Eric, did you just 'read' your own post with comments like 'dumb old white people' & tea bagging drag queens? Then you have the grit to say the people attending this rally are the 'braindead beckerhead crowd' & only the most degenerate scum in America are attending this rally'. YOUR THE SCUMBAG WHEN YOUR OBVIOUSLY FAR-LEFT LIBERAL BIAS can't even recognize that 1000's of these people are hard working, middleclass Americans, black & white, who happen to feel government is responding to the needs of the people. What a laugh, we're the one's 'spewing hate', YOU NEED TO LOOK AT YOUR OWN WORDS 'AH'

I'm sorry, NJ John, it's not going to fly. We know what you people are. You can gild it if you want, but it's still a turd. A racist, reactionary turd. You have every right to spit on Dr. King if you want. But don't expect us not to spit back.

Eric,

Have read your comments many times and while I usually agree with your point of view, your delivery sucks! Name calling only degrades the progressive dialog. While we know that the Tea party members by profile are often uneducated, we don't need to resort to childish name calling, it only makes you and by association liberals look like less. Take on Beck, et all with his own words, Restore America to civil, intelligent discourse.

There it is Folks, the Train Of Thought that wishes to take Back Thier Country:

Ken, a Military Vet, says Proudly, that the President of the United States of America is a "Communist". He also questions President Obamas, Citizenship!

America, this kinda Thinking, can Never get close again, to having the Riens of Power!

I've come to believe that these "Real American's"(as they wanna be called) are Afraid to meet thier maker, that they so Proudly talk about. That is the reason for wanting to take thier Country back. For some reason, unbeknown to the rest of Us Sane people, they think they can live thier lives over again, & therefore, put off meeting the One, that they'll havta Explain thier Actions to.

The Religous Right or better explained as the "American Taliban", has come alive with a vengance,that needs to put away forever! They have No Morals,They're Clinging to thier Guns & thier Religion, & they're Scared of thier, End Of Life & want Us to be Scared withem.

Make No mistake America, this bunch of LooneyTunes is CRAZY!

You Betcha!

It's a shame that Palin and Beck so shamelessly lead those with such heavily degraded, cowardly, simple minds. I suppose that's how a lot of the largest leaders came to be - lead those that cannot think much for themselves or are desperate for validation of their own convoluted ideas. Think Hitler, Pope, Al-Quaida...

Even worse is that they spit on the graves and honor of the true great leaders that once led this country. I watched some of Beck's speech and I watched some of Palin's.... Palin spoke in meandering circles about troops, her god, generally anything that would make the people there feel good ...("I support the troops!.... I enjoy Mr. King Jr's ideas!...), though she tripped over every 3rd word and never really made a single point. Beck stood there flapping his arms, shed a tear and recited every great speech he could think of...he clearly feels his name is or must be amoung those that once heroically led us as a nation. He is very full of himself and that's the bottom line. People seem to be easily led by those who can steal others' ideas and words and utilize them as their own and others sadly seem to follow those that can just talk passionately and loudly about nonsensicle ideas. I suppose the bible helped grease the wheels for that broken wagon. Beck speaks of a nation of men that can lead themselves without this government. But he also speaks about this country being led by his bible..... Hitler anyone? Beck and Palin are whackjobs that use their emotions and blame everyone else for their plights rather than using facts and reality and it's shameful that so many in this country are bought by the need to feel sorry for them.

This display is a display of religious morons there the radicals. Liberals and freedom fighters protested against the Vietnam war. Those that fought were drafted and forced to fight against their will or be imprisoned. Those troops fighting in Iraq were sold a bill of goods and a pack of lies to get them to volunteer. Two different wars. Sara Palin knows nothing of the Vietnam war or for that matter world war one or two! Her son sits behind a damn desk, are you kidding me! Sara has some nerve speaking on Martin Luther King Day when she just supported Dr. Laura in using the "N" word. What a hypocrite Beck and Sara are a joke and they and their followers make me sick to my core. I would never want to see religion take over my Government. A Government structure just like Iran! Stop giving them attention! A few thousand people does not represent this country never has and never will. They weren't there to see the movement in this country in the sixties. I was a part of that movement and we are not going back to British religious rule or Southern bigotry and racism.

I desperately hope that other people in other nations are not watching this. It's embarrasing, and frankly if they think these two represent us as a whole, I wouldn't blame them for wanting to be our enemies.

Beck and Palin have the constitutional right to hold this event, but should they out of respect for Americas intelligence? Shouldn't they respect the will of the American people? Over 99.9% of Americans will not be at the event and it might offend some of them...just like a community center, right?

I don't agree with anything Beck does, ever, from pretending to be a priest on his show, to holding an obviously dog-whistle type rally. But he has all the rights to hold any legal event he wants any day he wants and that is EXACTLY what makes America .... America! His mere pathetic existence in the public realm is evidence that America works. Now if only he understood that.

Diane from California: You said this: "While we know that the Tea party members by profile are often uneducated"

Perhaps you should read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html

I know, I know, it may contain facts that you don't like, which may cause you to ignore them. That's your choice. But at least recognize that your generalizations and insults do not come from a place that is "factual."

You know, it is comments like these that illustrate everything that is wrong with America today. Instead of taking the time to try to understand why these people are frustrated, i.e., overbloated government, you choose to engage in name-calling and generalizations without any regard for truth. Obama was supposed to signal the end of partisan politics, or at least a shift to "post-partisanship." The exact opposite has proven to be true, and no, it is not only the fault of the Republicans.

Are there people who may not have the best of intentions present in the crowd? Probably so. But does that give you the right to label everyone there by the worst of its representation? Absolutely not. If that were true, you'd have to label the entire human race, including the oh-so-charitable, "perfect" lefties who post on here, as vile.

To you, and all your liberal cronies, one comment: Show your work. If the best you can do is offer derision and insults, then you really have nothing to contribute.

This is really a scary time in America. We have the Tea Party rising. What is the Tea Party really, behind the smoke and mirrors that have been set up. That the part that scares me about these guys. I know what they say publicly is not what they say behind closed doors. The fact that what they say publicly is laced with racial, isolationist innuendo. Makes me scared how deep they will take it in closed doors. This Tea Party movement is nothing but a movement of hate painted a pretty color. Come on people think, look back at the Klu Klux Kan, what their message is. Hello, don't you see the exact same message the Tea Party is saying "restoring America". Come on people you are not that stupid, the Tea Party is counting on your stupidity for it's very survival

I wonder if "Gold Coin" Glenn knows Fox News biggest private shareholder is a muslim...

The real Glenn wouldn't care anyways I'm sure....How can people believe anything this idiot says when every 2 minutes he's asking you to send him money for coins?

Most say they're indies or have voted Dem at least once.

I had to laugh at this. Most? You don't even need poll numbers to know that is not true. Most of these people are as far right as you can get.

Jill

It would be easier to believe these people were for smaller government if you didn't often hear these same people contradict themselves so much. They want their benefits but want smaller government. They want to make abortion illegal but want smaller government. They want to deny gay people the right to marry but want smaller government. They believe in the Constitution and no one else does yet they want to repeal the 14th amendment, they want freedom of their own religion but they want mosques out.

Who can take them seriously when they don't believe in their own message?

The guy who predicted civil war, is predicting it because he wants it and he believes the GOP and tea arty candidates are practically telling them to start one.

The GOP/tea party representatives have managed to insult poor people, unemployed people, black people, Mexicans, environmentalists, and anyone liberal of course.

The tea party candidates are radically right and appear to be at least 3 beers short a six pack. Fluoride and bicycles are communist plots? One of them is suggesting second amendment remedies if the ELECTIONS don't turn out like they want.

Other than the fact that a lot of them keep suggesting violence as a means to change this country there is no reason to take them seriously.

The fact that a corporation was busing a lot of these people in is yet another reason not to take them seriously. This is a corporate-backed ploy to dupe these people and all they have to do is use the words small government or God. Most of them really believe this is a grass roots movement. Grass roots movements do not include corporations busing people into town hall meetings.

These people are being sold a pack of lies all for the sake of corporations who are trying to get what little government protection we do have from them out of the way. We have to stop regulating corporations and regulate personal lives more. THAT is what they are saying and that is why these people love that message.

When fascism hits this country it won't be because of the people on the left and the majority of Independents.

Eris, you are equating "small" government with "no" government. Tea Party members are not promoting no government. They want limited government. I do not identify with the Tea Party movement, but I can understand why they would be resistant to the government telling them (in some ways), "I know what's best for you better than you know what's best for you." And, it was the healthcare mandate that triggered this backlash (understandably). I find it quite amusing that you boil down the whole Tea Party message to some corporation pulling the strings of regular people. Hello, Eris! The corporations need not use these people as a tool; they have all the politicians, i.e., power, they need squarely in their back pockets.

I mean, your argument would make someone who, say, attended a public school hypocritical for wanting smaller government. That argument just doesn't fly, and it's at least a bit intellectually dishonest.

you clearly did not watch or listen, or you could not possibly make such a baseless statement

I did watch. I did listen. This was a salute to the ignorance and barbarism the right uses to control the masses of people to hopeless to fathom anything based in reason.

You just don't get it Jeff. This was not about left or right. It was about speaking out against progressivism. Typical comment from the fringe though.

Have fun in the morning jumping up and down yelling to keep the sun from coming up. Change will always occur. No one can stop it. I just hope we choose to PROGRESS and not go back to living in caves led by weird holy men.

There it is Folks, the Train Of Thought that wishes to take Back Thier Country:

Ken, a Military Vet, says Proudly, that the President of the United States of America is a "Communist". He also questions President Obamas, Citizenship!

America, this kinda Thinking, can Never get close again, to having the Riens of Power!

I've come to believe that these "Real American's"(as they wanna be called) are Afraid to meet thier maker, that they so Proudly talk about. That is the reason for wanting to take thier Country back. For some reason, unbeknown to the rest of Us Sane people, they think they can live thier lives over again, & therefore, put off meeting the One, that they'll havta Explain thier Actions to.

The Religous Right or better explained as the "American Taliban", has come alive with a vengance,that needs to put away forever! They have No Morals,They're Clinging to thier Guns & thier Religion, & they're Scared of thier, End Of Life & want Us to be Scared withem.

Make No mistake America, this bunch of LooneyTunes is CRAZY!

You Betcha!

"Progressivism?" You want to go backwards? To where?

Omg, Bob. How is "speaking out against progressivism" not about left vs right? And what the hell is so wrong with progressivism, anyway? Let me guess, Glenn Beck told you it was a "cancer." The movement that brought us civil rights, women's suffrage, child labor laws, the minimum wage, employer health insurance, and basically every other good thing in our lives, is a "cancer." Whatever.

And, by the way, Dr. King was a progressive. So please don't claim anymore that you are honoring his legacy when you call him a "cancer" and work to overturn everything he stood for.

$13 trillion in debt, growing by more than $1 trillion a year, and you ask what's wrong with progressive movement? And yes, I know both parties have contributed to this disaster - but if you examine further it is because both parties have been overtaken by progressives.

Progress is not necessarily a bad thing - but it isn't always a good thing either.

All you name callers accomplish nothing except proving your own difficulties living among people not like yourself.

I don't care if you want to believe in something or nothing. I don't care if you want to abort your babies, smoke pot, work or not work. What I do believe in is personal responsibility, and charity. A little decency, concern, tempered with reality.

So you feed, cloth, and take care of your family, and I'll do the same for mine. And if I can build enough success, I am happy to help others less fortunate. I am also happy to support responsible government. That said, we have not seen responsible government for several decades. What we have today is an abomination of our founding principles. We are living unsustainably. You cannot fund government jobs, benefits and pensions with debt, burdening non-government workers to pay for government excess while not being able to provide for their own families. The "ruling class" has fleeced us all, and it is time that we turn back this insanity.

It wasn't progressives that put us in the deficit fix we are in.

Who says a picture isn't worth a thousand words...?

Just more proof why the right wing nitwits are so anti-education! lol

http://www.themudflats.net/wp-content/uploads/fixed.jpg

Shout out to Clara, KC for sharing!

It is not going so good since we abandoned the solid Judeo-Christian principles on which this country was built. ALL the indicators of decency and morality and civil order and rule of law are going south. STDS are up, AIDs is up, violent crime is up, respect for law and fairness is down, families are breaking down in record numbers, new kinds of depravity are invented each week, what is vile is praised and what is reasonable and Godly is defamed. So it fits that when people, in large numbers speak with reason and honesty, they would be vilified. As the Bible tells us, the hatred of God will grow and grow. We have a pres who loves just about everything and everyone who opposes America, he seems to not realize he is supposed to behave like an adult and that means to make sense and accept responsibility, and he has an insane policy of lawlessness and wild spending with no explanation about how his successors will clean up the mess he is making. In his irrationality and self-love he has much in common with those on the left and far-left and the media and entertainment and academic areas that seem dazzled by the way he does most anything mundane while having nothing but vicious comments about anyone who dares to question the fellow. If I hated the country and could not think well and was lazy and had no moral backbone, though, I think I would act the same.

Does anyone find it ironic that the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King was rallying for social justice, and that Mr. Beck constantly derides Christians who believe in social justice? He has instructed Christians to leave their churches if it promotes social justice. Does anyone find it...for lack of a better word..."unholy," that Mr. Beck should choose the spot where a prophetic word was spoken about civil rights 47 years ago?

Mr. Beck appeals to the emotions and darker angels of human nature. He doesn't attract people who exhibit the attributes of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness or self-control. He attracts people who are united only in their anger.

Mr. Beck's moment in the sun will pass, and angry people will still be angry, and will flock to someone else who will channel their anger for them. And the world continues to turn.

Paul F

Maybe we should get rid of the Bush Tax for the rich since it's not paid for and adding trillions to the debt.

“Restore Honor”

Before you can restore something you have to buy into the concept that it was somehow allowed to deteriorate or become tarnished and that you somehow had possession of it in the first place.

The honor of Abraham Lincoln lives forever for the ages in word, deed and his sacrifice for our country untarnished. The honor of Dr Martin Luther King lives forever for the ages in word, deed and sacrifice for our country without blemish. The honor and sacrifice of our young military people lives forever in word, deed, tradition and sacrifice forever like a bright shining star over our nation. Honor is not a piece of furniture that you send out to be restored or a piece of jewelry that you wear around your neck. You either have it or you don’t. If you have it it cannot be bought and sold or tarnished so that it needs restoring. Nobody can take it away from you because it lives within the Honorable as a core of what they are and what they always will be even long after they leave this veil of tears.

So we are going to have a gathering this weekend by the dishonorable so that they can somehow try to wrap the honorable around themselves. Make no mistake. Glenn Beck has no honor. Sarah Palin has no Honor. Michelle Bachmann has no honor. The only one missing here is the King of Dishonor Dick Cheney. Guess they couldn’t find an extension cord long enough so they could keep him plugged up and mobile. These people are Liars, Panderers and Opportunitists. They lack the honor of even a ten dollar whore who is at least true to her clients.

These people can’t restore anybodies Honor even their own because they never had possession of any in the first place.

jim, you make a passionate argument -- except that you're wrong on EVERY SINGLE POINT. Violent crime and STDs have been DROPPING for the past 2 decades. You're like a little version of FixedNews -- spouting false statistics to back up your ridiculous arguments for turning our beloved republic into a fundamentalist Christian theocracy. Go live with the Taliban if you think religious rule is so great. After all, we have the shining example of the morality of the Catholic Church, which knowingly covered up pedophilia by priests for hundreds of years. Oh, but it's the liberals and secularists who are "immoral" in your book! Open your eyes and stop listening to the garbage that your pastor (and probably your family) has been feeding you your whole life!

So many are wasting their time here on a rag that is going out of business. Feisty Roselle and others, there is a reason you won't have this platform of hate much longer, it's because your message is getting less & less mainstream and more & more radical. Too bad you've lost touch with the people of the U.S.A.

Obammy is a losing cause, your bloodbath is on the way and will arrive Nov. 2. No-one knows just how bad it will be. Some say "epic", some say early '90's. I don't have a crystal ball but it's going to be bad, real bad for you proggies. You need to tone down the rhetoric and come back toward the center if you want to be a part of the future of this country.

Like him or hate him, Beck is closer to the average citizen of the U.S. than "Feisty Roselle" and her cohorts can ever dream of being. They would be wise to re-think thier leftist stance.

A word of warning to all you Tea Partiers out there who are wailing about government spending to be careful about what you wish for - if the government does sharply curtail spending in the near future the crash will make the current recession look like a Sunday picnic by comparison - in the end it'll come back to bite you in your Glenn Beck.

John Maynard Keynes, is that you?

Like him or hate him, Beck is closer to the average citizen of the U.S. than "Feisty Roselle" and her cohorts can ever dream of being

So what your saying is the 'average' citizen of the U.S. is a alcoholic - college dropout - hate-mongering racist who manipulates the stuck on stupid crowd...

Thanks for clearing that up for me... lol

What is the left so worried about? If the rally in Washington today is really no big deal, why are you circling the wagons - shooting hate arrows at anyone defending it and throwing out every nasty sling you can? Seriously - if this is nothing, how come you have such passionate, hateful reactions to it?

I want to know why the left is so angry about conservative principles. It doesn't make sense.

Conservatives are sick and tired of an out of control government. We are tired of looking at the government spending our children's futures. We hate the fact that the government is taking over health care. They want to tax us to death and all liberals think conservatives are crazy for wanting our money from going to the government. What is ingrained in liberals where they think the government is the end all, beat all to our way of life? Are you all that insecure with your own lives where you have to constantly sit on Uncle Sam's knee. Don't you have any self respect?

To begin, I am very disappointed that the media hasn't been giving more if not equal attention to REAL civil rights rallies today.

As for unity, the FOX News channel was launched in 1996. That was the end of factual reporting and the beginning of polarization. So when we say FOX Political Organization and Hate Radio are the greatest threat to the country, it's not an exaggeration. Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are two of the most divisive figures out there.

To Mr. Fogg – He thinks our President is a communist? He should ask Glenn Beck about the Mormon belief in the Law of Consecration. He thinks McCain should have demanded to see President Obama's births certificate? McCain was born in Panama. So if the Foggs are an example of the type of people worshipping their false prophet today, it is clear there is a big problem with willful ignorance in this country. And we all know where it's coming from.

And the retired couple better get off the couch and ask Republican/Tea Party politicians about how they plan to reduce/end Social Security and Medicare programs so they can pay to extend Bush's tax cuts for the top 2% of wealth.

Glenn (Jim Jones) Beck worshipers who claim they don't always vote Republican (yeah, like they watch news other than FOX Political Organization), may not have been to crazy about extremes after Terri Shiavo. So has it occurred to them that all this religious talk from Beck is not the fiscal talk of Tea Party leaders like Ron Paul?

It's good to see the social conservatives back at their true agenda of God, gays and guns. Sure, it gets the base riled up, but Independents not so much.

Not circling the wagons Brian - just pointing out the facts that's all! ;0)

People like the Beck's - Palin's - Bachmann's & Rush's are laughing all the way to the bank! And what is even more depressing is they're doing so by playing off of hate & fear to their narrow minded followers!

I want to know why the left is so angry about conservative principles. It doesn't make sense.

Bingo!

Because conservative principles make NO sense!

For starters conservatives are against Government intrusion but think NOTHING off intruding into everyones bedrooms & bodies!

Their hypocrisy knows NO bounds...

Scary , Isn't libs?

Page one of the liberal manual, when faced with a statement or siruation, you don't like, but have no facts to reb, ridicule, ridicule, ridicule.

Page 2------- Lie

Page 3 ------Ignore corrections.

Give it up libs we all, have a copy by now.

You folks are looking at the grouop, that is going to take away all of yoru entitlement programs

You see reality coming and short of crying screamins and telling untruths, you do't know what to do, bye little libs.

@ Broward Detective

"What unity are you looking for"? Excellent question. The unity of those that are like minded in honest conservative Christian principles. (Who are becoming the majority more and more, like in California 70% voted against the perversion of homosexuality being recognized as marriage. Yes that was in California). You don't have to agree with someone elses opinions but I don't know how you think you are promoting unity by bashing any one who disagrees with YOU! And as for unity between jews, christians, and muslims!!! The religion of Islam makes it very clear that it is the only religion that should be acknowleged and those who don't convert should be slaughtered. Christians and Jews did live in unity i might add that is until our goverment (obama) cut our alliances with Israel and is telling them to surrender thier land to the Muslims. Hmmmmm. Unity? Worldwide unity will never be achieved here on this earth. Good and evil cannot peacefully cohabitate therefore there will always be a struggle between right and wrong. Truth and lies. We must choose where we stand as individuals. Praise God for "divisive" individuals like Beck and Palin who don't shy away from the truth but proclaim it loudly leaving no room for useless fence sitters who wish for what is easy rather than what is right.

Wow...I have never seen so many words put into one persons mouth. Namely mine. I think a few people have taken some liberties with my statements. I did not realize that progressivism was a politcal party. I thought there was only two? Progressivism is an agenda.

To associate affirmative action, civil rights, and any other good thing we have done with progressives is laughable.

I noticed one of you decided to associate Dr King with the progressive movement. You need to do your homework. Dr King was a republican. I guess that fact got by you.

The problem I will reiterate will be: Don't comment on something you didn't watch in its entirety.

I NEVER said I agreed with Glenn Beck 100%. That was one of those words put in my mouth.

Do I watch him.Yep. Do I watch Cooper A, Keith O, Rachel M, Bill O, Etc. Yep.

Why might you ask? The truth always lies in the middle. Somewhere between all this insane banter and name calling is the truth.

I am not a stooge of the left or the right. No party affiliation. I will vote democrat if I believe that person to be moral and truthful. Same of a republican. I just like the truth. Not what they think I want to hear.

None of our elected officials right now are actually telling us the WHOLE truth, just their version.

Oh and Gail, Where was all this hate and fear you speak of? I watched today. No signs, No hate speech. What are you talking about?

Disagree with the man on his opinions, but don't make junk up.

That is as bad as those baseless birthers out there. Making stuff up.

Also the ones calling the president a muslim. He said he is a Christian. Says he believes in Jesus, and frankly that is good enough for me.

I don't agree with Glenn Beck's religous views of mormonism. I don't think he is evil though. Just different. I would hope the Christians here would pray for him.

I may not agree with everything this administration is doing, but this ridiculous OH YEAH junk instead of real political discourse is just wrong.

I do not believe in progressivism. I don't think someone who does is a bad person. I just happen to disagree. The fact I disagree with you, somehow gives you the permission to call me a racist, or close minded? I think the ones that do are close minded. The constitution gives you free speech, you it to be constructive.

If I have offended someone in my posts, I apologize. If I disagree with you, counter it with a solid point. Watch other people and listen to what they are saying. If it is hate, turn it off. If it is a difference of your opinion, research it. Find the facts. Wrestle with it.

Oh and by the way. How did homosexuality enter the fray Noah?

Do you remember the story of the good samaritan? What if the good samaritan in your life was a GODly lesbian? Would you refuse the help?

You may not agree with the choices they have made, but YOU are not their judge, jury and executioner.

When you speak like that Noah, you tune out people to any other points you make.

What if I told you I have conservative homosexual friends? What about Dick Cheney? He is for gay rights? How does that fit your argument.

These divisive social arguments are what keep us from unifying as a country. If it doesn't intrude on your personal rights, why bother?

I served in the ARNG for 3 years. I did not have to go to war. Thank GOD. I do know this. If I did I don't care if the guy in the foxhole next to me was gay, straight, agnostic, atheist, Christian, Jewish, Muslim etc. I just would want to know they had my back.

Bob

I applaud you for staying informed from both perspectives but you stated that all of all elected official only tells their version of the truth. Isn't that what we all do truth is SOMETIMES subjective. Like the stimulus plan. Did you know that one third of the so called failed stimulus was tax cuts! That should prove that tax cuts isnt a cure all, I know the tax that I am enjoying right now doesnt produce jobs because I am not a Multi millionare so does that mean I dont deserve a tax cut? Anyway my purpose is to say if tax cuts wasnt count as deficit spending then the stimulus plan would only be 552 billion while about 275 billion was carried as a tax cut. the cost of tax cuts must be factored in to Government Spending. It is a truth thats left out of most of the rhetoric on the right. Our income tax is at it lowest point in a very long long time. Things seems worse because we are calculating in things that werent factored in before. Like the cost of both Wars Now are on the books and have to be funded. So everyone tell the truth from their perspective.

You are doing the right thing by taking information from both sources and then doing your own research. Voltaire said

i read every view point here thats not derogatory or hateful but those that are insightful and informative.

UCG,

I am of the mind that in order to fix what is broken, we are going to have to do a little of everything. Pay more taxes, reign in some spending on needless programs, make sure welfare, medicare and social security are solvent. I remember when the Bush tax cuts went into effect, I didn't really notice too much of a difference. So to go back to the pre tax cut rates. No big deal really.

If you are going to cut taxes, you need to cut spending. Seems like check book balancing to me.

If we want to fund social programs, then we need to be willing to pay for them.

There is a balance to what we do. We can't scream limited government, then decry the same government for not doing enough for the oil spill. Seems hypocritical to me.

I do agree with your point that truth is subjective. We see truth through our cultural experiences. You may see someone as being loud and aggressive. They see themselves as "getting to the truth".

We all have value to add, as long as we are not insulting and uniformed.

Bob

You are correct this is the type of exchange that I look for. There's must be way to cut spending without all the anger. Realizing that the Government has the responsibility to provide a safety net fpr its people but we can't expect that safety to be a perpetual entitlement.

Bob 2046979: I did not speak of hate and fear anywhere in my post. I spoke only of anger.

"He doesn't attract people who exhibit the attributes of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness or self-control. He attracts people who are united only in their anger"

The opposite of what you say those people are not about would equate to hate and fear, as well as the anger you speak of.

So the opposite of love is hate, and so on.

I think you are generalizing. I apologize for simplifying your statement. However you are making a lot of statements of people you do not know personally, and if you watched the event I cannot understand any of the rest of what you said.

Disagree with their positions, but no love? no faithfulness? Not gentle? I am sure their wives, husbands, children, pastors etc. would disagree.

I know you probably don't agree with their positions. I do not agree with many. I watched though to see first hand without the spin, what it was and was not about. I did appreciate the SOWF ( Special Operations Warrior Foundation) presentation. This is a very worthy organization that is supported by people on both sides of the aisle. It was worth it just for them.

Say a prayer for our soldiers and pray for their safe return soon.

Bob, I stand by my words.

Glenn Beck can say anything he wants during a few hours at the Lincoln Memorial, but what does he say day after day on television? A few hours of nice words and 87,000 people who were admonished beforehand not to show up with nasty signs does not a prophet make. A person who constantly demonizes President Obama, or anyone for that matter, and accuses him of being a racist, when we all know that is an out-and-out lie, will have to do a whole lot more than he did yesterday to win my approval. I watched one clergyman call Glenn Beck "the Son of God." Please!

You and I are not going to see eye to eye on this, Bob. Glenn Beck has the right to say what he wants, and I have a right to be skeptical and to find him untrustworthy.

As for praying for our soldiers, of course I do and will...if only you knew. Have a great Sunday, Bob.

Living in caves? That is what I keep hearing from the Progressives, getting back to the basics of our Constitution is not going back to living in caves as you try to use as a scare tactic… you embrace socialism, communism, hate Capitalism and our rights under the Constitution.

Why don’t you Progressives come clean and change your new titles back to what it was before you came up with “Progressive” and that was “Marxist”, just like “Global warming” is now “Climate changes” when your “Progressive leaders” got caught lying and falsifying reports..

Anyone who has not read rules for radicals needs to look it up on the internet and will see what the “Progressives” are up too…

Where is your Progressive hero leader Al Gore now? … You don’t fool the masses of this country, christen or not, it’s about common sense and most have yet to hear or see anything of substance from a Progressive… let’s see in November how America feels about you “Progressives” and your march to enslave the nation.

Exactly! Msnbc is my choice for news but as of late they have been crossing over to looneyvile. PBS my next stop!

Great points, revelwoodie. Long live rationalism in American thought ;-)

Broward Detective- If you are BSO, Maybe you should clean your own house before you even begin to comment on someone else's.

"We are sick of it, and sick of people EXACTLY LIKE YOU. When you wake up America after this rally, you are going to find an America full of people who have no friends and have painted themselves into a corner, the rest of us will be staring at you very angrily for what you are doing.

Kind of like the BSO has been operating since the Navaro days. No difference

Remember, you, and your buddies are also bound by the same laws that citizens are. You guys, most of you have been angry at everything for years. It's not a police state yet as official policy, but it has been for you guys since i was a kid. The number of times I have seen BSO beat people with flashlights over the years, for no reason, I couldn't even begin to count.

So I do appreciate the honesty about your anger, and there are some good BSO, but most of you, are some of the angriest people on this planet. I hope you are the rare exception.

Revelwoodie - MSNBC is covering this because it is news and they need the ratings! Between a quarter million and half million US citizens willing to travel to Washington DC to make a statement is not something you can ignore, as much as you might like to.

Actually Dr king was conservative in both his views and his message. Anyone that aligns his teachings with progressivism is simply lying, either through ignorance or for their own evil purposes.

I particularly love those that try to equate the conservative movement (Tea party activists) with the German National Socialist Party (NAZI) when it is the Progressives that use the rabble rousing propaganda networks (The majority of so called Journalists) to spread their message of discontent, panic, violence and fear.

Dr. King never called himself a progressive... He would be sick for what the progressives have done to the Democratic Party. Dr. King was one of those (in the words of a Progressives) nut ball Christens that has screwed up the country. People have perverted Dr. King’s message in the name of making a buck.... Right Al and Jess?

That is what I keep hearing from the Progressives, getting back to the basics of our Constitution is not going back to living in caves as you try to use as a scare tactic… you embrace socialism, communism, hate Capitalism and our rights under the Constitution.

Why don’t you Progressives come clean and change your new titles back to what it was before you came up with “Progressive” and that was “Marxist”, just like “Global warming” is now “Climate changes” when your “Progressive leaders” got caught lying and falsifying reports..

Anyone who has not read rules for radicals needs to look it up on the internet and will see what the “Progressives” are up too…

Where is your Progressive hero leader Al Gore now? … You don’t fool the masses of this country, christen or not, it’s about common sense and most have yet to hear or see anything of substance from a Progressive… let’s see in November how America feels about you “Progressives” and your march to enslave the nation.

And as American's, they are free to follow whatever nutjob they like. And it "takes one to know one", thus they are nutjobs by default.

Take a poll and find out where these people come from. I'll bet that 90% come from the south! Yeah their fed up but they voted Republicans that created this mess. Its their own mess they want cleaned up but they blame our current President for it. These people are ignorant. I would be willing to bet that most were bused there by their churches. The majority of Americans who are really hurting , can't afford a trip to Washington!

Jack 616657 listen to what you are saying: "There are many there that are genuinely frustrated with the situation in the country and are looking for solutions". Many of these people are being used by groups like Freedom Works, Fox News (not really a journalistic organization any more) and a few more. These people may be frustrated with the mess we are in but they are conveniently blaming our President who did not cause the mess in the first place. He, along with the Democrats and Progressives are working to move the country forward, when all these people want to stay stuck in the same racist, ignorant rhetoric. These people are nothing but sheep to the slaughter because if the politicians that represent these "frustrated people" as you call them - actually get into office then our country really will be taken - taken from the hands of those that are working 24/7 to make it better with those who wish to destroy it all in the name of greed. It's a real laugh to hear Beck say this is not a political rally when the words spewing from these people is the very definition of the negative, hateful political discourse that has defined this group from their inception.

Youngblood, it took both parties to royally screw up Washington, but I suppose if it makes you feel better to put all the blame on the right, that is certainly your right. You say they want to remain "stuck in the same racist, ignorant rhetoric." Really? Why do you even think that? My gut says that you are "speaking" before actually knowing what it is that your speaking about. Does it make you feel good to hurl such accusations? Does it make you feel better to post comments that reflect your thoughts that you are superior to these people?

Jack has it right; to dismiss the concerns of these people based on hateful generalizations is to tell them that their voice doesn't matter. Casting generalizations such as "racist" and "ignorant" reveals one thing and one thing only: your intolerance for ideas that are different than your own. You see it on this board all the time. If you dare to speak a word against the policies of Obama, you must be a racist! It was like that during the election, and it has remained the same since then. Your name-calling is nothing more than that; you don't like that these people have different ideas than yours, so you feel a need to lash out. It's quite pathetic.

Rita,

That is one of the most uniformed comments. If you knew anything about our country, you would know that southerners are some of the poorer in the nation. Typical elitist mentality.

You are another trying to post about something you either did not watch or cannot understand.

JACK:

I never once said the Christian fundies didn't have genuine concerns or that I don't share some their concerns. You made a mistake with that assumption.

What they have, however, are solutions that add to the problems. The reason for that is they have a filtered view of all political processes, including government, that is as incorrect as it comes.

This has nothing to do with political differences.

When the mistake is made early on the the equation, what follows is of no use. By that same arrangement, Christian fundies are of no use in the political process or in solving American problems, regardless of how genuine their concerns are, UNTIL they fix the errors in their view of political processes.

Here is an example of that kind of "early in the equation" mistake they make:

We are a secular nation.

They incorrectly believe otherwise.

To dismiss all people a this rally as "nutjobs" or Christian Fundamentalists is misguided. There are many there that are genuinely frustrated with the situation in the country and are looking for solutions.

I can appreciate that statement, but those people are at the wrong rally to get answers or be lead by a sane person. Beck is a revisionist whose reality is based on fantasy.

I would be willing to bet that most were bused there by their churches. The majority of Americans who are really hurting ,

That and the Koch brothers. It's a corporate event these people just don't realize it and if they do that's fine too.

"We don't need government in ANY part of corporate business. We just need more of it in our personal business."

That's the smaller government they keep talking about.

They're pretty much being told their religious beliefs and personal morals will be legislated in exchange for letting corporations go unbridled. That's how the right has sold and packaged it's message for years.

Oh how easy it is for some to make sweeping generalizations while calling others racists and bigots. Astonishing just how uneducated one must be to not see the irony or foolishness of these statements.

Good Christian people built this nation. The hateful rhetoric spewed by some is disappointing, but not surprising. Look around you at the churches in your city - they give food, clothing and shelter to the poor. They are moms and dads, sons and daughters, most of whom are living their lives, paying their taxes, and yes, many are frustrated as they have not seen someone in the White House in decades that share their principles of hard work, decency, modesty, and thrift. Instead we've seen 3 decades of excess, with extravagant parties, spending, all the while preaching to hard working American's to pay more and expect less. Our federal government and many state governments have let us down. They have failed. It is time to pick up the pieces and rebuild a nation based not on debt, hate, or arrogance, but instead based on responsibility, thrift and decency.

Good Christian people built this nation.

On the backs of slaves.

Not the kind of christian future I want for this country. The fact that people keep invoking "our Christian heritage" really bothers me considering their less than flattering past in this country and around the world.

Christians want to take credit for all the good that has happened but try really hard to suppress any talk about the bad things that came out of it and still are.

Those "Christians" who keep mouthing off in the political arena are not good Christians and if they are you can't tell it by the way the things they do and say. They just sound like a bunch of angry, hateful homophobes and racists.

It is time to pick up the pieces and rebuild a nation based not on debt, hate, or arrogance, but instead based on responsibility, thrift and decency.

On this we can agree though I doubt we'd agree on how best to accomplish it. :)

There were black, white, Christian muslim, Catholic you name it. It was not a political rally.

Mixed bag. - Yes, I would bet more than 300,000 You couldn't see the many, many people behind the memorial. Every inch of space was full ( too bad they wouldn't let us in the pool, it was hot ! ) so there were many in the street and behind the memorial

If 200K fills the space along the fountain, and 300 K is the number for the big space behind the treeline( they had screens there) and that space was packed, that's 500 K, and then you have people that were all the way back to the WM, and the space behing the LM and the streets were packed far from the site.

It was much larger than 350. That has to be low. Not counting as just what was apparent, and to hear the reporters in this article say 350 K ( truth) is in itself amazing you know?

I truly love the hate and vitreol being spewed by the left. The name calling and baseless accusations show the real panic in the left and warms my heart that we may well be able to take back our nation before this administration can do any real and lasting harm. You all have a great day as your comments give me reason to smile.

that we may well be able to take back our nation before this administration can do any real and lasting harm.

This administration was elected by the people. Our voices count as much as yours does and this country is as much ours as it is yours.

Taking back the country? You can't take anything that doesn't belong entirely to you.

Well put, Eris!

Hey NewDay!

Nice to see you out and about... is it me or someone passing out FREE tin foil hats around here again? lol

I am so laughing at the alternating 'threats' and 'imagined lefty panic'!

I wasn't aware schizophrenia was contagious?

PS: Eris - you got my vote!

Feisty, this is truly frightening.

What's even more frightening is many of them are no doubt reproducing...

no proof for Obama being racist? I thought this was a serious discussion not an attempt at humor!

you are completely correct. I know I get so frustrated by the fringe right haters that I have knee-jerk reactions and call them names and dismiss them. But you are right: if they have legitimate concerns, let's hear 'em. And let's hope they hear some rational answers. My dad is one of these nuts, but if I have a quiet calm conversation with him I find I can help him wade through the B.S. that he keeps hearing from Beck and Limbaugh. Just wish he would stop listening to them. They tap into a very ignorant angry vein in the US and they are doing for their own financial gain -- end of story.

Dissent...

I love it!

Wow-

Dom and First Read say more than 300,000 at the Mall.

The "other shoe" drops...

It's about time, eh...?

Not many can afford to go to DC at this time, or have organizations like Freedom Works to bus people in.

Boris. G-12 rallys all the time. Just bring the riot gear.

Boris - 'We the people' did just rally in Washington. What do you think today was? It was a gathering of those who care enough about their country to show up and try to get our country back to what made it great in the first place.

Well that is an interesting thought. The only people that care about this country are those that showed up at the Mall today. Does that include the people that showed up for Al Sharpton's rally, or are they excluded from that? Who, exactly, are you going to take this country back from? Is it my country too, even though I believe in Liberal social policy, or am I excluded from calling myself an American? Since I have educated myself and my children, am I excluded from calling myself an American, since those who are educated are suspect? Would it interest you to know that when dictators take over countries, they do it by getting rid of the intelligentsia first? Why do you suppose that is? Who gets to define what an American is? Beck and his group of neanderthals, who are suspicious of those with educations? Or is American welcoming of all?

Newday - You are reading an awful lot into my statement which I did not say. Maybe that is part of the problem, you think?

Quoting Firefly: "We the people did just rally in Washington. What do you think today was? It was a gathering of those who care enough about their country to show up and try to get our country back to what made it great in the first place". I asked a legitimate question. Care to take a crack at answering?

Newday:

I'm guessing you won't hear anything further from firefly. You didn't read anything into her statement that wasn't there by clear implication.

John Edwards used to say we have 2 Americas. He was right, there are 2. There's the one that's reality based, and the other is now known as GlenBeckistan.

Thanks, bilweeler, and of course you are right. I do like to challenge their realities from time to time. I find that they never respond. But the GlenBeckistan world....that is a world I simply don't wish to inhabit.

Grandma Anne, you have conveniently boiled down the concerns of these people to one thing: racism (see your comment about them rallying for a "white president.").

This may come as a shock, but many people do not appreciate the feeling that they are losing much of their freedoms. They are being taxed to death, only to fund more and more entitlement programs. When you mess with their money, it has a tendency to tick people off. The healthcare legislation that was passed which requires people to purchase health insurance ticks people off, as it is just more money that is being taken out of their pockets. People have the right to spend their money as they see fit, and I suspect that this was the proverbial straw.

The healthcare legislation that was passed which requires people to purchase health insurance ticks people off, as it is just more money that is being taken out of their pockets. People have the right to spend their money as they see fit,

They also have a moral responsibility and duty to their country to help those less fortunate than themselves. This includes helping the sick. Sorry but as a citizen of a country and indeed as a member of the human race you must pay your fair share.

Jill, maybe you should realize, it is These people who Voted to go WAR, by backing GWB, thier Beef is with Him, Not President Obama.

Claiming Stupidity after the fact is nothing new to these IGNORANT MASSES, & You choose to Defend them.

You are who You associate with!

I have no problem paying MY fair share, the problem is not everyone does the same. They find a way around paying there share, therefore you want me to pay more. Those that use the system to get what doesnt belong to them are the very ones that DONT deserve it. If you want my help you can simply ask for it, I am no longer willing to pay more than my fair share.

Patrick J. Kelly, the government has no business telling me what my "moral responsibility" happens to be. That is why people get angry about this stuff. How would you like it if the government told you that you have a moral responsibility to, say, go to church, or support an organization that you abhorred.

What ever happened to the idea that you can't legislate morality? You know, the argument that I, as a Christian, have no right to tell you, as an atheist (I'm not saying you are, I'm just making a point), that it gay marriage is immoral and therefore should not be allowed? Or, me telling you that my religion says that life begins at conception, and thus abortion is equivalent to murder? The government has no business telling anybody how they should live their lives or what causes they have a moral responsibility to support.

For the record, I support both marriage and abortion rights.

Hope some unemployed person has a kool-aid stand set up, should be a big seller, maybe some tea too!

This event was sponsered by FOX=Full Of Xcrement

There were rallys. They just didnt get air time. in NY the anti war rally-which was huge!- got a page 24 blurb.

Kobold is right! All broadcast media is corporate owned and, for the most part, supportive of the pro-corporate slant of the present Republican party. R's like to say they are conservative, but in fact, they haven't really been conservative since before Reagan. Now they're all about debilitating the government with wasteful spending and stifling regulation of big business while they are in power, and then racing back to 'fiscal conservatism' only after someone else is elected to clean up the mess they've made. If only people could be less gullible and/or media had more responsibility for telling the truth.

So, the fact that there were rallies against Bush sort of disproves your implied hypothesis, doesn't it countrycrock? Thanks to your liberal friends for setting the record straight!

it's not about proving my hypothesis. All am saying is that we need to stop yellin saying Obama's no good, we need to stand up for our country and support it. The problem with most of you people is you complain a lot but come election time you don't vote for the right person. Next time instead of complaining maybe you should stop and vote for the right person for the job.

I did support our president until I realized that he was making policies that were hurting our country. I will support our country over any individual president. I think the hundreds of thousands of people that showed up today WERE supporting our country - that was the point!

And there it is again. Mickey, who accuses Liberals of "being full of hate" and "having a sense of being superior" wants all dialog to end with Liberals since they "hate America." Tell me Mickey, are you aware that the Founders were Liberal, that nothing that they did was from a Conservative view, and that the course they charted for this country was their putting into action Aristotle's question "Can Free men rule free men?" It was the most revolutionary idea of its time, nothing Conservative about it. These were men (and women) willing to put it all on the line and die in the effort of making a new country ruled by common man. So, when you say "Liberals hate America," do you include the Founders in that statement? And are you able to re read what you wrote and suss out the arrogance of your own writing?

blah blah blah

Get over your tired, old, misguided, racists arguments! They are not even relevent to what this rally was about. Oh, and is MLK's neice a racist? because she showed up. In fact, Glenn Beck even had her on his show, as well as devoting entire episodes to the contribution black people made to the founding of our country. He has highlighted the honor of historical black people in our country on his shows. That doesn't sound like racism to me, but your comment does.

You talk about cursing people you don't agree with, then call someone a "teabagger". You sir are a hypocrite.

You called yourselves teabaggers, it's not going to go away. Get used to it. And always remember...

9/11 was an inside job................brought to you by Cheney and company.

It was not the tea party that started the teaparty members " teabaggers ". The first time I heard it was on new vine from an @!$%# liberal doing what they do best yelling and screaming.

What has the first time you heard it got to do with much of anything?

Do you not remember the sign in D.C. saying "Tea bag the dems before they tea bag you."?

The woman was wearing a hat with tea bags dangling off of the wide brim.

Get a clue.

Paul, if some of these posts don't make you worry about this country, nothing will.

newdayDawning

I have been worried about this country, and where it was headed, for as long as I can remember. JFK, MLK, RFK, all bear re-examination in light of what the elite of the world are willing to hire people to do to this beacon of freedom and man's best hope of a country.

How's the new puppy doing? Staying out from under horse and hoof I hope.

It is truly worrisome, Paul, and unless both sides sit down and do some serious talking and less posturing, I simply don't know if it is fixable. Pup is great! Se is a bit puzzled about my horse, who is doing her level best to make friends.

I personally can't wait to hear what Glenn Beck and Sarah receive to put in their already rich pockets for their work at this 100% charitable Christian event that they care so much about. If they were really honest caring Christian people then they should accept $0 and all the money after the event site and construction expenses should go to the service men and women. But, I doubt that will happen as they are both about the money, fame and power nothing more.

"I have been worried about this country, and where it was headed, for as long as I can remember. JFK, MLK, RFK, all bear re-examination"

What about Lincoln, Garfield (not the cartoon cat!!) and McKinley??

What worries me about the country is that KOOKS like you exist. Makes me glad to have the 12 guage in the closet in case you ever show up on my doorstep.

Joe

Why are you so afraid of any investigations?

You can re-examine Garfield, McKinley, and Lincoln's assassinations all you want. I wouldn't call you a kook for doing so.

I have no need to show up on your doorstep. And , fair warning, if I wanted you gone your twelve guage wouldn't, couldn't and won't, help you. Mind your manners. Know your place. Watch your mouth.

I am so glad someone touched on that. For years I always thought, if anyone interested in unbiased news should watch PBS. Lately I see that they have changed drastically. They never show anything no matter if it has been shown all over the world on international channels if it is not good for Israel. They should show everything regardless of who is involved. That was the way PBS used to be, but not anymore. It is really sad. I should say something about Beck. He is a proven lier. Just watch the clip on the day he came on THE VIEW. I loved it when Whoopi Goldberg called him on the lie he had passed on about being called to join The View group at a restaurant. And when he tried to laugh it off Whoopi said to him "you are sitting on a pile of craps, and you were lying" He admitted to it.

I find it interesting that you people have definitions for "true" Americans as if the rest of us are ALL "illegal immigrants or something. I claim my "trueness" based on the fact that we have traced our ancestry back to 1738, much longer residency in this Country than probably most of the decendents of immigrants that attended that rally today, in MY COUNTRY. Here's a message for you Government haters, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY. GO BACK TO WHERE YOUR FREE LOADING ANCESTORS CAME FROM IN THE EARLY 1900s. That probably covers more than 90% of Rally attendees there. Please go back to your own countries, if they will take you.

DIANE-----------NOw there was a liberal post for you, request that public Tv's not be tuned to Fox.

Fox goes overboars occasionally, however it all shows up ow Fox.

If an item is detrimental to the dem party, it may or may not show up.

We all know by now, what a libe meansm, when they say, cooperate, it means give my your wages and don't complain about it.

Starfo------- Nah going to stay right here, you don't like it, throw us out.

All of these people do is whine ,but they do not offer any concrete solutions. They speak against the illegals but they oppose legislation that will punish companies that hire them. They bemoan about the deficit, but they still want us to be the word's policeman with a bloated military budget of $663 Billion. They oppose a health care plan but don't mind paying higher taxes/insurance premiums to cover those who don't have insurance. As we would say here in Texas "All hat no Cattle."

Restoring it to what? Restoring it from a bunch of people who think they're entitled to everything and want to put their hands in the pockets of those who have more because they've earned more.

While I don't really care that this fell on the anniversary of MLK's speech (as if we're supposed to collectively STOP and do nothing on this day...), it looks like someone of significant ties to that individual did...HIS NIECE!! Yep--SHE spoke at this very event, you moron. So stop with your ranting about that. Do you condemn Al Sharpton for doing the same, or are you a racist?? (I know the answer...)

BRINGLES----- Right on, the libs want us to pay and shut up, just pay hand it over the parasites need more and more.

Every demicratuic party bill is predictaeed on stealing money from the people that earned it and using it for their own ends, or handing it to a third party.

Talk all you like libs, at the end of the day, you support a party, that steals money from the people that earned it and fund entitlements.

Sorry, we know all we need to know, about you.

Some are racist, but most of them, are just simple-minded.

Mary, this makes you one of the ignroant masses that follow this goose-stepping fanatic. Hope you look good in a brown shirt.

RACIST------------- Oh good iy has been 2 or 3 posts since some erbo used racist.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

And since the democrats took over Congress in 2007 and the WH in 2009, because of simple minded folks like you, the economy has went to hell in a hand basket. Over 1 trillion in stimulus money and few jobs created, unemployment over 9.5% (actually about 17%, if properly counted), home sales still in the crapper, unwanted HCR, & financial reform bill. But want did you expect from Obama and his crowd that have never held a job, other than government, and have never met a payroll.

sfcret............ SURELY you dont mean to imply that this is a DEM depression! This is and always WILL BE a bush/gop depression. It started well before 2007 and the bush administration KNEW the bubble was bursting! Hell, he even forbade his staff from briefing Congress as to what was REALLY going on!! It's shocking how the party of personal responsibility REFUSES to take responsibility for what they've dont! YOU broke it and NOW you're trying to STOP Pres. Obama from fixing it!!

BTW....... MOST of the debt we have, over 75%, was run up under reagan/bush/bush.-----------DELIBERATELY! They risked the entire financial system of the Unitred States in order to cut and eliminate SS, medicare etc! They came VERY closed to destroying the US as we know it! What treachery!!!

The recession started in December, 2007, just in case you were asleep. Bush did nothing for almost a year to fix it, and then proposed the initial $800 billion bailout because even HE finally began to get it. Unfortunately, the Democrats haven't had enough votes in the Senate to overcome the politics being played there, so insufficient corrective action has happened. Although the economy is getting better, NO credit can be knuckle-dragging Republicans, who, like the teabaggers, would rather see the country go to hell than admit they've ever been wrong about anything. What we need is more Democratic senators.

Here you go sfcret, read about the CATO institute's (extremely conservative think tank) assessment of the GOP/Bush deficit. Just read it. http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2010/01/cato_dont_blame_1.htm

Now here is a graph showing why we have a deficit: http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4c28e8027f8b9ad402570000/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-june-2010.gif (don't forget TARP--the bank bailout--was proposed and signed into law by George Bush)

And here is the impact of the economic stimulus according to the non-partisan CBO... millions of jobs created and up to 1.5% less unemployment because of it. If anything, the stimulus was not big enough. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-25/obama-s-economic-stimulus-program-created-up-to-3-3-million-jobs-cbo-says.html

It appears that you people can't think for yourselves. CBO, is suppose to be non-partisan, can only score the numbers they are given by congress. CBO has never said that the stimulus created millions of jobs and kept unemployment up to l.5% less. Only people looking for government handouts would say that the stimulus was not big enough. Remember the stimulus bill was created by Obama and the democrats in congress with the promise that 3 million jobs would be created, and the unemployment rate would stay at or below 8%.

As for TARP, I agree President Bush signed it and even asked for it, but it was a democratic controlled congress that wrote it and passed it, and further Obama, and Biden voted for it. (TARP was truly a bi-partisan bill, unlike the stimulus bill.) Also remember it was Obama who asked Bush to leave half of the TARP funds (350 billion) so he could use it. Just look around and then tell me Obama's policies are working for the American people. Last week unemployment went up, deficit keeps going up, stimulus money being wasted on pork barrel projects. The liberal Obama supporters can only blame Bush because they have no record to stand on. (Remember congress has been controlled by democrats since 2007.) It is congress, not the president, that controls expenditures, writes bills, and makes the law, the president can only sign or veto a bill, remember the president does not have a line item veto.

Further remember the democrats controlled the senate with a filibuster proof majority (60 members) and the house by a large margin, thereby making it possible for Obama and the democrats to pass anything they wanted to. The unemployment went up on Obama's watch, deficits skyrocketed on Obama's watch and Obama has been president for 19 months, so this is now Obama's economy, not Bush's.

Jabber, the Dems did have the votes but lacked the organization to get the "job" done.

As far as the economy getting better, what country are you in?

Here in the U.S. we're getting ready to double dip.

What do you mean the CBO never said it created millions of jobs? The link I gave you says explicitly that the CBO says it created 3.3 million jobs ...

But let me ask you a different way then: If stimulating the economy by investing in infrastructure, construction, energy, keeping teachers employed, etc, somehow created no jobs as you're trying to argue (how is that even possible?), then what is the conservative solution to creating jobs right now? Let me guess: cutting taxes! (solves everything). Well, Obama has cut taxes on 95% of Americans already (tax cuts made up a huge portion of the stimulus bill), Americans are currently, since Obama took office, paying the FEWEST federal taxes EVER for the past 65 years. Obama and the Democrats have also proposed, ON TOP OF THAT, a further Small Business Bill (you can google it) to cut taxes on small businesses which has been held up in the Senate by REPUBLICANS over the threat of filibuster... they won't even allow a simple majority vote on it.

So please, please tell us what the Republican solution to fixing the disaster they have put us in is. Thanks in advance.

BTW....... MOST of the debt we have, over 75%, was run up under reagan/bush/bush.-----------DELIBERATELY! They risked the entire financial system of the Unitred States in order to cut and eliminate SS, medicare etc! They came VERY closed to destroying the US as we know it! What treachery!!!

Tom in NH - what have you been smoking?

During the Bush years, despite the 2000 Recession, the attacks on 9-11, the stock market scandals, Hurricane Katrina, and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Bush Administration was able to reduce the budget deficit from 412 billion dollars in 2004 to 162 billion dollars in 2007, a sixty percent drop.

In 2004 the federal budget deficit was 412 billion dollars. In 2005 it dropped to 318 billion dollars. In 2006 the deficit dipped to 248 billion dollars. And, in 2007 it fell below 200 billion to 162 billion dollars. During the Bush years the average unemployment rate was 5.2 percent, the economy saw the strongest productivity growth in four decades and there was robust GDP growth.

After an unheard of record deficit last year of $1.4 Trillion the economy is on track to experience a $1.47 Trillion deficit this year.

What went wrong? Democrats took control of Congress in 2007 and a Democrat took over the Presidency in 2009 which means there are no checks and balances, no fiscal sanity and nothing but economic misery for American taxpayers.

Reducing the size of the annual deficit still adds to the total deficit, dunce. Bush created debt, "off book" through emergency supplementals; still deficit spending, but not part of the budget deficit. Your argument is typical rightwingnut talking point. You lie about everything so often that you can't perceive of a world where everyone doesn't do the same. It has become a pathology with you RE-peat-the-lie-to-the-PUBLIC-ans.

Sorry Chicago Skeptic, you are flat out trying to create your own history. You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. First of all, Bush and Republicans controlling both houses of Congress took over in 2000 with a record budget surplus. 2001 was still Fiscal Year 2000 (Clinton), so that was still a Clinton surplus. Starting in 2002, Bush started to run an enormous budget deficit by ramming through an enormous (and completely unaffordable) tax cut for the wealthiest Americans. So every single fiscal year of the Bush Administration ran a huge deficit, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 (fiscal year 2009 was still Bush).

The "unheard of" $1.4 trillion record deficit of last year that you mention was 100% George Bush and the GOP, it was the tax cut for the wealthiest coming home to roost combined with a huge collapse in tax revenue from an unprecedented recession, the TARP bank bailout (also Bush) and finally adding the cost of the Afghanistan and invented Iraq War. The $1.4 trillion CBO projection of the 2009 deficit was made in Oct 2008, before Obama had even won the election. Fox News has made it a constant false narrative to blame the deficit on Obama's spending, when it IN FACT is not AT ALL related to the minor (and necessary) stimulus spending to keep the economy from collapsing that occurred under Obama's watch.

But please don't take my word for it, read from the CATO institute (ultra-conservative think tank) at this link: http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2010/01/cato_dont_blame_1.htm

Here is a graph that clearly shows the current deficit: http://www.goiam.org/images/articles/imail/latest-imail/July-2010/07_27_2010_deficit_graph.jpg

K.

Let me quote it for you so you can't avoid it by not clicking:

"Listening to a talk radio program yesterday, the host asserted that Obama tripled the budget deficit in his first year. This assertion is understandable, since the deficit jumped from about $450 billion in 2008 to $1.4 trillion in 2009. As this chart illustrates, with the Bush years in green, it appears as if Obama’s policies have led to an explosion of debt.

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. . . But there is one rather important detail that makes a big difference. The chart is based on the assumption that the current administration should be blamed for the 2009 fiscal year. While this makes sense to a casual observer, it is largely untrue. The 2009 fiscal year began October 1, 2008, nearly four months before Obama took office. The budget for the entire fiscal year was largely set in place while Bush was in the White House.

What about the so-called stimulus, they will ask, with its $787 billion price tag? Or the omnibus fiscal-year 2009 appropriations bill? And how about Cash for Clunkers and Obama's expansion of the children's health insurance program? Didn't these all boost spending in 2009?

The answer is yes. But these boondoggles amounted to just a tiny percentage of FY2009 spending — about $140 billion out of a $3.5 trillion budget — as the pie chart nearby illustrates."

Whenever I hear about "Clinton's" budget surplus I have to laugh.

If you have a budget surplus, you still don't have a balanced budget, you are overtaxing.

Example. You get money back at the end of the year, you have paid to much in taxes.

Regardless of what anybody tells you, this is not a good thing.

This is money the government has had of yours that you could have been collecting interest on.

If you have to pay then you haven't paid enough during the year, also not good.

A government budget surplus in this day and age is mismanagement of funds.

It's akin to saying you have a hundred bucks cash in your pocket but carry ten thousand in debt on a credit card.

The money wasn't used to pay down the debt like it should have, it was spent.

The government needs to tighten their collective belts if they are going to ask us to.

Neither party is willing. Anybody else up for the job?

Post #16 deserves a standing ovation. Props to Jabber.

Here we go again with the Liberals rewriting history. The economy started into the tank the day the Democrats took over Congress during the last two years of the Bush administration. Led by Kennedy and his cohorts they managed to bring the nation to it's financial knees by attempting to defund our troops with every bill they passed and sent to President Bush forcing him to use the Veto. Looking at actual history instead of listening to the Propaganda spewed by the left will do something these Progressives fear more than the Republicans. Education!

If you educated yourself instead of following your Marxist/Socialist leadership blindly like sheep you might actually awaken to some real facts, like their plan to trash the Constitution and your rights. Those of us that believe in Conservative values do just that and do a little research beyond the propaganda spewed by either party. When your party spews BS and you don't research the truth then you deserve what you get, like say a radical President that wants to fundamentally change the entire nation into a Socialist society and do it on your dime!

PaPa
Quit making stuff up.
The dems passed no legislation after 2007 which had any significant impact on our economy, while Bush was still President. He vetoed 12 bills and had his veto over-ridden nine or ten times. The troops were never unfunded, you douche bag. The false properity of the Reagan/Clinton/Gingrich era finally caught up to us and crashed. Bush could have spent eight years mitigating the damage to come ahead of its arrival, but that would have taken political and moral courage, something he clearly lacked all his life.

Ok Mr. I'm-so-educated Papa, you offered precisely 0 evidence for anything you said. You didn't respond to any of the points that were raised, and did nothing more than throw insults without backing them up.

1) What precisely did Democrats do to "bring the nation to its [no apostrophe, might need some more education] financial knees" ? The only thing you offer is an attempt to bring an end to a fabricated war by using Congress' Constitutionally-mandated power. How does trying to stop spending money that the country didn't have on a war = bringing the country to its financial knees? Furthermore, and more problematic, it never happened... so how can you even use something that never happened as proof for anything, much less something that has no connection whatsoever to your evidence... but I digress.

2) How is this President radical? No socialist worth their salt could possibly consider Obama leftist at all. In world politics, Obama is considered center-right. The UK's conservative prime minister is more liberal than Barack Obama, as is Germany's Angela Merkel.

a) A "radical" President would have taken over the banks with the bailout money so as force them to repay taxpayers with their exorbitant profits and completely regulate the CEO bonuses and salaries. The major banks that caused this disaster would now be at least 51% majority owned by the government, so taxpayers could have a stake in decision-making and the government could enact serious measures for banks to never step out of line again.

b) A "radical" President wouldn't have settled for a health insurance bill that mandates you to purchase PRIVATE insurance, without even a moderate government-insurance buy-in option. He would have actually socialized medicine--like every other developed country in the world. He did the opposite, he privatized health care even further by providing billions of tax-payer's money straight into the pockets of private insurance companies.

c) A "radical" President wouldn't only end the unaffordable Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, he would tax them until their eyes bleed. The top tax-bracket should be doubled to 70% as it was in pre-Reagan years (also pre-budget deficits and national debt... coincidence?). It would also be nice to put a cap on maximum CEO salaries (ie: they are not allowed to make more than 10x the amount that one of their workers does in a year... anything above that will be taxed 100%)

I could go on and on here. To call Obama radical is laughably ignorant and shows that your level of education isn't what you think it is. I'd love to know where you do your "research" though. You might not know, but in the academic world you have to cite your sources of research. So, spill the beans, where do you get all your awesome knowledge from? I'd love to tap into your secret research skills.

Trolleater:

Thanks for contributing civil, fact based argument here. And for calling out the BS.

Hey John,

that was COMPLETE BS! The US is going to HAVE to generate MANY and LARGE surpluses thru higher taxes and spending cuts in order to address the national debt!! THAT is a FACT! Our national security and quality of life is at stake---unless you're a republicans and care only about reestablishing 2 classes of people--- the rich and the rest--- just as it was during the robber baron era! I KNOW that most middle class republicans have NO IDEA they're being taken for a ride and only the wealthy are going to benefit from their policies! What the gop has done to this country since reagan is nthing less than a clear and present danger to national security and the stability of our country's future!

What's your point? I haven't seen any intelligent argument from the other side to rebut.

Why would either side respond to people that only want to demean and name call. By the way I did not pick out a side/I only picked out words that were used in the different posts. So I am not sure which other side you are speaking of.

I found both sides quite ironic/.I did not choose a side.

Yes , come out a debate us!

Amen, Carla. If you do not agree lock-step with people on this board, you are "against" them, and you WILL be called a racist. It's a very sad illustration of what our country has become. There is no more civil discourse, there is no more respect.

I'm sorry if we offended you by us being able to dish out the same as we are taking. Nice observation?

I was not offended nor did I really see anyone dishing out really that adept at taking it. On the contrary on both sides when that happens someone simply decides it is easier to demean that person or call them a name. Go back and really read some of the comments.

I do not care for Glenn Beck he is simply not my cup of tea. Not really a fan of Al Sharpton either.

I just find the back and forth here simply tiring as no one really seems to want to meet either half way. Dr King knew about meeting people half way and he also knew about grace under pressure. People focus on the I have a dream portion of that speech and what they should really do is go back and read more of the whole speech. Perhaps it would wake many people up.

But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone.

Carla, these are difficult times. Sometimes you have to pick a side. If you choose to stand on the sidelines and say nothing, that's fine. But don't jump in try to play the role of Miss Manners. It doesn't add anything to the discussion.

How sad for you of course I have a side/that has nothing to do with it/I simply choose to be civil.

I'm surprised you believe anything Beck says, since his stock in trade is simply making s**t up. Also, I don't see much mention of race in the thread above your post. Maybe you need to adjust your bifocals. The fact is that many of the tea party fans are supporting ideas that are counter to their own best interests. Many are retired, on Social Security, and gullible. They accepted a free ride on the Freedom Works sponsored bus to D.C. to hear a bunch of self-serving liars tell them how great they are for voting against themselves, and to hear something simple and easy to digest, rather than the truth.

drais63: I love how you conservative zombie tea bagging morons hide behind your god while being completely manipulated and brainwashed by the likes of this jerk Beck and a "movement" created and funded by the billionaire Koch brothers who only care about deregulating everything for more profits and to increase their own wealth at the expense of of these idiots out there today protesting.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

I don't proclaim to know everything but I do understand a lot and do know my countries history. It was my generation that made the changes that got us to where we are now. All the Social changes for the better of man kind alike in this country! It took liberals to do that while the Right sat on their hands and now they want to take their country back? Well, they can't have it back! They drove it to the edge of a cliff and we will stand united with our President to do the best we can and be patient about it because we understand it won't be brought back by a miracle come from a God out of the sky in Washington.

Good? By who's measure? Hard working? That's me. Tax paying? That includes me. God-fearing? I don't fear God. I fear the mentally infirm that can be led around by the nose by people claiming to speak for the cosmic muffin.

WAKE UP! The right-wing extrememists know just how to play you based on the very fears you express. Republican=American Taliban

The election in November will tell you which way the country wants to go. You can have your say at the ballot box. The left and the right have both screwed the pooch, for one to point the finger is laughable.

Well Put, Drais.

Unfortunately, anyone who disagrees with Obama & Company is called names and ridiculed by the supposedly "open-minded" LEFT. What little children! And God help THEIR children - being taught to believe that they, and only they, are entitled to their opinion.

I stand behind all free-thinking Americans who are tired of the two-party con job that's been going on for decades. It's time for a change, all right, and the only ones who have to fear it are those who have a need to control everyone else.

When your opinions are based on provable falsehoods, and yet you refuse to reconsider your position and opinion, it ceases to be an intellectual discussion. Hence, frustration and "name calling".

When I inform you that you are misinformed or ignorant, I am not calling you a name. I am instead telling you that you suffer from a condition which you can cure. When you persist in sighting false statistics after they have been debunked we are entitled to call you disengenuous, when you can't explain in a rational way your opposition to Obama's policies when they are democratically arrived at or differ little from GWB, we call you irrational and likely a racist.

Anyone not making every effort to not appear to be a racist, is probably a racist. Have sensible answers to reasonable questions and you will find that the "name calling" will subside.

Paul - Arrogance is the theme of this administration, and you just got an A+ on your little writing assignment for the O-Team.

The "rational opposition to Obama's policies" is the snake, which just bit you (and all the rest of us, as well). Yes, it's been right in front of your face. The taxpayers of this country cannot continue to fund non-essential services and large wasteful gov't programs. Having worked in state gov't for nearly 30 years, I have seen firsthand the waste in layer upon layer of federal oversight, which has absolutely NO positive outcome and has borken the budgets of states and taxpayers.

Since you are convinced of your superiority to all others, I will not go on to explain, as you are not interested in facts. You are a follower. That is your problem

drais63

Lets talk about why so many bring up race when it comes to Glenn Beck and this rally.

Glenn (the holy one) has told his listeners that if your church teaches or supports "Social Justice" then get out of that church, run away as fast as you can.

Well lets look at the definition of "Social Justice"

It is the fair and proper administration of laws conforming to the natural law that all persons, irrespective of ethnic origin, gender, possessions, race, religion, etc., are to be treated equally and without prejudice.

As a christian I would want my church to teach, support and practice what Glenn Beck tells his followers and flock to run away from as fast as they can.

My lord taught social justice for all, tolerance not intolerance

With these evil kinds of things that Glenn Beck teaches his people how can you expect anybody to not think racialism is not a factor in anything Glenn Beck does or says.

This is just one of the examples where Mr Beck has turned off a lot of people. Never take one persons word for anything research and discover the true facts for yourself especially if you are getting your info from Fox news, I did.

It is curious, isn't it DaShadow, that anyone who claims to follow Christ can tell people to run away from social justice. That is what Christ preached.

It's just a darn dirty shame that Carrie Dann only printed comments that made the people at the rally sound like illiterate nuts.

And you are calling Liberals wackos LoL

To portray them as only white and uneducated and Republican is just showing bias toward them.

Well I don't see too many black people at the event...maybe one or two in the snapshots I looked over. I also don't know too many democrats or independents (REAL independents) who support Tears (Beck). But I have noticed a lot of republicans are too ashamed to admit it after the Bush disaster so they call themselves independents.

The 'majority' of which you speak certainly hasn't been silent, and in fact has been treated to a free megaphone by the corportate media to amplify its voice far beyond the actual numbers it represents. As for the demographics of the tea partiers, let the facts speak for themselves. Photos and videos can be staged and faked, but for the most part, the tea party events are almost pure white, loud, disrespectful, and made up of self serving liars and their gullible minions.

Not heard much about this, but did hear that one of MLK's family spoke at Beck's event. Who spoke at Sharptan's event? What I see here are a lot of folks who had their mind made up before this thing even occured. And I see that same division all across this country. I find that scary. I doubt their has been this much discord since at least the height of the Civil Rights movement, and maybe all the way back to the Civil War. That is not a road we need take again.

View from the Plains, I think MLK III spoke at the Sharpton rally. The King that spoke at Beck's rally was a fundamentalist homophobic cousin.

Michele- I can understand why you believe religion is evil. I would feel the same way as you if i had attended church services for 20 years where you did. BTW, how was your vacation in Spain?

Midterm2010
Did you ever listen to whole 2 sermons that the Republican sound bites came from. I bet you did not and are too closed minded to ever take the time to do so. You are closed minded and only blindly follow what some Biased news station feeds you. If you listened to them in their entirety, you might see how false and misleading those sound bites were.