Just wondering: If you subtracted those who were bussed in, would there be...maybe 10,000. I don't know. No matter how many were there, they did not garner even one new vote.

Enjoy Labor day because after that it will be two months of hard work.

I had a chance to listen to Beck over the lunch hour today. There can be no mistaking the guy's next move: He is assuming Obaba will not be re elected, and therefore his audience will surely shrink. He's already staking out his next big source of buck$- the religious radio audience. I suppose he sees guys like Swaggart and the others make the easy money, and is positioning himself accordingly.

Unlike the present Speaker of the House that wants to investigate fellow Americans regarding their beliefs that the Mosque, albeit legal may not be such a good idea.

Ron,

Why will it be two months of hard work? Nothing will get done in D.C., they will be campaigning, unless you concider campaigning work?

"Enjoy Labor day because after that it will be two months of hard work."

Don't get too full of warmth and hope, Zaphod; on Nov 2nd you're going to find out exactly how many Americans actually agree with Beck and Palin

Ron,

You're corrct, I never worked for a campaign. I'm not a Democrat or Republican. I thought you were talking about the politian. Ya, I guess I see that's some tough work. Well good luck with that!!

Glen Beck is the biggest HYPOCRITE because by constantly stating his hatred for progressives, has the nerve to hold this rally on the anniversary of Dr. King's speech, who was a HUGE progressive, but acts like he's taking up a righteous cause with catchy title, yet completely void of substance. He's just exploiting it all for show and $$$$$

Where would we be without the PROGRESSIVE known as Dr. Martin Luther King? And yet, all these sheep flock to listen to hear Beck speak and don't know any better. Shameful.. yes all of you, if you don't subscribe to things like discrimination and its on-going subtle existence in today's America.. then sorry, you are a progressive, even if you are a republican who watches Fox News everyday. Tough s***. Learn to live with it, and don't let Glen Beck's acid trip somehow work it's way into your thinking.

Good comment, Pat.

"Afloatinasea" makes a typical conservative association that people who choose to leave religion on the back burner or choose no religion are Marxists. Guilty, I say. I love the Marx brothers movies. If only they were in their prime today to skewer the religious right.

Failing that, we must remember that Glennie baby is a convert to the Church Of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints - a secret society. He doesn't promote that as he knows he will soon be asked a bunch of irrelevant questions about his religion just like he asks of Obama. Not wishing to single out that Christian sect for specific ridicule, I must protest the virulent strain of hate and distrust he and other so-called Christians have whipped up for years. It simply is not in the vein of Christianity. I swam in the murky waters of Christianity for 30+ years and this was never a part of what Yeshua seems to have had in mind.

Mr. Beck, you are a fraud, a huckster, an opportunist and a deceiver. Your followers are dupes who seem incapable of researching your fantastic claims to uncover your deceptions. Jeffrey Dahmer could have pulled a bigger crowd than you. Be gone, you uneducated snake oil salesman.

How did Pat's comment get collapsed. Of all the ignorant things.....

I think the 1980's are looking pretty good, right now.

Beck said what he was going to do and he did it and the people came--=Al Sharpton cried about losing his franchise on civil rights (after all, what's a man to do if he can't cry foul against every succesful white guy who also happens to revere MLK)--Maybe, the silent bread basket American has finally had enough and wants his country back--Whatcha think, Dude?

He's not going to run for President it is obvious he is running for God!! Beck is a joke, those people were there for the comedy!!

It is really quite fun to watch these nuts!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfq5kju627c

Here is the official explaining how they do the count for these events.

RonIndiana - Who would have bussed them in? Certainly not SEIU-mob bus drivers. Dems may say they aren't scared, but deep down in their little black, shrivelled-raisin hearts, they have got to be terrified that the power is slipping away. Nasty Gollum people, be gone!

Joe in Albany do you have facts to prove your assertions, or are you just repeating talking points that have no basis of truth behind them but boy they sure sound good ya betcha.

Don't get too full of warmth and hope, Zaphod; on Nov 2nd you're going to find out exactly how many Americans actually agree with Beck and Palin

We saw that in 2008... The election results spoke to that perfectly... Palin was soundly REJECTED by the majority of Americans.

Beck has no credibility... ROTFLMAO!!! He is nothing but an entertainer dancing for the ignorant RNC masses. He criticises the Imam for the same things that he himself has said! ROTFLMAO!

And he is not even running for any office! So who cares??

What happened here? Is this article being linked to by some other site? There are 8 pages of comments and multiple collapsed comments. I go on vacation for a week and FR turns into a free for all.

Apparently I'm one of the "ignorant RNC masses", how about spelling out for me what ROTFLMAO stands for. It must contain words you can't spell. The actual election results in 2008 got us a "cool guy" (Odumbo) who doesn't how to do anything but make speeches.

A big Beck crowd- but how big?
Does it matter? It's not like it accomplished anything anyway, aside from ripping off a bunch sad and angry people. After all that hype, it was a mediocre rally at best. They didn't have anything new to say. It was just the same ol', "Let's get back to God" crap they always start talking about around election time.

I think, "who cares how many people were there?" From the looks of the crowd most will be dead in ten years of old age, heart disease or some other obesity-related illness. Dems... stay healthy and sit back and watch the disappearing act.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE LIEBERAL PROGRESSIVE PANTIES ARE ALL IN A BUNCH ABOUT A WHITE MAN WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!

This is ALL about the fact that Glenn Beck, a white man, had a rally on MLK's speech anniversary at the Lincoln Memorial. He is a white man but even more confusingly he is a Conservative/Independent. To make matters even worse he had a HUGELY successful rally that was inspirational, respectful, apolitical and most of all peaceful. We on the Right side know you were all dreaming that some incident would occur that you could point to and do your usual adolescent,,,,"see, see, Beck is a BLAH, BLAH, BLAH (expletive deleted) BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!" But LO' AND BEHOLD, it didn't. If you were there as I was, or watched it on C-Span (you remember C-Span right? Where Barrack promised to have all of the Health Care Redistribution of Wealth legislation televised,,,,OOPS!) you would have seen that the "Restoring of Honor" rally was about Honor, Faith and Country. If there was a political reference it was simply in passing. MLK was respectfully honored as were our brave troops and our great country that was built on Faith.

We all know that the Lieberal Progressives are losing their alleged mandate. The Democrats in this Congress have to be the most corrupt Uber-Left leaning bunch of incompetents that I have ever seen. Enjoying a Super-majority with the White House in their pockets they managed to bumble and stumble their way through one piece of incompetent legislation after another. TARP, GITMO, $timulu$, Financial NoReform and multiple smaller pieces of legislation and the country continues to falter. And as usual the Lieberals usual excuse is "Bush", "the last 8 years", "I inherited", BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!

Where's all that Responsibility, Accountability, Transparency and whatever other cutsey little slogan or tag-line you Lieberals like to follow in goose-step with? Typical Lieberal Progressive symbolism over substance will never allow you to understand what a Glenn Beck is all about. Your closed mindedness to anything other than what your brainwashed by Nanny Pelosi, Rachel Madcow or Barrack and their programmed envy of those who have achieved will never allow you to become an independent thinking and behaving individual.

Your contempt of the Tea Party Movement is a testament to your fear of it as it is making true CHANGE occur in our country rather than our empty suit presidents foolishess of change. Your relentless pursuit of bringing the greatest economic nation down to being a nanny state is succeeding. 17% of American's are on some sort of government assistance, 50% don't pay taxes and 40 Million are on food stamps. Our government demonizes one of our own states law, as it attempts to protect itself from criminal illegals, without ever reading the Bill. Barrack stands shoulder to shoulder with Pepe Calderon as he brazenly insults OUR state and our laws as his pathetic hole of a country writhes in terror, and our childish leader just looks on.

So go right ahead and keep spewing your Lieberal Progressive propaganda on these web boards and leave the REAL CHANGE that our country so desperately needs to those of us who still have pride in our country and believe in American exceptionalism.

Let's face it, it dwarfed Sharpton's puny rally. Have the black panthers lost their touch? Who clipped their claws? Since ist wasn't Obama and his Attorney General, it had to be the American People!

Here's hoping you are right John.

Pat, specifficaly what crimes are you talking of? Certainly the left media would have any crimes against the mosques all over the place. Another lefty loonie trying to disparige righty wingnuts. Pay attention: it's the silent majority in the middle that is now finding their voices. Look for many professional politicians, d's and r's to be sent home in nov..

Pat, Boston, MARestored

was most certainly a sobering sight for Democrats.

I didn't think so. I thought it was a ridiculous show. Especially knowing full well who was behind it all.

That's so sweet Pat - raising over $5,000,000.00 for military families and you think it was a ridiculous show. How very patriotic of you.

You are all so hell bent on shooting the messenger you don't care what the message is.

While I'm at it - whens the last time Rachael Maddow, Keith Olbermann and the rest of the MSNBC liberal crowd got a rally of (I'll be conservative) 87,000 people together to help out military families?

Too bad your small minded self is too bigoted to have any tolerance towards people who have a different point of view than yours. Yes, there are major differences and major ideas of what we need to do to get this country back on track, but if it doesn't fit into your liberal agenda, it has no merit.

was beck, palin, and bachman selling snake-oil at the event as well as speaking?? i'm sorry, i just don't get it....the hate, stupidity, venomous, ignorance coming out of these three peoples mouths are just insane.....sorry beck, i'll pick my own religion and believe what i believe in my own way and place, and if i don't agree with you, i'm still an American, that served his country proudly in time of war to protect the right of people like you to talk what you believe, so don't tell me if i don't agree with you, i don't love America....you are no better than the taliban that try to push their religion on other people and if we're not with you, we're against you...hate and stupid ignorance is all you have to say..."F'U"

Your hatred of your country is alarming. We were founded on Christian principles and I know just saying that is like putting water on the wicked witch of the west "I'm Melting" I'm Melting". The truth does that to dark evil as you are expressing.

Zaphod-1916664 "It fills me with warmth and hope to see that less than 1% of the US population cares about Beck and Palin."

Since only about 500 showed up for Sharpton's counter-rally, does that mean that only 500 people in the Country care about Black civil rights?

Get real.

Please explain to me why intelligent people, on both sides of the issues, cannot have an intelligent conversation about politics without resorting to name calling and bigoted statements. If you lean right, you are stupid sheep who follow the person with the shiniest mirrors. If you lean left, you are out of touch communists who are plotting the downfall of America. To quote the great philosopher, Charlie Brown, "Good Grief!"

Old Lady,

So when did you MARCH on DC when the country was on the wrong track under Republican control. I guess you have some bigotry yourself????

In my area 5 Christian Churches were broken into vandalized and robbed.Did you hear about it on the news?No but if had been a Mosque it would have been world wide the next day.Things that make you think.

I find most of this coversation to be more polarizing. Why can't people just take some things at face value? Everyone "must" have a hidden agenda. But what I think is really sorry is the rally that the Reverend Al Sharpton had to try and buffet the Beck led rally. How many showed up? 3,000? We have more people than that at the local High School. Maybe America is seeing things a little bit more clearly as to who has the better interests of the whole at heart! I hope so...

Since only about 500 showed up for Sharpton's counter-rally, does that mean that only 500 people in the Country care about Black civil rights?

In an actual apples to apples comparison, I'd say it translates to 500 caring about Al Sharpton. Which is about 400 too many by my book...

Get real.

I'm already VERY real, which is why you have to attempt to twist things and avoid apple to apple comparisons and not even try to refute anything I've actually said.

It was soberging to me. I'm so happy that fat, affluent white men have reclaimed their civil rights. It always broke my heart to know that white rich guys had to sit at the back of the bus, drink from separate drinking fountains, couldn't marry blacks, couldn't vote, yada yada.

You mean the hate crime perpetuated by a left wing radical on a Muslim cabbie who was working for The Cordoba folks, hoping to claim it was white christian folks?

Yes that has been reported, but not by your left wing nut jobs in the main stream media.

This right here shows just how ignorant a lot of poeple are, for someone to say such a contradictory comment and people love him for it. So in your so thought out comment is it just the fat rich "white" christians that are terrorists, or literally ALL white christians? No other race right?

Did you even notice the racial make up of those people at the BECK rally, or the racial makeup of the "Tea Party" in general?

It is almost as white as the Klu Klux Klan... ye haaaa bubba!

Hey, you ever think that the Reason people question Obama's religion and birthplace, is because of his skin color? Really... What else is to different about him?

I had the privilege and honor of attending the rally, I am not compelled to justify to anyone about what the rally was about, the message was a positive peaceful one. We honored veterans and our founding fathers..we were challenged to make a difference in our lives by usings these men as examples...what could possibly be wrong in that?

I think I would much rather be a trapped chilean miner than to stand there and listen to Beck and Palins CRAZY @#$%!

Just exactly was a hate crime that was comitted at any mosque in any part of this country. Stop trying to build a firestorm. Prove your outragious statements.

There ar some real haters who are slandering whitee Christians. Do they even know what a Christian is? I doubt it. I never read anywhere that Christ organised hate groups to join the clan or kill people. how rediculous can you be and still breathe??????

To quote the great philosopher, Charlie Brown, "Good Grief!"

Amen shortstuff, its kind of funny to sit here and watch people accuse each other of hatred in one line, then call them names in the next. Cant anyone here see that both sides are spewing hatred? Being prodded on by career politicians who make there living saying whatever they think the people want to hear.

As funny as it is, its also painful and frustrating to watch people rip each other to shreds, laying blanket names (left, right, republican, democrat, Christian, Muslim, etc...) on people and assuming that all people under one name are the exact same. And always that "exact same" is at the extreme end, and possibly blown way out of proportion by a lack of thought and understanding. Its like walking into a school yard fight where half the kids dont even know what they are fighting about, just that their friend is involved.

You want truth? Here is truth: NOTHING is going to change until we the people wake up and change. The Gov. will continue to be the exact same so long as we allow it to, and until we change in our own homes, the Gov. will not change.

Its time we STOPPED buying on credit, STOPPED sitting on our lazy butts and expecting government hand outs, STOPPED trying to rush ahead and be the one with the most at the end of the day leaving all else to fall behind in our pursuit of the "American dream"

It IS time we started teaching our children to give respect to ALL people, it IS time we taught our children and adults to THINK about the consequences of their actions, instead of just diving in because we want, want, want, want it NOW.

IT IS TIME FOR AMERICA TO WAKE UP AND GET TO WORK, NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO FIX IT FOR US, NO POLITICIAN, NO GOVERNMENT WILL COME IN AND FIX IT, until we demand by our actions that we will not accept anything less then a hardworking, kind, strong, FREE America again.

Funny thing is that Beck is NOT an evangelical ... isn't he Mormon???

WOW, I can't believe all the comments on this post. Peaceful, non-political, and non-threatening. I know this is not what our left leaningi politicos wanted, but it is what it is. Just a bunch of folks, both black and white, merely stating that we want our United States back. Nothing more, nothing less. Remember the good old days: God, Mom, and apple pie? How about reading, riting, and rithmetic? Back when thing were somewhat simpler? Back when government was not in every facet of our lives? Nothing major, not a huge government that is trying to control the banks and auto makers. Not the government that is mandating health care. Not government that is taking over 40% of my salary in taxes and fee each year.

Bevy,

That's this week.

I really feel sorry for your twisted thinking, but mostly I feel sorry for your soul.

Interesting note - Seattles Hempfest got more foot traffic than this did.

THE LIEBERAL PROGRESSIVE PANTIES

LOL this is what we are up against?

I am so sick and tired of the nasty rhetoric from MSNBC and the liberal media insulting Beck for trying to do something good and positive which this country needs right now. Now I don't always agree with Becks Views but reading all this nasty comments and liberal media BS is sure making their true colors show more and more that the far left is scared and they will do what ever it takes to knock Glenn Beck or anyone who don't always agree. How shameful can you idiots be. I sure don't see any of you liberal idiots do something positive so before you cast the first stone take a good hard look at yourself in the mirror because to me it's not a pretty picture. MSNBS YOU STINK AND YOUR LIBERAL FRIENDS.! I am a proud Conservative Independent.!!!!!!!

Pat's comment was collapsed and then restored? Why? Her remarks are probably some of the most racist, hate-filled I've ever read here. So, Pat, how is it that you can live with yourself by equating that all "white Christians" are "American born terrorists"?

So much for the idea that the "community" can censure here. Somebody had to restore that pile of hate.

Pat

Have you ever been outside of the environs of Boston! Have you seen the Dome of the Rock and do you realize what it is built on top of? Do you know what is underneath the Cordoba Mosque, the Gaza Mosque or what was under the thousands of Mosques built from 700 to 1100 AD in India and across Asia? Do you know what the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul is or was? Do you know the five pillars of Islam? Do you know what the Saudi sect of Islam believees is the sixth pillar. Do you know what abrogation stands for. Do you realize that you and your family are all Kefir and your lives have no eternal signifigance at all. Have you ever read a single page from the Quran? Do you recognize that the last forceful Islamic expansion was stopped by pitched desparate battles at Tours and Vienna, where any different result would have you speaking arabic today. Have you ever met an terrorist and asked him why? Why they make it an imparitive to obtain our submission or cause our death?

Hate crimes? You don't know what you are talking about, you repeat mantras without thinking. Radical Islam is still in the same stage of development that it was in when Mohammed died in 632AD. They are the legitimate enemy of free and thinking men everywhere. The Ground Zero Mosque is a deed on land they see as dar al Islam. It is theirs, never to be surrendered and that is how they will view it when it is complete. Hate crimes, you are spouting off about things you have no understanding of, it would be better to call this the Trojan Mosque, at least then you might understand what you are blathering about

Jerry BallardUSNRet Tulare, CA

The Glen Beck Rally was BIG! and the Liberal media know that there were more than 500,000 people and thousands and thousands who would have been there but could'nt because of sickness or work. It was a success. And while the liberal media like CBS, and NBC was quick to under guess the numbers, be asureed that they actually knew the numbers but don't expect the truth from them. Those people are a powerful force and they are tired of the liberals taking god out of their country, we are tired of the Corruption, and we are tired of No representation in the House and the Senate.

Our country has seen Great change but not for the good. We have seen a reckless Spending Democratic House and senate go wild like teens on a summer vacation at the beach. Everything is possible with the Government Charge card. Don't worry to read the bills, the take too long to read and besides that it won't effect them. No it effects you and I

It's time to tell Government enough is enough because six generations of kids not yet born yet are in debt because of the reckless spending and we have a President who wanted Healthcare for Every American, not because he cared about us, but because it was structure toward collasping the American economy so He could raise up a socialist Nation.

We see Double digit unemployment and three waves of New taxes coming in 2011, a failed economy, destroyed housing Market, National Security threats, while the house and Senate continue to vote themselves pay raises but no Cost of living raise on Social Security and retired military pay.

We see the Democrats preventing Military overseas from voting because they fear you America!

November 2nd the People of the United States will speak at the polls

"Enjoy Labor day because after that it will be two months of hard work."

It is hard work, throwing childish temper tantrums and obstructing every tiny bit of forward motion.

spoken like a true liberal lemming in fear that your enabler party will soon be out of control. at least 400k were present.

Please explain to me why intelligent people, on both sides of the issues, cannot have an intelligent conversation about politics without resorting to name calling and bigoted statements. If you lean right, you are stupid sheep who follow the person with the shiniest mirrors. If you lean left, you are out of touch communists who are plotting the downfall of America. To quote the great philosopher, Charlie Brown, "Good Grief!"

Throwing childish insults is a logical fallacy called "ad hominem", and it is all too common in debates. It is often used to distract attention from a weak or non-existant counter-argument, in the hopes that people will agree with the insult and not notice that the insulter doesn't really have much of an argument.

A similar logical fallacy is the "strawman argument". Instead of arguing against your opponents actual proposal, instead you make up a fictional "opponent" and argue against that instead. A prime example was during the health care reform debate, the opponents were arguing loudly against the "death panels", when no such thing had ever been proposed, those "death panels" were just a big lie. But it is much easier to argue against a fictional "bill that will bump off granny" than to argue against the real health care bill that actually helps people get affordable health care, including grannies.

There are many logical fallacies, and they usually indicates that the debaters either don't understand why their arguments are fallacious, or are desperately trying to cover up their lack of a good argument.

For those of you who can't believe in a higher power or god,I want you to know;that's OK!But to reject the teachings of peaceful men(like Jesus or 'add your example')kinda makes it seem like you enjoy starting something more than solving something.Even if you are atheist,you can at least agree that the New Testament is filled with life lessons that can be used to make the world a better place to live for all of us.While I am no BIG fan of Beck(I'm not religious either),bashing a peaceful religion in the name of politics just makes a person seem aggressive.

There ar some real haters who are slandering whitee Christians. Do they even know what a Christian is? I doubt it. I never read anywhere that Christ organised hate groups to join the clan or kill people. how rediculous can you be and still breathe??????

So Christ authorized and sanctioned the death of doctors and the bombing of clinics? Armyofgod.com

Yea, we know what White Christians do, and only condemn AFTER the fact, while they do NOTHING to stop it...

Wait... that sounds EXACTLY like the white Christians logic behind not wanting a Mosque built at ground zero..

WOW--- How weird is that?!?!?!?!?!

Take a look at the photos. There are about 60,000 traitors there.

Thank you for your remarks. We can follow the footsteps of our new fearless leader and all become good socailists.. Thank god for huge expensive governments how would we feed our children without it!! YAY we can be just like Europe!!!

Hey buddy. Those "WHITE CHRISTIANS" are fully responsible for this great free nation you live in podna! Who else do you think has held up the tax base, the courageous soldiers, the morals that families need to keep producing quality citizens? That's the entire foundation of the USA you live in, but as you can see, its just about over and now its the illegal aliens, minorities, drop outs, American Hating Muslims and last but least, the Homo's!

That's the world you get to live in! Lets see how you like this new world. Youll be begging for those white Christian's in another decade, but on the other hand, there wont be an America once all the filth gets done with it! Obama was the beginning of the end!

well Ron it was not about votes,you can write so I assume you can read too.NOT ABOUT PLOITICS!!! If you would have taken 10 minutes to watch just a small portion of the rally you would have seen what is was about.

Can a Beck-fan . . . or any Conservative answer a question for me. Beck and Palin keep talking about going back to the founding fathers, but their actions are completely different.

The founding fathers wanted freedom of religion - Beck and Palin want only ONE religion in this country, Christianity. How is this even remotely close to what the founding fathers wanted? (BTW - I am a Christian and I do NOT support them)

The founding fathers wanted equal rights for all, we fought wars for equal rights - Beck and Palin do NOT want equal rights for gays or Muslims. Again, how can they say they want to go back to the founding fathers?

The founding fathers drafted Free Speech - Beck and Palin only want THEIR speech to be free, and prevent you from seeing and hearing what they deem to be inappropriate. Do they want free speech or not?

Why do their actions completely contradict what they say?

Hey Pat, when sharia becomes part of the american justice system and you break one of their "laws" remember to tell them that you were on their side all the time before the stones fly at your head.

"We're not going let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here today because we were witnesses," Bachmann said."

Maybe she should try to purchase a $100 dollar item with a $10 dollar bill as an exercise in mathematical equation solving. What power does she possess to prevent anyone from measuring actual event attendance, sans persons stuck in traffic, or persons already there because it is a significant historic site.

The date of course coinciding with a civil rights event in American history. The answer of course is none. Stated another way, the majority of American citizens chose not to attend, watch or consider this traveling circus event.

Patrick L -

Stop exaggerating. You know, just as well as I, that sharia law will never become part of America. It completely goes against human rights . . . you know, those rights that YOU and conservatives try to deny homosexuals. Ya, those rights. See, everyone is created equal in this country, and those rights will forever be upheld. So sharia law will never come to pass.

I understand that you are trying to use that extreme argument as a way to push your point, but all it does is discredit you. Stick to the facts and realistic possibilities . . . otherwise you just look foolish.

Ziphead - You piss & moan that all the folks at Beck's rally were lilly white, but don't mention that the news clips of Sharpton's rally were all dark brown....... How do you say racist in ebonics?

I'm loathing the fact that the community can now collapse a comment based on their political beliefs. Way to suppress the other side, and both sides are doing it.

Thankfully, this post is so far down that it should stay put.

Zaphod-1916664

I was wondering when a dunderhead would bring race into this conversation and it took until comment 1.50 to find a fool, and it was you Zaphod-1916664.

Black people make up about 12% or so of the American population, so the numbers that were stated for attendance at the rally would have been perhaps 34k out of 300k people. Is it any wonder why you didn't see a super large black presence?

Common sense is evidently not a common thing. This thread has been 1 mistaken rant after another by the move on dot org, huffing ones post, or some other leftist loon web page.

Here's a novel concept people, watch Beck, don't rely on some liar for your information, get the true story by actually learning your subject instead of reading the rants of the dregs of society who foist lies on a gullible population.

And judging by your comments, you're one of the nuts...:p

Well, considering that to Glen and his fans "Socialists" are the devil incarnate I figured it's only fair to give the "devil" his say. These excerpts are from the World Socialist Website. There is also a link at the end so that you can visit the site and read the entire article. But Becksters beware: If you click on the link you may be turned into a pillar of salt!

Glenn Beck in Washington: Preaching the gospel of Mammon and militarism

By Bill Van Auken
30 August 2010

The Washington rally organized by right-wing Fox News TV personality Glenn Beck on Saturday offered a twisted mix of religion, potted history and the glorification of the military under the banner of "restoring honor" to the USA.

Crowd estimates for the rally varied wildly. Beck and his supporters claimed over half a million. Most media outlets put the figure at "tens of thousands" or approximately 100,000. CBS News provided a more precise figure, relying on a company that performed analysis of aerial photographs to produce a figure of 87,000.

Whatever the real number, this amorphous event received immense promotion and coverage, not only by Beck's own employer, Rupert Murdoch's Fox News, but by every section of the media. This treatment stood in stark contrast to the media's virtual blackout of far larger demonstrations held in recent years against the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Beck, who has described himself as a "rodeo clown" and entertainer, while using his television and radio programs to promote right-wing conspiracy theories, reinvented himself for Saturday's appearance at the Lincoln Memorial. He came before the crowd as the nation's preacher-in-chief, promoting a gospel of Mammon, Americanism and militarism that reflects the very direct interests of the powerful financial figures who have turned the former drug addict into a multi-millionaire...

.....In the months leading up the event, Beck used his radio and television broadcasts to suggest that the American right was somehow the legitimate heir of the civil rights movement of the 1960s, insinuating that it had arisen to counter similar adversities and oppression. One might suspect from such cynical rhetoric that supporters of the "Tea Party" and Beck's viewers were being lynched, beaten, jailed and assassinated in various parts of the country.

The association of King with a rally glorifying militarism was perhaps the greatest obscenity. "What is it that America still believes in?" Beck asked in his opening remarks. "Our military."

A year before his assassination, King denounced the Vietnam war, accusing Washington, in terms that are fully applicable to the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, of fighting "on the side of the wealthy and the secure while we create hell for the poor."...

...In crafting his speech, Beck and his handlers appeared to be guided by the famous axiom of P.T. Barnum that "nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." It was a rambling invocation of God and country that included a full-length recitation of the Gettysburg Address, selective quotations from the Declaration of Independence, the invocation of every hackneyed cliché of Americana and liberal doses of both the New and Old Testaments....

....The fascist huckster Gerald L. K. Smith would have no doubt appreciated Beck's performance. "Religion and patriotism, keep going on that," he confided in the 1930s. "It's the only way you can get them really 'het up.'" But he put forward demands that included limits on the income of the rich and universal old-age pensions....

...Behind Beck's fuzzy rhetoric about individualism and patriotism there does lie a program which these wealthy, right-wing layers support. It includes the systematic dismantling of all forms of social spending that constitute a drain on profit, including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. It envisions the reduction of wages in the US to a level that would be competitive with those in China. And it seeks the even greater strengthening of the police-military powers of the government to suppress all opposition from the working class at home and to escalate militarist interventions abroad.

Beck and his backers wisely chose to keep this "plan" under wraps. They recognize that the self-described clown is hardly the man, and the amorphous and politically confused layers attracted to the Tea Party are not the movement to implement such a fascistic program.

They lack a mass base for such politics in the US today. The real danger arises from the political subordination of the working class to the Democratic Party and the ruling elite that it serves. Those so-called liberals and "lefts" who promote illusions in Obama bear responsibility for this subordination, which impedes the emergence of a genuine alternative to the policies pursued by both big business parties and allows demagogues on the right to exploit the crisis for their own purposes.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/aug2010/beck-a30.shtml

I was wondering when a dunderhead would bring race into this conversation and it took until comment 1.50 to find a fool, and it was you Zaphod-1916664.

WOW name calling! A true sign of massive Conservative intellect indeed! Does that make you the smartest 26 yr old in your 4th grade class or what!

Black people make up about 12% or so of the American population, so the numbers that were stated for attendance at the rally would have been perhaps 34k out of 300k people. Is it any wonder why you didn't see a super large black presence?

Would expect to see 10 to 12%! I don't know what shots YOU were looking at. FYI 20.4% of Americans are not white. I find it VERY interesting that YOU focused on BLACK. VERY revealing indeed..

Common sense is evidently not a common thing. This thread has been 1 mistaken rant after another by the move on dot org, huffing ones post, or some other leftist loon web page.

not a common thing at all. Even less common the more you breed with your relatives...

Here's a novel concept people, watch Beck, don't rely on some liar for your information

Here is some for YOU... Think for yourself... BECK lies... he is nothing but a self described entertainer, there to dance and prance for the ignorant masses. He has no interest in telling the truth, unless there is money in it, but we are talking politics here, so there is no money in the truth for Beck!

Next time you get all brave and think you are smart, try actually presenting a fact based challenge to what someone says. I know that would require you to think for yourself, so I doubt you can do it.

Porkbevr

Ziphead - You piss & moan that all the folks at Beck's rally were lilly white, but don't mention that the news clips of Sharpton's rally were all dark brown....... How do you say racist in ebonics?

/YAWN

Wait you didn't say that you hated pedophiles!

You pedophile...

OK 500 racist at sharptons... and how many racist at Becks? 300,000? 1,000,000 racists?

No sweat off my nut sack either way.. If your only defence of the Beck racism is to say "LOOK THEY ARE RACIST TOO" Then I'll say you are RIGHT, and thank you for admiting your own racism.

Hate crimes by white Christians huh eh. Do us all a favor and take your hate speach and ignorance back to the cess pool you came from.

Hate crimes by white Christians huh eh. Do us all a favor and take your hate speach and ignorance back to the cess pool you came from.

So why would you hate what you cannot dispute? I can support what I say with FACTS...

What is it, EXACTLY, that you bring to the table? You saying that christians do not commit hate crimes like killing doctors, or bombing clinics? Perhaps you believe that the KKK does not go to church?

What is it that you bring to the table? Besides ignorance...

Anyone who opposes Pelosi and Obama is OK in my book.

It was a slow response. So 9 days to react is quick? Not lifting the Jones Act. Not getting help from Norway, Holland, Saudi Arabia. Sending the Security of Home Land Security down here barking law suits will follow, but no solution to stop or clean it up.

I think everyone knows that Obama couldn't stop the leak, this is a given, but the way he responded, well that's pretty sad.

Paul, stop with the Jones Act controversy. It never came into play so it was a non-issue. Listen to FOX much?

Paul, the Jones Act is not in effect beyond 12 miles – the leak was 50 miles out. BP did not invite further skimmers in because there were already too many boats in the area. Also it was 3 weeks before oil was spotted inside the 12 mile mark.

The coast guard was on the seen within a few hours, not days. It was day 2 before anyone knew the blow-out preventer failed.

Dennis, that is beyond 12 miles it becomes international waters.

Ray,

That is the point I was making – No invitation needed from our government. In international waters it was up to BP to invite them and pay them - it had nothing to do with the Jones Act beyond the 12 mile mark.

arc,

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/energy-a-environment/104205-waive-the-jones-act-to-assist-the-oil-spill-cleanup-sen-kay-bailey-hutchinson?page=2

Paul, stop with the Jones Act controversy. It never came into play so it was a non-issue. Listen to FOX much?

The numbers were obviously in the hundreds of thousands but neither CBS nor the AP want to say so because they are partisans, not honest reporters of facts. Everyone knows this but the fellow travelers of these so called news organizations won't ever admit it openly.

Dennis,

You're right 12 miles out. So why did Obama turn down the help? Why did he wait. Is 9 days quick enough for you? I don't think so. Why not have thoses ships in our harbors waiting? Simple questions asked and no replies from the Government. I live down here, you're in Ohio, there's was so much Government BS about how it was going to be contained. It went down to the county level. The county here, Okaloosa (Destin), blew off the Government because they refused to help. You want a source?

Paul, what would have been different if by your calculations (and they are your calculations) the response had been at 5 days? Would it have been substantially different?

There were over 800 to 1000 vessels skimming oil in the end.

What is there now? Not much oil. Sure there is some under the ocean but not on top. It was capped in 100 days, rather than the 9 months for the Mexican well that is a good comparison for this leak.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/08/28/GA2010082800047.html?hpid=topnews

aerial photo of the event. Looks like a heck of a lot more than 78,000 to me.

Beck is a wanna-be. He gets off on people being brainwashed into thinking that what he says is true. Yes, there were a number of people at his rally....some came to see other nut-jobs and some wanted their 15 minutes of fame. If the number of people attending his little party is any indication of what the Tea Party offers - it ain't much.

Arguing over aerial views of the crowd is pretty much like arguing about how many ants are in an anthill, or about what you see in a work of impressionist modern art. There were a lot of people there. Nobody actually counted them, so all of the numbers are basically pure conjecture. Liberals will say tens of thousands, conservatives will insist that it was everybody in the United States east of the Mississippi.

Tyler I would like to know something... Do you sit in your room with a little ref uniform on and a whistle? Because for the life of me I can't figure out how you decide to delete posts because they offend you personally or if you work for the Obama administration. My post was ON subject, NO fowl language and I didn't call anyone out or names. I just expressed different ways that the crowd count could be done with Presidentual techiques, you know by crowd souls saved or created? Or the new lives touched scenario nothing bad and my post was collapsed. Just seems a bit odd.

So by most accounts, Beck got less than100,000 to gather at Washington DC at the Lincoln memorial to offer some platitudes about getting closer to God. What did he accomplish other than promote his limited idea of tolerance? I say he is promoting intolerance of everything that he is against. I'm happy to see very few showed up to bask in his intolerance

Less than one hundred thousand big deal. I would like to draw a comparision to an event I took part in on April 9th 2006. A planned immigration reform march that organizers in Dallas hoped would draw 40,000. It had no national news organization pumping it for months, no right wing radio talkers promoting it and no big money interests busing people in. It was led by true grass root organizers, city council people, community organizers and it surpassed everyones expectations. Estimates were that we drew 400,000 if not 500,000. (See attached photo to know what 400,00 people looks like)

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/pt/slideshows/2006/04/dallas_immigration_rally/

We didn't even have a half term quitter of a governor speaking there to try to make it a success. It was a success because we all felt a strong desire to make a change. To make our voices heard. We wore our white shirts and waved our american flags; citizen, resident and the undocumented. We were comprised of Latino, white, black asian. We were, WE THE PEOPLE.

The right called us criminals and gang bangers. They said it woudn't make a difference but that march and others held around the country helped crystallize OUR vote. In November of that year WE swept the GOP out of power and made a difference.

To return the favor for how they treated us, I will call those that went to see Beck and Palin, the intolerant, the fearful and the bigoted. They will not make a difference come election day.

Paul: "Why did he wait. Is 9 days quick enough for you?" Obama had a few golf games he needed to get in before he could think about the spill. After all, he has his priorities! And he didn't know what to do. His inexperience, coupled with that of the Czars he surrounds himself with, didn't have a clue - still don't!

my previous comment to Pat:

Is anyone going to speak about the hate crimes being committed over the "mosques"? Is anyone going to report on who exactly is committing these crimes? My money is on white Christians. The American born terrorists that nobody wants to talk about.

"This right here shows just how ignorant a lot of poeple are, for someone to say such a contradictory comment and people love him for it. So in your so thought out comment is it just the fat rich "white" christians that are terrorists, or literally ALL white christians? No other race right? Are you sure it's the "white christians" painting steriotypes on poeple, then persicuting them?

Sorry, I know a lot of you won't understand this..."

Jomama, thanks. You just proved my point.

It was a slow response. So 9 days to react is quick? Not lifting the Jones Act. Not getting help from Norway, Holland

No it was not and BP was the one who refused the help said they did not need it and in the end all the miracle fixes dissapeared when they were tried . Try reading a bit instead of posting right wing blog Bs

So they have yet another chance not to lie about things, but they choose to lie about things...

New schtick same as the old schtick...you people still buyin' it?

Let's OK the idea of a million so that they feel pretty secure and can stay home on Nov 2.

My sister-in Law went to this thing. We don't see eye to eye of the Tea Party at all, but she definately fits into the older/white/fear & hate stereotype. As long as we don't talk politics, we get along great. I vote just to cancel her vote out every election.

she definately fits into the older/white/fear & hate stereotype

Fear & hate is all I hear from the left these days. It's the politicians that have turned us against each other and BOTH sides lie out of both sides of their face. It's a simple minded tactic to divert attention away from the only thing we should be paying attention to. Are they paying attention to their constituents and representing them with their votes? That's the real question anyone should have.

A guy flies a plane into the IRS building - instant reports that it must have been a "tea bagger".
A story about a church group - instant hate speech about how they're probably inbred, stupid, and own guns for the sole purpose of murdering people in the name of religion (which is totally against the 10 commandments).
A story about a right wing group who doesn't see eye to eye with Obama's plan of completely revamping the nations direction while he has full majority - instant race card plays labeling an entire group as racists.
A story about how some disagree with the location of the new Mosque - instantly putting words in their mouths about how they hate Muslims (when they openly state they are not against the Muslim faith - just extremists who MURDERED innocents).

Allen - A little paranoid I see. LOl!!!

I'll agree to a point with your comment, but in my sister-in-law's case there's an exception. She does openly states her hatetred toward blacks, muslims, jews, etc... (anyone that she feels not her equal).

She calls herself a Tea Partier, so in this instance I stand by my original statement.

She collects Social Security, is on Medicare and has never made over $250,000 dollars a year in her life.

To me that is hypocitical of what she states openly and against the same Tea Party beliefs being broadcast by all of the self proclaimed Tea Party candidates.

Open mids and common sense should prevail at some point.

Hate from the left !!??

Do you read the posts on this site? Talk about hate filled.

If you want people to take the tea party seriously stop putting out pamplets with Obama dressed as Hitler. They were at the rally your know (as reported by NPR).

Or how about this one...

muslim extremist blows himself up in town square, no questions - y'all think it's President Obama's cousin....

mmmmm, muslims covered with hate sauce, mmmmm!

Seriously Alan - please buy a mirror. Because in the reflection you would plainly see the our entire problem staring back at you...

I trust your paranoia will subside when the red guy gets back in there? Right on cue? Hope so, wish you would have realized it sooner cuz life really isn't as bad as they are making you believe...

Divide and conquer. This is how politicians get elected. The Dem and the Rep politicians are not all that different, so the only way to get votes is to stick in a divide, create an issue. We all want the same things, work, decent living accomodations, more wealth and to feel safe. If you don't create a controversy, people won't be upset, if they are not upset, they won't vote. All of these "liberal" and "conservative" pundits and pseudo-news media personalities are nothing more than carnival acts, snake oil salespeople. They are not leading anyone to the promised land, they are lining their own pockets with your fears and frustrations.

We will never have another great leader in this @!$%#ry until we start supporting our leaders. You can't have a successful operation when half the people involved are always unhappy and trying to upset the balance. Americans need to start to try to find common ground instead of always focusing on our differences.

Vote

And Republicans have traditionally been fewer in number each election, but with a far higher turnout. They are not lazy and more then not have jobs!

I would like to know why its okay to compare Bush with Hitler, call him all kinds despicable names, make movies about his assination etc, but do no one can dare question or criticize Obama. Its ridiculous that those of us who disagree with Obama are white, stupid, fat racists. Why is there that double standard? Wrong as it may be, people are using these horrible descriptions about Obama because the left used them first about Bush. Everyone sounds like two year olds

P.S. Couldn't a computer analyze it or something? :o)

They don't really want to know,...if it is a known quantity - they'd have to do the plus or minus thing - those who showed up to watch the train wreck. I find it remarkably sparse given the size of the reflecting pools. You can hide a lot of numbers in the trees and shadows and say it was a lot more, too. There is NO WAY that was 500K people. But I bet it was about 100K. How many 10's in a 100? tee hee. I love gifts.

Who cares how many attended? There are hundreds of horese's asses running around wild out West, but I certainly don't want to, or need to, know how many!

500 thousand were at Woodstock on a 600 acre farm. Free ways were shut down and they had to helicopter groups, supplies and medical in and out.

They can. And pretty much every person who calculated the crowd size by that method (looking at actual aerial photos of the event and counting from there) has pegged it at around 80-90k. You'll have to ask the people talking about 300k+ what voodoo they're working to get those numbers, but given the fact that Palin and Beck are at the top of the list I don't think you have to look any farther than "we're making it up and you're not a real American if you doubt us."

And to "Name Display" the Park Service hasn't estimated anything. One unnamed, unverified, and probably nonexistent "park service employee" is anonymously quoted. That's hardly an official estimate.

It is interesting that some of the left-leaning comments today insist on insulting people that they don't know, using bigoted thought and speech, while complaining that these folks whom they don't know all fit a certain group that is easy to judge, ridicule and hate. This is the face of bigotry folks - and it's brought to you by the intolerant left.

Saturday's event was peaceful, respectful, non-political, and yet the lunatic left still rant and rave and hate. I guess winning wasn't enough, huh?

I'd say it was about the same size crowd that goes to a football game. Big whoop......

There were about 308 million+ americans that didn't go, a much more impressive number.

I don't believe this, with everything going on in the country and the top "news story" on FOX is how big a crowed was at a Beck rally???? What a waste of time and how much did this cost the tax payers so Beck could play "rock star" for the day???

The independent estimate was 87,000 so that's how many I will believe was there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfq5kju627c

Here is the video of the count being done.

Al - I can believe that is the official way they counted it. Makes perfect sense!

Nothing, not even the vast crowd at the National Mall last Saturday, is going to sober up First Read regulars, Carrie.

They remain hopelessly inebriated...mentally impaired as the result of an Obama-induced stupor.

It's possible that the results of the November midterms could bring them out of it.

One can only hope...

I smell a lot of fear on this site.

Who really cares what the numbers were, because, the election in in November and those numbers stand!

Paul - lunatic left? And, what were you saying about name calling????

do any of you research anything on your own...or just follow around the palin and beck..who are only out for themselves..why is it they wont tell people that the federal reserve is not federal..it is private owned ..by the rothschild and such....zionist at that...do you think that is why they are getting the sheep to do their work for them..have beck to dig into that...you will see how fast he can run the other way..go to youtube and look up the fed. and rothschild...then go from there....i say this because i really do care....they just want to side tract you away from the real evil....please dont beleive me....look it up for yourself...do you find it funny that the zionist are pushing us to get iran next...if it were caring peole here then wouldnt they want to take care of our problems at home first....wake up please...this country depends on you waking up...thank you.....

They can an expert di and said the crowd was less than 100,000 Right wingers cannot believe it but its true. 1% of the population of America would be 3 million. Daily viewers of Faux is 2 million This was liberally speaking a bust.

Why is it so important to you people how many showed up?? If you didn't want to hear what Beck said then don't pay attention. It's called free will.

Were any of you there? I spoke to someone who was there and he is African American. He said there was over 300,000. He said it was incredible. He also said that people from the Sharpton rally (at a football field) came to Becks and thought it was great. The liberal media will never give this rally any truth. But what else is new. And who cares.

Amazing to read the hateful comments about a rally which was peaceful and attracted so many Americans.

Anyone who has lived in or been to DC should have a sense of the magnitude of the crowd, given the space/distance of the mall area. Have visited and lived in DC, I can assure you, it was a HUGE crowd. But more importantly, it was a peaceful crowd - Americans coming together with common cause.

How can anyone hate that? Those who DO need to take a look in the mirror and ask themselves if they really believe in liberty and justice "for ALL..."

How sad that a bunch of lying politicians can so successfully divide the citizens of this country. There are no gods among those who have brought about this division. And there is no wisdom in following them...

Hahaha. Lucy are you seriously trying to suggest that people who were actually there are somehow the only ones who know? Tell me did your friend ask the entire rally to line up for counting?

Quite frankly people on the ground are the ones with the perspective least qualified to make an estimate to the size of a crowd. Try again.

Stephen-1004672

Typical, but I expected nothing less from a lib. You know what, I could care less and my friend who went to the rally could care less what any of you think. I wish I could have been there with him. He said it was the most amazing experience he has had; and, niether You nor any other LIB will be able to take that away from him. So just keep amusing yourselves with your comments and thoughts, and stop trying to rob someone else of their hopes and opinion. Guess you were at Sharpton's??

At least you're smart enough not to dispute the fact that being on the ground means precisely nothing in terms of having an accurate perspective on the size of a crowd.

I'm sorry you find the realities of physics to be so oppressive to your very political existence. You may as well accuse gravity of, what was it "robbing your hopes and opinion."

Good lord.

Did Beck show off his new replacement for the Military Order of the Purple Heart?

how dare you challenge Beck with a scientific argument.. he gets his estimates from God himself

Uhhhhh,,,,,,,My body will not fit in a 16x16 area, LOL

Okay, so how many were white?

I would love to see a pic of the Rally as compared to a typical day in the same area, I really do not think there would be much difference other than maybe more people stopping to watch the clown on stage moan about an obscure loss of rights even he cannot name.

Maybe at 7:00AM Saturday Morning...

Maybe at 7:00AM Saturday Morning...

Bo:

You are correct. In fact, the truth is that there was no rally. No one went to see Glenn Beck this weekend. In fact, Glenn Beck is not very popular. There is no tea party movement. The tea party movement is racist. Obama is very popular. Rush Limbaugh is the most hated man in America. Rush Limbaugh is racist, as is Glenn Beck. Democrats are on track to easily win the mid-term elections, unless Republicans cheat. Republicans are racist. Global warming is the most important issue facing America today. Katie Couric is a skilled journalist. The best way to restore America's economic vitality is to raise taxes. Democrats will only raise taxes on the rich. The recession is George Bush's fault. David Axelrod is a brilliant political strategist. The "Bush tax cuts" were bad for the economy. Americans support the health care bill that passed congress this summer. Michelle Obama is a very attractive woman, and a stylish dresser, just like Hillary was when she was first lady. Laura Bush is not attractive, and she seems a little slow. The news media is fair, except for Fox, which is racist.

Bo, every day liberals demonstrate what Ronald Reagan used to say: "liberals aren't bad people, they just know so many things that aren't true."

jomama - noone mentioned that Brian Williams of NBC (and this is an NBC website) estimated the crowd at 300,000 .

Here's some more math for you. The Rose Bowl seats 92,000+. The seating area of the Rose Bowl is 400,000 sq. ft. Using your 1,000,000 sf estimate that would be a crowd of over 225,000.

You know it really doesn't matter how many nut job, Beck followers there were at the Mall. The fact is it's a fraction of the population of the United States and a fraction of the people that vote. Who really cares if Beck had a religious sermon and invited his flock. The televangelists get more in attendance every Sunday than Beck could muster with all of his advertising for this event for the last 10 months. I think this whole event was more of a Christian revival and a showing of so called "Christian Power" to scare the others that are not Christians than anything else.

Excellent analysis. The question then becomes: Does NBC have no one on staff that can do something similar?

Or, do today's "journalists" rely solely on what someone else tells them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfq5kju627c

Here's how they did the estimate for coming up with their numbers.

yomamma - nice job. I remember taking part in a couple of anti-war demonstrations during the late 60's early 70's. It was exciting and fun but on the mall instead of the Lincoln Memorial. There was a lot of controversy over the size of those crowds too. As usual they were larger than what opponents think and smaller than the wishful thinking of the organizers. Beck should be pleased with himself with a number around 100k, which I'm sure won't be anything out of the ordinary, that is being pleased with himself.

yomamma..please stop with the scientific and mathematical explanations. They have no voice either here or at the rally. I watched some of the rally and it was quite good but sounded better in its original German

Ha! I think a lot of people missed the meaning of this comment. So true!

Wow, it's that important to you to do all that work to figure out whose claim is reasonable and whose claim is unreasonable. I'll just accept that there were alot of people there. You might want to do the same.

Solution: Travel alone, and fly - "UNITED"!

The people they used are professionals at what they do they measure from the air an do about the same you did and I believe the 90k just from looking at the crowd.

As a comparison here is a picture of the crowd for MLK's original speech. http://www.shallownation.com/2009/01/19/martin-luther-king-jr-i-have-a-dream-speech-video-text-photos/

Thats what over a million people look like.

TruePatriot-445959

Your question

Okay, so how many were white?

What difference does that make. We are all human. Anyone was welcome. If they wanted to see what it was about anyone was welcome.

Why does anyone care about how many attended the rally? The progressives will continue to pound legislation through congress that they neither write nor read. Republican career politicians will continue to try and high jack the tea party movment to gain some political points but in reality they are still part of the problem. The administration and far left spectators will dismiss all of this as nothing more than a small minority of bigots. And November will hit like a punch from Mike Tyson.

HEY, JoMama...

You left out Bachmans 1.6 million estimate!

Ooo, ooo, ooo, I know, I know!

Pat from Boston's parents...that's who did it!

I'll answer you Juven. My mother and father created me by having sex.

Da Noid - Hilarious!!!

Beck knowingly and willingly converted to a religion as an adult that says that American Indians are descended from a lost tribe of Israel and then fought with chariots and steel swords before Europeans ever came to the Americas. No American Indian tribe had domesticated a horse or even invented the wheel before Europeans came to the New World, let alone forged metal or built a chariot.

How can anyone who can suspend reason and logic that much to believe in that kind of mind-numbingly obvious falsity bend the ear of any American in 2010 let alone even a low estimate of 70k the other day?!?! Everyone of those people at that rally needs to ask himself..."Hmm...did I really travel here to listen to a man who believes in a religion founded by a con artist who claims he got golden plates from an angel?"

Its easy to understand someone born into Mormonism growing up to believe in that tripe, but a grown man who claims to be so smart converting to that stuff is not understandable. And tons of Americans listen to him! Doesn't that scare anyone else?

Yup Starlane - and my dogs created puppies - just goes to show we are all animals

I agree with Pat from Boston; well said.

Pat, Beck said yesterday that he was wrong about Obama hating white people. His latest is that Obama makes the mistake of following "liberation theology". I guess Glenn has read a book on liberation theology and it will now become his latest target of "logic" twisted beyond any reconignition to support whatever he wants. Watch the blackboard!

It's a good thing Jesus was a liberal, or we would all be screwed.

Juven who created Hitler, tell me if you can. Better yet tell me who created god, why are there so many gods who created all these gods.

I won't shove religion in your face Pat BUT do you mind others believing in Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior? B'c I have MANY in my family who disagree with me spiritually & politically - (I don't have the right or freedom to believe in God AND they disrespect me so much they remove me from their lives - ie: Facebook & email, etc.)

The problem with some liberals is b'c the Christian right is exercising it's voice - seems like the liberals don't want us to even speak what we believe either politically or spiritually.

The problem is that it's unfortunate that those who believe in 'tolerance' are so INTOLERANT ...

This is to wje37fesm......while you were protesting the war, my husband was fighting in it. If I could face you personally, I would spit on you. You want freedom, but were to afraid to do anything about it.

Petunia- So basically you have no idea why your husband is fighting the war, is that what you are saying?

Something about defending our way of life, freedom, etc.?

My mother and my father "created" me using a biological process that is millions of years old. When trying to 'comprehend' time on that scale, you see just how small we really are in the scope of the universe.

Human civilization is around ten thousand years old. Homo Sapiens have walked the Earth for far longer. Dinosaurs walked the earth tens of millions of years before that. Humans are part of the animal kingdom, hence the close dna structure to our closest relative, the ape. If a god created us in his image, then why mock us by also creating an animal that so closely resembles us. A head, two eyes, two ears, a nose, lungs, stomach, legs, arms, ten digit hands with opposable thumbs, a brain larger than any other in the wild...how can you deny a shared genetic history.

"Where did we come from? Why am I here? What do it all mean?"

I don't know. I don't "pretend" to know or fool myself into thinking that a species that as been around for a fraction of the time of the age of the universe could fathom it's deepest secrets and underlying principles. We're here. We live and die, just like everything else. What matters to me is what we do with our time, namely treating each other with respect and fairness; principles of our democratic society as set forth in the Constitution.

Beck would have you believe that he is some religious soothsayer just gathering the faithful. "we're here to reclaim the civil rights movement". right...like Conservatives did such a great job with that in the past. By the very definition, conservative means "a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas", which is why it took the federal GOVERNMENT to interceed and push civil rights for African Americans. If left to their own devices, local and state governments would have continued to enforce segregation, which most intelligent people today regard as abhorent.

Beck and others like him are playing games with people's emotions and fear in tough economic times in order to advance their political and ideological agendas, which in my personal opinion is the exact antithesis of America. Nice job, Glenn!

Sarah can only count to 3, so 10's of thousands can be no more that 30K.

Duh! 10's of thousands is a far cry from hundreds of thousands. 500,000 attended the rally. You're right Palin is real stupid for not understanding that 10's of thousands will eventually add up to 500,000. You sound real smart. You sure know how to point out those dummies on the right. Maybe you should run for office. You certainly know how to count.

And for my faves out there, don't look the Gift horse in the mouth! STS!

I hear you Clara!

It does beg the question... WHO let the trolls out!

All this fuss about 'size' is fascinating... guess it does matter to the folks that are lacking in other areas... like independent thinking!

I cannot believe how evil some of you libs sound. How ungrateful as well. You have no respect, no morals and no beliefs. No wonder you are so bitter. What a shame. No respect for life or the creator of life. If you think man is going to solve all the world problems you are wrong. I can't wait for GOD to return, don't worry you won't have to worry about someone ramming Him in your face or down your throat. He won't bother you.

And go ahead with your harsh comments, I couldn't care less. I won't be reading them anyway. You are Lost Souls, and Satan loves it. Jesus will help you if you ask Him to.

Lucy1,

If you pray for Jesus to help me and I pray to G-d to help you,...who do you think will get help first? Don't worry about my soul, I am not worried about it. Clean up your own house and stay out of my business. Thanks!

PS. Love how you point out the splinter in OUR eyes; but for the LOG in your own.

Lucy1
And go ahead with your harsh comments, I couldn't care less. I won't be reading them anyway. You are Lost Souls, and Satan loves it. Jesus will help you if you ask Him to.

I cannot believe how evil some of you libs sound. How ungrateful as well. You have no respect, no morals and no beliefs. No wonder you are so bitter. What a shame. No respect for life or the creator of life. If you think man is going to solve all the world problems you are wrong. I can't wait for GOD to return, don't worry you won't have to worry about someone ramming Him in your face or down your throat. He won't bother you.

Lucy,

I have had many run-ins with religious people over my lifetime. Some are quietly pious and worship as they see fit. Others, the majority in my experience, tell you how terrible of a person you are if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. You're going to Hell! Sinner!

Well, if that is their belief, fine. But DON'T shout me down and try to impose your beliefs on me. DON'T try to scare me or my family into following your dogma. Don't stand in the shadow of a truely great man and usurp his accomplishments with your whinning about how imperailed America is because of it's lack of faith.

There are a great many people in this country that are honest, hard working, proud Americans who are dependable and respectfull and have strong principles. And a great many of those people are more Liberal in their politics and keep their religious belief private. Our Founding Fathers saw the merits of keeping religion and politics seperated. I know that Conservatives hate this, but it's true.

America doesn't need to be rescued by Glenn Beck or the Tea Party. The Tea Party is a misnomer anyway. What are you protesting against? Taxes? The original Tea Party (the REAL one) was protesting 'taxation without representation'. Today, you HAVE representation. I'm sorry you don't like it, but the will of the people was spoken during the last election. Deal with it until you get a chance to vote again.

2nd Ammendment rights? No one in the government....NO ONE...is coming to take your guns away. Don't be paranoid. Anyway, do you think that Jesus would be for guns? Pick a side and stick with it.

A name that sounds different or an unconventional background? What's in a name? Only what the person who was born with it creates for it. You may not realize it, but people all over the world have name like Barrack, or Mao, or Fidel, or even Adolf, and I'm sure that some of them are decent human beings. Some of them might even be Christians. As for Obama's background, he had a multicultural, multi-ethnic origin, but that doesn't make him a Muslim. His grandparents helped to raise him and they were white, mid-western, AMERICANS. Even if he was born outside the US (which he WASN'T), his mother's an American citizen...which makes him an American citizen.

I'm so thrilled to hear about your bowel movements. Iv'e been sitting here thinking if I have ever heard a more intelligent or classy statement than yours and I must admit I haven't. You know what they say, " if you can't impress them with your intelligence, dazzle them with your bowel movements. Now if only someone could help you with your problem of diarrhea of the mouth.

Independent - there is nothing honorable about Glenn Beck. His lies and hysteria are strictly to bring him more money. And, his little worshipers just keep funneling more money his way. There is a special place in hell for people like him.

W. Goin. Yep agree with you most wholeheartedly. Have posted that exact sentiment on numerous occasions. Most of the reaction I've got is well he's an entertainer. Well he's not running for office. You get the drift. He has now stood up in front of one of the national monuments that I helped pay for and tried to tell me he is the next Geo. Washington. That makes him fair game for me to hold him to it. And I'm going to do it everyday I can for the next little bit. Just to remind him and his minions that if you want to be viewed as honorable you've got to live it you just can't say it and walk away and forget it next week

Only thing Beck did was prove that the hes an entertainer lie was just that.

Maybe you should have come out to the rally and experienced the lack of ignorance for yourself.

If you are a senior, you should be very afraid of this mob of fools. They'd like nothing better than to dismantle social security and medicare. Regarding the level of intelligence of the attendees, I'm just saying anyone who believes a clown like Beck will improve their life is delusional.

R Bell - That's exactly correct. If you looked at that crowd yesterday there were a fair number of senior citizens. They have been duped because the Becks, Palins, Angles, Pauls, O'Connells, and Boehners of the world want to dismantled Social Security and Medicare forever. In fact they're chomping at the bit to get back in power to do that very thing. They didn't have success with GWB when he tried to do it but if a number of these whack jobs that are running for seats gets in, they will do it in a heart beat. That will be the death knell of the American Middle Class.

Apparently you believe in the Dems! How is that working for you? Did you find work yet or are you happy to stay on unemployment and/or welfare!

Liberals think that anyone who believes like they do is a genius and anyone who dares to disagree is a fool! We each have the RIGHT to our own beliefs. I feel sorry for those who cannot debate intelligently.

I believe in the Democrats much more than I do the Republicans. And, I work and have been ever since I graduated from college. Everyone I know who is a Dem is working and working hard. Just another GOP myth dispelled!

No, liberals DO NOT believe that anyone who believes like they do is a genius and anyone who dares to disagree is a fool. But we do believe that if you have been shown the facts and do not change your mind you are a fool. There are plenty of problems and several ways to solve them. But "taking our country back" is not a solution to making sure everyone has a job. There are plenty of democrats with jobs. As a matter of fact I bet you many of the same republicans who wanted to get rid of social services at the beginning of this economic downturn are using those very social services right now to survive. And guess who works in those social service jobs? Liberals.

I like to use logic when I make political decisions and when I use that logic I want human nature to be taken into account. Conservative ideas too often do not include one of those two things. Libertarian ideas almost never include taking into account human nature and need. Thus, I have nothing against right wing ideas, but I will write them off until they give me reasoning I can't challenge or can't come up with a better idea for.

I love the uber intelligent left. If you can't back up your critique with facts, just attack your opponents with personal insults. Thank heavens we have the left to tell us what is good for us, how we should be thinking, what is logical and what is not, and please don't even listen to a contrary opinion, because that would be counter productive and not in the spirit of "we know everything and you know nothing" Thank you! Thank you!

Tully-1894636--

Anybody who thinks that the damage done to this country, starting all the way back with that feeble-minded nitwit Reagan, could be undone by one person versus the Party of No is so far down the rabbit hole there's no point tin having an informed debate with them.

And you're right, you can believe whatever you like. But it's what you can proove that I'm interested in hearing about.

Well, I can "PROVE" that you don't know how to spell or use spelling check, but hey, why shouldn't we be impressed with someone who is so good at copying talking points from the likes of Media Matters.

Coca Silver - "If you can't back up your critique with facts, just attack your opponents with personal insults."

That sentence defines both left and right when it comes to political pundits on TV and radio. You can't possibly argue that that is specific to the left or more commonly done on the left. It's equally offensive to call someone names as it is to lie in your arguments.

Tully well said. When did this right of entitlement come to be so widespread? I was brought up to work for what I wanted, not wait for handouts because they were not going to come. All of the sudden you don't have to work, just cry like a baby. The bleeding hearts have taken over the country. What is wrong with striving to better yourself, or your situation. It is not the responsibility of the government to take care of you! It is your own responsibility, period. Why must I give my hard earned tax dollars away to the lazy, illegal, and just plain criminals? I am 100% in favor for helping the handicapped and elderly, but not the lazy. Being an American used to mean something. It meant that you were part of a country that put IT in front of ME. Not anymore. Now it's all about me, me, me. There is no way we can flourish as a country when there is no incentive to better ourselves. Example: I was born in Hartford, CT in 1969. Not the best place to raise a family, but at the time not bad. My parents wanted the best for us so my father worked his a$$ off, nights, weekends, whatever it took to move us to the suburbs to get a better education. That was a lesson, don't wait for handouts and better yourself. Not anymore. Now all you have to do is sit on your lazy, fat a$$es and have the gov't give you everything. What life lessons are learned through laziness? I'm in construction and with the economic downturn, caused by the greedy bankers, I have been hit hard. I could have easily gone bankrupt and burned off over 100,000 in debt. But my pride keeps me from that. Yes the bankers who caused this mess would be the ones I burn, but I just can't do it. It's my mess and I will clean it up. I created the debt, not by carelessly overspending, but just trying to keep bills paid until the economy turns around. But I see that is not going to happen anytime soon. Saint Obama dropped the ball, and can no longer find it to pick it up. He gave 100's of Billions of dollars to the criminals who did this to us. At 0% no less, while the banks were nice enough to lend it back to us at 30%, Thanks. And with no new loans being issued to small businesses, there is no way the economy will get jump started anytime soon. He bailed out the banks and not the people. I curse him, he did not do his job. And he wants to let 15 million criminals become US citizens. Thanks for upholding the Constitution. If he wanted to get this country started again, all he would have to do is fix the immigration problem, then the economy would fall back into place. I'm sorry, I don't care where you are from, if you are here illegally you are a criminal. If someone broke into your house, he would be arrested wouldn't he? Whats the difference, none. It's trespassing and breaking and entering, period. Did I mention I am Independent. I hate both parties, they serve only themselves and not the people. But Obama needs the illegal vote, thats what got him elected in the first place. Get tough on the employers of illegals, no fines, just jail. Big business runs this country, not politicians. Religion has no place in politics, but yet you want to let them build their mosque on hallowed ground, BUII@!$%#! Islam is not just a religion, it is a political ideaology. Every Islamic state is run by religion, DUH! Pray in your own way, I don't care, just don't do it to make a political statement. I don't listen to Beck and can't stand Palin, they seem very self serving and I have no use for people like that. Country first, everything else after. Without that theory, this country would be British!

Hey Rob Bell - there are MANY different opinions out there and that you can't imagine anyone having a different belief than you is self-centered, small minded and AMAZING!

I heard they gave away free Starbucks coffee.

Palin wears panties??? Wow, Half of the Tea Parties fantasies were just shattered

Conservatives have such a simplistic "good versus evil" world view that they struggle to understand greater implications. Aside from how many minorities were at the protest and whether something truly meaningful like civil rights was discussed, the deeper concern is preservation of democracy.

Republicans want a fascist (pro-military corporatist system) one-party state, many want a theocracy. And to that end they embrace state "news." Without a free press to play the role of watch dog, and a factual press to educate voters, democracy is at risk.

I don’t recall things being this bad in previous decades, you know in the days of Tip O’Neill and William F. Buckley—when members of congress had a beer together and conservatives used the Rule of Reason. The FOX News channel was launched in 1996. That was the end of factual reporting and the beginning of polarization.

So when we say FOX Political Organization and Hate Radio are the greatest threat to the country, it’s not an exaggeration. Beck and Palin who were leaders of the rally are the most divisive and anti-intellectual of them all.

This is why some people are a little concerned, get it?

Juven - the intelligent people know exactly who Obama is and where he came from. How really telling that you can't use an intelligent argument against Obama but have to resort to name calling. And, now you've determined he came from hell. Very bright of you. Did you also have problems with Bush when he attacked an innocent country? Probably not because you just didn't give a damn. You are a pitiable person. And, your parents must be sooooo proud!

Who would vote for Beck, is he running for dogcatcher?

Because if the Republicans get subpoena power, it will be a never ending smorgasbord of witch hunts, which will be great for ratings.

Sad but true. Republi-baggers are more dangerous than a nuclear bomb.

John Nettles

I do not care if it was one or one hundred million,why would the media cover such garbage?.

News is news. The media doesn't care about you. They cover all of BO's vacations,, now that's garbage!

What cracks me up is how little coverage Sharptons football field rally got.

And we will again, And again, And again:)

You are dreamin!

Hey Bo,

Check out this website. http://www.nbra.info/

LOL-- the Liberals as usual are misfocused on the crowd size :-)

Who cares how many were there besides Liberals ?

Michele Bachmann seems to care...

“We're not going let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here today because we were witnesses," Bachmann said.

...and, uh, last I checked she's not a Liberal.

Obviously the Tea Party cares how many were there and as usual they are willing to lie about it

Tea Party darling Rep. Michele Bachmann challenged anyone who calculated Beck’s audience at anything less than seven digits.

Tea Party darling Rep. Michele Bachmann challenged anyone who calculated Beck’s audience at anything less than seven digits.

Maybe because their voting base can't count past 7?

Puleeze, Beck has an automatic Mormon following -- 5.5 million members in the U.S. If we count how many people go to see the Pope, what's the difference? The difference is the Pope stays out of politics--you know, Separation of Church and state, and the Pope is the legitimate head of his church. Beck is a false prophet. Palin is into Witch Doctors. How can their worshipers be so blind?

The Beck event was unifying...

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Strangely enough, I've seen no evidence of its unifying effects to this point. Does this mean that the Republicans in the senate will attempt to start to write policy and have it enacted again? Does it mean that the right wing will start to treat the other half of the nation as though that other half is human again? Does it mean that we will start to agree on anything?

Judging from today's posts from the right side of the stage today, I would wager that the answer to all of those questions is a resounding 'no.'

Bo, I'm curious as to why you lib's are so fired up about the number of people that attended. I'm not a Beck fan and I don't care if it was 50 or 5 million, but between you libs and the major networks, it's almost like a personal affront to you whenever large crowds gather that don't share you're points of view. The same skewed crowd assessments and anger resulted during the Town Hall meetings. Everyone that attended was dubbed a racist and crowds of several thousand were only a "few hundred people". It would be interesting to see what the major network media would report if Democrat's could raise that much enthusiasm...but we both know that will never happen.

It might have something to do with right wing fools claiming they are the only "Americans" It might be that they sit and think up ridiculas lies that any 5 yo could see through and pass them off as the truth to the most gullible of our society, It might be that Republic/Republican is synonomous with Communist nations, It might be because 30% or our population is claiming to be the "majority" In the end, It is just plain funny to watch what the right wing morons will come up with next

Um. Not to burst your bubble or anything, but during the campaign season, both of our top candidates exceeded those types of numbers on almost a daily basis. And your events are listed as having a 'few hundred' participants because by and large, they only have a few hundred participants. In fact, a video in which a FOX reporter was caught beforehand discussing exactly what number to inflate the crowd in one of the tea party events to was circulated around the net last year.

Beck had a decent rally. He primed up the base yet again, though I doubt that it really needed much more priming since all signs point to a change in at least the house in November anyway. But let's not paint it as anything more than what it was. If it was really anything special, you guys would have come on these boards today ready to reach out to us and try to unify America. But you came on with the same gloating, smarmy, hostile rhetoric you always use which typically threatens what will happen in November and accuses us all of being Socialists and 'Libs.'

Once you get past that, then maybe I'll have a bit of respect for one of your 'leaders.' But since it's always the same, then it's always nothing more than a political rally.

Bo-1925019

It might be that the left has told you all of these false talking points and you believed it without even listening. Is this your response to Beck having a large following? Just start spreading hateful talking points to discredit rather than address what he actually said?

It might be because 30% or our population is claiming to be the "majority" In the end

Support for Democrats or Republicans to have control of Congress is in the teens for both parties. I'd love to see your source for the 30% number. Last I checked, Obama had only about 10 pts over that in support. The Glen Beck rally represents many of those who don't fit in that 12-45% "majority" you're claiming. What you should be asking yourself is why is your media source so against a group of people who want true change back to the gov't representing the people and not just one party? Why are they making such hateful blanket statements about everyone who doesn't agree with them? Could it be because they don't have hard data to back up their claims and have to resort to name calling?

Allen, Beck's following is not really so vast. It is a limited number of people who drag signs distorting Obama's looks, yell that he is a liar, ask about his birth certificate, scream he's a Muslim, and other idiotcy. So, they make the news. But, when you compare them to the population of the country, they are very small in numbers. And you shouldn't discuss name calling since you support the Tea Party. Never has a group stooped to such name calling before.

Use of a word like IDIOCY in a post would require that you spell it right.

Should have read the small print. It all went to beck...

Bo, the cause was "Special Operations Warrior Foundation". Something you and dancnman would know nothing about.

I'm a Viet-Nam vet, how about you? I actually fought for the nuts, where was cheney? the shrub?

I'm a USAF vet of 2 foreign wars, What is Beck a vet of? Bush was a deserter, McCain was forced into combat duty or accept a dishonorable, Palin is a vet of,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The soccer Mom club

Dancnman & Bo, Maybe if you look at my name (sfcret) you would know if stands for Sergeant First Class, Retired. I am retired from the Army (1960 - 1980) and did 2 tours in Vietnam. As far as others I really don't care if they are vets or not. If you know anything then you should be happy that Beck raised 5 million dollars for Special Operations Warrior Foundation, but then I guess your only concern is to vilify those you don't agree with. As veterans you are both disgusting.

sfcret - Beck did not raise $5 million to honor our military. He is paying expenses first - including his fee as well as Sarah Palin's. The actual amount donated to the military families will - at best - be in the low 6 figures.

I am sure he has some expenses. But I believe he is not receiving a fee and neither is Palin nor any of the other speakers. If you have a source to confirm he and Palin took appearance fees, please reveal it.

Dan, First I don't listen to Beck and I don't follow any of the talking heads except when I am channel surfing. I watch parts of Obermann, O'Reilly, Hannity, & Matthews, to get a rounded discussion. The fact is Beck did raise the money I stated and no one has answered my question as to show proof how much Palin, Beck and other speakers took in fees, which was my whole point. As far as what Obama has done for vets, remember he is the president and the VA is his responsibility. How much has he donated to veteran causes from his own pocket? I was not in support of the Iraqi invasion as I knew it would be a boondoggle and very costly, (I had been through Vietnam). I feel we should have put our resources into Afghanistan. BTW, we are not out of Iraq yet, and we do have troops in Iraq working and training Iraqi police and troops. I was an adviser in Vietnam and believe me when you go into the field with local troops it is combat. Also we still have 50,000 troops in training positions, which make them targets for the insurgents. I might be wrong, but I believe the time line for withdrawn of combat troops was established by the Iraqi government and the Bush administration.

No one is mocking GOD, We are mocking Beck, Palin, and the morons they keep on a leash

Once again, which Party votes for proper gear for the troops, benefits for vets, etc.? It's not the Republican Party of No. I have three members of my family in the military. You think you can put a magnet on your vehicle or attend an astro-turf rally and that makes you a saint.

The Koch brothers who are behind many right-wing organizations helped pay for buses and lodging. In the meantime, most of the money raised will go to pay for the rally, which probably includes speaking fees and a bendy straw for Palin. Beck says "wake up" so why don't you?

The amount raised for the troop foundation is admirable and for a good cause; cheers for the effort.

I'd suggest you not accuse one party of being more charitable than the other. You know nothing about what Olbermann, Matthews or any other liberal does. Fact, Olbermann has given considerable dollars to FreeClinics.us and raised several million more through his efforts on Countdown.

So as you exclaim "Liberals.. mock God" then exactly what do Conservatives do? This was an "Honor" rally which was promoted by a hate-monger - it's what he is - a hate monger and an agent for intolerance. There's nothing in the Bible, zero, which would guide anyone to conclude otherwise about Glen Beck's behavior. That miscreant convention had nothing to do with honor unless your a member of the Christian Taliban. Any rational, intelligent Christian could not evaluate Glen Beck's communications otherwise. Had it been Billy Graham at the lectern you'd have an argument since that man never, not ever got involved in political debate. Go yell your "Jesus Acbar" on Fox's (Faux News) website. Those pathetic sheeple will enjoy it.

Joe - see this is part of the problem. I consider myself a moderate but I support Obama. I am also a Christian - which the far right assumes cannot be possible. I know many liberals and they are just as good Christians as any right leaning people. For you to assume they are not is really disgusting. Actually, the liberals I know represent more Christian values than I see on the far right. Just saying...

Cannot understand why I cannot find ONE NEWS agency reporting on the fund raising that went on at the rally. HOW COME??? And at the other rally, the one Sharpton was in charge of, NOTHING but hate as usual. The day was NOT hijacked by the tea party. Had nothing to do with THE TEA PARTY. But go ahead and listen to the news rags put their spin on. We certainly are living in disgusting times. Liberals are supposed to be all inclusive. Glad I'm NOT part of their party any longer. Absolutely DISHONORABLE.

Sorry Joe - you need to do research - Beck, Palin, Limbaugh - give practically NOTHING to charity. On the other hand, Olberman and Matthews give a very large amount to charity each year. I have no idea what Schultz does. And, rose - since you want an inclusive party you need to look somewhere other than the GOP. If you don't agree with their antiquated ideas you are neither American nor Christian. That's inclusive how??? No that is truly dishonorable!

I'd really be interested in seeing how much of that money actually goes to the charity, and how much goes to "expenses" such as becky & sister sarah's appearance fees, limousines, private planes, etc. etc. etc.

People like Beck,O"Reilly,Limbaugh and Hannity give millions of dollars to our troops and other charities

The truth is that they actually give very little out of their own pockets, but they do manage to turn a handsome profit for themselves in the process. A charitable organization for veterans similar to the SOWF that was fronted by Sean Hannity and Oliver North recently raised $5 million for veterans, but after the "expenses" were deducted. less than 12% of all the money collected actually went to the charity. The SOWF website posted a disclaimer that the it, too, would only receive whatever was left over after Beck and his cohorts deducted their "expenses" -- and Beck estimated his own expenses at over $1 million, with another $1 million earmarked to pay celebrity patriots like Sarah Palin, Bishop Harry Jackson, and Alveda King.

It's all an illusion, Nash, all an illusion...

(waves hand)

These are not the economic numbers you seek.

lol

I know Michael . . . but I like positive illusions from time to time! ;o)

It's funny though because it's ABC News and they spin 3 of the worst months in a row with a quick spike as "best in 4 months". When you hit bottom, there's always a few bounces.

Amen Spike!

I agree with you Spike. I saw about 2 minutes of the rally on CNN and everyone was just mulling around. There were huge vacant spaces so I think 87,000 is being generous. I turned it off when an interviewer asked a woman why she was there and she said because her kind was being ignored. The interviewer should have asked the woman what she meant by "her kind" but didn't. I turned the TV off at that point and went back to having a life.

Tea baggers should try getting a life of their own....... If the truth were known I would say that their problem is that they don't have a life and they have to blame someone. Perhaps if they took responsibility for themselves, life would be better.

I've read enough from the left not to trust anything they print. they pissed on Bush for eight years but they can't take it. Obama is the worst.

They psssed on him yes, but nobody said he wasn't an american. Nobody lied about him...

he was a war criminal, no more, no less.

Perhaps if they took responsibility for themselves, life would be better.

You obviously didn't watch what the rally was about and just write it off by inserting your own theories on what hateful things they may have said. You do realize that taking responsibility for themselves is what the overlying theme was, right? Is your view of taking care of yourself voting for the guy who'll tax the employers more to give those who don't even try to do so free stuff?

Who friggin cares how many were at the rally? The size of the rally is all MSNBC is reporting on rather than how the American people have the lowest faith in elected officials in HISTORY.

he was a war criminal, no more, no less.

Good. Take the Democrats who were screaming about WMDs since the Bush Sr years down with him though. Don't forget to include Obama for keeping Gitmo open, continuing the exact same handling of the 2 wars, continuation of the wire-tapping, etc while you're at it. And now that Obama took credit for sticking to Bush's timeline for withdrawal, make sure you don't blame Bush for anything bad that might happen when the vacuum gets filled over there. Obama wants credit for it just like Clinton took full credit for NAFTA on his Clinton Library web site in the list of accomplishments.

Tea baggers should try getting a life of their own....... If the truth were known I would say that their problem is that they don't have a life and they have to blame someone. Perhaps if they took responsibility for themselves, life would be better.

now isn't that rich, coming from a lib.....lol

You sound like your about 13, tea baggers are people who have been breaking their backs all thier lives, raising educated respectable kids, PAYING THEIR OWN WAY! Unlike bums like you bashing everyone probably with your hand out. Let the adults handle the dicision making.