arpaio is a patriot trying to do the job that the Fed is responsible for, that is has ignored for over 20 years.
Those who think that America is here to be trampled on by foreigners should try to emigrate to the countries they came from and see what a warm reception they get.
We need a thousand more sheriffs like Arpaio.
"I suspect that he and his team have two choices, cooperate with another frivolous lawsuit, or go after criminals."
Why? It sounds to me as if the DOJ is going after a frivolous sheriff in order to pursue a serious lawsuit. We can't have law enforcement refusing to cooperate with civil rights investigations. That way lies Jim Crow.
Obviously, this administration favors illegals over American citizens. Illegal immigration is a problem that threatens our national security and put trememdous burden on states' finances. But this administration would rather fight than help those that protect our national security and the American citizens. This is the liberal mentality of the democrats and the Obama administration. How long could we allow this to continue?
Well, let's stop this nonsense beginning this midtern election. God bless America!!!!!
I don't know why you got restored, your comments are so stupid they don't desrve print. This is the only sheriff, i know of, in the country enforcing our laws, you have a problem with that? It's time the anti american department of justice, (chicago thugs) with their illegal usurper quit harrAssing the states that pay their bills.
If the DOJ will do this out of spite what else are they will to do to protect the regime?
I admit this guy is as crooked as a mountain road, but I admire his stance on treating his guests. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that almost all of his tennents did something to deserve to be there, and I'm sure that if you were the victim, you wouldn't be crying about civil liberties violations.
Seriously, how sick is it that this country treats it's inmates better than it's vets?
GediPrime I agree with you...I admire his toughness on prisoners but he is very vindictive. He goes after, with the full force of his office and in pocket judges, any one who crosses him. The people who vote for him are intimidated by him...his reach goes very deep and even if not in office people fear they will be sought after.
He has so many people seeking charges against him for his frivolous suits against many Azs. Just look it up. But I do like a strong sheriff.
@GedePrime-548136: Please tell me your user name is a Dune reference. I will be oh-so-happy if that's the case.
@Houston!: You are correct that Arpaio's been the target of litigation numerous times in the past - but my point was that federal investigations by the DoJ didn't commence until 2009.
Insofar as I'm aware, the majority of those other suits levied against him have been civil in nature, with the majority of claims filed by Amnesty International. However, something you may be interested to know (and something even I find questionable concerning Arpaio's purposes) is that he has been the subject of more civil litigation than sheriff offices in the nation's top four metropolitan areas combined.
When this country finally gets a sheriff who has a pair and is enforcing the laws (just like his job statement says he is supposed to do) people seem to not like the fact that he is doing his job. This current society thinks that law breaking is not a big deal. That people should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want. Well, in an orderd, law-abiding society it ain't so. Criminals are just exaclty what they are - criminals. Thay do not need to be put into "rest camps" where they are treated like celebrities. They need to do hard time.
Sheriff Joe is doing his job and will continue to do his job even though he has to deal with the stupidity and lazyness of a corrupt federal government. Laws the sheriff is enforcing are the federal laws which the feds are not enforcing. Someone has got to do the job and he has my support and the support of people who believe that crime and criminals deserve tough treatment.
GO SHERIFF JOE!
Good for the justice dept. This guy is bad news.
It appears that Sheriff Joe has made that fatal mistake of celebrities and sports figures in reading his own press and taking it too seriously.
Most of the nation cheered Arpaio's decision to house inmates in tents and let them wear pink. Too bad Joe has decided he's bigger than the law. Now it's possible that the good things he's done will be forgotten because of his arrogance and refusal to cooperate with a higher level investigation.
Dr. Doom...You apparently feel that Obama is in charge of county law enforcement and makes the rules for them. You would like to see the big central socialist government involved in county and state issues. You feel that Obama is in full charge of everything and local voters have no choice but to buckle under to big, central socialist government....I think we know where you stand...
zaphod,
So only the guilty hide. So why is Obama hiding his birth certificate, passport(s), college records, etc. Must have really something to hide and it's obvious he's guilty of Marxism. Just look at the lawsuit.
In God We Trust
@Exodite Dragon - Yes, GedePrime is a reference to Dune. It's actually an amalgamation of my name and the Harkonen homeworld.
Sheriff Joe - you maybe the sheriff, but you still live in the USA, you are part of this great nation. You should follow the laws, how on earth could someone teach their children to be law abiding citizens if the sheriff of their area is not?
How on earth could someone teach their children to be law abiding citizens if the President of the country is not!
Union Baby, From what I have read, they are willing to provide documents.. they just ask that the DOJ specify what type of documents they want to examine. They haven't yet. When they do, the sherrif's office will comply. Sounds reasonable to me.
All political theatre aside, the timing of the DOJ investigation does seem to be convieniently tied to his outspokenness over the new AZ law. He has been in office much longer than the new law issue and it's just now that they go after him?
That's what I wondered during 8 long insufferable years of Dubya's law-breaking, torture and abuses. There are 8 years of lost children due to the crimes of that failure.
What on earth are you babbling about?
Not babbling. Responding to the statement above. Dubya's crimes are well-documented.
The question is why Arpaio is not in prison. Guess he sorta follows in the mold of Jan Brewer--a firebrand who lies about matters like "beheadings" while financially profiting from her own investments in private prisons where the illegals will be taken. Pretty good for a gun nut with no college degree to her credit.
Oh so sad for Arizona. Many of us wouldn't dream of going there do to the horrific policies in place. "Come to Arizona--we'll check your skin color to see if we need to put you in one of Jan Brewer's private prisons."
Yeah, you would think STLMike is talking about George Bush, but given the monotonous tone of some of these commenters he's probably talking about some unproven conspiracy theory. Obsess much, STLMike? We all want to know what the heck you're referring to? Is it Reagan's ability to sell arms to Iran while illegally funding the Contra's? Oh, wait. No, that was Fox News commentator Olly North. Maybe Nixon? By the way, what has Obama done in comparison to them? Passed a health car law? Oh my God, no!! Taxes being used to take care of the sick and dying. Now, that must be illegal.
Hey Jim:
You really think the DOJ would file a lawsuit under these circumstances if it was a simple matter of "what type of documents they want to examine"? All governmental entities that receive federal funds agree to provide ANY documentation requested by the federal government. The feds are not required to permit the local jurisdiction to limit the type of documents or to place technical impediments on the scope of the documents.
It appears to me this is just the most recent of a long line of deliberate acts by this local sheriff that constitute an abuse of his authority, intimidation, and arrogance. However "right" one might think his motives, the sheriff's methods are unlawful and he therefore needs to be disciplined accordingly.
No one--NO ONE--in this country is above the law!
Sherrif Joe regularlay says: "I'm not above the law, I AM THE LAW!"
No one in this country is above the law unless you are in the obama administration or an illegal alien. If people did not like the sheriff he would not be re-elected. Poor criminals, how sad they are punished for breaking the law. Where is the aclu when you need them?
stlmike, well said. i assume you mean bush, the gy who has been convicted of DUI and many other crimes.
i would put more, but this just shows how until they have a different view from you, you're willing to look the other way.
HATR_HURTER - what does it matter if GW got a DUI 25 YEARS before he ran for Pres? The only "crime", if there was one at all, was not manning up and admitting it. We've ALL made mistakes. And what "many other crimes" has GW been convicted of? Hmmmmm? Perhaps wew should stick to the facts here, and not unsubstantiated hyperbole...
As for Joe Arpaio - I don't see how he has done anything illegal. He's tough as nails, sure - but by god, NOBODY wants another stint in his jail, and that's the entire idea behind the way he treats folks. He doesn't coddle them. As for the Feds - there is not a damned thing wrong with making them specify exactly what documents they want him to produce. I'm sure, when they do so specify, he'll produce what they ask for. He probably has millions upon millions of pages of documents. If they don't specify, how is he supposed to know what he needs to produce?
And the lawsuit?... It's just another political game to make the Feds look good and make Joe look like the uncooperative one, when it is just a carefully manipulated PR tool to deceive fools such as yourself.
just because someone is never convicted doesn't mean they didn't commit the crime.
Union Baby wrote:
Union Baby's comment was inappropriately collapsed. There is absolutely nothing out of bounds about it. I understand now that the collapsing is done by people posting to the thread and not by the moderator. But shouldn't people who repeatedly make spurious complaints about other people's comments be disciplined equally with those who do violate the rules for postings?
Go Sheriff Joe. The great majority of the country are with you. Two years counting November and Obama is toast!
The country deplores this idiot and idiot racisits like you. I bet you liked Duh-bya, didn;t you? Takes a moron to enjoy a moron.
Speaking of morons, as you are no doubt enjoying Obama.
This is to Dan, the only moron and racist here is you. Wake the hell up you ingrate
Certainly am enjoying him -- he's not perfect, but compared to Shrubby, it's like living in America again.
NO we ARE NOT with you Joe!
What does Obama have to do with this? You're either a joke or a racist
dan smith-300226 and dodger64, you're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Mac, we don't have to be with him as long as the folks in Arizona want him, they have him. I don't understand why people who aren't even from that state care what goes on in that state. It is obvious to anyone that the federal government is trying to show their authority in the matter of the Arizona law. He has been sheriff for a long time and they are now suing him? I don't believe that he has done anything wrong. Jail is supposed to be a punishment, not a stay in a hotel. When I lived in California, the prisoners in San Diego were suing because their mattresses weren't thick enough. It is Arizona's business what they do so let them do it. If you don't live in the state, why are you worried about what goes on there? We don't live on the border and we have to respect the ones that do have voted in the one that they believe will do what he has to, to keep them safe.
Can't believe what this administration is putting AZ through. This fungus of liberal thinking is killing this country. Can't wait til it's a 3rd world country then maybe you will all shut your holes.
In the mean time, here are a few compliments
Q: What do you call a basement full of Liberals?
A: A whine cellar.
Q: How many Democrats does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. They prefer to walk in the dark.
Q: What is it called when a Liberal blows in another Liberal’s ear?
A: Data transfer.
Joe is doing what Obama's administration is too afraid to do... getting rid of illegals who are draining our country dry. When Obama sides with the Mexican President instead of an American Sherif who is trying to keep order in our country... you know he is protecting his voting base and not America.
Give me a break--Sheriff Joe is doing what the FEDERAL government should but is afraid to do!!! 80 % of the NATION supports the Arizona laws--why aren't the legislators listening----
GO Sheriff JOE!!!
GED, stay on task. The issue is compliance with a federal investigation.
And ALL the other states abide by THE LAW that states that IF you take FEDERAL $$$ then you will also cooperate in these investigations. Looks like Sherriff Joe is the outlaw in this scenario. Besides:
What exactly hasn't the federal government NOT done?!?! Yet you're actually siding with this yahoo to break the law? Well, we sure know who ISN'T on the side of "law and order" and the Constitution: You and Sherriff Joe.
Hey jose..first of all .."Go back to Mexico"you illegal!!!!!!!!!!!! The money Sherrif Joe recieves a year does not total even one percent of the billions this country wastes every year on you illegals.. ""GO BACK TO MEXICO WHERE YOU CAME FROM"""and take your anchor babies and the rest of your illegal relatives and stay there this time....................That's was my easy answer to ignorant post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as your misstatement about Odumba sending Nat. Guard and beefing up the border patrol..My answer is "Quit drinking the Kool-Aid...He sent noone to Arizona until a couple of weeks ago and the only power he gave them is if they see illegals crossing into Arizona they can notify the authoritys. They can not engage them or try to stop them in any way.. They have not been given any powers to arrest anyone. They are just more of Odumba's "tokens" to appease unhappy voters..
We can make the legislators listen - in November. Just remember when you go to vote that no matter how much your senator or congressperson says they have done for you, they helped cause the problems we are in today. Until and unless we get enough of them out and honest statesmen and women in nothing will change.
Sending 10 unarmed National Guard troops to the boarder is not sealing the boarder.
The drones are not allowed to give their information to law enforcement because of "Illegal spying in the United States" and as for building a fence, why not hire the ex-East Germans. They kept their boarder sealed quite well.
I'm sorry, what about my statement was untrue Gordo? I said he sent Nat'l Guard troops since he took office, and you're foaming at the mouth over it. Sounds like, if anything, you're agreeing with me that I'm right - Obama DID send them.
OOPS! Somebody's been spending too much time in Beckistan!
"White House officials called the Guard troops a "force multiplier" on the U.S. side of the border and said some would engage in counternarcotics missions. In a statement, the Mexican ambassador to the United States praised the "additional US resources to enhance efforts to prevent the illegal flows of weapons and bulk cash into Mexico, which provide organized crime with its firepower and its ability to corrupt." - from here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/25/AR2010052503227.html
You REALLY should spend time actually READING news stories, instead of just opening your mouth and swallowing the Beckism's whole. It's like, chewing food, you know? Your read it, you THINK about it, and you analyze it for yourself.
Oh, sorry - I mentioned "thinking". I didn't realize you're incapable of that. In that case, just shut up - that might not make you look so stupid when you spout off all your idiocy.
Jose Von Hussein....you ask what the federal government has NOT done? How about they haven't rounded up all the illegal aliens in this country and shipped them out? How about they haven't fined and/or imprisoned business owners who hire illegals? How about they choose to NOT enforce federal immigration laws, thereby forcing Jan Brewer to make it so the state of Arizona can round up its own illegals and take matters into its own hands?
If we don't take immediate action to prevent future illegals from coming in, and purge the country of the illegals already here (along with their anchor babies), we will all be speaking Spanish and teaching Mexican history to our kids in just a few years!!
Why not?
After Obamacare, cap-and-trade, the proposed closure of Guantanamo, civilian trials (in NYC, no less) for KSM and the other 9/11 conspirators, the Ground-Zero mosque debate, the Justice Department lawsuit against the state of Arizona...why not this, just 60+ days ahead of the mid-term elections?
Regarding the outcome of those elections in November, has there ever...EVER been a more appropriate example of the term "self-fulfilling prophecy"?
Unbelievable...
gordon, go back to europe, the mexicans were here first. oh wait, ***** like you are hated over there too!
Jose,
I'll tell you what the federal government has NOT done......... Enforced their own law that says if you're not a citizen of the United States and you are in this country illegally you're breaking the law and need to get out and we'll make sure you don't stay.
How are civilian trials and closing Guantanamo listed as negatives by any rational person? Are there really people who support keeping a gulag open on the soil of a country we refuse to acknowledge exists?
It's getting harder and harder to predict what the next factor pushing the Democrats' poll numbers even lower ahead of November's midterms will be...
The general direction downward is child's play.
The specifics...?
They continue to surprise, don't they?
Devil's Advocate (quite the appropriate name, btw), said:
Are you concerned about the deficit too? With what money will we "round them all up and ship 'em out"? Maybe with the magic money you produce in your head? Get real.
Actually, that's what Obama HAS been doing. Obviously you're watching WAYYYY to much Fox Noise to bother knowing that Obama has deported MORE illegals than Bush did. Did you know that? Obviously not:
"The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.
But while previous administrations have relied on workplace raids, Obama has moved away from that tactic, instead auditing companies that hire illegals and assessing $6.4 million in fines" - from here: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/07/obama-has-deported-more-immigrants-than-bush/60433/
So, based on the evidence above, you wanna rephrase your question above, jackass? Read, think, learn. Oh wait - sorry, I forget I'm dealing with people that don't do any of those things, so I have to do it FOR you.
It does get tiring.
Wow - went to crickets in this thread after I posted the facts. Fascinating.
What gets tiring is the perspective of whackos like you, Jose. You make valid points above - to an extent. Still it seems to me that all you have to do if you are here illegally, and do not want to get caught and deported, is - don't work! Go sit your dead ass on welfare and hatch a brood of anchor babies and draw ever-growing welfare checks!
...Jose....." What hasn't the federal government NOT done ?".........clue.......The federal government has not prevented 14 million law breakers from entering America illegally, has not prevented illegal immigrants from avoiding taxes, bleeding our education, social services and health care system, has not prevented illegal immigrants from thumbing their nose at American laws and committing crimes American citizens are prosecuted for.....should I go on??
Albuquerque Bill doesn't understand how welfare checks work, apparently. Whacok? Yes, but it's not me.
And Ellis, regarding those "14 million law breakers"? You do realize that OBAMA is the one who is not only DEPORTING MORE than Bush did, but he's also cracking down on the employers? See, if you'd read my post above, you'd know that.
Try reading for a change - you people accuse Mexicans of "not speaking English" - why don't you try READING some English for once! Should I go on? I mean, how hard is it for you to read that Obama IS doing something about the problem you're so amped-up about? Freaking do some research instead of regurgitation of right wing talking points for once.
Jose, good job. Hard to believe some folks are so hateful but they are.
....Jose.......Try reading for a change?....good advise, practice what you preach.....Where did I say anything about Mexicans "not speaking English"?....Pay attention........Did you forget what your question was, "What hasn't the federal government NOT done ?"
Personally, I approve of Obama's efforts to go after employers and prosecute and deport more illegal immigrants and drug smugglers....but that was not your question.....If you would try harder to comprehend more of what you read, you could better avoid putting your foot in your mouth
That's so weird - I thought I said, "You people" not "You, Ellis." Oh hey look - I did!
Pay attention INDEED.
No. I responded to you; now you respond to me. See - that's how a debate works. Please read the link I posted oh-so-helpfully for you before you go making even crazier accusations against me when you haven't responded to my response TO you.
Thanks!
....Jose......other than insults and a word play reference as 'you people' not meaning Ellis, there was nothing in your response worth responding to....Sorry...but if I am going to debate, I prefer my opponent comprehend the context of statements, and be able to stay on subject matter
Actually Jose, we've arrested 400,000 illegal immigrants. That is nowhere near the number we actually deported. The DOJ has sent down a letter saying to release those who are here illegally but have not broken any other law, because "there would be nothing to stop them from getting legal citizenship". Well, if that were true, why aren't they? And I guess now the DOJ can just pick and choose what laws they're going to uphold. I would link the story for you, but let's be real.....it's from Fox, so you would immediately dsimiss it, just like you take as law the word from The Atlantic, admitted to lie more on the liberal side of the spectrum by its peers.
jose.....Take a chill pill dude. its no wonder this country can;t get ahead, just scroll this page and read all the hate on both sides.I am a republican but I respect the president and his office I just think he needs everybody;s help. as for the sherriff I think we should leave this to the people that elected him evidently they like the way he does his job.I do not agree with the gov. putting mexico above our own states . I could not imagine haveing to put up with the criminal ellement comeing across the border ,even though thier are good people there is a lot of bad and sometimes it takes a man that can get the job done and evedently that is what the sherrif does or the people would elect someone else.Unless you live there ,stay out of it.would you want other states telling your community how to run your law enforcement.
Jose...dude....before you start mouthing off your rebuttals to my responses, make sure you read and understand my response! My response to your original question, "what hasn't the gov't. done" was that it has NOT rounded up and deported ALL illegals....and it has NOT fined ALL businesses hiring illegals in this country. I couldn't give a rat's a$$ that Obama has deported more than Bush did. The job isn't done until it's completely done. We've got millions and millions of illegals in the country already, with hundreds more streaming across the border every single day! You want to know how we should go about doing this, Jose?? How about this....take all the billions of dollars we have already earmarked for two fruitless wars, bring back every single soldier from Iraq and Afghanistan, put enough armed military presence on the border so as to be able to shoot the criminals as they steal across our borders. The rest of the military will assist in rounding up the rest of these criminals that have been stealing from the USA, and in most cases, sending the stolen monies back to Mexico. The military needs to be used to win wars that they can win, and this one is one we CAN and WILL win!! And, unlike spending money on wars we cannot win, with no possibility of payback, this war's outcome will pay for itself. Look at all the jobs that Americans will now be doing instead of illegals. Look at the drop in free healthcare and municiple services needed! Tax revenues will pick up dramatically, as there will be no need for employers to "pay the hired help under the table, tax-free"!
Jose, you obviously aren't interested in saving our country from the onslaught of illegal immigration. Makes me wonder if you may be one of those who would be rounded up and sent back, once we get our act together and do something to stem the flow of illegals. Hmmmmm....
Arpaio has ties to CCA, the private prison firm that has federal contracts and holds illegals. I'm sure of it. Someone needs to check his finances. He is making them money during a down turn in illegals coming through the boarder by more than 1/2 from 850K to 300K. Him and Brewer need to go to jail for their financial gains from CCA.
Please cite your proof.
Or shut up!
Resbot Nermo,
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-09-01-illegal-immigrants_N.htm?csp=34news
I assume people posting would know the daily news.......ooops! Forgot the Fox News crowd doesn't read.
Resbot
Do you doubt Ol Pink Panty Arpio would be in it for the $$? Why do you think he created "Tent City" in the first place? Super cheap facilities compared to airconditioned concrete and steel....and guess where the "Tents" came from.....hhhhhmmmmm makes you wonder eh?
Anyone catch the debate last night between Brewer and Goddard? I read this morning that she was rattled. She couldn't speak English. And she took long pauses because she kept losing her train of thought. She wouldn't answer direct questions but kept redirecting to other topics? Is that true? I wish someone who watched would give me their opinion.
Ana,....thanks for posting that link!!!
I especially like the graph that shows during the Bush years illegal immigration increased EVER year, and after Obama took office, each year it has declined. While many neo-cons would argue that it's because of the recession that the figure has declined and not because of Obama's policies...but let's take into accound WHY the recession happened..... then i suppose we actually CAN give credit to the Bush era for the decline in immigration since it was on HIS watch that all this BS was brewing and came to a head in late 2007/early 2008...
Ana, why do you need someone who watched the interview give you their opinion...you clearly already formed an opinion, like all liberals, and it's wrong, like most liberal opinions.
Dano01, you say illegal immigration increased under the Bush years, maybe that's because we had a better economy and had jobs for the illegals to take, under Mr O, our economy sucks and we have no jobs for them and they are better off in mexico...what a great review of our country, "it's so bad, even illegals don't want to be here" Maybe the US Chamber of Commerce could use that as their slogan.
Jim,
Our "better economy" under Bush was nothing but a lie! It was a house-of-cards, built on a foundation of sand, next to the ocean with a hurricane comming! Those tax credits for the wealthiest american's enacted during a time we were fighting 2 wars were NOT paid for! He took a surplus and drove this country so deep in the red, it will take generations to dig us out! PRESIDENT Obama is trying (as well as the Dems in congress) to find a solution to the utter disaster created by the FAILED policies of Bush. De-regulation DOES NOT WORK! Never has, never will! Wall street greed will always be there - the best case scenario is to be sure that never gets out of hand again!
AnaBanana-1782128
That link you cited has nothing about your stupid allegations. You can't prove jack dick and you know it. You're just spouting off nonsense as usual.
Tell me, did Sheriff Joe serve you green baloney during your stay there? Because it sounds you're still full of it.
Maybe Jim, The Chamber of Commerce could use that $75 Million they plan to use on the upcoming elections to Hire some people, instead of wanting to Fire somemore.
Comeon Now, Stay in Line:
Bumpa, Bumpa, Bum-Pa:
....Spikeshouse....what is your problem with sheriff Joe's tent city and bologna sandwiches that saves taxpayers over four million dollars per year? And if you are not a criminal or illegal immigrant, why do you protest in favor of air conditioned cells ?
Jim. Try reading first-- it is clear Ana was asking if anyone actually watched the debate and could confirm if what she read was true or not. That has nothing to do with being a liberal or a conservative. In fact, Ana gets a gold star for not assuming.
Yes, AnaBanana, please provide the proof that Arpaio and Brewer are committing the crimes you say they are. Your link only talked about #s of illegals, nothing about these charges you've made.
Great! Its more important to bust Sheriff Joe then to stop the drug and human smugglers. Dems may celebrate but they have to understand why they are losing the argument. Their priorities are screwed up.
Yes... that's right. The Sherriff wants the federal tax $$$, but he doesn't want to abide by the laws that come with taking it. I guess he's kinda got his priorities screwed up too, now, don't he?
If only Joe would follow the rule of law that he cherishes.
I LOVE guys like John, here. Posit a FALSE CHOICE, i.e. "bust Sheriff Joe" OR "stop the drug and human smugglers." And THEN, just for good measure, throw in a partisan political rant.
How stupid do you think people are, John? Even conservatives know BS when they see it (I THINK)!
Don't be silly nresq. You know there is only one man in the US that can defend the laws of this country. If we get rid of Captain Tent there will be no one left to save us. LOL
Abide by the law...boy are you in the wrong place. The laws may be on the books but the government chooses to enforce only select ones and ignore others.
If you're referring to illegal immigration, PEW study says it has gone down in recent years. Are you actually saying that Arpaio is right in obstructing a federal investigation?
Who's says he's obstructing it? Is he actively getting in their way and actively blocking them? Or is he just passively refusing to cooperate and kiss these Washington clowns ass?
Anyone who is in the Information Technology field knows that for a sprawling enterprise environment, a mix of decentralized control (states) and centralized control (Feds) is often ideal. However each satellite office must have a trusted administrator. Same goes for Franchises. A Franchisee must work with the Central Office not fight against it.
As for discrimination by Sherrif Arpaio. I am a Tucson AZ native. Pima County Sherrifs and Marana Police were all over my Blackanese (Half W Virginian of Nigerian Decent and Half South Vietnamese) arse back in 1994. Albeit I was a mischief but I shudder to think of what it is like to be a teenage driver in today's political climate.
Adidas..
At least you admit you brought it on yourself.. Most likely that is the case in 99 percent of cases.. there will always be bad cops.. but this doesnt make Sheriff joe a bad cop..
Yes it does make him bad. Illegal is illegal.
Well Dave, I guess that means we FINALLY deport all those illegal aliens? You have to be an Obama sheep, picking and choosing what laws to enforce.
I live across the country from Sheriff Joe, near some of the worst crime cities in N.J., and I just wish we had someone willing to actually enforce the laws. There is way too much liberalization of our prison system. Prison is supposed to be punishment, a deterrent, and we have changed it into a country club due to "rehabilitation" of the criminal. I would dearly love to see what the percentage of convicted felons are re-incarcerated due to continuing criminal activity.
Go for it Sheriff Joe. The country needs more like you.
BTW, FR has to be the most left leaning column I've ever read. But it's amusing to watch all the libbies fall over themselves trying to make a logical comment.
Hey, there's another easy answer: Cut off the money! He's another one of those conservatives that LOVES federal money but likes to kick the gift horse in the mouth.
Kick him back.
Hey jose..first of all .."Go back to Mexico"you illegal!!!!!!!!!!!! The money Sherrif Joe recieves a year does not total even one percent of the billions this country wastes every year on you illegals.. ""GO BACK TO MEXICO WHERE YOU CAME FROM"""and take your anchor babies and the rest of your illegal relatives and stay there this time....................That's was my easy answer to ignorant post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff Gordon hates you, you racist maggot! How dare you call yourself a Gordon fan you pasty white redneck hillbilly cousin fugger! Go back in your hole and shut the funk up; we're tired of wiping the dribble off your lip and smelling your skunk arse trash.
and take Sherriff Hillbilly with you and let out the Gimp to play with before people like Jose get mideviel on your arse!
Hey "Gordo" fan - first of all, you reveal your racism by saying I should go back to Mexico simply because my first name that I use online is "Jose." Why am I automatically "illegal" to you simply because my name is "Jose"? There are millions of AMERICANS who are named "Jose" who are here legally. So you betray your hatred and ignorance from your words. Oh and all these, too:
I mean, shoot - THAT'S funny!
Secondly, I'm not even FROM Mexico. I was born here, my parents were born here, and THEIR parents were born here too. Good try though. Nice to know how you really feel about anyone who's not of the Aryan tribe.
HEY! Its my old pal, Gordanfan24!
The guy that can't even spell the driver's name right who he has adopted as his handle!!!
That pretty much shows you how F*ing stupid he really is!
Display name insults are stupid. Display name insults that assume nationality and a bunch of actions are really stupid.
Gordanfan24, you're suspended for a week for violating #1 of the Code of Honor. Running out of chances.
Spikeshouse, here's the second part of that rule:
You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
I'm not sure who this Tyler fellow is but I like him.
Charles...
Tyler is the Gate Keeper as I fondly refer to him as!
In all seriousness... he's our moderator here on Newsvine!
PS: Hope you enjoyed that vaca of yours!
Thank you, Tyler!
Thanks Feisty!
I love the way Tyler thoroughly explains his actions.
I had a great time on my vacation in Wisconsin Dells. There sure were a lot of political adds! It will be interesting to see if Fiengold pulls through in November and all of the other action going on with our neighbors to the north.
There are A LOT of young eastern Europeans working in that town. Of couse if they were in AZ, Sheriff Joe wouldn't bother asking for thier papers!
actually he's one of those who votes against governmnt spending but when the check comes out he takes it, or in other words a hypocrite.
....Jose.......you really do need to comprehend more of what you read. It is not Sheriff Joe who refuses to work with the feds or who kicks the gift horse in the mouth. Up until the Arizona immigration law, the feds trained and welcomed sheriff Joe and his deputies to assist them in locating and detaining illegal immigrants...it is well recorded.....Sheriff Joe cannot help it if the feds changed their minds to garner votes in an election year, he's is still doing the job the feds enlisted him to do originally, now some want to make him the villian for political reasons....you should be ashamed
I am an independent who voted for Obama and truely believe he wants to do what is best for America, but he listens to his advisors too much about election year politics, and that is a 'change' he can make...Posturing will not garner as many votes as honesty
On a Political note: I am hoping the majority of Senate republicans are ousted for intentionally making difficult times worse, their theory of "if Obama fails and Americans are still suffering, we win" sucks....but I am also hoping that several Senate democrats who sold out the American people in favor of their own job security go hand in hand with the republicans.....I am American above all else, and will defend whomever I believe is right.....And sheriff Joe is in the right on this issue
I'm for Sheriff Joe. No TV, Pink suits, bologna sandwiches and all. Keep up the GREAT work. If the prisoners don't like how their being treated, "Don't Come Back".
And I'm for the rule of law. What about you Eddie?
Amen to that. It appears that the federal government is targeting a high-profile figure in the State. He's treating the incarcerated as they should be treated...... get rid of all the pampering.
Are any of the policies that Eddie lists above against the law?
I'm for the rule of law too but tell the DOJ to shove it until the federal government enforces ALL of its own laws, not just certain ones!
How is it that all these "I'm for the rule of law" never seem to want apply it to the rapists, murderers and thieves that abound in today's world? Is it only the law if someone you don't agree with does it? Maybe we should just disband all police departments and let everyone fend for themselves? How would that be liberals? Remember, the conservatives are the God and guns people and don't take a lot of crap from the 'to each according to need" liberals. Let's try it for a month. Bet the liberals suddenly get real conservative.
As far a Joe goes, keep up the good work, most of honest, hardworking America supports you!!!!
11 deleted, Sheeple Hearder with basically a diss track.
Who? The DOJ? People you disagree with? Other Viners? Mind #1:
You deleted one of my comments yesterday, tyler...
That said...I don't envy you.
Good luck...the patience of Job might not be enough on this one.
We have so many problems in this country and our Legal arm of the government has time for this?
This is exactly why people are fed up with the Federal Government.
Discrimination and civil rights are such a small things aren't they?
Funny but I was under the impression that convicted felons lost many rights and that illegal (meaning NOT LEGAL, criminal for you liberals) aliens were not even covered by the Constitution. What document contains all these so called civil rights, past what is in the Constitution? I'd really like to know. Everyone talks about civil rights, where are they listed?
yo bobby what about innocent until proven guilty? And I'm prety sure the Bill of Rights is set up for anyone on US soil. Even criminals in jail have rights that must be adhered too.
Just as small a thing as voter intimidation but must be flying below the DOJ radar.
yabecoo, if you are referring to the incident involving the New Black Panther Party (NBPP) then the decision to not press criminal charges was made by the Bush administration. The Obama administration did reduce the civil penalty, though.
Oh Yeah, Yeah? Did you get that from info the HuffPo or Center for American Progress.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html
amen to that.
my amen to that was for MomLags post.also a prayer out to those on the east coast tonight.
Enforcing immigration laws is one thing. Violating civil rights is another. If the Sheriff is going to enforce laws, he must also follow them. This lawsuit isn't about Sherrif Joe's enforcement of immigration laws. It's about blatantly violating the civil rights of people in this country.
Really Enrique..
Please.. He has not been charged with any such Crime Violating someones Civil Rights.. Really. When did the DOJ charge him with that Crime?.. I will patiently wait your response
The DoJ hasn't, but he also hasn't complied with turning over evidence so they can conduct an investigation. It cannot be said that he has, but it also cannot be said that he has not.
What evidence??? Why would he be sued instead of arrested if there was a criminal action??? Just taking up time until the dems get a deal with the UN for a "humanitarian" take over of the "UNRULY" 20+ states that want to enforce the immigration LAW the same as AZ.
Sheriff Joe violated no one's civil rights, he does what the law says. Why don't you show some kind of proof instead of just running ignorant mouth? This is just pure harrassment, pushed by liberal crook in phoenix, willcox,, and other illegal huggers wanting the cheap labor. He has been provideing hundreds of thousands pages of paper and doj is too stupid to find a fault. DOJ holder, chicago thug needs fired and tried for racist he is. Somebody above said bush released black panthers, how stupid can you really be? There are way too many quoters and trolls here with absolutely no sensible backing. Could some of you please read and listen to factual information instead of just memorizing your sheeple one liners?
Joe. when the federal government begins to cooperate with the American people, rather then tell them what they must do, then you should cooperate with them. It's a two way street. I sure don't want my tax dollars going to investigate some trumped up charges. Hell, just throw him in a dungeon like they did in medieval times when someone offended the crown and save the tax payers grandchilden another deep debt.
How about his ties to the white supremacist neo nazi groups.
JOmama, please, provide us with the proof of your charge. If it's true, I'm sure we all want to know.
This is about the 3rd post where Jomama makes wildly untrue claims. Next she'll say he's an alien here to extract the planet's resources before moving on. This isn't a Die Hard movie. Go take some lithium and take a nappy nap.
This is another lawsuit this Sherriff will lose but since he does not pay the bill it will not matter to him. One of these days voters are going to look at their property tax bill and wonder why they are so high. The answer - that is how judgements against this man get paid. And yes he has lost previous lawsuits which have resulted in judgments totally tens of millions of dollar.
Property taxes are so high in AZ because they are supporting thousands of illegal immigrants flooding their ERs and schools, taxing the police and fire department resources, and contributing NADA to the economy. These people are all uneducated, unskilled, and poor. Just what we need more of in this country.
Lloyd, it is also possible for property taxes to be high because legal expenses that could have been avoided. You can walk and chew gum can't you?
yo Lloyd......the people coming across the border contribute in many ways. Sure they may not pay the taxes you and I do but they do purchase goods and services in the USA thusly paying sales tax and moving the economy forward. They also perform services that americans needs at tremendously reduced rates allowing those products to be sold at reduced rates. They also poses skill sets long since vanished from american society as technology has overtaken many sectors thusly devolving american hand labor skills.
I agree they put a strain on the tax burden for the true citizens but Obama and George W have also put a large strain on the tax burden of the US and the illegals have been crossing the border for a hell of alot longer than those two yahoos have been around.
But they are safe in their homes, unlike most in the liberal states.
Lloyd, They make excellent Democratic voters.
.....Oso.....State and county estimates say sheriff joe's tent city, bologna sandwiches and prisoner work programs save taxpayers over 4 million dollars per year, so he, not taxpayers are providing the money to defend him against these frivolous lawsuits.
The Sheriff is guilty of pushing back against those who are brought here illegally by the drug cartel and those who enslave those who they smuggle into the country to work at slave wages. They are held captive in "Safe Houses" with as many as 40 or 50 to a modest home. The sheriff has said not in my county or my country and has adopted polices to send the offenders back to their own country of origin to practice slavery there.
The current and past administratons seem to disagree with him on this and are trying to force him to stop his actions in this regard.
You have to decide which is the less evil.
Fly boy, this is about civil rights. End of Story. Comprendez?
This Lawsuit is not about Civil Rights.. Its about information..
cane why dont you go and civil rights your a$$ in mexico??
CaneDad
Do you really believe that turning a blind eye to a group of people being forced into slavery and prostitution is good for their civil rights. Sheriff Joe is trying to break this practice by enforcing that which is a Fedral law on the books now. Those who oppose his actions are trying to force him to ignore the problem.
If you oppose the slavery and forced prostutiton of those smuggeled into this country by those law abiding drug lords and cyotes, then support Sheriff Joe.
If you think slavery and forced prostution are not abuses of a persons civil rights, then you should support the Federal Governments arguments.
Can you comprendez this?
I have tremendous respect for this sheriff and the people of Arizona for fighting the Mexican invasion with their unskilled, poor people and drug traffickers. Let them stay in Mexico where they belong and out of our country.
There is no "Invasion" dummy,,, There has been an unprecedented lack of illegals crosing the border since 2007
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/02/us/02immig.html?_r=1
I have respect for what the sheriff has done, but I have no respect for him not giving the government information or access.... He's not running a secret facility or his own country --- Arizona is not a sovereign nation
Jim, I believe the reason for the drop-off in illegals is tied to the decline of the economy and jobs since 2007. Does anyone believe that when the economy recovers illegal immigration will not also proportionally expand?
Jeff haven't you heard? This is Recovery Summer!
The DOJ needs to stop panedering to the PFC temporarally occupying the white house. Arizona and Sheriff Joe are only supporting existing law. Back the @!$%# off.
What about civil rights don't you understand?
If "Sheriff Joe" were supporting the existing laws of the land, he wouldn't be in trouble now, would he?!? The problem is, he believes he can abide by only those laws he wishes ... while he's raking in money from the very government he snubs. Civil rights violations are STILL violations, regardless of who it is or what job he has. As sheriff, he is bound by his oath to uphold the law. That means ALL of them, not just the ones he likes or believes in.
I wonder if you were complaining when the DOJ under Bush was doing the EXACT SAME THING (pandering to the Bush WH)? You do remember the big stink about the DOJ being politicized, don't you? At least the DOJ is now enforcing most laws ... and not just laws that the current WH wants them to enforce (except, of course, they're still ignoring the Bush Administration's WAR CRIMES). Maybe if the DOJ under Bush would have been doing it's job of backing up the FACE laws, a doctor wouldn't have been gunned down in church after YEARS of illegal activity from the very man who did the shooting....
Seriously, the Federal Government needs to stop this assault on the right of Arizona to protects its selft since the Federal Government has failed so misserably at doing it. The Justice department needs to realize they are fighting the wrong person/entity...instead of hasseling the sheriff why arent they out there on the border stoping the illeglas and drug smugglers. Money being wasted on fighting with Arizona could do some good at controlling the border.
Blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah
such a mature post..
Why is it that illegal immigration is only a major issue when there's a Dem in the WH? I don't recall the Repubs doing a thing about it when they had control ... except to build a multi-trillion dollar wall that does little but slow illegal immigrants down. Oh, I guess Bush ignored the economy until it crashed and burned ... which has done more to stem the tide of illegals entering the country than anything else he did....
Obama has done quite a lot to combat this issue, actually. He's sent the Nat'l Guard, more drones are patrolling, more cash to build even MORE fence, etc., ... and he's asked Congress to get something done on immigration. It's the Repubs in Congress who are saying "now is not the time" to take the issue up. Wonder why? It couldn't possibly be because they want to CONTINUE to use this as a wedge issue to try to SCARE votes out of insecure white people ... could it?!?
Michelle, Bush went so far as proposing amnesty and a guest worker program.. Obviously, it didn't pass.
This is exactly what the Founding Fathers were trying to avoid, a strong central government. Their experiences with European forms of governments convinced them of that danger. That is why this language was added to the constitution in the form of the 10th amendment "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The legislative and judicial branches have been chipping away at this years. This amendment and the issue of states rights was one of the cause of the Civil War. When the South lost the war, good for abolishing slavery, it put a major and what seems to be an irreversible trend to ignoring and greatly limiting states rights.
You do understand equal treatment don't you?
Joe, the 10th Amendment guy: AKA a tenther. I would suggest that you read the Consititution where it explicitely states that immigration law is the responsibility of the Federal government. I bet you are a separatist also. Seceeding is no longer an option either.
Do you want to live in the world of 200 years ago? The reasons for the opposition to central government is that states were differentiated and it was impossible to communicate across the entire country in a reasonable period of time. Today, I in Seattle have much more in common with people in Austin, TX; New York City; LA; Chicago; etc. than I do with people in central and eastern Washington. The notion of states' rights in the age of instant communication works AGAINST representative government.
Unfortunately the Federal Govt has had to enforce the civil rights that are granted to ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS by the Constitution because sometimes the states refuse to do so. Remember Gov George Wallace and Alabama? Don't you believe in civil rights for all American Citizens?
Hey, Ron Indiana, please point me to the Article, Section or Amendment that deals with immigration?
Joe: Article I Section 8 ...Establish an uniform rule of naturalization...
Ron,
From Article 1, Section 8 "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" doesn't mean the federal government is the only one empowered to enforce the law. If Arizona wrote a law that was not in agreement with Congresses "...uniform Rule of Naturalization" the feds may have had a legitimate complaint. In fact the judge didn't strike down the law itself but only the provisions on how to enforce the law and that based only on the fear of race based profiling. Please make sure you know what you are talking about before you spout off statements like "thenther"
Joe: Article I, Section 8 Establish an uniform rule fo naturalization...read it again Joe. This is a federal government responsibility. BTW. it is tenther, regarding the 10 Amendment Not "thenther".
There is no specific clause in the Constitution granting control of immigration to Congress, but the SCOTUS has always favored federal control, because of factors like the naturalization clause and the very fact of US sovereignty gives the fed the power to exclude, and foreign affairs. The Chinese Exclusion Case is a good place to start. Chae Chan Ping v. United States, 130 U.S. 581. You should be able to type that into Google Scholar and get the text just make sure you choose legal opinions first.
Actually, the Founding Fathers were trying to strengthen the central government having realized the weaknesses within the Articles of Confederation, especially regarding the regulation of commerce. They were smart enough to realize that there shouldn't be too much power concentrated with one man or group, thus the 3 branches with checks and balances. The 14th amendment further prevented any one state from trampling individuals rights that were part of the Bill of Rights, by requiring that all of the states would also be required to provide those same rights. Beyond that, yes, anything not specified for or against in the Constitution or it's amendments were reserved for the states or the people. I believe that since congress is granted the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization that this gives the congress the right to make laws that govern that rule since naturalization applies to all that are not naturalized or "citizens". That would seem to imply immigrants or other non-citizens to me. This power to establish a rule of naturalization is not granted to the states.
I think the sheriff is doing a bang up job. Oh yes, the feds need to keep their noses out of the States` business. If you do not like the treatment then do not commit the crime. As far as I am concerned I think ALL sheriff`s departments should follow in sheriff Arpaio`s foot steps. The prison system should also follow his lead. Bring back the prison farms and chain gangs. Put the prisoners back to supporting themselves. Remove all the "rights" the Federal courts have given these people and put them to work. Go Arizona Go!
And they can simply return all of those federal dollars they get. Don't go crying to the federal goverment when your civil rights are violated.
Death penalty doesn't cost that much for electricity then we "tax payers" don't have to feed and house your sorry a$$e$ and can save BILLIONS. simple solution
car556 So you would risk killing innocent people that have sat on death row for 20 years just to get your jollies and save you a dollar or two?
Would you be so willing to execute your family is they indeed broke the law which these days, you can by just falling asleep at the steering wheel.
I agree a simple solution for sure!
There are many new articles describing Arizona's losing battle protecting its border with Mexico, and the inability of the AZ counties to protect its citizens in those areas. Gov. Brewer asked for the National guard a couple months ago and the Feds replied with 15 signs warning American citizens to stay away from those areas of Arizona that can't be protected by Federal, State, or County law enforcement. There is a You Tube clip on this called 'Brewer to Obama - signs are not enough'.
Recenty Obama ordered about 500 National Guardsmen to help protect the border, Arizona was promised over 2500 by the Feds, this was until the Feds decided to join with Mexico to sue Arizona. And this was before the DOJ (this article) decided to sue Sheriff Arpaio..... given this information whose side is Obama really on? The State of Arizona or illegal immigrants many of whom are involved with the drug cartels? The answer is obvious.... 12 to 20 million potential new votes for the democrats make this a slam dunk decision for Obama..... good politics, but bad leadership!
Sherrif Joe is my HERO....."Truthful and Unafraid..He's having to inforce the laws the cowardly Left-winged liberal Odumba administration refuses to. With Odumba it's all political. If he inforces the laws that are already on the books he might lose some voters in November and 2012.. He doen't give a damn about America or the taxpayers in it. He's all about amnisty and intitlements creating more left-winged voters..
"says Thomas Perez, the assistant attorney general for the Civil Rights Division" Tom is most likely a Mexican himself. " discrimination against Hispanics"??? huh ..how can you discriminate against illegal "Law breaking mexican's that are crossing our borders illegally and destroying our border states everyday. They have no rights in America. Joe is doing the job the citizen's of his county elected him to do. This is just more of Odumba's arrogent AGENDA....JOE...You make me and most American's proud of the job your doing..
Your knuckles drag when you walk don't they?
obviously El Gordo24's parents are brother and sister and therefore have passed on some chemical inbalance to their kinfolk.
every person has rights gaurenteed by the Bill of Rights regardless if you are a citizen or not. And equally there are rules and laws that everyone, including Sherriff Pink Panty, must abide by escpecially if recieving federal dollars.
Sherriff Pink Panty has for too long been playing by his own rules and envisioning Maricopa County as his own playground exempt from State and Federal Laws.
Time to close up shop Sherriff Pink Panty and retire off into the sunset. We don't want your bigotry any longer!
GordAnfan, you do know that AZ used to be Mexico, right? Gadsden Purchase, google it. The invaders were the white people, not the brown. It should be no shock to see Hispanics walking around. Arpaio can't stop Jose just because he looks like a Jose. I'm just waiting for the day when he stops one of my in-laws for being illegal and finds out one is a Tucson cop and the other a border patrol agent. And Arpaio isn't violating just the rights of Hispanics but of anyone he wants because he isn't being held accountable. The DOJ investigation will take care of that.
so what laws in Sherrif Joe breaking??? I thought these laws were already on the books?
The ones upholding Civil rights and the one that states he is to cooperate with federal investigations as a receipient of Federal Gov't funds. Clear enough for you and all the other hero worshippers on here!
did you even read the article?
Sounds like another crock coming from the administration.....
I can see why you gave up.
This is just another witch hunt by the Obama government because Sheriff Arpaio and Arizona won't bow down to Obama. The DOJ under Holder is a big joke and hasn't done anything right since taking over the Department of Justice. Our government its more stupid every day. I will bet not to many democrats running for election will come out in support of the DOJ in this case. They will run like chickens, just like they are running from the HCR and the stimulus bill.
Taxpayers in Maricopa county open your wallets to pay for needless legal expenses.
sfcret.... You are absolutely right. This investigation was started on behalf of the following members of congress... Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), and Robert Scott (D-Va.) as well as by ACORN and National Day Laborer Organizer Network. They are also pushing for an investigation into ICE and the way it trains it agents as they feel that ICE is unfairly targeting hispanics as well. However, this investigation did start back in March 2009. So it can't be said it is a response to Sherrif Joes support of SB1070. However, I do think the DOJ is going to push as hard as possible to convict him of event the smallest crime.
The thing about this case, however, is the DOJ has yet to express to anyone at least one instance when the Sheriffs office violated civil rights. They only say they want to review its training of offers as they are traind under ICE as set forth in an agreement the Sheriff's Department has with Homeland Security. So, if ICE and Homeland Security are training Sheriff Joe's department in the enforcement of federal immigration laws, and his department is following that training, where do you think DOJ should be investigating?
Taxpayers in Maricopa county open your wallets to pay for needless legal expenses.
And just whose wallet is the federal government digging into??? Must be China's since we are 13 trillion in the hole and counting. Eric Holder, DoJ, what a joke..
sfcret, here's a quote-Our government its more stupid every day.
if that's not the pot calling the kettle black then i don't know what is.
Hatr, what are you the grammar police? I'm 69 yrs old and my typing and grammar might not be that good but at least I have common sense and I really don't worry about peoples grammar or spelling. If you have nothing to contribute to the subject being discussed then don't post anything.
I bet you are a right wing God Blless America can do no wrong Conservative Republican that wants everthing your way and the heck with the rest right? I mean who would care if your husband or wife were lounging in tents in 112 degree weather.
This loose cannon called a sheriff is an extremist and not worthy of holding the position that he does.
He is sickoid for sure!
Yes. God forbid someone who breaks the law be uncomfortable. Where does he get off? I mean, you would think murderers, rapists, pedophiles, armed robbers, and other general sociopaths would get more respect. It's almost like he's punishing them for doing something wrong. What a lout!
The other side of your bleeding heart coin looks like this: Would you care about the heat and the tents and the bologna if one of them had murdered your 4 year old daughter? Or your husband? Or your mother? Gimme a break. Liberals are all for leniency as long as it isn't THEIR way of life that is directly affected.
sfcret, your secret's out! You don't believe in the rule of law when African Americans apply it. Well done. Anyone who chooses may ignore a subpoena when it comes from those people like Obama and Holder. Too bad they can't be "painted over" isn't it.
Maybe we should just get rid of the DOJ and return to the good ole days of the 40s and 50s. No civil rights for anyone except people like you and glenn.
Hurlock, typical response, play the race card. I have more respect for the rule of law than Obama and his administration does. This is another witch hunt against Arizona.
Hurlock, your post is as corrupt as the DOJ. We think Holder is wrong or Obama is wrong because they're black? Please. Go throw the race card somewhere else. Why don't you go ask your messiah and his crony why he told Holder to stop investigating the New Black Panther Party's voter intimidation across the country.....but that doesn't count right? Cuz they're black? Who's the racist now?
The Sheriff was next on the hit list. Obama has already ran crying to the U.N. for help with Arizona. You can't make this crap up. This administration is out of control.
The YouTube video of Thomas Paine's Second American revolution is interesting! It talks about issues that the American people need to stand up for and tell this inept, arrogant administration, "HE## NO! You can't do that! This is still OUR country and we want you to STOP what you're doing to it!" ENOUGH!
actually mary, he can. you people seem to have forgotten you lost the election, that's why YOUR views are no longer being represented. just like my views weren't when bush was in office. payback sucks doesn't it.
Your hero sheriff is the one out of control. I hope he finally loses the next election...what he is doing in arizona is sure not stopping or lowering the criminal statisitics for the state...so what good is he doing?
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/21/20100321crimerate0322.html
Please try to state fact.........and not your own biased, skewed opinion passed off as fact.
Come this November when the Repubs come up just short of taking over the House, the Blue Dog Democrats will be in control (moderate Democrats for fiscal responsibility). It will not be Mary354167's House, nor will it be Hatr_Hurter's House, to see what it will be visit the Blue Dog Coalition Website. The time of reckless spending is over!
Sheriff Joe is exactly that, an Elected Sheriff of Maricopa County Arizona. Primarily his jursdiction is solely maricopa County so if you do not reside there he does not effect you. As a state Law enforcement officer he enforces the laws that the state of Arizona enacts. He dont make them, he does not have to support or like them his responsibility is strictly to enforce them, period.
He is fair and will enforce the law equally, just ask the policemen that get arrested for criminal actions just like regular citizens. He seems to be doing something right because he keeps geting re-elected by landslides and he does keep operating costs down for the county which tax payers like.
So as they say, if you dont reside in the county or state, you really dont have a dog in this hunt do you.
Being a Sheriff in Arizona in no way puts him above Federal Law PERIOD
It doesn't matter who elected him, It doesn't matter if he is racist or not, It doesn't matter is he has broken the law whiel "doing his job" What does matter is that he and his department have attempted to defraud and avoid a Federal investigation, If they had nothing to hide, Why?